Girls see guys on a scale of 0 - 1

newName543456 · 2017-04-17T19:07:14+00:00

IMO it's more of a ternary -1, 0, 1 scale

1 is lover

0 is provider

-1 is invisible/creep

forreal8619 · 2017-04-17T19:28:19+00:00

If you are a 1 to them they will love your hobbies, make time for you, be excited and giggle with you, probably have sex with you pretty easily. The difference in how you get treated is night and day.

women don't think funny men are sexy. women think sexy men are funny.

fullyopen · 2017-04-17T20:30:15+00:00

I don't agree about money. There's a difference between good money and fuck you money.

With a low six figure income and all the other accoutrements, women will get a decent life. If you're making seven figures, women know they can get ALMOST anything they want and now don't care if you're fat. If you live an exciting life that screams "I'm loaded" they will come.

If you make an eight figure income and women realize they can live in your yacht for the rest of their life without lifting a finger, you could be morbidly obese they will not care.

What you think is good money and what a woman thinks is good money are two different things. The real question is what life can a woman have on just your income. If it isn't all glamour but rather comfort, then you can't be a fat loser. She can get a job herself and find a hot fun and exciting dude for the tingles.

So you say you drive a BMW and worked on making money. Are you relatively rich or fuck your rich? If the former, you're damn right you gotta fix yourself.

But, i sincerely hope you're also fixing yourself to be the best version of yourself. Those who do it for "the women" are the type who will get stuck on some princess and have never really learned anything. They fall hard. Be the best version of you.

OmegaMan2 · 2017-04-17T20:36:29+00:00

The best advice I can give you is to lift as if your life depended on it.

There are a great many other threads on this sub which will tell you the same thing.

From my own personal experience, it is true. I was an incel for my entire 20s. Believe me that hurt knowing that not a single lady would give you the time of day.

I started lifting, dressing better and bought a Corvette. I started getting dates and the "pièce de résistance" was when one young lady said that she absolutely loved watching my muscles as we fucked.

Hit the gym and hit it hard. The rewards in not only physique but in self confidence will be like nothing you've ever experienced.

Good Luck brother, and don't give up.

edit: as others on this thread intimate, there is more to getting a girl, but lifting and the confidence is gives you will provide you with an enormous advantage.

BigRedJuan · 2017-04-18T04:53:10+00:00

It's true that that women are much harsher than men when it comes to evaluating looks. OK Cupid has some intetesting research on this.

However, let me give you some hope. A lot of hope actually.

Like you, I spent a lot of time at the gym with no results in the women department. I had an excellent job and all my clothes were custom tailored Jos A Banks. Zero fucks given by women.

Around 2010 I lost just about everything. Which turned out to be amazing. I started reading some PUA articles and began to focus on my body language and attitude. And things started changing.

Currently, I have a rather menial dirty job in a very low income bracket. More women approach and flirt with me than EVER. The women I date are WAY over my head. How do I do it? Pure confidence.

When you are knocked down and everything is taken from you; and then you get back up, brush yourself off and say "Is that the best you got?" - that attitude is palpable.

Seal, Mick Jagger and Billy Joel and Lyle Lovett are all uglier than sin dipped in shit; yet, are married to supermodels and actresses. Yeah, they are rich - but they are confident too.

You say you are depressed. Women can smell that a mile away. See a psychologist/psychiatrist and get some medication. Until then, you need to "fake it until you make it". Really, confidence is a feedback system. Watch your posture, walk slower, move more gracefully, take up more space, act as if you own wherever you are and are amused by your surroundings. When you look at men, think "I can kill you" and when you look at women, think "I could fuck you." Stare everybody down. Talk slower and lower. Do that for three months and you will notice a difference. After a year, it will be natural.

Good luck my brother!

lukky_pierre · 2017-04-17T21:02:39+00:00

Oh I don't know, OP. I used to be big into PU, and I got pretty good at it. Let me use me as an example.

Physically, I'm nothing special. In fact, on paper, I'm unattractive: short, skinny and losing my hair. Because of this, I was never successful in bars and clubs. I held no value in environments where value was predicated on looks.

However, I also taught ESL classes in NYC at that time. Put me up in front of a room and let me run my smooth-talking mouth, and suddenly BAM! I had women throwing themselves at me. I had Italian beauties and Japanese rich girls inviting me out for drinks and fucking me discreetly.

Those are the extreme ends of my spectrum: zilch in bars and clubs, abondanza when I was the front man in my own little ESL rock show.

If we're talking average, I do ok in environments like parks on a nice day. I do well on vacations in foreign countries when chatting up strangers is more usual. In terms of physical fitness, I found that women have a much stronger response to fashion than they do to musculature - in other words, my meager physical gains got me way less attention than learning how to dress, which got me a significant boost in female attention.

What I'm saying is, in my experience the ol' PU precept that feminine attraction is more complex than male attraction has absolutely held true.

A wise PUA once said: it only takes one hook to catch a fish. For some guys, that hook happens to be looks. Which, let's not kid ourselves, is a pretty great hook to have in the water. It's probably the second-best hook (after social proof - if you're ugly and broke but famous, you'll still get laid). But it's not the only hook. Thank fucking god.

Askada · 2017-04-17T19:52:59+00:00

Look, your goal is a good starting point, but don't be blinded by the fact that your physical attractiveness is everything.

Girls will look at the best deal and it includes your facial and body attractiveness ( and it's not the same for every woman ), your body language, self-esteem, humor, social status, how alpha are you, are you more extrovert or more introvert, your lifestyle and yes to some extend (IMO not very much) even your monetary success.

And this comes from somebody who's competing in bodybuilding (men's physique) for nearly 4 years now.

And it's not really 0 to 1. It's more like 0 to 100. That's why there is a thing called branch swinging. Even if you're in the top 20%, if she can get a better deal, she will take it. She's just climbing that tree and wants to get as high as possible before she hits the wall.

Good luck!

50339 · 2017-04-17T20:47:14+00:00

No one will ever like you for who you are. Or any of us for that matter. Because the world only wants from you what you can offer it. Don't hold women to a higher standard than you do your co workers, boss, or the turd who cut you off in traffic this morning.

fuckeduphomebody · 2017-04-17T20:12:08+00:00

You are right. At first, you are a 1 or a 0. After that, if you are a one you will be seen on scale of 0 to 100 as itsjustsimon said.

G4RRETT · 2017-04-17T19:36:54+00:00

The same basically applies to men. You should not be surprised that women want attractive partners, especially attractive women. I realized this at 15 and that's when I started lifting weights (11 years ago). Do men want to sleep with/date unattractive women? No. same applies for females.

Vilna_Gaon · 2017-04-18T01:32:31+00:00

Outside of a few cities (like New York), it's fucking brutal out there for men. We are working out, getting in the best shape ever, making ourselves interesting, earning lots of money, for what? Just to be in a sea of other men just like us. Women make their own money now, they don't need us. We've taken ourselves to the extreme just to be rejected by 4,5,6,7,8, and 9s. We are lucky to even have a woman text us back. All while a woman has dozen of men after them at any given time... shit, hundreds if they want. We are in bad times brothers.

To become a "1" in the eyes of a woman, to even have a chance with her, is becoming more difficult. Partly because there are more men now than ever, partly because apps made it easier for women, and various other reasons. I see that men are going to be more and more unhappy in the future. Women are fine living without a man. But it'll drive men crazy to not fuck.

Merwebb · 2017-04-18T00:51:29+00:00

No. You are looking at it the wrong way. Women can't look things in binary, they follow their emotions. And to get her into bed, you gotta take them on a roller coaster of emotions...you know, push-pull.

justgotalpha · 2017-04-17T20:46:03+00:00

I know what you mean,you dont have to be male model status to fuck women but yes she needs to find you attractive.i went from below average to above average looking,its all in grooming,working out,dieting and finding a haircut that suits your face and good fashion style..i went from considering plastic surgery to damnn i look good!!! Alot of guys might think they are ugly until they go through a strict routine of grooming and doing all the things i mentioned above

BravoF1 · 2017-04-17T23:48:13+00:00

" I'm still struggling with depression and anger after working my whole life to be semi successful monetary wise .... " -OP

Women can smell depression and desperation in you. Don't try to get pumped in the gym without dealing with that inner weakness of sadness. Don't see that crap as a strength of your emotional side. Be highly positive and full of lifting words. Let your comments be warm and yet scarse do women. Don't saturate them with flattery because then you'll be part of the bunch who try to drop panties. Your objective (abstractly speaking) is to show them that your door is open and if they walk in, you will take care of them emotionally and sexually. Resist as much as you can from speaking out desperately.

Texting- Don't SPAM. This means sending 4 messages just to say a casual goodnight. Don't be desperate man... This also means don't send her a " good morning my sour skittle! " first thing in the morning ( unless she does it first ). Leave the door open for her ass to make a move. You'd be SUPRISED how unafraid women are to text a man. You will probably get that whole " i didn't wanna bother you._. " thing. That might be the most friendly friend zone ever, or it might mean just that. You'll have to figure her out and see if she really is shy or just being retarded. If she likes you and is just shy, you won't have a hard time communicating.

Golden Rule: Be Different. Don't dress like the typical "alpha" guy. Ever wonder why women (american women) love foreigners? Because they're different! They speak different things, dress differently, act differently, and the girls get a sense of adventure from this.

If you're just an average joe with an ectomorph ( slender man ) body. You can still make it happen. There are tons of average and below average girl who hides the ugliness with make up. That means you can hide your average self, not by being a make up guy... DRESS NICE.

I don't want to type anymore srsly....bye

OPWills · 2017-04-17T19:22:39+00:00

So you perceive your unattractiveness is primarily a weight problem? Just looking for clarification.

ThrowFader · 2017-04-17T19:09:56+00:00

Keep at it and good luck bro

Mechanik_J · 2017-04-18T12:19:06+00:00

Don't become a better person for other people. Become a better person for yourself. As you said it, working hard and making money didn't bring you any closer to having sex with women. And working hard to become physically attractive could possibly make it easier to have sex with women (and give you an ego/confidence boost) But having sex with lots of women won't bring you happiness either. No other person will "complete you" (if being completed by another person even existed.) until your happy and satisfied with yourself. Make decisions that make life worthwhile for you.

Futdashukup · 2017-04-17T21:04:02+00:00

Power? Its an aphrodisiac, dontcha know.

Questionnaire7 · 2017-04-17T21:22:16+00:00

This is not true. Unless .25, .3, .4, .5, etc are on the scale. In my last math class I sat next to a hot ass chick. She gave me a lot of IOIs initially ended up rejecting me and getting very offended the time she asked me to do the Lab Assignment with her and I said we should do it at my house (did not see me as a sexual option). Yet she was very receptive to everything else about me. Compare me with the dweeb dude that sat infront of us, he would have been a 0. There was one day he said something to her, she had a look of digest and did not respond. Then I essentially repeated the same line with my own twist and she was laughing and smiling. So yes there is some logic to this but it is not night and day.

To girls you are invisible or visible, but there are a lot of visible guys they are going to turn down. Plus no matter how attractive you become there will always be some girls that dont want you. No matter what.

Forcetobereckonedwit · 2017-04-18T05:28:49+00:00

Kudos on the new food habits! Before long you'll forget why you even liked that crap. The healthier youeat/exercise, the better you feel and less you crave sugar/fat/salt. Also, keep at the gym/yoga/MMA, whatever floats your boat...just do SOMETHING physical.

It's funny, women complain endlessly that we only like them if they're hot. You're complaining that they don't want you unless you're hot...the difference is YOU CAN BECOME HOT in girl terms. Solid lifestyle, shrp dress-er, physically fit, well groomed, funny, confident. These are the things that women consider hot and they are all things you can create. Sure, they also crave tall guys (%^{&^{#$%^%$#,}} I'm not tall) but aside from that and racial preferences, we as men can change ourselves to become desirable to women. They have a 20 year window of sexual attractivity IF they keep themselves in shape and dress to invite. We just get better and better.

You're on the right track, just keep at it.

Afrotoast42 · 2017-04-18T05:56:24+00:00

It's because women are shopping for what they want their future children to look like. Trust me. I've dated about 35 chicks in my lifetime. The ones who want you, DIG IN HARD and turn psycho when you leave them, often dipping into sociopathy for a while. The ones who only want a shag will stick around until they begin to contemplate their future, and then will dump you to find someone that matches what they want their babes to look like. My last ex was one of these. Ended things suddenly after 6 months when a red-headed neckbeard took interest in her(he was my coworker). things ended between them fast, and then she went off the deep end hard, swore off all men, and went pseudo lesbian for a while, continued to spiral down, gained about 30 pounds, and is now an owner of 2 squirrels, 2 cats, a rabbit, and a husky. She asked months ago why i stopped being friends with her, and I replied that friends don't treat each other like tools. never messaged me back again.

Cheeesetoasties · 2017-04-18T05:58:12+00:00

Good work on the self improvement, I've been doing the same myself. Just remember to do it for you and not some other person. I made that mistake and my motivation wavered.

FamineX · 2017-04-18T10:57:32+00:00

Don't be bitter. I'm on my journey from almost 300 lbs to 200 (6"3 with the broad build). You will notice changes in behavior every 30 lbs or so. With this often comes a lifestyle change that will also brighten you up - picking up MMA classes or anything similar will help. Regardless of your success, you need to drop that anger and depression bullshit. Would you date a landwhale? Probably not, so why do you expect beautiful women to like fat motherfuckers? If I want to bed fit women, I better be fit myself.

VickVaseline · 2017-04-18T16:42:18+00:00

You must be pretty muscular to be 5'9", 190lbs, and not be a lot more than 20% BF.

Good on you, though. Brown rice saved my life.

[deleted] · 2017-04-19T03:49:17+00:00

"It doesnt matter if she looks like shrek or she looks like arianny celeste, if she doesnt find you attractive she won't settle, she will move the fuck on."

What I only recently truly accepted is that libido is not tied to a person's external looks.

A fat girl is not attracted to a fat guy she can lock down. She is simply settling for him. Let's say a girl starts at 120 lbs and then she gains 5 lbs per month. What she finds attractive does not change after 2 years when she weighs over 200 lbs. She might marry a fat guy, but won't ever be into him.

nicetimeisback · 2017-04-17T23:03:26+00:00

if you have money, fuck prostitutes.

case closed

resonancebyhome · 2017-04-18T11:02:17+00:00

A lot of these post scream projection to me. Im betting you 100% see women as 1-0 women are people like you and me. there are shitty women and shitty men. some women are looking for a provider/wallet some men are looking for a warm hole/trophy if you see women as objects to be used don't be surprise you end up with women who see men as objects to be used. the world is not as simple as TRP tries to make it out to be. Expecailly any relationships with people. I bet the majority of the people on this subreddit are individually not as extreme as TRP Group polarization is a major problem with any internet community, but the smaller and more specific the community is the more polarized it becomes.

Wolveryn · 2017-04-18T04:55:44+00:00

True, a girl knows whether she wants to fuck a guy in a moments glance. (So do men with women btw).

But there are cheats and advantages available (Which Women know about and exploit everyday btw).

And really it comes down to common sense, if you want to be the guy a women glances at and decides she needs to fuck you. Dress for the part.

Build muscle to your absolute natural maximum.
Dress like your favourite role models, dress for what you want to be.
Enjoy life! Enjoy life regardless of your disposition with women, learn to play 'the game'. Its a game for a reason.

[deleted] · 2017-04-18T00:52:25+00:00

Monetary wise = monitarily

valjean913 · 2017-04-18T05:10:43+00:00

Do the Atkins diet. I'm almost same body composition as you. 5'9", was 185 in February. I'm down to 165 and honestly it was a fairly easy diet. It's all fat loss too, I've lost 4" around my belly button. First time in my life I've dieted, and, like I said, it hasn't been hard at all. If you need to know where to get started send me a pm and I'll tell you what I've done recipe wise.

Landry86 · 2017-04-17T20:09:25+00:00

True true true!!!!! You're either attractive or you're not.

And did you know we actually see females the same way? This is why we giggle when we find out y'all slept with a "butterface" "5" because we just see her as a zero! :)

sunbro29 · 2017-04-17T21:20:43+00:00

Yeah, I agree. I don't see this as a bad thing, though, as long as the man knows what he is to a particular girl. If you know you're a zero, fantastic, you don't have to waste another second with her. And if you're a one get ready to clap that ass.

kidwithambition · 2017-04-17T21:38:38+00:00

Life is binary, you are either a 1 or a 0.

Pretty much can go for anything, in this case a woman knows if she'll fuck you in the first couple minutes knowing you. 1 or 0, its that simple.

SteveLonegan · 2017-04-17T22:03:05+00:00

Its definitely easier when they have an immediate physical attraction but its not as cut and dry as a 0-1 scale

no_face · 2017-04-17T22:05:49+00:00

If any of you think just race is a limiting factor, take a look at her Indian boyfriend

bolupua · 2017-04-17T23:48:38+00:00

I don't think it's that simple

Many many many girls will give their number, text you, go on dates with you, and never fuck you because you were a 0.5 and you fucked up and became a 0.

BlueBlus · 2017-04-17T23:52:55+00:00

Do you mind posting a body pic? I'm same stats as you and am curious what I should look like at that weight since.

hufflesnuff · 2017-04-18T00:10:35+00:00

For fucks sake red pill make up your mind. Do women only fuck you if you have money or according to this won't fuck even if you have money ? Oh and guess what men have a 0 or 1 standard too. Would you fuck a 4 and not a 3? Then your 0-1 standard is just lower than others.

Snazzy_Serval · 2017-04-18T01:53:04+00:00

Good luck with losing that body fat. Don't be disappointed if you don't hit your goal in 90 days.

I started at 5'5, 148.5 lbs @ 28.6% body fat. One year later I'm 142 @ 26%. I've been working out 3-4 days every week and trying to eat better.

This shit is not easy.

slhouston · 2017-04-18T03:20:25+00:00

She's just not that into you. Works with men and women

Merwebb · 2017-04-18T04:49:09+00:00

Dude i think women can like you for who you are if you are confident on it. You said it yourself, is NOT the money, and ive seen also that is NOT the physique too.

When i feel confident i at least k close. When im not, even the easier stuff with the most available women are impossible. Just like that.

Working out makes us confident. Attaining goals makes us confident.

Keep going.

maniclurker · 2017-04-18T05:28:37+00:00

The problem I have with accepting stuff like this, is how often I see legitimately ugly motherfuckers with decent looking girls.

If statements like this were true, then ugly people wouldn't even exist. Their ugly-assed genes wouldn't propagate. The world would be full of super-attractive people.

StinkyDogFarts · 2017-04-18T08:34:20+00:00

86 the feels. Stick to your plan. Keeping working. Keep striving. Focus on the career. In 8 years you will look on this and have a laugh with the sexy lady you are dating who is your age right now. Make yourself a better person and surround yourself with better people.

circlhat · 2017-04-18T09:44:07+00:00

Honestly I see guys who are fat, out of shape, old ugly men, score hot women, in fact these are your typical actually bad boys, not the bad boys who just have attitude, but rather bad boys who beat women, cheat on them constantly, and don't give a fuck.

Remember game > than all, any attempt to improve yourself that revolves around women is blue pill, which is acceptable to women because of course they believe they deserve the best.

However, i understand and am trying my hardest to change.

Change because you love yourself, not so you will love yourself ,it is a treadmill of self hated that will never go away.

SlothOnRoids · 2017-04-18T13:25:35+00:00

Low body fat is king. The difference when I'm single digits vs teens is pretty drastic when it comes to the way my face looks. Been bulking and now it's time to cut up. Good luck on your quest to get lean.

chaosrunssociety · 2017-04-18T18:06:21+00:00

Your scale doesn't express what they actually think of you, just whether or not they're going to fuck you. While it's an okay mental model in environments where you'd try to fuck women, everything eventually simplifies down to yes or no anyway, so I don't see what's so insightful about your post.

Anyway, I'm sick of these simplistic misogynist posts. There really is a difference between understanding someone different from yourself so you can better interact with them and oversimplifying who they are in an attempt to more easily objectify them.

Kommanderdude · 2017-04-18T19:54:42+00:00

As guy who has consistently dated women that make 40 to 70k more than him. I can say this is true. It's not about the size of your wallet. I currently know a lawyer that can't get laid for the life of him. He's short, weird and non dominant acting. All he talks about is his career on dates and doesn't understand why women don't want to date him.. then there is bearded blue collar me who consistently slays hb6-9 doctor and lawyer pussy. Current ltr is a lawyer. Hb7 if I'm being honest. We click so I can live with the fact she's not the hottest woman I've fucked.

TheManFromV · 2017-04-19T13:46:24+00:00

Sweeping generalizations like this cause a shit ton of drama. Actually, so does this whole sub. Be careful about what you say. And that's not just to this sub. That's to everyone.

TheRedStoic · 2017-04-21T17:18:50+00:00

Wouldn't.

Would.

Want.

That's it. That's all there is to attraction. It's very simple and effective.

trex005 · 2017-04-17T20:20:09+00:00

Cut the brown rice and add fatty meats. Fat satiates and in the absence of carbs does not store.

Carbs = evil

Fat = good

HotStickySemen · 2017-04-17T20:16:19+00:00

I don't really know what you're trying to say.Women want status in a man.Most of the time it doesn't matter that he's 70 pounds overweight.If he is rich then they will have a higher chance of settling with him.Yes,a good physique will make you more attractive,but in the long term women want status.

anon1moos · 2017-04-17T21:15:13+00:00

Being physically attractive helps, but it is very far from the whole story. Acting attractive is 9/10 of being attractive. If you think looks are all that matters, there is a different subreddit for that.

theroyalham · 2017-04-18T05:21:06+00:00

Umm..no. You're just below a 3, hence your belief of it being either 1 or 0. Girls aren't computers.

maggieG42 · 2017-04-18T10:53:57+00:00

Oh I understand now women needed to be sexually attracted to a male before she will want to have a relationship with him.

This is of course different to males.

Yeezus_MAGA · 2017-04-17T22:51:23+00:00

Not all girls are like this

plutosheen · 2017-04-18T02:16:13+00:00

Honestly that's how I view women too so I don't think it's unique to them. More 0s than 1s though.

Title	Girls see guys on a scale of 0 - 1
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