[Mod] Make the community worth a fuck by not acting like a cunt.

redpillbanana · 2017-06-28T16:44:51+00:00

Thanks for putting this out there again. This message needs to be repeated over and over.

We really don't give a shit about your ego here, how popular you are, what you make, the kind of level you're at in society, the car you drive ad nauseam. We give a massive number of negative fucks about your real life, the only thing important to us when you come in here is your knowledge.

Much like there are no women on the internet, there are also no rich people/superstars/socialites/Ferrari drivers/special forces/etc.

I see many posts along the lines of, "I'm a big shot at Boeing with 20 years of corporate experience and I've been around the block and what you're saying is bullshit." This sort of claim can be made by anyone and it is worthless on its own. The only thing that matters here is how convincingly you can make your point and how well you can back up your arguments.

PillTheRed · 2017-06-28T20:57:32+00:00

I still see EC members here sort of abusing their power. I've seen GLO get in what seem to be, a pissing match with people, and then have them banned for standing up for themselves. I know I'm not the only one who has seen it happen. GLO has some fairly extreme views, and not everyone is going to agree with the ideals. I think they are worth discussing nonetheless. However, what I've seen on more than one occasion. I have seen GLO start insulting a user, and then when they insult back, get banned, on more than one occasion. I can't help but feel we may be banning otherwise good contributors to the sub, all because they got baited by the wrong EC. Nothing against GLO, I just don't want to see bans be handed out like on feminism sub. Where, any dissenting opinions are outright banned. We are better than that. Truth and facts stand on their own accord. We should be able to simply debate an SJW, and destroy them with objective facts and logic. Not, auto ban them, and never have the discussion with them. If we do that, other users don't get to see the discussion happen, where truth and facts prevail over emotion and failed narratives.

Incendior · 2017-06-28T18:26:58+00:00

Thanks for reiterating this. I recall surprised reactions for my peculiar idea of "you can be polite and be an alpha"

no_face · 2017-06-28T22:31:01+00:00

This is great:

Show a basic level of common decency to all posters Attack the opinion, not the poster

While I agree with the overall message, these seem contradictory:

this isn't a "safe space" for the weak

One more thing: do not talk shit to endorsed, senior endorsed and vanguards

I hope that the message is not that endorsed contributors delicate sensibilities need more protection than non-endorsed folks.

I hope we can disagree respectfully with anyone

I hope we call out contradictions and hypocrisy all the time.

sqerl · 2017-06-28T18:01:38+00:00

Come for the knowledge, stay for the growth, and leave the nest when you're ready to explore. The door is open unless you're a douche, then you're banned.

Have a great day.

reecewagner · 2017-06-28T22:08:26+00:00

Not a complaint but perhaps a suggestion - is there a true need for the "Field Report" option in this sub? Seems like simultaneously the biggest source of clutter and the easiest way for a newbie to overshoot their proverbial wad on a mediocre Saturday night story that would probably be better left for Seddit.

Just my two cents, I appreciate the work either way gentlemen.

niko22225 · 2017-06-28T21:22:02+00:00

I had this on my heart for so long.. I felt like some guys think here that they need to fill up a sentence with as many swears and insults to show everyone how alpha they are and how they DGAF.. It's cringeworthy

KnowBrainer · 2017-06-28T20:52:38+00:00

Guys neg girls to get sex. Guys who neg guys must be a little funny, if you know what I mean.

EvigSoeger · 2017-06-28T18:00:29+00:00

Straight from the Tao of Badass:

A 7 demonstrates social value through hostility, attempting to lower the value of perceived social competitors. An 8 demonstrates social value through competition, attempting to show greater value than percieved social competitors. A 9 or 10 demonstrates social value by sheer social dominance, raising the social value of those around him.

stankovic32 · 2017-06-29T03:13:26+00:00

Lmao, like talking shit about the endorsed contributor who bragged about dating an 18 year old significantly younger than him?

WhorehouseVet · 2017-06-28T17:28:59+00:00

Thanks for the post. I agree that there are a lot of pretenders out here trying to one up each other by calling names and attacking them personally. When that happens, no one learn a single thing, and the whole sub degenerates into "feelz before realz" shit show.

There are a lot of leechers who don't contribute except to shit on others.

TheLaughingRhino · 2017-06-29T13:09:56+00:00

Sometimes threads that don't seem useful to first glance get some interesting replies. Sometimes I skip or skim the actual original topic and go the replies, some of the replies have really interesting content.

As for endorsed guys, I've read stuff from endorsed guys that has really helped me, they word things and explain things in a easy to digest way that helps to formulate a concept in my head and how to apply it. I've also read stuff from endorsed guys where I've come to terms I'd rather just avoid that specific person, etc. I think endorsed guys will start to create conflict for themselves the more they push their individual brand and services in their posts. When no one can tell if you are trying to help someone or upsell someone, I think the objectivity is hard to gauge. Will not begrudge anyone for trying to make a living or expand their reach, I do think it's a complicated consideration.

If I go out in the world and engage people, and I meet a truly great person/friend, who inspires me, and it's a ratio of like 1/1000, then I see the 999 other people as the cost of doing business.

I've learned a ton here and it's made me a better person, a better version of me, but that wouldn't happen if I didn't accept that 99 percent of it won't help me/doesn't appeal to me. And that's OK too, what doesn't appeal to me can help someone else, maybe.

Structurally, it might help to sticky a thread at AskTRP or use it's sidebar to allow content providers to update their own brand or upsell in a strategic way. This way if people want to use their services, it's there for them, they can earn a living or a side money or whatever and it's not as aggressive in the general areas.

Just my 2 cents here. Thanks.

Roaring40sUK · 2017-06-29T08:23:59+00:00

One more thing: do not talk shit to endorsed, senior endorsed and vanguards - chances of you being kicked out for trying to be an edgy fuckwit with these guys is about 99.9%.

Can I respectfully request, therefore that the guys you mention, lead by example. Almost all do, but not all.

If we truly want to make a valuable contribution to men, then the rules have to be observed by all, in my view.

Z33ger · 2017-06-28T18:02:09+00:00

Attack the opinion, not the poster

Exactly! Everybody dies but ideas live forever. We are documenting history.

[deleted] · 2017-06-28T20:10:55+00:00

Something something toxic masculinity.

DeathToTheZog · 2017-06-29T06:01:06+00:00

Encouraging our brothers, even if you think their lifting routine, diet, etc is not up to your par, so what? They are trying, struggling, and reaching out for support.

We need to be there for eachother, and while not being princesses about the shit, should NOT be hen pecking over the little things.

Wish you all good dedication, and desire to lift!

42galaxy · 2017-06-29T13:21:17+00:00

Thank you for posting this. I just joined Reddit 4 days ago and started reading this community, and I am shocked by all the negativity directed at original posters. Too many comments like, "you're a cuck, you're such a Beta." It is really off-putting. Guys we're all in this together. It's not a pissing contest.

OSaraiva · 2017-06-28T17:28:40+00:00

Whenever there are crap brag or needy posts in the first page, you can expect crap answers as well. As a forum increases in popularity that is bound to happen, i see it as a consequence of success. Enforcing the rules and educating should help a lot.

Thanks for your work.

throwaway_hiya · Wed Jun 28 21:46:49 2017 UTC

Has there been a big shift in how this place is run? Because not terribly long ago I saw a guy say that a girl who behaves as you wish "may be a keeper."

Archwinger immediately attacked the guy and accused him of oneitis. He calmly (and correctly) pointed out "No, I said she may be A keeper, not THE ONLY ONE WORTH KEEPING."

Yet Archwinger behaved like a total douchebag exactly as you are now saying people shouldn't behave around here.

He went on and on and insulted the guy up and down while putting words in his mouth.

I wrote to the guy and said "You're right, some girls are keepers. That doesn't mean there's only one worth keeping and it doesn't mean you can't replace her with another keeper."

He screenshotted how Arch had banned him after getting the last word. Pretty cowardly of Archwinger.

Has that changed or do other mods like Archwinger still engage in this very same behavior you claim is verboten?

batfish55 · 2017-06-29T01:01:52+00:00

We really don't give a shit about your ego here, how popular you are, what you make, the kind of level you're at in society, the car you drive ad nauseam. We give a massive number of negative fucks about your real life, the only thing important to us when you come in here is your knowledge.

Really? Even from the point of view of Look what I have! Look what I do! Look at ____! You can have this too, if only you live RP!

That aside, I'm not so sure the mods here want differing opinions from believers who want to contribute.

I joined up 3-4 years ago. I think there were around 13k subscribers when I found this brotherhood. Since then, I'm sorry to say, it's kinda gone far too pussy-focused, and not as self-improvement-focused as it used to be.

"OK asshole, then post the shit you'd like to see. Be a man. Quit bitching like a woman, and DO the things that you want to SEE done. The stuff that you think contributes in a positive manner."

A fair point. The thing is....I've done that. From time to time, I wax philosophical. Deep thoughts. Ponderings and musings that seem, to me at least, to draw parallels between RP truths and other ideas. Things that help make this whole RP thing make sense to those who just found it.

And then I posted them. Well-written, thought out, no agenda other than trying to contribute. Not denigrating, not telling a poster they're a confused piece of shit. Certainly not boasting. Think about a buddy of yours that gets stoned and starts off with "Hey maaaaan....didja ever notice...." but then, instead of dopey shit, he's kinda making sense? Yea. I've written stuff like that. I wrote an extensive post sometime back, like, years, about men and women and dogs and cats. Went on for a while. I thought I had attacked the subject from all angles. Posted it.

And it gets deleted before it even hits the page. That wasn't the first or last time. But after a few of those....man, I just stopped trying.

I agree with you about not flaming endorsed posters. 9 times out of 10, I strongly agree with them.

But it seems, more often than not, that those are the only posters whose thoughts are allowed to be posted.

I know a place like this needs to be moderated to keep BP and fem trolls from overwhelming the MAN-focued conversation....but if you're squashing posts like mine, that mean well, that come from a thought out place....you're killing some good ideas. At least IMO.

Overall, if you don't let True Believers make their voices heard, even if they are brand new or don't know what they're talking about....they're going to stop posting. They're not going to spread the word. We will have less of a voice. We will remain a closeted group that scuttles about in the shadows. No one will ever take us seriously. (Since I tend to wobble between RP and MGTOW anyway, this only kinda of makes me sad for what RP could be)

And now, let's see if this comment gets modded out. Or, hopefully, addressed in a positive manner.

MentallyWill · 2017-06-29T12:26:45+00:00

This is the first TRP post I've read in a while and accurately sums why I stopped visiting -- it was devolving into a cesspool of unhelpful bullshit. Thank you mods for fighting the good fight and I'll try to help you identify the trash that needs to be taken out back.

Dogopus18 · 2017-06-28T18:28:00+00:00

Jesus Christ are you having a bad day or something? You've posted 3 times in the past 2 hours and they're all bitter, profanity-filled rants about how bad the people in this subreddit are.

annuncirith · 2017-06-29T03:19:21+00:00

It boggles my mind that this even needs to be spelled out. Are we not all legally adults here?

Great post, I laughed and I agree. No time for dick-waving, we're here to improve.

RememberingAlpha · 2017-06-29T13:39:48+00:00

I can't up vote this enough.

THE_StrongBoy · 2017-06-29T17:08:47+00:00

All I have to say about this is there are a lot of people posting who really need to just shut the fuck up and listen and read

iwasbornred · 2017-06-28T16:43:50+00:00

I agree with the sentiment of this post.

I will admit I've definitely started insulting people in comment chains though. Usually provoked, but still.

We should be discussing important concepts, not the quality of any particular individual.

Contiello · 2017-06-29T02:15:35+00:00

I'm not exactly great with analogies, so I'm gonna ask a stupid question: Crab bucket?

NaughtyFred · 2017-06-28T18:36:10+00:00

Like most negative things about this sub what you've ranted about here is created by trp itself. That's the real issue with trp that no-one acknowledges, apply it to it's logical conclusion in a group and people and the result is degradation, not creation. A downward spiral is inevitable because that is the nature of trp.

Want actionable advice? Cull at least 40% of subscribers. Start with me. I've browsed for 3 years. Nothing else I can learn this place.

aigamithite · 2017-06-28T19:49:55+00:00

The problem is that we blame women for being solipsistic, but at the same time, those who are not fully unplugged, are solipsistic themselves. There are people that get angry over x, y, z post, because it comes in direct conflict with their emotions and/or social programming. This is natural and totally understandable. It is also something that needs to be culled if you want to move to the next step.

Put yourself in the other person's shoes; does he have the same experiences? More? Less? Could I benefit from applying it? If not, why did it work for the other guy and would not work for me? Doesn't it feel better, both for myself, and the other person, to provide helpful criticism so that in the future that person can hold himself up to a certain standard and post better?

In this community we keep talking about trying and failing over and over and over again. But no one can move forward just with failures; there always has to be at least one success. Same with a strong father figure; the father punishes bad behavior, but he also rewards good behavior. Instead of saying "This post is garbage go die", why not say "Hey man you could have done a better job by doing x, y, z". To which one would you react better as a red pilled man?

Peace and happiness be upon us all

mallardcove · 2017-06-28T19:36:08+00:00

I don't mind getting negged from those within the community, its the ones who I can not tell are TRP or not who come in and say "You red pillers are idiots and wannabee alphas, you are fake, here is how you really do it <insert blue pill/purple pill nonsense here>"

Generally if their "advice" goes against what I see written by more respected, senior members around here(i.e. Rollo) I dismiss them as blue pill trolls or TRPers with lightspeed hamsters who believe their ways are superior to the ways pioneered by the senior members here.

NikoMyshkin · 2017-06-29T12:11:37+00:00

This post nails the reason why I was coming here less. So glad it's being addressed.

MrGudmoore · 2017-06-29T17:01:11+00:00

If someone on the internet is hurting your feelings you're quite obviously not an alpha, nor are you redpilled.

Your feelings do not get to censor others. Fucking cucks.

10211799107 · 2017-06-29T17:35:58+00:00

Linked to asktrp in my comment and it got auto removed. My bad. Here's my comment without the asktrp link.

Appreciate the post. It's been about 4yrs of improving and my life is a total 180. I wanted to write a post and give my notes on what worked for me in my LTR of 3yrs, and then we hit the shit. I believe I could've handled the weight gain better during the last months.

Thinking I have my shit together, I doubted myself and asked advice in asktrp. Quickly got good insights and realized how my emotions got in the way of my objectivity. I feel like an idiot for slipping one step back and asking an embarrassing question that has such an obvious answer. Not ready to post I realized.

circlhat · 2017-06-29T21:24:44+00:00

I think this /u/Chadtheslayer said it best

I am going to confess, I am frustrated. Not at the people here that aren't succeeding in life but the posters that come in here and make posts such as "there is more to life than sex" or "getting girls is so overrated, your life should be so much more than that". Now a while back, one of you mods said that this is a sub about sexual strategy. IMO, if I wanted advice on fitness, career, and other things, I would go to sites that center around that advice. What I expect when I come to this sub is a way where guys like me can talk about topics relevant to us based on what this sub says. We're not going to get married young or start a family early in our lives but a lot of us, we're out of college where we don't have that built in social circle and opportunities to do things like have an active social life along with meeting women. Now let me remind you, having social value is a big part of attracting some of the better looking women. I want to talk more about being that cool bachelor that parties, makes decent money, has cool friends, and occasionally gets laid. The issue is, I can't really do that without some neckbeard coming in with the bullshit of "you put too much value into sex, the Dalai Lama never had sex and look at how fucking awesome he is". As a long time reader of the material here, I sincerely believe that because of people like that who have stormed into this sub and made it their personal growth journal, the sub has lost its meaning in terms of quality. Quite frankly, I want to talk action. I want to talk about cool side gigs you can have to help your social life and meet women. Fun things you can do to raise your SMV and attract people in general, not just lifting weights and eating right either. Great cities for a red pill bachelor because location fucking matters. It's like here I am trying to engage with a community of cool guys on cool topics and along comes a group of guys who have a major issue with us talking about meeting people, meeting women, and enjoying life. They always come in with bullshit saying that "social life is overrated, go monk mode" or say generic nonsense advice like "hay bro, have game, the rest will work itself out".

LordThunderbolt · 2017-06-30T16:33:04+00:00

Peace and love for everybody y'all.

lakesidelife · 2017-06-28T20:17:49+00:00

June 28, 2017... the day TRP became a safe space. I really do appreciate finding this sub and especially for the side bar... but this place is truly gravitating more and more towards the lowest common denominator. TRP should focus more on creating high value men... but the recent focus has been on catering to be lowest rungs of the male hierarchy. This should be a competitive and hardline community... anything else would be a disservice. People are so fucking weak nowadays that they need a cold slap in the face. Otherwise any thing you say to them in "productive" manner will be nothing but intellectual masterbation.

TRP needs to be about creating Alphas... not about converting complete social retards into partial social retards.

We need less "...thanks TRP! bc of you guys I literally said hello to a person with a vagina.. and she said hi back! It was a crazy weekend!" OR "hell yes! I can do ten push ups now!"

We need more "...thanks TRP! I just built and sold my third multi million dollar revenue producing company!" or "I just set a national power lifting record!"

Why is the 48 Laws pushed in the side bar? It seems that it out of place for the current direction that TRP is taking. That kind of material is way too ambitious when it seems all we want to do is take socially retarded computer nerds and make them into having an average social intelligence.

pbgswd · 2017-06-28T18:35:40+00:00

Thank you for this. I had a real nice thread from my post recently. There was a little bit of bragging about the bitches and the clubs and that is shit that nobody cares about. The neg feeback was here and there but not overwhelming. I got some comment at the end that was like 'thanks I should talk to my dad more', I wasnt sure if it was /s or not. All in all it was a positive experience doing a write up on TRP.

aanarchist · 2017-06-28T22:17:31+00:00

proof that the 80-20 rule is real when you have to tell the red pill community to not be faggots to each other

BigFllagelatedCock · Wed Jun 28 18:25:10 2017 UTC

Do you have to fucking use fuck in every fucking sentence or a fucking insult for that matter?

Title	[Mod] Make the community worth a fuck by not acting like a cunt.
Author	PaperStreetVilla
Upvotes	776
Comments	163
Date	28 June 2017 04:03 PM UTC (3 years ago)
Subreddit	TheRedPill
Link	https://theredarchive.com/post/44344
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/6k1iot/mod_make_the_community_worth_a_fuck_by_not_acting/

[Mod] Make the community worth a fuck by not acting like a cunt.

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