The best sex I ever had was after I stopped giving a fuck about them

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The Red Pill is a journey down the rabbit hole of a new reality. After digging a while, you reach pretty dark places.

That's what happened to me too. At some point, I realized that the nature of the game truly was amoral: that things like caring and niceness were not needed at any level, even the subconscious one. I realized that I could do and get whatever I wanted if I knew how, with next to no negative consequences. No universal justice was there to punish me, no karma, no retribution.

I've always been a romantic at heart. Even after swallowing the pill, I used to think that a baseline of "decency" was not only moral but necessary. That's not just not true, but a sad limiting belief that hurts you both: you do not understand decency while you're still thinking like that.

I experimented with total selfishness, pushing things as far as I could get them to go, putting what I wanted front and center. I consciously deadened any instincts towards "caring"; in hindsight, I now realize I wasn't "caring" at all, I was protecting my own worldview and my emotional attachment to it, and in so doing underserving both me and the girl.

The best sex I've ever had came after that; after realizing that the union of male and female is supposed to come about a certain way, which is not the way mainstream culture depicts at all. The male principle is strength, direction, dominance; the female principle caring, following, submission.

Where before I had self-limited or even had to force out my dominance, I just let it flow freely. Where before I had been in my head worried about what to do, I just went with what I wanted to do. Where I used to worry, before and after, about the quality of my performance, I simply didn't.

The difference was night and day. I went from feeling as if sex was as much work as it was pleasure, to pure primal pleasure. I went from worrying too much to not worrying at all. I went from doubting my results to being assured of them. I went from inconstant results to constant ones.

For a good while, observing this reality unfolding before me was depressing. It made me think that there was something wrong: if women and I enjoyed sex the most if I treated them, as I perceived it, like worthless pieces of fuckmeat, then something must have been wrong. Right?

Of course not. Absolutely not. I only understood it in hindsight. You are not showing appreciation for a woman when you're behaving like a supplicant beta male, not in the slightest. The height of appreciation for a woman is receiving the attention, even passing, of a valuable alpha male; being treated "like a worthless piece of fuckmeat" means receiving the attention of a male who is at the top of the sexual desirability scale, which is the very best appreciation you could ever shower on a woman. No woman I ever treated like this complained about it, or looked to be feeling devalued.

You give a fuck by not giving a fuck. By being true to your male role, you honor her female role.

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Title The best sex I ever had was after I stopped giving a fuck about them
Author G_Petronius
Upvotes 778
Comments 117
Date 04 June 2017 03:53 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor135 points136 points  (26 children) | Copy

I destroyed a marriage by not heeding this. I knew better, of course, but she was my special innocent sweetie. No, there will be no pounding. I'll buy her stuffed dolls and go on long walks to show her how much I appreciate her, and then I'll turn down the lights and give her an hour long back massage before I see if I can touch her butt with my index finger.

Ug.. I was fucking pathetic.

[–]1ozaku773 points74 points  (8 children) | Copy

I used to give hour long massages to my ex. Later she spilled the beans that 5 minutes in she just wanted to get dicked by me and didn't get why I kept massaging her for so long. Go figure...

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor38 points39 points  (4 children) | Copy

It took Legal Cohabiting Female 25 years to sheepishly say that maybe I should have been more.... I don't know... aggressive? (me).. well... no... but... um... more.... uh....

Yes. Aggressive.

The fucked up thing was her predecessor was my fucking rag doll. She was crushed when I left.–whore_complex

[–]RPBulletDodger13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

The one glaring flaw with the wiki link is where it blames men for reacting logically to the actions of women. Post is spot fucking on other than that.

Having said that, you should be an Endorsed Contributor on this sub already. Thank you for all that you do.

[–]1ozaku73 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

That it took her 25 years kind of shocked me... Just kind of because it wasn't entirely unexpected. The thing is that women can't tell you that they want you to be more aggrressive, can't tell you when they are turned on and when you should just fuck them like ragdolls (there are exceptions). Because it simply loses the "magic" aka the mystery for them. It's like getting them a present and telling them what it exactly is beforehand.

I had very few times sex with my ex, but the times we had sex was when I just undressed her out of desire and she loved it, and another time when I firmly gripped her panties while making out and eventually aggressively pulled them off (these ones were expensive).

What do you mean that she was crushed when you left?

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

What do you mean that she was crushed when you left?

The ragdoll, not Legal Cohabiting Female. I got one of those creepy multipage letters explaining what our time together meant to her but she understood it was how things had to be. Etc. She was a 6 but a great fuck. LCH was an 8.5 but cold as ice. See women instinctively understand the sexual marketplace. She knew she lost.

Oh, and as for the ice princess. That is where I truly fucked myself. See I thought she was like that because she was relatively innocent. Nope. It's clear she lost attraction to me but was scared (circumstances were changing in her life) and wanted to hide under my tree for safety. Provider. The best part is when she invited other men under the tree to fuck.

[–]1ozaku73 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Women know the sexual market place because they don't have to do anything since men do all the approaching. She knows what she's worth, but a beta won't ever know because he doesn't even try.

Ice princesses are the worst, and are the last kind in which you should invest yourself emotionally because that's nothing but an emotional black hole. It goes in, but never returns to you.

[–]Hsnbrg5013 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

Merge foreplay and massage together. Massage CAN be a type of foreplay if done in the right context

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

I literaly massage my girls back while my dick is inside her

Feels good man

[–]1ozaku70 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Like a full body erotic massage basically.

I recommend going for one, it's a great experience.

[–][deleted] 25 points26 points  (8 children) | Copy

Ugh.. I was fucking pathetic.

Don't feel too bad. I asked a girl to prom through a poem and chocolates.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor21 points22 points  (5 children) | Copy

Hollywood would be proud. You followed the script. You did what was expected. And... Well, we now know different, right my friend?

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (4 children) | Copy

Perhaps it's because I grew up without a strong male role model, but I don't feel I progressed much from that. I mean... my brain knows it's wrong, but my heart still craves emotional intimacy with women.

Especially a certain type of woman, there are a select few that have this "angelic" look. I crave cuddling and snuggling with them almost as much as I crave sex with them. I know that sounds bizarre or delusional, and to be fair I was forcefed testosterone-lowering pharmaceutical drugs before, but it's nevertheless how I turned out.

I made a few safety precautions just so I don't succumb to that though. The first is that I won't ever commit to a woman remotely until after we have sex. The second is that I'll make sure I'm polygamous more often than I am monogamous. The third is that I will never cuddle or snuggle or nap with a girl unless it's post-sex.

[–]RPBulletDodger5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy

I crave cuddling and snuggling with them almost as much as I crave sex with them.

No way to live bro.

Understandable, you must be very young.

More experience with women will kill that craving faster than an intracranial aneurysm.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

How old do you think I am based on my previous comment? I'm curious what my mental development is.

[–]RPBulletDodger5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

Mid 20s...tops.

I was there once.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

most of us cringe at the thought of who we were. dont waste one more second on your past when one can only live in the now and future

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew7 points8 points  (3 children) | Copy

That's a shame, but at least you learned and accepted reality.

Look at how many men never will and will deny human nature to the end of their days!

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

accepted reality.

That is the pill, right? Tough motherfucker.

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Yep, pretty much.

Few things in life worth learning come easy

[–]deville053 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

You know when I was in a relationship she was my sweetie and I did the overly loving kind boyfriend thing but that never kept me from getting nasty or rough in the bedroom. I never had sexual issues with any of my serious ltrs. Sex was always great. Infact I think in many ways that was the main reason we kept going with our otherwise toxic relationship between 2 needy people with self esteem issues

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You aren't the only man that did this. Live and learn (unlearn)

[–]1ozaku741 points42 points  (2 children) | Copy

Compare it to you being an animal that is chopped up and served to the guests of a restaurant. Would you be more satisfied if they would eat you with knife and fork and all the decency, or when they would grab that piece of steak with their hands and eat it like wild animals which express how fucking delicious you are?

The same counts for women. They don't want that lovemaking romance (maybe some of them sometimes, but let's assume the AWALT principle). They want to get fucked like animals and feel how hot they make you. Most women wouldn't give a fuck if you would cum within a few minutes, as long as you are ready to give her a good 2nd, 3rd or even 4th round. I'm now with a girl that just wants me to cum multiple times inside of her and just forget about pleasing her and focus on pleasing myself with her. (Yeah, we're using condoms, calm your tits). Paraphrased "I want you to fill me with your cum over and over again and fuck me like a sexdoll."

Had a few times drunken sex. Sometimes it just led to passing out, but other times we just didn't give a single fuck what the other thought and we fucked like animals. The "innocent girl" would suddenly not just lie there when she was being fingered but would arch her back up and push my face between her legs with force, and it took both of us to open up.

The main reason that women "safe the best for last" is because they end up with a wimp that will judge them on anything they do that goes beyong his comfort zone or what he considers normal. This entire "But I want you to respect me!" comes from Beta Billy which would lose respect for her if she would suck him like a dickhungry slut. Hence, she doesn't suck his dick like a dickhungry slut. A woman becomes what you want her to be. If you desire a low n-count chick that makes sweet love to you, she will become that for you. If you show that you won't judge her for whatever she does in bed and that you don't give two shits about who she has fucked before you, you will get a chick that's much more open about her past and will have a much better sex life with.

Just last week I have been out with a random chick from the street the same night (got talking for a few minutes from a random comment I made and got her number). She was so curious why I didn't care about other guys buying her drinks or talking to her, and 5 hours she told me she's actually a dancer and wondered why I don't care at all. "Your body, your choice, not my problem. I'm here to have fun, right now". She stuck to me like a bumpersticker and she fucked me once we got to her place.

[–]FailingBillionaire1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

You talk about a 2nd, 3rd or God forbid a 4th round, but what do men do, that lose all interest in sex, after they came the first round?

And how big is your break between each round? What do you do in these breaks?

[–]1ozaku73 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Just stop fapping alltogether and chase the pussy. You will get better at it. Do sports, stay fit, and get a girl that can get you pretty horny. Get her to wear some sexy lingerie with high heels, dressing like the stripper she is and you can bet I could squeeze out a 5th round if my abs can survive.

[–]makethemflaunt165 points166 points  (47 children) | Copy

Yes, great post and definitely true for flings, plates, girls who are just sex-outlets. Not great for LTRs all the time though.

My LTR once took 2-hours preparing herself for me when I got home. She shaved and waxed and plucked and did her hair and picked out nice clothes and put on candles and incense. We'd been exclusive for a couple months, and all I ever really did was power-fuck her.

Well, this evening, she was looking so hot, I just grabbed her, threw her on the bed and power-fucked her with her clothes still half-on and it was done in under ten minutes. She cried. And I get it. She put in a lot of work for not much, really. Since then, I've learned to sometimes take it slow. Apart from that LTR-related caveat, great post.

[–]buncha_circles92 points93 points  (8 children) | Copy

You can be dominant while doing more than "power fucking." In fact, you don't even need to take it slow, you just need to introduce different kinds of stimulation like hot breath, talking, biting & scratching, and skin to skin.

The best dominance I've experienced in bed is where your strength is implied and you are commanding her.

Instead of also just jumping head first into sex by just taking her and fucking her, you can flip it and make her seem like she's the one who wants it. She got dolled up to be fucked, right? The smoothest way to handle this is to play down your need for sex (very masculine if sex is abundant) while teasing her all night, telling her that you can't wait for her to rub her smooth skin all over you. Things which tease the sex later and build her up while you make sure to stay level headed.

Read sex god method.

[–]charlie_boomdick36 points37 points  (0 children) | Copy

Agreed. "power fucking"... what is that? Like just constant hard railing? That's not dominance. Do as buncha-circles says and carefully read the sex god method as a starting point (find a free download).

[–]drnemola12 points13 points  (6 children) | Copy

Sex God Method? Now where can I find that?

[–]2CHAD_J_THUNDERCOCK16 points17 points  (5 children) | Copy


filetype:pdf sex god method 

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen31 points32 points  (4 children) | Copy

[–]drnemola3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Looking forward to this. Thanks!

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor59 points60 points  (3 children) | Copy

Don't conflate dominance with driving her face into a pillow and jackhammering until you reach oil every time you have sex.

[–]APSTNDPhy37 points38 points  (1 child) | Copy

This is what teenagers think is good sex..

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

Good catch. Have an up vote.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen20 points21 points  (26 children) | Copy

So she didn't put in all that effort for you, but for herself, and was sulked when she didn't get what she wanted out of it? Am I understanding this right?

[–]7a7p points points [recovered] | Copy

She wanted to share a "love making" experience and OP went for the "You like this dick, bitch?" method.

It's actually hilarious if you think about it.:.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen15 points16 points  (13 children) | Copy

So for whom did she dress all nice and shit?

[–]bluedrygrass9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

For herself.

The other answers are dicking around and avoiding telling the truth, but she did it for herself, only for herself.

Because if she did that for him, she would have been satisfied since it obviously worked very well on him, he was very excited to the point he couldn't even contain himself.

But she didn't do the preparation for that. She wanted to receive compliements about her looks, her makeup, her dress. She wanted to play the story in her head. About herself and her Barbie accessories.

Who cares if her Ken loved it and cummed hard? Not her- Ken is just another accessory, and he didn't play his part.

[–]7a7p points points [recovered] | Copy

Both, I'm assuming. I'm not to far down my Red Pill rabbit hole but, to me, it seems like she dolled herself up to make herself feel "pretty" and also let OP know that she wasn't looking for just another trip to the "bone zone". That may have been why she got so hurt she cried when OP put the spurs to her.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen-2 points-1 points  (10 children) | Copy

So she ultimately did it out of selfish reasons and was disappointed when her manipulation tactics did not work out as expected.

I fail to see OPs fault here.

[–]wanderer77926 points27 points  (3 children) | Copy

Who cares about any of this anyway? I say just fuck em how you want. If she doesn't like it that way then you are both welcome to go find someone else.

Also I'd say that once you get to where a woman is trying to negotiate different styles of fucking the magic is gone. Think about a first time with a girl who was really into you - she was just ecstatic that you wanted her and had a great time regardless of your technique. This negotiating comes in later after you've shown that you aren't the heroic character they always have you pegged for in the beginning. Ironically I think reading books and trying to guess what they like just ensures that they won't like it.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy

Finally sanity finding its way in here. Spot on. Give this man a point! ♂

[–]bluedrygrass3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I say give /u/vandaalen a point. Because he got fucking downvoted for telling the truth and exposing the blue pill lie that is the concept that her actions weren't self centered.

[–]wheresMYsteakAt-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Looks like another member of the #gooddick crew. How does he know he has good dick? He cums every time.

[–]AnonymousAndLovinIt1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

So she ultimately did it out of selfish reasons

Yes. She wanted a sex a certain way. The epitome of selfishness. Why can't people just never do anything for themselves and do everything for others while not expecting anything in return? I am so shattered!

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

That is not why I initiated this trail of comments and you know full well.

[–]StudntRdyTeachrApear3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

You sound like a hammer. Not everything is a nail.

[–]bluedrygrass3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Oh c'mon. It's clear as day what she did and why. If she did it for him she would have been happy for the result. Exactly like when you fuck your girlfriend for the first time she doesn't care where you are, how you do it, and how much you last. Actually she only cares if you don't cum or take too long, because it means you're not into her.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor-4 points-3 points  (0 children) | Copy

"love making" experience

Reserved for Beta Bradley as a means to get him to think they have true love. It's low investment sex for both parties.

[–]1ozaku739 points40 points  (7 children) | Copy

Well, a 2 hour investment for some regular 10 minute hard dicking sounds quite disappointing. He could have shown his other alpha side by building up, having a nice dinner at home, get comfortable on the couch and whatnot. Having dinner and such with a LTR isn't anything beta or submissive whatsoever in my book.

Women want to get dicked hard, that's clear, but they want the feels, the memories, excitement. Girls just want to have fun.

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I get your point - although I have to say the image you doing that to her made me chuckle, lol.

Point taken, thanks for the example.

[–]Luckyluke232 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

i find it's a lot of giving and takes... sometimes you got to fuck for you and sometimes you got to fuck for her.

[–]badaod1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

what did you do after the 10min jackhammering her? watch football?

[–]AnonymousAndLovinIt1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Women need that emotional attachment. It hit me since I was using the term "a slut" during dirty talk. Using some advice I found online, I changed it to "my slut". Boy, was the reaction different.

[–]makethemwant0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Lol. As has been said before, power-fucking and staying dominant are two different things. Thanks for the anecdote.

[–]hawkeaglejesus0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I just grabbed her, threw her on the bed and power-fucked her with her clothes still half-on and it was done in under ten minutes.

power fucked or not, barely lasting 10 minutes might as well be pre-mature ejac

[–]losectrl0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Some of the best sex I've had, has involved the girl crying at some point. The reasons vary, but it's certainly not a bad sign. It just means that they are so emotionally invested that whatever you did pushed her feels to the next level.

[–]slay_it_forward180 points181 points  (28 children) | Copy

One of the many paradoxes of male / female dynamics. You have to treat her like you don't give a fuck for her to give a fuck about you. As soon as she senses you're beta or beneath her in value the pussy doors slam protect your value....don't show weakness, don't discuss your problems, use mild dread, never ask for permission to do anything...,and for fuck sakes don't feel guilty about any of it. We're playing the game by the rules dictated by nature.

[–]buncha_circles170 points171 points  (23 children) | Copy

Nah dude, you've got it wrong. You don't have to treat a woman like you don't give a fuck about her. You have to treat her like you've got options and that she isn't the center of your life (preferably this happens automatically because its actually true). Coincidentally, not giving a fuck about her will accomplish both of those tasks, but then you won't get to experience the positives that women have either.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen16 points17 points  (3 children) | Copy

then you won't get to experience the positives that women have either.

Give me an example of this.

[–]buncha_circles41 points42 points  (2 children) | Copy

A woman will take you on adventures if they trust you. Sometimes you get to meet her friends and her friends already know how well you fuck her. This kind of pre-selection is ace.

Just getting into the carefree mindset that a woman can have and understanding it was almost as big as a mindfuck as doing psychedelics. But it requires little judgment from you and for you to not logic it all out. Of course, being a man, you can't live in this state but its a nice relief every now and again to hang with a woman and actually feel the good feminine vibes.

[–]bluedrygrass2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

A woman will take you on adventures if they trust you. Sometimes you get to meet her friends and her friends already know how well you fuck her. This kind of pre-selection is ace.

And nothing of this is precluded by not giving a single fuck about her. Quite the opposite actually.

[–]slay_it_forward22 points23 points  (18 children) | Copy

Semantics. You're basically saying the same thing

[–]gggreorge96 points97 points  (16 children) | Copy

No, there is a difference between not caring and not being tied down. He is saying you can care about a person and not need them.

[–]1grogbottle16 points17 points  (1 child) | Copy

Women care about you a hell of a lot more when you aren't tied down. Show a bit of care yourself (just keep it to people who deserve it) and she'll be straight up in heaven. So ask yourself: does she deserve it?

OP is generally right. The disconnect and disagreement comes from the woman in question. Most women (like most humans) don't deserve your care. Don't give a fuck about those people. They're in your life for however long they're good for. And it's fair to generalize, give a fuck about nobody but yourself. Overall you'll do far better than if you cared about everyone.

Sometimes you'll meet someone who might benefit from a little targeted care. Not your everlasting undying devoted love; your care. This is someone who has legit done something kind or generous for you without expecting something in return, or shown genuine gratitude for something you have done for them.

Side note: if you did something for them with the expectation that you would get something for it, you're not ready yet. Improve yourself some more.

At this point you have an opportunity to start a different kind of relationship. Doesn't need to be exclusive (better that it isn't), devoted, long-term, none of that shit. Think of a relationship in terms of trust, effort, and reward. This is a relationship that is trusting with little effort and lots of reward for both of you.

Lots of trusting relationships are high-effort. Any suspicious exclusive relationship is this kind. Business is full of this. Trust, but verify. Lots of trusting relationships are low-effort and low-reward as well. People you meet in your hobbies, for example.

Most BP relationships are high-trust involuntarily. Think about the average marriage: you have no choice but to trust that your partner doesn't wake up one day, find someone more attractive, and decide to fuck the rest of your life up.

What you want (and what makes an ideal FWB) is a high-trust, low-effort, high-reward relationship. Low effort doesn't mean no effort. High trust doesn't mean blindness. Doesn't mean tying yourself down. You observe, judge, and assert right and wrong. You keep improving yourself. They prove themselves bad, you leave, no skin off your back. You still have to be the leader in the relationship.

Again, don't be exclusive. Your time is a finite resource, and is yours alone to give. Get something back of equal value for what you put in. Most of the time, the only way is to put that time into self-improvement. But sometimes, rarely as fuck, you do meet someone worth putting a little time into.

So put a little time into them, see where it goes, and you might end up finding a great FWB.

Emphasis: the vast, vast, vast majority of people are not this sort of person. Don't confuse sweetness, shyness, or innocence for a true good personality. Most girls you meet are capable of being sweet, shy, and innocent. That counts for nothing. What you are looking for is gratitude and appreciation for what you do.

That's the difference between a fuckbuddy and a FWB. The first, you get sex from. The second, you also get other things humans are great at providing. Baked goods, food, company, activity partner, introductions to other people.

[–]circlhat3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

if you did something for them with the expectation that you would get something for it, you're not ready yet. Improve yourself some more.

Completely off topic, random, and very blue pill. Wanting something is not expecting something, and you can walk away.

Women don't suffer from this cultural disease that men do. I had women tell me they are feeling used, I told them just because they cook,clean, bought me things doesn't mean I owe them anything.

Of course this wasn't the point, she was feeling like the relationship was uneven and it was, and her friends,family, girlfriend all agreed with her. And guess what she was right, I wasn't a good boyfriend and she had a real support system that valued her.

Men on the other hand would be told they aren't entitled to anything and to improve themselves and give without wanting anything in return.

My point is everyone wants something in return and they have every right to seek out what they want, blue pill narrative has a huge double standard in that seeking something means you aren't genuine ,

[–]freudianSLAP points points [recovered] | Copy

Agreed, I used to not give any fucks. And it was fun and empowering for sure to spin plates and not give them the time of day. Especially when I used to be the one that gets walked over. But I enjoy seeing my partner flourish when I support and care about them. I'm really into BDSM too and I've found that dynamic has gotten way more fun and intense as I balanced out the aggressive with a more nurturing side of myself. Caring and being supportive is fine if your SMV can afford it.

[–]Rawrination2 points3 points  (10 children) | Copy

I hear ya as a fellow person into the more fun things in life (bdsm).

But I'm in chronic pain and disabled to the point that going after girisl is more trouble than its usually worth for me.

Still trying to figure out how to raise my smv over the long term.

Getting laid is fairly easy. LTR are much harder to do well.

[–]freudianSLAP points points [recovered] | Copy

That blows, do you have fibromyalgia?

[–]Rawrination0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy

Yes. Also a few spine injuries and other lesser disabilities.

[–]freudianSLAP points points [recovered] | Copy

So a friend of mine has fibro as well and I badgered him to get on testosterone replacement therapy because I had a distant memory of a white paper that looked at fibro pain reduction from TRT. He finally agreed though I got him on 500mg test a week which is more like a bodybuilding dose. He's almost a month in. Said his pain is is not noticeable anymore and he has more energy than he's ever had in his life.

Obviously data point of 1 with God knows how many conflicting variables. But something to consider. If nothing else you'll get jacked easier ;)

[–]Rawrination2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy

Thanks for the idea! Thats not something I would have ever thought to try.

Most of my issues are from spine damage. The fibro is a side effect of all this shit I've gone through more than its own thing.

[–]RPBulletDodger0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If there was ever a singularly identified problem with this sub, this comment and it's upvoted numbers are it in fucking spades.

Truly sickening to see this many "Red Pilled" men with such little self-worth.

[–]haywire20 points21 points  (0 children) | Copy

What is sex to you? Is it some sort of mental conquest you have gained or an actual connection between you and another person? I've had meaningless sex and meaningful sex...people care about people they care about and fucking with someone that you have a connection with is far better. Of course it's good to be confident and have options, but allowing yourself to fall into, at least in a moment, with a person is the most amazing thing.

[–]Schroef points points [recovered] | Copy

don't discuss your problems

Absolute bull. If you want an actual adult relationship with a woman, you need to actually talk to her.

use mild dread


never ask for permission to do anything

Well, obviously. You don't ask your friends for permission to go get a drink when you're at a game, or your parents or your colleagues.

What you can do, however, is take the other persons wants into consideration. As you would do with your buddies. Again, I would say it's pretty essential that you do if you want an adult relationship.

and for fuck sakes don't feel guilty about any of it.

Trying to control your feelings is one of the dumbest thing you can do- because you can't. So you're gonna be frustrated and beat yourself up over it.

A better approach is to accept your feelings, and control your actions.

[–]Eat_Animals5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

You're in the wrong sub if you don't understand or accept anything he just said.

[–]IGoYouStayTwoAutumns24 points25 points  (2 children) | Copy

if women and I enjoyed sex the most if I treated them, as I perceived it, like worthless pieces of fuckmeat, then something must have been wrong.

Absolutely. Women WANT to be treated like worthless pieces of fuckmeat. If you don't treat them that way, it's a disservice to you both. And furthermore, if you can't manage to give them what they want and need (the fuckmeat treatment), they'll go and find someone who will. Instantly. And then tell you all about it over lunch (that you're buying) the very next day. (Insert cringe-inducing flashbacks to my Blue Pill past here...)

Took me a while to get this place (of non-caring), but now that I'm here, I've realized that, for women, THIS IS ACTUALLY HOW YOU SHOW THAT YOU CARE (by not-caring). Talk about paradox.

Still, I can't unsee what I've seen, now, and I'm never going back.

[–]FAT_BOSMA5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm confused. Outside sex, they think you care if you don't show that you care. I understand not being overly nice, but not caring!!! Please elaborate, you probably have a better understanding and I wanna learn more.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (1 child) | Copy

Exactly..."good" guys use a false sense of morality to hide their weakness.

The guy who goes out and meets women on Friday and does so without giving a fuck is the REAL good guy. Why? Because he's embracing life and living it to the fullest. He has energy and drive and wants to live. These are the types of people you want to surround yourself with. These are the types of guys women want and respect.

The "nice guy" may claim he's above gaming women...but what's he doing on Friday night? How is he adding value? He better be doing something pretty fucking cool like designing rockets or some shit. If he's just sitting at home wasting away in front of the TV - then guess what - he (the nice guy) is the negative one. He's the one not embracing life and who is holding himself and others back.

Nature wants you to be a masculine driven dude full of life. Those are the good guys.

[–]youngSvenVanderwater4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Hmmm I found this helpful kind of points out where I fucked up here recently.. I'm very familiar with TRP but new to applying it to the field

[–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

WHEYMEN. Exactly my experience in recent months. This is the way the things were supposed to be.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

The rag doll approach has always worked great for me too.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

I didn't necessarily subscribe to TRP when I learned to seduce women, but I would say it started to work under similar circumstances. I stopped caring what she thought about me and as a follow through didn't care about her after. That was the point that I started to actually get dates on the regular. Before that, when I was looking for someone to care for and spend time with, I went years and years with no dates at all.

[–]Shaman66242 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

I have to go even further then maybe. Idk. I already powerfuck her. Decide the positions. Call her slut, grab her throat, slap her face etc. But I still think I'm a decent human being. Also she has 'limits' (like calling her a slut it took me a long time to not have her burst out in tears when I called her that) and because on the one hand I know women like you to do what you want. On the other hand it just feels like rape if I do it (go over her limits) and the results have never been good. For example she always gets indignant and sad when I slap her ass when we're at her parents or when I say I want blowjobs every other day because she feels that I don't respect her boundaries.

I don't know if I'm doing something specific wrong or if she really doesn't want it. Anyway still building my smv so if it's me it should sort itself.

[–]robotghow1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

If she's consistent about it, you should try to respect her boundaries.

[–]Nachosleaze2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Sounds like the only sex you've ever had

[–]mwobuddy1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I've always been a romantic at heart. Even after swallowing the pill, I used to think that a baseline of "decency" was not only moral but necessary. That's not just not true, but a sad limiting belief that hurts you both: you do not understand decency while you're still thinking like that.

Its like this great fairy tale cultural lie. At least in the western world where people are truly out for themselves.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You guys worry when you fuck? What? The only time I felt worried or nervous was the time I lose my virginity...after that sex was sex. It felt natural and no rush. We fucked until orgasm. No rush. Started slow and deep and then move full on. Alot of foreplay helps. Touching, oral, and cuddling.

[–]DontTreadOnSnek1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

On a similar note, I had a thought recently - mainly that men derive orgasm, and therefore pleasure, on their own terms. We're biologically hard-wired to desire fucking a genetically pleasing woman who will bear children most capable of survival and extend the species. In other words, you nut because you want to, and it feels good for you, the woman be damned.

On the other hand, women are hard-wired to orgasm as a means to increase the probability of production, on the man's terms. Women obviously want to fuck Chad with the genetically pleasing traits such as large muscle or idgaf attitude, as we already know on this sub. Therefore, women derive orgasm, and therefore their own pleasure, whenever a man is also enjoying himself, and especially when he's about to nut.

Therefore, fuck trying to please a woman. Please yourself, and the rest will follow.

I've noticed this with my recent FWB, she always seems to have full body seizures from cumming whenever she thinks I'm about to blow my load inside her.

[–]iamneptuno2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Women obviously want to fuck Chad with the genetically pleasing traits such as large muscle or idgaf attitude, as we already know on this sub.

And how very convenient that those attractive "genetic" traits can be changed; but then again, if it was something like height or facial symmetry, that would've meant the world wasn't fair, which of course can't be, "as we already know on this sub".

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Those do matter as well, but the changeable things matter because they indicate to the women that you have drive and self-respect, which are alpha qualities.

[–]ransay32770 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Guys... Take this in. A lot of red pill truth here. The biggest weapon in your arsenal is IDGAF! The person in the relationship (whatever type it is.) who cares less controls it.

[–]AragorntheMighty0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I really wish i could, so much so that i almost need to now. But at my current state, I just can't take action. Its like I'm paralyzed.

[–]casemodsalt points points [recovered] | Copy

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor4 points5 points  (12 children) | Copy

Were you preparing for a boxing match? Ug.

I get busy

IF you can't get away with ignoring, that's the most you say.

[–]casemodsalt3 points4 points  (11 children) | Copy

Tldr I'm trying to be an asshole. Because I don't care anymore

I've only known her maybe...6 months?

She sends me 2 stupid instagram memes and some snapchat of her in the drive through at some fast food place. This is her way of contacting me and trying to get me ask her to hang out, without out actually looking interested or whatever. She made no effort to contact me all weekend other than the stupid memes and snap.

Then as sunday hits, tries to act like it's all my fault that she didn't have the balls to ask to hang out. I'm not going to always be the one that shows interest or puts effort in. Half the time she claims she's busy...even though she doesn't work. Plus, I've been bugging her since Wednesday to hang out. I stopped trying on Friday, when she (probably) made up some stupid story about her dog.

I'm trying to ghost her at this point. Not really working. Now I'll be an asshole and either get her as my fuck doll or get her to fuck off. Either one is fine tbh.

no car

no job

lives at home

Oh yeah and I have to pick her up at her house and then drop her back off. She got dropped off here once. That's it.

[–]1Metalageddon10 points11 points  (3 children) | Copy

The key is, you're trying to be an asshole.


You're not just being. People can sense trying. You're still living in her Sphere because your actions are dictated by her.

Get this through your head and just do what you want without regards. Do you want to be cruel? Fine. Accept the consequences. Do you want to do your own thing? Also fine, accept the consequences. Are you only trying to do something because of the impression she will take? Then you're not fine, she's still dictating your actions. Just at this point, no one is happy.

For the future, you could answer with well I'm free at 11 if you want to find out. Wear green.

If she shows up, fuck her good. If not, ignore until there's logistics on the table.

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Mods, a point for this man.

[–]casemodsalt0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I am much worse without trying. I made her cry several times, according to her, without trying.

I'm trying to make it tactical.

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

I've learned that it's just how women are sometimes - too passive to make the move and lie in waiting "hoping" the man takes the initiative. So I guess she's one of those. If she's sending memes (funny ones?) at least she's probably got a sense of humor.

But I definitely get your point about her acting like it was your fault.

I don't know man, if she's worth it maybe be playful with her and ask her when you think she's wanting it. But I can see getting tired of it so I totally understand. I'm guessing the sex/her body isn't so fantastic you can't do without it, ha ha.

[–]Askada2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Your problem is you have an expectation of her, that she will initiate meeting. This is wrong. And the tone of your post can suggest that it makes you bitter and angry. I know because I've been the same.

You can't change her actions in the long run, but you can manage your expectations. You are doing what you want, she is doing what she wants, you are not obliged to respond to her snaps or whatever.

However, you are the one who initiates meetings when YOU want it. You are the one who picks things to do, the things YOU want to do. YOU are the one picking where you eat, WHERE and WHEN you hang out etc. You are the one leading. It just doesn't work the other way and there is shitload of good, informative posts about polarity of relatioship.

You may not like it, you may not be comfortable with it because you are not creative enough, or just running out of ideas, or it's nice to be passive that one time, or whatever is the reason. But it doesn;t change the fact that it's your job. Her job is being ready when YOU want it. And being nice, respectful and playful. Whats and whens are not her job. She should always (unlike we, women will change their plans if they want it) be ready for you, if she is not then look for another option.

Some woman will be more eager to initiate things, other not so much, but it's still your job to make the final decision.

This is just theory. Want an honest opinion on the girl you described? She is just keeping you as an orbiter.

[–]casemodsalt0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I don't think I'm just an least I wasn't before...boned her on the second date, pretty much started with her just coming over to watch movies or getting food and then her coming over for a movie and boning the shit out of her then cuddling. She would constantly spend the whole weekend with me but it recently stopped. She used to constantly text me "good morning handsome". Not anymore. Even when I try to tell her good morning beautiful, she will just reply with "morning". Seems like I'm forcing it and it's ran it's course. The pussy was good. I won't lie. And cuddling is nice.

Just move on now?

[–]Askada0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

it recently stopped

Not anymore

Seems like I'm forcing it

You answered your own question basically. Things were good, but not anymore. Trying to fix things is never worth it. Forcing it works the opposite. Yes, move on. You seem young, find another girl, and another after.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

too much pua tactic without underlying red pill internalization.

keep lurking

[–]Baconbitsthrowaway-4 points-3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Or instead of being a complete piece of shit, you could instead gain real confidence and achieve the same or superior end result with women.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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