If "No One Is On Your Side," You Are Definitely Doing It Wrong

[deleted] · 2018-02-18T19:45:29+00:00

Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect - Mark Twain

Blackhawk2479 · 2018-02-18T19:14:56+00:00

I hear you, but at the same time I think you are taking what he said too literally. Part of the problem with this place is that too many people think something is either black or white (especially alpha vs beta), when the reality has always been shades of grey.

The point for me is that when the chips are down, there isn’t anyone who wouldn’t throw you under the bus to save themselves.

In that sense we truly are alone.

strikethrough123 · 2018-02-18T20:04:08+00:00

"No one is against you, they are for themselves" -Some dude

Ananonguy88 · 2018-02-18T19:28:21+00:00

Yup, this other post was quite over the line. There was a post about creating your tribe some time earlier. I prefer this kind of thinking. Strong selection of your pack, kicking out the unworthy and untrustworthy. Some will try to bring you down indeed, just because of their own misery and jealousy, but these are losers trying to make more losers. If you stick with winners, you are the winner too.

Ozymanberg · 2018-02-18T20:28:00+00:00

I think yall both have it right. It aint that people want to see YOU fail, nor that they want to see YOU succeed. They just don't give a fuck unless it related to them. We are all selfish creatures. People feel good when they can help someone out, but if they can get something out of that help to benefit them--even better!! Case in point (just one instance)- I have an airplane. I bought it to get further in a life goal.
Old guy I used to work with (master aircraft mechanic) knew about my goals and what I was doing. He saw me working on my airplane in the middle of the field I kept it in, in the middle of a snowstorm.
Long story short, he is now paying for my hangar. That being said, my airplane is also an opportunity for him to get back into flying. So I will let him use it occasionally, and take him flying with me when we are both free. Win-win type of shit is what a RP man should be shooting for.

RedPilledRoaster · 2018-02-18T20:07:13+00:00

Evryone wants to get on the gravy train. If you're having great amounts of success, people will gravitate towards you. They'll have different overt ajendas and they'll have differing levels of social graces, but they'll all hope to benefit by proximity to you. If noone is gravitating towards you, it's because noone sees value in you.

chuckthundercock · 2018-02-18T20:31:31+00:00

Agree with OP. No one has achieved great power without an army to lead. When you find yourself in the mode of the poster who wrote "No one is on your side." it is time to self-reflect and consider monk mode.

Its the equivalent of saying, I hate women, they all treat me like shit and none of them will fuck me.

One thing is wrong if you end up in the "trust no one" camp. YOU are wrong, and creating that dread is contagious and is what births omegas. You can not build massive power without having a team of trusted generals.

The enlightened man(alpha) has men wanting to follow him, women swooning him, and feels great. Are people on his side? Absolutely, because it serves their interests.

When you end up in a "no one is on my side" hole, its because you fucked up, you lost massive value, and those who saw value in you no longer do. I've been there, in "trust no one" "shit mode" after things going wrong for me, usually due to my fuck up.

Have your pity party, readjust, recalibrate, get out of "shit mode" and go build personal value, and prove all those motherfuckers who forsook you what it really cost them.

Build your base of power, and chances are, they will turn on you at some point again if you lose frame and or power. Wash rinse repeat and enjoy... Welcome to the suck of being a man.

Xyolex · 2018-02-18T19:21:51+00:00

Think of it like this: People will follow your ideals when they see that you are a good leader, but they won't follow you into death.

People are with you, you are not alone in this world, but it's good to maintain a certain distance from people, for you never know when your best friend may have an objective similar to yours and backstab you for it.

SlainFunicle · 2018-02-18T20:43:08+00:00

this is bullshit because people hate people who are the 1% because of envy people hate people for a lot of reason, they can't use you, some pretend to like you to ride on your success, people don't hate people because they are poor because i am sure even you have friends that are poor, as for women they leave guys that are billionaires all the time many time, what red pill people should do is if a person is not with you that is their problem they can fuck off you do you and keep improving.

RedPilledRoaster · 2018-02-18T20:43:38+00:00

OP of the other post here. You need to re-read the post. You took it a bit too literally.

I’m not saying anywhere in the post to isolate yourself from everyone or look at things negatively. The point of the post was to enlighten people about the fact that when you start your self-improvement journey it’s going to bring out the insecurities of others and they will lash out at you. It was meant to prepare readers and let them know that’s normal, and to not let it infect their drive.

Yes people love to look up to a winner. But they hate seeing someone go from a loser to a winner while they stay the same.

“The reason almost no one makes it to the stop is because everyone’s a loser.”

Just reinforcing what I’m saying here. Everyone’s a loser, so everyone tries to keep you where you are.

“The higher value you become, the more good shit you will get.” And along with that the more spite you will get from others who watched you climb while they remained the losers they are.

MrEscher · 2018-02-18T20:12:58+00:00

The more good shit you get, the more jealous people will be. As you said, most people are losers.

bojsihtekat · 2018-02-19T05:14:17+00:00

People don't actually love winners...they love beimg around them and syphoning off their success.

GayLubeOil · 2018-02-19T04:34:21+00:00

The spergs here want to put on a batman suit cut a hole in the crotch and masterbate to how no one understands them. Any material that fulfills that Ideological objective will be upvoted.

Your asking unreasonable illogical people to be reasonable and logical. I agree with you bro but it's not gonna happen.

If you could see all of them in their Batman suits cocks in hand you would realize that your please for reason will go unheaded.

Ichewfivegum · 2018-02-22T18:57:24+00:00

When you really master game, everyone is on your side. If your in shape, dress well and game the shit out of everyone and everything, almost everybody you meet will be on your side.

EDIT: game doesn't work on alphas, reserve it for women and betas. And anybody that recognizes what your doing may not be a huge fan of it. If your gonna use game, you need to be able to demonstrate to people who recognize what your doing that you have some sort of moral compass you follow.

Fedor_Gavnyukov · 2018-02-18T21:29:31+00:00

both posts have pros and cons. take the best of both and make up your own mind. its not that hard.

no one is on your side, that's very true. however, you can't put all the blame from your unproductiveness on this simple fact. also, you can't explicitly say your plans suck just because you're doing at it alone. sometimes finding the right people to help you is not that easy.

i say never rely on people and always have a plan to do shit yourself, but also do seek out those that you can learn from and that may be potential problem solvers for you as well.

ChinmayT2 · 2018-02-18T23:53:15+00:00

Surrounding yourself with good people is very necessary. You can very easily identify the fake people ; it really is not that hard. Be with good people, do good work and success will happen.

tinydickbigballs · 2018-02-18T19:29:20+00:00

Every good leader has people willing to die for him and his ideas

360_no_scope_upvote · 2018-02-18T19:30:52+00:00

You took the point too literal.

BryanJz · 2018-02-18T21:48:20+00:00

It depends, you guys are both right. It's in the small details, the way you'd define ''truly caring''

In it's deepest/animal/hellish form, yes, no one cares about you. We are all selfish creatures and no love (a mothers love usually comes closest) is unconditional. I think that's the key word in this. That post was not to be taking to literal, I think it had a more ''have low expectations, protect yourself, thus be more selfish'' lesson.

notonlyplace · 2018-02-18T22:03:41+00:00

it's not because you are a winner, it's because you are a loser

Most theft is in house, most rape are from someone you know, guess those people are losers , Why is it that if something is missing it's most likely a family member

If no one is on your side, it's not because you are a winner, it's because you are a loser

No one is on the Rich side, in the political spectrum, Remember bill gates got a pie thrown in his face, people only like Warren buffet because they think he lives a poor man life style.

, it's because your plans suck, or you lack charisma.

Elon musk sucks then because he can't keep a wife

Two very real things to work on right there; stop being paranoid.

Judge a person by their ability to betray you not by their loyalty to you

then the problem is probably you.

All problems are men fault, if a women does something it's a guy fault I know

The reason why almost no one makes it to the top is because almost everyone is a loser.

No, because people don't want to be at the top, I could be at the top but who wants to put in that effort

The higher value you become, the more good shit you will get.

No this is just a way to blame the victim, the higher value you become the bigger the bullseye on your back gets, see Bill Cosby, This is why high valued people are controlled

Self-honest · 2018-02-18T22:29:51+00:00

I think some people are just no good at articulating their thoughts/concepts/points. Or maybe they don't spend enough time figuring out what they are actually trying to say. In any event, I agree with your post wholeheartedly.

MoeJoFlo · 2018-02-19T03:07:23+00:00

All of these comments are great. It's good to see discussion on important topics like this , instead of complaining about sjw's and metoo.

I agree with some of the people here. There are good points in both posts. However, I think it boils down to this : People only help you if it serves their interest. On the bright side, You can serve their interests in many ways. That is where OP in this post is correct. People love winners. They want to surround themselves with winners .

Dmva100 · 2018-02-18T19:22:40+00:00

"...but if she isn't your biggest cheerleader..."

"...dont count on her for support..."

O.o

Post is fucked and places validation from others as a goal. It dilutes your personal victories. Fuck those other people.

trexgomez · 2018-02-18T20:16:21+00:00

I really want to agree with you. But talking off my personal experience I always do the right things yet get backstabber at important junctions. I really want to believe you but my life experiences don't.

whatsthisgarg · 2018-02-19T03:51:02+00:00

Others do not want to see you win. . . . People do not like to see others succeed.

Depending on the situation this is so true. My wife has got this friend who just had a baby and her husband bitched and moaned about how hard it was to have a kid at his age (30) [My parents had me at 35 and 32 so I laughed because they had my brother too]. He said, "You should just have a kid now." It's as if can't stand being miserable alone so he needs someone else to go through it. He sees my care free lifestyle of lifting, doing what I want and having money in the bank (winning) and wants me to be just like him which is exhausted, no sex and no money (losing).

Another situation that was the very same night was him and another acquaintance. I said that I am putting some serious thought into starting a service based business and as soon as I got the words out of my mouth they say "Oh that's hard," "it's a lot of work you know?", and "I wouldn't do that."

Alphas would have said, "you got a business plan?", "what market do you plan on serving?", or "did you do a break-even analysis?" Instead I got chump ass beta ass answers like "you can't do it because of XYZ so don't even try."

Guess who I don't hang around with anymore? Those guys because they are LOSERS.

The crab mentality plagues half of society. It's why 50% of Americans have less than $500 and why half of America is overweight. You tell anybody you want to make money. "You shouldn't covet money." You tell anybody you want to have muscles. "You need good genetics." You tell anybody that you invest in the stock market. "You're just going to lose it all." etc. etc. etc.

I am positive and believe there are people out there that want you to succeed in life but there's not many of them. Most people don't believe they can be successful and as a result they aren't. Because they aren't successful they think no one can be successful. When you go telling people you want to rise up and not be Mr. Average Joe they will come up with a dozen excuses as to why you can't because of XYZ.

The reason why almost no one makes it to the top is because almost everyone is a loser.

I agree. Most of society is fat, broke, lazy and stupid. If you live in a 1st world country you got very few reasons to be a fuck up in life.

i_amtheice · 2018-02-19T09:16:44+00:00

It's possible, kids, to make your point without TYPING EVERYTHING IN CAPITALS OR BOLD OR ITALICS. We get it.

[deleted] · 2018-02-19T09:52:25+00:00

You know what people love more than a winner? A comeback.

Rise from your ashes, gents. Show your Phoenix.

MattyAnon · 2018-02-19T11:11:07+00:00

There IS a thing called crabs in a bucket, but you can just ignore those people. People love winners.

Absolutely agreed, OP. My friends and those around me are supportive of my goals, business, fitness, etc. There's shit tests from the girls, but we're all used to that by now. Most of the guys in my life are extremely supportive. A few are "don't overdo the gym", but most are very positive about everything.

Because, as OP says, people love winners. People want something to believe in. You just have to have the right attitude about it, and that means being emotionally non-needy and doing your own thing and doing it well. Not competing with them, more like trying to improve you.

The reason why almost no one makes it to the top is because almost everyone is a loser.

Almost right, but it's simpler than that. No matter how good or awful everyone is, there is only room for 10% in the top 10%. How do you beat this? Simple: do something you can excel at. Women have no idea how good anything is (think they can judge a bad rocket scientist from a good one?).... they judge value entirely by how others perceive you and how you perceive you.

FirstNamesMusic · 2018-02-19T13:34:15+00:00

I agree with this post.

The difference between a way a woman acts towards a beta and towards an alpha is ridiculously different.

If a woman sees you as beta, you will get a personal cheerleader for literally anything you do. She will be encouraging you at all things, because biologically she wants you to win. A win for you, is a win for her, which equals social status.

Men here must realize, a woman will only throw you under the bus if it is beneficial to them. This is why you keep building value. Why would they throw the highest value thing they have under the bus?

Now the moment you dip in value, all is fair in love and war.

Believeinyourflyness · 2018-02-19T14:53:37+00:00

Law 7- Get others to do the work for you but always take the credit

[deleted] · 2018-02-21T09:42:24+00:00

I think you took it a bit too far.

People cam be "allies", but when push comes to shove you'll often see you were alone from the get go.

You can be friends and have support in "some cases", but expecting it always (especially if the other benefits from your fall) is a recipe for failure.

Andgelyo · 2018-02-22T22:56:18+00:00

100% agree, you need people and they need you. It is a lot more advantageous to have connections and friends in high places. If you are well liked and you bring value to others, people will come to you. They will help you in whatever situation you are in.

Lost your job? Contact an ex classmate who just might pull a few strings for you.

Emotional wreck? (True) friends and family will help you get through it (don’t believe women can truly be there for you through all the bullshit lmao)

Need motivation to get fit? Bring a best bud to help spot you on the bench.

Only losers have the mentality of being alone and self sufficient.

hahayeahthatscool · 2018-02-24T02:27:25+00:00

Yes seek to please the tribe instead of your own will to power, great red pill advice you dumb cunt.

Kubomi · 2018-02-24T04:00:00+00:00

People with that, "it's me against the world, nobody cares about you" mentalities always come off as damaged or broken to me. My experience is the opposite, there are plenty of amazing people in the world and some are my family and friends. It's fine if they came from a broken home or whatever but the fact they can't grasp that not all of us did is annoying.

Store_Front_Door · 2018-02-18T21:43:44+00:00

All that hatred towards the world bullshit gets praised here because a lot of people of this sub are driven by hate- hate for women, hate for successful people, hate for alphas that bullied them. There's no compromise, so posts with only shades of black comfort them and connect to their ideology.

amekooky · 2018-02-18T21:15:40+00:00

It was my understanding that the other post was essentially saying everyone is the protagonist in their own story so don’t accept to be anyone’s priority.

pollodustino · 2018-02-18T21:31:04+00:00

In my (somewhat limited) experience, a good woman will not just cheer you on, but cut you down when you need it. It's possible to get a bit too over-excited or gung ho and start getting arrogant instead of confident, and that's when you need someone to get some sense into you.

Will it hurt? Yeah. Will your ego get deflated? Yeah. Will it piss you off? More than likely. But once you fix yourself you'll be better, she'll be happy, and you'll both have a better time of it going forward.

Title	If "No One Is On Your Side," You Are Definitely Doing It Wrong
Author	whatsthisgarg
Upvotes	598
Comments	105
Date	February 18, 2018 7:06 PM UTC (6 years ago)
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