One of the first pieces of advice I heard about women. At first I thought bull shit girls have some self respect, You have to do some extra work sometimes.
But then over the years I keep looking back and realizing how this statement can’t be any more true.
If a girl wants you, she really won’t make it hard (no not talking about your baby dick). She won’t make the situation difficult. She’ll try to make the process as smooth as possible.
Obviously does not mean girls will hit on you, you’re still the man and have to take the lead. But if you do it correctly and have some balls girls that are into you will be relatively easy. Again obviously doesn’t count if you’re not at your best (physically and attitude). Girls smell that weak shit and run away.
I want to share this because I know there are some guys out there that will keep trying with the same girl. For weeks and weeks, some even wasting a ton of money and time with nothing in return. It’s just sad and disappointing to me. Or even countless pathetic attempts at a party or bar on that one chick, if you don’t feel it just go onto the next one.
After a recent conference i attended, I just felt the need to share. Had a friend Kevin go after this girl for 3 straight nights and end up with nothing but a kiss. Wasted all that time and effort for a fucking kiss. She gave him a little attention and got hooked. Don’t be like Kevin. Similar situation happened with myself. Every night we had a party/event in a large show room to destress or whatever.
First night one girl playing games and teasing me with pecks and nothing else after about 30 mins I get annoyed so I separate. Sit down at a table to look at other options. Hot group of girls sit down. Chit chat for 2 minutes, then as I’m looking for another drink. I speak my thoughts out loud unintentionally “oh shit I have beer in my room”. Was not even facing this girl or anything. She immediately says “oh you do? I’ll go with you”.
As soon as we get in my room she just sits down on the bed. Doesn’t even bother looking for beer or mention it. 5 mins of more bullshit chit chat and I’m inside her. The rest of the conference went just as easy, minimal effort.
Don’t stay on one girl, roam around, talk to everyone, have options. I know this gets preached a lot but remember, girls want to fuck too. They won’t make you jump through hoops if they want to fuck you. Every woman I have fucked has made it easy for me, the ones that I have wasted more money and time I’ve gotten nothing. If you don’t feel the vibes bounce to the next one. Way too many women in this world to waste time on shit.
Again I have to state this before I get attacked. If you don’t play your cards right you won’t get shit. If you don’t look good, you won’t get shit. If you act like a pussy, you won’t get shit. Some girls won’t be into you even if you’re at your best remember that too.
tell my buddy this all the time. wants to go on dates and spend hella money on shots and shit to try and fuck a chick. If she doesnt seem interested in the convo when im trying to talk to your group? next. doesnt bother to reschedule a missed date? next. Its very easy to tell who is just wasting your time, and filling their unoccupied time w/ a bit of amusement and desperation from you. Youre simply a self esteem booster to her. it's simple.
"Wanna come over?
"Hey sorry busy this weekend."
Next weekend.
"Going out, wanna meet up?"
"Not this weekend, sorry?"
number deleted before I blink twice
She just wants to have you around to keep validating her and giving her attention. Like you said if they want to meet up, they dont play nearly as many games as you think they do.
I made this mistake recently, and have done so in the past; matched on tinder, asked for number to move convo, gave me snapchat (mistake 1). Asked on snapchat to meet up, got a "maybe". Okay, cool, snapchat back and forth (mistake 2). This went on for a while (mistake 3!!!). She kept sending my frivolous shit, so I got tired of it.
You wanna chill or nah? "when" Tuesday "yeah Maybe" Nah, see you later delete
Shit is a serious waste of time. If anybody reading this thinks to themselves "shit, I'm in the middle of something similar" MOVE THE FUCK ON!
She got her snapchat full of Tinder-matches, she ask for your snapchat to just test if you are a normal cool dude or some desperate creep. Be funny, be cool, and after you have passed the test you guys can hang out.
I did this mistake as well in the beginning - got butthurt because some woman did not want to hang with me right now. Don't delete, just let her be one of many matches and maybe, if the mood is right, you guys can get to know each other better.
Sounds like a waste of time for everyone involved. Should also note I tried to initiative conversation and a meeting multiple times to no avail.
Girls are fickle. I tried to make some moves on a girl at work last summer - tried to get to hang out with her but it just dragged out to nothing. Then suddenly one night she responded right away on snapchat - fucked her, fucked her once more and then she ghosted. Turned out she had a boyfriend. If she added you on snapchat you are on some level attractive enough.
exactly. I do the same thing. This is as if Brad pritt ask her out. Do you really think that she will say?: Oh sorry, today I am busy. No fucking way, he is brad pitt. If she cannot hang out tomorrow, she will arrange a date for another day. The easiest thing to do is to move on and hit on other girl.
Lol for brad Pitt a lot of girls would cancel whatever they they were doing tomorrow for him. Remember the aziz story? She ditched her date to be with aziz lol
I had a first date with a chick I meet online. I picked the place, date and time. She agreed, and met me. Her pics were hot but she misrepresented herself, didn't look like the pic in person so I decided not to see her again. At the end of the date I told her I had a good time but didn't see any potential to continue dating. She got furious with me because - I shit you not...
She didn't even think to ask me to reschedule.
Women will make it easy for you if they're interested.
Goes to show you probably dodged a bullet anyway considering she would put a major event in her mother's life on hold to go on a date with some random dude she's never met before.
Don't hold women to a man's standard.
I ain't even gonna pretend I don't do the same thing to Chick's.
This is less female trickery and more of a display of abundance.
Same. I met this girl at a party. I was so Alfa she hit on me in front her boy freind who pretended to not notice. A couple months later I see her on my Facebook feed as a person I may know. Shes hot so I messege her...a little back and forth and I get the number. I text her and I get radio silence. 3 days later I ping. No response. Delete. It was probably my text game but who gives a shit. I'll try something different next time.
she didnt like you, just trying to make her bf jealous, power play on her part.
Not likely. IOIs all night. In my frame fascinated with every word I said. The drunker she got the more obvious it was. It was kinda embarrassing...My text game just sucks. I rarely can get a girl out through texting. I need to be one on one. I think I was too aggressively trying to pass her shit tests:
Me: what are you doing next saterday Her: laughing wanna join Me: Maybe. you laugh iz kinda annoying Her: well u be gay if u dont Me: only when i dress up like a lesbian then you can be gay with me Her: oh yeah Me: yes i make a sexy lesbian. Make u gay Her: oh yeah you doo Me: lets go break shit do wetf we want Radio silence.........
See? I suck. Any suggestions?
Too much into wierd shit right away. Just be straight up, "lol that's funny, let's get together for x", done.
In fact don't be texting, call her
I missed this.
Just relax more also+ say something like this instead:
lets meet up this weekend for drinks, I have some time xx day at yy time or zz day at ww time.
you dont suck. . youre just you. do it this way. and chill out more.
all that other stuff you said. . .I dont know whats happening. I dont think having long weird conversations on text is good anyway.
anyway if she says no to the date, I say cool, somewhat soft next her for a weekend or two, meet other women, and if I think about her again hit her up have some small chat like how was your weekend. invite her out again.
ill keep doing this till I forget about her. kinda fast nowadays
-you dont suck. .youre just you I like that.
She wasn't into you, get over it. If she was you could literally text her emojis and memes and she'd still go out with you.
When a girl is into you it's laughable how little effort is required of you to take it to the next level.
TL;DR: Women will be with who they want to be with. They’re either interested and it’s easy, or they’re not interested.
AKA that phenomenon almost all men know of where they can't seem to get the girl they like to do shit, and hang on every word she says and every word they craft to her.
Meanwhile they all have girls (subpar, but girls nonetheless) who are giving them IOI's and making shit super smooth around them and they get baffled. I know I'm always amazed by it.
Work with some girls I'm not interested in but they're surely interested in me, and it never ceases to amaze me how HARD it is to NOT game them. Like, literally everything you do manages to become game with these women. You can't not behave attractively with them.
They're positive about everything you say, you push/pull without even trying and they aim at behaving in ways in which interactions are inevitable.
Yeh but those aren't the girls we want. I want who I want. And those ones are in demand.
Remember that. Become that to the girls.
When your level rise then your standards rising as well. We want to fuck girls who are higher value than us. And only way for this is to crush her initial resistance with your frame. After that she either submits to you, or you'll find next girl.
Throughout my life i have bounced up and down im smv. Regardless of if I was at a low point, high point, or something in between; I never felt it worth going after anything above a 6.
Women above a 6 start to feel entitled, demeanor and attitudes change, competition from other men increases, and tbh the sex often gets worse.
It also helps that I find "cute" WAY more attractive than "sexy"
May want to evaluate yourself on this one.
So true, very often while trying to get the girls we want, there are other less desirable ones who go out of their way to get our attention. Sometimes they even hit on you and straight up offer sex. All you need to do is be a notch above them as regards to SMV.
I'm no stud, but I had many fat chicks just throw themselves at me with zero effort, simply because I weigh a lot less than they do. In their eyes I'm good enough as some dick is better than nothing. Even when I act like a complete jerk towards them they still try and get into my pants. It takes a huge effort to get them off my back. Now if I weighed the same as they did I'm sure I would get zero attention from them as hypergammy dictates that they go for men who are better than them.
If I want to bag girl with an SMV of 5 or higher I know need to have the same SMV.
This is why Chad does so well with the describable women despite being a complete jerk.
Why can't betas understand this is why they have problems persuading women to go out with them? You shouldn't fucking have to. It's fucking wrong. You and her should both want it.
If you have to play games to get her attention, you've already lost the game.
This is why I hate the whole "dating" thing. It is an blatantly obvious interview to be a provider, not a sex ritual. No thanks.
100%.
Over the years I've learned many "tactics" such as push/pull, pulling back, teasing, etc.
Did those tactics work? Absolutely.
Was it worth it? Fuck no.
All they do is get women who are "meh" interested into temporarily interested. Because once you stop playing those games, their interest for you will drop.
Nowadays, I act a little bit cheap, I act a little awkward and revel in awkward silence instead of making her comfortable, I act a little offensive and arrogant (which is who I am), basically I'm being polarizing. The best thing to do is be 100% confident and be yourself.
Because you know if a woman likes you for you, then it makes everything so much easier.
With my ex I didn't play any bullshit games, just asked her to come over the first night we hung out and we smashed.
Recent girl I asked her to come over to my place after the 4th time we hung out (previous times didn't allow for it due to logistics/timing) and she said "no." Earlier that night she kept harping on and on about how so many guys she dates keep calling her beautiful, contact her for years even when they haven't seen each other, invite her out to trips and sports games, ask her to be her valentine, brag about how much money they make in front of her, etc. I commanded her to split the bill and the pissed off look on her face was gold, she wasn't used to not being pedastalized. NEXT.
(and yeah yeah 'never take a girl ur not fucking to food', well i enjoy myself when i eat out and dont drink alcohol, its easier to interview a bitch when the interaction is not lubricated by alcohol and a 'fun' atmosphere. i'm not trying to just smash random broads, i look for someone i can hang out with occasionally plus smash. as for having them look at you as a provider for taking them out to food, that's why i tell them to split the bill, and their reaction tells me everything i need to know about them)
This is why I refuse to run game. They give it for free. If they put up any more than token resistance,your a dancing puppet,and every second you spend gaming her you're paying her in attention time and dignity.
Remember, chads lack of conversation is silent dark and mysterious
Take away is women don't play hard to get, but men should hahaha.
And if they're really interested, you can literally do no wrong. They will inflate your value and validate your ego any chance they get.
Men are getting fed some twisted persistance mantra by the female imperative. It is addictive as it plays to man's yearning for overcoming of obstacles all the while feeding the female ego which ironically is free of any fault as the man is doing all the legwork. Real persistance is when you reach objective milestones and making progress. Number close -> date -> kiss -> block -> fast 2nd date -> heavy makeout -> blowjob you get the drift. Not snapchatting for months
I think more correct would be to say "she either interested and it's fast, or not interested and then it is long". If girl is bitchy or cold at beginning this doesn't mean you need to do "next", as long as you hold your frame and successfully lead her to your (or her) place and then to the bed - you'll fuck her as long as you able to crush last minute resistance (which would be in most cases anyway if you was fast enough). But if you need more than 3 hours (either in one meeting or multiple) of your time to fuck her, then this just don't worth the time. If you only fuck "easy" girls then not only they would be lower quality (in most cases) you also wouldn't feel as good after success even with same quality of girls.
What about the women who may have genuine interest in you but aren't interested in hopping into bed at the drop of a hat. It gets confusing here sometimes, because the prevailing train of thought is that women ride the cock carousel, and this devalues them. However, if a woman shows signs of not riding the CC, then she's not worth the effort. It seems circular: all women secretly want immediate dick and this is why you can only trust them so much (AWALT), but if she doesn't want immediate dick she's not worth my time.
I disagree with that. Women love sex. And if you know how to kill her social preconditioning then only thing matter is if she likes you, or not. If she has genuine interest in you then she would be afraid to lose you. And so she will do things to please you, including having sex early if she understand that she can lose you otherwise. So results are pretty much same no matter if she wants just cock, or relationships.
But this still seems circular. The point of AWALT is that all women have preconceived thought patterns and behaviors, and from what I've seen in here, that includes not being able to form principles to the same extent as men. So if a woman sticks by her principles of not having casual sex but waiting for a real and meaningful relationship, she is not worth forming a relationship for. If you are discounting these women, then your strategy only works for women who will give it us easily. Which is fine if that's the goal, but I see TRP generalized to all women and includes advice not just for a quick lay but even relationships. But the sample set is flawed. That's like going to a research library and complaining that everyone there is quiet and boring. No shit, libraries are supposed to be quiet and serious places. In the same vein, it seems flaw to discard any women from your pile of potential partners if she won't fuck you immediately, and then look at that pile and say based on this evidence, all women will fuck immediately. Um no, it's just based on a curated selection .
Even experienced guys can become pussy when meeting their 11/10 girl, let alone girls when meeting their prince. If you are perceived by her like "more than ten" then all her principles would be crushed easily, as long as she understand that you will respect her for "being your slut temporarily" and this is only way to get this guy she wants so much. I don't claim this based on experience of someone, I claim it based on how brain works. When strong emotions prevail then all your patterns and principles just don't work. Because your intelligent mind is weaker than emotions, let alone mind of weak unprepared woman.
Some women have higher threshold, yes. But if she don't have another high value guy with her, then all her believes become secondary compared to super high value guy before her. Even deeply religious girls can fuck you in one hour, it depends on who you are and what is circumstances.
It seems as if you divide the girls on "easy and slutty" and "pure and innocent and with high standards". This is not how it works. But again. I'm talking about guys with pickup skills and not just those who only can use their frame and high basic value. In case she have strong principles then you need ability to convince her that she isn't becoming a slut and she have a chance for relationships and possible commitment from you.
Citation?
That assumes that she won't do what TRP dictates for men: walk away.
This is why you are a beta, go back to blue pill. you shouldnt have to waste time with cold bitches you should be using that time to better yourself, get your body right, build your business, make fuck you money. that requires time. why waste it on a cold bitch?
because youre a beta. You value her more than you value your time. This will turn women off. . .even if you do manage to bang her she will ghost on you eventually...usually sooner than later. you could have just nexted her found someone possibly hotter that would have banged you that day. all while saving all that time and worked on yourself more.
This is NOT a PUA sub, puas do that shit, get up in a girls face and push on when she isnt interested.
You R E A L L Y need to read the sidebar, read it again, and then read it again.
seriously
sidebar is ~~~~~>that way.
Did you read 37 rules of Warlord? Did you read about such thing like the Frame? If you want to fuck only girls of lower value then indeed you are on right way. And I don't understand why the fuck you talking about time wasting when I'm specifically wrote "do not waste your time, more than 3 hours - next"? If you only go for girls with "positive reactions" then it just means your frame is shit. There is difference between reaction and inner interest. She can be bitch even while imaging how you screwing her pussy. Moreover only low value girl will like you immediately for your looks only. If you can't go through shit test like a warlord then you can forget about 9 and 10. At least before you become millionaire, lol. And yes, if you want to fuck girls of higher value and 20+ of them each year, then PUA is the only way, because you can't get this result just from social circle.
And I'll repeat myself: If you only fuck "easy" girls then not only they would be lower quality (in most cases) you also wouldn't feel as good after success even with same quality of girls.
The problem is men are biologically wired to over invest because the risk of failure is generally very little time wasted vs the potential for success, which is a potentially massive family tree with many generations.
Having gone through a significant period of my life when I was a young adult and socially fubar, I realized I was really closed off, and would be too nervous accepting advances. For a while after that I thought women were the same way, maybe socially nervous but still wanting me to make advances.
Boy was I wrong. I didn't realize it until people I wasn't attracted to started being interested in me, then I had to learn how to reject them, and then it at clicked.
One of the most mind-fucking experiences I have had was about a year after divorce. Met a girl on a business trip, spent minimal time and energy on her, mostly messed with her. One week later she drove to my place (a 4 hour single trip) and we had some of the best sex I have had in my life. At the end of the weekend she said goodbye after cooking me a meal and cleaning up my kitchen. This was the second time I ever met her.
Everytime we met after that she would clean, cook and fuck. She even paid for the ingredients. At the end of those weekends I was well fed, well fucked and not a dime poorer.
So, I would like to add, Women will GO OUT OF THEIR WAY to fuck you if they truly like you.
It's a good feeling. My n-count hit 20 before I ever tried initiating anything with anyone. If you are good enough, they find you.
so... is there anything else to do in order to git gud besides being on your mission for self-development on all fields? I totally internalized this and I'm keeping my head down working on it but if your n-count is higher than 20 maybe you've got extra input
Lift then have sub 10% body fat and wear decent clothes.
I think I'm just really skinny and fat people are a marginalized majority.
No clue. I've struck out plenty since. I think being good at what you do is important, no matter what you're doing. Just demonstrate quality. Try hard at things. Learn from both your success and failures.
when you say being good, you mean professionally or just all around?
I mean all around. When you use the ketchup bottle, don't drip. When you walk up stairs, don't trip. Do each thing the best way you can always.
Know your strengths, know your weaknesses and actually fucking accept the truth of them. Be verbally and physically interesting. A good haircut and very nice pair of shoes. Workout and get involved in something competitive that you enjoy competing in. Soak in the sidebar like a sponge.
The point of this post is to learn to "read the signs". Don't fuck around with anyone that isn't showing deffinite interest. sdff
This is the most dangerous spot for TRPers the sudden female attention has always be watched carefully with AWALT in mind.
Yeah, I definitely got raked over the coals while learning AWALT.
They will literally serve you with more eagerness and enthusiasm than the most devote beta serves his oneitis.
This is what happens when women embrace one or more of their core values like giving and generosity.
Sounds too good to be true. Are you perhaps a Greek god by any chance? Or is she low SMV?
Hes just not a faggot. You should take notes.
I recently got back out into the dating game. Old me would try way to hard if rejected. I would be that pathetic guy continually engaging and offering dates and being extra nice. Why would I be extra nice, because my mama said “treat a girl extra nice and she will fall in love with you”. Thanks for that bullshit mom.
I treat a girl with respect, if she doesn’t actively show interest, I’m gone. I’m not wasting my time or money on someone that wants me to jump through hoops.
Good reminder, a girl wanted me at a New Year Eve party, and things went so easy. Now I found myself chasing a girl that I thought was "special." I thought it was all shit-tests or else. Big mistake. I won't waste my time anymore with her. Thanks for the reminder.
Find out how interested they are by applying kino on them, if they are into you, they will start touching you too.
Just went through this exact thing. Went on two dates with this girl and they were great. Fast forward to a week later and I get the “I miss you and want to see you text”. I play something for the following day and guess what, she cancels because she’s a had a long day at work. Cool with me I understand. How about Friday then? Cancels that day because she needs time by herself. Alright.... how about a set time for dinner the following night? No reply around that time. Number and Snapchat deleted. Thank you for the post, I needed a wake up call.
thing about women.... they are very hormonal and can want to fuck you one night, but the next day at 11AM act like you never even existed. If you dont fuck that night, 5/10 you wont have oppurtunity. If women "slip up" and fuck you, youll have oppurtunities to fuck her again just because now you are apart of her n count and shes ok w/ fucking you multiple times. but if you arent apart of that n count, she will make you jump through hoops. to women, for every person they sleep w/, they see it as their chances to date someone else decreasing exponentially, due to the stigma that men think women are sluts the more people they sleep w/. Basically all Im saying is that women will slip up and fuck you, and then youre good for life to fuck. but if you dont hit on the first or second night when theirs a good vibe, then basically there will be no plausible deniability and therefor you wont be able to fuck. its hard to explain. it really is. especially the "slipping up" part.
Just thought we had good chemistry both physically and through interests. Had sex the second meeting and was good, felt like we had known each other for months. However, the interest starting declining rapidly few days after (from both sides). Thanks for reading my thoughts over.
alll that means is that she saw something in you, so she gave you a treat (ass) to see if you would be what she was hoping. when that didnt happen, she moved on to the next to see if she could leech on him as well. its really just life.
Hear hear, totally right. Just commenting so I can come back to this, had trouble putting it into words myself.
Fuck Yes Or No
+1, this attitude changed my dating life for the better.
You ever hear stories from your female acquaintances about how they did "everything" for their asshole boyfriends/baby-daddies/husbands and still got treated like crap? If women desire a man strong enough, they will go to great lengths to pursue them and put up with a lot of BS. I don't advocate doing this, but it is an example of how far a woman will go when she desires a guy. At the very least, they won't make it hard to pursue her.
Women who want to fuck you, won't confuse you.
Rollo Tomassi
The medium is the message is probably the most impacting article he wrote for me. I won't say it's the best, or even my favorite, but in terms of sheer obviousness, practicality, and simplicity of it was relieving.
It's harsh, but relieving. Guys want to believe in mixed signals because it keeps them in the game, if you just look at overall how a woman speaks to you and reacts to you, then it's very simple and clear she's either trying to closer to you or not.
No use wasting time otherwise. Do women play hot/cold? Yeah, but you have guys out there who get all cold and maybe a smile one time and it's "she's giving me mixed signals bro". Get out of your fucking fantasy land.
I have also come to this same conclusion, mainly from my own experiences, and from watching the way girls treat my good looking, high-SMV “natural” friends: they make everything as easy and smooth as possible for them.
If the pussy ain’t coming easy, it probably ain’t coming. Hard advice to truly understand and appreciate, especially for someone just starting out.
I like that. “If the pussy ain’t coming easy, it probably ain’t coming”. On point.
My rule is simple; you get one chance to be with me. There is no second chance.
You hear a lot of talk about playing hard to get, and there's no doubt some girls do it sometimes, because it works. For many men it makes them seem more attractive.
However yes if she wants you enough she's not going to make it difficult for you.
I will generally put some effort into getting a girl, not a lot. I know very well she will make it easy for a guy she's really interested in - so if she's making me jump through hoops, it's a sign she's not really interested, and it's time to move on. If someone's not seriously interested in or hot for you, the first thing she will do when she meets someone she IS hot for is dump you without a qualm, in a second. So you're just wasting your time.
I've thought about it that way for such a long time it's become second nature; I have a "difficulty" threshold and as soon as a girl crosses it no matter how attractive she is I lose interest and move on - and am usually never interested in her again.
Oh if she wants you she will definitely make it hard. Your dick that is.
This just happened to a buddy of mine last night. We were at a convention he was leaving a little earlier than me, I was still occupied. We were going to meet up a little later and hit a bar. Long story short. Some girl asks him for a light she asks if he's from around here. He says no it's my last night here. She says okay, come on. Takes him back to her place he fucks her twice.
Same.
Shit tests are not much of a thing if girl is actually DTF.
If she's undecided/in a screening mode, they are a thing then.
This is why working on improving yourself, for yourself, is key. Make you better, for you. Women come and go. You are the constant.
I am really glad you posted this. The is the fundamental pillar of TRP and if you are still years away from being alpha it can be a true life saver.
I think the problem is with most men is they have not really experienced aggressive women. Could be due to looks, personality whatever, so they still have that unicorn mentality.
I am currently in a medical program and I am friends (100%) non interest relationships with many women. Coming from the dont shit where you eat mentality. Regardless these women/peers start talking and fuck every TRP truth is proven time after time again. So as beta faggy as it sounds befriend women if you want to see these truths, I dont spend money on them, it shows female validation to women in other programs and it has taught me just as much about women as the articles posted on this site.
If she deliberately isolates you with her, then its almost a lock she wants you to seduce her. Women wont risk rejection and they despise weak men who would be afraid to sweep her off her feet
This is my litmus test for MeToo allegations. Women willingly put self alone with a guy? Its more about regret rape
This is also how you'll know when to turn a plate into an LTR. Observe her closely.
Don't listen to anything she says, watch what she does.
If she's really into you, you'll know. And make FOR DAMNED SURE she doesn't try to change you.
Then you can start to step it up to the next level.
It depends on the girl and on her life story. A girl might want you but be afraid to commit to soon to you without being 100% sure you're worth it. This might be due previous bad experiences she might have had. A girl like this can still make it very difficult to you to get her, even if they want you. Other girls are to attached to certain moral values and doesn't wanna be seen as easy, so she will do a certain effort to make you work for it.
Again, this place is becoming more and more about generalizations and ignoring real life and diversity. It's maybe because people here are looking for easy answer and solutions to their problems.
Sure, she might be a prude for a reason or another and won't sleep with you easily, but she will still make it easier if she likes you. She won't "go say hello to that friend I haven't seen in ages" 2 minutes after meeting you, she will contribute to the conversation, if there are silences she doesn't use them as an excuse to ignore you but will ask you something, she will be receptive to your touch and so on.
Some girls, especially most if not all except for a handful of younger girls, are brats. They enjoy playing hard to get and have that kind of power despite also being submissive. This is because of majority of men making it easy and social media inflating their egos but I'm sure women get off on ego-boosting events and knowing how much power they have
If she's making it difficult she may still be interested, just bratty. Especially watch out for this if it's a girl from 18-20 and younger ones that will grow older
With that being said trying again and again isn't the best, but it works well if you give it time and spread it out rather than keep trying in a short amount of time without giving any "breathing room". Answered when I asked in a AskTRP thread months ago, persistence makes her feel validated and sexy only when done over time, spread out, with sexual escalation occurring each time and she knows you have options
i think the truth is somewhere in the middle of what you and /u/Fedor_Gavnyukov say - please share your thoughts, both of you!
IMO if she's "making it difficult" as in playing that ratchet card of being hard to get, leaving her alone means
happened to me in the past. both scenarios. and I basically said nothing with this comment, just reiterated OP's idea: if she's interested, she will come back
I quite agree with your three points. You have to persist/chase a little but you also have to withdraw attention to get them to come to you. If she really is interested it will work. Even if she wasn't interested at first she may become so. No wrong results from withdrawing attention
If she is only using you for attention/validation, I believe it's safe to say that most men here would be able to scout it out immediately
If you are doing it correctly, there should be sexual tension (you are legit getting horny, and she is also getting horny, and/or at the very least there's a MUTUAL feeling of 'respect' towards the escalating energy/situation).
If she's ignoring/avoiding/rejecting the reality of the sexual tension, it's probably wise to 'next' as the OP advises. If she was simply 'shit-testing', she'll likely be back on her own accord, within a week's time, ready to fully participate.
it does happen. happened to me as well. but like i said, the majority of time it won't. so i just don't waste my time. and if that 1 out of 10 girls does come crawling back, then great.
garbage advice. she may be bratty during the evening or the time you're spending together at a given moment, but if you don't hit it that time, 9 out of 10 times its a waste of time to try for it again. if you're not an idiot you'll pick up her clues of brattiness, as women make them obvious. if its not obvious, huge chance she's not interested. this white knight shit you're describing is for faggots.
Right I think this is shit tier advice too. He's basically saying "Be a beta orbiter but not too hardcore now guys".
Have your character defined as a man and STICK TO IT. Guys that say shit like this, I don't think they have witnessed little miss girl next door fuck some greasy punk the first night she met him at a local bar.
I never did anything too too bad, and fortunately I was stubborn so I never became a cuck, but I'll never forget the jealousy I didn't know I harbored in my worst BP days.
Being smart enough to see something, but not knowing how to reconcile it with what you're told. The jealousy is why is dealing with women such a tiring hassle, but it seems like some guys just have it so easy, that women are always with dudes who are barely trying.
It was at that point little Timmy realized it was not a meritocracy, or at the very least he was playing the wrong game.
BP nice guy anger and jealousy come from strongly valuing pussy to the point it hurts and then seeing it literally be given away as if it was worthless to some guy who probably doesn't fit the bill for your idea of a good guy. This destroys more NiceGuys every year than any other thing.
Fuck that. If the bitch isn't going to be receptive and is going to play hard to get our some other bullshit, I've got better things to do than give her attention and validation until she decides to open her legs. Playing skyrim on god mode is more useful than chasing some dumb entitled cunt playing hard to get. She loses her chance with me and it passes to another girl who isn't such a cunt.
Bitches are not endangered, there are billions of them in the world and a new crop turning 18 every fucking day. No need to waste time on any particular one.
Bruh, "Bitches are not endangered", that's a legendary line
I will make a Fieldreport today for your comment.
Looking forward to it. Please /u/ me when it's up in case I don't see it
Thanks
Once you see what a really good lead looks like, you will never again settle for less - 60 Years of Challenge
Many girls want to be chased and some are too scared/dont know how to chase men. Just because you found a confident slut doesnt mean this is the rule. You are correct that they will leave signs but they arent going to be chomping at your jock because they are attracted to you. You typically dont want these girls.
All girls want orbiters.
All women will signal interest, even the shyest of the shy. You just need to understand that is what is happening. And then yes, it is up to you to close.
Yes you do, fuck this advice. Give me a No, or fuck yes. In between is just a waste of time. Men want to get their dick wet, these women will get your dick wet. The other women won’t.
An easy hoe as described by the story is often just gonna get distracted by the next dick.
So? She isn’t your girl, it’s just your turn.
All women get distracted by the next dick, there is no such thing as a “good girl” if she is a “good girl” that simply means she wants to appear that way TO YOU. For someone ELSE she’ll want to be a “bad girl”. And that’s perfectly fine too.
Stop trying to claim ownership over women. You should try to be less controlling of their behavior and just accept it.
And work so that you’re the best dick that she’s ever going to have.
Not that hard to do these days.
May as well just embrace cuckoldy while you're at it..
Nah, when a ho acts like a ho, you just drop her and get another.
Hint: they are all hoes.
Ok, some make it SUPER easy, but I think the axiom still stands.
If she is interested she will make time for you. If you ever find yourself having a hard time seeing a girl because she doesn't have time or is always having an issue, it's just she's not into you.
They may not chase you, but they won't give you shit if you act on you desire appropriately.
If they do, it's a no-go anyway.
I wouldn't take it that literally. it could be a confident slut, but even with a shy girl, you'll feel it. she'll be extra shy or she'll saccade or she'll be instantly down to meet you if that's the case
One of the things I find most interesting is the percentage of nexted girls that will randomly contact you. I havent done the numbers, but given that in my supplicating, woman pleasing days i never once had a girl contact me after we broke contact, its something ive noticed.
I mess with them a bit, test theory on them. My basic resolve is that if didnt happen the first go around, I probably wont fuck her this time either, but at least I can use her for practice
It is in my experience that most nexted girls will not hit you up again. It's a fantasy. Girls you had to next were not interested to begin with so why the hell would they hit you up?
I have only had it happen one time. It was last valentines. She HMU after a month to take her out on valentines. We made out but didn't bang and I never saw her again.
I have something to admit and its a long shameful piece.... First and foremost, your title says it all.
Second I made the mistake of assuming she's an exception.
Third, I lied to myself and thought I was ready for commitment.
To clarify on my third statement, Its not that ive got the "wandering eye" but simply that I compartmentalize my personality from women I fuck and women I commit to. I can very much game women and be a cold motherfucker, but once I decide to commit , I have this incredible ability to slowly forget everything and allow my emotions to control my behaviour.
I don't even want to fucking talk about it, but I'm commuted to a women who is not the best looking woman I've fucked or can get, and for the past month ive been letting het sleep over her ex boyfriends house because he's a methhead and she said "he needs her" Now after a month of trickle truth I've agreed to let her work things out so she can be sure I'm the one.
Her argument is that I treated her like a sex toy until I felt like being serious, and she has had a more serious relationship with him and she needs closure with him now that hes actually sober. I can't even remember how the fuck I managed to be the way I was or why out of all the women I was dating i chose to be infatuated with her.
The first time she told me she had a boyfriend I looked @ her with a blank face and said "....ok" as she was sitting on my lap.
I just went through this same problem last year with an ltr.
What the fuck am I doing wrong? I can eventually recover and stay single and just talk to multiple women but...I won't live with myself if I'm unable to master LTR'S. I'm attractive, fit, great job good hair and young... Why am I only good for sex. What the fuck am I missing? Am I too stiff? I don't get it... All I can do is manage to fuck women I can't keep them and too me is worse because no woman finds me valuable enough to want to stay. I'm fucking sick of this shit. 2 months ago I was telling her and every other girl I never want to be married or have kids ; I want to be alone. Now ...somehow along these lines I want a full house.
Pussy is pussy it all feels the same, I have never found a girl who fucked better than others because it ALL FEELS THE SAME.. but my brain can no longer understand this why the fuck am I in this position. What did I not see? I just cheated on her tonight and 2 days ago, and all I want is her.
Fuck it need help man ive been on trp since 2010 and I still have the same problem. I don't think I'm capable of mastering this its been 8 fucking years and all I can do is get my dick wet.
First of all look at the wall of text here. Only girls or needy ones write so much without an immediate reward. This is feminine and low-Ts can make you even feel feminine. Hit the Gymn more often :)
Also she hangs up with crooks and meth heads, dude you should think about what kind of dirty dicks and what type of mad meth-sex parties she already played her pussy numb. Don't need to forget, but delete and block her. Don't try to save her, as she already decided her life to be a waste, that's none of your business. I would not feel comfortable as a business man to be called a meth-head fucker..
You need more male friends to hang out and talk to, more social fulfillment of that type to get over this fucking oneitis. Drop the meth hoe, get a classy cultivated one.
You deserve what your confidence makes you believe that you deserve.
had some of the thoughts you've written and you've delivered more than me - very happy to see that and learn from you
OP u/The_Lightskin_Wonder hope you'll read what this guy says
edit: on top, I'd recommend meditation bro. you're overthinking and my feeling is that you're missing what opportunities life may give you. I'd sit back and enjoy the ride. believe or not in fate (I'm 50-50 personally so I wouldn't call myself biased), if you're given this and not something else, means you didn't finish this process/lesson. enjoy it.
Would it be worse if I told you that I told her I didnt want to get with her cus she didnt have her shit together? And I out of the blue one day decide I want to commit to her specifically and did not care whether or not she did. I'm losing to a fucking methhead. I'm able to provide for her more than her past 2 ex's combined and I've been laid off for 2 months.
By trio's standards I have everything a woman could want charisma, muscles money, intelligence, I'm not crying over her I'm not being whiny, I'm more like a robot when I become serious. I have this intense urge to be not only her rock but the great wall of China. Her parents havent even met her ex and they said she should marry me. What is this junkie doing besides meth. She's with me 85% of the time. I fucking knew deep in my bones this kid was temporary and now here I am..handing over the keys. I feel powerless
First thing. You see or hear she is involved with meth, you nope the fuck right out of there. Nothing good can come of it.
Second thing. You said it and didn't know it. "I treated her like a sex toy until I felt like being serious" this is how you keep her on the hook as long as you want to fuck her. She has to earn you, but the moment she does she starts to lose interest. Never let her earn you, don't go full beta and commit to her ass unless you want her gone. This is modus operandi for me, they have to continuously qualify for me to keep them around.
The young ones don't want the sappy boyfriend, they want the guy who doesn't give a fuck about them. If you want to be wanted, then you can't give a fuck about the girl. Even if you do, you can't show it because it well run her off. Every bitch reading this will say "I'm not like that, that won't work on me!" But it works on every fucking girl on the planet that is secured to you. The older girls my age want to retire on your money, stop working, and go shopping with you paying for it. They still want the guy who wont give her commitment, but they'll try their hardest to lock you down so you're not off fucking girls half her age.
Do not get married. Get that through your head. You want the same girl around for a few years, treat her like a fuck toy and she will stick to your cock like her lips are super glued to it.
Or ya know, you can believe the blue bullshit that showing you care will make her hot and wet for you. I get rid of bitches by showing I care.
Because you don't understand the content. If you're angling as a short term prospect, you will get treated like one. In order to be slotted in as a LTR you would need to willingly beta slide.
Women select against for a LTR.
You don't get to angle as an "highly masculine, emotionally unavailable LTR." That's a long term plate, not a girlfriend.
That being said, there's a strong possibility that this women enjoys being with men she can easily control and "fix." That is a codependent relationship. So look into codependence and see if you fit.
Because you're a mess and you're using women to validate yourself.
I love beautiful succinct posts like this one. Great job brotha, thanks for sharing.
I love this post but want to add something to it.
If you the prize she will try to validate herself. It crushed my ego when I would hook up with someone who would fuss about a blow job but I know would eat Chad's ass after a work out.
If I found someone that was lower on the scale, I was amazed at how much I could get away with because I was the prize.
The moment I hooked up with someone my level or hire, I noticed that I was afraid to say what I want. Fear of loss still lingers.
Kill that mindset, go after the ones that want you and keep working on yourself so that you know that you are the prize. Don't waste your time, money and effort. There are tons of women who will want you.
Great post OP
As a normal girl that doesn't usually do shit tests and all the messed up shit girls usually give you guys, I can confirm this is completely true. Yet, happened to me twice to act just like this and try to make everything smooth and completely 50-50 and I got some fucked up reactions from the guys. As if they lost interest, thought I was too easy or some shit like that. Sometimes I think you guys are way more hard to understand than girls to be honest.
It's so often the case that each sex realy doesn't understand what the other is doing.
When I have not closed on a girl who was making things easy, it was usually from confusion due to BP paradigm. If she was touchy from the start I might think "Oh she's just like this with everyone." If she was making innuendo I might think "she's into me too fast," instead of manning up and entertaining her advances while I decide if I want her or not.
I've had girls come up to me so close that my arm is around their waste before I even get her name. I've had them make a joke about us having sex the first chance they get. I let these slip because I didn't know how to progress from there. They stole my sense of control and I didn't know how to switch off my society-programmed sense of shame about sexualizing interactions. There's not much you can do in these cases, unless you just want to use a beta guy for his dick. We have to learn for ourselves to feel validated by means other than your sexual attention, to have the entitlement that we're sex-worthy, and to believe that we have something to offer.
I know it doesn't always happen, but some girls actually do change their mind. I had a girl flat out reject me, then be super nice to me for no reason I could tell, then straight jump into my bed when we met again (which was a couple of months later). I even asked her about this phenomenon and she said she couldn't figure out her feelings at first.
But I guess you can't count on that happening if a girl stubbornly says no for a longer period. My case is an exception to the rule, if anything.
When you fucked her in the room, condom or no? Serious question here.
I dig through all the bullshit posted here everyday to find diamonds like these.
Once you see what a really good lead looks like, you will never again settle for less - 60 Years of Challenge
Your absolutely right. I used to think some women were into me intill I found out the truth. They were just using me for my validation and attention. Men, you got to know when a women is f'n with you or really wants you. I swear this is their thought process. "I'm going to call johnny and talk to him on the phone for 3 hours and boost my self esteem and get all the validation I need". or even "I'm going to call johnny and f with him". They do stuff like this. Don't waste your time and don't give them attention. Do not talk to them on the phone for hours on end. This has to be the biggest shit test. You just went out on a date? Then she is calling and texting you? Ignore her ass. You just hung out, its a shit test. I bet you a million dollars she will not stop calling you if she likes you. You can ignore them for days, its going to be ok - cough probably a shit test. I set dates, that is it and I might talk for a moment. Do you talk to your bros on the phone for hours? Hell no unless your gay. The first phone convo is an exception! Learn to open women up. It is simple just go up to a women and start pointless convos. F all those pickup lines and bs. Game is just small talk. Or you can even ignore and score. Ignore, ignore, and ignore. Make her go insane for your validation and attention. Im telling you brothers, I dont give women a dime of attention now of days. Most are just walking around dressed all sexy just to get reactions for a self of steem boost. It makes them feel good that they are desired by a bunch of men. Shes acting like your the ONE? THIS IS BULLSHIT. I had to learn the hard way. Dont flirt like a little kid to. I seen grown as men do this, and shes probably talking shit behind there back. Make it clear that you will walk away in a second. Don't fake it, Do it. I express it. And if people really want to push me to the edge I will walk. Jobs, relationships, everything. A man with no boundaries is not attractive. New doors open it is no big deal. Just don't give a shit unless it really matters to you. Life is to short to give a shit. Want to raise attraction? Put her in her place. Most women now of days are out of control because they go threw life with a pussy pass, doing whatever the hell the want. Put them in there place, you can sense the dominate and submissive role once you learn. That doesn't mean be a complete asshole and raising your voice like a prick. Respect them just don't take there shit. and Women make it easy trust me, all you go to do is set a damn date. Women are not stupid. If they want wang, they know how to get it. The truth is your a success object. Women are a sex objects. Romance movies are bullshit and life is not a damn movie. Women accept they are sex objects. That is why they dress all sexy and wear tight pants and shit. Ill prove men are success objects. I had a great job. I was making really good money and was in good shape for a long time. I got fired and had to move back in with my parents. Now I'm delivering pizzas and in the process of trying to get a grant to go back to school. Do you think I am near as attractive as I was to women? Hell no because I was getting laid when I was independent making good money. Sure my job is fun as hell and I might be hot to sum but not as hot as a damn doctor. I really dont give a shit but I like making bank also. Gotta better yourself. Best if you dont stop. Im just trying to help a brother out and you can take it with grain of salt if you like.
On the other hand, if they make it too easy, chances are, something is VERY VERY wrong.
or something is VERY VERY RIGHT as in your smv...
people like Nick Bateman for example,
Yes, well, there is SMV, and apparent SMV. Her apparent SMV was high, yet she pursued me, indicating interest first, then asking me out, then expressing a desire to fuck me right away, then fucking me within 2 days of our first date with no condom (Yes, I'm a moron.) Turns out, that while she has a lot going for her in some departments (a lot in fact) she is also highly unstable and probably has a personality disorder. So ultimately, her actual SMV is low because you wouldn't want to have a kid with her, or even have sex with her over an extended period of time.
I totally missed this.
yeah that wasnt the smartest thing, I would have nexted her after that, not because she was too easy but. . .
the whole no condom thing.
I once had a girl that was easy like that BUT she wanted me to fuck with no comdom. I was young and not as red pill so I didnt end up doing it and nexted her.
now that im more rp aware she probably wanted me to be af, impregnate her, and have her bb pay for the kid.
And theme 5 words ended the thread 🍼
OP I agree with you 100%. But you're missing one piece, girls will still shit test you if they want to fuck you, the thing is your passing them unconsciously, you don't even know it, which is why some guys blow it. Good job!
Not too long ago I brought a girl back to my place. It was almost TOO easy that night gaming her. Thing is I went full beta as soon as we got to my place and I didn’t get the lay. Now? Whenever I tried to see her I would always get bull shit. Most times (if not all times) you have to strike when the iron is hot. You will know if she’s feeling you or not.
I just went through this shit. I'm glad I was able come to the same conclusion. Maybe Im starting to internalize this stuff?
Did you ever consider that maybe that girl actually wanted to date Keith, and figured that if she fucked him on the first night, he would do the same thing as you and start "roaming around" and looking for "options"?
This is true
Though there will be a whole spectrum of girls that will be on the fence about you. Not every girl is going to be into you in 5 minutes
Though it's great to feel you turn on at least some girls quickly, there's still higher levels
Completly disagree with the premise. That is something they say to guys to keep the creepers away.
Many girls want to get the guy hooked from the get-go and faking disinterest is their way of gaming, especially if it's clear to them the guy is interested. I do believe this is semi-cultural though; I'm from a latin country where chicks are notoriously hard because they are indocrinated from a young age to never show too much attraction to a man early on.
I can't tell you how many I've banged one of these chicks only to find out way later they had the hots for me SINCE FOREVER.
Also, aside from that. We're assuming women know what they want. They might be DTF just by looking at your sick pythons but 95% of the time they are just waiting for a guy to convince them it's him they want.
FR: last night I meet up w this broad off tinder for a drink. We meet in the parking lot, I say hello and give her a hug. She asks if I want to take a walk down the beach instead. Why not? So we chat for a few minutes and she drops this gem. "so, are you into bdsm? I'm a sub." we stop walking and she reaches into her purse and pulls out two beers. Within an hour we're in the back of her car fucking like wild animals.
You're right. If women are interested in you, they'll make any excuse in the book to get your dick out.
not necessarily have you ever heard of a shit test?? even when you’re in a relationship some girls will still be bitches and interactions with them can be a pain in the ass, doesn’t mean they don’t want you that’s just who they are. bitches
If they are making it a pain in the ass to interact with them, they don't really want you.
At best, they have mild interest but have to find out more before going with more. But IME they usually don't care if you leave in such situation.
F them. and you shouldnt give a f to.
One girl insulted me through the whole "date". Frankly we were teens back then and this was "date" where her friend was there too. Then I started insulting her as well and she broke down and stopped being mean.
Buying them shit? I ve bought new frying pan to her for valentines day.