Study: Women prefer muscular, dominant, wealthy men

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November 20, 2017

Macho men, particularly ones in suits, still reign supreme on the totem pole of sexual attraction, a new study finds.

Researchers at Coventry and Aberystwyth universities in the United Kingdom looked at three years of data from TubeCrush, a British hot-or-not-type site where users upload photos of male London Underground passengers, to evaluate the male archetypes straight women and gay men found most attractive.

One striking initial observation by the researchers was that most men uploaded were white, despite London being a fairly diverse city. Popular images also often made sure to focus on a man’s biceps, pectorals, and chest, particularly if he was muscular in those areas.

Many accompanying comments also emphasized a man’s physique and supposed sexual prowess, the researchers note.

Another frequent theme in popular images was displays of wealth, whether it was through jewelry, fancy attire, or expensive technology.

Meanwhile, men who demonstrated less dominant or aggressive behavior, such as fathers, or males who seemed more sensitive or awkward, fared worse on TubeCrush.

“From smart-suited City workers to toned gym-goers flashing their flesh, the men featured in the photographs on TubeCrush show that as a culture we still celebrate masculinity in the form of money and muscle,” says lead researcher Adrienne Evans. “They are marking the middle-class, wealthy, mobile and sexually powerful male body, not as a political one as feminists intend it to be, but one that should be actively desired.”

Although some positive attention can certainly help a guy’s self-esteem, Evans argues that women are still looking in the wrong direction.

“It’s a problem because although it appears as though we have moved forward, our desires are still mostly about money and strength,” she concludes.

Do not try to lie, Evans. You DO NOT prefer poor, awkward, fat males. :)

The researchers’ findings were published in the journal Feminist Media Studies.


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[–][deleted] 1169 points1170 points  (88 children) | Copy

And men like thin women with big tits. I know, I was mindblown by this groundbreaking discovery too.

[–]Best_Crisis_Actor 10 points10 points [recovered] | Copy

Lol. I have a friend that has dated only large chicks. Too large if you ask me. He is always commenting on stuff like plus size, curvy, and hmf.

One day we were talking, and I mentioned how he likes the big girls. He disagreed, and I cited examples.

He said, "well I don't prefer them, but it seems its all I can get."

Turns out he's just a realist, who gets laid way more often than I do.

[–]illusiveab194 points195 points  (31 children) | Copy

I mean..if your friend likes big girls, that's cool. But let's not pretend like fucking big girls for the sake of getting laid is a legitimate means by which to judge the standard. I'd rather jerk off or work harder than simply accept "welp this is the best I can do" and act like I'm hitting my pinnacle just because I'm getting laid a lot.

[–]Endorsed Contributorbalalasaurus132 points133 points  (17 children) | Copy

You’ve got the right idea but don’t be so quick to dismiss guys that do that. If you’ve ever been through a serious drought, then you should know that not getting any can create a crippling feedback loop. Dudes that can at least get some are often better off in their attitudes towards women than those who haven’t gotten their dicks wet in a minute.

You are right though; the goal should always be to be better and get better. Hunger drives men on a primal level. That fact should never be forgotten.

[–][deleted] 65 points66 points  (11 children) | Copy

Everyone’s been hogging before, it’s supposed to be shameful though. not accepted and damn sure not celebrated

[–]Wolveryn21 points22 points  (0 children) | Copy

Hogging is the funniest term I've ever heard. Gold!

[–]thetotalpackage745 points46 points  (4 children) | Copy

It reminds me of the old joke which goes, "what does a moped and a fat chick have in common? They're both fun to ride until one of your friend sees you."

Personally I would never date a fat woman. But I would say fucking one is way better than jerking off as long as no one finds out.

[–]pmmedenver32 points33 points  (3 children) | Copy

Yeah or until she gets pregnant and decides to keep it.

[–]harsha_hs2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

This happens quite often than you think.

[–]Wissenschaft850 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That goes with any woman, not just fat chicks.

[–]dave07810 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Hogging , or , "Porkaloading" as we tagged it in the 80s (snarf some gash?) is not an entirely low risk sport, sport. A buddy a mine was into it, MAJORY, and was rather haughty about it, until the unfortunate "incident " occurred. He had a more than embarrassing muff diving accident, one for the journals.
As he was getting into the 69 positi0n , and 190 lbs. of grade A USDA HOG was lowering herself on to his FACE, he was about to discover a very salient part of her medical history. You see, she had been diagnosed with a GI-GU fistula, AND.... and...... this was on top of a smoldering case of ulcerative colitis. The resultant pocket of flatus did a meld move from her rectum into her vaginal vault, with a resultant explosive quieffing/fart fledgling event that would rock the world. And she ate beans. Needless to say, although he was already drunk he ended up adding a whole new meaning to the term "shit faced" that nite, and eventually married an anorexic, one he is still with to this day. I don't want to alarm you but, caveat , hoggers and porkaloaders alike, proceed at your own risk.

[–]Raii-v20 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Idk, my man Paco in college routinely nailed anything on the scale higher than 5-10. They all loved him too.

[–]Garathon10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

A hog is less than 5, that's not hogging.

[–]plainposter0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

he's hogging all the bitches though

[–]sickofallofyou23 points24 points  (1 child) | Copy

They're called Practice girls.

[–]fromthecrypt820 points21 points  (0 children) | Copy

Extremely well said. This is true af. Dipping your schlong in some fat chick poontang if you’ve had an insane dryspell is better than getting into that negative Feedback loop where all your dick knows is the palm of your hand or a fleshlight.

[–]SpecialSpnk6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Ya look at the incel examples. Those people are the trash of the earth

[–]needaparka0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Eh, personally, I have no problems with going through a dry spell. It doesn't harm my self-esteem at all. I get a bit rusty but that can be fixed within a week or two of pimpin'.

I think that it's far more damaging to have the belief that you must be continually getting laid otherwise your value is dying. That's like a girl who needs those likes on the 'gram to maintain her self esteem.

[–]GutShot9 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

I went out solo on Saturday, I got a little too drunk so my game was slipping but I was talking with these two girls, the one was cute but the other was a big girl, not disgusting but too big for me. Well ofc the big girl takes a liking to me, her friend says she's leaving but the big girl was cool so w/e I danced a bit with her but was keeping my distance (something a younger, weaker, more desperate me would have never done at that level of intoxication). Because I was keeping my distance like 4 black guys in a row came up behind her and were grinding on her, the whole time shes giving me this look like "come save me!". Once again a younger, weaker, white knight... So the bar closes and I'm outside talking with some random people and she comes out and instantly the black bouncer is all over her, once again she's looking at me like "come get me!". I finish my cigarette and walk home. Don't have much of a point other than I have grown.

[–]7mile_44 points45 points  (3 children) | Copy

Haha "Come save me". Like she couldn't just walk away from them

[–]2Overkillengine24 points25 points  (0 children) | Copy

More like "Come validate me by confronting this other male on my behalf!"

[–]_xX-BongRippa420-Xx_4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

"If you save me that's fine. If not, I'll just let this bouncer whisk me away."

Walking away seems the best option.

[–]chuckthundercock2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Only recalibration here would have been to hit on the big fat one and completely neg the hot one. You may have ended up with the hotter one. Given circumstances and fatigue, you did well anyway..

[–]plainposter0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

yeah i'd never fuck a fatty.. ever

[–]KnowBrainer-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

If you can knock up 20 bigger chicks or 1 slim hottie... I mean the girl children will all end up whores anyway, but the male offspring will at least maybe be bigger and stronger.

Quantity over quality if you're following nature.

[–]antigenocide12 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Good thing we can opt out of child support laws since they are unnatural.

[–]KnowBrainer0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Law is a woman's invention to turn men against themselves

[–]banjew37 points38 points  (6 children) | Copy

When I was 20 and 30 I liked big girls. Not obese, but curvy. Turns out I only liked big tits.

Now that I'm older, I had my share of huge tits. I still like them, but now I much prefer thin, young girls. I could care less about their tits. Incredible how tastes change.

[–]Troll_Name17 points18 points  (5 children) | Copy

Probably because the ones with big tits have disproportionately massive egos.

[–]banjew39 points40 points  (2 children) | Copy

Thin young girls have much bigger egos.

[–]AncientScrolls0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Thin young girls have much bigger egos.

Especially if they have a legion of betas following them around and doing everything they can to get their attention. Its usually these types of girls that end up as a narcissistic.

[–]SovereignSoul760 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

E(go) = M(assive)C(upsize)2

It actually IS proportionate!

[–]Jonlife27 points28 points  (0 children) | Copy

Most guys will fuck what they can get. They lower their standards. This is cuck like behavior, but most men have ultra low self esteem. Especially when it comes to dealing with women.

If you want to Guage a man's self esteem, just look at the of women he's keeping around.

[–]SickofUrbullshit8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Your friend must be truly desperate if he's dating landwhales.

[–]Cenki24 points25 points  (9 children) | Copy

I don't frequent this subreddit but I wanted to pop into the topic, then I saw this comment and got disgusted about the pigfucker, and wondered if that term was allowed here.

[–]Best_Crisis_Actor 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Its allowed by me. Not sure about the subreddit. I actually lmao. I'm going to read it again when I finish.

[–]banjew13 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy

haha pigfucker, hogging, you guys are the best.

[–]juliusstreicher0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yessir, I've just increased my vocabulary 100 fold!

[–]pmmedenver3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

"Allowed here"? You do realize its just a word right.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

"Captain? You do have your whaling license, don't you?"

[–]pevans120 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I’m awarding you extra bonus points for the Sarcasm and the pig comment

[–]Bear_x 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Sidebar, bud. Thank me later

[–]1Entropy-70 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I like triple-cheeseburgers but I am not going to eat them every day.

What is it they say? Fat chicks are like mopeds: fun to ride but embarassing to be seen with one.

[–]SovereignSoul760 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Hey, it's a legit strategy. It's not only whether or not your dick actually makes it inside her puss; its a matter of effort as well....even quality of life, if you will.

I know that I can send 1 text and have a 6 at my place in 30 minutes. No questions asked. She is HAPPY to respond. Versus all of the hand-holding, cajoling, arguing, validation, negotiating and bullshit that comes along with boning an HB9.

You can have four or five HB6 plates, and maintaining the stable is actually less work than one unstable HB9.

More sex. Less bullshit. Doesn't matter had sex. I don't need arm-candy anyways, I like going stag to events.

[–]killzon32105 points106 points  (2 children) | Copy

That's sexist!!!!! Only women have the right to objectify men. /s

[–]1ozaku743 points44 points  (1 child) | Copy

No need for the /s, on this sub noone would take you seriously with that sentence anyway.

[–]juliusstreicher2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Exactly! Men can objectify men as well!

[–]2mental_models20 points21 points  (3 children) | Copy

I'm more impressed by the people who obtain $funding for studies like these, than by the results(obviously lol).

It's like getting a bunch of money for showing that water is wet...

[–]plainposter1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

probably half the money spent every day is just wasted.. i think that's even an understatement

[–]Gawernator36 points37 points  (18 children) | Copy

I thought we like blubbery obese women because it means they had wealth to eat a lot and stuff /s

[–]1scissor_me_timbers0021 points22 points  (3 children) | Copy

"Rubenesque" is the term, and they weren't obese, they were just thicker.

[–]EPArt28 points29 points  (1 child) | Copy

I believe kids now call it thicc

[–]Troll_Name12 points13 points  (6 children) | Copy

It was attractive when it was rare.

Pale skin is still attractive in East Asia, partly because areas other than Japan are just-now breaking into the wonderful world of wealth. Having dark skin meant you were a farmer or filth-worker, and thus effectively worthless.

When China's rising middle class turns itself white through sun deprivation, women will fetishize the 'traditional' look.

[–]thetotalpackage79 points10 points  (3 children) | Copy

That's exactly what happened in the west. The Victorian ladies especially would walk around with the sun umbrellas. A tan meant you were a pleb outside scrubbing laundry on a washboard in a lot all day or picking some crop.

[–]FractalNerve5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

I still believe that a muscular, suited, tanned man would get laid more often than a pale one, even back then. The "bad" color (cultural ideal) would only add to the hottness factor.

[–]needaparka0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Having spent some time in a place where the culture still heavily values white skin, I can say that this is emphatically not the case.

[–]Phoenixtorment1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Same thing with smoking, the upper class people would smoke. Implied wealth. Then the plebs started smoking, so the upper classes stopped.

[–]UniversalFapture0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

So if i, a black man, travel to poland, i’d be the shit ?

[–]MilesGroome0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It is interesting to think about different places/times in the world and observing what makes people attractive based on their popular culture. Like you say, pale skin in East Asia is attractive because having a tan usually means that you have to spend a majority of your day outside working meaning that you are poor. This is similar to 19th & 20th century Europe. The rich would try their best to not get a tan in order to remain more white/attractive. I find this interesting because in Western society now, there are tanning salon's, tanning creams, etc and everyone is doing what they can to get a little bit of colour. This just goes to show how popular culture can influence the lives of the followers, to make changes in their appearance to appear more attractive.

[–]Neal_Armstrong5 points6 points  (5 children) | Copy

A cheeseburger is not wealthy food.

[–]Gawernator17 points18 points  (3 children) | Copy

Obvious sarcastic comment was sarcastic, went right over your head.

[–]Neal_Armstrong 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

I knew it was sarcastic, I responded to your joke with another joke, guess rely truly doesn't understand sarcasm unless you write /s

[–]301niko0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Holy shit, your sarcasm sucks then even though everyone knows it's just an excuse lol.

[–]Indubitably_Confused0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Should have wrote it as: Cheeseburger is wealthy food. Your sarcasm does suck.

[–]EPArt2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

lol well depends on how many you have for lunch breakfast and dinner not to mention the snacks

[–]king_yallah641 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

But really though, is anyone honestly all that surprised?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I like em with medium tits tbh. Just saying.

[–]Swordeater1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Anything that doesn't fit in my hand is a waste if you ask me, a nice pair of B or C cups and I'm off to town! Dated a girl with 34Es, while they were fun for a bit, and I'm sure infinitely fun for other dudes, I found they got in the way, and they sagged a fair bit. A pair of Bs won't sag till she's at least 30-35!

[–]SavingMasculinity0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

In other news, water...wet.

[–]ShearAhr-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

You got here first I was gonna write that.... Haha.

[–]k-ma511 points512 points  (6 children) | Copy

In other news, water is wet.

[–]LibertyIsNotFree96 points97 points  (1 child) | Copy

Sky is blue, tune in for more breaking news at 6

[–]plainposter6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

hey it's fuckin midnight and i'm still waiting for my breaking news.. where did you guys go?

[–]bigz00017 points18 points  (0 children) | Copy

Does saying you’ve run your own study get you laid somehow???

[–]OSaraiva185 points186 points  (26 children) | Copy

If someone studies this in 500 years, i'm pretty sure the result will be the same.

[–]Alegretron21 points22 points  (1 child) | Copy

That look and manner of being will probably be folklore and legend by then unfortunately ... Like the Vikings or Spartans.

[–]WolfofAnarchy9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

On one hand I wanna raise a kid who's gonna be a fucking RP'd badass, have a fantastic life, screw heaps of chicks, explore the world, attain power and have a tremendous life, but on the other hand, I look at this world, and I don't want to put someone into it.

[–]Moneyley41 points42 points  (18 children) | Copy

I wish; I think the pussification of men is rampant. Poor diet and lack of discipline as well as lack of brain gains is possibly going to change the dna of men. Look at the bombardment of recent allegations in combination with women starting campaigns against cat calling. They literally dont have any idea of how they want to be approached. I come here and read of another story where a bro was saved by recording his game, or simply recording himself during a uber ride. If anything, at one point, the suit (ironically because of these type of surveys) will be banned because it is "too intimidating" to women. Women will cry "its no fair, he wore a suit and said HI to me...I followed him to his room and he let me in but but I really didnt want to be in there".

[–]GutShot9 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

We just need a good war too kill off half the male population and bring balance to the force again.

[–]whenrudyardbegan37 points38 points  (11 children) | Copy

Uhhh no that's the problem, the last war killed off all the good men

[–]resume_1 point2 points  (10 children) | Copy

Good = stupid in this case.

No amount of war propaganda will make me sacrifice my own life towards any cause. I like life way too much to die for anything.

I’m somewhat ashamed to admit it (I’m childless atm) but I probably won’t sacrifice my own life for my kids either. I can always make more.

[–]d15603 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Not sure why you are being down-voted. Sacrificing your life for some random ideal sprouted by some random person seems to be the highest level of betaness

[–]whenrudyardbegan4 points5 points  (8 children) | Copy

Yeah you're a pathetic faggot who will never breed

[–]resume_10 points11 points  (6 children) | Copy

See how strongly it is programmed in us men to sacrifice our lives for women, society, ideals, kids? It even makes you angry just reading about another man rejecting this concept.

I say fuck everybody, every man for himself. My life is my biggest treasure, no one else can have it.

[–]whenrudyardbegan0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

Of course it's programmed, people who weren't programmed like that went extinct

[–]resume_4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy

Yup, men are the expandable workforce, the grinded meat lube on the gears of progress.

But it doesn’t have to be like that anymore, we’re civilized now.

[–]whenrudyardbegan-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy

It doesn't have to be like that now but that doesn't mean you have to not care about your family, dipshit

[–]BreakingRed_2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

And all is right with the world.

[–]plainposter0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

no we just need to stop biologically fucking with the human species and playing god... the contraceptive pill is DESTROYINGG humanity in one very swift motion...

[–]plainposter0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

it's the contraceptive pill... it's making women prefer more feminine men which is destroying the gene pool

[–]Moneyley0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I must disagree. There is resounding evidence, at least on this subreddit, that points to women only wanting more feminine men (beta's/guys only to settle down with) only to get fucked by Chad's, even while married. I've been the beta in my early 20's but around 28 I found TRP and have been the Chad more times than I can count. They secretly love assertiveness and dominance but will never openly say it because of image.

[–]1ozaku712 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

If feminism goes with the same momentum it does now, we will end up with a Rick and Morty episode that turns out to be true, where men are left to their destiny and only used to extract their semen for the hyperfeminine society.

[–]rebelde_sin_causa2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

In less than 500 years, everyone will be banging lifelike sex robots and totally ignoring the opposite sex

[–]EPArt1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

If the feminist havent started another world war by then and the world is post apocalyptic. Now I think about it that may be the best situation for men a post apocalyptic world most of the sjw and girly men may die first in high numbers probably getting killed protecting women.

[–]WISE_TURD0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

One would hope. If it wasn't, then thousands of years of natural selection are down the drain due to procreating betas and smart alphas avoiding divorce rape and child support.

[–]BobbyPeru115 points116 points  (2 children) | Copy

So this confirms that lifting is good.


[–]abstractplebbit74 points75 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yeah it's a good thing we have that settled finally

[–]Nemunas 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

"One striking initial observation by the researchers was that most men uploaded were white, despite London being a fairly diverse city." As expected. I saw a study from USA some years ago that white females were the most loyal group of any race, even more than white males. Other than that it is pretty obvious that women from other races prefer white men.

[–]areq1322 points23 points  (13 children) | Copy

Did you mean the OkCupid stats about match scores by race? Yeah, that was pretty clear cut, even on an urban, liberal site: white men were the most popular group and black women the least popular.

[–]Churff21 points22 points  (12 children) | Copy

Cus nobody actively and looks for a black woman, unless she’s light skinned. I don’t understand how there can be such a huge gap in attractiveness between black girls and light skin girls. Lightskin girls are 2nd hottest for me behind white girls, and dark skins all the way at the bottom

[–]Taco_Truck_Aficionad 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

I went through a jungle fever phase. What I came to realize is that it's not good to have a LTR with a black woman.

  1. If you get her pregnant and she lets the fetus live, your offspring will forever be lower class mixtos. They'll never fully be accepted by your society, your culture, and your family.

  2. Even though the ones I dated were some of the "good ones," they came from entire families of niggers. Often would be the case that their friends are niggers, their family is niggers, and ugh, I don't want to be involved in that.

  3. They don't age well. How many black MILF's do you ever see? I see plenty of white, Asian, and latina MILF's, rarely do I ever see black MILF's.

  4. The facts of reality is that we live in a racist society and culture. Even liberals are racist. If you have an LTR with a black chick, she'll always be second class and treated differently than you. She'll act different, talk different, and think differently than you.

  5. You gotta watch what you say around them.

[–]MasterOwls17 points18 points  (2 children) | Copy

This is a based post. 100% agree with everything. And the funny thing is I know you are not racist. You are a realist. Lord help you though if you repeat these valid points in public

[–]hawkeaglejesus5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

statistically, black women are the most poor, have the most STDs, the most obesity, the least education, and most likely to divorce.

[–]RedwallAllratuRatbar3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy

  1. Actually children of like 2 extremely tall people or 2 extremely smart people is somewhat bound to be worse than them.

[–]Perfect-Practice6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Define extreme.

Extreme height and IQ are almost a disadvantage in terms of health and EQ.

[–]plaudite_cives1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

he explicitly mentioned regression to the mean - because it's always better to somewhat regress from 130 parents' average than from 115...

[–]Churff0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I agree with all of those except point 1. Lightskins are desired very much now and they’re seen as the most attractive group, at least among youngins.

[–]1Tommy_407-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

I understand where youre coming from but as a white "meathead" esque male FWIW i have plates very dark skin black women and had extreme episodes of sexual pleasure from it. Some have large breasts & very curvy asses, and a laid-back sort of "easy to bed" swagger & they are ready to fuck for the right man. They have a sort of rhythmn that certain white females do not. If anyone has the opportunity plate a black female. LTR is a different story. No reason to LTR anyone really unless they're temporarily perfect for you.

[–]Bostenboy135 points136 points  (72 children) | Copy

Living in the Bay Area and having worked in silicon valley, 98.5% of young Asian women I see are dating white men. As for the Asian guys, they're shit out of luck. Asian women are a great example of how all women will use any opportunity to get a more dominant masculine man when given the choice.

[–]Gawernator56 points57 points  (3 children) | Copy

I see guys saying this but in Berkeley and SF I see a lot of asian girls with asian men too. More like 50/50 split. Definitely white or asian only though. lol

[–]Bostenboy20 points21 points  (2 children) | Copy

I know right, only Asian and white. It's like the Asian men around here lost a bet or something.

[–]Gawernator0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Well they all drive Teslas or new BMW's so they have that

[–]AllahHatesFags 6 points6 points [recovered] | Copy

Most Asian and Indian men are beta as fuck.

[–]Bostenboy111 points112 points  (9 children) | Copy

True, but I think Asian men in general make great people. They are educated, work very hard, responsible with children, and respectful to people. They are what a women would describe as the perfect men but clearly you don't see women going for them and as much as they won't admit it, it's because they tend to be less masculine. Women instead fantasize about a Latino Don Juan type that goes around fucking and abandoning once she gets pregnant.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (7 children) | Copy

they for sure are. but they are raised to be beta. isolated from sports, forced to do extra homework or musical instruments, usually no good dominant male model, few role models to look up to (if they are focused on race, which unfortunately most minorities are)

a lot of them have a defeatist attitude towards dating as well, which is the real killer for them

Women instead fantasize about a Latino Don Juan

they just fantasize about someone who is dominant and treats them they way they actually want to be treated (not what the movies/tv show). their mind will fill in the rest whether its don juan, the 50 shades of grey guy, whoever

[–]Bostenboy 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Well they focus and try to excel in what they can and that's what anyone in their situation would do. Let's be real, an Asian man's physique could not typically compete in sports like football and basketball when put among other races. They use their brains, and it works for them, that's their strong point and where the focus is at. Whenever I need something done right in the office, I seek out help usually from Asian male counterparts, they know how to get shit done without fucking around and complaining. I appreciate their style of doing things, and honestly think that it would make No difference if they did things, "masculine things" that women liked. There is no pleasing women, when the first thing they see and look for in a man is his masculine physique and features. There's plenty of Asian men here in CA living a completely "western" life style as a white American would but that doesn't change the fact that all things compared, the girl will go for the next guy who has the more masculine physique.

[–]SweetCheeksMagee11 points12 points  (5 children) | Copy

This is racist as hell. The most muscular men I know irl are all Asian. Asians as a race are not physically inferior to any other race, rather the average Asian man is less muscular than the average African or European simply because Asian cultures place less emphasis on weightlifting and sports in general. Computer programmer Ping might be scrawny, but its just because he spends all his time.indoors writing code. If he spent time in the weight room he could be as muscular as any man.

[–]Utterberetacht1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

If “computer programmer Ping” ditched glasses, lifted, stopped being geeky, improved his fashion sense and started implementing game, he’d have no problem.

Bottom line = get your house in order before playing the race card.

[–]Bostenboy 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

No, I'm not racist alright. Muscular and Masculine are not the same thing. The verdict is up to women, and all things being equal they're obviously not choosing Asian guys.

[–]Josh98123 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

environment plays a role too since you live in a white society, women would get shunned by the majority whites for dating minority men. Like how it is in any country. Self hating Asian girls just want white acceptance by dating white men. Also media plays a role since every tv show or movie portrays white men in a positive light and shitting on minorities.(Asian men always portrayed as weak nerds in Hollywood)

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[–]Bear-With-Bit0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Only in America. Cultural self victimization. Back home, it's a level playing field.

[–]spaceunm-4 points-3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Everyone is beta in a foreign country. Don't try to go to Asia or India and then pretend like white guys will get any alpha action.

[–]J-baller42 points43 points  (44 children) | Copy

Black men are stereotyped as being the most dominant masculine men.

[–]AllahHatesFags121 points122 points  (2 children) | Copy

Yeah but they are also the least wealthy.

[–]ReadySetGonads0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Stereotypically (you forgot to add that bro)

[–]Bostenboy73 points74 points  (0 children) | Copy

Dominant indeed, but they are also stereotyped as not having much money. Asian girls fucking love money.

[–]1CoupDeGrace2234 points35 points  (15 children) | Copy

Propagandized into portrayal as the most dominant you mean, only idiots in the US believe that which is also reinforced by how garbage a big part of male population is here, most other white parts of the world( Most of Europe, Japan, China, Russia,) black men still sit on the lower parts of the totem pole.

[–]red_matrix[🍰] 41 points42 points  (14 children) | Copy

Blacks in the US seem to be more aggressive, but it could also be a class thing too. Lower class and blue-collar (all races) seem to be more aggressive and have that natural DGAF attitude, it could be due to testosterone (from physical work), working around men all day, or just a fuck the man mentality.

Modern jobs have men sitting all day, slowly dying, working in cubes under artificial light, and working with women, and in many cases nowadays working for women. I wonder how years of this could rewire a man's brain.

[–]fromthecrypt818 points19 points  (3 children) | Copy

That last paragraph paints an ugly picture. Speaking from experience, such an environment is definitely not good for a man. I can feel the estrogen build up by the day.

[–]red_matrix[🍰] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

At least you recognize this, many don't and the longer it sets in the longer the subconscious impact will be.

[–]fromthecrypt82 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

True, plus you can do things to counter it if you are aware of it happening.

[–]plainposter-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

i need all this estrogen out of my god damn system.. it's disgusting

[–]Thinkingard19 points20 points  (2 children) | Copy

Its eugenics man... their history of slavery also meant they were selectively bred and not all got to reproduce or survive. Do pure African men ever strike you as dominant? Its always the post-slave blacks who kill it in sports and not the African countries.

[–]plainposter4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yes, sort of disturbing for most people, but true nonetheless.

[–]juliusstreicher0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Selective breeding is, for the most part, an urban legend, in re American slaves.

[–]Andgelyo14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy

It is definitely a class thing. I grew up in metro NJ and close to NYC and most of my friends (regardless of race) had the IDGAF attitude. High school friends were in gangs, smoked weed, talked about hoes all day, etc. Shit it’s probably were I got my behavior from too. When I went to graduate school in Massachusetts it was like the upper class white men there had vaginas.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy

Lower iq on average, also. Men with higher iq tend to be hyper intellectual, which often bars them from expressing their masculinity/true selves.

[–]red_matrix[🍰] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

I'm not to sure about that. People in college back in the 60s and 70s weren't the wimps we see on campus today.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

That's because those in college nowadays aren't nearly as intelligent as those in the past. In the 60s/70s, those who went to college were top tier, intellectually. Today, every generic dope goes to college.

[–]red_matrix[🍰] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Lower iq on average, also. Men with higher iq tend to be hyper intellectual, which often bars them from expressing their masculinity/true selves.

But doesn't that go against your assertion that the more intellectual you are, the less masculine.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yes, I did just contradict myself there.

I would argue that higher iq men in the 60s and 70s also shared a similar lack of masculine expression to their lower iq counter parts, however, when considering the same iq difference today, I'd bet the difference in masculine expression is much larger due to increased culture persuasion over the past 5 or 6 decades.

[–]maplemaximus1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

IQ tests only test a specific type of intelligence. People specialize in different forms of intelligence, we just happen to prefer a specific type in our society.

As a black male, I've found my peers (mostly black) to be pretty competent in the criteria posed in an average IQ test. They on average aren't shit when it comes to being intellectual (which most people aren't), but higher IQ has little to do with masculinity. You're either a smart wuss or you're not.

Men from the 60's and 70's were high IQ'd but weren't bitches because of how they were raised. Race realists discount environment greatly for the sake of confirmation bias. A black suburban kid with no access to the hard and confrontational life of his inner city counterparts is going to be a blue-pilled sissy.

[–]majorketone15 points16 points  (2 children) | Copy

I have no scientific study to back this up but I feel as though there is a larger gap between attractive black men and unattractive ones. Like proportionally there are fewer very attractive black men than very attractive white men. Maybe something to do with a bell curve. Maybe I'm just projecting

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[–]FuckMichaelMcCoy4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

I have seen some really good looking + dominant black men struggling to get a legit non-black HB8. Even some pro athletes end up with HB6-7s ironically. The ones I see with HB8's are usually light skin black girls (who are hot tbh) but rare to see them with a really sexy latina/white girl which are usually "trophy wifes"

[–]BlaueBlumeFreiheit 6 points6 points [recovered] | Copy

Unfortunately they are also the most uncivilized.

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[–]StudntRdyTeachrApear44 points45 points  (8 children) | Copy

Stupidity isn't alpha. I've fucked plenty of black chicks who were somehow even dumber than the most basic white whores I couldnt stand to have to talk to. Being witty, providing banter, or having the ability to add an intelligence multiplier to your physical prowess is not a meme. The meme is when beta nerds over compensate by marketing the only quality they think they have. Girls would 9.9/10 choose the better looking guy that can make her laugh because he's not stupid over the other guy who's a bit more physically masculine but dumb and boring.

[–]plainposter0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

civility isn't alpha either

[–]BlaueBlumeFreiheit0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

If they threaten the cultural identity of the society they leech off - then yes, many women do care!

[–]abstractplebbit5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Not to mention the least attractive

[–]red_matrix[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That doesn't mean they aren't getting laid.

[–]bacon_coffee0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Not everywhere in the world, no. Perhaps in a few parts of the US.

[–]Bear-With-Bit3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy

Asian women are hyper sexual, too. Don't let that coy shy conversative bullshit fool you. No one is forcing Japanese women to make all that porn, the Chinese chicks to give those handjobs at massage spas. Even if they are forced into that sort of work, good chance they actually enjoy it. If not, they can easily get an accounting job.

[–]Bostenboy10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thailand literally sells sex to foreign tourists which is how they've become the wealthiest in the region from the tourist dollars. So yes, Asians are hypersexual and that's why it's funny when they try to say things about sexualization in the west.

[–]Utterberetacht7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Many Asian women are notoriously white-worshipping and self-hating, and will take every opportunity to throw their male counterparts under the bus. They have kids with white men hoping their kids will be white, but instead they almost always end up looking even more Asian than full-blooded Asians and becoming mentally unstable, e.g. Isla Vista shooter.

In many cases, Asian men are also their own worst enemies due to fobby tiger parents raising them to be neurotic subservient betas: over-focus on academic success, little exposure to athletics, no lifting, respect at gunpoint, etc. So my advice is to reclaim your masculinity, lift, learn+adopt game and if you have tiger parents, tell them to fuck off.

Those who aren’t the “typical Asian man” tend to slay well so yeah, being an Asian male doesn’t curse you to a life of celibacy.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (3 children) | Copy

how does one approach an asian woman? They usually just scowl at me, look bored or act like they're better than me.

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yes, I have some kinda racial insecurity around Asian women. They're too cute!

[–]Bostenboy1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

ehh.. just be white and have a job and you'll be good to go.

[–]WestyWorld42 points43 points  (25 children) | Copy

White females are the most loyal? That has not been my experience.

[–]Bruno-OS69 points70 points  (5 children) | Copy

I think he means loyal to their race...whatever that means.

[–]SexlessNights43 points44 points  (2 children) | Copy

They only date white dudes for the most part.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMarsupian56 points57 points  (1 child) | Copy

When they get railed by a black dick they usually do it on the down low to protect their status.

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah not sure if there are any statistics out there, but if you look at trends in single motherhood, divorce rates, etc. it would be asians followed somewhat closely by white people, then mexicans and blacks at the very top end. Black people are huge outliers in all those statistics, having between 70-80% single parenting rates in developed countries compared to asians at about 15% and whites at about 28%.

So, realistically it's probably asian girls.

[–]Wel10814 points15 points  (1 child) | Copy

I believe they are. For some reason white females only wanted hookups and a fun time, I'm hispanic. Whereas hispanic women, black etc will venture off and commit to men of a different culture.

[–]Hillarysdilddo_201618 points19 points  (2 children) | Copy


White females love the CC.

[–]pmmedenver6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

I guess. All the CC riders ive met are miserable and depressed.

[–]Hillarysdilddo_20160 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Well true, but that is the end result.

They don't start off hating it.

They only hate it after realizing they were used for nothing but pump n dump by an arena full of men and they are physiologically broken.

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[–]exotictantra3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Looks like they have lumped Indians in this study with Asians.

Split them up and see who is most loyal group :)

for Indians it's an outlier to marry another Indian from a different group( language/religion/caste ) let alone a non-indian.

[–]Bruno-OS 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

How do these correlate with the different amount of people of each race? Since there is more white people than any other race, white people will get married to the most often.

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[–]wanderer7794 points5 points  (6 children) | Copy

What he means is since the country's 70% white there's going to be less marrying outside your race for that population than native Americans who comprise 2% or whatever.

Like imagine you're doing sock laundry and you have 100 pairs of white socks and 5 pairs of black. When you pull them out, most of the white socks will be stuck to other white socks but a lot of the black socks will be stuck to white ones. Also some of the black socks will have shot each other but that's a separate topic

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[–]wanderer7791 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah I agree that generally white people are most sought after by all races. But these are both countries where whites were the dominant group. I wonder how it would look in china or Japan? Or how it will look if whites are supplanted by Asians as the dominant group globally?

[–]1ObserverBG[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

The link also mentions that

Black men are the most likely to marry outside their race while black women are least likely to enter into an interracial marriage.

If thats the case, though, white women in SA are more likely to race mix compared to black women, and white men.

If Whites are least likely to race mix of all groups, yet black women are those who are least likely to race mix of all subgroups, this means that the low level of race mixing among whites in SA is caused by white men shunning it, since black women have lower rate of race mixing compared to white women, yet blacks have higher rate of race mixing compared to whites.

As mentioned, while black women are those least likely to race mix, black men are those most likely to race mix, which causes higher race mixing among blacks overall.

It would be good if the study itself could be found for more clarity.

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[–]wanderer7790 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

anecdotally the eye contact and vibes I (white dude) get from girls conforms to these statistics. So maybe white dudes are dtf whoever is interested and this is just who is interested.

The least interested are black girls. I think in my whole life like 2 black girls have shown any IOI.

[–]WestyWorld1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think by loyal, you mean loyal to their own race? If so, loyal isn’t the right word. Hoes and loyal don’t mix.

[–]trp_angry_dwarf17 points18 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm positive that white women require an "experience". So when on the carousel, their same-race percentage is low.

When they've "found themselves" and it's time to settle down with the beta bux, then they'll choose based on their background.

[–]Five_Decades10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's not pc to say, but it's because of status.

[–]replepok2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

The most loyal when everything is going well, as soon as shit start going down they will be the first to go.

[–]jewishsupremacist8813 points14 points  (9 children) | Copy

alittle secret about "white" women who are coal burners; they're mostly jewish. very few, on a statistical basis, upper middle class white women (meaning those of germanic descent) are race mixers.

[–]1TimmyTurnersNuts8 points9 points  (8 children) | Copy

Coal burners? Lmao bro you got some issues

[–]jewishsupremacist882 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy

race traitors, race mixers, etc

[–]maplemaximus2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy

So people are supposed to be loyal to their race in regards to dating? Who the fuck are you to tell two people they can't be together?

[–]jewishsupremacist880 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

It usually leads to the ultimate sin, producing bi-racial children who have lots of issues. It's a fucking crime.

[–]maplemaximus4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy

The ultimate sin is a ridiculous description of it. Not murder, not rape, not genocide, none of that but two people who didn't get to choose which race they'd be born into, getting together in a relationship. Yep, that's definitely worthy of being the ultimate sin.

Two people from different races being together is not worthy of being called a crime. We're all human, we're bound to be attracted to one another regardless of race. People against race-mixing always turn the other way when the person doing it is personally undesirable to them. White men freak out when beautiful white women date out, and black women freak out when handsome successful black men date out. Silence ensues when two ugly poor looking people are race mixing at wal-mart.

If a kid can't handle being bi-racial, then honestly that's just pathetic, just another one of the West's first world problems. Race is only as big a deal as you want it to be. Is it a real thing? Of course. Is it something we need to bring up 24/7? I doubt it. Biracial children struggle because of the hyper-racialized world we live in. They don't have a clan, ethnicity, or race to yell at people about on college campuses. That's all there is to it.

A solution to the biracial identity issue is bringing back a clan system but that's just my opinion.

[–]jewishsupremacist88-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy

If a kid can't handle being bi-racial, then honestly that's just pathetic, just another one of the West's first world problems.

Yeah, I don't think half white/black kids like getting clowned on for being too white or not acting black enough. Never-mind the fact that suicide rates for these types of people are higher than for single race people. They also cannot accept bone marrow / organ transplants either. It's a public health issue.

Mate, by Halacha law I am a Jew but I am not religous at all. I can go to Israel and I will be treated as a first class citizen due to my mothers race (Ashkenazi). I know lots of "half" jews whose fathers are Jews or Israelis who married gentiles and they will not be considered Jewish at all and wind up having identity issues due to the fact it is natural to have some affinity toward your parents ethnicity/culture/etc. This is why I think race mixing is wrong, it isn't fair to the kids and it's selfish on the parents behalf.

[–]maplemaximus2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Mixed race people can help one another in regards to transplants. But you're not wrong in thinking that ending it would end those transplant issues.

Who's at fault, the assholes who create these ideas and use them to harm others for circumstances they can't control, or the people who decided to be together despite racial differences? This idea of just letting the norm be the norm and capitulating to people who behave like this is the very thing that created this subreddit in the first place. We capitulated to Social Justice bull-shit and it went too far, and now here you and I are.

If you're a Jew, why don't you talk to other Jews about changing the ideals of your race. Just because it's a long standing practice or idea doesn't change anything. Are you willing to make a change for the sake of others who are clearly Jewish by birth but are considered second-class through bronze-age laws made by desert men who didn't understand genetics?

[–]jewishsupremacist881 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Jews are some of the most barbaric stubborn people in the world and I would not waste my energy trying to convince these people to change their ways. In certain ways they are worse than Muslims.

[–]2Overkillengine0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It's simply due to [fucking] white males tendency to attain and hold higher status. Loyalty has nothing to do with it.

[–]daprospecta-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

Do you really think they'd choose black men? This isn't being braggadocios but black men are the most wanted to be fucked man in the world but it's simply taboo. Yes, today's society is more accepting but Becky that goes to a country club knows she could be shunned if she takes up with a black guy. You think she doesn't want to?

[–][deleted] 32 points33 points  (1 child) | Copy

In other news, scientists have discovered that grass is green!

[–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (0 children) | Copy

Pfft, they didn't add my lawn to the study then.

[–]Andgelyo71 points72 points  (5 children) | Copy

TLDR: Be white, be muscular, wear a suit....yawn.

[–]ChinmayT210 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

And if you are not white let it be. Don't use fairness creams. They don't work.

[–]plainposter3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy

why is everyone so obsessed with white people.. i'm white and my life has been mostly miserable because my parents and childhood were trash... all that matters is how your brain develops and how you interact with the environment.. it has nothing to do with your skin tone for fucks sake.. it's about how you use your brain to get ahead in life by any means necessary.. people who are saying skin colour matters are making excuses to not achieve things

[–]Xainuy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I honestly can't tell if you are being serious or not

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon97 points98 points  (2 children) | Copy

From OP's quote:

show that as a culture we still celebrate masculinity in the form of money and muscle 

Oh, so women liking looks and resources is a cultural thing?

Thank goodness for that... for a second I thought we were going to blame female nature on female nature.

[–]Gawernator18 points19 points  (0 children) | Copy

One day culture will transform to desiring homeless men... sike

[–]Psynaut7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yes, we just need to parent girls differently and then 60 million years of evolution will instantly cease to have any effect on their instinctual desires.

[–][deleted] 73 points74 points  (1 child) | Copy

In other news, men prefer women with small waists, long legs, toned calves, firm ass and larger than average perky tits.

[–]AllahHatesFags18 points19 points  (0 children) | Copy

Fine work by the No Shit, Sherlock Institute.

[–]IdolStud14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy

Survival and replication. These are groundbreaking findings!

[–]droid635 points36 points  (1 child) | Copy

What a stupid fucking study.

Of course woman want muscles, Money, power and good looks.

Just like most men want

Blonde, big tits, nice ass, does laundry and makes dinner.

Dumb ass shit.

[–]drkinferno728 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Women need muscles like life needs water

[–][deleted] 25 points26 points  (0 children) | Copy

Wow i always thought they liked stupid anti-social fat guys on welfare.

This is mindblowing.

[–]pmmedenver8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy

I know this is obvious to most of us around here but I like it because:

  1. Its an actual scientific study. Most of the theory around here borders on bro science
  2. Its important enough that it needs repeating often
  3. If you ask women what they find attractive they simply won't give this answer. It is, for some reason, "counter intuitive" in many cultures.

[–]BrodinsOats3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

lol this was published to the journal, Feminist Media Studies. This isn't science.

[–]tuyguy54 points55 points  (6 children) | Copy

This website is disgusting. I am absolutely horrified that something like this could be allowed.

First of all it is ILLEGAL to take photos of people without their permission. And then to go ahead and POST THESE PHOTOS AND RATE THEM! This is objectification and it is disgraceful. How can we judge ourselves as a species when this rubbish continues?!?!?! was men being photographed without permission? That's alright actually. Never mind nothing to see here.

[–]Flawless4413 points14 points  (4 children) | Copy

It is absolutely not illegal to take pictures of people in public. You have no privacy there. It is also not illegal to post them.

EDIT In the U.S.

[–]tuyguy9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy

Maybe not but I think I made my point. If it were a site for rating women the owner and all users would be destroyed.

[–]Troll_Name1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's a civil matter. Criminal law isn't the only kind of law you can get burned by, as evidenced by pretty much anyone here who has been married or left for dead by someone else's divorce before. (Boss' wife cleans out the business accounts while her husband is drugged in a hospital bed.)

If you use someone else's likeness without their consent, then you had damn well better be well-versed in state law. Contrary to popular misconception, laws aren't exactly the same all over the world.

[–]jokuhuna0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

In many countries it is clearly illegal, in germany for example you may only do it if the person or context is of public interest.

[–]SPREAD_THE_LOVE_77918 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

"Study: ...Oh wait cancel the study this shit is obvious."

[–]nonouiswrong44 points45 points  (2 children) | Copy

"B b but the media says dad-bod is sexy"

[–]JackGetsIt9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

That whole thing was just a confirmation of how much women liked celebrities.

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[–]Endorsed ContributorUrsusG[🍰] 46 points47 points  (4 children) | Copy

inner workings as to why these things are attractive

I may be misunderstanding your question, but the answer is so simple it hardly needs explaining.

tl,dr: Darwinism:

Muscular, wealthy, dominant men can contribute the best genes and the best provisioning to help raise attractive offspring. Dad's high social status helps that offspring succeed in life even more.

[–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat42 points43 points  (3 children) | Copy

the answer is so simple it hardly needs explaining.

Evo psych is shunned hard in progressive circles. I've even met a girl finishing a PhD on birds biology tweets some stabs at evo psych. Let me write that again: a woman whose job is to know inside out how the biology and behavior of birds was shaped by evolution through natural selection would not consider for one second that same phenomenon to explain why human males of all ages are naturally sexually attracted to young and beautiful females. Nope. Gotta be patriarchy. Such is the power of ideas.

[–]Endorsed ContributorUrsusG[🍰] 21 points22 points  (0 children) | Copy

Their argument is basically that humans are now more influenced by culture and ideas than by biology because we're so advanced.

It is true to some extent that culture and ideas greatly accelerate evolution, but that does not mean they invalidate the biological underpinnings.

Culture is a young and thin veneer on the human animal. Strip us of crude oil, electricity and fertilizers and we're back to cavemen priorities in the current year (big strong Gronk gets all the women because he enables survival)

Besides, culture and ideas themselves stem from DNA if you look deep enough.

Attraction is still non-negotiable; women are still attracted to men who would have done well in caveman times, and men are still attracted to women who look like they might bear healthy children (big tits, wide hips, healthy skin and hair)

[–]Gawernator4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Ha. She's probably intelligent too, but such is the power of brainwashing.

[–]2Overkillengine6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Many make the mistake of assuming that intelligence and education automatically counteracts ego protection and post-hoc rationalization.

Nope. Just gives a person more (powerful) tools with which to do so.

[–]foggydew4215 points16 points  (4 children) | Copy

This study provides no insights beyond the fact that women find attractive men attractive. Only those who are deeply blue-pilled would be surprised by this.

Another frequent theme in popular images was displays of wealth, whether it was through jewelry, fancy attire, or expensive technology.

Women aren't so much attracted to money as they are to displays of wealth such as fancy watches or jewelry that convey dominance.

[–]AllahHatesFags4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

I bet if the guy was surrounded by fat stack of cash or gold bars the women would find him attractive.

[–]Troll_Name7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

Women seek resources. That doesn't mean they love the man who has them.

[–]AllahHatesFags0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

No, but unless the man is a blue pill beta cuck doormat they will at least have to put out to have any access to said resources.

[–]juliusstreicher0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This isn't saying anything, because displays of wealth are about 99.99% of what moneyed people, uh, display. I suspect that you will NEVER see a wealthy person wave any money around.

[–]gatsmd10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

Everyone here needs to STOP thinking about the WHY and START thinking about the HOW.

The why, even in regards to science and technology, has driven men mad for centuries. The how tells us how we can do what works, from what we observe. Really, it's all that matters.

You want X, do Y to get it. Who cares why it takes Y to get X?

[–]winner_lahmacun4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

By constructing a strong base for our motivations, it is easier for us to universalize what is obvious. Because nowadays people easily turn a blind eye to things that are way too fucking obvious. It is easier to take advantage of science while arguing, since it is the most universal shit we have as humankind. That's why I think WHY is important.

[–]grass_cutter5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

That would be as useful as arguing amongst males why they like the shit they do, from crazy anime porn to some slut getting gangbanged by the football team to whatever.

No one exactly 'knows' why they have a certain type. They just do. Why do they like McDonald's Big Mac hamburgers and fries? Who the fuck knows why, they just do!

Of course the real reason is evolutionary biology of course. Through millenia it's honed instincts to attempt to make you mate with a worthwhile partner. Of course, many of the sexual attraction markers can be flawed in terms of actual healthy/ mating fitness, but ... it's was caused one's dick to rise.

In this case, women being attracted to wealth and power and strength and dominance? Color me fucking shocked.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy

One major disservice that holywood is perpetuating is that a "Normal" dude can look like a super hero. I've seen numerous trainers and competitive lifters say "There's no way to look like them with out steroids". The super hero look is basically the 9" dick. Its used as the "baseline" of what they deserve. Its frustrating to be the strongest person I know and still not be close to looking like Hugh jackman (wolverine) or dwayne johnson (the rock) or dreamface hemsworth (thor).

[–]EvilBananaManRD6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Look up Fabian Buchert and others in his category (natural bodybuilding, no steroids). He's big but nowhere as big as some of those "superheroes", even though he was World Champion a couple years ago. Quite literally all professional athletes and many actors and models do roids on a weekly basis. Natural bodies don't get near that big no matter what.

[–]dyel24 2 points2 points [recovered] | Copy

|Implying women can reason and form opinions.

[–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (2 children) | Copy

Implying that women's reason can overcome their instincts

[–]dyel2418 points19 points  (0 children) | Copy

Implying that women understand their own behavior and that they understand women better than men

[–]destinationtomorrow2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

whoda thunk it? whoda ever ever thunk it? money well spent on that study. next up... is water wet?

[–]crdr888 points9 points  (7 children) | Copy

I'm all of the above and this is not exactly true. I get passed over for normal guys all the time. I would double down and say, that from experience, I have tried to teach guys how to be wealthy, ripped and dominant for 10 years now. I get met with 110% pure skepticism. Wealth, Dominance, and Muscle is not a silver bullet. There are plenty of these dudes who are complete 100% assholes who are unbearable to be around. If you really take of the goggles. Normal guys get laid everywhere you go... Water seeks its own level. No two ways about it.

[–]FuckMichaelMcCoy5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

You somehow managed to write something that made 110% no sense at all.

[–]pinkalligator3330 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

He’s saying that even men who meet The attractiveness requirement get passed over

[–]360_no_scope_upvote0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Obviously your mentality and game needs work. Women know when your full of shit and forcing confidence

[–]crdr880 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

My game and confidence is fine. The reality is... I am out of a lot of Average to Above Average girls' leagues now. No one tells you when you hit your goals you have to move to where better looking women are which is not always easy. It's a worthwhile challenge. But it's risky. This is why there is so few people at the top with good looking wives. But, when you win, you win big!

But to say Wealth, Dominance and Fitness is the bullet that will have women all over you... That's completely not true. It helps, but you need to pair it with social standing as well. Social standing cannot stand on its own either though... You need to be the complete package.

It's like designing the Greatest App Ever created without an audience that has a problem... Which is also very common. Does a tree make a sound if no one is there to hear it?

I am saying if you are the Ideal. Which I am. You must go to Ideal Environments where you can be valued. Making money, getting ripped and being a dominant guy is easy compared to climbing the social ladder where you will be considered valuable. Anything lower, you are not only undervaluing yourself. You will be ignored and ironically suffer the same consequences as if you done nothing at all in the first place.

TLDR: You can be the most jacked, dominant and wealthy guy in the world. Without social status you're nothing. Vice versa.

[–]360_no_scope_upvote1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

If you are jacked, dominate and wealthy, and you're not slamming 8-10's you are fucking up some where and I now know it's for sure your mentality and game. Be real with yourself, and work on cold approaching and upping your game. You're not giving the tingles, you're not being outgoing and a person people want to gravitate to. That average guy you're talking about that's slamming the pussy you want to is putting his shit on the line and going for what he wants, your just watching this shit happen instead of getting yours, you're at fault.

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[–]Troll_Name24 points25 points  (1 child) | Copy

The fool bemoans reality.

The master exploits it.

[–]madcow132 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Gotta love gold diggers. They keep men hustling. I guarantee that the majority of wealthy men did it over a woman.

[–]Dirtbuggy2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

'I'm really attracted to weak poor men' said no women ever..

[–]nrafield2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

London? But I've read tons of articles how literally all the women in Europe are jumping into the strong, powerful hands of the strong super alpha middle eastern immigrants and leaving their cuck white beta bux betas behind!

[–]Stumpdrumpf4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is a study about a website called TubeCrush...

Not very representative and scientific to be called a scientific study.

[–]bob13bob5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy

so much ignorance in this thread. The average educational level of the posters here are even lower than I thought. Correlation vs causation. This is a correlation data picked from non methodological means.

If we had better that controlled for ethnicity, I would bet rich career focused > color of skin. The rich have set the smv and fashion setters for a long team. Even the names we were given follow a correlation of what rich people name their children.

The median white is way less successful than the median Indian or Asian in California. It's not because some skin color is better, it's because the selection criteria for international immigrating is much more stringent than being born here. Also, there is data that woman choose men who are genetically different.

it's mentally lazy, easy, and weak to just assume you're born better than your competition. I thought we emphasized strength and hard truths in here.

[–]1TimmyTurnersNuts6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

TRP is great. Great content but every now and again you'll have your storm front fuckers show their colors(ironically). Don't have even bother arguing with them. Let them think "derp I'm superior cause I'm white! Derp!" It's not worth it.

[–]CostaDelicata-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

The average educational level of the posters here are even lower than I thought.

Well, you are here, commenting on the regular in many threads. So its yourself you refer to, yes?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

where users upload photos of male London Underground passengers, to evaluate the male archetypes straight women and gay men found most attractive.

If that were reversed London would grind to a halt decrying this.

[–]petechamp1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Just had a look at the site... most posts seem to be submitted by gay men...

[–]kam5161 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

"In other news, water is wet"

[–]1WeedDaddy8 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy


If you do an image search, most "blokes" on that site are DYEL tier:

To be fair, there was one guy who'd get the TRP stamp of approval

Brits don't seem to skip the leg day, rather all the rest:

Oh dear, they seriously need to have a national discussion about manspreading.

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (1 child) | Copy

Lol they aren’t dyel tier at all. Keep coping with your dirty bulks

[–]pmmedenver1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Let me know when you can fly with the wings under your arms. Until then, DYEL bro?

[–]Casanova-Quinn2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Obvious results. You'll find the same thing on Reddit. Just look at the ladyboners subreddit. Most of the highly upvoted men are in-shape celebrities with facial hair.

[–]Despacit02 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy

It's not the muscles, not the dominant alpha type shit, it's ALWAYS money that wins. Show me a girl who doesn't like money and I will show you a unicorn with a cat riding it.

You can be the ugliest guy in the world, but you got money. You good nigga.

[–]FuckMichaelMcCoy5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy

Pathetic hamster. I have a high physical SMV and am not rich, can literally walk around Venice Beach shirtless and rack up dozens of IOI's from quality chicks.

I would be wearing nothing but board shorts and literally nothing else, just let my abs bring em in. (srs)

Meanwhile walk past preppy looking dudes who arent getting any female attention at all. Because they are vanilla ass cookie cutters who look just like every other guy trying to look wealthy.

[–]Despacit01 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

bruh, show me a girl that will choose your abs over a 20 digit bank account and I will show you a flying pig.

EDIT: Even Bill Gates who's basically 200 years old will be choosen over your "abs and hot body" because of his money. You ain't got shit, money wins.

[–]crdr880 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Physical SMV lasts until you're 30. Then the real game starts. Money and Game separates the boys from the men. I dress preppy. But if I took off my shirt and wore board shorts. It would be game over because I have Money and Freedom.

[–]Andgelyo0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

My dude, you could make all the money in the world but be a fat balding motherfucker and guaranteed your wife would slobbing over a strong jawed six pack abs Chad while your choking on spaghetti and meatballs.

[–]Despacit00 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

My point exactly, women will want someone ripped. But if you had to make them choose between money and looks. Money wins bruh. All girls in this planet has a certain price point.

[–]I_Am_the_Spear1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

In other news: water is wet, the sun is bright and what goes up must come down.

[–]tboyacending0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

But apparently they will settle for me.

[–]qwertybuttz0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I prefer guys who are weaklings and geeks; I like to stick to my kind.

[–]Johndoesmith670 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

In other news, water is wet...

[–]plainposter0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Study: rain falls downwards, and fish swim in the water

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Sadly for those who eat up this kind of garbage is that reality/life is far more complex than a study based purely on sexual attraction.

[–]tolerantman0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

For people living inside a bubble this is news worthy.

[–]hawkeaglejesus0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Rich, ripped, and rad. Become it

[–]Trixem_fixem0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Fuck I should work out more

[–]ConsumingImpulse0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The key word is dominant though. Plenty of rich and/or jacked guys out there who suck with women.

[–]FaderOne0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Love the use of any studies or claims backed up by real data. +1

[–]crdr880 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Never take girl advice from skinny guys who are broke.

[–]amalopectin0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Everyone likes money some people just prefer to get it through relationships. Anyway if you're all of these things and not focusing on having an actual personality then you might want to watch your money because people might be attracted to these things but that doesn't necessarily constitute a good relationship

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

In other news, water is wet.

[–]GS4550 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This is self fulling prophecy shit bro. No fucking shit girls are going to like that on a hot-or-not selfie website. How about a fucking website for personalities. Show me that study bro.

[–]d15600 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You cant outrun biology. This shit is hardwired in our reptilian part of our brains.

[–]dave07810 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

From the "duh" file. It is interesting the media always mocks the big, alpha type, but in real life they always have a good looking babe under their arm.
Take Trump's wife, NFL players chicks.
I read an article written by this gal in a major newpaper (yea they still have them) that claimed that the way Arnold used to work out is over, out of style. She said that all cardio and dance moves and yoga shit were in, LOL. The same chick whats wrote it prolly doing some married power lifter on the sly, leaving her skinny beta at home.
I have heard this called "the poindexter syndrome"; whats where a chick chooses one type for sex, and another for a hubby. The sad part is the beta that just LOVES BEIN A DAD, is rasing a couple kids and like half of um aint his. From the movie culture "I can do whatever I want too"(said in a little kid sarcastic voice na na na na na voice)

[–]MizterUltimaman0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Then again, is it a good idea to ask a woman what a woman wants?

[–]bl18710 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Wow ground breaking woman are reportedly liking what they are socialized to like based on no interaction with said men. I'll give them this from the sounds of it they at least were able to anonymously submit pictures of appearances they found interesting in the moment, help cut down on some of the bullshit raddling around up there.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy

Did we really need to do a study on this?

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

Gender Studies needs a purpose of being since it has no purpose whatsoever.

[–]TangoZulu10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

Gender studies has a purpose; at its core, TRP is gender studies. The difference is that liberal/feminist Gender Studies starts with a faulty premise (patriarchy, victim-hood) and reverse engineers the data to fit their agenda and narrative.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

You are right, but gender studies, as you define it, already exists: it's called evolutionary and behavioral psychology. TRP is the most practical and more precise (theoretically and practically) approach.

[–]CalmPassenger 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

So how do I become wealthy?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

invest in crypto, specifically vechain... jk but watch out for shills

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'm a young person who has the opportunity to go to college free of charge because I'm very very lucky with my parents. What steps do you recommend I take to end up being wealthy? I think medical school might be a little to much stress

[–]quickmicrosoft 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

I rather kill myself than lifting.

Women are not worth the effort.

[–]meaningintragedy1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Lifting isn't for women only. It'll make you more confident and respected by people who surround you.

[–]Andgelyo-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

Thanks bro, I’ll lift your girlfriend off of you and into the bed room while she feels my rock hard arms 😉

[–]Dwarf901 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

These are some high-school level arguments. Some men never grow up from "I have/had more X than you" phase.

[–]pmmedenver-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

You can pick up that frumpy girl down the street that nobody wants. Trust me she's pretty easy, she'll never cheat (because she can't) and she's also not actively trying to search for the chaddest chad. She probably sucks a mean dick and cooks like a wizard (just watch out for the diabetes). If you want a model you need to earn it.

[–]lildozer74-5 points-4 points  (0 children) | Copy

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