Be sure to make best friends with Chad Thundercock. It's eye-opening.

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November 19, 2017

tl;dr: Go hang out with my very attractive best friend last night to shoot pool. Fucks a stranger in her hotel room 8 minutes after walking in the door.

Do yourselves a favor, folks - make sure that you become best friends with Chad. All ideas and beliefs about most women having self-respect, non-slutty mindsets, etc. will melt away right before your eyes.

My best friend is basically Chad Thundercock. Women go apeshit over this guy. Yes, he's in good physical shape, but he was lucky enough to be born with a face most women revere as a carving of a Greek statue. This guy has fucked every girl, her sisters, and their moms. Hell, my own sister fucked this guy. When we go out, 9 times out of 10, I'm the "less attractive" friend who doesn't get the attention he does. We'll chat with groups of gals, and they stare at him most of the conversation. Most of the time I simply accept this, roll with it, and it doesn't bother me.

But last night hit me right in the feels, and temporarily took all of the wind out of my sails.

To be fair, I get my share of compliments, women thinking I'm hot, flirting with me, etc. I am a married man, however, so I decide not to cheat; it's just not worth it.

So we arrive, and I'm just in the greatest mood, feeling buzzed off some rum, and ready to have fun. We approach the bar to get quarters. Chad puts down his money, and three girls are at the other side of the bar. One of them stares at Chad. He smiles at her, and stares until she looks away. She talks to her friends, obviously about him, and we walk away to play pool. He never says a word.

About 90 seconds later, here she comes. Now, to be honest, she wasn't my type, and not a girl I'd go for. But I'm sure many men would. We're playing pool, and he's making small talk. I'm focused on pool (it's why I'm there), and she looks at me and makes a "he's so serious" comment, instantly making me feel that she's viewing me as the "weirdo, dull friend." I could've hit back with something witty, but I was honestly focused on the game, and not some buzzed bimbo with nothing interesting to offer.

In 2 minutes, they're making out right in front of my face. In 3 minutes, Chad is grabbing her titty. In 4 minutes, she invites him up to her hotel room, and he gladly obliges. So, they leave, and there I am - all alone, with a pool table, just trying to soak it all in, simply astonished, again, at how easily highly attractive men get laid.

I have a good 20 minutes of standing around, feeling like a loser with no one to chat with, when he finally comes back downstairs, with a huge smile on his face. And I'm just thinking....holy fuck, man. You have no clue how lucky you are. This was, I think, the third girl he smashed just this week.

At this point, my momentum is gone, my mood sucks, and I just cannot stop thinking - like a little bitch - just how little effort is required from attractive men to get what all of us so desperately want. Sex.

I'm pretty sure he felt my shift in mood, and actually apologized for leaving me downstairs, and I just brushed it off as if it didn't bug me. But it did. The main reason is this: unless I lowered my standards a bit, total strangers fucking me raw within 10 minutes is not a common thing for me. It has happened, yes, but not with that tremendous amount of ease.

I slept it off, awoke the next day, and I'm back to feeling good. But it was another pill swallowed, a blatant display of the 80/20 rule, and how biology rolls the die and some people just hit the lotto, and some poor folks don't.

  • Be hot

  • If you aren't that hot, do the best you can

  • Hot guys will step in and fuck the girl you've been "working on" for a month in a single night

Bitchfest over.

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Title Be sure to make best friends with Chad Thundercock. It's eye-opening.
Author StinkyDiaper
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Date 19 November 2017 06:23 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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[–]red_matrix[🍰] 553 points554 points  (45 children) | Copy

It's the jagged razor pill we all need to take. Life is unfair by design, the sooner you realize this, the sooner you can learn how it works and how to start playing to win.

[–]mr_wiffles104 points105 points  (2 children) | Copy

There is so much truth in this statement. And it goes beyond mating too: finances, politics, friendships, health, family and so on. NONE of these are fair, and as you said, the sooner we accept that simple truth, the sooner we can adjust strategy and start flipping the script.

[–]red_matrix[🍰] 15 points16 points  (1 child) | Copy

Exactly. Don't let life just happen to you. If you approach life like a game then everything changes. Everyone should learn game theory, or at least understand the basics. There's a reason billionaires own NBA teams, and it's not to make money.

[–]clearbluwatr2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

What’s the reason they own nba teams ?

[–]Wolveryn208 points209 points  (9 children) | Copy

Or you can ya know... take an LSD hit, and realise we're all part of a single consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, and that the need to win is just a part of our biological nature, until we understand our own nature we're a slave to it.... you realise sex with hot women is just another dopamine hit not unlike other drugs... we're all going to die, and no matter how good or how often one guy slams pussy it leads to no difference in happiness in the end... queue linkin park music.

Oh who am I kidding, the guys a lucky bastard.

[–]Heizenbrg10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

I definitely like your take on it, sure life sucks and is unfair if you don't get bestowed with the best genes, but yea everyone dies.
Took my first hit not too long ago and it was definitely eye opening.

[–]Reunn26 points27 points  (2 children) | Copy

I thought you were posting the Bill Hicks bit at first.

[–]CQC36 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Ditto, also makes you think of Third Eye by Tool right after.

[–]untonyto5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Hamster down. Repeat. Hamst- death rattle

[–]yumyumgivemesome2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Definitely the best part of taking it is that connection with the entire universe. Since that trip/connection doesn't last forever, TRP is a nice tool to help maximize the quality and frequency of our individual perceptions.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Definitely though psychedelics + observing women > observing women. I am married and do not try and get laid, but I am nevertheless fascinated by the game in play in all environments at all times, so I still keep informed and also try to remain competitive within that structure, if only for the boost to my own marriage.

So I sometimes recreationally approach and engage women, but at the escalation stage I tend to drop the W bomb and observe the deflating. I will ften keep a running internal scorecard/check list and gauge the likelihood that I could fuck this or that girl in-game. I like to think I'd do ok in my little ponds.

Tripping though, game is next level. Maybe it's being more attuned to their more subtle movement and then instinctively mirroring it- whereas with some effort I will advance to an escalation stage, if I am tripping, this is initiated just with eye contact, sometimes from across a room or through a crowd. You can just see in plain view a woman's thirst and suggestiveness and invitations.

[–]kardz3317 points18 points  (0 children) | Copy

Well put. Gold. Someone that doesn’t take failure.

[–]TheDeadlyZebra8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy

I tend to believe at a certain point Transhumanism will completely alter the game of life. If we can immediately reprogram our personal genetic configuration, every man will look a lot like Chad Thundercock, and more importance will be placed on game and compiled intellect or wealth instead of on appearance.

Such a change would be revolutionary for the 80% of men lower on the ladder. Consequently, instant sex would also be more difficult for pre-existing Chads.

[–]urs_sarcastically0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Life is unfair to everyone, and therein lies it's fairness

[–]wtg2989-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

You can't play to actually win. The game is rigged. All you can do is accept it and not get upset after losing the game you already lost at birth.

[–]red_matrix[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You can win, but only if you want to. Also, sex doesn't equal winning.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor209 points210 points  (30 children) | Copy

I am developing a theory that you can take the Red Pill by the oral route but it doesn't really stick until it is used as a suppository and shoved up your ass.

Of course your good looking friend is "Alpha" because, lift, and he is just "confident" with women. Yah, that's it.

[–]RedsideoftheMoon138 points139 points  (10 children) | Copy

I’m positive most guys come here because of a bad breakup, or the unicorn of their dreams was effortlessly picked up and fucked into oblivion by someone they know.

[–]GOODLORD10051 points52 points  (8 children) | Copy

I’m here because my ex-girlfriend of 2 years cheated on me with 6 guys. 5/6 of these guys had pretty goofy faces and no bodies. One guy was very overweight and sloppy and he sent me sextapes of them in Valentine’s Day, when she told me she was staying in because she was sick.

One guy out of 6 was a “chad” and he was the only one my girlfriend saw multiple times and talked everyday with. They met 2 days after we returned from vacation with her family. He texted me months later that he thought she was “weird” and stopped talking to her

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (7 children) | Copy

Why would this guy send you the sex gape? Did he have something against you?

[–]GOODLORD10036 points37 points  (6 children) | Copy

He told my girlfriend that he hasn’t been laid in 4 years and until she came along and I had sex with him as a repayment for “being nice to her” when she was blacked out drunk.

I didn’t know at the time she cheated and we were still together, so he sent me the footage and told me about the other guys that she apparently told him about. He sent me screenshots of her texts too.

His reasoning for sending the sextapes was so we break up and he can get with her again. I’m not joking when I say this guy is very overweight and sloppy and ugly.

Edit: grammar

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (3 children) | Copy

I don't get it. Was he trying to do you a favor by letting you know your girl was cheating on you?? If so he could've just told you instead of sending you the sex tape. If he was trying to rub it in your face then that's different and I'd be surprised cause where I'm from you get your ass kicked for doing something like that.

[–]Arabian_Wolf20 points21 points  (0 children) | Copy

very overweight



From my experience, guys like this tend to act weird in a blue pill way, bordering omega territory, and sometimes out of revenge for “unfairness” done by his family, which spilled into his social life.

[–]untonyto7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Dude so steeped in blue pill thirst that the programming has overwritten some Basic Decency 101 in his head.

[–]GOODLORD1000 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I’m not sure if he was doing any favors. He would first send me screenshots of their texts and would tell me what happened and how it happened in a lot of details I didn’t need to hear about. I didn’t know who he was so I never responded. He would get frustrated and start cursing me out and saying all this crazy shit. When that didn’t work, he hacked a lot of our things, sent me multiple sex tapes, and claimed he posted a sex tape of them from his “hidden camera” online.

This continued well after we broke up. Last I heard, police gave him a visit at work and a case is opened up with the federal government because of the hacking.

Thank god someone on another forum directed me here.

[–]TheBloodEagleX4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Did the dude wear a fedora?

[–]AwkwardEmpath1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Lol unicorn of their dreams. Love it.

[–][deleted] 58 points59 points  (6 children) | Copy

Yeah, last night was definitely a no-lube, right up my ass redpill moment. No matter what I ever do, I will never be as attractive as him. And that's okay - that's reality. And I can accept it.

But it's painful.

[–]Arabian_Wolf24 points25 points  (0 children) | Copy

I have a very attractive friend who women hit on him all the time, he’s one of the most timid, bluepill guys I ever known, yet he slays like a raged barbarian.

Perhaps it’s a blessing in disguise, maybe you need to move to a place where your SMV will skyrocket, if you want to cheat that is.

[–]TheDeadlyZebra10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

You could always go the South Korean route and smash your face into something better

[–]RedHoodhandles6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

If there is always someone better, nobody wins.

[–]searcher6121 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Put your friend, who I am sure is top notch, in the right group of guys and he won't be. There's always someone more attractive.

Sounds like you are doing good for yourself and crushed it and are happy in the marriage ... no need for it to be painful.

The post is spot on though, shows just how easy it is for some (at least with getting laid).

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

What?! There is so much you can do! Tear his ass down. Beat him at something manly in front of women. Shame his prettiness as effeminate while demonstrating a more grizzled and primal virility. Sound intimidatingly intelligent and authoritative. Play guitar? You shouldn't be so resigned.

And that's just on the mostly-arguably-benevolent/acceptable-within-man-friend-limits courses of actions. We can start a whole topic on violence that men do to diminish the attractiveness of otherwise superior rivals. The vulgar call that Capitalism I believe.

[–]PaulAJK46 points47 points  (10 children) | Copy

no, naturals are defiately a thing. I've a mate who's incredibly blue in his relationships, buts slays like a Hollywood A lister because of his height and face.

[–]richpianoooo6 points7 points  (9 children) | Copy

so they attract andd pull but as the relationship goes on thats when if he is not mentally alpha she will see through it though.

[–]FindTheBus18 points19 points  (4 children) | Copy

so they attract andd pull but as the relationship goes on thats when if he is not mentally alpha she will see through it though.

sounds like a nice





you got going there

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yeah this entire post was actually just proof of the black pill.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

He's kind of right though.

Mental strength is very important when it comes to keeping a woman and building a healthy relationship, which is what most undamaged men want. I've got some tall handsome friends who are bossed around by their girlfriends and would probably get cheated on because they're pussies.

Good looking men do have it on easy mode though. You instill dread every time you leave the house, intentional or not. Women stare, are extra nice to you, etc.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Biggest fucking cope I’ve read.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

So she sees it through, leaves, and a plethora of new women stand in line to take her place.

[–]searcher6121 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Assuming he is RP enough to not be stuck or broken up by the one that leaves.

[–]yumyumgivemesome0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This is why frame is so important. Women have spent years practicing their skill set for bringing men to their knees.

[–]LeftHello278 points279 points  (46 children) | Copy

Anyone of us can get in great physical shape, and you will notice a significant increase in how you are perceived by others. Historically, I'm a huge nerd so starting to lift was extremely difficult, but I still bust my ass in the gym, and it pays off. Chodes at the bar will look at me and say I'm "lucky" assuming I was born with muscles or something. For an extra hour of fun on the weekend, it cost me hundreds of hours in the gym. Not easy, casual hours either - I'm talking lifting to failure every time (no pain no gain). Yes part of it is genetics, but boi you can elevate yourself higher than you think.

"It takes 10 years to make an overnight success"

[–]washington_breadstix123 points124 points  (4 children) | Copy

Preach! I've seen some guys on this subreddit who need to stop lamenting Chad Thundercock and start lamenting their body fat percentages.

[–]CuckedByTRUMP6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy

Hell, most trp people advocate doing a cycle or five. They aren't even advocating for you to do it the fair way.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

LOL "fair". I had the average t-level of an 80 year old and high estradiol when I started TRT at 41.

Life's not fair.

[–]GEN_GOTHMOG0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Indeed. What's worse is that (here in the UK) the NHS will literally pay for trannies to be pumped full of female hormones AND have their cocks removed. No questions.

MFW I get denied a reversible vasectomy because "i'm not old enough to make that decision", and I have to buy test on the black market or from some dude in the gym.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

reversible vasectomy

TBF that is not a guarantee. The rest is true though. Also f to m trans will recieve testo without problems.

[–]Shakydrummer21 points22 points  (0 children) | Copy

Entirely. As my roommate put it, you really don't see how shallow people are until you get more attractive.

I spent the last year basically sticking to a 4 day a week workout regiment, diet adjusting, calorie counting, and even quit drinking. I'm seeing the difference now with how people are flirting with me and so on and so forth and if anything it's a nice incentive to stay the course.

[–]BobbyPeru53 points54 points  (2 children) | Copy

Same here. I lifted regularly in high school and I couldn’t get over 145 lbs, 6’ tall. But, I wanted it so bad, that I lifted every set to fail. Changing diet to add calorie and protein was key too. I went from being the skinniest high schooler you’ve ever seen to a pretty jacked dude.

I’m near 50 and in the best shape of my life. Why? Because I never stopped.

[–]Batmansiphone9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

At 6'4 I could never get over 150lbs in high school. At uni just kept trying to add calories, im up to 5000 a day just to increase by about a lb a month. Almost always full and bloated, but at the end of the day boy is it worth it.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

"It takes 10 years to make an overnight success"- im putting this as my phones wallpaper

[–]tenxs 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Chodes at the bar will look at me and say I'm "lucky" assuming I was born with muscles or something.

Guys are annoying with this, but girls are worse. Chicks tend to be so disappointed when they find out you were not born with an FFMI of 22+. It's disenchanting her perception of you. Everything has to be effortless for you and hard work in the gym is a turn off. It's just ridiculous.

[–]Mr-Kabuki0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

There's no way hard work in the gym can be a turn off. But saying that you had to learn how to talk to girls and weren't naturally a social savage from the womb is a turn off.

[–]tolerantman0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Men with bad facial features will never look attractive, no matter how muscular they get. I don't want your post to give people false hope.

[–][deleted] 165 points166 points  (30 children) | Copy

If you think HE has it good, imagine the life of an equally attractive woman. Just sit back and contemplate that for a few minutes - how exponentially amazing a beautiful woman has it. Hell, men pay money just to look at pictures of sexy women! Let me repeat that - men pay money just to look at an image of them. Let that sink in.

[–]Knives9160 points61 points  (13 children) | Copy

But an ugly woman has it worst of all. Haha

[–][deleted] 68 points69 points  (1 child) | Copy

You'd be surprised. As long as they're not a pinhead circus freak looking uggo and have a decent social circle they can get dick. Trust me.

I was in the elevator at my school last year and overheard some fat gross chick I'd consider to be a 2 maybe 3 bragging to her friend about cheating on her BF. I mean her BF was probably a weak dick chump but thats still an option.

[–]1empatheticapathetic16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy

Their ability to cheat is their measure of their success. Not even so much the SMV of the boyfriends (unless he's an obvious outlier).

[–]WalterEArmstrong17 points18 points  (0 children) | Copy

There's NO woman so homely, obese and stinky that some pathetic wretched excuse for a male won't prong her.

[–]aDrunkenWhaler87 points88 points  (9 children) | Copy

An HB3 guy has is way worse than a HB3 woman. Not even close.

[–]CuckedByTRUMP19 points20 points  (7 children) | Copy

I think he means potential wise. An HB3 guy can become successful and get women who want him for his desirable traits of being talented in the world of business or just straight up gold digging.

An HB3 woman? She's screwed. No amount of degrees, business success, etc. is going to get some good looking guy to want her. I mean actually want. Plenty of women actually want people like elon musk. Musk is ugly as sin. Look at pictures of him. I mean really look. The dude is an HB3. If he was fatter he would be an HB2. He had to get hair implants to not be bald since his twenties. Women would line up to take his sperm donations at a sperm bank. They would want his children with no financial incentive.

Not a man in the world would want an HB3's eggs. I mean, if she was like joan of arc or some badass 1 in 20 billion woman who changed the fate of the whole world and your son having her as a mother would be helpful to him I guess maybe but everyone likely goes with the tall chick with good genetics and a good degree. They don't care at all if she reached billionaire status.

I am rambling, it's late but I hope I got the feeling of what I think he was saying across.

[–]zephyrprime6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

She can lose weight. Losing weight is a lot easier and faster than becoming a body builder. Even if she has an ungly face, just losing weight can boost her to a 5-6.

[–]Arabian_Wolf4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Idiot religious guys marry HB3 for love and her apparent inability to cheat hahaha.

[–]aDrunkenWhaler-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy

I think he means potential wise. An HB3 guy can become successful and get women who want him for his desirable traits of being talented in the world of business or just straight up gold digging.

No woman will fuck a HB3. He has to work his ass off, gym, career etc, for years. Has to have a hell of an attitude and mindset, which in itself are rare commodities. Even with that, his chances to get above HB6 is close to zero, and his dating pool is very limited.

An HB3 woman? She's screwed. No amount of degrees, business success, etc. is going to get some good looking guy to want her. I mean actually want. Plenty of women actually want people like elon musk. Musk is ugly as sin. Look at pictures of him. I mean really look. The dude is an HB3. If he was fatter he would be an HB2. He had to get hair implants to not be bald since his twenties. Women would line up to take his sperm donations at a sperm bank. They would want his children with no financial incentive.

Wrong. Guys up to HB6 will be ok fucking a HB3, because they have no other options. Also, a HB3 woman can put on some makeup and she is a HB5. Between 3-6 months in the gym and away from mcdonalds and she can be HB6-HB7 with makeup and a revealing outfit. She can fuck up to HB8s and even HB9s, so 90% of the male population, with just a few months of effort.

Elen Musk is a fucking rockstar, HB fucking 10. Without his fame, HB8 because he looks good, works out, has class, style and is rich. Doesn't matter he was bold and a wimp in the past, women only care about the present.

Not a man in the world would want an HB3's eggs. I mean, if she was like joan of arc or some badass 1 in 20 billion woman who changed the fate of the whole world and your son having her as a mother would be helpful to him I guess maybe but everyone likely goes with the tall chick with good genetics and a good degree. They don't care at all if she reached billionaire status.

You are deluding yourself. Most men are thirsty as fuck and would fuck goats. Plenty of men I know marry 200+ lbs blobs.

[–]CuckedByTRUMP0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

No woman will fuck a HB3.

Dead wrong. Dead fucking wrong.

He has to work his ass off, gym, career etc, for years.

So some women will fuck an HB3.

Wrong. Guys up to HB6 will be ok fucking a HB3,

That's really not what we are talking about. We aren't talking about ugly people fucking ugly people. All ugly people can fuck other ugly people. We are talking about ugly people fucking good looking people.

Elen Musk is a fucking rockstar, HB fucking 10.

HB scale is just looks and nothing else. It's not charisma, it's not people skills, it's not your nice car, it's not your wealth, etc. It is just how you look to people who nothing about you other than how you look. You are confusing SMV with HB scale.

You are deluding yourself. Most men are thirsty as fuck and would fuck goats.

I would never fuck anyone who was lower than an 8 and they would need to have a great personality if they were an 8.

Plenty of men I know marry 200+ lbs blobs.

Yea, because those guys are also low on the scale. We are not talking about ugly fucking ugly. We are talking about HB3s fucking above their weight by a lot.

[–]aDrunkenWhaler0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

We have different oppinions on this, no point taking it further.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (6 children) | Copy

I think, a part from casual sex, life as a hot woman must be horrible. No one is interested in knowing you and everybody tries to manipulate you

[–]LuvBeer21 points22 points  (3 children) | Copy

As a man, are people actually interested in knowing you? Or are they primarily interested in what you can do for them? I suspect this is merely human nature.

[–]TheBloodEagleX6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Everything feels like a transaction the older I get. Only person I trust and really care about is my father.

[–]Nazmanito0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You guys all sounds like you had no friends ever

[–]SelfTaughtPiano2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

get the fuck outta here with that BP thinking.

She could have a million nice betas if she wanted.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (7 children) | Copy

Lol, it's fucking amazing, isn't it? If reincarnation is real, I hope I come back as a smoking hot female model.

[–]SomeCoolNickname16 points17 points  (5 children) | Copy

You don't actually want this. Nor do you really want to be your hot dude friend. Being either of these does not incentivize growth...

[–]AttackOnKvothe8 points9 points  (4 children) | Copy

What is better, though?

Growth, or having 70 years of easy and fun and great life?

[–]trpcounsel9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy

Lol what? It's 30 years of easy and fun and great life. Post-Wall they're all miserable. Are you new here?

Edit: Spelling

[–]SelfTaughtPiano1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

That is not neccessarily true. She's probably still having more fun post-wall than you are in your prime.

There are a lot of coping mechanisms around this sub. The Wall is used as one of them.

[–]AttackOnKvothe1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I meant genetic-winner men.

I personally believe the better life you have at the beginning, the better life you will have in the end.

The only reason the top CEOs are all from "poor, hard" backgrounds, it's survivors bias.

Not ALL top CEOs are from there, only like 20% or 1/4, but sensationalist media focuses on those.

And why are they "Survivor Bias" ? Because many more have been born in bad situations, just all the others ended up in McDonalds or killed themselves.

We only see the succesful unedrdogs, because the unsuccesful underdogs, which are more, never make it to shine in the light.

Just my opinion on a internet forum, for what's worth.

[–]yumyumgivemesome0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Just imagine how much dick you could get!

But seriously, a smoking hot woman still typically has a much more difficult life than a generally successful man. There are definitely a tiny fraction of those girls who cast their ambitions and morals aside to let themselves be whisked away on private jets to private islands. However, they usually are giving up a bit of their own interests, freedom, identities to live that type of life. And as they approach 30, they start becoming extremely well aware that this period of life is coming to an abrupt end.

[–]thefisherman1961132 points133 points  (11 children) | Copy

Sometimes all you have to do is go to a bar and exist, and a hot 21 year old piece of ass whose got a couple drinks in her will just come up to you and try to get you to fuck her ASAP.

[–]StudntRdyTeachrApear50 points51 points  (2 children) | Copy

This happened to me five times this summer. Living in a tourist beach town is cheating though.

[–]leviathan516 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy

Could you please elaborate?

[–]thefisherman196116 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy

You're just chilling at the bar, she's horny and a little tipsy, she comes up to you and starts flirting with you after you make eye contact.

You don't need much game either because if a girl wants you she makes it really easy for you. Only requirement for game at that point is to not be an aspie fuck and just escalate sexual tension mostly through body language. Easier when you've had a couple drinks too.

[–]301niko16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's all about her mood she's in at the moment. So anyone can fuck if they time it right.

[–]matisseman12 points13 points  (2 children) | Copy

Or go to any place with a dance floor and bust a move like you don't give a fuck, generally have fun just dancing by yourself or with friends, and babes will be drawn to you. Can do wonders for you if you're not Chad.

[–]thefisherman19617 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Guys who don't have an excellent sense of rhythm should not be dancing, ever. And if you're going to dance, for fuck's sake dance to the beat and not to the melody. Unless your goal is to look as white as possible

[–]yaboy_3343 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Wow that has never happened to me that easily (and I'm in good shape with above average face and have spent plenty of time partying in the bar scene). I'm 5.8 though... you must be a chad if that happens to you.

[–]NotAnotherSJWAgain40 points41 points  (5 children) | Copy

There's a guy I work with who moonlights as a male model, roughly same age as me. He's the 'after' picture on an actual product out there. He looks so good it is aesthetically pleasing to look at him even for me. I joke with him that I did not realize how unfair life was when I was working so hard to get laid in high school and college - I was competing against people like him, no wonder it was hard! Anyway, he works for me now. Makes a tiny fraction of what I make. Has an unremarkable girlfriend. I would take his youth over mine in a milisecond. But at this age, my life is much better than his. Not sure what to make of all this. Perhaps a realization that if you have it too easy then maybe you don't strive as hard and in the end talent only takes you so far, you need to put in the work? I don't know.

[–]1OneRedYear29 points30 points  (1 child) | Copy

I had a buddy like that. We called him Kelso. He was a tall sculpted greek god. We used to work out together. Seriously, he could get two women fighting over him with a few glances. He was a total dudebro stoner. All he did was eat, lift, smoke and fuck bitches with the occasional bit of work when he couldn't find some milf to leech off of. Now he's pushing 40 with zero skills and getting fatter. But he still pulls the older broads for sugar mamas and cheats with the younger ones. But the quality of both isn't as high as it used to be. Still does better than me though. He was always such a good, generous and cool dude you couldn't really hate on him for having a charmed life.

[–]electricspresident10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

I find most of them, the genuinely good looking dudes face wise have this chill attitude. In this sense they don't get cocky arrogant or whatever. They just enjoying how easy it is for them but they don't go about showing off or putting others down in any context - girl or no girl. How nice it must be to be super naturally attractive.

[–]CQC36 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy

Honestly, guys in here are disproportionately uh...susceptible to feeling irritated at an uber Chad. Nobody here wants to hear this due to the nature of this sub, but is getting laid all the time really the only thing in life? Like is there really nothing more to life for some of these dudes?

I get it, I'm not downplaying needing to get laid, or wanting it. But how often is enough? I think that number varies man to man. If you wanna chase good looking pussy as a life goal then go for it, but I suspect many men here just have issues with themselves that they want to remedy by the validation of getting laid all the time. So much so that seeing really good looking guys get laid easily gets them down DESPITE the fact that they're no slouches themselves. It's not like an incel looking at Chad and feeling hurt, it's guy who are already getting laid (according to them) still looking at Chad enviously. It just strikes me as a mentality of "more is not enough".

More is not better. I think that is why so many notable men in history have advocated for some greater pursuit than day to day affairs in their lives, not because ordinary life is unworthy of interest, but it behooves a man to pursue something more than just trivial pleasures.

No amount of interest from women will rival the contentment of working hard and achieving something for yourself, investigating the world as a child would or cultivating awareness of something interesting to you. Ironically, outside the party sphere, it is this interest in other things that makes a man more attractive to the opposite sex.

[–]NotAnotherSJWAgain4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

I hear you. By the same token your body produces sperm constantly. Men can get horny every day or even more frequently. Just a biological reality.

[–]Raikkonen7161 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Wise words dude, this should have much more upvotes. Life is so much more than getting laid in big quantity.

Just look at the most successfull people on this planet. Politicians, entrepreneurs, actors, musicians, artists, and so on. How many of them look like Greek gods? Trump has a weird face, Putin is 5'6" at maximum, just battling in height with Al Pacino.

Sex is an important part of life, but there is a reason why some extremely successfull people aren't having sex all the time with an unlimited number of models, even if they easily could. As you, i suspect that a lot of people here are in love with the idea of receiving attention from a lot of hot women and the gelousy of their male friends, but it's just a whim that comes from the desire of validation. As someone put it here on TRP, having sex is great, but nobody ever found the meaning of life between the legs of a woman.

[–]Raikkonen71660 points61 points  (4 children) | Copy

"To be a 10, it's an extraordinary thing. We look like you, but we're not like you. It's like, we're from another planet, where force of gravity is so strong, it bends the light. It bends people too."

I have some friends like that, and it is depressing, yeah. It fucking sucks knowing that some people will live the dream, will get laid like warlords, will have more chances to land a great career, just because of their genetics. Not joking, they live in a different world.

So how should one react? By surrendering and getting depressed like some people on the internet recently do? No, one shold know that there is no point in looking at the success of others. The best way to react to this is by man up, accepting how nature works, and do as much as possible to maximize oneself and its experiences. Some people will have it easier, yeah, but envying the success of others won't give you a single benefit. Good news is, an average can get laid, can attract girls, can be successfull. We know how, thanks to this subreddit.

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (2 children) | Copy

The funny thing is that I know and am aware of all of these principles. I've been friends with the guy for 13 years now, and he's always pulled the hotties. I guess last night was just a reminder of what I thought I'd dealt with already - that, no matter what I do, I'll never have the raw genetic advantage that he has.

Accepting that can be hard.

[–]Morphs_15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's not your game to play in this life. Almost no man does. I've been in your position often enough to know it can sing at your self worth. Just become the best version of you.

Few realize how good they have it. That includes you btw. The fact that you live in a western country makes you richer than 99% of the earth population.

[–]WalterEArmstrong6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

You may have heard this already but LIFE AIN'T FAIR!! Get over it.

[–]yumyumgivemesome1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Additional good news is that by being men in today's society, we don't have to worry about aging the way women do. By sheer luck we won the very first genetic coin toss in life. It annoys me when fellow men bitch about how easy women supposedly have it. Just shows that those guys aren't paying attention and have so much to learn.

[–]SILENTSAM6963 points64 points  (9 children) | Copy

Grew up with him as a buddy. Watched him do the funniest thing to this one girl in particular.

Back in high school he gave her a ride home, and nothing happened. One of our buddies who use to loo up to him was all convinced that "Chad" banged her. Talked about it she she hated "Chad" for spreading the rumor.

Years later I was talking to one of her friends when she found out I was friends with "Chad." She told me the story, and I told her it was the other guy who spread the story, not "Chad." She quickly changed her tune to saying she didn't ink "Chad" would do such a thing. So for fun I got her number and gave it to him and told him about the conversation.

So that night she came by his house during a party. We laughed while I joked about what trash she was. He banged her and then made her wait outside for a cab to go home at 3am when she wanted to spend the night. The next day a new buddy didn't believe it happened so he called her again and again banged her and sent her home in a cab at 3am when she wanted to stay the night.

Most RP stuff just seems obvious when I grew up with him as a buddy. Good guy who got a hot small town girl who had only ever been with one guy as his wife now. He was smart enough to never commit to a slut.

[–]mishasam8922 points23 points  (8 children) | Copy

The 3 am thing...

I don't get it, don't these girls have any 'pride'?

[–]SILENTSAM6942 points43 points  (6 children) | Copy

That was what I couldn't believe. He made her leave the house and wait outside to call and wait for the cab since he had to work in the morning.

The fat that he did it two nights in a row is what was saddest. I can't believe she came back after the first night.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (3 children) | Copy

I'd be worried about getting falsely accused of rape or something. I'd just let her stay over, make up an excuse about having to get up at 6AM for work.. Or at least let her wait in my place lmao

[–]SILENTSAM6928 points29 points  (2 children) | Copy

We were young and never considered that type of thing back then. It was around 2000.

[–]Sensei_Hensei6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

I bet she's a mess these days.

[–]SILENTSAM692 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Hard to say. I would expect her to be married with children by now, but have no idea what happened after she graduated... if she did.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Instinct is one hell of a drug

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

When an alpha says go, you go. Thats how shit rolls

[–]RedIntrovert20 points21 points  (1 child) | Copy

That’s life, son.

In your defence, these girls know subconsciously that the best of the best are not really relationship material so they just want 20 minutes lol

It’s up to you to look your best.

[–]tallwheel15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy

In your defence, these girls know subconsciously that the best of the best are not really relationship material so they just want 20 minutes lol

That just makes it all the better for Chad, since usually 20 minutes is all he needs from them.

[–]fromthecrypt816 points17 points  (4 children) | Copy

Wow. That feeling you described after receiving her comment on you being so serious, is the exact same feeling I’ve had when I am out with my friend who is Chad minus (hes pulling 7-8s with that ease). I can imagine it’s almost like the feeling of being cuckolded. It’s a horrible feeling. It’s like in the presence of a more attractive man, they’re not even recognizing you and are being catty at you for potentially vag-blocking them from fucking a real man.

Great example of the 80/20 rule.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy

Dead-on, man. I know TRP members would love me to lie and say this didn't affect me at all, but it did, in exactly the way you describe. I was a mouse, he was a cat. I was a UCONN women's b-ball player, he was Lebron James on that court.

There's just no competing with that.

[–]450k_crackparty7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy

Hey I know that feel. I also have a good friend who is natural Chad. Basically the complete embodiment of TRP with no awareness of it. Honestly I just started to avoid going out with him if it was just the 2 of us hanging. No matter how good I am, how high energy, girls would see me as a pawn to get to him. It's eye opening and often hilarious to watch him effortlessly slay, but also kind of demoralizing. Really takes the wind out of your sails.

I'm fine at picking up girls in most other situations, but when next to a natural, forget about it.

[–]fromthecrypt82 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Is your friend blessed with good looks? Or is it mostly other stuff that makes him attractive?

[–]banjew109 points110 points  (26 children) | Copy

To be fair, it's worst for girls. If you were born a 2, then good luck, you can at most, be a 4 with all effort at 19, and then it goes all down from there. And you WILL end up a spinster, alone. That's why nuns exist.

If you were born a 10, and you are not stupid, you will end at 23 married to a millionaire, and fucking all the chads you want behind is back. Think about it, millionaire at 23. Just for being born with a cute face and big tits, while his fat friend is frantically running in a treadmill and doing shifts at McDonald's.

What I want to know is: This girl, was a 9? was a 7 at least? When I see histories of chads fucking girls in 15 minutes, it's because of a huge difference in SMV, I mean if the girl is a 6, and the guy is a 10, yes, she will fuck him in 10 minutes. Go speak to a fatty in a bar, she will also fuck you in 10 minutes.

If this guy fuck as much as you say, he maybe is eating a lot of fatties for lunch ;)

[–]gELSK61 points62 points  (5 children) | Copy

// , Here's the thing, though.

You will ALWAYS have a guy who will go after you. Always.

The same is just not true for men.

Think about it. If a woman walks into a bar, uuuuuuusually there is a guy, some guy, in that bar, who is thinking, "hmm, I would take that home. Maybe hit it from the back."

The same cannot be said for men.

[–]banjew39 points40 points  (4 children) | Copy

The same cannot be said for men.

If you ask 1000 times to 1000 girls that are under a 5, you will fuck dozens. But possibly you will regret it, lol.

[–]WalterEArmstrong8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

There's sumpt'n to be said about having some pride in yourself and not stick'n yer dick into just anything with two tits and a twat.

[–]ThrowFader14 points15 points  (1 child) | Copy

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[–]D4rkr4in-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

I throw up a little in my mouth when I think about <=5s

[–][deleted] 47 points48 points  (11 children) | Copy

Any girl can be attractive, she just need to be skinny and train her butt muscles, easy-peazy.

[–]NibblyPig52 points53 points  (8 children) | Copy

Just don't eat like a hippo. It really is that simple.

Sadly for guys it's don't eat like a hippo, also eat carefully and go to the gym 3+ times a week and do sports.

[–][deleted] 32 points33 points  (6 children) | Copy

Any girl with a bubble butt automatically becomes a HB7, they're privileged in every sense.

[–]FuckMichaelMcCoy38 points39 points  (3 children) | Copy

Seriously, saw this girl the other day with an amazing latina maid ass, the type you see in pornos, 18ish with a 4 face. I wanted to fuck her brains out, more than a pretty face plain body type girl you can find anywhere else in town.

The ass gave her priviledge for sure.

[–]washington_breadstix16 points17 points  (1 child) | Copy

Women like that are why god invented doggy style.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

hashtag bubblebuttprivilege

[–]MyStepdadHitsMe3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

So fucking true hahah especially when makeup exists.

[–]36Drareg6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy

59 points. and this is about as blue pilled as a post can be. Oh this stud fucks alot of girls quickly, they MUST be ugly fatties.

[–]blacklightsleaze3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Agree. I have close Chad friends too and they never fucked ugly women and you see them only with +7s. While the average guys usually fuck 4-5s and rarely they get lucky with 6s and 7s.

It's ridiculous how easy if for hot looking guys(tall,wide shoulders, hot face) to fuck hot girls, like they are meant for each other. I was at some beach body competition with my Chad friend and in the morning before the competition the fucked some of these instagram fitness models. It was like 5 min talk about fat levels and dehydration, she found an excuse in front of me to invite him in her room. It was fucking obvious why she invited him and what is going to happen, you can see in their eyes. After 15 mins he came back to our room, I asked him what happened and he told me with chill voice that the fucked her, like it was not a big deal for him to fuck 9s.

[–]drizzleforrizzle1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

What do these mofos look like lol

[–]Andgelyo3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

^ This. So what if he’s a Chad. An average dude can bang a fatty deprived of dick just because she’s hungry. I’m only giving him major props if he’s banging a fit non whale girl.

[–]banjew12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

My friend is tall, not really handsome but not ugly. He fuck tons of girls. I'm speaking 2 o 3 different each week. It's insane the amount of pussy he gets, he's famous for that.

Then, most girls he fuck are fatty, single mothers, girl over 40 and always less than a 4. Also he always tell them he's a engineer (he works at a supermarket).

[–]flyinglime0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I get laid pretty frequently but from 6’s and 7’s. No fatties, but the 8’s, 9’s and 10’s are much more rare, but I chock that up to never seeing any in my daily life. I haven’t had any luck getting girls that hot (9/10) from tinder, and I’m not in college anymore so those girls are rare. Maybe it’s time to get some hotter friends with hotter friends.

[–]banjew0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Is mostly being there, talking to girls. Photographers fuck 9 and 10 models all the time, just because they are there and other hotter guys are not.

Once I was in a group of 21-year old girls from work (I'm 40) one of them got totally in love with me, obsessed. She was about a 8. I didn't do anything, I just was there talking to them.

[–]Andgelyo0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Is this Photographer smashing models shit real? I know some friends who are like 5’6-5’7 asian dudes taking pictures of aspiring model girls and I can’t help but find it fucking weird that they would be smashing girls who are way higher on SMV than them

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (4 children) | Copy

Ahh, but my question is, has Chad smashed your wife yet??

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (2 children) | Copy

Wouldn't surprise me at this point, lol.

[–]Reanimated131 points32 points  (10 children) | Copy

I have about a 9 face but started balding around 25. Killed my confidence for a couple years until I owned it, shaved the shit off, and compensated by packing on 80 pounds of muscle.

Lemme tell you - the big muscles pull wool all on their own. I’m not saying muscles can make up for a 4 face, but they can help even then. Other things you can do - make sure your fucking teeth are sorted. My teeth are perfectly straight and I make sure they stay nice and white - that goes a long way and can help with a less than perfect face.

But do not underestimate the power of a muscular body. I’ve had girls fuck me just because of my arms (saying shit like “big arms are my thing”). Had a plate for a while who every time we fucked wouldn’t cum until she started grabbing my chest. I’d flex and she’d pop.

Point being, absolutely do not underestimate the wool-pulling power of muscle.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

Muscles like clothes are a compliment.

[–]Imakesensealot13 points14 points  (2 children) | Copy

I don't think you have any idea what 80bpunds of muscle looks like.

[–]Reanimated14 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

I went from 130 to 210 and am lean.

Not sure what you’re talking about other than just making a (lame) attempt at throwing shade.

[–]Imakesensealot2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

No, I'm saying that you gained muscle and fat and there's nothing wrong with that. You can't out on 80 pounds of bare lean muscle even on roids. It's just not possible.

[–]hawkeaglejesus0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

[–]Reanimated12 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

lol, Bezos also has a few billion dollars. He could still look like he did on the left and fuck supermodels.

[–]SuperCrazy070 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I don't know who that is, but that doesn't look like a guy who has girls throwing themselves at him in either picture.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

[–]LockedOnTheRedPill1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

But he sure as hell is doing close to the best with what he's got. Y'all goofies out here thinking that you can't get girls throwing themselves at you unless you look like the second coming of Adonis.

[–]Captnjack222 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

All true, and a pill you must swallow. I myself have always been a good friend to other men especially high smv, good wing man and good person to confide in. So I’ve befriended many chads has bee the years as both close friends and drinking buddies. Take solace, all chads time in the sun eventually ends. Best friend in high school, 6’3 looked 22 at 16, captain of football team. Today is fat, married, and has to bang call girls. Room mate in college, 6’5, model good looking, looked at weights and put on muscle also went to med school. Girls would literally gawk at him and call him Hercules. Today he’s in the midst of a divorce (college sweetheart cheated because he was always working) depressed, fat, and losing his hair. I’m also only in my late 20s seeing this stuff happen. The brightest stars burns out twice as fast. Most chads only get to be chads for a little while, and then since they didn’t have to develop in order to compete and everything came easy, the fall is hard and fast.

[–]squarehead9321 points22 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is an issue that seems to befall a lot of "naturals." These guys were naturally good looking and charismatic, so they probably never understood why they were so successful with women. They just were. And then they marry a high school sweetheart and get old and fat and lazy and wonder what went wrong.

That's why TRP is such an invaluable resource. By teaching you the "why" and not just the "how," even a non-natural can up his game and avoid the same pitfalls.

[–]RedsideoftheMoon41 points42 points  (0 children) | Copy

Your friends sound like losers. Work on your fucking careers boys. Chase your ‘mission’ as they say on here. Have vision. Chad or no chad, you can make something of your life and then when you’re 45 you’ll be a master of life and women will be cake. I know plenty of dudes in their 40’s who have been fucking BEAUTIFUL women consistently (obviously not pickup artist levels) since they were 20 because their first priority was figuring their lives out

[–]Andgelyo16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy

I fucking love this comment. As a late twenties male, who lifts, dresses nice, and has a promising career in the health care field, I couldn’t agree more. Most of my friends are balding already and have dead end jobs, or got married and getting fucked in the ass financially and spiritually by their wives.

[–]Pluglord10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

How is that silver lining? Just sounds like you were a shitty jealous "friend" who couldn't wait for their downfall.

[–]Arabian_Wolf1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

There’s something I noticed about married friends that have kids.

They prematurely aged, I know one who’s hair is greying, the other started to have wrinkles.

All of them below 30 years of age.

[–]RatioRegnum65 points66 points  (19 children) | Copy

I am that guy - over 6', fit, good looking, and smarter than the average bear. Fastest from "Hi" to sex has been under 2 minutes. I once made out with five women simultaneously (not as much fun as it sounds, BTW, you can't properly enjoy them). I could go on, but you get the point. Not bragging, I was dealt a winning hand.

But here's the thing.

It took me a long time to understand and put to use the advantages I have. I'm not a natural. My upbringing was horrible, I had zero self confidence. When I was young, women would throw themselves at me and I didn't close the deal because, despite all the evidence in my face (sometimes literally) I simply could not believe they were actually interested. I had to work on that, and at first I didn't even know what I was working on. The most girl-successful guy I knew in my highschool peer group was 5'4, halfway ugly, who walked, to quote another peer, "Like a duck with an egg up its ass", due to some condition for which he spent grade school in Forrest Gump style leg braces. He was an insecure, overcompensating fucktard, and to cap it off, he sported this ridiculous half-grown mustache because that was all the facial hair he could produce. However overcompensation was close enough to confidence for the girls, and confidence was what counted. I wouldn't say he slayed in high school, but he did well.

Fast forward to today, and he's a fat and balding plumber who failed at his dream, still insecure and overcompensating - but he still comes forward with hustle and I have to hand him that.

The equation is...

everything else X game = results

Everyone has at least a little in the everything else column, but if you have no game, you are nowhere.

[–]BreakingRed_37 points38 points  (5 children) | Copy

This rings a bell with me. Because of an accident that I had when I was young and my parents being uneducated to the point of agreeing with something unspeakable to my upbringing, I ended up lacking in self-esteem. Now that I got redpilled I can look back and realize that there were girls chatting me up, there was even a cute blonde that basically everyone railed and she was flirting me hard but I was such a virgin pussy I basically saw her as a man with breasts.

The shit your environment will do to you. People would kill to have my height or my young looks. I'm 6'2, low body fat, haven't stepped in a gym since forever and I look 10 years younger in my 30's. The vast majority of AFC's would love to have half of my biological dice roll, yet here I was in my room bitching and being depressed and unemployed.

Having a good roll of the dice but no game is like winning a Lamborghini but you can't drive for shit. Well, bad example because you can at least sell the car but you get the point.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (3 children) | Copy

Actually that is a good example because you could still sell your body /s

[–]BreakingRed_5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

I'm totally doing that post-death, for science.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

but why wait until post-death???

[–]untonyto3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

At first it was all I could manage to NOT facepalm. Second time around I doublefacepalmed the fuck out of my face.

[–]mishasam891 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

so wait,

did you ever get out of this situation?

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (2 children) | Copy

Thanks for the post, Chad. I've always had a clinical social and generalized anxiety, so that certainly doesn't help things much. I understand all of the redpill philosophy, but I'll totally admit that I still get nervous around attractive women, and can tend to "hyperfocus" on a hot female present, trying to impress her or gain attraction from her, and that's obviously a great way to shoot yourself in the foot.

[–]Sonic3245 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

Even after all the experience you had you still get anxious from time to time? That's eye opening for someone like me still trying to overcome the first hurdles of anxiety. Mind sharing what you enjoyed the most in overcoming the greater part of anxiety?

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

I gather he didn't get past it.

Read the Stoics- The Enchidron by Epictetus and most important The Meditations of Marcus Aralius if you want to learn how to "get past your anxiety."

Hint: Learn how to NGAF because a man (or woman) only has the power over you that YOU GIVE HER.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (1 child) | Copy

I'm not tall, but I have everything else going for me. Looks (besides height), intellect, money, etc. Growing up in an abusive household hamstrung me for years, though. I still got laid and had some decent relationships, but it was mostly pity-sex/dating. I didn't really start to get what I wanted until I started working on my game and confidence. I couldn't agree more that confidence/game is the most important thing. Everything else can magnify that, but without it, you won't really get anywhere.

[–]1OneRedYear1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I had nothing going for me when I was young, except that I didn't care. I wasn't ugly or handsome, just short and average. But dammit if I didn't swing for the fences in college and hit a few homeruns. Worth it.

[–]MysterManager10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

You can knock fat and balding, but I live in a metropolitan area and many plumbers charge $300 an hour it’s a no joke profession.

[–]WalterEArmstrong7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm guessing there's lots of doctors and lawyers who secretly wish they'd become plumbers.

[–]420KUSHBUSH3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Absolutely agreed. No matter how attractive you are if you don't have the slightest semblance of game then I believe you strike out very very fast

[–]36Drareg0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If you truly were dealt as winning of a hand as you say you had then you would have slayed all your life. Winning hand = good looking, atleast average height, and high testosterone.

[–]cashmoney_x0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I once made out with five women simultaneously

Assuming this is true, story time pls.

[–]RatioRegnum0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

@36Drareg - as @animalsasgoobers points out, a truly winning hand comes in not having an abusive upbringing that destroys your self-esteem.

@cashmoney_x - not much of a story. I went to a party, started making out with one girl, another joined in, then another, and suddenly it was a pile-on. Social proof snowball, with literally no effort on my part beyond being dressed for the venue.

I hasten to point out, I've got a long list of stories of fuckup, failure, and just Not Getting It when women have thrown themselves at me. I had to learn game the hard way. When it all comes together though, the results are astonishing.

[–]Jeffornaut10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

I think one of the biggest RP attributes was when you mentioned how he looked at the girl, smiled, and maintained eye contact until she looked away (submitted). First impression shit test passed

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah, it's good stuff. Him and I discuss redpill philosophy ad nauseum.

[–]BreakingRed_29 points30 points  (18 children) | Copy

Being a natural Chad is like being a natural scientist. You get to realize that the distribution of any human trait is not only Pareto-like but the top 20% will simply be a league on their own. I recall a lecture I was watching a few years ago with someone explaining this to the IQ difference between 125 and 135. It's like the 135 makes 125 look like a monkey struggling with a banana.

[–]samenrofringslikeLBJ 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

If you do sports, it's pretty crazy to feel this effect in the flesh. The guys going nr 1 in drafts, you cannot ever practice or workout to be that guy, he is 100% freaky genetically. I remember at age 14 when it really started to show, the top 2-3 guys in the country were so fucking far ahead of everyone, yet they worked out as much as the next 20 or 30 THOUSAND players.

[–]askmrcia9 points10 points  (3 children) | Copy

Reminds me when I was in high school. This kid was the top sprinter in the state. Ran 10.2 - 10.4 100 meter dash times like it was nothing.

Think he trained hard? Nooope. Ate a lot of McDonald's and slacked off a shit ton of times during practice. Some people just got it.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy

I went to Ezekiel Elliot's first high school football game. We had all been hearing the hype for the first couple weeks of school, and I'm thinking, "man, this guy is 15 years old, no way he's going to be that much better than the guys that are seniors." First carry, and it's like he's shot out of a fucking cannon. No one on the defense even lays a finger on him.

That same year, the dude broke practically every sprinting record in the state. And then subsequently broke every single sprinting record (his own records) the next three years. And now he's the starting running back for the fucking Dallas Cowboys.

No amount of training will let any of us reach that level of athleticism. The good news is, you don't have to be Zeke levels of athletic to pick up chicks.

[–]2Overkillengine0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The good news is, you don't have to be Zeke levels of athletic to pick up chicks.

This is the real point that the poor me's whining about not winning the genetic lottery need to realize.

But doing so means realizing and accepting they have to exert some effort. And humans can usually be counted on to seize on any excuse to be lazy.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Ezekiel Elliot

He is horrendously ugly though. Flat nose, huge lips... That will count against him. His hair is terrible (I'm not a fan of Afro hair)

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Not exactly a monkey or banana but I can confirm that extra 10 sure helps with math, physics, and organic chemistry!

[–]marlan_13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

As another random example, in Dota: 7000 rating is the top 0.00001% while 5000 rating is the top 0.1%

The 7000 player will run circles around the 5000 player and make him look like an ape.

[–]gELSK2 points3 points  (9 children) | Copy

// , If you have sources for this, I always love the science posts, here.

I'm also preparing a presentation for my fam, and would like more ammo for our debate.

[–]3whatsthisgarg7 points8 points  (8 children) | Copy

I'm also preparing a presentation for my fam, and would like more ammo for our debate.

whoa whoa whoa whoa

are you seriously going to talk about TRP to people you actually know? bad idea, usually, but I want to hear about how it goes

[–]gELSK0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy

// , It's gone over VERY poorly with my Wellesley grad mother, but otherwise reactions have ranged from skepticism to cautious optimism.

[–]3whatsthisgarg2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy

// , It's gone over VERY poorly with my Wellesley grad mother, but otherwise reactions have ranged from skepticism to cautious optimism.

first off, is the // your own personal tag or wut

tell us what you talk about; do you get specific and such? because there are topics where if you use the right language, you get agreement, say the EXACT SAME THING with different words/tone, you get hostility

it's kind of also the same deal where a good-looking guy can say something, not-good-looking guy say the same thing = creepy stalker

[–]gELSK4 points5 points  (5 children) | Copy

// , I actually burn it from both ends.

I'll start with some outrageous statement to pique interest, then flick back to hard, indisputable facts.

Then, once rapport is re-established, I'll repeat the process.


Outrageous statement: "Women will always want men they can look up to, literally and figuratively, because they need someone superior."

Response: outrage

"According to a 2012 study by Johanna Ricke and Olle Folke, women with high status husbands who lost their high status were several times more likely to divorce than if the genders were reversed."

(mix in various rapport building examples, hedging with qualifiers that these are "generalizations that are mostly true", bring up "that one time in the bar", use good relationship to your advantage to sound as reasonable as possible)

"Remember the last time a man gave a shit how tall a woman was, as long as she was hot? Yeah, me neither. I mean, think about it..." and other emotional anecdotal appeal bs like that

"You know how most women like tall people, right? They literally will state height requirements."

sends entire copy of Alan Miller's and Satoshi Kanazawa's book, "Why beautiful people have more daughters"

Outrageous statement: "Marriage is a bad deal for men. If you're a woman, you can't pretend it's a good idea for your fiance. You train bitches the same way as you train bitches. Give them a prize, and they'll do the behavior. Same with training American bitches to divorce as training a canine bitch to roll over."

Response: outrage

... statistics ... friend anecdotes ... repeat some stand-up comic's routine about marriage ... jokes about how it'd be great if men could marry women, divorce them, and get the children ... anecdote about mutual friend or acquaintance who got screwed ... various disclaimers about not all women, but stereotypes have a ring of truth ... base rates

The rubric is the same.

Attract attention, dispense facts/emotion sandwich. Attract attention, dispense incontrovertible facts/emotion sandwich.

I've convinced people of some pretty weird shit this way.

We also use Signal Private Messenger, with a self destruct timer on the messages, and

One known impartial family member acts as judge/referee, and the other two will exchange 5-point lists.

We're pretty organized.

EDIT: This kind of thing ONLY happens with people who trust each other not to be status-jockeying, were taught formal and informal logic in private co-op tutoring sessions, and who have a long history of caring about each other even when it wasn't "the right thing to do".

Don't try this at home

[–]3whatsthisgarg0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

Oh shit that is good stuff, really good. And really much more intricate and involved than I would have dreamed.

Well, are you going to write this up and make a post about this? I haven't seen anything nearly this complex on here in all these years.

[–]gELSK-3 points-2 points  (3 children) | Copy

// , Did you take a formal or informal logic class?

Quick, without googling, what is the contrapositive of ALL P NOT Q?

EDIT: Some things are best left to the real remaining lines of patriarchs

[–]3whatsthisgarg1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Quick, without googling, what is the contrapositive of ALL P NOT Q?

I don't know, but IF you ask me, logic is a very good course to take.

Oh, so if I DON'T ask you, logic is NOT a good course to take?

[–]washington_breadstix10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

Although this situation has never happened to such an extreme extent in my life, I've definitely experienced being the "less attractive friend" a.k.a. the guy who gets called "weird" and "serious" while I'm fucking standing right there. It sucks, but for the past few months I've been making a serious effort to turn it into my motivation instead of a reason to sulk and lament the guys who are more attractive than me. I've been lifting like crazy and putting more effort into the way I dress and style my hair, etc. But above all, I've been working on acceptance of the fact that I only have control over my own fate in life. There will always be some other guy who gets pussy more often / more easily than I do and I have to be able to live with that fact. Fixating on those guys is a waste of my time and energy.

[–]SD14BaBs8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy

Whenever I see posts like this I always want to see what this dude in question looks like... Could you provide some stats ? Like height and maybe a look-a-like picture or something.

[–]Sol4ace6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

To be honest, if you're not getting that much action, dont be afraid to lower your standards.

Don't fuck whales or very unattractive, but still go for the 7/10.

I used to have this mentality where I would only pay attention to the hottest girl in the room. When I entered college I realized I couldnt just go for the 10/10's so I started approaching less attractive girls and it has paid off very well.

Prior to changing my mentality I had only had sex with 3 different women. That number tripled within 3 months. Sure I'm a lot fitter than I used to be due to working out a lot and having a strict diet but my attitude is what changed everything.

[–]Taco_Truck_Aficionad 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

It's all about sexual market value, AKA looks and money. Be good looking or rich and you never have any problems getting laid. Don't believe me? Visit a third world country and women will line up around the block just to talk to you.

I've been to South America a lot. I can pretty much walk up to any girl I see anywhere down there and chat her up and get laid within 1-2 days max. I'm about a 7 and a little chubby. Just because I can afford a plane ticket to their country and wear a name brand T-SHIRT, they think I am rich.

My friend is dog shit ugly and he gets laid easily in South America. He is absolutely grotesque. Fat. Bad skin. Patchy neck beard. Glasses. Greasy hair. Hideous moles. Yellow teeth. Dull personality. He fucks hot women in South America because they think he's rich. He lives paycheck to paycheck.

[–]mishasam891 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy


great motivation to get married..

[–]daryan1 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

How does he dress? Just curious

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

His wardrobe is completely irrelevant to his success. He can wear dirty jeans and shit boots and still slay vaj all day.

[–]massivewang6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

I know three guys who have top tier dead sexy model looks. When we go out women approach them, give them their numbers, try to pick them up/seduce them etc. it’s nuts!

They’re all typical all American confident athlete types, but none of them have particularly fascinating/complicated game (and why would you when it’s that easy?).

The genetic lottery is real!

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy

Honestly if your friend wasn't a confident guy that wouldn't have happened. He would have saw the chicks looking at him, then broke eye contact cause he's worried about them thinking he's a pervert or something. Instead, he eye fucked her and it gave her incentive to approach him.. The same way a girl winks at you and you take it as a green light to go over and chat her up.

One of my best friends growing up worked really hard and wound up being pretty alpha in his early 20s and would pull shit like this too. He was still not that good looking, but he played in a pretty successful underground rock band and hosted some killer parties. This kid would bring a girl to his bedroom and fuck her while his girlfriend was in the living room chatting up some beta orbiter.

Personally, I have to admit.. I'm still pretty cowardly in social situations despite being a good looking dude and getting IOIs from women fairly frequently. Also it doesn't make sense cause I'm pretty NGAF with everything else. I love skateboarding and regularly bust my ass doing it. I have horrible social anxiety and it's something I constantly try to overcome but the amount of energy it takes is so draining. I would've been the guy staring at my feet and watching the ball go right down the center as the umpire yells "STRIKE!"

Your friend inspires me to NGAF and try to make moves. I'm going home from school for the break and I know there's a bunch of thotty chicks back home who I know are down to fool around. I'm gonna make some fucking moves.

[–]rigbed4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

I hate being a college student potential Chad with social anxiety

[–]MarcosDomingues37 points38 points  (8 children) | Copy

I think we need to create another Incels sub, because they're already invading this one

[–]11-Eleven-118 points9 points  (5 children) | Copy

I was thinking the exact same thing. Reddit should have let incels have their shitty corner so they will stay away from subs like this.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy

Ehh, this post of mine blew up for a reason - people here relate to it. I am absolutely not in this mindset much of time. Last night was just a redpill-up-the-ass moment that left my colon sore, and I felt I needed to share.

[–]auto-xkcd370 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

redpill-up-the ass-moment

Bleep-bloop, I'm a bot. This comment was inspired by xkcd#37

[–]rigbed-2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy

Of course people relate to it. Some guys can execute redpill strategy at times when you may be feeling under the weather. Some guys can do naturally what you have to think through.

Your friend is confident. You clearly aren’t. Or aren’t nearly enough. Your friend makes you feel inferior. Girls can detect this. Stop thinking of your friend as a Chad. Think of him as inferior to you need be. You’re giving him the power. By believing he’s more attractive than you you’re castrating yourself.

[–]darkmoon091 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Sorry but this just sounds like burying your head in the sand to me. Ofc the dude is confident if he regularly has women dropping their panties for him minuets after meeting them, and of course anyone else will be a little salty about that given that they have to put in so much work for so little reward while guys like OPs friend literary drown in pussy just for mearly existing..guys like thay are pretty much living the lives of attractive women as far as sexual options go. Trying to trip yourself into believing thay Chad is inferior to you doesn't bend reality and it doesn't make you any more attractive or make him any less attractive.

[–]rigbed-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Untrue. Attractiveness is a frame. Clearly OP is in his friends frame. He needs his own frame.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Are you talking about the post or the comments? Because if you can’t see that looks matter a ton and it’s not just game and lifting... then... well I strongly disagree. Lifting and game matters but looks matter a lot. And I don’t just mean grooming and dressing well.

There are natural hierarchies in looks, intelligence, athletic ability, and that’s okay

[–]mishasam893 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

Can you please state your and Chad's ages as well as the girl's? This would help tremendously..

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

Me: 33. Him: 31. Her: probably mid 20s.

[–]rigbed0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

She was easy. You’re overblowing this.

[–]TheNextMilo3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy

I agree. Some people just have perfect faces. I do combat sports and my nose is fucked up. The bridge is crooked. On the flip side, I have a very lean and muscular body, which only looks a little out of shape when I must pack on weight. I think another thing to add is that you should focus on what you can control.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Chicks dig scars.. tell them how your nose got fucked up and I guarantee you'll see a spark in her eye.

[–]rigbed0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Exactly if guys are feeling insecure about battle scars then they’re really hamstering. Problem is when battle scars affect your teeth.

[–]TheNextMilo0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Chick don’t dig scars. At least not where I live.

[–]freethinker19762 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's unfair but we can't blame women for going for Chad. These guys are so at ease with themselves and so confident that they will probably still do great with women ones their looks fade.

[–]jonpe873 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

"he's so serious" comment, instantly making me feel that she's viewing me as the "weirdo, dull friend."

Here you lost your chance I think.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

We know there was no chance from the start. The woman was purposely isolating him from his friend to set boundaries early on to 1) Show she's only gunning for Chad 2) To make Chad think that she's his SMV equal. Chad is always the target.

Honestly OP, It's cool to be happy for a friend, but it's understandable if you were unhappy about standing alone for 20 minutes. In the words of some old friends that pulled lots of women, "Fuck you if you ain't down with the whole crew."

[–]jonpe870 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I don't care about "chances". At least take action. Try to AMOG the dude, spark her emotions, make some jokes about the chad and make him feel unconfortable, just because she fucks the chad that doens't mean that you can't also provide valor.

[–]amekooky3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

yep.. i was roommates with chad for a year, after he pumped and dumped on average 4 or more a week (HB7+) it really changed my perspective on women.

He was cool though, he would always try and hook me up with chicks he wasnt interested in.

[–]brinkleybuzz10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

simply astonished, again, at how easily highly attractive men get laid.

I've been in the game over 20 years and have seen plenty of attractive men who couldn't get laid because they didn't have game. I've also seen plenty of butt ugly men who did get laid regularly because they had game, status, personality or something else that made them stand out.

Lyle Lovett got plenty of tail in his heyday.

Same for fat-ass Patrice O'Neal.

The formula is simple. Be awesome, stand out and get laid.

[–]richpianoooo2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

lol i recently started working in a new country and so as i got to know people i started hanging out with this black guy model bastard anyways we go to the club i look to my left and hes already pulled and its not even been 3 min im like ok im just happy to be here i guess hahahah. fml but i am now starting to pick up my game as i feel i can learn from him. i cant help the genetics but i can surly use how he made me feel that night to lift more and game more to get better i might not get the whole bakery but a pie and a slice of cake is also good. but yea the crazy ripped tall chiseled jaw does help

[–]_DiscoNinja_2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

They should call it the red suppository.

[–]gaki1232 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

This post is complete shit. This shit doesn't illustrate 80/20 dynamics Lmao. This guy is AT LEAST top 0.5%. It's comparing yourself to a billionaire and getting sad because you are not one (like 99.99% else). Completely bullshit useless incel shit.

[–]1ozaku76 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

What would you do if you would be a decent looking woman that gets all the dick in the world offered to her? Ofcourse, you pick your best option out of many. It's like all the car dealerships offering you cars, free to use for moths. Eventually you just start dicking around, taking test drives without actually buying the car, and then just go for the Lambo, the most valuable car.

It's shocking to see it actually happen in person, yes, but the fact remains that this is how the dynamic works.

[–]VoidInvincible1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Is it his face? Muscles? Or height? Is he just really good looking and average height

[–]victor_knight1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

And if you happen to be Chad, don't forget to share her with your friends.

[–]DopeMeme_Deficiency1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yes it is. Ive been in this same situation, and while my lot isn't the worst, oh man how nice it must be to be king. Fuck

[–]prodigy2throw1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Unless you are planning to get plastic surgery there isn’t much to learn from a Chad like that. The only wake up call you’ll get is to finally see raw hypergamy in action.

More often than not a Chad is a guy who is maxed out on looks and waits for pussy to fall on his lap.

You want to really learn, follow the guy who looks like shit but bags models and pornstars. That’s the guy who has maxed out status and game and that’s who you want to follow around and learn from.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That is a very profound post.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

Am I missing something here? I see loads of comments on this thread whinging about facial vs body attractiveness.. I thought part of taking the red pill was realizing that, while they help, looks are not nearly as important on a guy as they're made out to be. Most of a man's SMV comes from non-sheer physical attractiveness.

Sure, some people are born way luckier than others, and it gets their foot in the door far easier with women, but physical attractiveness alone isn't going to get you very far as a dude. OP's friend's good looks got the ladies to notice him, but it was surely his game that got him beyond introductions.

Get some sweet hobbies, improve on your insecurities, step up your confidence game, and learn how to pass their shit tests. And you'll be far better off than the super hot dude who doesn't do any of these.

Life's not fair, some people have it luckier than others. You got to work with what you got. Whinging about how some people are unfairly hotter is just a waste of your incredible brain. Take TRP, use it.

[–]MartinMcFlyy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The problem is “foot in the door” in a nightlife setting is most likely getting blown behind a dumpster on in this case scurrying off to any private place and fucking. Only after initially fucking the women will the girl realize he’s kind of corny and call it off.

[–]Omnibrad3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

unless I lowered my standards a bit, total strangers fucking me raw within 10 minutes is not a common thing for me.

Oh yeah? And what standards does your bestie set for useless whores?

[–]Future_Alpha2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy

Well fuck. Sucks to be me I guess. Finishing up my 7 years of undergrad. Had one gf in first year because everyone was still establishing social circles and I got in on that at the right time. Dumped her because we were 17 and she was afraid to put out and get pregnant (like her mom did at the same age). Was Incel for 2 years before I discovered pua. Even when I discovered pua (and a year later trp), still couldn't get laid from cold approach until I got lucky and got laid from online game (though to be fair I went out on dates with 7-8s). At my new uni, I was so focused on school I turned down one girl (she was horny af, and she gave me her number and tried to fuck me) because I didn't want a relationship (though I regret it now as if be getting easy pussy and would be able to focus on other things) and escalated too fast with another one that we got to make outs but then she LJBF. I was Incel for a year and got laid twice this year with two different girls.

I must be ugly, bc most girls blow me off in cold approach (though I've improved style and everything) and am losing hair, though I am 6'2 and think I have an ugly face and wear glasses.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy

think I have an ugly face and wear glasses.

You are 6'2" and have all the advantages. An ugly face is hardly a barrier. The fact that YOU THINK your face is ugly is the problem. If you know you are attractive, even if you are not, you can still drag a girl into that frame. If you "know" you are unattractive then you will surely drag any woman you meet into that frame.

[–]Future_Alpha4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy

An ugly face is hardly a barrier.

I don't think that's true. Girls judge men on looks on approach (and are more likely to talk to good looking guys). Being balding and having an ugly face sets me back significantly compared to my peers (I was rated a 4 WITHOUT glasses in terms of facial aesthetics), even if I dress well. Think about It, if you are ugly and balding it means one will have to work harder to overcome this (sometimes it is impossible to.overcome).

I dunno how I look in person, but I have a baby face in photos and shaving my head is ugly as fuck.

There's not much I can do about face, but I am trying to gain muscle. And hair since it's so prominent plays a role.

[–]NotAnotherSJWAgain0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I think the way a man looks matters exponentially less than it does for women. You're like the girl in the bar worrying that no guy is going to hit on her because she has the wrong purse; you focus on the wrong attribute set. Men compete in many other dimensions, looks are a smaller part of it. Dress well, be in shape; be confident, have social proof, be interesting, exciting, be rich, successful, etc.

[–]Future_Alpha0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I thought looks were very important as it is emphasized so much on trp?

[–]NotAnotherSJWAgain0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Look it’s like the olympics. There are dozens of events. To get a medal you only need to be good at one thing, not all of them, or even many of them. Just one can be enough. People in general like to be with winners and certainly women do. You could win based on your physical aspect; or your finances; or your popularity; or even with your brains. If you are repelling then that means you have to be that much better at the other things, but not even that much more.

[–]mleko690 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

According to this logic it's almost impossible for an average guy to settle and have a family, so what's the point in living a worthless life?

[–]RedwallAllratuRatbar1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

save money by not marrying to have sex 10/10 sex robot

[–]mleko690 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

But people used to marry and live with each other for decades. Why this has changed? Because of welfare state?

[–]roguealpha962 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

If you are married and not looking to cheat then I feel this should not be bothering you. If you have your girl locked down, who cares how many chicks your buddy gets with? Yes, it is not fair that it so so easy for him as compared to you. But you should be out of the game, it shouldn't phase you.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

OP is hamstering hard on this post. Yes he is jealous of his friend (probably always has been), no he wasn't just super focused on his pool, he just didn't have the confidence in that situation and/or a comeback for her comment and so decided to stfu, lastly he would cheat on his wife if he had a great opportunity cause if not all this nonsense would not bother him.

So of course he calls her a vapid bimbo and not the type he would go for while also going on about how he's not interested in cheating on his wife ever. Lol which is it OP?

[–]AshyBoneVR43 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy

There are a couple of things in your post that confuse the fucking hell out of me.

First, you said your married, then later in the post you said, "just how little effort is required from attractive men to get what all of us so desperately want. Sex." Ignoring the general consensus of how most guys here view marriage, you make yourself seem like you are desperate for sex. Sounds like you got jealous of your friend.

Second, did you take the time to think about how much confidence your friend projected? Yeah, he might have the face and the body, but his body language spoke volumes. You by comparison just seemed distant. Her comment to you was a way to include you into any further conversations as no to be a total bitch. When you friend took over, she stopped caring all together.

Third, you're in a bar/club, your friend found a whore, what a shocker.

Last, why did it bother you so much that your friend left you? You yourself said you were there for pool. Not there to spend time with your friend. You want to play pool, play pool. You don't need someone else to have a good time to play pool. Just play pool till he gets back.

You thinking some people are just naturally going to have it better then others will only serve as an excuse for you to not to try to improve yourself. You got married, so I'm guessing that means you value the companionship of the person you married over getting random sex with random people. Enjoy what you have, have fun when you go out, and fuck everything else.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

"just how little effort is required from attractive men to get what all of us so desperately want. Sex."

Perhaps I'd misspoke. It's not necessarily the sex that we desperately want, it's the validation of numerous attractive women fucking us, proving that we are, in turn, attractive.

[–]searcher6121 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

It is good you admit it, because we all like that validation (or at least feel it). So you speak for almost everyone. But you also know (I suspect) that you need to get past that validation and not let their attention affect you in anyway.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMetalgear2224 points5 points  (11 children) | Copy

This should be removed, no lesson involved and is nothing more than a black pill rant at how OP is jealous of the treatment his friend Chad receives. Pretending that his "pool game" is why he's there. What a joke.

OP should be considering what actions to take to continue raising his SMV so that when he goes out with Chad, both are valid fuckable options to women.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy

Bro, you need to figure out how to compete against a prime Mike Tyson in the boxing ring. Just start training, every day, and go in there and beat the shit out of him. Raw talent doesn't even matter.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMetalgear2221 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Don't get mad at me, you're the one who just posted an FR at getting butt hurt over nothing. Refusing to accept that you can change your results with girls is for mgtow and incel. Go sub them and join their pity party circle jerk. Meanwhile we're gonna be here working towards our goals and aspirations instead of whining about something we can't change.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Cool strawman. He never said go mgtow or incel. He never said not to improve.

[–]darkmoon098 points9 points  (5 children) | Copy

It should stay because it vividly illustrates the alpha/beta dynamic and the 80/20 rule. Guys don't like to see these things or hear these stories its a punch in the fucking gut, almost makes you feel like utter genetic garbage, but guys need to see/hear this because they need to know exactly where things stand in real life.

OP should be considering what actions to take to continue raising his SMV so that when he goes out with Chad, both are valid fuckable options to women.

The biggest takeaway you should have gotten from this story is that all raising one's SMV is good and all, you still won't ever be in Chad's level. Ever. Again not saying you shouldn't strive to improve, but you need to be realistic about your options and the hand you were dealt with. Chad will always outshine you, so you'll never 'valid fuckable', at least not on his level where women drop their panties just at the sight of him.

[–]gaki1230 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

There is no 80/20 dynamic you fucking clown. This guy is at least top 0.5%. It's like saying that a billionaire (like 0.0001%) illustrates 80/20 and getting sad because you are not a billionaire. Completely outliner.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMetalgear2220 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

That's not a takeaway at all. OP didn't even fucking try. She shit tested him (testing his frame for attraction) and he just ignored her to "play pool". This is whiny rant that has no place here in TRP there's no lessons in knowing chads exist. Why he's focusing on someone else's success is a waste of time.

[–]darkmoon093 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

She shit tested him (testing his frame for attraction) and he just ignored her to "play pool".

Given that i wasnt there i can't tell you about the nuance and context of the interaction, but from what it sounds like she had already made up her mind about wanting to fuck OPs friend and OP was just an odd third wheel whom she'd prefer if he just disappeard. It's not always a 'shit test', sometimes women are just fucking cunts because they can be.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMetalgear2221 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

You're correct we don't know. Nor do we know what happened to the 2 other friends she was with that OP possibly could've been gaming as well as any other attractive girls in the bar.

If I was in OP's position, I would of abused the fact that being with a Chad gives you a free pass to be as confident/bold as you want, because most girls will assume that Chad hangs out with other alphas.

What a disappointing time for TRP when a post like this gets so much praise. No one is acknowledging that he's whining, no-one is acknowledging that he didn't even try to game a girl of his own, no one is acknowledging the fact that he openly admitted his jealousy by this event ruining his night. This is bull shit and I want new readers to take heed to this nonsense. FOCUS ON YOURSELVES. It makes no difference what Chad is doing. Become the best Chad YOU can be. Period.

[–]Could_have_listened0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

could of

Did you mean could've?

I am a bot account.

[–]All-DayErrDay0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Honestly, the best realist comment in this thread.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Removed because reality and truth hits hard? Acknowledging looks matter a lot is a breath of fresh air to this sub. We shouldn’t put our head in the sand like women who think they can still find a chad like husband when she’s 35

[–]electricspresident1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I tried but it's not easy to make friends with a Chad. Funny thing is I am your typical skinny normal dude. I can have interesting conversations for days but I'm not sure why I seem to have this general negative effect even though I'm a positive person.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm a fucking nasty singer and drummer, and I blew him away with my talent when we first met. He basically worshiped my musical skills. He's having me record drums for many of his songs, soon.

[–]MikeAlphaGolf1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Good story. It flows down the chain too. There’s been times when my mates have said the same about me, picking up a hot young girl at the pub or something. (I’m 34). How the fuck does he do it. I’m no chad, but probably a solid 8.

I suppose all you can do is climb the SMV ladder as best you can and enjoy the fruits that it brings.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah, man. I'm definitely better looking than the average dude, but I ain't at the level of some.

[–]JimCanuck1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Do yourselves a favor, folks - make sure that you become best friends with Chad.

Yes great advice, boost your SMV from incel to normie using Chad as a wingman!

[–]Constatine70 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Ok on the down low there are ways to change your looks and be more like this Chad (my name is Chad btw its really awkward on this subreddit). You would need to do some pretty crazy stuff though for a huge effect. You would need to completely change your own physiology and enhance androgenic activity to the nth degree. Its possible via a combination of lifestyle factors, nutrition, and lol...steroids but its not practical for the average male to do it.

[–]tolerantman0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

A few Chad facts:

1.Chad doesn't have to learn game

2.Chad doesn't have to pass shit tests

3.Chad doesn't have to be a jerkboy

4.Chad doesn't have to learn how to keep his frame

Chad goes out and slays, because he is handsome, tall, rich and has a reputation

[–]slashaceman0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I've seen versions of this story play out in front of me a few times. for the less physically gifted, i would offer the following advice. Having the ability to make a woman feel good (remember, at the end of the day, they're slaves to their fee-fees) can be very powerful. I've seen guys that were otherwise mediocre in every category (height, build, clothes, money, looks, etc.) do very well simply b/c they are fun to be around and make you feel good when you're around them.

I've also seen plenty of good looking yet boring dudes get passed over.

this doesn't invalidate the 80/20 rule obviously but there are things you can work on to improve you chances significantly.

[–]ECoast_Man0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

In fairness, my most "Chad" friend is not the best looking. He is good looking, probably like an 8, maybe a high 7, but holy shit is he sharp as a tack. He is super social with dudes and chicks alike because he's funny, quick-witted, and most importantly confident.

Not too dissimilar from your story, I watched this guy bike like an hour (doesn't own a car) to get to a BBQ, and within 20 minutes of meeting her he said to some girl, "so you don't want to go fuck now", proceed to take her onto the bus to his place for a 45 minute commute, and then return with her to the BBQ. I mean, that's crass 99% of the time, but he can get away with it.

As you sort of noted, physical attractiveness is important, but it is anything but the be all end all. Frame and confidence with passable looks can be as effective.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

He's not fucking chad man he's just a dude that's not fucking autistic and socialy awkward that happens to be attractive. You basically belittled yourself though this intire post and people seem to be eating this trash up like candy. I kinda see the point of this post but only kinda, this sub isn't for whining about how unfair you're life is

[–]PranksterLad0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Is there anyway to get a face or look like a greek god statue hahaha

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This has been my experience as well. I'm completely invisible however 1/100 girls will check me out and not him which gives me some hope.

It's helped me realise that I can't get by on looks and outside of health the gym is pointless. I need to be using my hard work ethic and intelligence to become wealthy.

Also my current gf is 1 of those 100 who prefers me over him. In fact he has been a good filter for finding the right type of girl. When she was single she turned him down several times.

[–]LeftoverFarm0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

don't be so hard on yourself by calling yourself a bitch dude. i'd be annoyed/bummed if my friend ditched me too

[–]mronion820 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

'Total strangers fucking me raw within 10 minutes is not a common thing for me. It has happened, yes, but not with that tremendous amount of ease.'

So what exactly is he complaining about?

[–]11-Eleven-11-2 points-1 points  (6 children) | Copy

Fuck of with the incels shit. "Chad" is chad because he lifts and dresses right. Which is what you all should be doing instead bitching about how "Chad gets all of the girls and there's no hope for me because I wasn't born with good bone structure." It's pathetic what this sub has become.

And that last point holy shit. Why would you be working on a girl for a month in the first place?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Ignoring things in life because they are uncomfortable is not a red pill thing to do. There are natural hierarchies in life, and that’s okay. He never said there was no hope for him or we should all go incel. We aren’t all photocopies with the exact same potential in terms of anything in life. That’s okay.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy

Chad wears literally paint-covered clothes after work sometimes when going out, without even showering.

Still slays it.

[–]11-Eleven-11-2 points-1 points  (3 children) | Copy

You're giving people the impression that we can't compete with Chad which is bullshit. And your post appeals to incels not people that are here to improve themselves.

[–]darkmoon092 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Don't get me wrong, im all for self-improving and all that...but there seems to be a lot of denial of the importance of looks in this thread. It's like guys don't want to accept that while they can get a girlfriend or two and an occasional ONS here and there, they won't ever be on the same level as 'chad'. They won't ever be in a position of regularly having women drop their panties minuets after meeting them.

Looks aren't everything, but they're definitely something and sometimes that's all women really care about. There's a reason why guys have formed the 80/20 theory.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Ahh, I see that you have not yet fully swallowed the bitter, vomit-inducing redpill yet, young grasshopper.

[–]Republic_of_Ash-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Found the Incel. Your friend sounds awesome.

[–]lakingssc1214 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

I wonder how many STDs Chad has contracted? Sex may be free, but it often comes with unwanted prizes.

[–]1empatheticapathetic6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Hey may have some, he may have none. It's not really the point of the story.

[–]throwedxman-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

You felt like a loser cause you were a loser who was too “focused” on a game of pool to have fun.

[–]Momo_dollar-2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy

and she looks at me and makes a "he's so serious" comment, instantly making me feel that she's viewing me as the "weirdo, dull friend." I could've hit back with something witty, but I was honestly focused on the game, and not some buzzed bimbo with nothing interesting to offer

All you people miss the real lesson from the story the opportunity that the OP missed or simply wasn’t sharp enough to respond to. OP is a gameless bitch, he can’t help it, but instead of learning he does what losers do “ I could have responded wittily...but (insert excuse) “ and then blames it all on being given a shit hand, women, ‘Chad’ and comes here for comfort and group therapy.

Here’s the facts for all you who don’t understand women. No matter how much more attractive ‘Chad’ is to him, OP was the one she, either intentionally or unintentionally, put in a position to give her a pussy dripping reply. Even IF she approached solely to target ‘Chad’ and didn’t have any interest in the OP, the right response would have completely changed things, at the very least it would have made her reassess and test “Chad’s” game.

Moral of the story, listen to the op you’ll be a loser for life. You can sit here agreeing and reminiscing about how easy some guys get girls and cry about how difficult it is, or you can gain insight from a post even if the OP didn’t and see where opportunities were not taken and realise that there are always opportunities you either don’t realise or lack the courage to take them

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

I wasn't given a shit hand; I was given a lesser hand than my best friend Chad. It isn't as if this is the first time anything like this has ever occurred while chillin' with him.

I can train hard each day, and love the fight game, but once those cage doors close and I find out Conor McGregor is standing across from me, I'm tapping out.

It was Chad and I, and one girl who was already in his arms when her comment was made. I'm too smart to try and bother competing with that.

[–]Momo_dollar0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

And the next night she’ll be in another man’s arms. In one night she could end up being in several guy’s arms. A wity reply might not have made her jump out of her arms and into yours but it would have made her think “ hold up an i on the right guy’s arms” from that it can go anywhere and depends on you and ‘Chad’ social intelligence.

[–]Luckyluke23-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

is it just me or is anyone else pissed she just came over while he was trying to play pool. I mean I'm a bit of a pool shark myself. so I'd be pissed.

but you make a good point man

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

The thing to remember is this: One of the equalizers in life, is that we all have problems. Doesn't matter how rich you are, good looking, famous or anything, we are all given problems in life to deal with, and they never come in the way that's easy to handle. Ever.

Your buddy Chad has problems too. One of them being women just look at him for sex, they could care less about the person inside. Such a problem to have right? When woman after woman cheats on her boyfriend, husband, etc it will really make you wonder are they all this shallow? Is this it?

[–]bulkheads-2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy

You are all so profoundly sad.

[–]JustSomeThief 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Honestly, the best thing you can do for yourself, and for all us redpillers, is to kill that fucking bastard. He doesnt deserve shit.

By murdering him, you will give us normal looking guys a chance to get laid.

Your post made me very angry - and very sad. I had a friend like this too, and reading this post makes me want to fucking kill him.

If you aren't that hot, do the best you can

No point because...

Hot guys will step in and fuck the girl you've been "working on" for a month in a single night

Life is bullshit. The red pill helps you understand that there's no point in trying to do anything.

I can see it now, me hanging out with a good girlfriend of mine, and having chad thundercock swoop in and steal her away from me.

I think I'd kill them.

[–]banjew2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy

I think I'd kill them.

Are you serious, would you kill for pussy? Man, you can buy pussy for us$ 100.

[–]JustSomeThief 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Id be more about the disrespect of him taking a girl from me

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (3 children) | Copy

Happened to my Pops. He had a Chad start at his place of work, and he befriended the guy. Very different guy from who my father was. He repays my Pops by fucking my Mom in every way, shape, and form in multiple places, multiple times.

Twenty years of marriage, all shot. My Dad became a shell of his former self. The pain was so severe that he just literally wanted to die. My 16 year-old self had to fucking watch that shit happen with my own two fucking eyeballs.

Then, I'd get severe panic attacks whenever I'd randomly see Chad around town. I wanted to sever his head from his body in a painful way.

My Pops forgave her (lol) and tried to be a good man and make it work. He's a good man.

Oh yeah, then she left for a second guy, also very much unlike my Father.

She's still with him.

[–]Canedude083 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Sucks that happened, but I'm not shocked. Women aren't and will never be loyal. That's why society had to step in and enforce loyalty through law and social controls. Without those controls, we see women at their feral worst, and society doesn't benefit from that.

[–]WalterEArmstrong3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Sure, that's what we need. More government control over our personal lives. GTFOH!

[–]banjew1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Then punch him in the fucking face. Don't ruin your life for pussy.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

“Set me as a seal upon thine heart, as a seal upon thine arm; for love is strong as death; jealousy is cruel as the grave; the coals thereof are coals of fire, which hath a most vehement flame.”

[–]420KUSHBUSH5 points6 points  (7 children) | Copy

If you're truly considering killing someone because they get laid more and easier than you then you, my friend, are living a life not worth living

[–]JustSomeThief 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Maybe I'm not. But I'm not why should anyone else?

[–]420KUSHBUSH5 points6 points  (5 children) | Copy

I don't condone or encourage you to kill anyone but it's not exactly a smart idea to start killing others and waste your life because you have the mentality and mental capacity of an angry child with a short temper who's toy truck has been stolen one too many times

[–]JustSomeThief 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

What else would my life be spent doing? Lifting weights to try and get pussy?

I already get pussy and I'm a skinny-fat fuck.

It's never easy though... not as easy as this guy.

I dont even remember why Im angry about. I get pussy, nothing to be mad about right?

Oh yeah, if this chad guy came up to me and my plate, he'd steal her away, make her gargle his cock, and then send her back to my table without a second thought.

Yeah, id kill them if that really happened.

I wish I could join the military.

[–]1empatheticapathetic2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

You're a mess bro.

Yes it sucks that this guy gets laid so easily. That's essentially the end of the thought process though. You can do your best, or not, find success or not. He can fuck these bitches. Life goes on.

[–]JustSomeThief 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

You know, i dont even know anymore.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Im just sad.

Therapy. Depression. Medical issue. Lift. Contrary to popular assumptions. The Red Pill is decidedly unfriendly to Eliot Rodger types and the guys have been surprisingly nice to you. Personally I can't believe you have not been banned.

Anger against women is awesome. It is the fuel for change. However this blind homicidal and suicidal rage is very much not awesome and does not do anybody any good whatsoever.

[–]1empatheticapathetic1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Relax bud. Just go through your day. This guy doesn't affect you. Nothing does.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy

This is the mindset that led to millions of people dying in gas chambers.

[–]fearlesslionx-2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy

Chassing bitches and trying to fuck everything and seduce everything is like chassing a high. I've hitted rock bottom several times with drugs, now i am clean, but girls is the same, i feel EVEN WORST because this experience cause me to have a huge void inside of me. i dont understand because my human needs arent met while fucking a hoe, nothing but a dopamine high is injected inside me. yes it is fun, but once i came, i feel like shit.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It's true, man. But the validation received from having a hot girl want you is so freakin' good that we all want more of that high.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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