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Tried being a wingman for BP friend, got thrown under the bus

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We weren't very close. Not friends, but not acquaintances either. He'd invite from time to time to his dance clubs and introduced me to his friend circle. At school, I noticed there was one cute girl in my social circle who was CRUSHING on this guy. At a houseparty of his she'd grind on him all night long. At the club she'd follow him everywhere. Same at school. Always hanging out around him.

I learned from a friend of mine that this dude would often lament about how he's never had a girlfriend (kissless virgin). He'd been shown interest several times in the past from various other girls, but he would just ignore them saying he was "not interested", only to end up regretting it later. I felt a certain pity for him, so I thought I could try to hook him up with this girl. She was giving him some very strong IOIs and this chump just couldn't see them. I had to act.

So I decide to message him one day about it and tell him that I've noticed that she liked him. He said "I know, we have a date set up on Friday". He said he liked her too. Out of curiosity, I've asked him if in the past two months he's made any move on her. NONE AT ALL. So I'm frank with him - I tell him to be smooth about it, but to get a k-close on this date. Guess what he does next..

He SCREENSHOTS the convo, sends it to the girl's best friend (who happens to be the most avid gossiper for miles), who ends up sending it to the girl in question and everybody in both her and my friend circles. Lots and lots of drama ensue about how I'm "objectifying women". I wouldn't normally mind but she was a latchkey to a lot of new girl friends. Now she's legit pissed at me to the extent that if I say a "hi" or try and start small-talk she ignores me.

I confronted this guy in a calm way, told him that what he did was not respectful and that he should learn about the concept of discretion. I told him not to do that again and wtf did he do? Stared in his phone screen the whole time and was like "uh-huh, yeah, sure, ok man". Told him the rest is up to him and if he fucked up, I wouldn't help him.

See, I tried to help a drowning man and ended up getting pulled down under. He's probably going to screw things up then start crying again about how he's a kissless virgin. The lesson here, gents: you can lead a horse to water, but you can't force it to drink. If you do you get a kick in the nuts.

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Title Tried being a wingman for BP friend, got thrown under the bus
Author TheDarkRanger
Upvotes 677
Comments 216
Date 09 February 2018 11:46 AM UTC (2 years ago)
Subreddit TheRedPill
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/48649
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/7wcwj4/tried_being_a_wingman_for_bp_friend_got_thrown/
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[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt[M] [score hidden] stickied comment (0 children) | Copy

You fucked up by trying to help a loser who doesn't want to be helped, and he fucked up by trying to virtue signal and gave away his intent as well, so now all the women in that social circle's pussy's just dried up towards him. To him all I can say is "Good job, moron!"

Let this be a lesson to all why you don't offer advice to those who aren't ready for it.

Notice I didn't say who asked for it. There's a gargantuan difference. I've been teaching self-help with a helping of pickup added to it for years and I'd say most of the guys who attend don't really want to be helped. They think they do, but they really aren't interested in making the changes necessary to improve. And these are guys who actively seek out help.

Point being, even if this acquaintance of the OPs had asked for help, odds are he still wouldn't have benefited and quite possibly could have still thrown him under the bus.

My advice to the OP, hold frame. You're going to get shit tested through the roof. Hold frame. Reference the thread on the sidebar on handling shit tests, but HOLD FRAME.

[–]TallDarkandBot737 points738 points  (5 children) | Copy

You gave advice to someone who didn't ask, who you admitted is not even a friend of yours. Your ego got you in trouble mate.

[–]SlappaDaBayssMon121 points122 points  (4 children) | Copy

Ain't that a bitch, though? No good deed goes unpunished.

[–]IisDirty26 points27 points  (1 child) | Copy

Lol he's just tryin to get cozy for self serving reasons

[–][deleted] 46 points47 points  (0 children) | Copy

Lesson number one not just for the Redpill but in all areas of life.


Look at how Jesus ended up, they threw his ass under the bus too with no regrets

Lesson in there.

[–]ThrowawayAccountOhYe-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

Was that a Wicked reference?

[–]Da_llluminati857 points858 points  (26 children) | Copy

you should have just plated his oneitis TBH

[–]OracleofFl291 points292 points  (10 children) | Copy

This would have been the most helpful thing the OP could do for this dude. In fact, the OP should make a move on the HB and just tell her "all I was saying to Mr BP is that I would definitely try to kiss you if I were on a date with you". That will get her hamster wheel spinning.

[–]Grimsterr63 points64 points  (6 children) | Copy

OP's already sank that boat, sounds like he showed major butt hurt, and lost his composure enough that her giny will dry up around him much like it will after a few dates with the chump she's about to date.

[–]bestCallEver26 points27 points  (5 children) | Copy

Where in this post does it say that op lost his composure, or approached the girl in any way?

[–]Grimsterr51 points52 points  (4 children) | Copy

It's pretty obvious, hell his post is full of butt hurt puke.

Now she's legit pissed at me to the extent that if I say a "hi" or try and start small-talk she ignores me.

He cares way way too much about what people think and he's trying way too hard.

[–]U_Lika_Da_Tomato23 points24 points  (0 children) | Copy

You're reading way too much into that.

Dude said she was a latchkey so it's perfectly reasonable to try to maintain some type of contact. If he continued to try after getting a cold response then I could see the butt hurt, but he doesn't say anything about a follow up effort.

Also, he mentions she's part of his social circle, so yeah, I would say there is reason to try to be cordial, at first. Diplomacy is always a better first tactic than straight up 'Salting the Earth'.

[–]TheDarkRanger[S] 23 points24 points  (1 child) | Copy

I wouldn't say I was butthurt about it... Just continued acting like all was normal, didn't apologise to anybody or act upset about it.

[–]OMGtothemoon51 points52 points  (1 child) | Copy

Should bust a nut on her face and take a pic to send to Blue Boy

[–]Devastating26 points27 points  (0 children) | Copy

Sometimes we have to lead by example.

[–][deleted] 66 points67 points  (1 child) | Copy

exactly and his fuck wit friend would be just the type to lose his shit over it as if he owned her.

[–]BadNerfAgent6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

I don't see the benefit for either of them.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

This would've done more good for the guy than OP trying to help him.

[–]eccentricrealist5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

It would be a good call to action but don't forget the dangerous beta

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

Who says OP's smv is high enough to just plate any girl he wants?

[–]ThrowFader1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

deleted What is this?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

This. You can talk to her, laugh about and play down the text, say you noticed her interest in him and were just trying to help both of them, then change the subject, escalate, k-close ("You need to be kissed well. Since he is too much of a pussy to realize this, the least I can do is help..."), maybe f-close.

If she was grinding on his friend at a club she is obviously a horny little minx like all women are for the right guy. After what he did I would bang the shit out of her and teach him a lesson.

[–]osirise3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Do this for funsies. If the logistics are there. Lol

[–]fromthecrypt80 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Agreed. Plating his oneitis would be the best introduction to trp. The bp guy would ever crumble or become red pilled.

[–]MagickalOne0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Plate her and then when she is sending texts to him about she enjoyed his dick he could send a screenshot of that to the dude

[–]Mr-Ed209499 points500 points  (21 children) | Copy

The fucked up thing is this guy sent her the screenshot in the hope of 'scoring some points' in his own virtue signalling 'i'm not like other guys, i respect women' way. The ultimate irony is his actions are going to lead him to continue to be a kissless virgin and if he just had followed your advice he would have a wet dick by now.

[–]B_Campbell190 points191 points  (9 children) | Copy

This is the part that annoys me the most. The guy is such a pussy he can’t look cool on his own with out putting someone else down. It reeks of loser.

[–]pocket_rocketsin-73 points74 points  (3 children) | Copy

Those people that have to put others down are usually the biggest pussies, piece of shit losers you will come across, usually low self esteem guys. Stay well away

[–]occupythekitchen33 points34 points  (0 children) | Copy

He looked down on his phone because he isn't even man enough to tell him. Hey I think what you said was wrong and had to vent. Yeah he is still a dick but he'd defend his view like a man. Instead he pretends he isn't interested hoping the other guy goes away

[–]2Stoned0Jaguar9deux9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

They will often have no remorse of using others either. I knew one, dude was a backstabber.

[–]RasputinGame1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I noticed a long time ago that those that shit on others constantly eat shit from others with a smile.

The Human Centipede is the parable of our times.

[–][deleted] 37 points38 points  (4 children) | Copy

Just want to chime in here, the other lesson is don't text self harming stuff. You lost the key to a social circle (probably meaningless long term). If you had the conversation in person and said just kiss her could have played a whole different angle in the story.

[–]wrekd 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Or just said kiss her in the text. If OP actually said K-close, then he is an asshole and deserves what he got. Kiss is four letters. No fucking reason whatsoever to say K-close in this sub. EVER.

[–]B_Campbell5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

I know. The lesson is don’t put your self in that situation but you’d think you could trust a friend. The white knighting at your buddy’s expense kills me. That’s enough to end a friendship.

[–]acetylcysteine12 points13 points  (4 children) | Copy

im interested to know where/how he learnt this to be an effective measure in winning women over. you'd think you'd change your technique after so much failure eventually.

[–]_the_shape_8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

you'd think you'd change your technique after so much failure eventually.

Unless you're convinced all of these women just don't "get it" ("I'm trying to save them from the Chads of the World, goddamn it!!! and hopefully this leads to my dick getting wet"), but that it's a matter of continuing to fight "the good fight" (i.e. doing the same retarded shit over and over and over) until you get through to at least one.

[–]Drumcode-Equals-Life5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

Some people truly never learn from their mistakes, they just make the same ones over and over. I had some girl on the rebound that I was fucking basically brag about it to me.

Suffice it to say I saw the red flags and just laughed when I found out she was back with her loser ex boyfriend, taking advantage of his money and house because she was living with her grandfather before he took her back in desperation.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I recently had a similar situation, worse actually, she cheated on him with me. Then told me what a loser and piece of shit he was constantly. We managed to meet up and fuck 3-5 nights a week even though they lived together, this went on for a few months. She treated him like shit and eventually dumped him. Then I broke things off with her and now she's back with him because he's paying her rent on a big house that fits all her kids. She's busy pretending to be happy and probably looking for more random dick.

[–]imabadasstrustme6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

They don't want a wet dick. They want girls to tell them that they're "enough".

A lot of beta blue pill guys are surrounded by girls yet can't get any. It's because they love the validation it gives them so they constantly appease the girls so that they are tolerated. Instead of being a man and risking rejection, they basically castrate themselves and suppress their sexuality so that they can fill their ego.

It's like they're in a lake but dying of thirst.

[–]NorthEasternNomad2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Bam! Nailed it!

This is EXACTLY how this is going to play out. The BP dude is basically a moron.

[–]MisterRoid1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah. This "friend" is an absolutely disgusting person, and will stab OP in the back again if given the chance.

[–]AllahHatesFags0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Virtue signaling does nothing to arouse women and in fact does the opposite.

[–]Hltchens0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

OP we need updates on this one. This could be a case study in BP ideology.

[–]Endorsed Contributorsadomasochrist49 points50 points  (2 children) | Copy

Nothing to do here but laugh. It's hard for most of us to even identify with that guy in our worst days.

[–]ShadyMahFuggah21 points22 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yeah. This is the kind of shit where being beta alone doesn't explain it. You need to be a special kind of shitty to pull this off for no other reason than a misguided attempt at getting pussy-points.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Even if you're a fucking beta you don't betray people's trust like that. Fuck people who take screenshots of convos and send it to other people trying to score some brownie points.

[–]Beanx94102 points103 points  (5 children) | Copy

Next time dont be the wingman and let him drown alone

[–][deleted] 56 points57 points  (4 children) | Copy

Yeah most people need the extra water to swallow a pill

[–]AlexCarlin12 points13 points  (3 children) | Copy

Clever but fuck you for your username

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Control panel -- uninstall a program -- league of legends -- change or uninstall -- yes

[–]dumnem-2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy

Do you hate Rammus or just league in general?

[–]AlexCarlin-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

Just Rammus. I just really suck against him.

[–]IS_SUBTLY_IRRELEVANT270 points271 points  (13 children) | Copy

You went wrong when you started acting in this other dude's interest. Wtf do you care about his incel life... lesson learned and mind your own business from now on.

[–]purduered93 points94 points  (10 children) | Copy

I mean everything about OPs actions are based upon assumptions of what the dude wants. Never did his friend ask for advice or help. Don’t save him, he don’t wanna be saved. For all OP knows, guy is gay and just on the DL. Seen it plenty of times.

[–]NorthEasternNomad14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy

Was just going to say: I wonder if the "BP" guy is actually gay. He may well be.

But yeah, dont try and rescue others. I have learned the hard way that trying to rescue a metaphorically drowning person, usually just gets you caught in the undertow along with them...since it was usually their own actions that created the undertow to begin with.

[–]megamanxtc36 points37 points  (2 children) | Copy

guy is gay and just on the DL

Exactly. This isn't oneitis, this is afraid to come out of the closet

[–]Grimsterr18 points19 points  (1 child) | Copy

His love of stirring up drama definitely has a vibe to it.

[–]juliusstreicher11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

Plus, hot chick was GRINDING on him constantly. he's either a major retard or homo.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

He said that the guy was lamenting the fact that he was a kissless virgin. Most closeted gay guys would make up stories about fucking girls to seem less gay.

He heard the guy complaining so he tried to help him. Got thrown under the bus for it though so I guess it's a cautionary tale.

[–]purduered1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Everything he heard was hearsay. Was not directly communicated from friend.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

You're right I missed that. Still a dick move either way but I agree if a guy doesn't ask for help then you shouldn't extend any.

[–]purduered2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

I definitely agree it was a dick move but the way OP explains it I get a different vibe of the way he’s interpreting it. The way his friend reacted nonchalantly when he was confronted makes me think he has little respect for him and is just nodding in agreement because he doesn’t care. We all have that friend or acquaintance that is always giving us advice and we just shake our head and say yeah so that they will stop talking. I’m assuming the dude sent the chick the message because they were making fun of OP and it had nothing to do with his interests to score. Who knows though. So much context is body language and things that can never be properly narrated to the sub. You only get a summary of the whole story.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Very true. And we're only hearing it from the POV of OP so of course it's going to be skewed to make him look better even subconsciously.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I remember Steven pinker talking about homosexuality. Roughly 30-40% of it can be explained by genetics. The other aspects are testosterone exposure in the womb.

But interestingly enough the Evo Pysch community has noticed that when males are starved of female sexual options they go gay. Like at sea or in prison.

I’ve seen two guys go gay whose social skills were borderline retarded. They tried with women, couldn’t read their cues as women and went for dudes because communication was more direct. They were both soy boys who watched a tonne of porn.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

This. Unless he asked for help directly don't but in.

[–]shaggyctes881 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

The thruth is...nobody can save no one.

[–]Celicni61 points62 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yo, I'll add this:

You said he wasn't a friend, but not an acquaintance either. Doesn't matter if it's your BEST FRIEND IN THE FUCKING WORLD. DO NOT FUCKING TALK ABOUT TRP. I tried to talk to a guy in a similar situation. I got a lot of "women aren't really like that" "you're crazy" and stuff. Fuck it.

That's not to say you shouldn't help people out. But do it subtly. Can't give em the entire red pill to swallow immediately. Do it in small and simple dosages. Don't make it sound like you're focing them into anything. Make them think it was their own idea.

The ones that react in a good way, and that you deem worthy, you can help out a bit more. Another dude in the same situation was very reactive to a few "dosages" of the pill, saying shit like "wow it's like you're studying relationships professionally, all this makes sense". Those are the ones that should be...led to the water...so to say.

[–]Minhoquento31 points32 points  (0 children) | Copy

If you're going to talk about controversial things like TRP it must be done carefully, mentioned studies, good logical arguments, and the socratic method.

Going to someone and claiming "women are children" out of the blue will get you nowhere in a argument.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor60 points61 points  (3 children) | Copy

"objectifying women".

Please tell me you didn't put any air under these wings.

A primer:

"You objectify women" -- "I don't know what that means, but I definitely like women." (Emphasis on the word like to imply it has more meaning)

"You just want women for sex" -- "I'm shooting for 'women just want me for sex', actually."

"You should be ashamed of yourself." -- "We should go somewhere and give ourselves a reason to be ashamed." (Smile)

"You're an asshole!" -- "Thanks! If you haven't changed my contact to that, I can do its for you." (Put your hand out for her phone... the possibilities are endless here.)

The jist: 1) Never apologize. 2) In fact, celebrate being a horny male that desires women. 3) Always include them in the equation. Don't act like women are over there doing women things; this is a woman right before you accusing you, so she should be party to your perversions.

[–]redpill770 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Wow. Those last two points are somewhat novel, though definitely not beginner-level. "Celebrate being a horny male that desires women" is a really great way to hold frame amid accusations. I wish I'd had the confidence to do that when I was under fire myself. Though, it seems that if you're a sexually active male, it's bound to recur.

[–][deleted] 25 points26 points  (7 children) | Copy

Avoid the unlucky

[–]MarkJohnPaul17 points18 points  (2 children) | Copy


Let me elaborate on this though because although I would hope the sidebar and other supplementary material is engrained in everyone's head, maybe some can't tie the reference.

Law 10 - Infection: Avoid the Unhappy and Unlucky You can die from someone else's misery - emotional states are as infectious as disease. You may feel you are helping the drowning man but you are only precipitating your own disaster. The unfortunate sometimes draw misfortune on themselves; they will also draw it onto you. Associate with the happy and fortunate instead.

[–]PhaedrusHunt6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

Man I tried that crap with my ex. I tried giving her some light instead she just made me dark. I had banged my fair share of women but it was only after dating a proud slut that I became a real man whore

[–]DanAffid4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy

Best advice EVER. I tend to hire from time to time people down on their luck that "weren't appreciated" before. All of them were self concentrated bastards I had to fire. In my field, after a certain age, if you're poor it's because you're either stupid or lazy

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

thats the thing, i'm grateful for my friends to support me when my luck has been completely shite, i know i'm not 100% there yet but making steps to eliminate the shitty behaviour aint a easy road. fair play to you for helping out those who were down in the luck (although clearly in this case and many other cases it will never work!)

recently i've been using rule 4 to great success. people respect you more when you have the necessary shit in your talk!

[–]blockchan1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I throw 50% of CVs straight to the trash. We don't want the unlucky ones.

[–]2comment81 points82 points  (9 children) | Copy

Stared in his phone screen the whole time and was like "uh-huh, yeah, sure, ok man".

Ah, the new shield of the ballless passive-aggressive. You musta been sorely tempted to punch his face in, I know I would have been.

[–]ZigzagLumen38 points39 points  (0 children) | Copy

Just reading it kinda wound me up

[–]2Stoned0Jaguar9deux4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

These are the guys i want to physically assault, though i know the ways laws work, i would get fucked.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

The underlying threat of physical violence doesn't occur to blue boys like the guy in OP's story

[–]wes127467 points68 points  (0 children) | Copy

Sounds like he is trapped in the closet

[–]YasserZe51 points52 points  (5 children) | Copy

That's what betas do , at the first whiff of pussy they'll throw you and everyone they know under the bus , to get dat pussy ( and they will fail )

[–]SlappaDaBayssMon12 points13 points  (4 children) | Copy

So, I fucked up recently. I work in a restaurant as a bartender. We got this really hot new waitress a few months back. I know the rules, but we got off around the same time one night, went out, you can assume the rest.

Well word got out, and now almost every other dude in the building, especially the low SMV guys have been allllll up my asshole out of jealousy. Constantly trying to get one over on me, or make my look bad, especially when this chick is around.

Maybe I make a post about this later

[–]Kaz__Kaan0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

I'm still waiting to see this post man lol. It sounds like a good one

[–]SlappaDaBayssMon 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Well damn, maybe I write it up then.

[–]Kaz__Kaan0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Seems like it'll be a good story and a good blue pill example

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (2 children) | Copy

Moral of the story, unless he is your close friend just mind your own business.

[–]defcon_zero 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

I gotta ask: When you tried making your profile, were there already four SpicyMcHaggises?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Nope. Just was a big Brett Favre fan growing up so 4 is my go to number.

[–]CasperTFG_80830 points31 points  (0 children) | Copy

I tried to help a drowning man and ended up getting pulled down under.

Crabs in a bucket. From his BP perspective he sees you as his opponent to the dating game. If only Chad's like you didn't exist girls would realize the benefits of his White Knighthood.

[–]1kick620 points21 points  (3 children) | Copy

He ran "I'm not that kind of guy" beta game with you as the example. You should have seen this coming. That being said, where you actually failed is letting these girls shitty, fake, attitudes get to you. They're just running "I'm not that kind of girl" game on you, but they would have fucked...if you hadn't unleashed the butthurt.

[–]Endorsed Contributorsadomasochrist3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Bingo. Ideal AA situation.

[–]Cant_Tell_Me_Nothin-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

How can you even see this coming? Maybe I because I've never really befriended beta-to-the-max guys like these that I would only expect this from a girl or from a homo friend of the girl.

[–]1kick60 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Betas all have tells early on. Once they tell, you should expect the entire handbook of beta behaviors from them.

[–]IronJohnKwando32 points33 points  (0 children) | Copy

what a loser. You sound like a good dude. Glad this guy will be out of your life

[–]Cant_Tell_Me_Nothin14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy

Even after knowing what he did, you seemed a little too conciliatory with him like you wanted give him a second chance. Fuck this guy. Call him a bitch to his face and then cut him off. As far a the girls, the best way to deal with it is to own it and to have "yea I said it so what" attitude. Honestly, something tells me that if you had more value within your group and girls saw you as more Alpha, they would have let you get away with it. If you establish yourself as sort of a mischievous playboy, no one is surprised when you do or say things that a little inappropriate. Girls will always make exceptions for these type of guys, and these type of guys will simply handle that kind of response from girls as sort of a shit test.

[–]FuriousMouse14 points15 points  (1 child) | Copy

A "wingman" plays a supporting role in a two man mission.

You just threw a lifesaver to a drowning monkey and he didn't understand what to do with it so he dragged you in and under the water.

[–]Koryphae_4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

As always, never offer help unless you are asked.

[–]2000inchbiceps6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Don't wingman for people who never asked wtf.

[–]ScrewChaseBank4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

This guy made you look like a bitch. Instead of worrying about getting his cock wet, how about you worry about how little respect he had for you, and how he so easily put you on fucking blast socially and ruined your social value in that circle. He didn’t even give a enough of a shit to look up from his phone when you confronted him.

Be a fucking man, and don’t take shit like this ever again from anyone. There’s your lesson.

[–]DntPnicIGotThis4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Naw brother, This problem is on you because you was trying to intervene in another relationship (or lack there of). Mind your own plates and keep lifting.

[–]Stonaman5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Literally, none of it will matter in four years man.

[–]WWladCZ8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Let BPs struggle if they have the brain for it eventually they will redpill themselves. Most guys are hypercompetetive assholes and this guy probably hated you in the first place. You would be surprised how trivial things can trigger virgins. Then this percieved "injustice" will grow into hate and if you give him a chance he will fuck you over so he gets the satisfaction of taking revenge. It's hillarious how your effort to help him was instantly weaponized against you.

[–]binarynightmare8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

story goes to show how fucked most young men are in sexual strategy. Just think of the social conditioning and gender dynamic lies he must have been fed to think that the logical next move to 'win this girl over' was to pull this shit.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon7 points8 points  (3 children) | Copy

old him that what he did was not respectful and that he should learn about the concept of discretion.

Pointless. He's a whiteknight / betrayer, and this is not going to change. HE WILL NOT LEARN. He's just wired that way. Talking about it is pointless.

See, I tried to help a drowning man and ended up getting pulled down under.

Lesson learned I hope.

When you help someone, ESPECIALLY with TRP stuff, you are then hugely vulnerable to them doing this sort of thing to you.

Only help the worthy, and don't ever be vulnerable.

[–]kogsworth2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

I understand the feeling of being betrayed by him, but should you be disturbed by his sharing of the screenshot? Do you feel like you should be hiding this conversation?

[–]MisterRoid1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Agreed. If anything this makes OP look like more of a man (so long as he didn't act in an apologetic way).

[–]RedFellow212 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Never throw your pearls to swine...

[–]bringer_of_glory3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Do yourself a favor and never hang up with this guy again. Just stop having contact with him

[–]AllahHatesFags2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

This story reminds of the line in the first Matrix movie where Morpheus puts Neo through the agent training program: "If you are not one us, you are one of them." Every one of these BP males we haven't unplugged is potentially an agent of feminism.

[–]juliusstreicher2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

OP, you sound like you have a major screw loose.

You get some POS that throws you under the bus like this, you don't go have a 'bro talk' with him. You either kick his ass or ignore him.

I'm sensing a subtext here, is it that you're trying to get into his inner circle, somehow? Do you want his club connections? A job at the club? He's not a friend nor acquaintance...what exactly are/were you trying to do?

When you go to him, and he shits on you again, you should have walked away immediately. Instead, you tell him that if he fucks up, you won't help him. Meaning, that you are dying to help him. Listen, you don't need friends that badly, especially him as a friend.

WTF are you up to, anyway? Something is way, way wrong.

[–]Fedor_Gavnyukov2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

exactly. I'm sensing an incomplete story here as well

[–]enkae73172 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

White knights. Never try and redpill them. They'll throw you under the bus with no discretion for sake of getting pussy.

A popular PUA (will not be named) actually ranted one day how he got into pickup because of white knights fucking him at every corner. These people are beta scum and will do everything and anything to cock block you. He probably thinks she'll sleep with him now that he showed her the convo.

I personally have one thing I do with people like this: ignore them and never see/talk to them again. Cut them out of your life. It isn't worth it.

If you're psychotic enough you can actually utilize him. But that's a different story.

[–]radixaf6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

Can you screenshot the messages you sent him? I’m curious

[–]Cissnowflake6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy

Consider this may not be all bad. I have a friend who a woman once told me that all the women where we live “hate.”

Yet he gets more tail, from these women who hate him, than anyone I know.

Being known as an asshole who likes sex is not necessarily a bad thing.

[–]Cant_Tell_Me_Nothin1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Thats only if OP is able to embrace it with amused mastery, although it seems like he is the one to get defensive about it and might try to atone for his behavior

[–]Cissnowflake0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That would be disastrous

[–]Gwoas10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

You tried to help a crab get out of the bucket, but ended out in the bucket yourself.

Still, I'm amazed how hopeless he is. Best thing you can do for him is hope that he'll figure it out the hard way. You learnt your lesson. Stay far from the crab bucket.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy

what was his motivation for sending the screen shots?

[–]Cant_Tell_Me_Nothin8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Its what girls do. Overshare and gossip. This guy has so much soy in him that he behaves like a girl and bonds with women through gossip.

[–]sharp714 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy

Probably something like, "If I do this I will prove Im a nice good guy and get female attention and be a hero :D"

[–]dowild0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Virtue signaling

[–]Matthewbim110 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

White Knight

[–]Solipsistic_guy5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

Please give us an update on how it ends for him ha

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy

Most of my group of friends are BP and I can confirm they will fuck up your social life out of sheer repugnance or jealousy. It is so ingrained that it lashes out viciously. If you ever wonder why or want to know the measure, notice their investment in their own BP behaviour. The magic happens when feminism can automate and spread their ideas.

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[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Could be. BP guys stew. That's what they do.

[–]cmacpapi0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I'm new to TRP, what's BP? any other initialisms or abbreviations I should know about?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The sidebar will give you a lot of info about this sub.

[–]2CHAD_J_THUNDERCOCK4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Your crime was actually attempting to convert a beta into an alpha. People are VERY resistant to status change of others in dominance hierarchies. If you / someone tries to rise then other people will team up to push them back down. This is because in cavemen times less than half of men reproduced and bottom 25% were sent off to die, so humans are EXTREMELY resistant to status change.

w.r.t. kissing without permission: You just have to own what you've done. Don't apologise, don't even say "mistakes were made" as they weren't. Your frame is "If telling a guy to go for a kiss on a first date is old fashioned then you can call me Fred Flintstone" and leave it at that. Your identity is "that asshole that doesnt ask for permission and just goes for it on a first date". Like, "oh no!" lol.

But the part of this that will damage you is the "trying to make a beta into an alpha" bit. This is very dangerous and can get you ostracised as its just too chaotic and crazy for most people in most status and dominance hierarchies. Subtly tell people indirectly that you wont try to status boost a beta again.

So your next steps are to tell people "I wont be telling people like X to kiss without asking, but I just cant see myself asking permission to kiss so just warn your girl friends in advance that that wont be changing."

[–]HappyBoostMan2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Dont help drowning people, you might drown as well.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Why do you even have a BP friend?

[–]Cant_Tell_Me_Nothin2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

They must share some similarities

[–]ShadyMahFuggah5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Lesson learned: When you get between white knight betas and their adoration of the monolithic image of the pure, chaste woman, you lose. You got in the way of this girl's beta orbiter validation and payed for it. Funny, cause he dug his own grave, too. She won't kiss him (or fuck him) because he essentially said he would never do that by ridiculing the suggestion. Anyone should be stoked to have a friend who would want to help them out that way, your not-friend-dude just sucks. This is the way betas assert dominance, they use the tactics of shitty females (i.e. publicly shaming you and disregarding you). Don't ask for his (or anybody's) respect. Have a better life without people like that and maybe they get bitter, maybe you never see them again. Point is that you don't need that crap.

[–]TheRealJesusChristus4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Its going to be annoying for some time but in the end people forget this. And once they forgot just date her youself (he is going to fuck up lol). And show him what you are capable of. Maybe keep her as sidechick, so she is „occupied“ with you (you dont have to be occupied with her though) so he sees what a loser he is.

[–]aBetterNation2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

None of the girls in my circle ever say things like objectify women.

Instead they're like, i have a date let me shave my legs.


[–]smokecheck19762 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Rule number 1. Don't put anything like that into media format. Individual women may understand that, but always remember that the mob wants what the loudest members of it want, and with women that is almost always a cohort of man-hating feminists. Your now ex-friend was a low rent asshole for doing that, but the opening shouldn't have been there.

It can be the most innocent thing imaginable. Your advice was to just be cool and try to close with a kiss on a first date. I honestly can't come up with a thing that is wrong with that, if that is all you sent.

Rule 2. Demand respect. Confronting may have not been a worthwhile activity, however you should have demanded that he put the phone down and talk to you, and if he didn't walk away and never help him with anything again.

Rule 3. Own whatever is in the text. If they bring it up tell them not only did you send him the advice, you meant every word of it. It derails the hate train when you show that you aren't playing a game where you care about their approval and feel the need to prostrate yourself before them.

Lastly, though not a rule, most women tend to have social circles that are larger than most guys, though most women also tend to have a smaller inner circle than most guys. Don't worry about one point of access to a social sphere, there are always others, and these days, no one will remember what you said last week.

[–]MarcosDomingues4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Never give unsolicited advice... do you even sidebar bro

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Be leery of the drowning. They will gladly drag you down.

[–]Merwebb1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Learn your lesson. You are a not better because you see different.

[–]endlesstrials1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You are the BP one, OP. He got the girl, and you decided to be his beta orbiter.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You should hang out with better men. You deserve everything you got here pal.

[–]red_matrix[🍰] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Man this beta guy fucked up by screen-shorting and sharing with the girls. If this girl was into this beta guy, she just dried up because what OP wrote is exactly what she wanted, a k close or more. She knows he's just virtue signaling, consciously or not, and now she won't be able to respect him.

OP should dread and bang this chick.

[–]VikkBlack1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Others were right, you should not have helped, but really, what a fucking cuck that guy is, thats a whole new level of bluepill.

[–]n8thegr8t11 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

this is why i have given up over trying to 'help' beta males... most of the time, they cannot handle these concepts.

and the big thing i have noticed, is that many beta males are 'hurt' inside in some way, some major insecurity and neediness, somethings you just dont want to touch because it hurts them or stabs that wound, not worth it ... this RP shit takes a lot of self-work, self improvement is the focal point of all game, and it's there are NO shortcuts.

better to show through demonstration, not words and advice..never reveal your true intentions to them, betas are the worst.

remember the 48 laws of power, these 2 are key when it comes to dealing with betas:

LAW 38 THINK AS YOU LIKE BUT BEHAVE LIKE OTHERS JUDGMENT If you make a show of going against the times, flaunting your unconventional ideas and unorthodox ways, people will think that you only want attention and that you look down upon them. They will find a way to punish you for making them feel inferior. It is far safer to blend in and nurture the common touch. Share your originality only with tolerant friends and those who are sure to appreciate your uniqueness.


LAW 45 PREACH THE NEED FOR CHANGE, BUT NEVER REFORM TOO MUCH AT ONCE JUDGMENT Everyone understands the need for change in the abstract, but on the day-to-day level people are creatures of habit. Too much innovation is traumatic, and will lead to revolt. If you are new to a position of power, or an outsider trying to build a power base, make a show of respecting the old way of doing things. If change is necessary, make it feel like a gentle improvement on the past.

god damn what a good fucking book

[–]1DubbleFUPAwitCheez1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Well now you know what kinda guy he is. I know a guy that will screen shot text convos and send em out. I saw that one time and I never send him anything important anymore, just logistics.

[–]Retiredmagician1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

That's shitty. I'm honestly more impressed you didn't knock his teeth out the next time you saw him, though of course that wouldn't have been the smart thing to do.

[–]IisDirty1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

He's a gatekeeping (thrower of parties, invites you to tag along) bluepilled bitch that you wanted to be buddies with. You know, for the perks.

You can take a horse to water but you can't make them drink Smarten up. You just made a bad call.

[–]PhaedrusHunt1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

tl;dr Redpill is for guys whose hardware (your innate masculine nature) won't run the bullshit BP software (feminism) that society pushes on us. Natural born über alphas don't need it. Natural born betas can't use it.

Only Wing man with other Alphas or redpilled dudes.

I was trying to coach a MGTOW type buddy. He couldn't handle it and eventually stopped replying to my messages. Basically me texting him everyday tell him to get off his fat ass and do some push-ups.

He just wasn't ready and probably never will be.

I found this stuff on my own. Basically I already had an alpha nature but was dating a chick that was also alpha. I Googled something with search terms along the lines of "can a relationship between an alpha male and an alpha female work."

I had already fucked a couple other chicks at that point but from there forward just stepped it way up.

[–]DaftOdyssey1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

What's k-close? I know it's related to pickup, but can't fully remember.

[–]TheWaterTemple1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Don't help these unconscious men. More pussy for us

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This guy is truly lost.

The fact he screenshotted the conversation and sent it was the point that he ceased to be a man.

I no longer pity the dude, what a disgrace...

Leave him to be a kissless handholdlessvirgin.

And let him add on whatever idiocy he wants to "I'm a kissless handholdless hugless non sniffless virgin"

A lot of these guys aren't ready to get anything better and they don't even know what they want. As you said he has girls come onto him and he rejects them and regrets it later.

When someone feels under-appreciated and like a loser, they actually become oddly narcissistic. They feel sorry for themselves 100x more because they feel nobody feels sorry for them and they have weird cycles of behaviour. Believe me he is attached to the label of being "kissless hugless handholdless non-touched, 5 wank a day, piss bottle having, shitting in a cake tin virgin"

Normally as men we cannot see another man suffer and we have the "we are all going to make it" attitude, but this guy doesn't want to be helped.

Absolutely pathetic, leave him to his misery.

[–]psionicsickness1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Why do you give a fuck about her, or any friend's, opinion?

[–]RP0851 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I get a feeling he is a "defender of women" in his mind, with a bias in favor of them and against those evil men who dare to sexualize them, and if you are "one of those", he won't even talk to you.

He is also not man enough to confront directly. It sounds like he is insufferable (because I've had guys like that who treated me that way despite my—in my estimation—benevolent intentions), but in the end, he's probably not happy either. No man can truly be if he doesn't feel like a man. It's like your masculinity is trapped inside your balls and it can't come out, blocked by all those bluepill inhibitions and self-flagellating beliefs. But he'll have to learn from it, it'll be an important life lesson for him: Continue being miserable adhering to this mentality (out of ego), or open the mind to new ways of looking at things.

I wouldn't worry about it. Also, women who insist on berating men for "objectifying them" are also blocking their feminine energy and are not happy either. Women are miserable psychologically neutering males and ultimately not receiving their 'thrust'. Who cares what she thinks.

[–]maplemaximus1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Never aid others if there's no benefit for yourself.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I don't trust my family and friends to not stab me in the back. Someone less than a friend could very well have 12" blade behind his desk and a smile on his face. You should've banged that cute girl and let him wallow in his self-pity. Fuck that.

[–]qwertyuiop1112221 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

How old is he? How old are you? This just reeks of high school to me.

[–]Andgelyo1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

OP if I were you, I would destroy his oneitis’s vag and record it. Send it to him and say, “ hope this helps you man”.

[–]Bron-Dholbach1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think the saying goes do not give pearls to swine... my dark side tells me you sould beat him up and teach him a lesson, but probably you shouldn't. What he did was bullshit, spreading a private conversation is not what a men does. Do not lose your frame, it does not matter what this girls think of you in the least, just act as if nothing has happened and if someone confronts you about it brush it off.

[–]Buchloe1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

If the world was as it should be, the dude would get popped in the eye for looking at his phone and disregarding you, after already pulling some bitch shit like showing the chick your text

[–]poltergoose4201 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You and I both know he did it for nice guy points , which you and I both know he thinks will get him laid. He's gonna keep on respecting womaan until Chad shows up and cucks him . Then he's going to cry himself to sleep about " women only date assholes ". Normally those guys don't piss me off but the fact that he threw you under the bus to score brownie points does. What a cunt . Maybe if he had something going on in his bedroom, he wouldn't have to fuckin worry about what goes in yours.

[–]poltergoose4201 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You and I both know he did it for nice guy points , which you and I both know he thinks will get him laid. He's gonna keep on respecting womaan until Chad shows up and cucks him . Then he's going to cry himself to sleep about " women only date assholes ". Normally those guys don't piss me off but the fact that he threw you under the bus to score brownie points does. What a cunt . Maybe if he had something going on in his bedroom, he wouldn't have to fuckin worry about what goes in yours.

[–]Hussy681 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

to be honest in that situation i might've broken frame and knocked that fucker out. Ah well....

[–]Cozc2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Probably should have taken that phone out of his hand and made him listen

Not like it would make a difference from him, but I wouldn't be able to let go of the frustration of being dismissed by someone thumbing through their phone whilst I was trying to explain something

[–]BetterforReddit1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It sounds like he was being a pussy by not making any direct moves early on, but that he was eventually going to get with this girl. You on the other hand seem to have gotten eviscerated by the social circle that saw the text convo. This guy might've needed help with this girl to some extent, and the advice you gave him was sound, but this post sounds like you venting about your current situation with the friend group more than anything. Try and play your cards right to get back in their favor, but if that's at the cost of your manhood, say fuck em and move on.

[–]arleccio1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

So, someone tells you this guy you don't know well enough to call even an aquaintance is a kissless virgin so you try to set him up with a girl that obviously likes him. But he's blind to her advances yet when you tell him he answers he knows and has set up a date with her already.

That doesn't add up.

I also don't see why you complain about the chicks knowing you're objectifying them when you clearly objectify them.

This whole story sounds like you're the beta-loser trying to show off to an alpha who's nice enough to just ignore your BS advice.

[–]Nostalgia000 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'd love to see the message he actually sent.

[–]OpenCap[🍰] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Holy shit bruv. I would just fuck her out of spite now and spit on his face. Maybe not the last part.

[–]Ssobolibats1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm sensing a lot of missing info in this story and would be curious about the other guy's side.

[–]WiseMonkeyGoodMonkey0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Even with true friends imo never leave a paper trail. Even if he doesn't share who knows who will end up seeing his phone later. That being said this guy was a douchiot.

[–]ISaidThatOnPurpose0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

big deal dude, now you have a reputation for uh oh! LIKING WOMEN!

and..and..and wanting to kiss them? fUCK!

seriously though, this is a good thing if you keep you confidence through it all and be unapologetic about it.

[–]TunedtoPerfection0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah you fucked up, you tried to help a dude that didn't want it. Remember he "isn't like other guys" and doesn't "treat women like other guys do". So any advice you give him is going to be A) seen as wrong and B) as you saw, be used as a way to express to ALL the women you both know as a signal that he is "that right one" vs you "the bad man that isn't afraid of sex"

But you fucked up even more in that you really could have turned this whole thing into a way where ever woman in that group saw you as "that guy." Remember women are going to be PUBLICLY against that shit, in private if you play it right you will become the dude they secretly message when they want NSA sex.

Instead of confronting him and showing a response to the initial shaming from the women you should have played it off like nothing happened. Sure the chick is "mad" at you but all it takes is one quick aside in private, tell her you noticed she like the dude and you think it horrible for any two people with a connection like that to miss out. You just gave him the advice you wish you got when you were first starting out with women. Do this in a direct, non apologetic manner, and in a week she'll forget about it anyway. There is nothing wrong with exploring the potential for sexual attraction, you do this by going for a kiss. You were just trying to help love along that's all. I 'm normally not for 'explaining yourself" but in this case I think you need to just a bit and in a broad way. This would broadcast your attitude toward sex to the rest of the women. The goal her is to do it in a way that makes her run to her friend and tell them "oh he's not that bad, he's just a bit more forward that's all." If you have enough social proof in this group, then these women are dying for an excuse to be able to brush this off. they just need an excuse that won't result in the incel shooting them 50 million message about how your "wrong for them."

Doing that would have set you up as the guy that "just gets it" in that group of women. Honestly the chick is probably more mad that the dude she liked ended up being so fucking incel that he not only refused advice she wanted him to follow but he also signaled to every woman in that group that he would never even attempt to be that bold. Her value in that group got lowered as she was attracted to him in an obvious way, this event shows she is not good at picking out "Alphas". She is probably more mad at herself for being attracted to that guy, then you telling him to stop being a pussy and do what she has been dying for him to do for a few months now.

[–]tinydickbigballs0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'd be interested to see what he said when he attached the screenshot.

Had to be something along the lines of throwing his boy under the bus to gain white knight points.

[–]atlaskennedy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Pussydude gave you a gift - now her whole circle of friends knows you’re an alpha male, and they’ll all try to “change your ways”

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You must be like 15.. I can't imagine anyone above the age of 15 freaking out over a text where you encourage a friend to get the courage to court a girl.

First, tell his kid he's a piece of shit to his face make direct eye contact with him and get in his face about it. Don't get violent, but show you mean business. That was fucked up of him to disclose your privacy and break the fraternal trust you were building.

Give him a chance to apologize. The only reason I suggest this is you're both probably kind of young and mistakes like this happen with young guys. Sometime you bang a chick your friend was crushing on or you forget to text your buddy back about a party you were going to that night. C'est la vie.

But you need to demand respect from this kid. If you can't demand respect from him he will keep treating you like a doormat. If you can't handle this you need to burn the bridge because the friendship ain't gonna get any better and focus on inner game and developing relationships where you get respect and don't tolerate bullshit like this.

[–]VeganMcVeganface0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yup. I still don't miss high-school.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You've heard of Captain Save a Hoe? Well, don't be Captain Save a Dope.

If someone is just whining and has no interest in self-improvement, then fuck 'em. It's one thing if they say that they wanna get girls, so they started working out, but are not sure which exercises to do and how to change their diet. That man is simply lost, he wants to find the light, but needs help. On the other hand, if someone wants to get girls... but whines about women or life or society or the economy or some politician... fuck 'em.

[–]DSetupDTitleDMenu0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I like to believe that there's no such thing as a "lost cause," but this guy is one for sure. He's so obsessed with doing what he believes is the "right thing" that he's willing to use every tactic under the sun to achieve it, no matter how desperate and backwards those tactics may be. Feminism's got such an unfortunate hold of him that he's sacrificing himself and others so that everything can stay "peaceful" and "un-scary" in his own little world.

[–]gromitfromit0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

My life motto is, no good deed goes unpunished, thanks to shit like this. Fuck some people...

[–]sullenday0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I don't know how you didn't get physical with him when he was just staring into his phone when you confronted him. I just got angry reading it, enough to punch someone. He needs to get his ass kicked, but I understand that would only further your disrepute that you're currently trying to unfuck.

[–]OneInAZillion0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

When you sent that message to him, did you really use the term 'k-close' because if so, everyone's reaction to the situation is entirely reasonable, maybe even too lenient. You should be counting your lucky stars you aren't dead right now tbh.

Jokes aside, you should have fucked her instead.

[–]TheDarkRanger[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

No, just told him to kiss her already as he hadn't on his previous encounters with her.

[–]SlainFunicle0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

you should give it to him in parables

[–]Zech4riah0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The first thing you already learned here is quite obviously (don't give unsolicited advice to the dickless BPs).

2nd thing you should be thinking here is also valuable information. What this incident tells you about your frame? Well obviously it tells that your frame was somewhat weak because you got disrespected that harshly by your BP friend and additionally the girls are now disrespecting/ignoring you.

If some white knight in my social circle did the same (screenshotted and send my advice around to other people), not a single person in my social circle would care.

From now on your response and frame to this matter should be "I just told to him to grow some balls - deal with it".

[–]JerryLawlerPigFace0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You know his ONEitis secretly got wet when she saw your comments. Besides, this beta bitch is bound to turn her off and fast. You absolutely need to fuck this girl.

Think of her “bitchy behavior” of being mad at you now as shit test. The way of a superior man has a few excellent chapters on how to easily break past these bitchy modes

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

What is your excuse for not beating him up? No screenshots period.

[–]beginner_0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The complaining is just to hide the real reasons he is a virgin. Either he is still in the closet or has some serious shame issues with sexuality and therefore is actually terribly afraid of sex. I think he is fully aware of the IOIs but ignores them because of this and sabotages any change at getting anywhere close to sex. I mean sending that screenshot almost certainly damaged any change he had. That is why he also just stared in the phone. Because he knows exactly what kind of loser he is.

[–]Deep_freeze2020 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You're a better man than me because I'd have been very tempted to punch his ass.

[–]Sks440 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Allegory of the cave, dude. Some people would rather stay staring at the shadows. He’s been taught safety comes from approval and he’d rather have approval.

Don’t worry about him. Some people can’t be saved.

[–]dereko330 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Maybe hangout irl so when you talk to him, you can make eye contact, read each other's soul easier, convey your message, and, oh yeah, most importantly, HE CAN'T SCREENSHOT YOUR CONVO

[–]Drumcode-Equals-Life0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Crabs in a bucket man, most people will just try to drag everyone ahead of them down with them in a race to the bottom.

This guy sounds like a straight up loser though, explains why he’s never even kissed a woman.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Sounds like he's too far gone for someone else to help him. Just let him figure himself out or get drowned in the deep blue(pill) sea of his own making

[–]TheYanginyourYin0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Just goes to show this dude doesn't truly want a girlfriend or anything, he's content with the position he's put himself in whether or not his conscious mind knows it. Can't force someone out of their comfort zone unwillingly without that person reacting spontaneously being like "whoa hey guys look at what this guy's trying to make me do" to his peers who love drama and then you get polarized and kicked in the nuts.

That dudes ego is pitiful.

[–]NarcKammerjaeger0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Sounds like he will need professional help one day.

[–]ConnorGracie0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Hurt his ego by trying to give him advice, he countered pandering to the social circle. He out alphaed you in a way, killed you status and made himself look good. You can't ever speak truths about women, the whole system is built on that lie, people will defend the system even it destroys them which for most men it does.

[–]AlligatorNicoli0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I felt a certain pity for him, so I thought I could try to hook him up with this girl. She was giving him some very strong IOIs and this chump just couldn't see them. I had to act.

You had no business offering shitty, unsolicited advice to a guy you didn't consider a friend. The lesson you need to learn here is not to cast pearls before swine. You got tooled spectacularly because you made a bunch of ill-informed presuppositions. Own up to that and do better next time (by keeping your nonsense to yourself).

[–]retspih0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Your heart was in a good place, but unfortunately your advice wasn't well received and put you in a bad spot. That's life. I promise this will happen to you again.

Learn from your mistakes. Do I want to leave a paper trail? Should I make sure this person actually needs help? Will an in-person or over the phone discussion be more personable and well received?

Don't let this guy's disinterest and lack of respect dissuade you from helping others or doing what you think is best. It's unfortunate this came back to bite you, but this guy and girl you were looking to befriend seem like they weren't worthy of your time to begin with. You just got lucky to learn this lesson sooner than you would have otherwise. Congrats!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

honestly you sound cringe as fuck man

[–]RedSkeller-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Well I hope you learned your lesson, he obviously is a little bitch from his actions so cut him out

[–]YasserZe-5 points-4 points  (5 children) | Copy

If it was me l would have beaten the living shit out of him

[–]putin_vor4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

That's a blue pill response. You end up in prison, with a criminal record, and lots and lots of money wasted, especially if he sues for pain and suffering.

[–]gixxerthouguy1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Not sure this is red pill advice, but was my initial thought. Maybe I still have unresolved anger issues! :-)

[–]Cozc4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

physical confrontation is almost always the least desirable outcome these days. It isn't the 70s any more, you WILL end up with charges and a record for accidentally shoulder bumping someone. Take it from someone with a record, you REALLY dont want one.

Although I do find it intriguing how every time Ive gotten my ass kicked everyone gets off free and clear, but when I even hint at defending myself there are cops and lawsuits seemingly raining from the sky.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Do you usually make bad decisions?

[–]MisterRoid-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Your "friend" is a disgusting person and doesn't deserve any help. He clearly sent the screenshot in an effort to score points, at your expense. If he finds any dirt on you, you can rest assured he will use it against you.

[–]ohyeawellyousuck-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm interested in this story, because I have lots of conversations with buddies about RP theory. I like to discuss it, in some cases to help those who are struggling with the social interactions with women, others to discuss differing opinions of some of the RP concepts. I'm all for hearing different opinions, I don't agree everything you find on the RP sub reddit. Sure, you could say I'm still blue pilled as I refuse to accept some of the theories, but I would like to think there isn't a 100% fit for everyone. I relate it to fitness, being that while I love heavy lifting and ketogenic dieting, but I understand different options and believe there are other choices that could be a better fit for certain people. As with fitness, I think there are some universal concepts that everyone attempting to "swallow the red pill", and some things that I like to debate a little further. I'm not necessarily saying that some topics are wrong, which I can see why that would be argued I'm spitting up the red pill, but rather than there are certain foundational topics that can be inferred in different ways, and executed differently in application.

ANYWAYS, I think it is entirely fucked up that he screenshot your message. Regardless if RP vs BP or feminism or whatever, it doesn't matter. This is an absurd thing to do, and would frustrate me beyond belief if I sat down to explain my irritation and received 20% attention and a "write you off as whatever" type of response. Regardless of whether it's a red pill conversation that typically receives a significant amount of backlash when spoken to the general community.

It frustrates me when people do things like this that intentionally paint a negative picture to those I interact with. How you are perceived by people is important, and impressions matter, coming from a guy who works in sales. It's fucked up, really, that someone can use a text message, one that isn't even really that bad, in an attempt to put you on blast and deteriorate public perception of you.

Personally, I would have been very firm with this guy, making sure he knew that this kind of behavior doesn't fly at all.

I think it's probably smart to avoid doing things like this, which are really favors, because they have potential to be viewed negatively by those who haven't committed to red pill theories. Another option, if you want to continue to try and assist people, is to push off the opinion as a quote you heard. For example, you know I was reading about first dates, and it said it's important to go for X to highlight your intentions, as the women that were interviewed said they preferred a man that would make a move on the first date. Granted, this could still blow up in your face, so maybe keeping to yourself is the best option, but I like to try and help people and have used this to mostly remove the potential for getting ostracized in my community.

Just my thoughts!

Edit: I'm curious about the couple of downvotes. I'm not complaining or anything, I just would love to hear where the disagreement lies. I have a feeling it's in the first paragraph, but I could be wrong. Here's hoping.

[–][deleted] -4 points-3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Congrats, you got punished by a punisher.

[–]Mapleleaf_slt-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Look who literally cannot believe that other people might have higher standards for women than "she was all over him"

Because if literally any female treats a guy that way, the guy should be interested?

[–]Synacku-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

kick that motherfucker square in the balls (if he has any). I'd never talk to him again.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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