To piggyback on the recent threesome post, I wanted to give this its own post from an alt. If you think you know who I am, fuck'n keep a lid on it. This is just logistics.

I don't need to tell you how to fuck two women. That should come naturally, you moron.

The setup

You have a LTR or a really kinky plate that you think you can move this in on. She expresses interest, or willingness, but both of you lack the time or interest chasing down a unicorn. You either have titanium frame or she's very open minded.

Again, this term can not be stressed enough. It is very difficult to find women, straight, bi or gay who will join you without enormous upfront investments.

You can reference the other front page thread for more typical arrangements or get into alt sex communities who will tell you the decorum. Which is basically a feminist dance.

For this thread, you're looking for something more cut and dry, less emotions involved, easier to schedule, and something repeatable.

Why?

If you are a young buck and have all the time in the world, it may be fun for you to chase down what in the scene is called a unicorn. But let's understand some points here.

First of all, scheduling a threesome alone, is a time intensive affair. If you're lucky, the most likely outcome if you're both very attractive and you are both outgoing enough to be able to handle "putting yourself" out there, it'll happen organically. I agree, the best course of action here is basically "don't fuck it up."

But there are other issues here. You have to consider the implications of getting involved with another person. Liberal types love this part. They are all worked up over the power dynamics involved. Was she treated as an equal? Was she given proper consideration? Was she treated as a person, or was she a living sex toy? Etc etc. Understand this person may try to undermine your social capital in the group by saying they were treated unfairly when she becomes a centerpiece, but not in the way she imagined.

What you have to understand about what you just read is you've soaked hours into this already. That's just on the one that worked. But understand most women will flake out, they'll be no chemistry etc etc. More or less, you need to entirely adopt a new lifestyle, in the alt sex community. And of course they'll try to shoe horn you into a whole bunch of feminist horseshit with this. That's why all these things drip with feminist bantering like are you treating her like a person? Conservatively speaking, you're treating a whore like a whore.

Also understand, lot's of women on the alt platforms like Fetlife will accept being propositioned for pay for play. Prostitution is not stigmatised the same way on these platforms, but you must call them "sex workers." Or whatever their preferred name is. That is, don't call a "hooker a prostitute" or a "sex worker a whore." Names like "call girl, high end escort, courtesan" etc exist to shield the women from the reality of their income stream. If you remind her of this, intentionally or accidentally, this will cause trouble.

In terms of flakiness and scheduling, there's only two currencies here. SMV and USD.

If you are SMV9 or SMV10, the likelihood that a woman will show up if she commits is probably close to 100%. Rollo's closet rule applies here. She'll break into your wife's car, ride in the trunk, silently wait for you to open it, scale your house and then hide in the closet waiting for the green light.

If you're in the above average department, understand you are properly outfucked. The 9s and 10s are cleaning house on alt sex platforms like Fetlife and trying to convert normalish guys to willing cucks under the guise of an "open relationship." You know, where you do all the shit that the 9s and 10s don't want to do. Again, if you are not properly hot, understand that unless the girl is a total slut, the chances she goes through with it are low. Proportional essentially to the degree of bantering about buzz words like poly, safe sane and consensual, GGG ('good in bed,' 'giving of equal time and equal pleasure,' and 'game for anything—within reason.'") etc that she mentions and your implication that you'll be a willing participant in her charade. Once you stop participating in her game of letting her be an expert whore, and she feels like a whore, that game is over. If you jeopardize the feeling of control you'll need a lot of SMV to back it up.

So the other way to just leapfrog all this is with USD.

Some ground rules

  1. Anything not bolted to the ground is fair game to be stolen.
  2. Do not eat or drink anything in the room with this person.
  3. Do not get into a serious altercation with this person.
  4. If there is a problem that comes up that can't be talked through quickly and easily, the night is over, kindly talk her down, pay her and understand your money is gone.
  5. Do not meet at your house, give personal details or use your real phone number.

This is a good starting point before you get too romantic here.

The primary hunting grounds

Again, I'm going to aim this at guys in the SMV7 or less area. If you're extremely attractive you can go anywhere. In this case, where ever you put yourself and interact with women, you set the game.

If you're on tinder, put her in the pictures too, without her face usually. That's okay, women understand that. Any woman doing a threesome with you and her is already a closet whore if she's not clear about that in dress or appearance. So she gets that game.

Where the rest of you need to focus your energy is SeekingArrangement. This is a landing ground for women who don't think they're prostitutes, but will prostitute themselves. On this point, it's critical that I remind you that you never point this out. She's a prostitute young girl in need of guidance and financial support who just wants to have fun.

Quickly why you shouldn't consider other platforms like the street, backpages (or whatever replaces it)

  1. The primary reason most women are on SA is because they are terrible at managing their lifestyle, most drug use is recreational.
  2. And so it follows that they are less likely to be drug addicts which carries a ton of issues that don't need to be explained.
  3. Many users have sane (but slut levels) sexual contact (probably in line with the average CC rider, but no more)
  4. The creation of a profile means you will at minimum be able to talk to this person. Not enjoy their company, but you'll begin to understand unless you have the foreign language barrier which can be a plus, this is going to make things horrific. At minimum, you need to be able to tell her what you want and not have her stare at you in a drug induced daze revealing a body destroyed by the street.

The primary reason why SA is a gold mine in this department is because honestly, these women are selling a valuable commodity at wholesale. They're giving their youth to you, all so they can buy a better iPhone, not work at Starbucks etc. There are a surprising number of bisexual women on the platform who are primarily oriented to gay sex with their partner who use straight sex strictly as an income source. There's all sorts of unique situations and shit you'll learn banging whores. It really lets you see what's going on in the world when you take off the patriarchal goggles. It lets you see what it's like when women aren't innocent, what it's like when they're corrupt.

And you'll learn that they need only change a few small things about themselves to be that much different than "church girl."

The process & the frame

  1. Send out messages, don't talk sex, explain at least 1 thing you like or find interesting about this person, whether or not you believe it. This is so she understands you are not a maniac, even if you are.
  2. DO NOT mention sex, it's forbidden on the platform and also violates plausible deniability.
  3. If she doesn't require you that you meet before setting up a hotel date, she is a junkie. Plan and offer accordingly.
  4. Meet her near your hotel of choice for a dinner or anything else similar to "a date", if she orders anything outrageous, you've been taken. Tell her, that's on her before the waiter leaves. Expensive wine, caviar etc. This is why a cafe is preferred. Same goes if she orders doubles or asks for takeout. Shut it down, split the bill and leave.

Your meeting has three goals. The first is to demonstrate to her that you're sane, and her the same. The second is that she's not going to try and reframe this as a long germ end goal (turning you into a mark), it has to be that night, and it's everything not "I only do...." You have to avoid being explicit, because that ruins the game. Just say "we've got a hotel and would like to have some fun, you ready to leave?" If she says yes, ask if she has any rules as the last point. Always pitch oral as assumed to be without condoms. Otherwise decide if you want your cock sucked in a plastic bag.

The pros will only care about condoms. The ones that tell you that they're scared, and look it, they're in your hands. Expect they won't use condoms unless you put it on, because they have still told themselves they're not a prostitute. Risk wise, same as any other girl is my opinion (so long as they required a meet and seem to be a little on edge). These are the bread and butter for a thressome since condoms are logistically retarded in this case.

The frame for your wifeLTRplate is easy, and it is how you should be structuring your night.

If it happens, it happens. It's about us, she's a bonus.

You will get lots of flakes, and a lot of nights that just don't work out. And when it doesn't, you're in a nice city or town with a hotel room. That sexual energy will go to good use.

Don't let a whore tell you how it's gonna be.

Don't let your little head do the talking.

When things blow up, just go do something else and stop talking about it. Laugh at them. Most of them are subliterate. Take your primary on a date to de escalate.

In the room

You lay the cash down before she arrives. You get to your underwear, invite her in that way. Point her to the envelope, direct her to the bed, take control. Be in between the cash and the bed.

If she makes an excuse to leave, you either start a fight or you accept that money is gone.

Most "cash and dash" broads will only do that if they think they can get away with it. Frame your interaction in a way that doesn't point to the fact she'd steal from you, but prevents it. She's a whore, so you don't escalate, you just get naked and tell her what to do.

Always remember if conflict is a possibility that some of these girls have hard hitting dudes waiting around the corner etc. 99.99% of the time, whatever shit you want to do if you get fucked over isn't worth it. Just calm yourself on the realization that these women are miserable wrecks. These women are RMV0 and their lives are generally enormous lies.

On this front, a highly secure hotel can sometimes let you throw a dumb whore out if they have keyed elevators and parking attached. Then maybe you can flex a little. And then maybe realize you should take your own advice. Maybe.

Other Countries

If you guys travel, this is a no brainer. Basically any non-first world country, and plenty first world countries, legalize prostitution.

In this case, this is all pretty standardized and not a whole lot of input is necessary outside of these points.

  1. 99% of the time, you're the odd man out. Be prepared for guys to oggle, for her to feel out of place or threatened. Your job with your primary is to keep her comfortable to the degree that such a thing is possible.
  2. A good portion of the time, Brothels, escort agencies etc will not be keen to service you. They just don't care and want the extra issues that come with it. Sometimes they will charge double, even if she's just switching off.

Right now, post FOSTA which was recently passed. Your best bet is to look to reviews at places like TheEroticReview to get an idea of how the action is in any country.

Do not try to setup something like this if you don't have straight forward options. You're just going to get you AND her arrested, probably end up on their local news.

If prostitution is not legal in that country, make sure you are using reviews and sticking with the sure fire bets. If your race is appealing in the country your in, consider going to the club instead. Where no language will even be necessary.

White men in Asian countries can do well. As an example.

Otherwise in countries where it is tolerated, they'll be red light districts. Outside of Amsterdam, where the atmosphere is party like, expect it to be a place very scary for her. Don't bring her there, order take out from an Escort Agency instead.

If she's an attention whore, again, do not bring her to the red light district. Even more dangerous than her being outnumbered literally 100:1 is being in that setup and then drawing a bunch of attention to herself. The clientele at a red light walk is full of angry, drunk and horny idiots, you too, right?

In Closing

Pay for play is all about logistics. For the young, beautiful and patient, a unicorn is about the experience and the emotions.

For guys that couldn't give a toss about this, or for any other reason, a hard body is on rent for the cheap. This is repeatable and you can quickly knock out all of your fetishes which really gives a huge boost in outcome independence.

You'll never see women the same again when you realize every item in your bucket list could be checked off in a year. In all honesty, things go full circle at this point when you realize the only thing a woman can offer you is the emotional rocket ship you ride in the first couple months to a year and a half. After that, it's all downhill.

Highly recommended to permanently remove your pussy goggles. She'll appreciate the monster that is birthed from this process of hardening.