My female housemate and her Sugar Daddies

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November 10, 2017

These events unfolded 2.5 years ago now, although it seems like yesterday.

So I needed someone to fill the spare room in my apartment as I was paying crazy rent money for a 2 bedroom in Sydney city.

I meet this girl on Tinder, she's 22, from Germany staying in a hostel, great tits and body, fairly nice face. The night we meet, our friends with benefits relationship begins, I tell her I'm not looking for a girlfriend and I have 2-3 other women in my life that I bring around on a regular basis.

Anyway I get desperate to find a good housemate over the current weeks, so I let her take the room for short term (3 months). Which results in a weird situation where we're both seeing other people, but sharing a bed and fucking every now and then on the weekdays when we're both busy with work... as well as including her in FFM threesomes. At the time, a TRP advocate, follower and reader... I felt like my life was pretty much perfect.

Anyway she announces one day that she's read about a website for matching chicks with rich dudes... and she was poor, not enough hours working at a bar in the city, on basically minimum wage, she was stressed, so she starts thinking about signing up.

I said it's pretty gross, but do what you have to do to pay the rent.

Anyway, a few weeks go by, and she eventually does it for a whole weekend, earns $3000 cash. And has the next few Friday nights booked out with a guy in the rich eastern suburbs, who was semi retired early with a family, but the family is usually away.

She confides in me about the family photos on his walls, and how he explains that he loves his wife, but she fulfills his needs etc.

Now, the moment I see she's now a hooker, while amused at her mental gymnastics to tell herself otherwise...I tell her no more sex.

And she's somewhat offended by this, our relationship is slightly altered... but we remain friends and she continues to feel she can speak frankly with me... She also happened to be an excellent wing women when we'd catch up from time to time after work.

Then comes, we'll call him Bevan .

Bevan comes from California, Bevan is 34 years old, greying hair, but a youthful personality... he had been travelling with her before Sydney unbeknownst to me, and he had flown to see her, I had no idea about him til he arrived, but the guy it turns out was in love with her. She liked him, but found him too clingy, but strung him along for his trip to see her before flying back to california.

She stressed that he must never know about the sugar daddies.

She continues to run her new venture into tax free prostitution... which I was barely keeping up to date with as I was busy with work and staying at a Syrian/british girls house I'd met on Tinder most of the week...

Anyway Bevan flies back home, only to tell housemate that he'd like to pay for her flight to california to stay with him for 2 weeks and be his date for his family members wedding in Tahoe.

She accepts, free flights to the USA! But here's where it gets amusing, she's now on a bunch of sugar daddy websites, and lines up 2 guys in Vegas, and a trip on a luxury Yacht, where she has to fuck a bunch of old rich guys over the course of a week somewhere off the coast of California Presumably... which paid $15000.00

Anyway, she'd moved out of my apartment at this stage, but was still telling me in her german accent 'how crazaaaay the money is, and how fun it is'.

I test her on multiple occasions throughout this, "What would Bevan say, if he knew.".

She says "Don't be a fucking asshole, I'm telling you this in, how do you say... confidence?" in her strong german accent.

She gets on her flight.

And I get on Facebook.

I was new to TRP at the time, and still processing how good life can be when you just follow your balls and instinct regardless of the rules society expects of you...

I message the guy, and I tell him that it took me a long time, to decide whether I should tell him, as I was reading a lot of comments on line suggesting that I should stay out of it... but I couldn't in good conscience keep it from him a day longer, so I tell him about what she's been doing...

I tell him about her other plans, and why she was extending her trip to 'travel by herself around the USA' after seeing him.

The message was sent, and I go to bed as it was late and I had work the next day... knowing that while I slept she was on her flight to cali-forn-I-A expecting to be picked up by Friendzoned Bevan.

I check my messages in the morning, not sure how he would take it.

Sure enough, he writes:


Dude! Thanks for the heads up, yea I already suspected something strange was up and this confirms it. It's worse than I thought...

She and I need to talk.


I'm relieved he took it that way, as I was afraid he was going to redirect his anger at me somehow...

Anyway 2 things happened, she never spoke to me again. Fair enough! And Bevan never went to pick her up at the airport.

I felt a little bad that Karma got her for deceiving Bevan as it was true that I appreciated her honest chat, but I had simply asked myself... would I want to know if my women of interest was secretly a whore? Yes I would.

Karma in my opinion.

Bros before hoes.

I also learnt that I'd never have a female housemate like that again. And I suspect she learnt that she shouldn't have told me her plans.

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Title My female housemate and her Sugar Daddies
Author Wolveryn
Upvotes 708
Comments 297
Date 10 November 2017 01:54 AM UTC (3 years ago)
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[–]djmcwhite344 points345 points  (69 children) | Copy

Pretty common nowadays, know so many girls with “no job” that travel and somehow drop on designer bags on the reg. It’s so obvious what is going on.

[–]Wolveryn 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

So true, you see the glamorous side of it on Instagram.

[–]Throwawaysteve123456125 points126 points  (18 children) | Copy

Exactly. The amount of pseudo prostitution that occurs from, Instagram , is truly impressive. Lol

[–]TheDeadlyZebra27 points28 points  (15 children) | Copy

It's not really pseudo prostitution. I think there are legitimate laws being broken, but chasing the paper trail is too difficult for average law enforcement efforts, and too little reward

[–]Dragon_Garoo3 points4 points  (13 children) | Copy

Report her to IRS or whatever the equivalent is. You know she's not claiming that $$. Even if the prostitution is legal (which it is in many jurisdictions) the tax avoidance is not. Once they get a whiff of someone making serious money, they'll go full court press on all her accounts.

[–]youngzari5 points6 points  (9 children) | Copy

How do you benefit from snitching?

[–]Dragon_Garoo1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy

You pay less taxes because they'll take what they owe the government? A lot of these hoes also take welfare/social assistance, and turn tricks on the side, living decent lifestyles from the 'gifts' they receive in cash and goods. It's obviously up to you, but I think a sense of civic duty and pride is something that has left our society, and is a reason why we're crumbling. Obviously, it's a personal choice. But why do you, as a man, slave away and pay your fair share, while others just suck away at the 'male tax'. It's a subject that's been discussed in the 'manosphere' and in the new-right as well, how so many men are going MGTOW and ending up just being the supporters of a gynocentric society; fatherless families, etc. Put it this way - if your boss was getting rich by not paying taxes, while you were still having to pay, would that seem right and fair to you? A cohesive society has rules and enforcement. Your call.

[–]youngzari0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

I don’t agree with your boss analogy. “She’s” not my boss, so it doesn’t directly effect me. Although I understand what you’re saying, I’d just charge it to the game. Snitching is snitching, I don’t see it benefiting me in this particular situation. Life isn’t fair you just gotta keep it moving and find what’s for you. This is snitching, sir.

[–]GoRedBad 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

How do you benefit from not snitching?

[–]youngzari0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

That question isn't worthy of an educated response. I'll just chalk this up as us both having different rule books. All the best.

[–]GIGANTIC_NIGGER_DICK0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

"a sense of civil duty and pride is something that has left our society oh, and is the reason why're are grumbling"


[–]celtiberian6661 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

You took this subreddit red bill, thats good.

But if you think about reporting someone to IRS, you're still on blue pill about governments.

[–]Dragon_Garoo0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Nah. Just red pill about karma.

My old man used to say: "What goes around, comes around."

If you're living a clean and moral life (by whatever your standards are) then you're good.

Society used to have a moral code. It's what made the west, the best. We punsihed those that broke the code. "White Guilt" used to be something that was directed at each other, in a way that made society stronger, more cohesive and adhered to the rules and guidlines of the day.

Today's 'anything goes' reaction to gynocentric feminism, has flipped the bit, put the Patriarchy on its head and allowed for decay across the economic and political spectrum.

The west was strong because we kept each other in check, bro code, mens clubs, women's circles, etc. We didn't need large standing armies or militia just to keep people from screwing each other over constantly.

Rome is burning. Laugh and eat grapes, Mr. Caligula.

Rome got strong after him, btw.

[–]fastnail11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

That's how the Arabs recruit girls to their sh*t on their face parties in Dubai.

[–]1Your_Coke_Dealer0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

There's a reason that TagTheSponsor exists

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock67 points68 points  (5 children) | Copy

"She look high class on the internet but she aint got shit she earn.

She got that bag from Juicy J

She got that ass from Rudi K.

Now your silly ass down on one knee, what the fuck man is you cray?

Deeeese Hooooooooes. They're for everybody.... Pass them all around they at every party. Don't bring your girl around there's just too much money. Man I love deese hoes."

  • Everybody by Juicy J

[–]Khannahk14 points15 points  (1 child) | Copy

Rappers like Juicy J are incredibly red pilled, lol.

[–]SlothOnRoids12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy

Ever since joining this sub like 4 years ago, it always blows my mind how many rappers just know the game without ever reading one sentence out of a book or logging in some forum. It's all just learning from life experiences. Juicy J is a perfect example.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

They were either previous thugs and/or once the fame hit, female nature revealed itself to them and every person they associate with on a regular basis.

[–][deleted] 54 points55 points  (16 children) | Copy

Some chick from my high school with big tits lives this lifestyle. She's honestly not even that hot. She's got an all right face and no ass.

Seems like a lot of desperate betas took the "I'm gonna make the most money I possibly can and then I'll just pay people to like me!" route. I mean in this day and age, maybe that was a smart thing to do. Make so much money you don't give a fuck about spoiling some thot, get laid, then let her be someone else's problem when you're done with her.

My cousin was in the same boat, she was using some harvard MBA for his money, going on fancy vacations, out to eat etc.. My cousin is not that attractive. She has a nice figure but her teeth are fucked up, she's got a white trash no filter personality and a single mom with two different baby daddies and welfare queen.

[–]ReddingtonsShitList34 points35 points  (14 children) | Copy

Fuck... How thirsty do you have to be to go for that???

[–][deleted] 26 points27 points  (13 children) | Copy

I KNOW RIGHT? white women are spoiled AF. That's why they keep crying to daddy patriarchy for more more more.

[–]MGTOWManofMystery18 points19 points  (7 children) | Copy

Not just white women do this -- plenty of Asian, Indian, Black, Mixed, Latina and other women are doing this. Just search one of those sugar dating sites like SeekingArrangements.

[–]OpiumDesVolkes8413 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

LOL on SeekingArrangements it is quite diverse. The whole spectrum of women are represented, even transgenders wanting a piece of the action. In fact white women are under represented on the site for their total population size. There seems to be a high number of Mixed women on the site.

[–]yoda35 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Is that site really popular? or is it only work in big cities? It seems like a lot fakes

[–]Wolveryn[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Seekingarrangements was one of the main sites my house mate used, I created a fake male sugar daddy account on it, spotted a brazillian girl I'd met on Tinder also... I originally thought they were fakes until I looked into it further...

Average every day girls are using it, and they're not embarrassed about it either. I'd say 25% of the girls studying in Sydney city have either used it, or have at least created an account on it out of curiosity to see what their options are... I've spoken to a lot of really nice girls in my friends circles about it, I haven't met a single girl that didn't know about it, as it had been mentioned in womens magazines, womens forums, etc etc. Its extremely common now. If you meet a girl over 25 today, I'd say there's a high chance shes sold her body for sex at least once, and the more cute and innocent she is... the more likely.

[–]Dragon_Garoo2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

I know of at least 5 people personally that are (or have been) on that site. A couple are pretty/pro's that work in rub'n'tugs, the rest are pretty average 6 or 7's, and a couple are 3-4's. They talk about 'going to meet a friend' and shit like that. Yup. "Friends". It's amazing what guys will pay for, but then, they don't have any drama and aren't having to chase anyone. Just pay and play and done.

[–]TheNextMilo-2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy

It is true that a lot of women do it, and in fact yes, some of each ethnicity would do it but... Indian women often stay at home til around 20-22 and afterwards are shipped off to whoevers house they are marrying into... I wouldn’t say plenty.

[–]MGTOWManofMystery1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I was referring to women residing in North America on the SeekingArrangement Website.

[–]smirk_addict11 points12 points  (4 children) | Copy

I agree. No demographic of people, male or female, has it easier. Yet they are the most vocal feminist. Women are women, don’t get me wrong. But I’ve never heard a black or Hispanic woman talk about some belief in a gender wage gap or rape culture. Of course I’m just speaking from my small sample size.

[–]OpiumDesVolkes8410 points11 points  (3 children) | Copy

Agree. White women tend to be the most entitled and vocal feminists. Latinas are often more comfortable with traditional gender roles.

[–]Wolveryn[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is why (as a white man), I'd never recommend getting involved with a white women in a long term/marriage type relationship.

Maybe educated asian, Chinese, Japanese maybe Korean... or south American women... or russian/eastern european... not only are they waaaaay hotter, they're nicer human beings...

In the globalised world we're moving towards combined with the fact that asian women adore white men... I actually don't know why you'd waste your energy on an entitled feminist stroppy angry white girl.

[–]sbmale1986-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

I've seen women of all racial backgrounds, hopping on the feminism train.

[–]cherryCanSuckMyDick0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

-Eulogy for the 21st century society

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I know a girl that being with a divorced and current Law student wanted me to fuck her. The thing is that she's young, with a baby, and uses this cuck to travel and shit.

Glad I dodged that bullet.

[–]djmcwhite15 points16 points  (3 children) | Copy

Really think the last girl I dated was some kind of escort. Saw she was getting gifts & large amounts of money from “friends” dropped and went no contact real fast. Lesson learned: never date bottle service girls/bartenders.

[–]Drewbieee7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy

One time, a girl who I knew was a stripper/druggie (I was a bit of a druggie too, back then) clearly wanted my dick, so I went to her house for a long, long night of drug induced super fucking. We put on a movie an we’re starting to settle in when she pops up; her phone having buzzed, runs over to it, says “oh, ummm brb” runs out of the apartment. About 10-15 Later, she comes back with A FUCKIN GRAM OF HEROIN AND LIKE 600-700 IN CASH. Being that I’m not a fucking moron, I knew what was up, but I asked her to see how she would react. She told me that a “nice old man” just comes by randomly and gives her absurd amounts of Capital....for what, I ask? She says “oh nothing, we just talk/that’s gross/blah blah. Nope out of that shit

[–]Wolveryn[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Woah jeezus... I feel like this is a Field Report post in and of itself!

[–]Drewbieee4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

I mean that girl was a fucking train wreck. I swear to god, i fucked her in the garbage room of her apartment building the first date because her roommate was home. Then, roomie left, we went upstairs, chick shoots a massive shot of dope despite my warnings, and is like teetering on the edge of OD, lying on her back. I flipped that bitch over, took her phone, made her half conscious ass give me the code, took a pic of her and sent it to the room mate and said “I’m leaving in 5 minutes, she’s on her stomach and fucked up beyond belief or reason. I am not going to be here for whatever comes next, do what you will.” And then waited and left. Fuck that, man. I’m not going to prison over this suicidal junkie bitch. I have a lot of stories of this lunatic, honestly lol.

[–]DJ_Nade37 points38 points  (4 children) | Copy

An old high school friend of mine literally posts pics with the old guys and shit lmao. Everybody knows what's up but she doesn't give a fuck. More power to her I guess?

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy

Just sit and watch. You'll be laughing once she reaches the wall.

[–]fastnail3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yes, she is on the cock carousel...her epiphany moment awaits on her sexual decline.

[–]Dragon_Garoo0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I know one girl been working for as long as I've known her; posts stuff on FB like "Teach your daughter to get an education so she doesn't have to do this" (Pic of a hot girl with a fat old guy on the beach). Have literally seen her out with same. $.

[–]CSMastermind4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Seriously, I know a few girls that do this. One even got a guy to pay a house for her.

[–]pulsar910 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Always wondered how some girls travel so much and have no jobs at all!

Its clear now!

[–][deleted] 104 points105 points  (19 children) | Copy

I was out with this girl, walking around town. We were laughing and playing around, it was a good date, we'd just heard some live music from a local artist and shared a beer and a light dinner together. As we pass by a piano store, she gets this arch look on her face and proceeds to tell me a story. FIrst words out of her mouth were "I told you I was married twice, right?" I'm like in my head "no f-ing way you did" but I let it go on to hear what she was going to say.

She tells me about her first husband, how in love with her he was. He was a major corporate lawyer or something, and when their relationship was tanking, he wanted to show her he loved her, so he bought her a massive grand piano. SHe laughed about the gesture cynically, then told me that she sold the piano almost immediately afterward for like $10 grand. Took the money, then flew to Vegas with her brother and gambled it all away. She was chuckling and giggling the entire time she told me about this.

And I'm thinking to myself how savage she is. What an ungrateful person. For one, to do that to that guy. For another, to laugh about it. And for the third thing, what about that piano? That's a great piano!

REminds me of the time my biomom threw out all my biodad's furniture and clothing when she kicked him out of the house he bought and paid for, and tossed it off the second floor into a pile below, and set it on fire at night with some neighbor kids over to gloat over the blaze. Complete psycho. Now she hates me. Go figure

[–]FuckMichaelMcCoy68 points69 points  (7 children) | Copy

Its one thing to blow the money away on purses or other useless shit but she blew it on binge gambling.. pathetic.

She literally could have stashed that 10k and earned at least an ounce of respect from me. Bitches cant handle money, especially when it comes from a nasty icky beta.

[–]TheSebitti 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

That piano would have been worth over 80k. She’s an idiot.

[–]Adach23 points24 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yea that's what I was thinking, someone got a piano for a steal

[–]cherryCanSuckMyDick-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

who pays the price of a small house for a nice piano?

[–]PsyMonk-8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy

Man I'm so disgusted right now this comment section deserves a sidebar thread of its own......... NEVER MIX WOMEN & MONEY.

[–]fastnail4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

PsyMonk- " You lose money chasing women, but you never lose women chasing money"

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Rule of Acquisition Number 94:

Females and finances don't mix.

[–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (3 children) | Copy

Both those rotten cunts are gonna hit the wall hard.

Then joe the plumber, the good hardworking tax payer who just wants to live a good life, support his family, and be a good neighbor will foot the bill.

This is why there used to be witch hunts.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

When people feared God, this didn't used to happen frequently. Now it's the new normal. Degenerate and sad at the same time.

[–]fastnail0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Men pay for those bitches through hard work and toil.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yup just modern day serf-dom tbh..

[–]TheNextMilo7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

It breaks my heart when people don't see the value of a piano.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

True! I was thinking how I could work that into the post, but you said it.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock13 points14 points  (3 children) | Copy

Lol, only a loser would buy some girl a $10,000-$80,000 item and then to 'earn' her love on top of that. He deserved it. The dumb part was wasting it on Vegas instead of investing or starting a business venture.

[–]jiveraffe 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Here's the thing, I can understand the reasoning behind it. It's male logic: the person I love loves a thing, I will get them that thing because I love them. They will appreciate it.

It's male projection at its finest.

[–]NotACEOofAMajorBank 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Doing good things for people you love is not a bad thing. Treating people who love you like shit is; calling someone with good qualities a loser is arrogant.

[–]smirk_addict308 points309 points  (18 children) | Copy

You did that dude a solid. Sometimes it’s really hard to watch a woman fuck over a decent guy. Before learning more about women and coming here, I just couldn’t fathom the depraved and fucked up shit women do while still stringing a guy along like their something special. If it’s no detriment to you, I think it’s admirable stopping a guy from being a chump.

[–]FuckMichaelMcCoy102 points103 points  (11 children) | Copy

Im going to come in with a different POV here:

He shouldve never told Bevan. Why? First off, hes not a "bro." A bro is a friend, a homie, that you have bonded with. A stranger is not a bro. 99% of the time, these random stranger "bro"s will fuck your bitch without thinking twice.

He could have been a crazy beta. I dont need to name the type of stuff these guys are capable of doing. And last point: She could have flipped it on him for outting her in a dramatic fashion by stranding her in California. She could have accused him of rape, harassment, any bullshit she wanted.

Any woman who becomes a prostitute is an extremist. They are prone to and open to pulling the Rape CardTM on anyone. Why? They are not scared to exploit their female priviledge, they do it on the extreme end via escorting.

Risk all of this just to "save a bro" he never met. These guys gotta get smoked themselves to learn. He was a BetaBux so he needs to learn his lesson and evolve from it on his own. No handouts

[–]vwzwv53 points54 points  (1 child) | Copy

I personally wouldn't feel obligated to call the guy. That said, I'm calling BS. Anything you mentioned she could do, she could also do later, easier as they would be further involved.

[–]fuggboi_xd1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Difference being that in this case he gave her a pretty good reason to do it. Typically women don't do that out of the blue.

[–]cat-gun29 points30 points  (3 children) | Copy

Although no doubt some prostitutes have at times falsely accused men of rape, a working girl is much less likely to do so than a regular girl, IMO. Most sex workers typically want to hide their profession from their friends and family--a rape trial will out them. In jurisdictions where sex work is illegal, it also exposes them to arrest and imprisonment, or getting extorted at the hands of the police.

[–]tk421awol 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

There’s a difference between a streetwalker and these tinderella sugar baby “not-a-prostitutes” like the chick in this story. A prostitute knows what she is and generally has no qualms with that. These instagram princesses can lie to themselves and anyone else. He is right to be cautious with that level of crazy.

[–]cat-gun2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I agree that the woman in the story is bad news. I just don't agree that prostitutes in general should be painted with the same broad brush.

[–]fastnail1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

tk421awol - Yep, the princesses hamster will spin at 100,000 RPM to justify her behavior.

[–]pmmedenver11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

Everyone needs help from time to time. Depending on how you look at it, red pill could be considered giving free knowledge handouts.

[–]sigma2722 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think OP got pretty lucky because the guy was obviously seeing the red flags in her. If he was still in oneitis mode, he may have attacked OP for besmirching his "angel's" reputation. I have tried being Captain Save-A-Bro and it usually worked out that way. Nowadays i let things run their course and avoid the drama.

[–]1Your_Coke_Dealer1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

OP doesn't owe him shit, OP doesn't owe her shit either, but sometimes it's just satisfying to throw some gasoline onto someone else's dumpster fire.

[–]cherryCanSuckMyDick0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Risk all of this just to "save a bro" he never met. These guys gotta get smoked themselves to learn. He was a BetaBux so he needs to learn his lesson and evolve from it on his own. No handouts

But what if he never found out, or had his life ruined by her? It becomes a question of whether you just shrug and say its a tragedy of the commons, or do you want to actively change the world so decent people like Bevan dont get torn a new one?

[–]JackGetsIt9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think they probably rationalize it that it will just make a weak dude stronger or that they enjoy the punishment. Maybe in a warped way it's true.

[–]OpiumDesVolkes842 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

Very true and the only real revenge is the MGTOW concept of women hitting the wall at 30-35 and losing the privileges they once had while they were in their prime. They really become old news and only continue to lose power the older they get.

I would compare women to gigantic blue stars. They burn bright and magnificently, but have a short lifespan compared to regular stars like our sun. Blue stars literally burn out all of their fuel supply rapidly and die sooner. Men that take care of themselves are more like the sun. Burning their fuel supply consistently for a extended period of time.

[–]fastnail2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Women age like milk, men age like fine wine (-:

[–]Wolveryn[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Did you make the quote up just then? I like it! Haha

[–]TheNextMilo1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah, I’ve seen some guys picking up til the age of around 40-50. Pure game, no money involved.

[–]FlyingSexistPig30 points31 points  (2 children) | Copy

A hot girl in her 20's can make more money off her body than any man in his 20's can make doing (almost) anything. A hot girl in financial trouble will likely take this deal.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

Patreon female cosplayers are more than enough evidence of this.

[–]1Your_Coke_Dealer2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

The existence of Patreon is enough evidence that sex sells, along with all the other evidence that's been there since the beginning of civilization

[–][deleted] 129 points130 points  (64 children) | Copy

I met this chick in my class one time. I was a 27 year old grad student and I just needed an extra class. She was an undergrad, 21 or 22 I believe. We got in the same group for a project. This girl had the worst personality ever. Totally vain and vapid. Incredibly lazy in class. My God she was hot though. Near the end of the semester she started giving me more attention and talking to me more, probably because I didn't act like a desperate bitch around her. She eventually told me how every guy she dates just tries to sleep with her on the first night and why can't she get a boyfriend blah blah blah. She also said one of her friends was on one of these sugar daddy websites and she was considering it too because she basically had given up on a relationship. Think about how awful this person must be, an 8.5 that can't get a guy to date her.

One day she offers to drive me home because it was pouring rain out. She had been steadily flirting with me more and more, and after we got in her car we were both soaked and she goes "oh look, you got me all wet..." with a little smile. I'm thinking this is going to be the easiest score ever. Back at my place we cracked open some beers. I was escalating and she seemed receptive. I go in for a kiss and she rejects me - like a hard no question about it rejection. I laughed a bit because it was so outrageous - literally never been led on so hard to be rejected at the last minute. It was so awkward that she left shortly after.

I'm racking my brain wondering what the fuck just happened, and the only conclusion I can come to is that she was sick of "guys trying to get with her on the first date" and was actually trying to... I don't know, take it slow and date me or something. How she could think I would be romantically interested in her after she told me she was considering using a sugar daddy website is beyond me, but that's the state of affairs now I guess. Every guy must have been so off-put by her personality that they decided to try to close hard and fast because investing time in her would be so painful. She probably has no idea how to signal interest without being completely slutty because that's all that guys have ever responded to for her.

I really wonder to this day if I drove her to prostitution.

[–]Wolveryn 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

LMAO, based on that, if she ended up in prostitution/sugar daddy websites, she was heading there regardless of your influence on her.

The reality is probably that she was currently reading a relationship advice book, that advised her to hold off on the guy she likes.

Obviously you weren't into her for her personality and so her playing hard to get meant you moved on immediately, like a solid TRP boss... only a man with good options would think that way... so I salute you.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (11 children) | Copy

Haha well she would've been the hottest girl I ever got with. The salute is nice but goddamn, she's the notch that got away. It could be that I somehow fucked it up honestly. I have to be honest that I was a bit shocked that a girl so hot was coming onto me that strongly. She might have sniffed some weakness in retrospect.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (2 children) | Copy

In my experience girls that flirt directly are harder to bang than girls who act nervous or shit test you. Who knows what goes through their minds?

[–]chauncy_popperstein0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I kinda agree... But not totally. I've gotten some very easy hook ups from flirty girls. It brings out my playful side and then the escalation is on "fast forward".

[–]Hnikud0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I can confirm, but it is because these girls like to give false leads and then play around for you to chaste them.

[–]JackGetsIt31 points32 points  (1 child) | Copy

Sounds like she was coming off an alpha pump and dump (or several)and was feeling worthless. You were good enough to toy with but she probably would have just strung you along and still not fucked you, or at least only fucked you sparingly, because all she wanted was to know there's some guy out there that wanted to put her on a pedestal.

You played the right card by walking; it was all just an elaborate grab at a potential beta orbiter and you didn't play that game.

[–]TheNextMilo-3 points-2 points  (3 children) | Copy

An 8.5 but the hottest girl you would have ever gotten with. That is sad.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy

Lol. Ok bitch. Got eat a dick. I give honest ratings unlike everyone here who claims they are juggling three 9's and and two 8's at all times. A 9 is a girl that's so hot you see her on the street walking around maybe once a week if you use a normal distribution.

[–]TheNextMilo-3 points-2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I dunno about you but I live in Aus so we have feminists then we have 5/6s then we have our 9s and 10s. Shut the fuck up. I bet you’re a beta who worships Anita Sarkeesian, ya fucking cunt.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

You only have feminists, 5/6's, and 9/10's in your country? Yea your comment makes no sense. Looking at your history, nothing you ever say adds any value. You just make vaguely douchey comments everywhere.

[–]grewapair95 points96 points  (20 children) | Copy

I had a woman from my office ask me to get coffee and she tells me this whole story about how she basically used her now ex husband for money during the last 5 years of a ten year marriage. She made him sleep on the sofa, never lifted a finger for the guy, but she didn't make enough money to live on her own so she pretended to stay married to him until he finally pulled the plug. The divorce was final 6 months before our coffee.

Then two weeks later, I get a drunk e-mail from her complaining that I never got the hint from coffee and asked her out.

Why on earth she thought I would want a woman like her is beyond me. And it was bad enough for her to do it to that guy, bad enough she didn't try to hide it, but she practically bragged about it. Apparently, I was supposed to willingly become her next victim?

[–]1empatheticapathetic37 points38 points  (4 children) | Copy

She saw you as Chad and spilled Her AWALT beans in hopes to impress you. Then you didn't pick up the ball and pump and dump her. She couldn't justify any other possibility and the repercussions.

[–]magnificent1820 points21 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yes but she was from work. Dont shit where you eat.

[–]grewapair17 points18 points  (1 child) | Copy

How do you pump and dump someone you see every day?

[–]FuckMichaelMcCoy16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah, didnt sound like she was trying to make him a "victim." A victim would imply that he is going to marry her. She just saw him as Chad as you said. Odd way of doing it, but it was an attempt.

[–]Wolveryn 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Haha wow, I met a women similar on Tinder once, had an ex, used him for money, bragged about it to me. She was 20 something with 2 kids with the guy, who paid child support allowing her to work on business from home. She stated it like she had beaten some chump adversary... and that it was info I should be impressed by, I finished my beer, she finished her wine. I told her its been nice, but I have to go... didn't even bother with a reason why.

[–]beginner_27 points28 points  (1 child) | Copy

This lack of shame that is a consequence of feminism is actually a great thing for us. No need to make judgment calls when they so easily discredit themselves.

[–]cherryCanSuckMyDick2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

In some ways its great. Like all of the blue haired slobs out there with a womens studies degree and an attitude that would piss a golden retriever off? In your grandfathers generation he had to learn to filter out toxic women like that, some of whom would have been actively trying to hide it. Now its like they have DAMAGED stamped on their foreheads in block letters.

[–]wisty7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

20 something, 2 kids, she's probably 18 years away from the next chance at a solid relationship, by which stage she's pushing 40.

Claiming she's "beaten some chump adversary" is a lie, and it's probably not really aimed at you.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

The thing is that fucking her after she brags about all of that shitty behavior is to validate it. Now she feels like shit because you did not validate her shitty behavior.

It is the same with crazy bitches. If you fuck them you are basically validating her craziness and/or her shitty behavior.

Of course, it's not like we should care, but the reason they keep going unchecked is because some Chad or pseudoalpha ends up fucking them.

[–]RockhoundFIN0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This. The latest in line of crazy I ran into felt exactly like this. In an open relationship. Got the feeling she'd cucked her boyfriend. Never fucked her and avoided valídating her inner little sociopath.

[–]kelvin_condensate0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

You were supposed to just fuck her and move on. Wtf, did you really think she wanted to marry you and drain you of money?

She had no intention of making you her next ‘victim.’

[–]grewapair9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy

How do you move on when you see her every day?

[–]Forcetobereckonedwit8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Bingo, and watch her twist herself into a full fledged cunt, out for blood at the office. Stay away from fellow workers.

[–]fastnail0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

grewapair - A great example of how self-entitled and narcissistic modern women are.

[–]Wissenschaft859 points10 points  (7 children) | Copy

She might have just gotten a rise out of you by being the one to reject the man. An indirect way of getting back at previous men that rejected her. People can be petty.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (6 children) | Copy

Well if that's the case I wish her the best of luck in her promising career of quasi-prostitution.

[–]Wissenschaft851 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy

That could have been bullshit too. Who needs old men when she can just get boyfriends to buy her stuff.

Never trust anything, especially when the girl practically out right says shes a slut.

[–]kelvin_condensate3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

Because older men tend to have a much greater disposable income and can thus spend much more than some broke ass boyfriend could.

[–]Wissenschaft850 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

And yet theres still plenty of women who just manipulate their boyfriends then go after richer men. What you say is logical but yeah.....that requires logic.

[–]kelvin_condensate1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It is logical for women to do both. They can fuck chads while securing wealth from older men.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Why would someone lie about that? It makes you look terrible in anyone's eyes.

[–]Wissenschaft85-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

You think she cares what shes looks like in your eyes? Do you think she cares what you think at all? Shes a slut and likely proud of herself.

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (1 child) | Copy

I don't know, take it slow and date me or something. How she could think I would be romantically interested in her after she told me she was considering using a sugar daddy website is beyond me, but that's the state of affairs now I guess

Girls like this are WAY more socially clueless than guys give them credit for. Like your stereotypical "meathead chad" she probably relied on her looks and a little charm to get by for most of her life since she hit puberty and never really had to think anything through logically. In other words, they're simply just spoiled.

Plus in today's generation where both parents work, or are often not together or communicating other than for child support and other legal issues.. They don't actually raise their kids. They just deposit money in their account and send a "love you lots xoxo" so these kids grow up to be soulless little demons who will do anything they can get away with without the slightest regret within the confines of common law or til they get locked up.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yep. Regarding meathead chad, I had a random guy roommate once. He was pretty tall and decently good looking and played college baseball. He had a lot of stories about hot chicks in college, but I never saw him hook up with a single girl or go on a single date in the 6 months I lived with him. I really think he just had no idea how to pursue women because it was just automatic pussy being a college athlete.

[–]askmrcia17 points18 points  (9 children) | Copy

God I had a very similar story. Except I was working at the mall and this one girl worked at another store. Anyways she used to come up to my cashier and flirt, but in a childish innocent type of way. She even used to buy me drinks (soda) for work.

I was 24 and she was 20 I think. Eventually her friends used to come up to me and tell me how much she liked me.

Fast forward a few weeks, I eventually ask her to come over to my place, which is like 30mins from me. Its also important to note that within those few times we talked, she gave me the whole "all guys just want to sleep with me" speech and how she can't find a real guy. Oh and she used to snap chat me pics of herself half naked and how much she loves to cuddle. even made jokes about how hot I was and how she wanted my babies. No BS.

So anyways, she comes to my place wearing thongs and the tightest short shorts ever. I'm thinking to myself "I got this in the bag."

We cuddled up on my couch and she tells me she wants to play GTA5 (which was one of the reasons she came over). I'm thinking to myself is she just saying that or she serious. So I play like one small mission on there and start rubbing her legs and then I went for the kiss. She stopped me full blast and said she only wanted to play GTA and cuddle.

I'm like WTF? She then tells me that she can't hookup with me on the first date. So eventually she leaves. It was awkward as fuck and I honestly had no idea what went wrong.

Then on her facebook the next day she puts this rant out saying how all guys just want sex and how all guys were assholes.

I was shocked. Didn't see it coming at all. This chick lead me on and gave me blue balls hard as fuck. Then posts that? I swear sometimes I think chicks love being cock teases. I truly do. I know all about LMR, but this shit was different.

[–]MustNotFfff11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

Well she could have been confused herself. She was dressed in tight shorts so she was operating in her usual MO but maybe she was simultaneously hoping for a different course of events - i.e. no sleeping on the first date. This is double so considering that going out on dates rarely happens these days.

Just being the devil's advocate here.

[–]1ozaku72 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Beats me why chicks wear that kind of stuff and expect to be treated like innocent women. It's like Michael Schumacher showing up to a race in his racing suit all prepared and then be like "What? No! I am not racing today!".

[–]OpiumDesVolkes841 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Or maybe she just needed a little more time to warm up. I would have played more missions of GTA5 and gave the controller to her to play. Let her feel relaxed and progressively get closer and closer together on the couch.

[–]askmrcia5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

I tried that, I just left that part of the story out because I didn't want to ramble on and on.

I played a few missions while we were cuddled up on the couch. I did hand her the controller and she played for like three mins. Then passed it back saying she only wanted to watch me play.

Also this happened around 9pm. And she lived close to an hour away. Plus she had to work in the morning. So I knew playing it slow would kill me. And she didn't want to drink. We also went out for dinner beforehand and she didn't eat anything other then my fries.

The flirty snaps and text messages, she knew what was up.

Honestly I just felt she was major cock tease. It was no last LMR. I know the difference and I know how to move past it. I have gotten women that told me straight up they weren't going to have sex with me and they did. This was different.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMetalgear2220 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

To both you and OP, this is classic LMR and you took her initial stop "full blast" at face value. You need to push past that point. 2 Steps forward 1 step back.

A girl that shows up wearing sexy clothes and hangs out with you alone is for sure thinking about fucking you. The only ways she doesn't is one, not conquering LMR, or two, she changes her mind as she finds out as you hang out that you're actually beta.

[–]yoda35 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

that sucks, do you think she would have let u go down on her instead of kissing? maybe a light massage?

[–]askmrcia0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I tried man. I rubbed her legs first and she didn't do anything. Then I went for the kiss and she pushed me away and said stop. Tried again only a little more gentle, she told me to stop again.

Since she knew where I worked I didn't want to risk going further. The whole facebook blowup was proof that she had issues.

[–]yoda35 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

weird. she could have an ex-bf and was feeling sad over being dumped so she used u as a nice-guy distraction/confidence booster. Were u pushing for sex? A lot of girls won't have sex on the first date, so why would she think kissing would lead to sex? Just tell her you only want to kiss and no sex. She might have though you were pushing to hard or being too gropey for sex. Is she a virgin or inexperienced? Did she want to plan a second date? Usually people kiss at the end of the date, so maybe you were too early?

[–]askmrcia0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

weird. she could have an ex-bf and was feeling sad over being dumped so she used u as a nice-guy distraction/confidence booster.


Were u pushing for sex? A lot of girls won't have sex on the first date, so why would she think kissing would lead to sex?

We made out once before this happened. She invited me out with her friends and we made out in the parking lot.

might have though you were pushing to hard or being too gropey for sex.

Ehhh I mean it's possible. But if a chick is telling me she wants my babies and telling me how sexy I am and wants me to send her shirtless pics, I'm not going to pussy foot around.

Is she a virgin or inexperienced?

She most was.

she want to plan a second date?

This happened like 5 years ago. But no second date after her little Facebook rant

[–]smirk_addict24 points25 points  (3 children) | Copy

She sounds like your typical cock tease.

[–]jackandjill223 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yea. Or she was just playing him.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Could be yea. It didn't really feel like that though.

[–]smirk_addict2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I wasn’t trying to insult your intelligence by saying that’s something you could have saw coming. Just saying it happens often.

[–]red_matrix4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

What do you normally do to deal with LMR? It's kind of a subconscious thing for most girls, tend don't even know they're doing it when they want to get laid.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

I honestly have only had LMR this one time since I graduated college. I know the philosophy here is to push through it, but for me personally I just feel that a bang is not worth a possible rape accusation. LMR seems to be more of a thing that psycho chicks pull

[–]kelvin_condensate1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You sure this wasn’t some LMR?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

When I was 8 and 9 years old, I had a friend named Natalia who lived in the same apartment complex. Her mother lived with her two boyfriends. It was a strange arrangement. She got nice toys to play with at least. She was a really mean brat who liked making other children cry. Who knew what her mother was telling her to get by.

[–]fastnail-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

If she was good looking her golden vag would have trapped a beta.

[–]VanityKings19 points20 points  (0 children) | Copy

I try to stay out of other peoples affairs since it's not my problem and I'd rather not make it mine, but if he is a decent dude I say follow the bro code

[–]binarynightmare16 points17 points  (2 children) | Copy

Everyone knows what a sugar daddy is and that these relationships eixst, but people vastly underestimate the number and broad spectrum of women who at least give it a try.

I would say that about 1 out of every 4 collegiate girls are not completely opposed to the idea of riding an old dude's dick for a stack, so long as he is not gross and takes her to a nice dinner beforehand.

If you have a free hour, signup for a free Seeking Arrangements account and browse the women in your city, it's very eye opening.

[–]1Your_Coke_Dealer0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

That shit's free to sign up? I thought it cost guys a lot just to want to be a sugar daddy

[–]binarynightmare0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

if i remember it's free to sign up and browse but costs like $100 per month to actively send messages

[–]vzhu12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

You're fucking lucky she didn't try to pull some bullshit on you after pulling off a stunt like that.

[–]Sotokun300015 points16 points  (1 child) | Copy

Congrats for letting him know. At this environment where the entire society is pro men-oppression it is important that we help each other see the true nature of the game played against us.

Far more important than a fickle female "friendship"

[–]shakespeareSMG5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

This is the future for many women under 35 who see that education is too costly and other avenues such as hard work pay no dividends.

Welcome to modernity.

[–]Wolveryn 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

This is true, and it fundamentally changes the values and morals of society... things like how we view chivalry needs to catch up

[–]shakespeareSMG2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I suppose their are times that call for chivalry but women react better to me being a dick or being sweet and then taking it away for awhile. I still will hold a door open for women but when she’s a cunt there will be repercussions.

[–]Rollo_Mayhem327 points28 points  (10 children) | Copy

I don't know that i would do the same thing if I were you after reading trp the last few months. Not my life, not my problem. I see dude doing all kinds of stupid shit in the gym, I use to be the guy, going up to guys telling them not to do this or how to correct there form I don't say nadda. Focus my energy on my life and my next lift. What do you think?

Besides, if she's hot and pulling in cash, she's an asset. You don't have to fuck her. Bevan would still be fucking her...were you thinking she could give him an STD? I dk. I certainly understand why someone would do that but it could also come.back to bite you, after all she told you in confidence, you broke it. Btw, I am not judging you, just looking at it from both sides.

[–]Wolveryn 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Yea to be honest, if I knew then what I know now, I would have done things differently. And even at the time it was a grey area to me... it just grated on my conscience that this guy had bought her $2000 flights, he was working class, and I knew the feeling of falling head over heels for a chick that doesn't really reciprocate that feeling...

I gained nothing from it except the feeling of influencing karma and helping a blue pilled guy see the truth.

[–]Patriarchysaurus74 points75 points  (0 children) | Copy

You did a good deed. Don't let the spergies around here tell you being 100% self-interested is necessary or even desirable. You didn't bother lecturing your housemate about her whoring, instead you let her divulge her guilt & used that information selfishly/narcissistically for an altruistic purpose.

DT done right.

[–]Rollo_Mayhem35 points6 points  (5 children) | Copy

I am not sure about either alleged benefit (karma nor him seeing the truth) took place. It's the equalivant of what women do when they find out a guy is sleeping around with two girls or playing a girl and the girl contacts the other girl to let her know. She says "Your man is cheating on you, I thought you should know..."

It's may nor be your place to be judge and jury. Again I am not saying your wrong or judging you because you did this, my question is "Is that our place to do that?" I could see if the so-called roommate turned pro did something fuxked up to you and then you got even, but in this you just felt bad for the guy...anyway that was my thought and saying nothing is certainly NOT sociopath. You can feel for someone but not intervene in their lives. It's called minding your own business. What if he went into a fit of rage and hit her??? You see?

[–]Wolveryn 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Hmm I see your point, and it comes down to my judgement of his character... and seeing some of myself - TRP in him.

It made sense to me at the time.

Would I have done it today knowing what I know now? Mmm maybe not.

Another factor not explicitly mentioned, was related to the fact that I was still digesting the red pill, and parts of me still had the angry phase coming up despite my desire to really get past it... I guess you could say it shocked me how perfectly she could lie and deceive... infallible... and this realisation has huge implications for the world I thought I knew...

[–]Rollo_Mayhem31 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

When you put it like that, certainly makes sense why you did what you did. Sorta of cosmic justice for the way you may have been treated in the past by women. This was your way of getting back at women, taking out your anger. All grist for the mill.

[–]Wolveryn 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Not at all! Very different situation. I was new to the dating world, been in a very long first love relationship before that.. it was simply the realisation that women lie extremely well... I feel like the realisation is like realising you avoided pothole which would have resulted in certain death... it’s shocking but relieving at the same time... you want others to be warned of the pothole...

[–]Rollo_Mayhem3-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

Let me ask, out of curiosity, did she ever says things like Beven's a loser or elude that she was using him just for the money, she was fucking him right? He was married after all right? If so, wasn't Bevan also lying or just as guilty as she?

[–]smirk_addict-3 points-2 points  (1 child) | Copy

That post didn’t really read like you were looking at it from both sides.

[–]Rollo_Mayhem33 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I did say "I can certainly understand why you did that" ( his side) now I provide another side. I didn't moralize and say what he did was wrong and should have done this...then I wouldn't be looking at it from his perspective. I should have led off with that's all.

[–]TheDevilsAdvokaat9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

Good on you mate. Years ago someone had to tell me my gf was cheating on me - because I didn't know - and I thanked him too. And dumped her.

[–]AlphaGrad9 points10 points  (3 children) | Copy

All women are whores. They just sell different sides of their personas to different people.

[–]ovrload9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy

even the shy girls turn out to be whores to the right person...

[–]cherryCanSuckMyDick0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

makes me wonder if that personality trope isnt just a well rehearsed act that women learn to do as a smokescreen

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (3 children) | Copy

i would just like to say, thank you for growing some balls and for choosing to be a good guy over being mentally spellbound by a hot girl's looks. it was very hard when i was younger to find male friends who wouldn't change their personality when a hottie walked into the room/bar.

thanks for inspiring us to be more honest and bold with each other

[–]Wolveryn 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Meh...You read enough TRP and its hard to see things any other way.

When you reach your late 20's you start to realise how unimportant chasing pussy is... and important chasing personal success for you is. Gym, education, career, wealth, happiness.

When you realise that, and you have options... and you realise changing personality to get laid isn't fun, respectable or attractive... then combine this with the fact that you're too busy for bullshit... you develop a no bullshit policy, and value your personal morals and long term goals over short term pleasures.

[–]TissueBabies-2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy

Meh...You read enough TRP and its hard to see things any other way.

Part of me wishes I could go back and believe that there are compassionate women who's world doesn't revolve around herself. I need someone I can respect, and the more I see how small most women's worlds are the more I lose respect.

[–]Charrington842 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Someone get that bish a tag the sponsor T-shirt

[–]askmrcia2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

First off this was an amazing story. I don't know. Stories like these I always get a kick out of when I read them on here.

Second, this just proves one thing to me. If a chick is dirt poor, she is worthless. There is literally no excuse for a chick to be dirt poor.

I mean this chick worked as a bartender barely making money and yet she has dudes flying all over the world to come see her.

I know plenty of chicks like this. There was a group of girls that worked at a fast food joint where I used to work at in college. All these girls were gorgeous yet they barely had money.

You look at their instagrams, and they have top of the line fashion and are able to afford vacations all over the USA. I always thought to myself how the fuck can they afford so much money.

Then I found out through word of mouth that they these thirsty ass rich dudes do it for them. This is very common. Its the same with my sister's friends. All have worthless ass degrees and can't get a real job. Yet on their instagrams its the same story. Somehow they are able to fly out to Vegas whenever they want and can afford to go into clubs with $40 cover charges. Its the same, they all claim they like to date older men. Few of them was even hounding me to hook them up with my friend who was a doctor. He was 36 and they were like 22 at the time.

I'm not saying these chicks find these guys online on sugar dating websites, but they no doubt find rich dudes to pay for them. All those IG whores you guys see with the thousands of followers and hundreds of pics of them on vacations, this is how.

The world aint fair gentz.

[–]jewishsupremacist880 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

go look on any hot girls instagram accounts and random people who are "representatives" are hitting them up about modeling opportunities and whatnot. for guys who have serious money this isnt actually a bad deal.

[–]LordThunderbolt10 points11 points  (4 children) | Copy

First you stop having sex with her, then you become her emotional tampon, then you dont even get to touch or taste a single one of those dollars she made being a whore.

The real story here is about you and how you failed to capitalize on the situation due to your weakness. If u had stopped fucking her, you should've at least found a way to get her to buy you shit or give you money. You gained nothing from her at all.

[–]Endorsed Contributorsadomasochrist-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

Entertainment, vindication etc

[–]yomo86-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yep, basically a warm feeling of satisfaction.

[–]LordThunderbolt3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

What satisfaction? Hes just a butthurt little beta.

[–]Pastelitomaracucho28 points29 points  (3 children) | Copy

This is not Bros before hoes. This is you wanting the girl go down because you couldn't stand she could make 15k a week on pussy power alone. Edit: which you pretty much prove on your comments below. It gave you pleasure to instill "revenge" in someone who pretty much did nothing to you, just because you feel that the scale is not balanced in men's favour and that somehow we men have to stick together...

Creating an external enemy is the typical shallow, demagogue strategy for justifying one's incapacity to tackle problems and challenges. Nothing different from your typical gang of vindictive feminists, frustrated commies, supremacists, etc.

[–]lIIlllIIlIIllIlllIIl 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

OP saw someone being deceived, and did a small favor for a stranger. You're reading too far into it, and borderline white knighting.

[–]Extremely_Photogenic-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

This guy gets it

[–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp4 points5 points  (7 children) | Copy

2 questions:

  1. Why did you stop fucking her when you found out she's a escort?

  2. Why did you decide to tell the dude what she's doing?

[–]Wolveryn 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Escorts open the door to riskier sexual partners. The risk is at an order of magnitude higher than fucking beautiful women on Tinder in FWB relationships. I had so many options it wasn't funny, I was gymming 6 days a week, I had my diet absolutely perfect for building a solid physique... why would I want to fuck a prostitute? The STD's man, the dodgy depraved cock she's receiving is at best just not attractive. It's where I draw the line. You have to draw it somewhere... I saw some of myself in him, and I knew what its like to fall head over heels for a women who doesn't reciprocate the feeling. I could see he was being taken advantage of, he had just bought her $2000 flights, and I had given her multiple hints that I didn't agree with it all. I had suggested to her she should be open and honest with him no matter where that takes the relationship. Then there was my conscience, it was grating on me, not saying anything would have resulted in me feeling like shit beyond my control. Edit* @Hillarysdilddo_2016 You reframe the situation in your comments in a way that removes the situation so far from reality that it becomes a completely different situation... at least from my perspective.

[–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

The risk is at an order of magnitude higher than fucking beautiful women on Tinder in FWB relationships.

Makes sense. I immediately assumed you went BP b/c she fucks other men for $, my bad.

I had suggested to her she should be open and honest with him no matter where that takes the relationship.

You argued and made logical arguments for a woman to change her mind. Good luck with that, especially considering he's her orbiter.

[–]Wolveryn 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Read the end of the post lol

[–]CuckedByTRUMP0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I read the whole post. You didn't answer number one in your post and you debatably* didn't fully answer number two.

[–]Wolveryn 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

  1. Escorts open the door to riskier sexual partners. The risk is at an order of magnitude higher than fucking beautiful women on Tinder in FWB relationships. I had so many options it wasn't funny, I was gymming 6 days a week, I had my diet absolutely perfect for building a solid physique... why would I want to fuck a prostitute? The STD's man, the dodgy depraved cock she's receiving is at best just not attractive. It's where I draw the line. You have to draw it somewhere...

  2. I saw some of myself in him, and I knew what its like to fall head over heels for a women who doesn't reciprocate the feeling. I could see he was being taken advantage of, he had just bought her $2000 flights, and I had given her multiple hints that I didn't agree with it all. I had suggested to her she should be open and honest with him no matter where that takes the relationship.

Then there was my conscience, it was grating on me, not saying anything would have resulted in me feeling like shit beyond my control.

You reframe the situation in your comments in a way that removes the situation so far from reality that it becomes a completely different situation... at least from my perspective.

[–]CuckedByTRUMP1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

So go tell the guy who asked you those questions those answers. I did not ask you them. I just pointed out that you were wrong and didn't really give full answers. He's the one who wanted the answers.

[–]Hillarysdilddo_2016-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

These are the correct questions.

Fucking randos off the street or tinder, OK.

Fucking sugar daddies, off limits. LMAO

The fact that he quit hitting it indicates it hit him right in the fee fees. In fact him splitting the apartment with her means he was only a degree separated from being a "sugar daddy" himself.

[–]icedupsmackhead7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

You are the man the world needs, not the one it deserves. <3

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (20 children) | Copy

Not your circus, not your monkeys.

Should have stayed out of it.

What did being a snitch get you?

Validation, "bros before hoes" mentality?

Think about why you did it then show it wasn't either a lash out at women for being women or an act to make you feel morally superior.

Which are both shitty reasons to do anything.

Snitches get stitches for a reason.

[–]Neo_Trunks3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy

Yeah, but wouldn't you want to be warned (If you were in Bevan's shoes)? He ultimately did the right thing, no alpha or beta deserves to be tricked like that. Sometimes guys can watch each others backs, we're not animals.

[–]BrownGummyBear11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy

Girls are constantly watching each other backs. God forbid a red pill guy helps another guy out though "that's so beta bla bla" 😒

[–]Neo_Trunks6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Exactly. Not everything is black and white. Some dudes need help sometimes.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Bevan is bluepill. He deserved what comes his way.

Every time someone mentions "it's the right thing to do","karma", "justice", "moral", etc.

Take a long hard look at what's being sold to you. Chances are it's NOT in your best interest, because it has to be sold to you. You're being coopted to behave a certain way in spite of your own beliefs.

Pro-con... I don't see any pro in telling. Con.. Bevan could be pissed that you're lying to him, and send a few goons to kick the shit out of you for "lying" about his girl.

We are animals.

You have to understand that nobody is going to take care of you or "have your back". Taking care of number one is rule number one.

[–]Wolveryn 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

If you’re talking about gangs or prisons that saying makes sense... but you’re not. You're talking about a guy living a long way away from Australia... in the USA. He'd have to fork out another $2000 to come and kick my ass.. and this assumes he didn't believe me... but his dialogue 110% confirms he did.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy

You didn't know if he'd believe you or not when you made the call.

And he's a blooper so enamoured with "this one girl" he was willing to pay that much and more to just get some pussy - don't underestimate whiteknight outrage.

Why risk it?

If you keep sticking your nose into other peoples business sooner or later it's going to get punched.

Focus on yourself.

[–]Wolveryn 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Well I don't know if you're trolling me, but I think its safe to say i had a better idea than say, someone on the internet reading into things too much.

I have a pretty good judge of character, and yes some men I can tell wouldn't handle it that way... but I'd met the guy, I knew the lay of the land, I knew what was what... I made the call factoring all the information I had.

Why risk it?

I don't know how I can put it in a way you'd understand... take Ed Snowden leaking info about mass surveillance for example... he had morals and he made the decision based on those... he got proverbially punched very hard... but that's the price you pay for morals...

It seems a lot of the TRP endorsed dudes here, including yourself...simply don't believe in morals for the common good like this... so maybe I'll try to use words to explain feelings.

It feels extremely bad to see what she was doing to the guy, and the bad feeling was relieved by informing him.

If that means I get punched? Bring it on, I'll fight for what I believe in!

Same reason I attend protest rallys for anything to do with freedom of speech, anything to do with privacy from Government, and anything to do with humanity.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

a lot of the TRP endorsed dudes here, including yourself...simply don't believe in morals for the common good like this

Wonder why that could possibly be....

Have your moral code.

Just try open your eyes and realize where that code came from.....

All your beliefs, sense of right and wrong, kinship, brotherhood, doing the right thing... all placed into your head by the same bluepill society that want you to live by the rules of society....not the rules you've chosen for're still schackled to the notion of right and wrong as defined by society, not your own internal code. You've bee brainwashed to put the convenience of society ahead of living your life the way you yourself see fit.

I realize the dude is not going to send a goon squad... the point I was making is you have to question why you're doing something, and "morals" is an unacceptable cop out. Make an informed decision.

It means so much to so many that it is nebulous to the point of having no meaning, which is why moralizing will get you a ban here. Not having morals, but trying to define right and wrong using morality.

Just trying to get you to jump up to that next level and examine why you do what you do.

"Feeling bad" is never a whole cloth justification for action.

You still have far to go. Keep reading. Good luck.

[–]CuckedByTRUMP2 points3 points  (10 children) | Copy

Every single TRP endorsed person is saying this post is terrible and OP should have stayed out of it but the beta males came here from incels and are upvoting this like crack. They love giving a woman "what she deserves." Get this shit off this sub.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy

From "Respect the tag" over on the sidebar...

(not that any of you newbie chucklefucks bother reading anything before piling on the kneejerk cluster...)

Endorsed contributors are community members who, through careful vetting, have been flaired in order to draw attention to the quality of their writing. Whenever you read posts or comments on TRP, it is the voices of these men that you should pay the most attention to - not votes.

Not popular? IDNGaF. Votes mean absolutely nothing.

[–]CuckedByTRUMP1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy

I just hope the mods clean this crap up soon. I really don't want this sub banned because it becomes the new hate sub for women. I know the mods will take action. They always do.

[–]Wolveryn 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

You sound like possibly the whitest knight that ever white knighted. No ones hating on women, get off your high horse for a second. This is about deception where some women are prostitutes but also dating guys who have no idea. Its actually useful to realise... that's great that you are so all powerful and knowledgeable... good for you!

The only hate I'm seeing is a guys who've taken TRP so far as to pride the idea of and aspire to being a pure sociopath.

I think field reports like this uncover a lot of value insights, especially to those new to the game.

I see this in all kind of groups online and offline, where the veterans forget what its like to be new... so they bring others down for some reason.

[–]CuckedByTRUMP1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy

You are the white knight in this scenario. You wanted that guy so much you told on the girl. You were so jealous and petty about her making money. Everyone here with TRP tags is saying the same thing. They are calling you pathetic and petty. Go back to incel.

[–]Wolveryn[S] -2 points-1 points  (5 children) | Copy

That has to be projection or something cause I could not care less about $$$, I don’t even see how you inferred that

[–]CuckedByTRUMP0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

It can't be projection. I don't know the guy. I also am advocating against helping him. Nice try. The kids from incel might like your post. None of the regs do.

[–]Wolveryn[S] -2 points-1 points  (3 children) | Copy

Try to do what? Who cares about the money, I’m on $1200 a day and I don’t to sell my body to do so

[–]CuckedByTRUMP0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Uh huh, you make $1200 a day and you needed a roommate. Your entire post is fake. You should be banned.


[–]Mithra90091 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

The problem I have with helping guys like this is that the women learn their mistake and then, rather than change, simply improve their deception. I wouldn't mind helping them if the fact that they were helped could somehow be kept secret.

[–]MGTOWManofMystery1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Would have been better (in terms of protecting yourself) to somehow send Bevan an anonymous message IMO.

[–]DramatisedReaction1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

To be fair though, rent prices in Sydney are fucked up, so I can see why she would do that.

I enjoyed the story though - another example of AWALT

[–]eaeulis1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

i think Bevan should become a RP character as Chad is in here, but you know symbolizing "betaness"

[–]TO_throwaway11 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Is there virtue in sleeping with men for free vs sleeping with men for money?

[–]jewishsupremacist881 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Bevan isnt/wasnt your problem. I'd mind my own business.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

you did the right thing mate

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock21 points22 points  (18 children) | Copy

She was sleeping with you and a bunch of other guys and didn't bother you, then suddenly she gets paid for it and now it does? You stopped hitting it because money got involved?

Who gives a shit if a strange girl wants to sleep around and get cash for it. How is that not much smarter than the ones that do it for free? Why do you care about some beta that flies to see his oneitis? You warned him? Jesus.

Any guy with any sense of abundance and knowledge of female nature would have just laughed inside and let a slut, slut while getting his bangs and rent money. But no,you couldn't help but try to indirectly mention her 'morality' like a passive aggressive loser. You're weak and bluepill. People like you are dangerous and untrustworthy. Ridiculous 'moral codes' that make no sense and flip on a dime.

You could have made her feel welcomed and cared for and gotten a long term lease out of her. You could have gained access to a whole new world you've never seen and could never enter unless you're a hot girl or a rich guy. Instead you decided to dive deeper into the bluepill.

edits: new additions.

[–]NabroleonBonaparte9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy

She was sleeping with you and a bunch of other guys and didn't bother you, then suddenly she gets paid for it and now it does? You stopped hitting it because money got involved?

This is a huge assumption. Her risk increased with this lifestyle change. With her pool of fucks expanding to include richer potentially politically powerful/dangerous men he was opening himself to unnecessary risk when he could easily go out and replace this plate. That’s abundance mentality, dropping plates when their price (risk/work) gets too high.

Who gives a shit if a strange girl wants to sleep around and get cash for it. How is that not much smarter than the ones that do it for free? Why do you care about some beta that flies to see his oneitis? You warned him? Jesus.

Agreed. Until this shit came back to his home, it’s irrelevant to his life. I’m willing to say by concerning himself, he could of potentially found himself on the other end of a beta’s rage if said beta felt jealous instead of thankful for his “warning.”

Any guy with any sense of abundance and knowledge of female nature would have just laughed inside and let a slut, slut while getting his bangs and rent money. But no,you couldn't help but try to indirectly mention her 'morality' like a passive aggressive loser. You're weak and bluepill. People like you are dangerous and untrustworthy. Ridiculous 'moral codes' that make no sense and flip on a dime.

YOU can fuck amateur prostitutes, to each their own. There’s too much risk with fucking this chick. At least a professional escort MAY take her career seriously and would make an effort to prevent STDs, but this amateur slut might not think that far.

Again, abundance mentality. If this guy has it and can get more girls, why would he keep going to this chick who’s risk just went up? That sounds like mild oneitis...

The rent would be the last thing on my mind, roommates are disposable, they can easily be replaced. My top concern is the peace of mind of my domain and I’d keep my finger on the trigger for a new roommate once I started getting wind of her new choices.

You could have made her feel welcomed and cared for and gotten a long term lease out of her. You could have gained access to a whole new world you've never seen and could never enter unless you're a hot girl or a rich guy. Instead you decided to dive deeper into the bluepill.

Lmao wtf are you talking about here? Why should he accommodate a whore? Once again, it’s easy to get another roommate, absolutely no point trying so hard to keep a high risk female in your life.

If OP had to rely on a random whore to gain access to a valuable circle, he needs to refocus his efforts in life.

I will say this, if OP was up for it, he could have made her move out and then pimped her out. Let the money touch his hands first and break her off a piece for her labor. THAT is the ONLY way OP could have spun this in his favor

[–]Could_have_listened3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

could of

Did you mean could've?

I am a bot account.

[–]Wolveryn 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Fucking old dudes for money makes you a whore, nothing wrong with that. It's the worlds oldest profession. But it opens the door to riskier sexual partners and therefore STD's. I didn't want a long term lease out of her. I don't want 'his bangs', and rent money is not a reason to completely throw your morals out the windows.

The weak thing to do would be say nothing. And this 'whole new world i've never seen'... what world would that be exactly? Being a sociopath isn't one of my aspirations.

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (5 children) | Copy

Seconded but the readership is lapping this morality up. Who cares if she is selling sex, he was OK banging her knowing that Chad was doing her in nightclub toilets but a rich family man gets involved and he's all "eww she's a prostitute!!'.

[–]CuckedByTRUMP4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Seconded but the readership is lapping this morality up.

When the community grows too quickly there ends up always needing to be a purge of bad content. This content is completely useless. A girl bangs multiple guys and you told on her. That is basically the entire summary of this post. It's so stupid because this sub is all about it if the shoe is on the other foot. She got money? Oh boo fucking hoo. How is that different than dating a rich guy because he is well off?

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy

She got $15,000 for two bangs? Damn.That's a high class slut. Id give her a high five and say, "you're not poor anymore". I would have 'celebrated' on her dime. I see nothing but positive things in the dynamic he had with her.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah there is no way I would have stopped fucking her or told the other guy. That is the way the world works, if Bevan wants to pay the girl that’s his money. OP is entitled to his own morality but to me he just fucked over a girl who did nothing wrong to him and missed out on sex. The old world of good girls/ bad girls is gone forever. Every girl over 21 who is HB7 or above has ridden the carousel and most of them have crossed the line on money for sex.

[–]Senior ContributorNightwingTRP6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

I thought TRP had settled the nuance of the morality issue? Now I find a senior endorsed I respected, confusing the amorality of the game and personal morality. There is nothing more feminine than this man. Half the reason some men end up on TRP is the level of mental gymnastics women perform to behave in ways that damage those around them. I sense you've been staring into the abyss too long and lost your perspective.

[–]yomo861 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

To me it would - as would to many others. Banging Chad or Billy the beta is somewhat understandable. Tingles or safety are involved, two very important issues for a woman, nothing wrong with that. Fucking older men solely on the basis to satisfy your greed by selling ones own body to the highest bidder in a meat market takes a new level of depravity.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

$15,000 a sesh w/o getting pooped on by Saudi Princes for a young girl is an awesome deal. Then one of them will probably take her for the long haul in the end when she is ready to settle down. Smart gig. If you're gonna settle down for a beta, make sure he's rich.

[–]newName5434560 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Why does it matter that it started bothering him?

Regardless of whether he should tell other guy or not, he's allowed to stop wanting to hit it for any reason.

If anything, saying otherwise would be BP as it would come from the mindset that pussy is so valuable and scarce that you have to be hitting it just because a woman is willing no matter everything else.

[–]Ninokun1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Oh boy 3000 in one weekend. If i was a Women i would be a Whore too. but i would at least be honest about it. oh what am i saying if i was a women my brain wouldnt work that way anyway.

[–]zeussingh1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Dude she would have called the yacht guy to pick her up and fuck her even for more time and less(still some) money, maybe even just an accommodation till yacht party starts !!

But i get it what you did and why you did it. And i think its still noble in a way.

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Unless you turned around and made a professional contact out of Bevan and are now profiting from it (or are at least developing it), then your little moral crusade was a wasted effort.

The chick won't change. She'll just be more careful next time.

This is how women are. Accept it, or be forever disappointed and bewildered with them.

[–]bitchpotatobunny2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Honestly, I think this is ridiculous. The value of this post isn't what you did, its value comes from being an example of unnecessarily sticking your nose in someone else's business.

It's one thing if you want to stop fucking her because she's a prostitute now. (Which I also don't see the problem with. The only difference between her and any other hot chick is that she's getting paid for it, whereas the others just give it out for free) That's your choice, and it's something that directly involves you.

However, there is no reason to tell Bevan shit. You don't know the guy. You don't owe him anything. He's not her boyfriend. It's not like you're making him aware of something his significant other is doing behind his back. He's literally just a guy that has oneitis for this chick. Who cares?

You speak of moral codes, and how you did it because it was right thing to do. Bullshit. You're saying, that your moral code is stronger with a guy you don't even know than a chick who's been your roommate, wing woman, and fuck buddy? What about moral code of not being a fucking chatty Kathy? All you're really saying here is your resolve is so weak that you can't be trusted with a secret.

Let me be clear here. If Bevan was her significant other, then your actions are commendable. That's looking out for someone. However, this was not the case. Therefore, this is no better than being a backstabbing woman in my opinion.

[–]Swanksterino-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

First, he didn't stick his nose in her business, she put it out there, because she was proud of how good she was at hiding her true self.

Second, you're saying it's fine to lie someone, if they are not a significant other. Which means you can lie to someone all the way up to when you two decide to be exclusive. Like the lies will just stop. How would anyone know that they had actually become exclusive? What if you don't actually feel that way, and are still lying? He just has to trust you, a liar?

Third, the hot girls aren't giving it away, they are sharing with someone they love.

I realize you feel these things because you have been betrayed several times, probably, doesn't make it fair to keep paying it forward into eternity. There really are mostly good people out there, you just have a broken picker.

[–]Shukakun1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Different people have different moral compasses I guess, but I doubt I'd do Bevan a solid like you did, to be honest. He's making his own choices and they've gotten him where they have gotten him. It's not like he deserves to be warned about this major fuck-up on his part. It's a nice thing for you to do to him, but you're not always going to be around to save his ass. Betas gonna beta.

[–]hyugafan1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

No matter what people may think, you followed your morals and values by doing what you did. That's what a man does, IMHO. Also holy shit, she is going to hit the wall HARD if she doesn't put some of that money away.

[–]Ianooo2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I don't care what anybody says but that was a bitch move on your part. Why didn't you also tell Bevan that you were also fucking her before?

[–]uebermacht0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Heilige Scheisse, was für eine Hure!
It‘s 7 AM on friday and now I am laying here in my bed reading this crazy ass story.
I think you did it well :)
Thanks for sharing!
Will definitely print it out and save under TRP Anecdotes for re-read from time to time.

[–]PaulAJK1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

i don't think you did the right thing here. You didn't owe Bevan the Bro Code, because he wasn't your bro. A bro is a close friend, a buddy, someone who would do you a similar favour. Would Bevan have turned down a bang with the British/Syrian girl if it was offered?

I doubt it. We have no generic loyalty to our gender, we keep that to close friends, familly, buddies etc.

So my mate has a(non shagging) oneitis who I met one night at a pub while out with another friend of mine. She was all over the both of us, but me more so. I chose not to take it any further, because I felt I owed my mate the bro code. My other friend, by contrast, didn't know him from Adam, and proceeded to take her home. Which was totally fair enough, because his bro code netwrk didn't extend to my other mate.

[–]Morphs_0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

So according to your story and bro code you told your bro that your other friend took her home? How did your friend react?

[–]PaulAJK1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

He knew before I had the chance to tell him.

[–]Morphs_-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

How did he find out? Was he pissed? Sorry if I'm too interested in your story, I'm just trying to learn as much as possible here :)

[–]Ichewfivegum0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Das what happens when ya flirt w the devil and get lost in the sauce

[–]jewishsupremacist880 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

sugar dating is the new patriarchy and the new dating norm, or will be. the only good jobs out there require high level cognitive skills, something most people dont have. #muhDick

[–]Shariabluew0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

black knighting is good to engage in every now and then, keeps you frosty

good job, good read

[–]COLIE531 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thats pathetic bud, you overstepped your bounds. It sounds like you did it out of jealousy or somethin.

[–]cashmoney_x1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

"These events unfolded 2.5 years ago now, although it seems like yesterday."

Dear Diary. Ron was handsome in a classical, masculine sort of way. He had that square jawed footballer look going for him.

[–]SleepingSiren19992 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy

Was Bevan her sugar daddy? Because if yes then that is business and you would be an asshole to fuck that up for her

[–]Swanksterino0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

Oh man, your a creep. Even if it was a business relationship, Bevan was obviously under the impression it was exclusive, when you lie in a business transaction, it ceases to be business, and just becomes a con. I hope I never have to due 'business' with someone like you.

Wait a minute, are you a hooker too?

[–]OpiumDesVolkes841 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You are replying to a sugar baby so yep she is a hooker. I wouldn’t doubt that she has a boyfriend and is seeing a sugar daddy at the same time.

[–]SleepingSiren1999-4 points-3 points  (2 children) | Copy

I'm a teenage girl lol but sure I'm a 'creep'😂 Lying can definitely be part of the deal, when the deal is giving the client an experience. I don't know much about her situation specifically but it seems like he wanted to purchase the girlfriend experience and she provided that for him.

Wow 2 ad hominem in one comment. Classy.

[–]Swanksterino0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Wait, correctly identifying a lie as not business, and calling 'companionship' for money prostitution , is an ad hom? You are a true marvel.

BTW, not judging, I didn't say either was bad, just they are what they are. You're the one who fpr some reason chose to add a value judgement. I think we know why that is.

[–]PedophileMurderer-3 points-2 points  (1 child) | Copy

You're envious because she makes more money than you. That makes you petty and a bitch. Most bluepill post I've ever read. Almost threw up

[–]Raikkonen7160 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I had simply asked myself... would I want to know if my women of interest was secretly a whore? Yes I would.

You did well op. Lot of people here don't understand that you can't always know everything during a LTR. Sure, you can be on alert for yellow and red flags, but some women are masters of deception, they've been raised this way and can be manipulative and machiavellian just like we do. I've been raised in the eastern Europe, i can think of so many examples.

[–]Ketogainsmongoose 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Every woman who has ever lived has been a prostitute.

Whether it's time, money, access, validation, commitment, etc depends on the parties involved.

The price of sex is cheap, there is no value in the stock because the market is being flooded. If a girl consciously tries to cultivate her SMV, great. More power to her.

The girl in your story already had low value, what good did it do you?

You were only interested in one thing: validation. You were mad because you were duped once upon a time, same as this guy, and you were too blind to see it.

The more senior contributors here can see it and are calling you out on it. You broke frame and entered hers by validating her dumb lifestyle.

Her life choices weren't offensive enough for your tastes, obviously, to stay your hand when it was your turn to cut out a slice of her Apple pie for yourself.

Hey, do whatever the fuck you want, but own your shit instead of making excuses and insulting the communities' intelligence. This didn't increase your value at all, you lost access to pussy, you broke frame, and to top it off you're the move off of emotions rather than being rational.

Slip ups are OK, but indulging in and excusing your own poor choices, then coming her for support is not what this sub is here for. If you want to engage that in that crap, MGTOW is a keystroke away.

Own your shit, dude.

[–]Swanksterino-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

This from a 8 month old account. WTF would you know about what the senior contributors think? Wtf is your definition of frame? And the information was literally handed to him, because she was so proud of how she is.

He followed his conscience, and did what he had to do to sleep comfortably at night, with knowledge he didn't ask for. That is frame, doing what you need to, despite what some sophmoric, neophyte might think of him.

Pipe down, till you actually understand something here.

[–]setsuna00 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Good work. I'd want someone to tell me if I was in his position. It saves a lot of time and money.

[–]tropzumuch0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Bros before whores. Even if the Bro is less a Bro to you, than the whore is a whore

[–]timpham0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

On one hand, you're a little bitch who envy of other men success. On the other hand, you just save another little bitch who couldn't get pussy in California.

[–]chuckthundercock0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I don't like being as harsh as some guys on here but you played the role of white knight. AWALT, including probably many of the snoflakes you've dated / seen / fucked. Yes you'd like to know but Bevin wasn't a family member, friend, et cetera. Her hamster will kick in, he'll probably forgive her, take her back, and the only villian ends up being you. I see this shit all the time an I mind my own business. Next thing you know one of he billionaire sugar daddies will send someone to your door to remove your teeth. I'd advice keeping your mouth shut and using this bit of field knowledge to just remember that AWALT and stay out of others business.

[–]AshyLarry270 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The whole "I told the guy about the girl" piece made me cringe. I get it, sounds great, saving some dude from some POS chick. Reality is, you're interfering with a form of "natural selection." You don't know that guy. Oh good, you saved him from "learning the hard way," right? Come on man ...

[–]Narcissist4560 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Dude you're a champ for doing the right thing. I love when whores get exposed to their blue pill white knight cuck bfs. If only more men were exposed to the truth. A+ post!!

[–]m0rphing0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'm trying to understand what you gained by ratting this girl out to Bevan. Did you not think you could get anything more out of your relationship with her and wanted to end things with a bang? Did you hope to make Bevan indebted to you and thus gain something from him in the future? Did the german chick just piss you off so you wanted to punish her? Because from what you've said it doesn't seem like you got anything out of this.

[–]SB-10 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

So presumably she didn't fall in love with you as you hoped?

[–]Gracynvh0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

It is too bad that you don't ever want to have a female housemate again. I understand the reason though, after going through such a dramatic experience. I assure you that not all of us are like that. I as a roommate mostly just quietly study in my room. About the matter at hand I applaud you for contacting the man. That was definitely the right thing to do

[–]Wolveryn[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Oh, I could live with female housemates, just not 'like that'. Thanks, yea it was a tough decision to make... quite a weird situation to be in at that.

[–]caritercarter0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

you did a horrible thing but like you said, KARMA.

[–]MisterRoid-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

You had no obligation to help him, but still did. I would probably not have done the same, but I still think it was a good deed.

[–]Fulp_Piction-2 points-1 points  (6 children) | Copy

Why bother? You're just white knighting a beta.

You really think Bevans going to learn from this?

[–]Wolveryn 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Why bother? Why bother.... The same reason I bother to contribute to TRP, I believe the scales are weighted against men these days, its a kind of pleasure to participate in a kind of resistance... and I live my life in a way to help tilt those scales a little back towards the middle. Whether that is helping out younger men in my social circle or raising my son in with valuable knowledge....

Why bother?


[–]Fulp_Piction1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

More power to you if that makes you happy, but it's a waste of time. You can't force the game to be fair, beta's aren't going to listen unless they want to and the pleasure you feel is probably ego massage.

You went out of your way to fuck up some chick's hoodwinkery of her little beta boy. Who cares? She's gonna rinse repeat, he's gonna rinse repeat and the world will keep turning.

Really ask yourself why you feel that 'pleasure' in 'resistance', because it seems like you're taking out the fact that 'the scales are weighted against men' on women, that's just bitterness. I don't think it will help.

[–]Wolveryn 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

To be fair, I sent a facebook message from my bed, I wouldn't say "I went out of my way''.

I don't think it was an ego massage thing, it was just observing an injustice and feeling uneasy about standing by and letting it happen. And it was a huge injustice! You call it hoodwinkery? I call it mother fucken c**tyness of the highest order.

Unforgiveable, dark, evil, succubus shit.

Bitterness is a common theme in TRP, but I don't think it applies here.

Imagine if he got an STD to go with everything else, the paying for her flights, the introducing her to his family at the wedding.

I will go so far as to say, that the "It doesn't effect me" attitude is why societies are starting to regress in terms of standard of living... everyone has become so narcissicistic in their outlook on life that we no longer form unions, we no longer work as collective teams to positive end goals.

[–]Fulp_Piction0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I admire your conviction, I hope it works for you.

I meant out of your way figuratively, not literally, but ok.

The thing is though that while you care, hypergamy doesn't and AWALT. Your cuntiness of the highest order is just manifestations of hypergamy, and resistance is suffering. Just learn the rules of the game everybody's playing and move up the ladder. You've got a cheat book here, use it.

If he got an STD then he has to take responsibility for that. Not because it's his fault (let's say it's not), but because it has massive consequences on his life so why be so careless. The shit that brought most of us here is none of our faults, nobody asked to be socially conditioned, raised by women or neglected, but that doesn't mean we're excused. The "don't bullshit yourself" post from like a week ago explains this better, but basically; take responsibility for the shit that affects you, not the shit that's your fault. Pragmatically it makes more sense. Blame is usually an excuse.

Cool idea, but it's hard to say if it's true or not. My idea: if everybody takes responsibility for their own lives and results then it'd encourage growth. The world is basically sink or swim anyway, except instead of dying maybe you end up like the shitty salesmen on the business end of Alec Baldwin's speech in Glengarry Glenross.

You mean that I'm selfish because I rank the needs of others below my own, but I'd just rather live in a meritocracy where I can be as responsible for my own success and failure as possible. I think you're naïve to think that any other way will work. Politically, you're at the very first step of the road to communism, and we all know how that goes.

[–]Wolveryn 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

I help a guy out... and now I’m at the first step to communism...

Let’s agree to disagree.

[–]Fulp_Piction1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Haha we both know you've made a huge leap there, nice logic kiddo.

[–]twy3440-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

I don't understand why you'd fuck her over for some dude you don't really know? And how different is he from the other Sugar Daddies anyway?

[–]Forcetobereckonedwit-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

The oldest "profession" in the world. Glad you told him. Why she felt she had to include deceiving Bevan in her whore plans is the saddest part. AWALT guys...they own the pussy. Caveat emptor.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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