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Stop being a martyr and learn to be selfish

by hawkeaglejesus on /r/TheRedPill
24 May 2017 04:58 PM UTC

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One of the defining characteristics of man is his predilection for sacrifice.

A man is expected to go off to war to die or get maimed, while the men at home pay more taxes so that women can have free birth control and raise college tuition rates due to Title IX.

But why do this? Why put in more effort when it doesn't benefit you in any way?

Pulling on this thread is the key to finding the blue pill conditioning inside you.

Delayed gratification; holding off on immediate reward to receive more reward later. This idea has to be planted into the psyche of child and nurtured over many years until a man's entire identity is ego-invested into his ability to sacrifice for the "greater good". Like a pavlovian dog you're conditioned to do certain things using covert contracts.

  • Eat your veggies and you'll get two scoops of ice cream for dessert instead of one.

  • Charge grandma $10 to rake the leaves, or do it for free because you know she'll slip a $20 in your coat pocket when you're not looking.

  • Be a good boy and Santa will bring you gifts. Be a good man and you will be given entrance to heaven.

That is the essence of chivalry. You do not explicitly ask for a reward, because you've been conditioned to expect one as part of a covert contract.

But therein lies the greatest hypocrisy of selflessness and martyrdom; it only works as long as the martyr expects a reward for his actions.

The entire concept of karma is inherently a selfish ideology. You're not a good person for the sake of being good, you're investing in a pseudo-spiritual ponzi scheme and expect to "get out of it what you put into it", "what goes around comes around", and "good things come to those who wait." Islamists aren't blowing themselves up because they hate infidels, they're doing it for the 72 virgins.

And while I admit sacrifice is a necessity, after all any great society would not be what it is without the sacrifice of men, it is ultimately a sisyphean task where each time you satisfy the existing list of demands a new list arises to take its place. Look no further than Feminism.

The truth is, Game for women is learning how to manipulate that conditioned response to their benefit.

Just as Pavlov could get his dog to salivate even when there was no food present, women are able to get men to sacrifice even when there is no longer any reward.

Like a ponzi scheme women have figured out how to take advantage of this. Ask for large upfront investments, kick off a few small returns, and keep the investor hooked with promises that a big pay off is coming, but it never does. A Beta orbiter will spend hours listening to his oneitis talk about the guys she's fucking, drive an hour to give her a ride home from the bar, hold her hair while she vomits, and spend what little money he has on gifts and all she has to do is say, "You're such an amazing guy. Why can't the guys I date be just like you?"

And that little burst of hope and validation, being told you're a "good guy", is all it takes to perpetuate more investment. She'll recognize his sacrifices eventually right? If he's the hard working ant while the grasshopper is fucking the girl of his dreams, surely he'll get his reward soon...

But the reason you're here today is because you realized this is a lie. Like a restaurant which brings customers their food first with the expectation of payment later, you've seen far too many women simply run out on the bill.

Which is why I advocate being selfish asshole.

To me, the definition of asshole used to be someone who goes out of their way to make the lives of others worse. But that is not the definition that women hold. To women an asshole is simply a man who refuses to get with the program. A man who refuses to be a martyr because he knows there is no reward waiting for him on the other side.

A "normal" man is expected to give away his work for free and hope that payment will come. An asshole says "fuck you, pay me."

Society (women) will tell you to "Do the right thing" and you have to ask "Why?" Why is it that 99% of the time the "right thing" is one where you benefit and I don't?

Because the only thing they have to offer in return is validation. You give them what they want and in return you're given permission to call yourself a "good man."

Guilt and shame are their weapons. The implication that by refusing to go along with their emotional manipulations it means you're a bad person. Martin Luther caught on to this scam 500 years ago when the Catholic Church took your soul hostage and offered to sell it back to you.

Advertisers and women are just as savvy. Why shop at Starbucks and Whole Foods? Because we'll give away .0001% of our profits to charity and that means you're a "good" person for giving us your money.

Be a "bad" man. Be an asshole. Because assholes have committed the dastardly crime of defining their own self worth instead of buying small chunks of it at a time from the women who have assumed ownership of it.

When an asshole sees a girl he thinks, "She seems cute. I'll go over and talk to her and if she's interesting I'll ask for her number."

Instead of "Oh no! I'm objectifying a woman's value based on her appearance. But because I didn't actually go over to harass her with my presence that means I'm still allowed to call myself a good guy unlike that asshole over there. Thank you Feminist overlords!"

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Title Stop being a martyr and learn to be selfish
Author hawkeaglejesus
Upvotes 903
Comments 151
Date 24 May 2017 04:58 PM UTC (2 years ago)
Subreddit TheRedPill
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/43467
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/6d3fic/stop_being_a_martyr_and_learn_to_be_selfish/
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166 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

Great post. I've realized what being called an asshole actually means after reading trp. I just remember all those times saying, "How am I an asshole, I'm a good guy." Lol makes me cringe now that I'm thinking about it

111 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

"That's Mr. Asshole to you. Got that Sugartits?"

Say it playfully.

47 upvotesCQC32 years ago

I like that one.

Being called an asshole by a woman is easily the best green light to just keep doing what you're doing.

18 upvotesyomo862 years ago

Don't overdo it. There is a fine line between light-hearted assholish banter and being a dick.

3 upvotesCQC32 years ago

I know, but it depends on what you do in the first place. A girl calling you an asshole is almost always--as OP and many others have already said, a product of you not doing something for free or for others without gain. Women love that because it shows self respect.

Asshole banter is a bit different as it's usually about push and negs (however slight or severe). I usually avoid hard negs because they're easy to overdo unless you know the person well and understand their true insecurities. You want to tease someone, not make them feel bad about themselves in a deep way.

2 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

Believe me if you're actually crossing the line she'll call you something stronger than that.

13 upvotesBassNet2 years ago

Unless you're actually being an asshole, in which case you should probably reevaluate your attitude or recalibrate

10 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

No true scotsman dude, that word depends very much on who says it and in which context.

-13 upvotesTrapL0rdJesus2 years ago

Uh that doesn't sound correct

9 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

It's a very common shit test and one that is indeed a good sign you're doing things right (if your goal is to get her in the sack).

Similarly; "You're so bad", "You're corrupting me" etc.

-1 upvotesTrapL0rdJesus2 years ago

so what if she says stop touching me like that I'm going to call the police does that mean it's a green light pedal to the metal

upvotescancele2 years ago

The fuck kind of relevance was that example?

2 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

I would say you should put the brakes on actually. What are you trying to prove here?

-1 upvotes3ncryption2 years ago

If you say something that really makes them laugh, I've found some girls will throw out, "omg your so stupid". Be careful with this one though. If she doesn't laugh she may actually think you're stupid.

2 upvotesNewbosterone2 years ago

Or "Asshole? You say that like it's a bad thing!" Embrace your inner bad boy.

57 upvotesDocbear642 years ago

Great post but for what it's worth the " You get from the world the effort and goodness you put into it" mentality is just so much easier to swallow . GLO mentioned it in one of his posts before, most people are Golems, they don't think critically, they follow the popular script because straying from the prescribed line of thinking is scary and risky .

Men who stay in jobs because " One day they'll recognize my efforts" , Guys who " Love her no matter what because that's what she deserves" , they have no clue and I think don't want one .

Taking the reigns of your life and going " Fuck it I'm going to succeed by following my own path " Is the most refreshing and empowering thing you can do . Sure it's possible you'll fuck up and then you'll hopefully learn , get better , and succeed.

However it requires getting off the automated track of life. I'm still under 30 but I promise every year I see more of my peers doing what they're " supposed to do " and yet have little rational reasoning or thought for why they do the things they do if asked. All I can do is shrug though . It's their life and they can do with it as they please.

20 upvoteshawkeaglejesus [OP]2 years ago

"You get from the world the effort and goodness you put into it" mentality is just so much easier to swallow.

I agree and that's precisely why it is so dangerous. It is far too easy to extrapolate meaning into it that was not originally intended and it ties into the Just World fallacy.

It is the reason people think they can work as a cashier at Walmart their entire lives and blow all their money on lotto tickets and church donations because they think God will reward their goodness.

It is the reason Nice Guys think giving a woman tons of attention and being extra good to her will result in higher probability of being rewarded with sex.

It is a great way for teaching children the right set of socially acceptable values, but an adult has to be capable of free thought and comprehending complex ideas.

I would redefine "easy" as "efficient". Many of the platitudes I mentioned are efficient ways of conveying general ideas to people, but often times they don't contain a warning that they're applicable only about 90% of the time. That last 10% of life you have to figure out for yourself.

"When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, and I thought as a child; But when I became a man, I put childish things away."

45 upvotesFrenetic_Zetetic2 years ago

But therein lies the greatest hypocrisy of selflessness and martyrdom; it only works as long as the martyr expects a reward for his actions.

This is the single-best, most applicable, helpful post in weeks.

Be an asshole, and benefit immensely.

4 upvotesShinraTM2 years ago

I've often had this thought, and been offended that the world at large thinks it's entitled to my time and effort.

24 upvotesd4nonymous2 years ago

...and this is why I don't buy girls drinks.

I've found that the best way to give is without any expectations. Give judicially and without a covert contract attached. And ONLY do this AFTER all of your own needs are met.

17 upvoteshawkeaglejesus [OP]2 years ago

Exactly, giving should come from a position of "Fuck it, I've got $5 to spend and they seem like a nice person"

Not "I hope if I buy her a drink she'll stick around long enough for me to stumble my way into a conversation"

upvotesStrike482 years ago

To women, you're an asshole if you fail to fit the mold of a man that society has created in this era. It's different for her and so she'll think or call you an asshole.

The funny part of this is that most of the time, they'll call you an asshole while holding a huge grin in their face because deep down they fucking love it. They admire men that won't take their shit. Whether it's you making fun of her because you don't care how she'll react or just doing your own shit and brushing her aside. The asshole within you speaks to her in ways that a "nice guy" never will.

5 upvoteshawkeaglejesus [OP]2 years ago

The funny part of this is that most of the time, they'll call you an asshole while holding a huge grin in their face because deep down they fucking love it. They admire men that won't take their shit.

The more you do it, the more it becomes true.

19 upvotesMoonboots6062 years ago

"When an asshole sees a girl he thinks, "She seems cute. I'll go over and talk to her and if she's interesting I'll ask for her number."

I didn't think this was considered being an asshole. I thought it was quite normal to do.

30 upvoteshawkeaglejesus [OP]2 years ago

The BP conditioned man is plagued by his insecurities. His thoughts are, "What if she doesn't like me, what if she thinks I'm a creep, maybe I shouldn't go over there because I wouldn't want to bother her."

He thinks about the girl first, before thinking about himself.

Which is why so much dating advice is addressing the question "There's this cute girl I like. How do I talk to her?"

My use of the word "asshole" is facetious. There's the real definition of asshole and the feminine definition of asshole which is simply "a man who looks after his own needs/wants first before attending to the needs/wants of others"

By all means, I encourage men becoming the feminine definition of asshole.

7 upvotesMoonboots6062 years ago

I completely understand where you're coning from, I just never saw the difference...quite eye-opening.

58 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

Never commit to anyone but yourself.

27 upvotesinsoucianc2 years ago

Never commit to anyone MORE than yourself is better IMO.

6 upvotesvic_rattle182 years ago

Or maybe a dog, as they're the only beings on this earth that'll 100% reciprocate it.

14 upvotesTheOneWhoDidntCum2 years ago

"To women an asshole is simply a man who refuses to get with the program. A man who refuses to be a martyr because he knows there is no reward waiting for him on the other side"

This one did it for me. Brilliant post.

41 upvotesCrimsonShiv2 years ago

Haven't even finished reading but this is by far one of the highest quality posts on TRP for a while now. I can literally feel myself opening up to digest and internalize the information. Wow.

Thank you so much hawkeaglejesus


63 upvotesNeoreactionSafe2 years ago


The implication that by refusing to go along with their emotional manipulations it means you're a bad person.


That's the key concept of the post.

We can define Asshole as:


  • "Any man who refuses manipulation by a another."


And I'll add the definition of a Nazi is:


  • "Anyone who is capable of thinking for themselves while ignoring peer pressure."


38 upvotesRubrumPilula2 years ago

I've earned the reputation of being an actual Nazi at my school for merely sharing unpopular opinions.

Yea, I think I agree with your definition.

9 upvotesafkb39sdfb2 years ago

They call you a member of The National Socialist German Workers Party which hasn't existed for 70 years?

17 upvotesRuud-a2 years ago

Where did you get this definition of nazi? It doesnt seem right

44 upvotesNeoreactionSafe2 years ago


An "actual" Nazi was a german who after 1918 realized that the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia where millions of innocent Russians were murdered for the sake of some communist ideal represented an "existential threat" to Germany and that extreme measures would be necessary to fight it.


In our current world it's anyone who disagrees with Political Correctness.


23 upvotesmaxtor5122 years ago

Remember, the words "correct and justice" alone are noble and clear cut. It is when we add modifiers, such as "politically and social" that the word becomes a perversion. - Ben Shapiro

13 upvotesBassNet2 years ago

...and then he turned around and murdered 6 million innocent Jews. Some pretty successful "extreme measures" right there

7 upvotesNeoreactionSafe2 years ago


In WWII about 100 million died.

Don't buy into the Blue Pill mythology which elevates one ethnic group as the supreme victim class.

World War Two was the war of Russia vs Germany for the most part.

America simply arrived at the conclusion of the war.


16 upvotesBassNet2 years ago

It's not blue pill, it's basic history. I'm sure civilian's died on both sides but the German's systematically murdered millions of innocent people in concentration camps. If you deny that then I refuse to speak futher.

6 upvotesNeoreactionSafe2 years ago


You missed the point.

100 million people died in WWII.


The Blue Pill narrative is that WWII was about "hate" but what I'm saying is there were valid fears of the Communist Russians invading Germany and killing millions as the Bolsheviks had done this already.

The end of the war stuff is trivial in the "big picture", but the Blue Pill narrative inflates it because it serves the Globalist Tyranny.

The Globalist Tyranny wishes (obviously) to create a globalist prison planet so they need to make people believe they are the good guys.


See that?

It's a trick... they are emotionally manipulating you... it's Game.

You must wake up.


2 upvotesAlgernoq2 years ago

Communists did the Holodomor famine. Look it up. Also the Katyn massacre.

7 upvotesYou_Dont_Party2 years ago

World War Two was the war of Russia vs Germany for the most part.

Tell that to the 15-20 million dead Chinese. Come on, stop trying to simplify WWII to fit this narrative because you're distorting every factual reality about this conflict to make a stupid argument on the internet.

0 upvotesNeoreactionSafe2 years ago

We were referring to Germany.

How did the Germans see events in 1918?

It is from this view that the Nazi reaction came into existence.

All I'm saying is the Blue Pill version of WWII has the Germans unilaterally deciding to go crazy, but that's bullshit. The real history was that Germany feared Russian Communism.


3 upvotesRuud-a2 years ago

Thanks for answering. I'm not sure I agree with your second point, but I do see where you're coming from

19 upvotesNeoreactionSafe2 years ago

The MSM ("MainStream Media") has employed three types of deception recently:


  • Since the 1960's the use of the Conspiracy Theory Accusation is designed to isolate someone who might be speaking the Truth by making them appear crazy. This technique fails when millions share the same view of Truth so it's used only for certain circumstances.


  • Call someone a racist, bigot, nazi, mysogynist. This is the direct Emotional Attack and works well on clueless beta males who are needy for approval. The technique requires that the victim "wants" approval. When the victim is thinking for themselves they just tell the person to "fuck off" or maybe "go watch television you SJW".


  • The most recent technnique is to declare things Fake News. This is currently being done by both Truth speakers (like the Red Pill) as well as the MSM and systems like Google. Google now tries to prevent access to views that don't conform to the MSM narrative. Trump points out that CNN, MSNBC, etc are all "Fake News" pumping out nonsense and that is actually true.


7 upvotesjnnx2 years ago

That is a complete distraction, from your first point. Let's leave politics out of this.

6 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

You're completely and totally wrong. Politics is downstream from culture. They're inextricably intertwined

2 upvotesNeoreactionSafe2 years ago

This isn't politics it's a discussion of Game.

What I described was the manipulation and deception techniques of the Blue Pill Mainstream Media.


1 upvotescalantus2 years ago

They can't just hijack the definition of words, that gives them too much power.

7 upvotesMefic_vest2 years ago

This is absolutely brilliant.

9 upvotessorceryofthetesticle2 years ago

What if you are pathologically un-selfish? inject tren and lift 2x harder?

8 upvotesinsoucianc2 years ago

We're all selfish, this is by virtue of having a self to begin with. The only difference is what our motivations are: to serve the self or serve the else. The idea is to be motivated by serving yourself because service to others is a depreciating asset the moment it's put into circulation, not only that but if used as a sexual-contract there is a low probability of a return-on-investment that would net a profit, let alone a break-even return. By being motivated by serving yourself you can abscond from these sexual-economic sunk costs and get what you want out of life regardless of what others think about you. The reason this is important is because serving the self is a critical component of establishing a sexual relationship because they are always predicated by a balance of power, this is because women will not be sexually attracted to men who they consider equal in power and this is because our species is driven to continually produce offspring that are better suited for survival than the parents. This is because our bodies, the primary arbiters of sexual attraction through cognitive and emotional manipulation via endocrines, live in the physical world and must therefore engender attributes which are conducive to thriving in this physical world. Without an affinity for self-servitude, you may lack the compunction to gain and train the facets sycophantic to this ultimatum given to us by the physical world, which is essentially "Git gud nub".

After the initial establishment of the sexual-relationship through self-interest, you will also need to incorporate else-interest or selflessness to keep her interested and form a romantic-relationship, these are most evident in what this community calls "comfort tests". In economic terms, you need to offer a good the market is willing to pay for, this good is you, the market is women, and the payment is investment, either sexual or romantic. However, you also need to market your goods (actions and words) and it must be at a price the market is willing to pay. The higher-quality and higher-demand goods will fetch higher prices, however there are other vendors with similar goods so it can quickly become a race to the bottom in price. If you can monopolize the market however, you can decide the price, which is essentially where religion came in and created monogamy (I personally believe that polyamory/polygamy is the actual natural human mating strategy and laws had to created to force monogamy into existence).

Anyways, I'm circumnavigating. To answer your question, you just need to open your eyes and understand that society doesn't give a fuck if you're selfish or selfless, ultimately only you do, and that is selfish, so decide on what you, the self, are motivated by in a vacuum and then pursue those things as you wish. If what you desire is sex, you need to be selfish insomuch that you pursue it unfettered by opinion, if what you desire is romance, you need to be selfless insomuch that you pursue it unfettered by opinion, if what you desire is a well-rounded and balanced body and mind that will allow you to be the Father in a strong and successful family, you need both, as well as the prudence to understand when and why. This is the hardest path and why we had to create marriages as a pantomime to such artifice.

1 upvotesEclectiqque2 years ago

quality content for this sub. post more.

1 upvotesinsoucianc2 years ago

Sure, I'll discuss the intricate economics of sexuality and romance in a post some time so that they can be made plain for all to see before the next inevitable market crash in a decade.

1 upvotesepixs2 years ago

hop on the good shit bro, its a nice time ;)

6 upvotesiamyeezusalmighty2 years ago

Recently have been accepted into a top 5 finance internship for a huge investment firm; they've picked 10 interns including me out of over 900 other candidate interviews. The similarities between us interns that were chosen?

  1. We are all guys. Woohoo sausage fest, not a single vagina in the room
8 upvoteshawkeaglejesus [OP]2 years ago


"Aggressive testosterone-filled men who are ambitious and willing to do whatever it takes to succeed"

2 upvotesGenghisKhans_Dildo2 years ago

So you're now gonna be the beta for some Wall street alpha. Congrats on putting yourself back at the bottom of the totem pole.

It's much more rewarding to be the big alpha in a smaller pond than to ever be somebody's bitch. Women will detect your desperation to please your boss, and will probably seek him out to fuck him, impressed by his ability to put you in your place.

Here in manhattan, it's common for the girlfriends and fiancees of interns and new traders to find their way on the cocks of the boss, usually within the first three months. Kinda sad to observe, but that's the carousel for ya.

1 upvotesiamyeezusalmighty2 years ago

My boss is old, short, fat and balding and I don't do the girlfriend thing I just spin plates but ok lmao 👌

2 upvotesGenghisKhans_Dildo2 years ago

And your plates become the fat balding man's plates. Appearance doesn't matter.

2 upvotesiamyeezusalmighty2 years ago

Dude I don't date these chicks for a reason. Why would I give a single fuck? OH NO! HIS PLATES WILL FUCK HIS BOSS! HIS LIFE WILL BE MISERABLE!

If you didn't know, it's not that hard for people at my age to meet new girls. Also, I doubt solid 8s who live in SoCal will be so tempted by grandpa dick. Most are spoiled and from rich families anyway they don't give a shit about money

3 upvotesDrLeftCrRight2 years ago

Here's something else you have in common: they can work you like dogs 100 per week if you actually work for them full-time because you think money and status that only you care about are the most important things in the world. Honestly, you're probably going to make as much as some small-business owners could make if you had the ability to open and operate a decently sized small business.

5 upvotesiamyeezusalmighty2 years ago

Idk what 100 per week is... but if you're talking about time, yeah it takes a fuck load of commitment. Money and status are important, but not as important to me as health, wellness, and interpersonal relationships. Don't go around generalizing people.

I'm a college athlete, and I'm happy with my health and overall fitness at 12% body fat and 170 pounds. Also, we will actually make more than most small business owners, not to mention the fact that 8/10 startups will go bankrupt within its first 18 months.

Don't worry bud, I've already looked into it to see if there is an easy, legal, non risky way of making big money. There is not.

2 upvotesDrLeftCrRight2 years ago

Okay Bud, it's 100 hours per week, and you're right. Most small business owners don't make shit, but the vast majority of them have no formal business education whatsoever. They don't even pay the $25 to advertise on Facebook, so I don't expect the average small business owner to make $100k per year or stay in business. Let's use my field. What does the average accountant make as an employee? $65k. What does the average self-employed accountant make? $65k. The difference is once one is done working busy season, they don't have to work the rest of the year 55 hours per week and travel as well.

2 upvotesiamyeezusalmighty2 years ago

Different strokes for different folks I guess. I was just suggesting that women don't have the same drive and aggression that men do when it comes to their careers, and sometimes this is how society mistakenly labels us as assholes. Good talk, but I gotta get up at 4 am tomorrow. Just chasin my dreams, man. Hopefully it will lead me to an early retirement and if not, well kudos to you bud your perspective was better than mine

1 upvotesGr0o0vy2 years ago

If you want to know why there is no easy, legal and non risky way of making big money take a course in game theory

6 upvotesMrAnderzon2 years ago

This some good shit you speak of.

6 upvotesMacMean2 years ago

Altruism is a selfish act every time.

19 upvotesdankvibez2 years ago

This is how feminism eventually destroys society.

The rewards for being a good person are so low now, as females are in control more and they give incentives to be a type of man that cannot exist in a civilized society.

Pretty good write-up for the most part though. Although I take great issue with "Advertisers and women are just as savvy. Why shop at Starbucks and Whole Foods? Because we'll give away .0001% of our profits to charity and that means you're a "good" person for giving us your money. "

I personally get stuff from whole foods as I think organic food has less pesticide residues which are endocrine disruptors. My reason for shopping their is entirely selfish, I don't care if they give money to charity or not, it doesn't influence my decision as a consumer. If we are all trying to be the best men we can be, why take in chemicals that have a chance of harming you?

11 upvoteshawkeaglejesus [OP]2 years ago

That's perfectly fine. But there are people out there who follow the commercial ideology I mentioned. There are corporations who are taking advantage of the whole "being green and socially conscious" movement to entice customers.

Imagine your typical Prius driver. I'm sure some of them enjoy better mileage and a host of other features, but there's definitely a sub-sect of owners who drive a Prius simply for the fact that it makes them feel like a "good person."

I would consider that the TL;DR. Don't fall prey to the lure of social validation that is used to make you feeeel good. It's like a dopamine doggie treat used to train you into certain behaviors i.e. Blue Pill Conditioning.

2 upvotessour_jesus2 years ago

Your mentioning of Prius and better mileage reminds of this glorious hate facts segment by the famous Top Gear asshole: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F04MXepYiBs

2 upvoteshawkeaglejesus [OP]2 years ago

Love Jeremy. But to be fair, most of the Prius' economy comes from braking as you would in normal driving conditions rather than on a test track.

2 upvotesdankvibez2 years ago

I understand what you are saying. But some of those things about the "green socially conscious" movement are actually pretty redpill IMO. I honestly think that once the left realizes that plastics in water/food, pesticides in water/food, certain types of pollution etc, all can make men have more estrogen I can honestly see them stop caring about those causes lol.

Driving a prius is different though, you are paying extra money to serve the rest of the world. Where at whole foods/buying a reverse osmosis machine to clean water is doing something to serve yourself.

I actually think its pretty much cuck territory when some guy tells me he doesn't care about pesticides in his food. To me hes basically saying that he'd rather let some rich guy make some more money by emasculating him chemically. Rather than spending a little more money himself to buy something that won't ruin his body.

2 upvotesvwzwv2 years ago

Most people don't even understand the that the biggest pro to organic is the lack of pesticides. Most think organic is 'good' and the other is 'bad' and that's about it, so though you happen to be right, the generalized point he was tring to make is still valid, because most don't do it for the reasons you do.

as a side note, some produce is vastly more affected by pesticides than others. Namely spinach and apples are good to get organic because the non-organic versions contain ALOT of pesticides. Other produce is minimal. I've been meaning to go find the list and memorize more.

2 upvotesdankvibez2 years ago

I too have heard about specific types of produce. But yeah, I do agree most people probably by organic because they think its "natural" and "natural" is good. Which isn't that far from the truth, in general our bodies had to evolve in order to take in and process the foods/liquids we ingest, and if you take in something we did not evolve with, it might not be as good for you.

Most liberals love "natural" but only take it as far as it suits their agenda. They kinda like to leave out parts that women aren't as well equipped mentally to make certain kinds of leadership decisions for example. Or that they are on average much much weaker than the average man. Or that they probably won't fair as well in areas like the military.

3 upvoteshawkeaglejesus [OP]2 years ago

just as long as the water doesn't turn my frogs gay

1 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

Lol, I buy some stuff at whole foods simply just because their products are better quality than your run of the mill discount grocery store. Plus .0001% of donations is probably still a lot of money.. And still helping out in some way.

upvotestyler10092 years ago

Thank you for writing this. I've actually taken great pride lately in being called an ass hole or for pissing someone off. I've been the beta bitch nice guy for so long. So much "compassion" and putting others first, it got me no where. At some point you have to become a taker and start being your own advocate. When I die I don't want people standing around my casket saying "he was such a nice guy......".

5 upvoteshawkeaglejesus [OP]2 years ago

At some point you have to become a taker

There are those who are weak and those who are strong. I'd rather be the latter.

5 upvotesActanonverba112 years ago

I used to think that being selfish was wrong, but now I know better. Being selfish means that I take care of MY NEEDS FIRST. When women call me selfish, I see it as a good thing.

-3 upvotesDrLeftCrRight2 years ago

Being selfish means short-term gain at the expense of greater long-term gain.

5 upvotessilverpal2 years ago

This is a TRP summarized version of No More Mr. Nice Guy. If you liked this post read that book.

There is no such thing as true altruism. Accept this fact alone and you will do better. You do nice things for people for two reasons: one is to get something back in return which is coming from low value and two is you do something nice to show that you have power which comes from high value. I think this post is missing this side of the equation. To be fair it's hard to get so powerful that you can effectively use this side of niceness.

8 upvotesdrqxx2 years ago

Take what you want and share the rest.

4 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

This... this is making... a whole lotta sense.

4 upvotesReeeeeacher2 years ago

I agree with your definition of the asshole.

This post reminds me of a video by a lady called Feminism and the Disposable Man. It's worth a watch. One of her points was, a ship is sinking and the "good man" must give his spot on the life raft to a woman to save her life. But his life probably has (and should, to our standards) more value to society. So what is he saving? Why must he give up the seat? That's my seat on the life raft.

2 upvotesDrLeftCrRight2 years ago

I've seen a video by (I think) Karen Straughan that discusses that. Is that what you mean?

3 upvotesskrrrttt2 years ago

Does the guilt and shame thing apply to my mom? I ask why she doesn't cook and spend her time doing bullshit things then starts calling me a bad soon for not helping her

2 upvotesBridgeMonster2 years ago

She should be taking care of you until 18. After that, you're the one that's supposed to be paying her back, or at least be less of a burden.

Sure, you can somehow persuade her to cook for you, but if she resists, learn to take care of yourself.

1 upvotesskrrrttt2 years ago

Okay, that makes more sense

upvotespassagetopast2 years ago

Bit off-topic:

I consider myself mostly as beta what it comes to my body (at least I'm tall). But been lurking TRP some time now, and I had my denial and anger phases. When I started accepting certain truths about women nature, it helped me alot in the game.

I stopped pleasing (pedestal) and started acting a bit more selfishly, and lo and behold it works. Sure, I ain't scoring them top chicks with my body, but I've had my share of pretty ones.

I'll rather be an asshole than a good doggy that wags his tail when asked. Life's just better this way.

Ever getting married? Oh boy, how many divorce rapes I've seen in my circles.

2 upvoteshawkeaglejesus [OP]2 years ago

A Gaunt Wolf was almost dead with hunger when he happened to meet a House-dog who was passing by. “Ah, Cousin,” said the Dog. “I knew how it would be; your irregular life will soon be the ruin of you. Why do you not work steadily as I do, and get your food regularly given to you?”

“I would have no objection,” said the Wolf, “if I could only get a place.”

“I will easily arrange that for you,” said the Dog; “come with me to my master and you shall share my work.”

So the Wolf and the Dog went towards the town together. On the way there the Wolf noticed that the hair on a certain part of the Dog’s neck was very much worn away, so he asked him how that had come about.

“Oh, it is nothing,” said the Dog. “That is only the place where the collar is put on at night to keep me chained up; it chafes a bit, but one soon gets used to it.”

“Is that all?” said the Wolf. “Then good-bye to you, Master Dog.”

"Better starve free than be a fat slave"

3 upvotesS0n_Of_Zeus2 years ago

Posts like these are what TRP should be about - Bravo OP.

Let's steer away from the women hating, the beta shaming and see life for what it is and go for what you want and become a bad mother fucker along the way.

1 upvoteshawkeaglejesus [OP]2 years ago

Acknowledging the true nature of things and looking at it with a critical perspective is necessary. I wouldn't call it hating. If people take offense and feel ashamed, they have their own issues to deal with.

When Copernicus said the Earth rotates around the Sun he wasn't doing it to hate and shame the church. And despite their protestations and tightly-held beliefs to the contrary, the truth will always be the truth.

2 upvotesS0n_Of_Zeus2 years ago

There's nothing wrong with objectively analyzing men and women, I'm referring to the "anger phase".

3 upvotesyomo862 years ago

A "normal" man is expected to give away his work for free and hope that payment will come. An asshole says "fuck you, pay me."

I experienced this kind of behavior in the professional world as well. When you say, before we proceed, for profound legal advice we will charge you, they will revert to shaming instead of negotiating. We even had a women calling the entire legal community names for not doing her case pro bono due to the tiny fact that she was a well-off accountant very capable of paying.

Women have been coddled all the time and are not even close to being used to reality - be her daddy and show her the stick, she got the carrot always for free.

3 upvotesJizzWall2 years ago

This is awesome stuff right here. Asshole is now a compliment to me.

2 upvotesmegustaelgato2 years ago

Thanks for the post. Actually read it all.

2 upvotesstephcurrythrowaway2 years ago

I love that analogy of Assholes.

Technically men are designed to be assholes. They joke they have fun at times but they do what they need to do for themselves.

Being an asshole also doesn't mean, ignore your responsibilities, kids, family, brother and sister etc.

It means understanding that your life is also a priority and you need to make yourself and your goals first.

I often slack in that. Thank you

2 upvotesShakydrummer2 years ago

Fuck man, you had some damn good knowledge to impart. Thanks for contributing.

2 upvotestruthserum232 years ago

You're onto something here. Great read.

2 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

I'm new here, so help me understand. Is trying to be a good person for the sake of it actually bad? I never believed that you were supposed to receive rewards for being good. If anything my parents taught me that expecting rewards was wrong. Why does my happiness matter more than that of the people around me? If everyone is like this and only looks out for their own interest, won't we all just end up sad because we spend all of our time hurting each other? This seems greedy and immoral to me. Am I misunderstanding? Can someone help?

2 upvotesredrummilf2 years ago

You have answered your question in your question. You understand that you don't do something because you expect a reward. So the things that you do I would assume are done because they make you happy. Happiness is not a zero sum game. You are not depriving someone else happiness because you do what makes you happy. You also cannot be responsible for others habits or anything else about them. People are sheep. Operate above the pasture.

1 upvotesgg_s2 years ago

You are not depriving someone else happiness because you do what makes you happy.

This is absolutely possible if whatever makes you happy is wasteful and burdensome. For example, you can decide to quit your job and play video games all day long because work sucks and vidya makes you happy. In doing so, you will make whoever is supporting you very unhappy and want to kick your ass.

The key to happiness is order. A lot of people find happiness in disorderly activities because they offer easy escapes from necessary hardship. One must train himself to find happiness in doing things that are unpleasant yet beneficial, otherwise he will reap nothing and he and everyone around him will be miserable.

1 upvoteshawkeaglejesus [OP]2 years ago

Why does my happiness matter more than that of the people around me?

Why should other people shoulder the burden of making you happy if you won't do it yourself.

won't we all just end up sad because we spend all of our time hurting each other

Just because you don't go out of your way to help someone, doesn't mean you have to go out of your way to hurt them either. Think of it in terms of -1 0 1+

The golden rule, treat others as you would like to be treated, only works if everyone follows the rule. If some people refuse to then they're taking advantage of the people who are.

2 upvotesmeninistMD2 years ago

Great post, that idea has always been in mind, I have a different conclusion though in a way, delayed gratification helps having a better future, when I was 18 my parents died, left some money and an appartement, if I had no delayed gratification, I'd get a porch and live my nights, instead, went to medicine, made long term investments, now I am 30 and have two commercial buildings, some investments in disturbated funds, still I drive civic hyundai. I'd correct something don't be entirely an asshole, just know what you're getting for your sacrifice, what the future guaranteed return, be pragmatic instead of idealist. However in social circumstances, indeed being a total asshole with with a smile rewards more than being a nice guy, women simply don't give out for men for nice men in their prime years, actually they feel used if a man's niceness is because he wants a relationship or sex, they need emotional element with a feeling of social elevation. that's entirely a whole different thing than delayed gratification or self scarification in self development.

1 upvoteshawkeaglejesus [OP]2 years ago

However in social circumstances, indeed being a total asshole with with a smile rewards more than being a nice guy

You can make up for being too much of an asshole, but you can't make up for being too much of a pussy.

2 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

Always prioritize yourself as #1, because nobody else will.

upvoteslostinlife7212 years ago

While I understand and agree with many of OP's statements, I'd like to point out that women can also be manipulated--they are, in many societies. Shall they also think of it the way we RedPillians think about it (purely be concerned with personal gains)? When is sacrifice okay? Doesn't mutual sacrifice bring more well bring for both? Where's the balance?

1 upvoteshawkeaglejesus [OP]2 years ago

When is sacrifice okay?

When you've already taken care of your own needs first so that you're not dependent on the kindness of others to feel fulfilled

Doesn't mutual sacrifice bring more well bring for both? Where's the balance?

That is the balance. This is precisely why this system of inter-gender relations no longer works. Men fulfill their end of the deal, but if women refuse to fulfill their side Men are simply being exploited and taken advantage of. If the other person isn't willing to sacrifice for you why should you sacrifice for them?

2 upvotesCrimsonShiv2 years ago

Recommended further reading:

No More Mr. Nice Guy

The Subtle Art of Not Giving a Fuck

2 upvotesgoldaxis2 years ago

This is a huge pain point for me. I have always wanted to be a "kindness through strength" kind of man - someone who leads by example, using power to build up and inspire the people around him, rather than using it to dominate his surroundings.

In recent years I have started to consider that it may be a fantasy to think that people be elevated that way. It is shocking how horrible people are. Given an inch, even family will take advantage of you and abuse your kindness. Almost none will show proper respect or appreciation for your "goodness", and even fewer will go out of their way to do something nice for you. Countless predators will seek you out and try to take you for everything you're worth.

Excessive selflessness is no more righteous than excessive selfishness. Even if you want to, you can't help anyone without first helping yourself.

2 upvotesddiogenesofsinope2 years ago

Posts like this are why I keep coming back to this subreddit. You single handedly brought this sub back to life for me with this one post

Nice one man

5 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

This is core TRP. You get to this point and you've made it.

3 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

Man.. I hope the "selfish asshole" thing is just a phase for you.

I find this whole perspective to be completely toxic. You don't get what you want out of life while being a "good boy" so go the opposite end and act like a selfish jerk.. This mindset is why America sucks balls to live in right now and is nothing close to what it used to be in its height.

Being an asshole doesn't get you more pussy. You get more pussy because you stop giving a fuck and stop worrying about what the girl thinks of you. You stop worrying about rejection because it no longer affects your ego because you've been working out, making money, and looking good.. So now you have abundance mentality and 1 little rejection isn't a big deal because you can go out and meet another girl, or swipe around on tinder and line up a girl who' just as hot, if not hotter.

It's possible to be a decent person and get laid a lot. Works for me. You can not give a fuck while still respecting a chick. Just like you can get your way by being a decent person if you're not a complete doormat. (But also remember, whether you're a good boy or an asshole.. Neither exhibits a 100% success rate in getting what you want all the time). All you have to do is layout your requests on the table and communicate. In fact, if you do so in a positive way rather than assholish, it will make doing business with you a much more pleasant experience for them.

Assholes say "fuck you pay me" While decent people simply request 50% up front and have some kind of contractual agreement in writing to seal the deal. It's just business and everyone knows business gets it because everyone's been ripped off by some asshole before.

Sure an asshole might "get his way" more often than the nice guy.. But he's still a rotten person to be around and probably pretty sad on the inside. I feel like assholes act like assholes because something happened to them in life to drive them to that point.

Don't perpetuate the cycle by acting like an asshole just because someone who took advantage of you did. By doing so, you're entering their frame and thinking that their solution to solving problems is the only one-it's not.

Assholes are the reason why I'm going to be in debt once I'm finished college. Assholes are the reason why I will never have it as easy as my parents generation did with "living the dream". Assholes are the types of people who go to the 20 items or less line with 30 items and don't let you cut them when all you have is a loaf of bread and quart of milk. Sure they're getting what they want but it comes at the price of being a miserable fucking loser who no one wants to be around other than some damaged chick with daddy issues.

5 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

While I have issues with other things you said in the post, you knocked it out of the park with Paragraphs two and three-- so true! Just show that you have self-love and you don't give a fuck, it'll make you irresistible! That's the biggest thing, boys.

11 upvotesOmnibrad2 years ago

Assholes are the reason why I'm going to be in debt once I'm finished college. Assholes are the reason why I will never have it as easy as my parents generation did with "living the dream". Assholes are the types of people who go to the 20 items or less line with 30 items and don't let you cut them when all you have is a loaf of bread and quart of milk. Sure they're getting what they want but it comes at the price of being a miserable fucking loser who no one wants to be around other than some damaged chick with daddy issues.

Complete lack of personal responsibility.

The reason you will be in debt after college is because of decisions you made. The reason you aren't living the dream is because you don't have a dream to live. Assholes are the type to tell someone with 30 items to leave the 20 items or less line. Sure, you're getting what you want (attention) but it comes at the price of being a miserable fucking loser who no one wants to be around other than some damaged chick with daddy issues.

I award you one downvote.

5 upvotes19RomeoQuebec2 years ago

The entire country of japan is not getting pussy. But I'm sure the Yakuza are swimming in pussy. Oh yeah, they are allowed by the government to have districts within cities that they own and control. Bad boys get pussy, Good boys stay locked up in their parents basement jacking off to some Square Enix series. I'd rather be an asshole fucking hoes, and seeding a fatherless child. So that some guy with really good morals can raise my kid for me. That sounds like a good life to me.

2 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

You're probably getting downvoted to hell, but just so you know I agree with you.

2 upvoteshawkeaglejesus [OP]2 years ago

I hope you realize the entire point of this post was to point out the importance of thinking for yourself and interpreting things within context, rather than as you have done just now interpret things 100% literally.

1 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

no i didn't realize. thanks for clearing that up for me.

2 upvotesbluedrygrass2 years ago

"That is the essence of chivalry. You do not explicitly ask for a reward, because you've been conditioned to expect one as part of a covert contract."

Technically, chivalry is doing something expecting nothing in exchange, directly or indirectly, and refusing eventual offers.

Damn, that's basic stuff, didn't you guys hear some tales or anything?

2 upvoteshawkeaglejesus [OP]2 years ago

Why is it that every time someone starts a sentence with "technically", it's immediately followed with sperg shit

"I know there's a common definition of the word, but here's a second definition that contributes nothing because no one uses it."

1 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

While I whole heartedly agree about being a so called "asshole" as termed by women. (Ever notice how every single ex of a woman is an "asshole"?)

I also disagree about being a true asshole. A true asshole sets up and exploits win:lose situations, exploits tragedy of the commons situations, does not follow through on his word and generally is a leach on all around him. (Actually this more accurately describes a her).

Many of the things you described are not being an asshole. Exchanging work for money, wanting compensation when a real value is expended, upholding generational contracts (remember Grandma used to sneak you some chocolate when you were a kid, that's why you now take care of ol granny, she prepaid). Driving in rush hour in a manner that makes it worse for everyone. Not wearing deodorant because that costs you and benefits others. Etc etc.

So on general, good post. But let's not encourage people to not play games optimally for all involved.

1 upvotesJPR39592 years ago

I always day "I'm the nicest asshole you'll ever meet." . Like OP says know your worth. Don't let other people define it or make you work to understand it.

That being said, you don't need to be a dick for people (which I don't think he's advocating). Walk your own path and when people tell you to change, especially women just keep moving forward....

Good post OP

1 upvotesBassNet2 years ago

I'm fine with paying taxes so women get birth control. I'm not trying to have a baby with the Tinder slut from last night

upvotesEsteraMC2 years ago

Learned this, still did not get laid. Another wannabe dark triad post.

Here is the real hard pill guys:

  • unless you are cutting off peoples fingers for them not paying you loans back

  • unless you are an actual murderer

  • unless you traffic drugs on a large scale (none of that selling weed to friends bullshit)

  • unless you commit wire fraud on an international level

  • unless you are not serached by FBI and Interpol






You are no better than those nice girls who think they are bad girls, yet refuse to do really fucked up, bad shit.

You are FAKER, it is absolute roleplay and really pathetic how you try to be hard and "cool".

People who actually are DARK TRIAD FOR REAL. People who DO SHIT THAT GETS THEM KILLED OR JAILED FOR LIFE...they don't fucking even know what dark triad is, they don't play some fantasy persona. They just do fucked up, edgy shit and are natural badasses.

You are LARPing her hard.

And before you do some lame ad hominem attack on me, COUNTERARGUMENTS OR BTFO!

1 upvotespridebrah2 years ago

The point of this post is to put yourself first. That has nothing to do with being a master of the dark triad or whatever.

As referenced above, another write up on this topic that may make more sense.

If you have to fake putting yourself first, you have a severe nice guy issue to over come. Simple as that

upvotesMisterDorimant2 years ago

Yeah, there are some real motherfuckers in the world, no doubt about it.

The red pill is how to take that information and become fake.

Because girls are 100% fake and they want to be with fake Men.

In the 1970s and 1980s, Men and girls both would be shamed for being poseurs. Those days are gone. We now live in a time where stupidity is exalted above all else and fakery will get You farther in life than being legit.

upvotesEsteraMC2 years ago

Yeah, there are some real motherfuckers in the world, no doubt about it.

And they don't fucking post on reddit.

The red pill is how to take that information and become fake.

Ok, then at least admit this is all faking.

All of this pretending and posing makes me vomit. Go out there, do your stuff, get what you want. Right now I have to pretend that I am someone I am literally not to get attention. This is PATHETIC

If I'd do some real dark triad shit YOU WOULD BET YOUR ASS I would never, EVER mention that or even let normies know I've done it.

People who do fucked up shit hide it at all costs.

-5 upvotesDrLeftCrRight2 years ago

See, this is why people think you guys are nutjobs. This post sounds like there's some kind of conspiracy among women to keep men trained, and for God's sake, stop calling people beta. Isn't it weird that basically all of you are alphas?

Instead, just express your view without talking about how oppressed you are. Men definitely aren't equal in some ways, but all of these "beta" men don't want to be associated with your alpha whining. You could've just said, "Don't sacrifice now for the expectation of a reward that may not come later," and it would have been just as good and resonated with more people.

(Also, mods please ban me for showing up and dropping all these red pills.)

3 upvoteshawkeaglejesus [OP]2 years ago

*Make post about the importance of not being dependent on external validation*

See, this is why people think you guys are nutjobs.

Great reading comprehension pal.

You could've just said, "Don't sacrifice now for the expectation of a reward that may not come later," and it would have been just as good and resonated with more people.

Oh noooo, was the message not palatable enough for your delicate sensibilities? Would you like me to pre-chew all the words and censor all the sentences that hurt your fee fees?

1 upvotesDrLeftCrRight2 years ago

See, that's what I'm talking about. When someone criticizes your method, you should look through the lack of tact to see what bits of information help. Instead, you're just going to dismiss any valid criticism because it's not really about helping men. You're not worried about male equality. You're worried about being able to be the victim, but you're also going to keep telling yourself that you're about to change your mindset, and everything will suddenly change. The path to change for men isn't internet anonymity and looking down on everyone who isn't in your in group as inferior. It's real organizing by real people and complaining to lawmakers in mass about the issues you're experiencing.

2 upvoteshawkeaglejesus [OP]2 years ago

The path to change for men... complaining to lawmakers in mass about the issues you're experiencing.

I'm glad I kept reading so I could get to this gold nugget. Thank you for the good laugh.

Just so you don't cry because I didn't give you a real answer.

You're saying that rather than take reins of your own life and enact change as you see fit, the solution is instead to go complain to a bunch of other men so that they fix your problems for you. Is that about the sum of it?

This is what women do. This is what Betas do. Instead one should aim to become the Alpha that actually gets shit done.

1 upvotesDrLeftCrRight2 years ago

You're way too preoccupied with your masculinity. I wonder why that is. Also, you have no idea who you're talking too. I took myself from poverty through the Marine Corps through college to the upper-middle class. Good luck "getting it done" man.

1 upvotesgg_s2 years ago

He's talking to you, the guy who said the path to change for men is to herd together and bitch to the government.

Congrats on the master's degree. I hope you make a lot of money. You're going to need it.

-2 upvotesrazz-rev2 years ago

You guys do realize without women, your genes simply die. Without women the human species does no propagate. Men need women and women need men.

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