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Met a post-wall woman divorcing her husband she “loves”. Blew my mind validating Red Pill

by Cissnowflake on /r/TheRedPill
26 April 2018 02:51 PM UTC

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So I’m out eating alone and I meet a couple of women. They are both post-wall, I’m not attracted, but talking to them because they are at the counter next to me.

One is a large black woman, who doesn’t say anything about her relationship status. The other is a blond, late 30s, probably pretty hot in her peak years but her looks scream “declining SMV” at this point. Still fit, nice rack, but clearly not what she once was. She doesn’t have youth and as you all know, with a woman there is NO SUBSTITUTE for youth.

And apparently she doesn’t know it.

So this chick starts telling me about how she’s currently divorcing her husband, but get this: She tells me she still loves him, they get along great, they are great partners in life, great friends, and could be great business partners.

I’m thinking, fuck, and you’re divorcing this dude at 38 years old?

She tells me she’s divorcing him because, basically, she’s bored. She doesn’t feel the spark anymore. The passion is gone.

(And clearly she thinks she can hop back on that Alpha cock without any difficulty, just like when she was 23.)

So here’s this chick, she’s gonna divorce this loving devoted beta, to get pumped and dumped by men and end up wondering where all the good men went as she lives alone with her cats.

It was incredible for me to see this validation of Red Pill truths. In the olden days, it seems like other women (especially older women) would be telling this girl to get her head together and stay with her loving, devoted husband. Now the world is telling her that she deserves nothing but the best, and must go seeking it, even though doing so will probably be the most regretted decision she ever makes.

I got nothing else, I just couldn’t believe my fuckin’ ears when I was hearing this shit.

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Title Met a post-wall woman divorcing her husband she “loves”. Blew my mind validating Red Pill
Author Cissnowflake
Upvotes 965
Comments 330
Date 26 April 2018 02:51 PM UTC (1 year ago)
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638 upvotesBarvazon1 year ago

It terrifies that one could lose so much of his life's work because she is bored

386 upvotesCissnowflake [OP]1 year ago

If you insist on getting married, be sure to remember: the game never ends

168 upvotesAggressive_Beta1 year ago

No, if you insist on getting married, be sure to remember: don’t get married

73 upvotesLintmin1 year ago

if you insist on getting married

The game just ended and you lost

9 upvotesvolunteervancouver1 year ago

Gotta put this in

1 upvotesReformed651 year ago

Marriage is completely off the table. The issue is that whatever seems appealing about marriage can be changed without your consent. Let's say the Government says that in the event of a divorce, couples get 50/50 split on everything, you think still marry her. 5 years later, you get told that it's no longer 50%, it's now 75% in the wife's favour "to tackle gender inequality", you'll say "wtf man I didn't sign up for this" and the Government will shrug its shoulders, your wife will laugh as she can feel the power tingling her pussy, she's going to make these references "So...Bob, if I was to divorce you I'd now get 75% of everything, oh haha" and then, bam she divorces you a month later.

You can't even game other girls if you are legally married, because before your girl knows that she can't do shit if you're going around fucking other girls, but once you're married she'll pull the dreaded "Do that again and I'll divorce you."

Guys, if a girl wants to marry you, get a piece of paper and a pen, and write marriage promises, sign it and get the girl to sign it, done you're now "married" which is good enough for you, and should be good enough for her.

^(Psst, burn it as soon as she looks away.)

1 upvoteschris10_91311 year ago

Actually, don't do this either. In some states, unmarried couples are treated as having an implied contract--if you literally write it down, you're making it an express contract and transforming the relationship into something where one partner can say to a judge, oh s/he promised to support me and I made XYZ sacrifice, so I deserve current assets and future income.

8 upvotesMrGurabo1 year ago

Whats legally stopping the husband in “losing” his money or assets? Like stash all your money in an investment or a retirement account? Does your wife get 50/75% of those accounts too? How can a guy protect himself?

24 upvotesAloofusMaximus1 year ago

You don't think the legal system has access to your bank accounts? Depending on how you act/what you do... they'll still get it (or you'll go to jail, and they'll still take it).

It's pretty damn tough to keep a previously owned asset "segregated" during a marriage. Typically if at any point there's commingling, then it can be viewed as marital assets.

Basically the only way to protect yourself is to not get legally married in the first place, or have a rock solid prenup.

14 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

Agree. And let’s not forget about that secret cash stash that every man should have. Purely cash, no return, and no gub’ment to report it to.

20 upvotesMisterRoid1 year ago

It's not safe to have cash lying around, especially in countries where the currency is changed once in a while to prevent people from having money without big daddy government knowing about it. In Sweden we have gotten new bank notes and coins twice in the past 10 years...

8 upvotesscissor_me_timbers001 year ago

could you conceivably withdraw the money from the accounts and store the cold hard cash somewhere? Or would the courts sleuth that out too?

3 upvotesPestilence19111 year ago

Just withdraw money over time and exchange it for larger bills when you go to Walmart.

1 upvotesAloofusMaximus1 year ago

I would imagine it depends on how fancy her lawyer would want to get (with someone like a forensic accountant). Usually when they look for people trying to dump assets they go back X number of years. It would probably be kind of hard to hide any significant portion from her unless you had separate finances from the start.

4 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

Doesn't always apply. In Germany if you live with someone for 2 years, you are "married" and the same "divorce" rules (regarding goods) apply. Welcome to the new world.

1 upvotesomega_fat1 year ago

Legal system is not al-mighty al-seeing al-lah so in other words, yes you can stash money in a few different ways. There other contries not just US of A, gold, cryptos, ways to get other identities. Hard but well doable.

1 upvotesbipedalsentient1 year ago

Give it to your parents. If you trust them that is. If you know you know.

1 upvotesThe__Tren__Train1 year ago

you'd get raped by a forensic accountant whose is to find shit like this

How can a guy protect himself?

by never getting married... holy fuck how are you not getting this?

0 upvotesLibertarian_Gamer1 year ago

Protect yourself with crypto.

-2 upvotesacidicbitchdotcom1 year ago

Adultery actually used to be a crime, and in some places it still is. One of the few areas we've made progress recently.

1 upvotesReformed651 year ago

We haven't made progress at all. Adultery was a crime because it ensured that the society remained pure, it ensured that any cheating whores would get punished because her actions have a risk of corruption the wives of these men. Likewise, an alpha Chad fucking random women would also get punished because those men don't want Chad fucking their wives.

If Adultery gets criminalised now, it's not the people enforcing the law, it's not your neighbour or relatives, it's the Government, the judges, the same guys that fuck us in Divorce courts. A woman cheats? "Her man wasn't being a good husband!" "Fair enough, you're free to go!" A man cheats? "His wife wasn't giving him sex that he deserves!" "PIG! A man is to love his wife, not to see as a sex object!! GUILTY!"

51 upvotesSizzlecheeks1 year ago

Adultery was a crime because paternity fraud has always been around, but maternity fraud is impossible.

Consider this: it is unreasonable to expect a man to support another man's kids. But, he will work himself to death supporting his own kids. And civilization has always depended on the hard labor of men - and still, largely, does.

If a woman has children that don't belong to her husband, he, reasonably, sits down and will refuse to work. Crops don't get harvested, buildings don't get built, society is harmed. This is why adultery in ancient times carried the death penalty.

1 upvotesdgillz1 year ago

Newsflash - Adultery still is a crime in 21 states.

9 upvotesShitArchonXPR1 year ago

If Adultery gets criminalised now, it's not the people enforcing the law, it's not your neighbour or relatives, it's the Government, the judges, the same guys that fuck us in Divorce courts. A woman cheats? "Her man wasn't being a good husband!" "Fair enough, you're free to go!" A man cheats? "His wife wasn't giving him sex that he deserves!" "PIG! A man is to love his wife, not to see as a sex object!! GUILTY!"

Exhibit A: the time a Mormon bishop said that if your wife has a dream of you cheating on her, you're guilty cheating on her because of that. Even patriarchal anti-woman religions like the LDS effectively cockblock and screw over salt-of-the-earth providers. Criminalizing adultery now would only affect men stuck in DeadBedrooms, not Carol and Stacy.

4 upvotesscissor_me_timbers001 year ago

Ha are you exmormon? I am, and it’s totally fascinating in conjunction with TRP knowledge weighing the pro-TRP and anti-TRP elements of the religion and how they can totally headfuck a guy (for example, me).

-17 upvotesacidicbitchdotcom1 year ago

The system is against men in plenty of ways, but adultery not being a crime is progress.

1 upvotesReformed651 year ago

And I hope it stays that way, because whether it becomes criminalised either by the government or stigmatised by the media to the point of mass shaming just as we see with "hate speech", it's only men who are going to get punished, while women get to have a pat on the back and a bunch of " You go girl! You a strong and Independent wymen!"

0 upvotesasdasda54531 year ago

adulterys punishment is acid to the face that is progress

1 upvotesEl_Diablito1 year ago

There's a reason why marriage is called TRP on Hardcore mode.

35 upvotesAggressive_Beta1 year ago

No it’s not. Marriage is called being a dumbass. LTRs are TRP on hard mode.

22 upvotestruedemocracy31 year ago

If you want to raise a family then marriage is the best solution. Sorry but it is a valid option for many here. I'm not married FWIW but did come from a single parent household and that shit is one of the reasons society is going down the toilet. And no, a quality woman will not have kids with you and raise a family without marriage

1 upvotesSummer_of_891 year ago

You’re talking to a brick wall here. This sub is literally just the male side of feminism. It’s pathetic.

The goal of any man should be to have and raise quality children. Not just for your own benefit, but for society’s as well. Neither you nor civilization doesn’t survive without new generations. Doing this requires marrying a quality woman.

Enlightened men don’t fall for feminism - it’s simply a psychological weapon used to turn men and women against each other and make society infertile. Traditional gender roles are necessary for a healthy civilization and must be strictly upheld.

1 upvotesAggressive_Beta1 year ago

Feel free to explain why marriage is necessary to raise quality children

6 upvotesIamJonSnow221 year ago

Literally the only reason I ever want to get married is so I can start and raise a family. I absolutely agree with you that a child needs a two person household. Both the masculine and the feminine to guide them. I think most in this sub are younger 20 year olds so obviously they think about things differently (such as never get married, etc). And I get it. If it wasn't for kids I would think marriage is completely foolish.

For those looking to get married its absolutely imperative you live according to the Red Pill as that is the only way you will land a quality women. And maintain frame consistently.

2 upvotesAggressive_Beta1 year ago

You don’t need marriage to have a nuclear family with a higher quality woman. Have fun getting divorce raped and making alimony payments

1 upvotesDonutHoles41 year ago

child needs a two person household. Both the masculine and the feminine to guide them

You can raise a great family with only one parent.

BUT that parent has to be an oustanding individual for it to work.

Its easier said than done.

1 upvotesadam_varg1 year ago

And thats why half of dudes who put trp together originally are married men, iirc some founders and ecs of this sub are too.

1 upvotesAggressive_Beta1 year ago

And also why all of them say to never get married

1 upvotesadam_varg1 year ago

because as rule of thumb its bad idea

however depending on your location it can be better for you to get married when you want kids

your mistake is taking anything here at face value, or even worse use trp advice as dogma instead of rule of thumb.. one of main rules is 'think for yourself' for a reason

2 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

Being a dumbass.. on Hardcore mode.

7 upvotesThorsdaySaturnday1 year ago

Am married, can confirm that the game never ends, and nor should it. Honestly it's what keeps the spark in our marriage. Hubby never loses his frame, always keeps me in line, which is such a turn on. We regularly have hot sex and I love going down on him because he is my king and he deserves it.

3 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

Thanks for your input. Basically confirms everything stated in all the texts. Some men are naturals at this, while others have to develop this skill. Keeping frame in the way you mention would drive me crazy. I want a woman who is in control of herself.. I don't want to have to live my entire life disciplining my kids and having to keep my wife in line like she's a kid who can't control her emotional outbursts. I'll pump and dump instead.

Basically this woman is what all women are genetically driven to want.. though some women admittedly do seek beta males because they want "yes men" and want to wear the pants... this is well documented. They do this for resource extraction however.. they don't really respect or desire these men.. I'm preaching to the choir posting this here though. :)

2 upvotesThorsdaySaturnday1 year ago

Agree with you on all counts. Didn't think it needed to be mentioned, but you do have to be a man who is willing to walk away from women who repeatedly goes into emotional outbursts and never learns from her mistakes. I reign in my emotions for the most part because I want my husband to look forward to coming home to a happy loving wife and not start looking elsewhere for greener pastures. As with all relationships we do disagree from time to time and if we have issues we talk it out.

1 upvotes399oly1 year ago

While it is true that a pre nep doesn’t hold water if ones assets are in a trust it is impossible for them to be taken from you

1 upvotesA_confusedlover1 year ago

I'm late to the party but let me chime in. This doesn't scale across cultures. India, Japan and other mildly conservative cultures still view divorce as an extreme step that almost no one ever takes. Marriages tend to last forever and if there are issues they're sorted out or tolerated.

44 upvotesThe__Tren__Train1 year ago

no need to be terrified tbh... just don't get married

37 upvotesHumanSockPuppet1 year ago

The solution is simple, yet so few heed our words.

It really is like witnessing a train wreck sometimes.

11 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

Seriously this. Everyone wants to take TRP and try to use parts of it to fit into getting married. Foolish. Not possible.

15 upvotesEthifury1 year ago

What should I do if I want kids?

30 upvotesHumanSockPuppet1 year ago
  1. Have biological children with a woman, but accept that they're only your kids in the genetic sense. If anything goes wrong, the law will give them to her.

  2. Adopt non biological children.

  3. Have "children by proxy" - nephews and nieces, rather than children of your own.

  4. Get a dog instead.

18 upvotesWerewolf35b1 year ago

Lol "Adopt non-White children"

Yes this will surely satisfy your desire to carry on you family name. Surely.

9 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

#5. Party with younger women until you're about 60, then marry a rich, well preserved widow with a large, loving family. Sugar baby game on the side. That's my plan, anyway.

-1 upvotesEthifury1 year ago

Quick question, even though women are AWALTs, is it different for foreign women? Haven’t seen any posts that talk about those women compared to american women.

9 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

Don't get married.

Technically possible to have kids without being married.

8 upvotesThe__Tren__Train1 year ago

is it possible to have kids outside of marriage?

think of it this way...

A. you marry a woman, have kids with her, she divorces you to ride the CC.

you now owe her child support AND alimony. you will have no money to spend on your children, or even feed yourself.

B. you meet a woman, and have children without marrying. she leaves you to ride the CC.

you owe her child support, but no alimony... so you still have a considerable amount of money left over.

8 upvotesmeaningintragedy1 year ago

I am not American, but I believe in some states you are considered married if you live together.

3 upvotestruedemocracy31 year ago

You will not find any woman of decent quality who will agree to those terms.

5 upvotesAllahHatesFags1 year ago

Hire a surrogate.*

*Not valid in all states.

5 upvotestruedemocracy31 year ago

The answer is get married. But use RP practices to make sure your woman is as good of quality as possible and to maintain frame in your marriage.

2 upvotesOverkillengine1 year ago

Does a piece of paper and a ceremony magically make her a good mother?

Where in the marriage contract is fidelity and stability on her part actually enforced?

1 upvotesOverkillengine1 year ago

It requires admitting the "Tru wuv" hippy dippy Disney fantasy they've been indoctrinated with is a lie.

1 upvotesfifi5081 year ago

How about marrying someone in a country where divorce is illegal? Does that matter?

1 upvotesThe__Tren__Train1 year ago

that sounds like an absolutely insane proposition

11 upvotesdontgiveupcarib1 year ago

Got one word for that, Monero

1 upvotesKyfhoMyoba1 year ago

DASH has really good privacy, too, and when Evolution tm comes out this summer it'll be wa-a-a-a-a-a-y easier to use.

5 upvotesZanford1 year ago

^ Listen to this, men. This is the raw truth here. Should you ever have to lose half or your blood, sweat, and tears, all because some chick you already gave a bunch of shit to is 'bored'?

1 upvotesMarinTaranu1 year ago

Maybe sexual relations should be explicitly mentioned in the marriage contract, also the explicit number of children that the family will have. But the society is too prudish for that, with their judeo-christian and romantic values bullshit. We are ignoring the elephant in the room by ignoring the necessary sexual activity required as part of marriage. Take that away and very few men would be willing to marry.

1 upvotesDonutHoles41 year ago

Why would she marry u if she was just going to get bored then leave?

2 upvotesZanford1 year ago

Hooboy. Can't tell if this is a bad joke or you have a lot to learn

  • Why wouldn't she? If she gets bored she can leave with half his shit. And the wedding day itself is a giant party where she get to be the center of attention, queen for a day, and other people pay for it. There's no downside for her.

  • Maybe she wasn't planning to get bored, but then she did. Or hubby was a 'safety school' in case something better didn't come along. Surprisingly enough, people are not that accurate at predicting what will make them happy long term.

If any of these things are news to you, you're gonna wanna check the sidebar.

1 upvotesDonutHoles41 year ago

I mean yea some women do this, but shouldn’t an ideal person be better than that?

2 upvotesZanford1 year ago

Sure yeah I guess.

But...utopian moral ideals are totally irrelevant to the real world.

0 upvotesSummer_of_891 year ago

Yes goy, don’t get married or reproduce. After all, you could lose some money and that’s what’s really important in life.

2 upvotesConfidentHoverhander1 year ago

"Some money". What really is important in life anyway?

2 upvotesEnragedParrot1 year ago

Money represents your time and effort. Don't denigrate it.

1 upvotesZanford1 year ago

You can reproduce without getting married, that lowers the financial risk and may be worth it if you want kids

4 upvotesthegreatdimov1 year ago

In my family it was actually my father who divorced my mother because in his words " your life, and your mother's lives are boring to me". This coming from an Alpha player who settled down for a family with a modest girl who as far as I am aware never once had an affair despite His affairs.. But I'm glossing over the fact that we are not Americans. So much of TRP has good advice but it mostly applies to "liberated" women of the West, and how to deal with them. At least that's how it seems to me because my family in Eastern Europe doesn't share the values with most American women.

I'm grateful to have found the TRP on advice from a good friend of mine who saw my struggles with women and recommended it to me, but so many stories of how women treat men, in my family it was actually the reverse with the father treating the woman and his children that way.

1 upvotestruedemocracy31 year ago

"til death do us part" - and I bet you she was likely the one pushing the (probably expensive) wedding. Wonder if this guy has any idea it's coming

1 upvotesTheReformist941 year ago

Women are not capable of monogamy.less so than men. Just like when you still love your wife and love to hug her but you need that lust of fucking new pussy.its the same thing. She could have stayed with him and cheated. What do you want her to do?

1 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

Great comment and great thread.

1 upvotesOneInAZillion1 year ago

This doesn't just apply to marriage by the way. If a wife gets bored, divorces her husband and then decides to play a little game of "let's see how much of his life I can rip apart and how much of his shit I can get", then that's the game that'll end up being played.

A decade after the divorce and long after all court matters had been settled, my mother tried to get child support from my father, but really she just wanted some drama because she was bored. She has a full time job with the city (heaps of benefits) and made upwards of $35k/yr, while my father is an independent contractor, works for himself (no benefits obviously) and makes about the same as her, maybe a bit less.

2 of their 3 kids were in their 20's and moved out, and the other was 17 and fully capable of finding a job, but she just decided out of nowhere that "I'm going to give him a headache just for shits and see if I can fuck his life up one last time". Obviously she got denied in court, but it's the thought that counts.

2 upvotesBarvazon1 year ago

God the sense of entitlement.

The revenge fantasies I would have...

1 upvotesSKRedPill1 year ago

I think anyone planning to pass on his genes also needs to plan for a second life in the kitty that doesn't involve his family. You've got to be bomb proof to think of marriage in modern Western society.

153 upvotesVasiliyZaitzev1 year ago

Let me guess...at somepoint she said that she "loves him, but isn't 'in love' with him any more."

536 upvotesMattyAnon1 year ago

She tells me she still loves him

Because she's not allowed to say "still loves his money".

266 upvotesThe__Tren__Train1 year ago


she is pursuing her dualistic mating strategy.

she (with the help of the government) has secured resources from the beta, and will now pursue sex and pleasure with alphas.

never marry

10 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

Also another layer of the onion of lies that she has foisted on you all is that the relationship ended amicably on her terms.

She is being decent enough to say her name plainly. She is an alpha parasite and wants more blood. You only have yourself to blame for getting with her. Western Civilization has failed her and the man to some extent with these unbiblical ideologies.

2 upvotesRepublic_of_Ash1 year ago

What is the male version of this description?

38 upvotesRamesses_1 year ago

Do you mean what is a man's dualistic mating strategy?

We want sluts and whores for sex and good girls and virgins for commitment. And just like women dream of Alpha Bux (i.e. getting Alpha Fucks and Beta Bucks in one man) we dream of the perfect, innocent good girl who is a wild whore in the bedroom just for us.

2 upvotesRepublic_of_Ash1 year ago

I understand that, but I actually meant, what kind of a man would sleep around with other women, and gold dig; leech off of them, basically? I know there are men like this.

9 upvotesRamesses_1 year ago

Not too sure about that one. Human behaviour is a spectrum, not an iron clad certainty (which is how we talk on here sometimes). Just as there are gay men who are more awalt than some women there are going to be some men who use sex to obtain resources from women. Not the norm though obviously and rare enough to be very notable.

3 upvotesThe__Tren__Train1 year ago

guys who have sugar mommas (women who divorced rich husbands and took them to the cleaners).

2 upvotesRepublic_of_Ash1 year ago

But I'm talking about, ordinary, young, decent, hardworking women.

0 upvotesKyfhoMyoba1 year ago

Men do not have a dualistic mating strategy.

15 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

Yeah, she loves those resources.

22 upvotesTrpthrowaway900001 year ago

I dunno, I think divorcing him is better than staying married spending his cash and cheating on him. Anyone, wife or husband, is free to bail when they want

29 upvotesMuFoxxa1 year ago

So instead, divorce him, get half his stuff (house?), and spend his alimony(and childsupport?)

19 upvotesHjalmbere1 year ago

Which is why you get a prenup or don’t get married in the first place.

30 upvotesMuFoxxa1 year ago

Prenups are thrown out quite often, and not married in the first place is fine, but make sure you don't live with a woman either or depending on where you are the "common law spouse" thing kicks in and you are in pretty much the same boat as marriage.

Over all it's a messed system.

Alimony should just not exist or be limited to a reasonable amount for a short time period (2-3 years to get a place, get courses/education and get a job), or if the spouse is already working full time none at all.

4 upvotesZippy17761 year ago

Yep, from what I have gathered, as a man there is no logical reason to ever get tied down or be monogamous. The only way to be without getting forced into slavery is spinning plates and rotating the plates off the carousel.

18 upvoteshot_rats_1 year ago

Kids. If you want them, and you want them to succeed in life and not resent you, statistically coming from a two-parent household is about the biggest factor you can control. Sure you can try an open marriage or whatnot, but good luck with that. If you don't want them, then the choice is obvious.

-4 upvotesNeckbeardVirgin691 year ago

I’m down to get married because my future wife will make double what I do.

1 upvotessatanicpriest131 year ago

Where does common law apply? I've heard of it happening in Canada and France. Not that I intend on letting a nagger move in with me anyway. Just out of curiosity.

2 upvotesMuFoxxa1 year ago

This actually varies a lot. Depending not only on country but in some cases the region of the country.

The Wikipedia page on it is a good starting point but no replacement for actually info from a local lawyer:


1 upvotesannalucrezia1 year ago

Why do you assume she will get half his stuff and alimony etc? Maybe she has her own career. I'm a junior doctor and have a much larger earning potential than my fiance, who is a pilot. So if we ever split up he would be the one benefitting from any even split of assets, not me.

1 upvotesCheeseking111 year ago

Your scenario is not the norm that's why. Most chicks are average and have average low paying jobs.

It's actually quite rare for men to get alimony anyways even with a scenario like yours as the courts as always heavily favour the woman as she is always seen as the victim.

1 upvotesDonutHoles41 year ago

How often do ppl even get alimony these days?

5 upvotesMattyAnon1 year ago

Anyone, wife or husband, is free to bail when they want

But husbands are not free to bail - they lose their children, resources, car, house and future income. They know this going in, and believe the woman is similarly restricted. They found out too late that she is not.

18 upvotesPie_0211 year ago

She probably could and most idiots would just ignore that and pretend she meant loves him anyway. But women always save face even when they know it's their fault or doing.

Beta hamsters can be strong.

1 upvotesFARTBOX_DESTROYER1 year ago

But...she's divorcing him...

1 upvotesTiberiusaurus1 year ago

This is literally what happened to me.

39 year old wife, one little kid, I’m rich as fuck because I worked my ass off... and she bailed on all of us a couple of years ago, because she was bored with being a housewife.

In her youth she was a HB6.5 at best. These days she’s a HB5 at best and fading.

Now she has half my money and I have one little kid to raise alone. And all her family and friends support her decision because she’s empowered or some shit.

Like literally no one has ever pulled her aside and told her she is doing the wrong thing bailing on her family... including a little preschooler. They tell her I’m a monster for saying she’s a bad mom for never ever seeing her kid though.

Apparently I just can’t understand

8 upvotesmynameisntjulio1 year ago

You and your child are better off. Congrats on moving on and moving up in your life, but don't ever doubt that she would have ruined your life had she stayed

302 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

I am recently divorced at 39 and those are the girls that are trying to date me... and they lose their shit when I casually mention that I don’t usually date women over 29. They are disgusted that they can only get high SMV guys in their 50’s.

35+ women entering the dating market get hit with a harsh reality.

213 upvotesPie_0211 year ago

Women are like leasing a car now. Why buy and take the hit on depreciation and risk losing the car and still making payments? Lease, use, return it back to the market, pick up a new model.

38 upvotesmeaningintragedy1 year ago

If it flies, floats or fucks, rent it.

27 upvotesfromthecrypt81 year ago

Really good analogy actually

62 upvotesPie_0211 year ago

Well what do women expect? They bring nothing to the relationship that can't replaced with another woman.

My mom stayed at home and raised 4 kids, saves money like I can't believe, ran the house like well oiled machine, and all of her kids now are well behaved, mannered, educated, and take care of her back. Of the 3 kids that are living in their own one is an doctor, IT professional, and a business manager. A 401k and benefits will not care for you when you are old. When you whored it up, spent your timing partying your years long after college, bouncing from relationship to hookups to flings, it's gonna catch up to you.

Disrespecting my mom wasn't tolerated and my dad was free to worry about supporting the family financially. My mom didn't spend a single day working or worrying about money. She never left us with fucking babysitters or day cares.

If you don't make investments in life, you lose in the long run. From what I have seen many women aren't big picture, they are about now.

This is the kind of shit that can't be replaced and brings value to the family and society. Many women don't bring that value anymore and have made themselves so replaceable. Your looks will fade and other younger girls will take your place, what will you have left to offer?

Yeah you get to be choosy for now, but eventually you will be begging to be chosen.

3 upvotessearcher6121 year ago

Very well said ... lost feminism and motherhood.

2 upvotescuggwy1 year ago

A great post, I worry thought that because I don't want to be trapped and financially ruined by divorce and child support how can I invest in life and children who will care about me?

1 upvotesCOMMO_Fix_It_Bitch1 year ago

Get married so you can be a drag on your children when you're old...Make sure you raise them right, so they'll have the funds and behavioral training to feel guilty if they don't do it?

5 upvotesCheeseking111 year ago

Are you fucking retarded you ungrateful little shit? The opportunities provided to Pie_021 by his parents enabled him to have a successful life. His parents sacrificed their time, money and energy into bringing up their children in the nuclear format to give him and them the best opportunity to make a life for themselves.

The child should not feel guilty because he has to take care of his parents but want to as gratitude for sacrifices made.

17 upvotesMrGurabo1 year ago

Are they though? Plenty of BP dick desperate enough to fuck anything, even them.

22 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

At that age they are not trying to get fucked, they are trying to lock up a provider. Even a blue pill has his antenna up on single moms trying to sink their fangs into his paycheck.

32 upvoteskevin321 year ago

35+ women entering the dating market get hit with a harsh reality.

And their dating profiles end up on r-WhereAreAllTheGoodMen.

4 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

Didn’t know about that sub, I am guessing it would be incredibly entertaining.

1 upvotesanxiousimnotanxious1 year ago

Yes but that 50 something Pappa is gonna be rich!

36 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

No, because Rich 50 year old guys are still pulling girls in their early 30’s. It’s the moderately successful one’s.

1 upvotesanxiousimnotanxious1 year ago

Okay then, well, that 60-something Pappa she ends up with had better be rich!

10 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

It always reminds me of Adam Sandler in Big Daddy:

“You'll be missing me when you have that big white wrinkly body on top of you with his loose skin and old balls... gross!”

9 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

You sound bitter and/or gloating man. We’re crushing it now, no need to be a sore winner.

I’m late 30s and 1.5yrs after my divorce I look goddamn good for a man my age. Definitely top 20% for my age range. Guys our age don’t need to be built like the hulk. Just need visible pecs in a shirt and a flat stomach. Gotta have your fashion style (that doesn’t make you look like a doof single dad) but that should go without saying if you’re working on yourself.

I have had enjoyable times and great sex with late 30s to late 40s gals. You must frame yourself as a fuckboy right away to make this work. It must also be someone you meet in person, won’t work online. Enough of this demographic are happy to hang out and fuck that it’s worth minimal effort to get them on the roster. They can make decent mltrs with the expectation that you’re occasionally fielding the wish we were more bs.

My experience is older women are more comfortable in their sexuality and will let their freak flags fly when out of view. They know all they have to offer a man like me is their pussy. I’ve made it crystal clear by then that dick and fun times on my adventures is all I will offer them.

You do you man. Dip your toes in and see if it works for ya.

18 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

I loved women in their late 30’s, when I was in my early 20’s. They were very fun. Maybe my divorce is too fresh but now I just view them as pathetic souls trying to trap dudes.

3 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

It’s a fucking cliche but time heals it man. It will pass when you are ready to let it go.

I remember one commute home specifically thinking wow I haven’t even thought about my ex today till now. Before that there was that nasty ball of emotions that would never quite leave me. That day was the turning point for me. Think it was 6-7 months after separation. My divorce was finalized quickly, about 5 months all told so it was much faster than most.

Eventually you come full circle and love women again with all their warts and flaws. You’ll now be armed with the truth instead of falling for the smoke and mirrors tricks.

2 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

It will take quite awhile, I’ll be stroking a big check every month for 14 years unless she can snag a really wealthy sucker, which is possible.

1 upvotesKiteAsAHeight1 year ago

Where to meet late 30's women in your early 20's?

3 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

I worked the door at a “upscale nightclub”. Every city has a few nightclubs, bars or restaurant bars where the divorced chicks hang out trying to lure a rich guy. Either that or become a trainer at a higher end health club.

1 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

become a trainer at a higher end health club.

Careful with that one, been going to my gym 4 to 5 times a week for 6 months now and in that 6 months, I’ve spotted 2, (yes two) attractive women. The rest were fatties & uglies. That’s how bad it can be out here.

2 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

Dude, if you were in your early 20's they'd still be fun.

4 upvotesWhitified1 year ago

I don’t usually date women over 29

Never ever tell women your preferred age range. You risk social backlash with exactly no gain.

In fact, sneak in one or two 29+ occasionally, make sure everyone knows about it (then GHOST)

1 upvotesTheReformist941 year ago

They rele don't.ive seen 35+ women in the office.they got plenty of guys in their 30s,quality ones chasing them,and you can see they are very pleased with themselves walking around the office

118 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

After my wife cheated on me and we divorced at 36, she thought the dude she cheated with would be her new man. Dude pumped and dumped, and she has been alone and miserable since. Actually has texted me a few times that she was contemplating checking into a mental facility. She can't understand why it's so hard to find a good guy who is tall, handsome, has a good job, will take her places, and be committed to her... basically all the things I was to her. My reply was that anyone who is single and has those things going on is not looking for you. I told her that at this age, we single, good-looking guys who make good money know what we are worth and it isn't a woman approaching 40 with two kids and an ex husband. I explained men at this age being at the peak of the SMP, while women were declining rapidly. She kept saying I was wrong, to which my only reply was, "tell me how your experience has differed." She finally admitted that I probably wasn't wrong, but it wasn't what she needed (wanted?) to hear right now.
Meanwhile, I got a better job making six figures (LOW six figures), I'm dating girls 15 years younger than me, taking trips, and spending amazing time with my kids. Her insult about the last girl I was dating was, "How much time does that girl spend getting ready in the morning?" L-O-L

29 upvotesSexualBowelMovement1 year ago

I would have answered that question at the end with ‘surely more time than you’ while looking her head to toe.

8 upvotesgraffix131 year ago

Good for you man! Keep strong. It won't be long until she begs for you back, using all the dirty tactics women do.

Stay strong.

12 upvotesseattleskindoc1 year ago

Tell her you’ll start the timer when your GF unwraps her lips from your dick each AM

23 upvotesAggressive_Beta1 year ago

Why are you still talking to your ex wife?

100 upvotesAllahHatesFags1 year ago

If he has kids with her it's pretty much unavoidable.

37 upvotesGaujo1 year ago

They have kids together, it's unrealistic to not maintain a relationship with the mother of your children.

-14 upvotesAggressive_Beta1 year ago

How do you know they have kids together?

27 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

He read the comment, the whole thing. Give it a shot.

-14 upvotesAggressive_Beta1 year ago

I did. Nowhere does he say that his kids are her kids.

3 upvotesIncel98761 year ago

I did. Nowhere does he say that his kids are her kids.

It wasn't explicitly stated, but it is a reasonable inference that this example, "we single, good-looking guys who make good money know what we are worth and it isn't a woman approaching 40 with two kids and an ex husband," was the real life situation of the woman.

7 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

Good question. It's entertaining.

-2 upvotesbob13bob1 year ago

it's cruel, be a human being.

3 upvoteslegitimateusername41 year ago

If only there was some way she could have avoided this, by say not cheating on and divorcing him.

1 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

Dude, this woman has pushed me to the ground while holding my son, dislocated my shoulder, punched me in the face, kicked me in the back of my knees, called me every name under the sun. If it makes me cruel to chuckle a bit at her misery, then I’ll happily own it.

1 upvotesEnragedParrot1 year ago

She opened the door on cruel. Gloves are off. Fuck her.

1 upvotesmorexel1 year ago

This basically is my exact life lol... Almost to the letter.

2 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

Ha. On one hand, I’m sorry. On the hand, congratulations!

1 upvotesTainPolerance1 year ago

You're fuckin pethetic. Man up and move on.

1 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

Oh, I've moved on. But thanks for the input!

31 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

Women will continue to get away with this shit as long as men allow it.

2 upvotesQuestionnaire71 year ago

We have to defeat the leftists and get the laws changed to no longer allow it.

2 upvotesEnragedParrot1 year ago

Progressives more accurately

107 upvotesEscortSportage1 year ago

When I hear the term pump and dump I used to think stocks,wall street, that has now changed.

34 upvotesMineDogger1 year ago

Pretty sure "pump n dump" was always a sex reference that just got co opted for stocks.

1 upvotesLamond-Sciutto1 year ago

I like "hit it and quit it"

1 upvotesMineDogger1 year ago

How bout "Buck 'n' Truck"? T-shirt worthy?

2 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

Fuck n chuck

25 upvoteshenrysmyagent1 year ago

"You go gurrrl!" will be the epitaph of Feminism.

1 upvotesMemphisBro1 year ago

I just would like to add that with the right set of skills, this lady can approach new people with confidence, just like an alpha knows how to do, and get a new beta male or better pretty soon. No reason to think that she will regret this decision.

26 upvotesaskmrcia1 year ago

She can but if she picks a beta then that would mean she would be bored. Hence that is the reason she is bored with the first relationship.

Now if she's trying to get an alpha to commit (the types of guys she had in her earlier and better years) then I say good luck

9 upvotesturpin231 year ago

The alpha/ beta dichotomy misses the point that Carl Jung brought forth. There are four stages of maturity that women go through in categories of men they are attracted by. They roughly correspond to (alpha) jock/rogue (details vary by woman), (beta) provider, intellectual, mystic. If she was at stage 2, provider, before, then she might be happy now with an intellectual. If you are going for younger women, you need to develop the alpha. Otherwise you can just polish to improve whatever category you fit.

1 upvotesDistantSlug1 year ago

Hey u/turpin23 where can I read Jung's work on this?

1 upvotesturpin231 year ago

You might start with Wikipedia page for anima/animus archetypes, and look into getting the books mentioned in "References" and "Further Reading" through a local library or interlibrary loan or online such Google books or archive.org to see if it really interests you before buying your own copy.


11 upvoteswhereTheBoysKeepItG1 year ago

There’s one factor you conveniently leave out though. Time. For how long will this women be able to lock down these beta guys?

It’s different for men. As long as a man has his shit together he can always attract women, even good looking women. A 50 year old guy can still pull 20 year old chicks. A 50 year old woman can only date guys 60 and above.

12 upvotesJJ33141 year ago

A little less love, and a little more loyalty ladies. If that’s “love” than who needs it?

99 upvotesMach2Machiavellian1 year ago

I get what you’re saying but this is very rare. Most women of that age (even the hot ones) know it’s in their best interests to stay with their husband if they have one, assuming he’s not abusive or whatever.

Of course, usually they just cheat instead if they are “bored” with their man. Can’t tell you how many times an older married woman tried to get with me on a work trip or vacation.

1 upvotesbitshifter1 year ago

I wouldn't say "very" rare. At the end of the day, unless she is a complete lunatic, the government will tell her, "Oh you don't feel it anymore? Take at least half his shit and here's some resources to make sure he's still obligated to support you!"

If you knew you could leave your job, and they would have to pay you out the ass unless you committed a crime, and that they would have to support you until you found a new job, why wouldn't you? Unless you truly loved the work?

For me, it's hard to blame women as individuals when the choice is so obvious. The government is basically telling men, *DO NOT GET MARRIED RETARD* but many (including myself) didn't listen.

9 upvotesAggressive_Beta1 year ago

The government is basically telling men, *DO NOT GET MARRIED RETARD*

That’s false. the government give income tax breaks to people who get married. Men are screwed either way.

4 upvotesMarinTaranu1 year ago

You need a better accountant.

6 upvotesMach2Machiavellian1 year ago

True enough about women’s post-divorce financial support, but I’m referring here more to their dread of growing old alone. Most at least want a companion, no matter how boring or broken, to be around late in life, and women often have a hard time finding that past a certain age.

8 upvotesLukesLikeIt1 year ago

It’s evolution. Woman had to learn to split and move on with other men to survive. Men had to learn to rely and trust other men with their lives to be successful hunters/protectors to survive. Woman evolved without the ability to connect with other people on a deep and true level while men did. They have many surface connections and few true deep ones. Companionship is almost exclusively a male thing

3 upvotesaskmrcia1 year ago

If they feel like they got a good catch in their proximity yes, they would leave the relationship/divorce and claim its due to boredom.

Some women will land that guy that they think they can branch swing too. Others will just get pumped and dumped and try crawling back to their ex husbands.

To your point, there isn't 100% of anything. The woman could play her cards right and upgrade. Its a risk on her part, but yea she can no doubt get away with it.

7 upvotesMach2Machiavellian1 year ago

Ah yes, if the woman already has a guy in mind (perhaps with whom she’s been cheating on her husband), she may be more inclined to go for it. But this rarely ends well for her.

40 upvoteslorum_ipsum_dolor1 year ago

I respectfully disagree. I'd imagine the frequency of marriages failing due to boredom/branch swings far exceeds those caused by abuse and the like. Divorce is a like a contagion within the social circle of women. One will get divorced then start telling her friends, "You deserve to be happy. Dump him. You'll get child support, he'll take the kids every other weekend and you can finally find yourself". It sounds exciting and they see no downside so many women jump on the bandwagon.

It's only later that they realize what they've given up and start asking "Where are all the good men?".

12 upvotesMach2Machiavellian1 year ago

I agree generally that more divorces likely result from wanting other options than from abuse, simply because actual abuse is relatively rare. But from what I’ve seen (being of an age where it’s happening among my friends, family, and peers), men are at least as likely to seek divorce because they’re sick of their wives and want to sleep with other women as women are to seek divorce because they’re bored.

Also, there’s still a significant emotional (if not financial) incentive for women to stay in their marriages, because most do recognize, at least by their 30s, that their options will be severely limited once they reach their 40s and above. That’s not to say none of them do it under the delusion that they’ll find someone better, but from what I’ve seen, it’s relatively rare above a certain age.

The complaint that there are “no good men” is a general lament among women of all ages (but mostly above teens / early 20s) due to their typical perception that, no matter what little they might bring to the table, it’s reasonable for them to expect a partner who checks all the boxes in their list of requirements while still being a perfectly loyal gentleman. If anything, this perception is more common among women below 40, because older women are usually experienced enough to know that shit’s fantasy.

Added: I’m admittedly coming at this from my perceptions as an affluent professional in his 30s, surrounded by people who are similarly situated. It’s practically axiomatic among my cohort that men have the upper hand as they get older, and most women of the same age get left behind (and consequently focus entirely on their careers/travels/cats).

1 upvotesP4_Brotagonist1 year ago

I seriously doubt that. If you consider that almost 90% of all divorces are filed by women, then that would mean that even if every single man was only filing to bang other chicks, then only 20% of divorces are because of being unhappy and wanting to find someone else.

1 upvotesMach2Machiavellian1 year ago

You also need to account for how many of these divorces filed by women are because they found out their husband was cheating. I think a lot of men would also rather preserve their marriages and get some on the side than go through divorce.

2 upvotestruedemocracy31 year ago

lol it's hilarious how true this is. Women are social creatures and look to each other for confirmation. That is why when one or two get married you see a marriage contagion. Same with breakups.

2 upvotesndfw761 year ago

Lol....it's not very rare in my experience it's the norm, they are bored and cheating in most cases.

23 upvotesslimGinDog1 year ago

When I was still working for a firm, I was temporarily given a cubicle while they moved some people around at our second office.

I sat right next to a 30-something mom of two, divorced but still attractive. Most of the girls in the office were moms. A lot of them would talk about their relationships with my cubicle neighbor.

Boredom was the number one topic: "I'm so bored." "This is boring." "We never do anything. It's always the same; I'm so bored."

My neighbor would listen, commiserate, and agree that the relationship was 'over.' Every. Single. Time.

If they weren't talking about boredom, it was about arguments. Arguments were endlessly more fascinating: who said what?; who really started it?; what is he going to do next?; what should she do next? The conversation was always on the edge of "go get a different dick". Always.

It be amazing, but it's not. What's really amazing is that it's the same story, over and over. It never changes.

13 upvotesPM_ME_YOUR_RC511 year ago

Are you bored? Sorry, I didn't know it was my job to entertain you. You have a mind, use it. Read books, take college courses, go to the gym, run, join some social clubs, anything. It's not that fucking hard.

You would think eventually they would learn to think for themselves and form their own opinion and thoughts.. but no. It never happens.

6 upvotesCissnowflake [OP]1 year ago

Driving home the idea again: the game never ends, especially not when you are married

1 upvotesRedwSmoke1 year ago

So here’s this chick, she’s gonna divorce this loving devoted beta, to get pumped and dumped by men and end up wondering where all the good men went as she lives alone with her cats.

Honestly at this point in my journey, the more women that end up living alone with their cats the better. While the next few generations may suffer, maybe the words of wisdom from these cat ladies will eventually trickle down to the next generation of women. "Don't end up like me...old and alone" -The Cat Lady

It took decades to get us where we're at it'll take decades to turn it around.

35 upvotessadomasochrist1 year ago

No, it won't. This is the lesson gleaned from the urban black culture. More or less, positive cultural behavior has to be enforced, and there has to be an incentive to promote that behavior (the rational actor must choose this out of self interest, not instruction, coercion or disincentive).

What happened when these values, incentives and enforcement mechanisms collapsed, is that a new resting state was created.

You want to believe they will head the warning but this would require them to adopt male value systems. They only share in male value systems when it directly overlaps their interest (Briffault's Law). Male value systems are no longer enforced.

The gap in the resting state creates two balancing entries.

  1. High beta men begin to accumulate disproportionate market power. Atypical distributions of them avoid marriage and certainly try to avoid risk laden women.
  2. These "risk laden" women, form matriarchal groups to cover the deficit of males.

Your assumption was that they would change their behavior to attract "good men" but that assumes they value such a thing in the way we understand it, they don't. They want it, in the way that I want a cheap, reliable, Ferrari.

Remember that most of these men are invisible. Understand that the math in these cases, these men are top 1-3% men, by the numbers. They have a lot of market power.

Their proposition isn't that unlike that of men shocked by TRP, who decide, even if I could compete, would it be worth it?

So these women instead enjoy the decline from their side. And really, their outcome isn't any different than the talk of men joining groups with each other.

This economic phenomenon is more or less a form of large relationship inequality. A hyper minority of ideal mates at the top, lots of failures, and a significant minority of informed observers who opt out unless they play on their terms.

But the question was always, what then? And it seemed to many men that women would adjust their strategy, but as has been shown in a few different countries, such a thing does not happen.

In Japan, they completely rejected even being in relationships and men reacted as herbivores. In individualistic countries, like Russia, they employed the same strategies seen in poor communities.

More or less, women are transitioning to the poor community outcome. Where men use and discard them, and the most attractive women will be paired off with upper middle class men who actually end up having market power.

Whether or not those guys figure out they don't win in that arrangement is to be seen.

But I highly suspect that as women start outearning men, the laws will change.

4 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

Good shit sado

On one hand it does still make a part of me sad or disappointed that that’s how it is. On the other hand it is what it is and I must make the best of it.

As a rational actor, I will perpetuate the decline because that is my best interest for my children. it’s my duty to my son to teach him that marriage is a suckers game. It’s my duty to my daughter to teach her she better bring shit to the table or she’s gonna get pumped and dumped till she’s past her prime. I’ll also teach her how to work the system for her benefit with her feminine charms. I fully understand those two sentences do not fully mesh together. I will get the best for my kids in the world they have to live in.

3 upvotesPestilence19111 year ago

I tried telling my sisters this. One rejected. Two laughed.

Your doing the right thing.

0 upvotessadomasochrist1 year ago

Son's strategy I'll roll out in the near future. Daughter's strategy is easier, but difficult. Find a natural, do the RPW program, push for marriage and kids.

1 upvotesTheDicDoc1 year ago

But I highly suspect that as women start outearning men, the laws will change.

can you give me some ideas, i like your writing style.

1 upvotessearcher6121 year ago

Good points, need to think more about it. However, what are your thoughts on changes to divorce laws? If laws rolled back to how they once were generations ago making marriage significantly less risky for men, would you not expect more men to then marry women younger (no risk) and then women once married acting "in line" (they have everything to lose in terms of resources with a divorce). Granted I need to think more about it, but that is one thought that comes to mind immediately.

5 upvotesiLoveBrianWilson1 year ago

It will take a lot of time and lonely lives lived for those words to ring true with women

55 upvotesnester791 year ago

I for one am attracted mainly to women in their 30's that still have slim workout bodies. Do I pump and dump? Yes, I do but thank goodness for these women. Women in their 30's know what they're doing in bed and they are extremely horny. They also know they can't compete with the young 20 year olds so they're actually less work to get into bed. It all makes a great combination.

For me, women in their 20's are so whiny and they don't know how to perform as well.

27 upvotesU-941 year ago

Women really need to be broken by a few men before they're any fun. The same way guy has to get stepped on in his teens and early 20s before he becomes a cool IDGAF dude.

4 upvotesnester791 year ago

Good point. While many men have obsessions with nubiles, I've found them clumsy and don't have enough carnal knowledge. The main issue is whether or not the man is experienced enough. If you're a beta who can't pleasure a woman then you're better off with an inexperienced woman. If you're good in bed (so to speak) then you'll want a woman that can do what you both expect.

13 upvotesslashaceman1 year ago

I'm with you. The 30's are generally so much easier to get along with, may actually have some interesting knowledge rattling around in her little head other than make up and reality tv, know what they like and what they want in the bedroom, and usually have a lower dose of the princess complex.

2 upvotesscissor_me_timbers001 year ago

As I approach 30 this is so true. These younger women are so fucking bratty, such a headache. Women 25-35 are more interesting, still sexy, and it makes me feel more masculine to conquer a grown woman than a sex kitten from college.

1 upvotesDonutHoles41 year ago

I think hitting 30 does something to a women.

I think they realize that they're not getting any younger and they need to start doing what works instead of just expecting every guy to treat them like a princess just cuz.

17 upvotesrandomthrowaway694201 year ago

Why would you not try to pump and dump her? I guess you were not attracted to her, but still, that could be fun to be the one to accelerate her learning about reality, lol.

8 upvotesstarkfuture1 year ago

If there are no consequences (thanks to the cucked family law system in place - lifetime alimony, childsupport, disproportionate splits of asset based on future earning potential...), people will start to think they are invincible and can get away with anything. They are even deluded enough to think and Pat their backs saying that they are strong independent women.

1 upvotesMarinTaranu1 year ago

The law system doesn't always win for them. If you sit passively and take it in the ass, then, yes. But if you actively try to dodge it, your chances are good.

15 upvotesbrian_reddit_771 year ago

I work in entertainment and the industry is FULL of insane women who think they walk on water. Even the old, crazy cat ladies think they're attractive and try to flirt, it's just gross....I take every opportunity to remind them how OLD they are.

I love calling them "Auntie" or "OLDER sister." They pretend to like it but I know it eats at their souls. : )

2 upvotesMarinTaranu1 year ago

You know what's interesting, the moment you give them the time of day, they start gaming again, not realizing the situation they're in. So, overall, it's better just to ignore them, because it would not lead to anything good. If they were easy, it would be one thing, but, as someone else mentioned, if you show her any attention at all, her imagined SMV jumps to that of the best dick she's ever known in her prime. Besides, women, if sober, will always expect a relationship from a one-night-stand and they do not accept the idea that they will be put on a list by any Joe, since Joe is assumed to have a past history. So, instead of upping their score to make it to the top of the list, dumb women just demand that they be the only one on the list. Ummmm....Nope.

1 upvotesDonutHoles41 year ago

women, if sober, will always expect a relationship from a one-night-stand

isnt this a really big generalization?

7 upvotesucfgavin1 year ago

The good news for the husband is that if he has at least marginal success, its easy for him to go up.

14 upvotesAllahHatesFags1 year ago

That's what should scare any man away from marriage: no matter how good of a partner and provider you are to her, at any moment she could decide that she's "bored" and divorce you and then you are fucked. And you will never see it coming. These cunts are so stupid and entitled that it never even occurred to the bitch in the post that she could very likely fail to find a better partner and end up dying alone and being eaten by her cats.

2 upvotesCissnowflake [OP]1 year ago

That possible outcome clearly never came even near to occurring to her.

14 upvotesdinnerwithfunions1 year ago

She tells me she’s divorcing him because, basically, she’s bored. She doesn’t feel the spark anymore. The passion is gone.

People who think this way don't understand the fundamental concept of marriage.

10 upvotesAggressive_Beta1 year ago


The fundamental concept of marriage is loyalty for life. Loyalty is a male value system and women are utterly incapable of it unless it serves their best interests at that point in time.

12 upvotesdinnerwithfunions1 year ago

Women today are utterly incapable of it because they’ve been spoiled rotten and brainwashed by nonsense gender studies.

Women in the past at least had dignity and didn’t feel their feminine nature was some kind of trap to keep them from advancing in the world. They also understood the virtues of being a mother and home maker and the importance of the nuclear family.

Nowadays all bitches wanna do is chew Xanax, get blackout drunk and get choked out by some random chad or Tyrone.

12 upvotesAggressive_Beta1 year ago

No that’s not true, women have always been like that and society is enabling them to follow what their DNA tells them to do. They’re genetically predisposed to being disloyal when necessary. Their hypergamy demands it.

2 upvotespinkalligator3331 year ago

By DNA, you mean emotions. Men can be emotionally over-inclined as well. I debate with a guy in one of my classes and he “feels” objective reality doesn’t exist.

1 upvotesEnragedParrot1 year ago

If the class is QED, thats a fair argument to make.

11 upvotesWolfoflulzstreet1 year ago

Had this with my second wife. She actually thought she could hop back on me after begging me months later that she had realized that she had made a mistake to not be married while dating after we had split. At that point she was of course even worse than one in the herd. She was post-wall and I would never consider even if I didn't know her. Done and out.

5 upvotesEvilCam1 year ago

Sex and the City is s role model for many.

2 upvotesDonutHoles41 year ago

That show is garbage.

Its like Always Sunny. Entertaining, but u dont want to actually be like those people.

I dont look to TV for values.

For me, TV is entertainment and nothing more.

5 upvotesToussant1 year ago

Remind me of this Kate Bolick's article. She left a stable relationship at 28. It went viral back then but I guess the message wasn't clear and cannot defy nature.

I see women 37+ in clubs, especially in vacation spots, and they're still hounded by dudes. They would travel far & wide to maintain the illusion of pre-wall-ness.

ETA: just noticed she wrote a follow-up article titled Why Having an Affair Was the Best Mistake I Ever Made

Until my mid-30s, when people asked why I wasn’t married, I’d say it was because I couldn’t trust myself not to cheat.

3 upvoteslala_xyyz1 year ago

Note that almost every sentence has an "I" in it. (I stopped reading after the third paragraph). Women are so solipsistic that they cannot perceive the world outside the me me me lens. The use of the first-person pronoun is directly proportional to the strength of the hamster.

1 upvotesDonutHoles41 year ago

No offense but

sometimes hot women get a big head on their shoulders cuz guys want to have sex w them, and so like, they might not call them out if they say something stupid, for example.

2 upvotessearcher6121 year ago

I see women 37+ in clubs, especially in vacation spots, and they're still hounded by dudes. They would travel far & wide to maintain the illusion of pre-wall-ness.

Correct ... but there will be no commitment then. So basically a short fling or ONS ... then nothing. Alone ... just sex, nothing else. And that is even fleeting.

1 upvotesDonutHoles41 year ago

afraid of running out of "pretty girl allowance" i guess

1 upvotesCissnowflake [OP]1 year ago

Shit the hamster is strong in that second article

22 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

This is so sad. My uncle's wife is divorcing him now after over 10 years. Its absolutely heartbreaking. My husband is my life partner and best friend and father of the child we have on the way. He saved my life. I couldn't imagine abandoning him.

6 upvotesTheDevilsAdvokaat1 year ago

Wish more girls felt like that. All the best to you.

7 upvotesJsieijejeieokkd1 year ago

Sad but true. You are 100 percent right, she will be the old cat lady. Beta will be sad and maybe find someone to be a white knight too, maybe not. It’s a lose lose situation. The ones that suffer are the kiddos. They learn that’s how the world is, and the cycle continues. I feel sorry for them.

7 upvotesProFriendZoner1 year ago

I'm one of those people who would ask the pointed questions to her?

So, you're going to throw it all away instead of re-igniting the passion? Just so you can get a bunch of random dick? Then what? What's your plan after the 20th or 30th random guy? And all of that just because you're "bored"? Really?

1 upvotesDonutHoles41 year ago

maybe she should have looked into marraige counseling

8 upvotesSpecialistParticular1 year ago

When did owning a cat become a bad thing? They're cool little critters.

3 upvotesMarinTaranu1 year ago

One is OK, maybe even two. Seven is a bit excessive, I think.

3 upvotesiLoveBrianWilson1 year ago

It's constant reminders like these that keep my mind off of LTR's. Thanks.

4 upvotesrebelde_sin_causa1 year ago

So why didn't you hit it? All that conversation with you was the IOI.

15 upvotesCissnowflake [OP]1 year ago

I had other things to do

20 upvotesChadTheWaiter1001 year ago

If a woman has a shit ton of cats is this an indicator that she’s already been pumped and dumped? Serious question. I ask because I saw a young prime piece of pussy that was a solid 7.5 maybe 7.9 on her best day.. I went to her apartment and she had like 7 cats. I was puzzled. She tried to press for sex a few times but I was already happily committed to a hotter chick.

24 upvotesRamp_Up_Then_Dump1 year ago

I think cats fill the child and companion roles. You can treat them like babies, spoon feed etc. They dont let you feel alone too.

The stereotype: Cat ladies are old, they spent time on cc and they are alone&childless now.

3 upvotesAllahHatesFags1 year ago

She's just getting an early start so she will have the most cats by the time she hits the wall.

10 upvotesHjalmbere1 year ago

She probably got railed by her PT or some PUA she met when she was out partying with ”the girls”. Now she’s alpha widowed and hypergamy is kicking in.

Hypergamy vs logic. Hypergamy wins. Always.

3 upvotesBlack_m0ngoose1 year ago

Not true- my girl is different. She's not like all the other sluts you guys date.

1 upvotesEnragedParrot1 year ago

Sarcasm? If not...if she isn't currently like that its because she's still being aroused by you for whatever reasons. Work your dread game.

3 upvotesJ412h1 year ago

Holy hell, this sounds like my life and my ex-wife five years ago.

Yet another marriage survivor here that has since swallowed the rp

7 upvotesCharmingaxelotl1 year ago

Great point on the olden days with women. It used to be women would tell other women to find your man and you hold on to him because men can always do better. Women have a shelf life.

2 upvotesjeremiahjohnson902101 year ago

She probably cheated on him and wanted to go back into a ho phase and leech of the alimony.

2 upvotessunbro291 year ago

and end up wondering where all the good men went as she lives alone with her cats.

Maybe, but this is kind of a caricature. In reality she will realize she has to settle again with an even bigger schmuck than her ex-husband. There's tons of these dudes ready to take anything they can get, it's sad, but we can't all be winners.

2 upvoteswillso861 year ago

I will put all my money on the ladies friend being single as well. She is getting old struggling with the dating game, maybe needs someone to go out with her. So she sees her friend maybe isnt all that happy and starts talking shit in her ear

"Dont settle" "Men are throwing themselves at me" "If theres no spark I wouldn't put up with it"

Women will take advice of stupid women. I haf an ex who was taking relationship advice from her friend. I asked my ex about all her friends amazing relationships, she had never had a boyfriend. Next in the relationship advice queue was her slutty sister who had 1 LTR lasting a year and she cheater on him like crazy.

Now my current gf is taking relationship advice from her mum whis married to a man who she doesn't love. She told her daughter that.

They can be pretty stupid

1 upvotesCissnowflake [OP]1 year ago

Oh yeah the other chick was definitely single

1 upvotesDonutHoles41 year ago

i mean i understand wanting to make the other person feel better

but that doesnt mean give them bad advice

2 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

Such female behavior is indicative of the dysgenic shift that occurs in late-stage population decline of social animal societies when they have unlimited resources, no natural predators, and finite space.

Just remember these 3 things: 1. AWALT. 2. Lift weights. 3. Spin plates.

Your life/resources/mission will be safe and sound.

If you stray from those 3 things, you will pay the cost.

All else are red pill details about those 3 things or blue pill rationalizations that serve hypergamy.

2 upvotesRedpillandrew1 year ago

OK, they want this. I'm tired of wondering why or to think to myself "hey, bad move, silly". They want this. As long as you know that, you'll be fine

2 upvotesPastelitomaracucho1 year ago

Oh my dear OP. You have seen nothing.

2 upvotesaherne181 year ago

with a woman there is NO SUBSTITUTE for youth

Priceless... I'll throw that to manlets and post-wallers who condemn me for loving adolescent women above all.

But there is another reason, too, why they look so fucked up in their late 30s: simply the number of men they've fucked plus the kind of vice-ridden duplicitous lifestyle they have pursued.

2 upvotesBruchibre1 year ago

Who knows she could end up marrying a Prince from a European dynasty

2 upvotesCirrustratus1 year ago

im new to the sub, what is this wall thing? is it the issue woman have with their age and stop being valuable on the sexual market right?

3 upvotesAussiecuntTRP1 year ago

Both genders really confuse what love is and what commitment is. Love is a pure, overwhelming attraction and longing for someone. That woman didn't love her husband at all. She is committed to him. i.e. she likes his money, security and so on. Love is an emotion. There is no 'logic' behind it. You don't and can't explain why you love someone. You just do.

Same shit happens with Nice Guys. They think they 'love' their partners but in reality, they're only committed because they're so afraid of being alone and desparate for any sex and attention they can get.

2 upvotesMarinTaranu1 year ago

Love, sex and marriage are three very different things, and they seldom and only temporarily overlap.

2 upvotesTheThirdTesticle1 year ago

I think if I was you, I would started laughing uncontrollably.

1 upvotesChadster1131 year ago

Light switch effect?

1 upvotesjaedgy1 year ago

to get pumped and dumped by men

Who's gonna be doing that with 38 year olds?

1 upvotesEnragedParrot1 year ago

They're easy. Why not, if they're attractive? Desperation makes 'em work harder...for one night.

1 upvotesAs-You-Were1 year ago

Horrifying. I doubt you asked but, hopefully he got a prenup?

If not, it’s pretty easy to concentrate on dick-teasing when you have a constant stream of undeserved revenue.

0 upvotesMarinTaranu1 year ago

Prenups mean jackshit. A divorce judge will toss one out if deemed unjust, or obtained under duress. And now, you're in the same boat.

1 upvotesbtcftw11 year ago

Sex and the City is s role model for many.

1 upvotesTouchedOnlyByMom1 year ago

I hope that guy finds a smokin hot 18 year old and makes that wrinkly hag jelly AF while shes getting plowed by wrinkly dicks

1 upvotesinthenameofkek1 year ago

Woman's nature https://hooktube.com/watch?v=UxpVwBzFAkw

1 upvotesfrooschnate1 year ago

Off topic.

In the olden days

Is this a correct, or commonly used way of referring to past days? Never heard it before, sounds pretty cool.

1 upvotesSgtBrutalisk1 year ago


suffix added to nouns to produce adjectives meaning "made of, of the nature of" (such as golden, oaken, woolen)

1 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

There is 50% she will try to go back to him if she can't get into a relationship. I went out with a woman like that. I refuse to even touch her, no hugs or kisses and she ended going back to her ex.

1 upvotesGozsayin11 year ago

Haha I loved it, these women are fools. Marriage is supposed to be used to protect woman post wall from being dropping for a young woman. She gonna have a rude awakening when her ex gets a nice new 20 something year old and she figuring out nobody wants her used up "c". If it wasn't for divorce rape the husband would be getting the best part of this deal

1 upvotesDonutHoles41 year ago

I mean ppl dont have to stay married to you just cuz u want them to.

Granted, i assume shes a boring person, and even if she met some better looking more awesome guy, I assume she would get bored of that eventually too.

common denominator in all ur failed relationships is you

1 upvotesDonutHoles41 year ago

Here is a link to some good tips for making a marraige work, btw:


1 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

You are immature, aren't you? People in LTR get bored. That's the real Red Pill truth. It doesn't mean women are sluts : both men and women get bored in LTR, that's all. Spend 10 years with the same woman and you'll understand. Her man was probably bored too, it's just that when we men are bored we keep staying in the relationship. And you know why? For a lack of better options, mostly. She knows she can still get a decent man, he knows he can't get a new woman as easily. The point is, when you are in a LTR, keep being a seducer. Stay fit. Keep meeting women. You'll have options if she leaves and she'll have less willing to leave.

1 upvotesdustman831 year ago

Even if guy is beta, it's legit possible his SMV may be declining faster than hers. If the guy isn't improving and content with mediocrity, good for her. But if she is dumping a high status man just to think she can get back on the CC, she's obviously delusional. She'll also come crawling back

1 upvotesRudeyyyy1 year ago

Point: don’t marry in the first place. And this shit won’t happen.

1 upvotesbtrpb1 year ago

So you met a woman who's getting divorced?

Isn't this sub a bit better than this?

1 upvotesRedPillAlphaBigCock1 year ago

I have seen a few divorces - In all honesty I think some women get a bad rap for no reason - I truly believe that it is the GUYS FAULT - I see guys get fat, lazy and compliant - I can't blame the women in those cases - I don't know about this situation - just thought i'd share

1 upvotesDonutHoles41 year ago


Sometimes tho, the women doesnt pull her share either.

-8 upvotesroad_tanker1 year ago

I did not see anything wrong with this woman she does not have to be in a relationship which she does not feel love just because she is 38. Maybe she had told you more about her situation because you clearly made a connection with TRP but i could not make the same connection.

13 upvotesCissnowflake [OP]1 year ago

She said she feels love. What she doesn’t feel is arousal.

3 upvotesMarinTaranu1 year ago

It's the fault of the English language since there are so many different kinds of love. Greek language has at least three different words.

-3 upvotesxGiaMariex1 year ago

This sub is so filled with disillusioned people...it amazes me.

OP-look at how you’re judging people based on appearance alone. Your description of her makes you look like the washed up loser.

0 upvotesredd_reality1 year ago

She's about to become the sprouted seedling every feminist wanted her to be.

Fuck, I can just imagine the misplaced resentment she is going to have when it hits her that high value men don't even notice her anymore.

It's fucking sad, really.

-4 upvotescasemodz1 year ago

So here’s this chick, she’s gonna divorce this loving devoted beta, to get pumped and dumped by men and end up wondering where all the good men went as she lives alone with her cats.

"I'm a bitter beta with no relationship experience" - op

2 upvotesCissnowflake [OP]1 year ago

You know me so well! It’s like you’re here in the room with me

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