The Tragic Fall of A Once Great Man

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I'm going to change around some of the details here because the guy I'm talking about is part of a very small very elite group of doctors and I just want to avoid any identification issues. I know him in a professional capacity but he's from a different institution. Honestly he got fucked up so bad this story should be covered by HIPAA laws.

So this guy, let's call him Gerald. He graduated with a dual medical degree and advanced degree from a very prestigious medical school. Bright future. Great residency. Good doctor to boot too. Now he was in school and training for a long time, but when he's done he's about 32. As a sidenote, at least for doctors, Rollo was right that you hit the peak of your game at around 34 when you've established yourself into a strong position after many many years of essentially not being allowed to have an opinion (it can happen earlier depending on specialty and exact path, anyway I digress). So Gerald is young he's on the rise when he meets a woman let's call her Lucy.

Lucy is also an academic elite. Fairly young and on her way to tenured track. She is an assistant professor at the university he's accepted a position at. He's also got a future at said school. She's 32 as well, she's running out of time. She locks him down as the "sophisticated quality woman" he's always wanted. No that he's always needed. Lucy is the "one". Mind you, Gerald is about as educated as anyone can possibly get...and he's this fucking stricken with Oneitis.

Now this next part is more conjecture, but I from what I heard this is more or less accurate. She gets him to marry her knowing that there's a position opening up for a tenured post at another university that she has a lot of connections at. The sad part is that he's on track to become a full professor one day at their current institution, they love him there. She takes her position obviously, because "feminism" or just plain self-interest I guess. And he makes the dumbass decision to double down on commitment by having a baby with her, before the move, and leaves his optimal position at an ultra ELITE medical institution to take an assistant professorship, which is the bottom of the barrel especially at an institution you have no connections at. And she now OUTRANKS him academically.

Now going on 3 years later they're both 35 their son is walking around more or less, surprise surprise, she begins to lose interest in her husband. Her husband's career is going nowhere, he can't get anything done well. Her career is taking off, she's doing way better than him. He's hopelessly dependent on her for emotional support, and she makes more money than him. She starts to hate him for kind of obvious reasons. He's BP as shit and is less successful than her during what is supposed to be his peak years.

She divorces him, takes quite a chunk of his salary, she actually somehow gets the house out of all of this (that to my understanding they both paid for), she got majority custody of the kid. And he's so BP that he actually believes that this is somehow fair. Because apparently, she "needs" his money, the kid "needs to grow up in the house he was born in", and the kid needs his "mother more than his father". The guy being totally dependent on her collapses like a lost little boy who just lost his mother. The last I heard of him he lost his job at the university and I have no idea what he's doing now.

Lucy is now banging some other BP 30 year old doctor. But she isn't marrying him I don't think. Why would she after all? She has the kid, the house, the money, and now a new man. I poured one out for this guy when I heard he lost his job. Another great man, the subject of self-sabotage and BP programming. It just goes to show you even the smartest men can be fundamentally stupid.


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Title The Tragic Fall of A Once Great Man
Author EscapeTheGoat
Upvotes 246
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Date 19 April 2018 05:42 AM UTC (3 years ago)
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[–]yellowboy212 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

being book smart and good with women are two totally different things.

one of my best friends is a genius with women and social skills are super polished... one of the dumbest dudes i know

[–]EscapeTheGoat[S] 55 points56 points  (34 children) | Copy

I find it absurd that highly educated people think that they're somehow above it all. AWALT. Never forget it.

[–]wtf793 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Half of these book worm type people never even become successful though.

[–]nester798 points9 points  (19 children) | Copy

Being a successful physician isn't just "bookworm". I'm a trauma surgeon - I was a mechanical engineer in the past. It seems very different.

A bookworm can't make decisions and can't be practical with life. Majority of physicians are (at least the alpha specialities - aka not pediatricians).

[–]Chaddeus_Rex2 points3 points  (16 children) | Copy

Majority of physicians are

Medicine is a very BP profession and has many SJW types in it. I don't know how you can say that majority of physicians are practical with life - most physicians want to get married and buy a big house, etc.

[–]Andrew543212 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Medicine is a very BP profession and has many SJW types in it.

Scratching my head how a profession can be BP or RP. Thought it was schools of thought. A friend of mine leverages the doctor thing into some kind of provider fake out pump and dump game.

[–]Chaddeus_Rex1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It can BP or RP depending upon the values that are promoted within the community. Medical education promotes very BP values.

How does your buddy avoid false rape claims given his wealth and his pump and dump game?

[–]EscapeTheGoat[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

It depends on the part of the country you're in. I have deep respect for the Texas medical school system.

[–]Chaddeus_Rex0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I have no idea about texas, as I have never lived there. Is the mentality of the people there different?

In most medical schools around the USA, the students there are very BP/SJW. For example in Yale the med students 'protested' 'microagressions' by the administration.. The medicalschool subreddit is a shitshow of sjw's too.

[–]EscapeTheGoat[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

At least when I visited the people I encountered were more conservative and were definitely more self-respecting at the very least. I wouldn't call everyone there RP or anything but when I walk into someone's office it gives you a very different impression when they have hunting trophies on the wall. They really aren't as focused on SJW stuff as other schools are. It could have just been the faculty I met though.

[–]Chaddeus_Rex1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Sounds like a great environment. Too bad you need to be a US citizen/texas resident to apply to their med schools. fml.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

I'm applying for dental school in June, I've heard so many horror stories of men (dentists) getting absolutely fuuuucked by marrying their office manager or dental assistant. Like driven to suicide by constant hen pecking, I shit you not. I just can't imagine meeting a girl who would make me consider marriage knowing that I'll only be accruing more and more status and material wealth that I can lose at her whim.

[–]Chaddeus_Rex0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

(dentists) getting absolutely fuuuucked by marrying their office manager or dental assistant

I didn't know that it doctor bros would be fucked by their office manager or assistant...dentist bros have much higher status, I dunno how they let this shit happen.

But good on you, its a smart move not to marry especially with your status and wealth on the rise.

[–]luciagarcia88180 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

If women are so demonic why are you interested in relationships with them?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I didn’t say women were demonic. I gave some anecdotal evidence of the potential risk of marrying the wrong woman, and personally don’t think marriage is a viable cost-benefit scenario for men.

[–]luciagarcia88180 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

"I've heard so many horror stories of men (that married)" "Like driven to suicide by constant hen pecking" "I'll only be accruing more and more status and material wealth that I can lose at her whim."

This is the description of a demon, a monster.

[–]nester79-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy

I live on the coasts (both East and West). My job deals with life and death in an operating room and icu on a daily basis. I have to make executive decisions on the fly. If I don't lead then the team loses confidence in my work and the patient can suffer. I can stay up for 48 hours (still and I'm around 40 years old) and still run a 5k race under 21 minutes the next day.

Sorry but some specialities require an alpha personality otherwise you couldn't handle it. We're not all the same.

[–]Chaddeus_Rex0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

. I can stay up for 48 hours (still and I'm around 40 years old)

How do you do it without having performance suffer? Coordination decreases with exhaustion. I hear its common for doctors to engage in cocaine, amphetamines and other stimulants to stay awake.

Sorry but some specialities require an alpha personality otherwise you couldn't handle it.

Makes sense. Is that why all the other specialties make fun of surgeons as being 'jocks' (particularly Ortho)?

[–]1KyfhoMyoba0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

You are an ER MD or a cutter. Right?

[–]1KyfhoMyoba0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Cutters are usually very alpha. Usually score high on Dark Triad traits, psychopathy/sociopathy esp. Internal medicine? Not so much.

[–]nester790 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yep I'm a cutter. Although I'd say icu doctors and cardiologists, though internal medicine trained are also often alpha.

[–]megamanxtc21 points22 points  (9 children) | Copy

Everything they know makes them slow on making decisions or afraid to take risk

[–]coin_pwr14 points15 points  (3 children) | Copy

The man without knowledge that takes actions will get farther than the man who knows everything but doesn't do anything.

[–]megamanxtc9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy

Risk and Reward

I'm sure we can all think of friends who have taken risk in some kind of venture and failed - we can also think of friends who have taken great risk and come out on top.

Being afraid of taking the risk will allow you to always stay "safe" but you'll never "make it big." On the other hand, you'll never "lose it all" (unless you marry a "safe" woman, who swings branches and climbs the proverbial hypergamous tree; taking your house and car with them)

[–]Chaddeus_Rex6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

(unless you marry a "safe" woman, who swings branches and climbs the proverbial hypergamous tree; taking your house and car with them)

Well we get a little paradox here:

-If you stay with a 'safe' woman and don't take risks she will branch swing and take your house and car.

-If you take risks and fail, she will branch swing and take your house and car. By being a natural risk taker, however, you will be far more likely to recover and she will want to return.

-If you take risks and win, she won't branch swing but you will have a harem.

The solution then? Take risks. The law of large numbers says that eventually you will win.

[–]megamanxtc1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

The solution then? Take risks. The law of large numbers says that eventually you will win.

Very wise advice. Remember your lows, enjoy your highs.

[–]luciagarcia88180 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

So knowledge makes them stupid?

[–]megamanxtc0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

It makes them err to safety, and caution. They'll go for the slow but steady or sure bet over a higher-risk with potentially higher payout.

[–]luciagarcia88180 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

So you are saying that instead of taking a relationship slowly and getting to know his partner is a worse course of action than investing all in an ambiguous situation?

[–]nester790 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

"Indecision kills" is a saying we have in the OR. Sorry but we're not indecisive.

Ever had to manage an aortic hemorrhage from a gunshot wound? Do that first then tell me you can make decisions on the fly.

[–]pplay_3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is a poor generalization based on an undefined use of the word successful. Some of the wealthiest most powerful people I know are book worms and/or highly educated.

[–]Chaddeus_Rex0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Because there are book smarts and there are street smarts. The problem is that book smarts do not teach street smarts, but street smarts can teach you book smarts.

So in short, if you had to pick one ALWAYS pick street smarts. Book smarts will come if you need them.

[–]1Mr_Badass37 points38 points  (3 children) | Copy

Agree. Emotional intelligence and Academic intelligence are two different things.

[–]AnteesAntaas30 points31 points  (1 child) | Copy

I think social intelligence is what you meant there.

Regardless, social intelligence is more important than academic intelligence most of the time.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy

I see this a lot actually. I think there's a connection between sensitivity and "emotional intelligence" that leads to BP traits. Whereas a man who tends to be sensitive would take it very seriously when they are told to be respectful of women and always be the nice guy, Gymbro thinks to himself, "lol fuck that" and does what he wants.

One of my closest friends can barely form a correct sentence but he is somehow like my living breathing TRP sidebar reference. He didn't read about it, think about it, or have to do any kind of deep introspection. He just knows what gets results and acts.

This is why I am really starting to believe the JP hype that postmodernism is truly leaking into every aspect of society. Intelligent men are being neutered before they can even contribute their skills. It is such a shame.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

As an "intelligent type", we have salvation but it's difficult and takes years of analysing oneself while adjusting + trial and error.

I can see how how it is easier to give up. I wouldn't blame people if they did. Sometimes your whole sense of reality must be destroyed it's like having a bad-trip/ego-death that takes months to go away.

[–]SKRedPill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The problem with BP guys apart from everything else is also this - they think others are being truthful and know what they're talking about. Well, that's as naive as they can get.

Modern society and education sees smart guys and trains them to be beta basically.

[–]1Entropy-74 points5 points  (11 children) | Copy

I agree. On the other hand, the guy with the best game I have ever seen has a 143 IQ, a law degree and an MD and makes $350k+ as an ER doctor working 8 days a month. Plus, he is overweight.

[–]yellowboy212 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

i was trying to make a point that being educated and book smart doesn’t always correlate to social intelligence or being attractive to girls

how overweight? dad bod or obese?

idc how tight your game is dj khaled type nigga will never fuck on the strength of his game

[–]1Entropy-71 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy

I agree, I agree, I agree

He is more than dad bod but not clinically obese. I would say "pudgy".

You lost me on your last point.

[–]yellowboy212 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

the point is i hate when trp and pua say you can get any girl if your game is tight enough

it’s not true. no woman will be attracted to an obese man no matter how rp he is

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

ehhhh, beg to differ. There's some big dudes out there who slay regularly.

[–]yellowboy212 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

are you fat? you seem offended

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Lol no, how do I seem offended?

[–]Endorsed ContributorThotwrecker0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Why does it make you so mad that TRP / PUA say this?

This is the better question - it doesn't really matter if obese men can fuck through sheer non-physical SMV (status, money, game, personality, fame, etc). We know some of them can, and we also that being fat is a huge, huge minus, even if you have game.

but the better question is why do you (and your general crowd who talk about looksmaxing and how game doesn't matter) feel so strongly about it? Did a fat dude fuck your bitch? Are you fat and pissed off that other fatties have found a way to get their dick wet?

Is it just to hard to understand that being fat is a huge penalty, but if you're top %er in other areas, women will and do overlook it?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I read somewhere once that there are two kinds of people when it comes to learning things; Instruction-readers and tinkerers. First type will read first to get a mental picture of the situation and them they'll move on and play a bit, then they will read a bit more and repeat while integrating both informations.

Tinkerers prefer to learn as they go.

Both will learn wharever they set their minds to it's only the methodology that changes a bit.

[–]writewhereileftoff0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

An er doctor working 8days a month? How does that happen? Where I come from all our doctors are pretty much overworked.

[–]Believeinyourflyness2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Is your friend's name Joey Tribbiani?

[–]SKRedPill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The problem with BP guys apart from everything else is also this - they think others are being truthful and know what they're talking about. Well, that's as naive as they can get.

Modern society and education sees smart guys and trains them to be beta basically, robbing them of the need or time to cultivate street smarts, until the Red Lightning hits (not everyone emerges unscathed and more aware though). Guys who weren't book smart learnt to compensate by working with things and people and strengthening their bodies as well - I mean, there is an actual term called 'nerd neck'.

Now it's not that a smart guy can't pick up social truth quickly - but their preconditioning is hard to deal with. I remember seeing people who were pathological liars for the first time in my life and wondered how on earth is that possible? Oh well, that was just the beginning.... probably the biggest shock of all was to realize the kind of power plays that exist in the closest personal relationships. That was when I began to wake up.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon32 points33 points  (9 children) | Copy

The narrative says that women are supportive and if you give them everything they'll appreciate and repay it.

Reality is that you always have to be above her or she'll lose respect for you. Give up your career for her and you're fucked. If you marry her, or have a child with her.... legally you may have little choice.

It's like our legal system is specifically designed to give women the emotional and legal power to fuck us over.

She divorces him, takes quite a chunk of his salary, she actually somehow gets the house out of all of this (that to my understanding they both paid for),

Of course. The court system gives her the child, sees her as a vulnerable mother with a child she to be taken care of, so of course SHE gets the house.

If it was really about the child, he'd get the house back 18 years later and she'd owe him rent. Really it's about the mother, which is why she's given it.

Because apparently, she "needs" his money, the kid "needs to grow up in the house he was born in", and the kid needs his "mother more than his father"

Yes, this is the view of the courts.

The last I heard of him he lost his job at the university and I have no idea what he's doing now.

Likely in prison for non payment of alimony and child support due to loss of job. The UK is slightly less unfair than the US here - loss of job means less payments owed.

Lucy is now banging some other BP 30 year old doctor. But she isn't marrying him I don't think. Why would she after all? She has the kid, the house, the money, and now a new man.

If she remarries, first guy is off the hook for alimony. Responsibility for her transfers to new husband.

It just goes to show you even the smartest men can be fundamentally stupid.

Stupid? No... duped from birth by parents, friends, girlfriends, news, films and print media all shouting the same message: "put her first, it's the right thing to do, and she'll repay your generosity, or else you're an evil abuser".

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

The narrative says that women are supportive and if you give them everything they'll appreciate and repay it.

Classic denial of Briffault's law:

Past benefit provided by the male does not provide for continued or future association.

[–]Intentional692 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy

My question is, if this is the direction society stays in and it all leads to Chaos, what the fuck is the end game if everyone loses? Or am I missing something?

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

Women think they're winning, and they believe this is progress.

It makes them less happy, but they don't know that. No woman ever said "give me less power so I can respect my man more". They want more power, but it causes them to lose respect for others and be unhappy, but that isn't what their instincts are telling them. Their instincts say "it's all men's fault, men need to do more for me" and so that's how she acts and votes.

The end game isn't chaos, it's male enslavement - and they're doing very well at it.

[–]dickhead2430 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

no women are attracted to power like men are attracted to big tits. if a chick becomes ugly to a man a mans gonna ditch her and if a man becomes ugly to a chick a chicks gonna ditch him. we are all narcissists which primarily think we deserve maximum dopamine and will ultimately be in endless pursuit of more of of it, especially if we seemed to have more of it in the past.

[–]Blahsighblah2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

There are people who would like to see the western world burn and this is how they are doing it. They want to create massive division in the west and are funding these movements to do it. While we bully them physically with weapons, violence and threat of war, they are socially, emotionally and economically destroying us.

[–]1KyfhoMyoba0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

The narrative says that women are supportive and if you give them everything they'll appreciate and repay it.

Briffalut's Law (sidebar) says otherwise. See Rollo's post on Two Sets of Books or something to that effect.

Women have no memory of their obligations. Yours, of course. But not theirs.

[–]RedGunnera51 points52 points  (0 children) | Copy

Posts like these make me glad that I found TRP when I did - very insightful account of how beta conditioning can lead to an unhappy and unsuccessful life. Let’s all strive to not be like Gerald.

[–]soredx21 points22 points  (1 child) | Copy

Tragically for me, now on my forties, my life story is too similar to Gerald. Discovered TRP some months ago and I will try to salvage what is possible for the future.

Started by breaking up a new LTR of about one year in which I was BP beyond salvation some weeks ago. Alas, didn't get a single plate before the break up, so now I'm dry... Hope that applying TRP will make me a better man and get to my fifties on top of the game!

Thanks OP for your story.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

that's the beautiful thing about being a man, there's always a path forward if you're brave enough to take it.

[–]ManSoldWorld19 points20 points  (3 children) | Copy

The fucked up thing is that this is exactly how I pictured my life to play out before.

Now? Fuck that. I'm in this world for me, not some bitch.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy

I’m in this world for me, not some bitch.

Well said. We should all read these words every morning when we get up.

I’m sure Gerald is wishing he would have lived by those words as well.

[–]ManSoldWorld 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

It's not just that I'm not doing this for some bitch either. I'm not doing this for anyone but myself.

You know, for nearly the first 19 years of my life (I turn 19 on Sunday, started following TRP back in early to mid March), I felt like I always had to answer to others and please them before I could please myself. After a really low period last semester, where I had to withdraw to deal with some suicidal tendencies, I came back this semester, and I'm doing better now, but all I could feel was anger that I let my life get to that point. The point where I felt death was better than living. Eventually, while typing angry things into Google to find Reddit posts to deal with it, I found this sub, and the rest is history.

Now, after withdrawing last semester with horrible mental health issues, I'm on pace to get a 4.0 this semester, be more than eligible to enter the business school to study either Supply Chain Management or Accounting, to bring my weight down to about 140 lbs from 161 two months ago, and be more confident than ever before. And the best part? All of this is coming from a place of self-love; I'm able to do all of this because I don't give a shit what anybody else thinks.

I'm so sorry that happened to Gerald; from what you described, it seems like he's a good, intelligent guy at heart, but he put his faith in the wrong person (or, ho, given what you described of her). I have a friend who sounds just like him: insanely intelligent, has 2-3 cardiovascular publications attributed to his name (and we're both only 19), and he's starting to attend to his body more too. I just wish he'd change his mind about the blue-pilled "happily ever after" narrative that keeps getting tossed in. During the summer of 2017, he was so worried about how to properly end a connection with this one girl; meanwhile, there were only implied feelings, and there never was a real connection to begin with. I shit you not, I drove him to McDonald's so he could buy her food for a meeting they were going to have, and that meeting lasted for like 2 hours. I was his ride, and another mutual friend was her ride, and we were just fucking around on the swings the whole time lmao. But, regardless of that, he's still my best friend.

[–]Ultra8882 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Good for you bro. It's never too late to start RP but the earlier the better. You have great things ahead of you.

[–]Sluggish_affect16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy

Hello people,

I have only recently discovered TRP. I have been perusing and have found much of what is said here to be bang on the money. I have not been fucked over like Gerald was but like many here before I have had my fair share of beta moments.

A good warning especially for the uninitiated like me and I will be sure to keep learning about shit like this.

[–]xseiber4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Jesus, 8/10 that kid’s going to end up being a shooter or something slightly less than that if he doesn’t get a RP father-figure.

[–]cafeitalia16 points17 points  (4 children) | Copy

No way in hell a 32 year old will be on a tenure track just like that and from two separate schools. Phd takes 4 years at minimum to complete. Undergrad done at 22, masters at 24, PhD at 28. Start job at 29. In 3 years you either need to have a shit ton of publications to be on a tenure track or you are in a shitty no name college. So much so flawed.

And her banging a 30 year old doctor? Lol. Visit hospitals and count all the 30 year old doctors. You will be lucky to find one. What kind of med school are they going to? Two year schools with two year residencies? Sounds like an episode from Grey's anatomy.

[–]MomentumRising7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

I am in the medical field, and most folks in my age group are resident doctors at 26 (18+4+4). They will be doing their residency. If you really want to be technical with it. They will be attending doctors at 29+ (3-5+). MD-PHD dual degree usually takes around 6-8 years (so medical school +/- (2-4)) Most of the doctors you see in the ER are residents, and they probably look older because of stress. First person account.

[–]Chaddeus_Rex3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

No way in hell a 32 year old will be on a tenure track just like that and from two separate schools. Phd takes 4 years at minimum to complete.

Actually its possible if he did an MD/PhD, which seems likely from the story. In the MD/PhD program you get your PhD while working on an MD in about the same amount of time as getting an MD (4-5 years).

And her banging a 30 year old doctor?

In Canada, I have a friend who finished MacMaster Medical School (3 year program - 36 months, no summers) who finished med school by 25 and is doing a plastic surgery residency right now and will be done it by 30. So its possible.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

The whole story reeks of BS.

[–]EscapeTheGoat[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I don't think the guy she's now banging is an attending. He's a resident, still technically a doctor, he graduated from medical school after all.

A lot of people at least from my experience if you graduate from a good enough college like top 20 or something, you can go straight into PhD. I have several friends who went straight into one or even straight into medical school at age 22.

As for Lucy, I more meant that she had a tenure position in her future. I'm sure she wasn't necessarily going to make tenure that quickly at her original one which is why she wanted to move.

[–]huge_gap3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Only critique is you didn't put TM (trademark) after "sophisticated quality woman"

[–]enkae73172 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

The smartest men are probably the MOST stupid with regards to dating and sex culture. They spend 90-95% of their free time studying and not socializing. They pour their LIFE and soul into their profession. I have known pre-meds and doctors in medical school that barely go out to drink or eat with others. They study an ungodly amount of hours a day and have little to no interaction with anyone else besides their classmates or professors. They are also extremely socially inept (especially if they're a minority group).

I'm not generalizing all doctors though. Some probably have damn good game and a good career to back it up.

[–]AManIsBusy 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

As much as you want to demonize them based upon their lacking 'game', you have to at least appreciate that these are the people upon which society is built. Maybe getting a better deal for people who work hard is something we can improve as a society. I think that's what the conservative movement is often based upon.

[–]enkae73170 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Oh no. I'm not demonizing them for lacking game. In fact I think it'd be great if they had game or knew RP material. That way they wouldn't find a girl that takes them for all they got and get nothing in the end. Some of these guys are even OKAY with that idea of losing everything in custody battles.

I'm merely stating the fact that a lot of these guys normally lack experience and skills necessary to know better. So when they meet one of these girls that "act" all nice to them they'll latch on at a moments notice only to get fucked in the end later on.

[–]nester792 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Ortho is pretty alpha too. They just forget all their medicine and science...as a stereotype.

I don't take amphetamines or stimulants. Most of us don't - we aren't stockbrokers...we tend to have more mental fortitude.

I'd say over the years I've become more tired after long surgeries and staying up late. I rest and relax as much as possible. When I recharge I recharge 100% - no half assing. I exercise every single fucking day. That means either a good 1 hour weight routine, a run (5k-10k), or a swim (half mile to 1000 yards). I also practice mindfulness before sleep every day.

No supplements besides a vitamin and coffee.

Work hard play hard.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Tiger Woods syndrome.

Tiger Woods did nothing but perfect his golf game until he was an adult which left him with little time to learn about women. This was probably a factor in his marrying a bush-league model/nanny (Elin Nordegren) and taking himself off the market at the very time he should have been a single man on top of the world and drowning in non-stop supermodel pussy.

Worked out well for Elin - $100 million divorce settlement.

[–]DatAEK9714 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy

Idiot Gerald is a textbook nerd. No game, no experience. If Gerald wasn't a doctor, he would literally never get laid. These ultra nerd, delta types are such easy marks. Women can smell them 100s of miles away. Easy, peasy. I see this in young professionals a lot. Millennial men were to helicopter patented and babied to much. They got to many participation trophies and played to much soccer.

It makes nerdy, weak no game men. This has got to change.

[–]mainer34511 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy

leave soccer out of this pussy boy

[–]nester790 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yah seriously what's up with that?!

[–]EscapeTheGoat[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Dude just imagine though. And I think about this myself sometimes too. What if he had just woken up to RP, what if he had just lifted, what if he just didn't fucking get sucked in, what if he just tried a little to stand up for himself? I used to think I was safe, being mid 20s doctor myself. Definitely not the case.

[–]Jman19946780 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

At least give us a description of what Gerald looks like

[–]hammerhearth3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

[–]snickersandapepsi0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'm curious and just Hypothetically speaking here, what could/should a "Gerald" do when found in his current situation? Is there any way to win or at least lose less when found in this or similar situations or is it too far gone, ie. start tasting gun barrels?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Made me remember the movie The Squid and The Whale.

[–]Ultra8880 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This is basically my life story except I was a high school drop out lmao. All the shit with the woman and kid happened to me too haha. Water under the bridge now. Blessing in disguise.

[–]FrancisNevettshire0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

I take away from this that two high-career people are very difficult to join into one family because their opportunities will always be just geographically too far apart from one another.

A man can accordingly choose a woman of low education (nurses can work in any hospital, clerks in any store in any town, ...) A career woman can't. I feel sorry for them.

[–]AManIsBusy 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

A man can accordingly choose a woman of low education (nurses can work in any hospital, clerks in any store in any town, ...) A career woman can't. I feel sorry for them.

Technically, why can't they? I bet, in the cases where a woman did make such a decision, you'd find the instances of cheating are at baseline or perhaps even lower.

I think the decision is more on the man's side. Do I want to pursue someone with high career standing any more than a woman with a lower career standing? If I said that I do value that, then now I've given a professional woman a reason to look more at me. I'm valuing who they are. The reality though is that most men don't care that much about a woman's career, so we have given a professional woman no reason to consider 'marrying down'.

Sorry, I'm being long-winded.

[–]FrancisNevettshire0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Technically, why can't they?

It's not about technical possibilities. The problem is that a woman in general cannot fall in love, respect, or bring herself to love/respect/admire/care for a man of lower social standing - just like I couldn't even if I wanted to, love a fat woman.

A STEM-educated woman is like a man in a world of fatties. It isn't her fault that she is academically smart and was capable of finishing a prestigious degree. You couldn't advise her not to finish her degree, like you can't advise the fit man to become fat as to lower his standards naturally. But she will have a much harder time finding happiness in love because her pool is so small. Moreover, like I said, I believe two professionals are harder to combine into a functioning couple than a professional man and a common girl woman; because two professionals will have their greatest opportunities in geographically different locations.

[–]TheRedPrince990 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

As a aspiring Doc, this opened my eyes

[–]Andrew543210 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

He strings them along saying he’s unsure if he wants them around for life. Secretly, he’ll never actually make a definitive choice.

[–]circlingldn0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Holy fuck lucy is a house printing machine....another 30 year old doc...i know where this is going

who needs real estate investing lessons?

[–]ichivictus0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

My mom and dad got divorced for something similar. There was a time my dad was laid off, and my mom started working. Even though my dad was making more through unemployment than my mom was working just a little over minimum wage, my dad was very insecure and it led to lots of fights.

He was insecure that my once homeschooling stay-at-home mom was now a little more independent and to keep the home, she needed to work. Instead of him working harder on his own life, he got fat, insecure, and became an asshole to me and my siblings. We all turned against him and a few years later, even though he got his job back and my mom became a stay-at-home mom again, they got divorced.

She told me that the fights were the nail in the coffin at that point. Or perhaps, it was the light-switch effect. Who knows.

Knowing all these lessons, if I was the man OP is talking about, I would have put my foot down on staying on my track towards my own success and let nothing stop that. Most likely, she would appreciate that and stick with me.

But the point I wanted to make with my anecdote is that there are times in a marriage that things might be hard, or she might be making more money, or whatever. Never lose frame or you will lose everything.

[–]LightFarron0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

What if I told you that in reality Chaddad doesn’t exist? What if I told you that Chaddad is actually much younger that a lot of the alphas he’s encountered. What if told you that this unusual true lone wolf. Has read and applied all of the knowledge all the alphas gave and played them in their own game. Chaddad doesn’t have time for alphas he plays by his own rules, maybe he was out fucking chad’s mom, sisters,daughters or any other plate he wants, maybe he has mastered and perfected everything he’s learned and now he’s just looking for revenge.

See the light for what it is, is it real? Or was it placed in order to test something?

A wolf in a sheep disguise.

[–]Sumsar010 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Highly educated people are in higher danger of onitis. Because if you want a women who equal you there are some many fewer to pick from.

[–]rebrande-1 points0 points  (9 children) | Copy

I'm gonna have to call bullshit on the taking salary part. If the woman was really earning more, she would HAVE to pay alimony to the man. I know we love to circlejerk about being victims of the legal system a lot here but I know for a fact that the court is not THAT fucked.

If he really earned less than her all he has to do is show his paychecks and compare them to hers, custody and housing wouldn't be in his favor but he would actually get a chunk of her salary (happens rarely bc women seldom outearn their spouses). Then again considering how beta he seemed he probably just lied about his wife earning more because it made her look "better" or some faggot shit like that.

[–]HS-Thompson[🍰] 7 points8 points  (6 children) | Copy

This is just factually incorrect. Most money exchanged in divorces is child support not alimony. They could easily conclude that both are making enough money so no alimony is needed for either, but that he should pay substantial child support if she takes the primary custody role. This arrangement is extremely common, and most people use the terms for support and alimony interchangeably since it's just money to the spouse either way.

[–]Livecrazyjoe1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is exactly what happens. The state doesn't care. They give the support to the women first.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Child support is not money to the spouse; child support is money for the child.

most people use the terms for support and alimony interchangeably

Most people are idiots.

[–]HS-Thompson[🍰] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Child support is not money to the spouse; child support is money for the child.

lol ok

You've never actually been involved in an actual divorce situation right?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

You've never actually been involved in an actual divorce situation right?

Only about 1,000 times over the last 25 years of law practice.

[–]HS-Thompson[🍰] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Not in the US then I'm guessing, because the reality is that child support is almost invariably given to the spouse (generally the wife) completely unconditionally.

And from the perspective of the moneyed husband it makes little fucking difference why they are writing a check for X a month, just that they are. Sure there are differences, like when the payment schedule expires and so on, but the money isn't "for" anything -- once that check is cashed and in the wife's hands she can, and will, spend it on whatever the fuck she wants.

[–]EscapeTheGoat[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

OK I consulted the court records of their divorce which is public info, he's paying child support. No alimony tho apparently due to "mutual waiver".

[–]EscapeTheGoat[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

The sad part about it is I think he wanted to give some to her. This was a guy who talked a lot about "honor".

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm gonna have to call bullshit on the taking salary part. If the woman was really earning more, she would HAVE to pay alimony to the man.

Not with a child to support.



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