Hello fellow woke gentlemen,
I'm a lurker when it comes to reddit, but TRP has truly helped me a lot in life and the material I've shared with friends has had very positive and tangible effects on their lives as well. Moderators, I know my account is a bit inactive, but please acknowledge this post. Thank you's aside, something has very recently occurred that I need to share, and this appears the place to do it.
That event: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/business/wp/2018/05/02/boy-scouts-drop-the-boy-as-they-welcome-girls-to-scouts-bsa/?noredirect=on
A few days ago, it was announced that the Boy Scouts of America is dropping "Boy" from its name, as it allows girls to enter its cub and boy scout ranks. The campaign to allow in girls has been raging for years now, from my perspective beginning because some girls (or more likely their parents) want the prestigious title of Eagle Scout, the highest rank and honor of the former BSA, on their resume. It has already lost a bit of its shine in recent years as standards/checks have faltered, but just wait to see how it will diminish going forward. Mommy's little girl will get that rank, or else.
There does exist the Girl Scouts, a comparatively boring and uncool organization, as well as Venture Scouts, an excellent organization under the same people that's coed and is often involved in BSA activities, sharing resources (They are the ones that wear the green uniforms). The Girl Scouts complained the other day about their membership being stolen. I don't blame them, maybe they should let boys in!
This is, above all, an invasion of male space on a new level. This organization will not survive it: it WILL fundamentally change because of girls' entry. Some of the involved activities; construction service projects, shooting sports and training, war games, survival endurance competitions and tests, hands-on first aid training, peculiar, near fraternal, initiation rites among internal troops and OA groups; are doomed with the inflow of girls. They, particularly the resume-builders, will not want any part of these 'difficult' and 'testing' things. They will critique them, embarrass the boys doing them, and make them unpopular. The coming of age rituals, at least what's left of them, will be interrupted. That's how females operate in society. We have just opened the BSA and its young, developing males to be closely judged. The BSA is no longer a place for young guys to be themselves and relax in the outdoors with other males.
It will now devolve into a messy, coed summer camp with drama and worry. Uniforms will become mere fashion statements. Just look at the picture circulating now of the girl cub scout with an untucked dress-uniform shirt, ridiculous. Imagine how the summer camps will need to segregate the showers, tents, and changing areas; prevent underage intercourse or even the extreme of statutory rape (13 YOs and 18 YOs in same troop); and how awkward in general inter-troop dynamics will become. Things will go from tribes of boys to conflicts between tribes of both sexes. Let your mind run wild for a sec. Why add this confusion and upset to a happy organization? Welcome to corrosive progressivism.
Some may ask if the current BSA leadership will enforce strict rules and hold the girls up to the male standard. I will say now that this will not happen. The leadership, many of whom are the parents of these little snowflakes, will cave to the crying girl every time. We have already had the problem of female adult leadership in the Scouts, which has often led to issues involving the vested interests of mothers and the weaknesses of their momma's boys.
There are a few alternatives for boys now, but none are as national, respected, and funded as the BSA. I do not know how I will ensure my future sons will have the experiences, training, and wholesome fun I have had as a scout. The BSA has existed for the past 100 years to provide military/draft-ready men, with traditional values, who could survive on their own in a variety of situations, from infrastructure collapses to small emergency situations. The motto is "Be Prepared."
As an Eagle Scout and Brotherhood member of the OA, less than two years out of the organization, I am beyond disheartened by this. One of the last bastions of hope fell this week. We know how impossible it is for things to regress these days. America has just lost one of her finest institutions. I guess I'm just old patriarchal history now. I will forever be a proud former member of the BSA, but never of the 'Scouts BSA.'
EDIT: (fixed some grammar) It is nice to see so many old scouters on TRP, thank you for giving my thoughts a read! It's very true, some of the most intense, nostalgic experiences thousands of others and I have had have been in scouting; some of my closest friends are old troop buddies. Those nights in the woods and myriad of injuries/challenges made me tough. Also, I learned to appreciate the trades, something forgotten about in our "everyone goes to college" society. We all can hardly wait to see the female response to the lifesaving, wilderness survival, pioneering, and automotive maintenance merit badges. Or the fact that the cooking one is mandatory...
My grief begins with the lack of a fight against this change. The Mormons are allegedly withdrawing 180k boys, but otherwise the majority of the membership is against it, yet no one is very audibly speaking out. Is there censorship? Hidden interests? Very possibly, and our male youth will lose out on a hell of a lot of the needed seeds of virility as a result. A point was made in the comments that needs to be repeated: this decision came as a demand from above. Local councils, scoutmasters, the scouts themselves were never asked for their say. This was an order from the progressive executives on top of the organization. A scary metaphor for what could come in our other institutions...
Funny how this logic is not being applied to the Boy Scouts.
She's essentially speaking out against it.
But that's what happens when you receive pressure from our liberal society.
Good on her. Wish whoever was running the
BSA thought like that.BSA died ages ago this is just a late funeral.
If the unisex scouts cause fewer people to become girl scouts then good there will be fewer aggressive panhandlers camping at the grocery store entrance.
I gotta get those thin mints though
i was going to say that it might be a good thing for the kids so they can interact with girls at a yong age...
then i read the above most and i was like FUCK EM!
That really pisses me off.
Females having their own private spaces? Great!
Males having their own private spaces? Misogyny!
We don't have a chance in hell for the future of our boys if we don't do something, say something.
Finally. I said something like this before and some people brushed me off. We need advocates and groups to support men. If we don't they sure as hell won't. Do it now because tomorrow we might not be here.
you guys are so concerned about the negative influence women can have on men, but are completely ignoring the damage adult men can do, and have already done, to boys in the context of a group like BSA.
For a boy to come back from having been sexually abused, and become a red pill man, requires at least triple the amount of effort as it does for the average beta male.
yes i think feminism is a cancer, but we men must also share much of the blame for the decline of our societies, for having turned a blind eye to blatantly established patterns of child sexual abuse for so many decades.
no fuckin way would i allow my son to go into the woods with some grown man who spends his free time hanging out with preteen boys.
you got one thing right and that's adult leaders of boy groups are often pedophile
that's pretty common, and usually they are those are the most favorite by kids
what you missed is, this is not just about boyscouts leaders, its the same situation with coaches, teachers, preacher virtually anybody who supervise kids on regular voluntarily
here in central europe we 'treat' (therapy.. libido killing meds.. chemical castration) pedophiles for free and anonymously for 5 decades already, so our sexuology field have lots of data, this stereotype is accurate (i am talking about pedophiles, not sexual predators who picks kids as easy victim ).. chances are that cool coach your boys love is pedo, luckily for society, chances of him abusing your boys is almost non existent..
If you read this and think i am excusing them or whatever, you are simpleton. My point is you cant shield your kids from pedophiles unless you isolate them from society, because Females aren't better, same percent of pedophiles, similar percent of abuse they just don't penetrate victim so its not worthy of media attention.
read this in Borat's voice, lol. You are right tho.
I hear what you're saying, and I agree: these people are everywhere. but to normalize a situation like this where 1 or 2 grown men are able to isolate a boys-only group from their parents, women, and girls, overnight, clearly produces a dream scenario for pedophiles.
girls are nosey, whiney, constantly have some issue they need attention for, untrusting, unloyal, and highly manipulative. all of these traits throw a big ol' wrench in the gears of pedos who prey on quiet, trusting, and loyal young boys.
i don't know what the solution to the issue of pedophilia is, but i sure as hell know that the traditional model of how the boy scouts operated, was not helping.
Many male victims of female sexual assault are socialized not to see themselves as victims but as victors. That probably contributes to serious underreporting.
first: Nearly all offenders in child sexual assaults reported to law enforcement were male (96%). - Sexual Assault of Young Children as Reported to Law Enforcement, 7/00, NCJ 182990, U.S. Department of Justice
second, there is also serious underreporting by male victims of male sexual assault for reasons of fear, shame, loyalty, etc.
so your argument means nothing. you have no facts or even logical theories, just a lot of hot air
Exactly. We constantly tout about responsibility, about how we're the ones who build civilisation, and yet it is suddenly not our fault when difficult issues arise and we should clean our hands of it and "enjoy the decline", abandon long-term commitment and child rearing (leave that to the betas) and.. what.. be flushed out within a generation? Pathetic, really.
I honestly don't think half of us know what to do. It's a shit situation. Will likely take us many centuries to self-correct.
Feminism is a cancer, but that doesn't mean it isn't our fault.
As for pedos gravitating towards institutions and positions of youth engagement, that's something we used to address with vigilante justice. Some crimes are so egregious that they cannot be properly handled by the state.
I don't think people ignore them, there's been lots of posts elsewhere about it, it's just usually seen as a separate subject.
Don't worry, Islam will fix all of this. In a bloody and unpleasant way, of course, but so it goes. Nature does not tolerate weakness, liberals need to take a page out of their own book and read up on fucking evolution.
Do you have kids? I don't, and I'm snipped, so I won't. Never wanted them. So longevity of the world doesn't really matter to me.
I don't know what's going to end the world first: Trump, global warming, or randomness. But I'm confident I'll die of old age or random accident, so, fuck it. I'm content to watch it all fall apart.
ISIS vanished like the JV team they were, without them Iraq and Afghanistan aren't helpless victims anymore for the first time in many readers' lives, Saudi Arabia (more to credit but they'll never take it) is reforming itself from stone age to mid 20th century socially, and the decade of "recovery" finally recovers.
Move out of California then; I really hoped this 'warming' would help my seeds sprout a few weeks early in the ground but dangit not a single one did. Guess I'll have to start them indoors with cardboard cups next year, maybe the warming will come through in another millennium or three when the current declining ice age finishes thawing.
Ah yes, the Big Diceroll. Critical failure so hard the universe resets.
They just created the next generation of incels.
You still have your own private space in your mom's basement, snowflake!
Men are biologically programmed to pursue women, often above all else. If you put women in an environment with young men, the men will become focused on gaining the attention of the women. They will not care for building bonds between each other. Competition for her attention will be the focus.
In some places, that's perfectly fine. Summer camp is great for that. But that wasn't the point of the Boy Scouts. The point of the Boy Scouts was to strengthen specific skills in males and encourage cooperation. If you don't have women to distract you, you can focus on these other tasks. Introducing women will distract from and dilute the purpose of the entire organization.
It's pretty simple. None of this is mysogynistic. None of this means women are 'less' than men, in any way. Why THE FUCK .... is this becoming an equality issue ...?
And then the feminazis will cry "OUR GIRLS MUST BE PROTECTED!" And shame boys into acting in a certain way, the "Boys" Scout will then fall to shit because of PC controls and anti-masculinity measures.
Typical cycle, men create something great, women whine about not being a part of that, eventually they become part of that and everything turns into shit. Repeat. It happened to great civilisations throughout time, nothing's defending an organisation.
Liberal degenerates ruin everything they touch. Boy Scouts will be no exception to this natural law.
What I wonder is if numbers were down anyways for Boy Scouts. I wouldn't guess they were gaining in popularity, and I wouldn't doubt if this is a marketing run to gain numbers. My guess is that Girl Scouts isn't as excited about this.
This is deeper than just a marketing run. This is feminist liberal agendas influencing and changing a century old male organization, despite the fact a female alternative readily exists (Girl Scouts).
Women are the liberals of biology.
Power is a drug. Whenever anyone says equality, just replace it with power, and watch all inconsistencies vanish.
Often times during troop meetings, some of the other scouts' siblings (meaning girls, since brothers were usually also in the troop) would be there, usually just before and after the meetings. And I've seen some scouts do some pretty stupid shit just to try and impress. Hell, even good friends from the same patrol start going for each other's necks for a chance to try and look cool in front of the girls. Especially since most scouts are in their pubescent teenage years, it definitely lead to lots of drama that was pretty much pointless and detracted from whatever we were doing. I'd imagine that would be only the tip of the iceberg in this case where girls are there at literally every scouting meeting and event.
Most boyscout camps also don’t have the facilities or money to accommodate girls. Changing girlscouts and getting rid of the cookie cult part of it is a financially better option for the organization, would bring in more members even if the ceo of girlscouts isn’t making her almost $400,000 dollars. At the very least let boys into girlscouts if they claim this is for equality.
Don't worry. They won't be going to camp anyway. It will be sit down and be quiet and play nice, just like girl scouts.
This is one of the reasons I don't like women in the workplace. Men start getting stupid trying to one-up each other.
Being a part of boy scouts. The best thing I learned is the value in comraderie and brotherhood. The value in that triumphs what ever pussy came across us and my brothers. Sadly that is not going to be learned anymore since they want to add girls in the mix so young boys do not have the chance to bond and learn the values of brotherhood. It seems to create an environment of pussy chasing. The feminist seem to realize that brotherhood is a huge threat to them so why not stop it.
Not trying to defend this change, as I don’t support it, but there are separate units for boys and girls.
Someone was telling me this the other night at work and when you come from a small rural town like I did I just dont believe it. They WILL be integrated in small areas. There is hardly enough boys so a new entire unit for the one or two girls who want to join will quickly just get integrated. This really does make me sick. It will make everything into a competition for a girls attention for these young boys. This is the end of the BSA.
I doubt it. In rural areas, people tend to be more conservative/traditional, so I don’t think that families will want to send their girls to the Scouts BSA anyway.
Your making my point for me. The ONE girl that does want to join will not constitute an entire seperate unit... Like I said, they will get integrated.
While true, I earnestly do not believe this will last beyond the initial "testing the waters" phase.
So it’s going to be essentially the same thing as having Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts, then? Just a name change?
Nope. The girls’ units of the Scouts BSA do the same activities as the boys, including knot-tying and wilderness skills that they would not be able to do in the Girl Scouts.
Because modern feminism is a direct offshoot of critical theory (aka marxism), and its goal is to weaken and destroy Western Civilization.
Pursuit instinct is not exclusive to men.
As an eagle scout and recipient of their highest award for heroism (saving a drowning 3yo boy in an icy lake) this truly saddens me.
ETA And since anyone can say anything on the net.
https://imgur.com/a/G0q7fMH
You're a fucking hero. My half brother is 3 and I swear, the thought of a child that young and innocent just up and drowning is deeply upsetting to me.
And since anyone can say anything on the net. https://imgur.com/gallery/KAXLPm8
Sad thing is that he died 5 years ago at 33 from a rare disease. Left behind 5 and 3yo daughters. I was devastated.
You do realize those girls are alive because of your actions.
The world needs strong, brave men.
Hey friend, your scribble job isn't going to stop doxxers. You gotta black it completely out or put tape on it or work it in Photoshop or something.
Here: https://imgur.com/a/G0q7fMH
Thank you.
Careful, you are saying too much about yourself.
I remember reading Boy's Life magazine, and I remember they had a section each session dedicated to telling stories about the heroic people who got that award. May have even read yours sometime. I received a lesser award for heroism for helping out my mom when she almost bled out after getting an artery cut by broken glass.
They used to do the comic on the last page of every issue, illustrating various heroism stories. I was told that I'd be on one but I don't think that it ever happened.
I did get a paragraph in one. I have it around here somewhere.
Some of the best moments of my life were fucking around with my friends in scouts on camp outs. Let's just hope they don't fuck up OA or MOS.
If they're letting girls in there's no way they get away with gender segregating OA. Shit's fucked yo.
I'm having a drink to you tonight. Never forget that you're a person of great value and deserving of respect.
Badass bro. Eagle here. I read those stories in boy's life and always wondered what it would be like to save a life. Cheers.
Did you know that Eagles are automatically admitted to Texas A&M? It's also highly regarded when applying for an appointment to a military academy.
What now? Eagle Scout is a huge fucking deal.
I'm in my 50s now and I have a couple of degrees already. I also taught at the AF Academy for 10 years. It's been a good run.
I didn't know that about A&M, but my dad would roll over in his grave if I went there. LOL
Do you think writing a letter to BSA will help?
Anyone can grab a picture of a certificate from the net too...
Ask him nicely to hold up a shoe in the picture, maybe that will satisfy.
So do a reverse image search and find proof.
Another Eagle Scout here. (1995) My dad and all of my uncles are Eagles too.
This news has really bummed me out. I had a great experience in scouting and would not be the man I am today without it.
Boys spending time with successful men is important. The experience is not at all the same with females around. This change is the end of scouting as far as I can tell.
Fellow Eagle here (2012) you're absolutely right. I learned so much about self maintenance and sustainability though scouts; alongside how to really follow through with a long term project.
The lack of régimen I saw and am now seeing going on with things like lax uniform rules deeply sadden me.
Next thing you know Eagle required MB's and project requirements will be cut. I'm not ecstatic for the future of scouting.
I predict within less than a decade there will start an outflow of scoutleaders willing to do the volunteering because of accusations. Just like how male teachers are fewer and fewer in the elementary and middle school levels.
Best thing would be to just start a splinter organization now.
Unfortunately you can’t make a splinter org once the jaws of progressivism has taken hold. They’ll attack you and call you all the hateful words that you are and won’t stop until you kill yourself. I considered inviting neighborhood kids to take part with my sons in creative scoutlike events. Of course that would take fund raising and etc. I’d imagine it would work right up until word gets out it’s a boys only event. Then I’d get sued.
Also an eagle. Pretty upset about this, doubt I'll put my future sons into the program now. They won't learn anything from a disjointed fragment of what BSA once was.
Another eagle here. I probably won't either since it has been stripping itself of what made it good. Now it's becoming a daycare center for middle and high schoolers.
I agree, I am an Eagle scout, my nephew is currently a scout (likely not for long) and the quality of the scouts has greatly diminished since my time. It is common and even accepted for them to be on their phones during outings, and some have serious behavioral issues that the leadership is not equipped to deal with.
Same. Eagle Scout here as well, also from a family of Eagle Scouts.
It's really unfortunate. I consider getting my Eagle one of my great accomplishments in life, and now it's been devalued. And then you have to think about what to do with your sons - where will they go now to get that same type of experience that we all had.
It's like bill burr says, girls just can't have their own shit. They throw a tantrum until they get included in whatever activity that men are doing and then ruin it from the inside.
Source for all those: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWhZ2XS08aQ
Highly relevant
Just look at his expression when he says "you know what makes women happy? Nothing."
That's the look of a man who still remembers how it felt to swallow the red pill for the first time.
"Girls only" shit is fucking boring, that's why. Men offer excitement in their redundant lives.
Lol thats so true. I’m in a frat and I was just talking with my buddies that the only reason girls join sororities is for all the fun fraternities provide.
100% Besides - when girls are having a "girls only" slumber party or whatever, they usually spend the entire time talking about boys.
Source: have sisters.
Enjoy it while it lasts. Fraternities are next. The will go after frats using equal housing laws by saying that refusing to rent to women is discrimination. Frats will either have to go coed or give up their physical houses, either of which will destroy them. Fraternity life has already been ridiculously watered down in the last 10 years.
You’re dead on dude that war has already begun. Its a whole post worth of shit of universities going after frats and suspension/expulsion coming easily. Theres already a bill i believe going around somewhere that bans all fraternities state wide.
Fraternities need to dissacociate from both the universities and their national overlords. Neither provide any value.
The left is waging war on many fronts and we are just bending over and taking it.
Eagle Scout here (2003). I won’t be donating any more money. They have ruined a fantastic organization. 0% chance my future sons will enroll. I will gladly teach them those skills myself.
Please write the organization a lettter to tell them this.
Excellent point. I will write to them.
Wow I am really triggered. Why are these shitlords only allowing cisgenders into the Scouts?
What about the genderless? What about pangendereds and the Hijras and Ambonecs and Ceterofluid people?
This is sickening, we need the Heliogender Scouts, too.
I know it's an easy target due to today's environment but they aren't actually doing it for ideological reasons. The Boy Scouts are in massive decline and this is an attempt to boost enrollment numbers by any means necessary. They're desperate.
So they need more shekels and the only solution is to let girls in. This still seems like it’s in the same ballpark.
Organizations with a long history of proud tradition can't drum up business by compromising their core integrity.
Besides feminism could still be to blame for low enrollment.
Single mothers sure as hell aren't enrolling their children in the boy scouts. Lots of fathers aren't men anymore, lady boys. Society is getting soft, and removing the scouts teachings and structure is a grave mistake.
or, y'know, the thousands of reported cases of child sexual abuse by BSA leaders across all 50 states could also be to blame.
but nahhhh, men are great and women are bad, so it must be feminism to blame. :\
Thousands huh? Source or get your bitch ass back to /twoYchromosomes faggot
So this change fundamental change in the organization's operating principles, is all about preventing pedophiles? Have you considered female pedophiles also exist (but nobody cares, because they only rape boys, lol)?
Yep, this is the real answer. Everyone complaining needs to acknowledge this
Yeah. Not everything is some grand anti man feminist conspiracy.
True. But this is.
Dubious. I doubt Scout leadership would do this if there wasn't the whole feminism PC bullshit LGBTQFJjKjhks
Eagle Scout here, my dad was our troop master and is still involved with the adult leadership training.
The BSA is a dying organization, this is an attempt to stave off the wolves for a few more years. Membership is down in part because kids either don't want to leave their screens, or parents don't want to to spend the effort taking them to meetings/trips/camp. They especially don't want to go through that for multiple kids. So parents have complained about needing to choose between taking their boys and their girls to 2 separate organizations, planning 2 sets of meetings/trips/camps and usually decide to just not bother with either.
I’m glad to see you post here, as well as in the fatFIRE and financial independence subreddits.
I've been involved with TRP style communities online since 1987. Over 30 years. Freakish actually.
FIRE since 2005.
I actually don't do fatFIRE but more leanFIRE but people think I do fatFIRE because I own multiple homes, a string of Rolex watches and 2 sailboats in the Caribbean. I do those frugal-style, though -- I can't afford cable TV or broadband at home, lol.
Damn what kind of trp communities were around in '87?
Congrats on FIRE. That's one of my 10-year goals. Won't be too hard with no wife or kids lol.
TRP as an idea has been around since the 1930s -- psychotherapist Al Ellis used to do PUA in the Bronx back then. Ellis wrote "The art of erotic seduction" back in the 1960s. That book is in PDF form if you rabbit hole enough. Interesting to read and see it's all the same shit from 80 years ago, lol.
The big movement really kicked off with Eric Weber in 1970 when he released "How to pick up girls". Read that, same shit as today.
The first "TRP" type community I found was on Compuserve in 1987 -- they finally shut down last year. It wasn't called TRP back then, of course, but there was a "seductive dating" forum on there as well as a "teach your sons" type deal. I was 13 at the time, probably the only person in 30 miles who had a modem to connect, and my neighbor worked for a government agency so he had extra Compuserve minutes every month he would let me use (he didn't have a modem at home).
I remember connecting the last 2-3 days of the month at 300 bps (your current broadband connections are like 25,000,000 bps speed lol) and just devouring everything I could on women because I was an early bloomer and my dad was a "playboy" player.
After compuserve faded, uunet was thriving in the 90s and then the web poked both of those out.
Do you happen to know how to find Al Ellis's book online? I'm not coming up with much when I look it up.
I'm sure I have a PDF but fml if I can remember which google drive account it's under. I have a hectic week (just got home from a fuckton of months in the Caribbean) and I only have 1GB of mobile data so it'll have to wait until I catch up and can sit down at my cafe and browse the accounts.
I know it's out there, I know I had it, I don't know if I still have it.
I can't tell if these are actually genders or you're being sarcastic. That in itself is depressing....
This is so fucking retarded. This country is fucked. We’ve given women way too much influence over these kinds of decisions and they’re gradually destroying common sense, longstanding institutions, male spaces, etc. Fucking hell.
I am an Eagle Scout too and nothing has ever made me more depressed.
This is fucking ridiculous man. Are you shitting me? Everyone needs to contact leadership right now. Why are there all female spaces where men can't go, but women can freely go everywhere? This is more like gender inequality...no wonder men are getting pissed and not marrying anymore.
The leaders aren't going to do anything, because they're not suffering what the common man is.
It's also been in effect for quite awhile. There have been female dens in cub scouts since Jan, and the plan to roll out female patrols in BSA troops was announced at the same time. The time to complain has long passed, and it would take extreme effort to make them back frack against the pc minions at this point.
I hope their male membership tanks, and those boys can find a relatively good replacement community.
That’s us. Now we need to capitalize on this opportunity.
Boy Scouts 2: electric bugaloo
Get ready for the accusations of rape culture in the scouts when underage sex starts happening and they start throwing young boys in jail and juvenile facilities.
i mentioned this in my own comment, but the boy scouts has been a haven for pedophiles for years. even though the scenario you describe is grim, nothing ruins a boy's life more than being molested. And I'm sorry for showing "sympathy for the devil" here, on TRP, of all places, but liberal feminist women don't rape children, and don't allow men to rape children.
so yeah, sorry guys, but I'm kinda happy this organization is going to crumble.
What?
So wamen are perfect and always protect children? Do you live in the same world?
it's such an unbelievably bad idea.
i was in the scouts back in the day and based on some.of the shit that went down i'm actually surprised the BSA hasn't already been sued into oblivion. our camping trips were a bunch of almost completely unsupervised 12 year old boys running amok in the woods with fire and rope and edged weapons. and full contact capture the flag. one year at summer camp it was pouring down rain one day and for some reason the whole troop got into a huge brawl in the mud. it was some lord of the flies shit. i can't even imagine mixing girls into that kind of environment.
That's the toxic masculinity that they want to end. Add some girls into the mix and soon it'll all be "too violent" so that'll give them an excuse to make the boys do more female activities.
Thats exactly the kind of rituals boys need to become men.
Which is why they're trying to put an end to it. They want to raise boys like girls.
My fucking exwife wants my 5 year old son to "wear pink and take danceand gymnastics" instead of martial arts so he can " be himself".
I'm sorry to hear. I'd seriously stay on top of that. I could see her in a couple of years say he's trans and needs to go on HRT.
She's trying to put him on prozac right now but thats another thread I guess.
“I don’t understand why he is disinterested in everything and moping all the time. Better fuck with his brain chemistry while it’s still developing! That will fix him!”
I took gymnastics and karate because I wanted to be a ninja.
Haha fuck ya dude. My grandma owned a gymnastics studio and I spent alot of time in there as a kid...i wish I had actually participated instead of just sitting in the lobby playing my gameboy, drinking sprite and eating cheetos.
haha yeah I saw this crappy movie about a gymnast who learns kung fu. I can't remember the name but I was really little and I remember thinking, that sounds like a good plan. I beat up a kid who was picking on me and my Dad made me quit both.
That sounds amazing. Glad you experienced that while you still could!
Just sounds like normal boy play. It's why girls shouldn't be anywhere near it.
I wasnt in scouts very long because I joined to late but my very first camping trip we went mountain biking in the middle of winter. This kid almost broke his arm trying to do this jump covered in snow a half mile away from our camp site. He easily could have really hurt himself trying this. It was awesome.
The average American man is a fat beer drinking football watching Cuck, if he can't put his wife in her place how is an amalgamation of Cucks gunna put an amalgamation of wives in their place?
We can sit around blaming women for this but ultimately men sat around and let this happen
The destruction of Boys scouts gives us and men like us the opportunity to create youth organizations with our values.
Red Pill Youth!
No Cuck dads allowed.
Feminism was a shit test that men failed.
I'd donate some gravel to that every year!
This is just another item in the long list of things to emasculate young boys.
Do you honestly believe they're doing this to help young women? No. I'll tell you what happens. They're going to let women in and instead of them doing things the boy scouts do they're going to start demanding the boys do what girls scouts did. I wouldn't be surprised if they eventually offer a patch for a boy to get in touch with his feminine side by doing something like crafts.
Knives? Shooting? Camping in the wilderness? That'll be "too dangerous" for little Susie so they'll compromise by going to a Disney movie.
And the feminine imperative rolls on...
Honestly how much longer are we going to let this shit continue?
Are you paying attention? They caved because they are weak. No longer deserving of respect.
Until we take away women’s suffrage.
Another step towards the feminization of society. Starting them young now.
Alphas are a dying breed. Luckily we still have places like TRP to help those who want to help themselves.
In the feminist mind anything all male is misogynistic and discriminating towards females. Hamstering at its finest.
Normally we would have masculine men to set these women straight. But since men have started becoming women themselves, there isn’t any offset.
Yes, we have TRP...for now. I do hope that somebody is creating a back-up plan in case this place goes down...
Go to the sidebar and add your email to the list if you want to be notified where to go if the sub gets taken down.
Well there goes the dads night out vibe on camp outs. The sane moms always stayed home for a reason. Great, now the skits are gonna be gay. The food is gonna be healthy. The free time is gonna be safe. Fuck that dude. What a shame.
Lol I was sash and dash, but the OA ceremony they did around a huge bonfire where they had dudes sprinting FULL SPEED around the circle literally grabbing kids into the night was always epic.
And yeah this was inevitable, it's kinda sad to feel a part of the downfall, and witness it first hand, when I was a kid I had so many great male role models to look up to and when I left, I hoped I was one myself, but I saw that less and less importance was placed on the real issues and more on resume builders
You fucking simps.
I’m an eagle scout coming from a family with 4 kids, 2 girls, 2 boys, and we were all in girl/boy scouts where we all attained the final award (Gold Award and Eagle Scout respectively). Both of my parents were involved in the leadership of my scout troop.
Let’s ignore the fact that scouting, both boy and girl, have had declining levels of participation for who knows how long. Let’s ignore the fact that both organizations are basically not for profit businesses trying to keep involvement levels up. Let’s ignore that from my experience witnessing both organizations that BSA has a largely superior structure and experience progressing through the ranks and attaining the necessary skills (merit badges).
Let’s also ignore the fact it seems like everyone commenting here has not been paying attention to the releases about how they plan to change the structure of the organization to accommodate girls. Troops get to decide if they go co-ed and if a troop goes co-ed, then girls are in their own patrols with their own patrol leaders. While yes, this doesn’t negate the distraction caused by having girls and boys in the same troop, it’s still nowhere near as bad as the pure idealists sitting on their couches philosophizing would have you believe.
Women have been involved in Boy Scouts for a long time, probably longer than anyone here would even know about, supporting the organization as it was. I may be tainted by my personal experience having gotten my eagle in 2005, back before the start of the leftward swing in the late 2000’s, but still it’s stupid to think that all of the girls wanting to join the new “Scouts BSA” are going to be hardcore feminists through and through, who’ve bought it hook line and sinker and want to destroy all of the traditionalism that as survived in the organization from it’s inception. BSA still has close ties with religion and the religious community, especially since most troops are based out of/sponsored by churches.
Are they going to change the Scout Law? A Scout is trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, obedient, cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean, and REVERENT.
Are they going to change the Scout Oath? On my honor I will do my best to do my duty, to GOD and my country, and to obey the Scout Law, to help other people at all times, to keep myself physically strong, mentally awake, and morally straight.
The overall point being, traditional organizations typically attract traditional people/participation. Let’s not act like this is the end of the scout experience for boys.
And one step further, let’s not act like BSA has been doing a great job of raising Red Pill aware people. If anything, because of their close ties with religious organizations, I’d be inclined to think they had much to do with the blue pill indoctrination of young people. Sure their list of merit badges and various experiences are great for helping people get introductory exposure to a lot of different subjects, but having been in the organization and seeing the people in it, they sure as hell weren’t Alphas. And a lot of the dads weren’t Alphas. A lot of the leadership at the council and national levels were a bunch of old overweight men who could barely stand let alone give young boys a good/healthy understanding of intergender dynamics.
In the end, either you’re a free thinker or not. Either your emotions rule you or not. A lot of these comments are no better than the daily, useless, emotional drivel people post on social media websites. Think critically or get fucked.
Thank you! I’m guessing 98% of commenters didn’t read the article which states:
Scouts BSA, the program for 11-to-17-year-olds, will stay divided along gender lines. Single-sex troops will have the chance to work toward the Eagle Scout rank.
OP was intentionally reactionary and deceptive.
It's the same shit the feminists do: Read a headline, interpret it through a confirmation bias fueled lens and then freak out meanwhile the facts are right there if you dig a little.
People can write down anything. I guess someone has to believe it.
The comments are read for entertainment and to be funny, not for actual correct facts.
It’s an incremental assault. That’s how the left works. How many times are you going to fall their bullshit?
They don’t destroy institutions or enact their social engineering all at once. They make very small changes, then accuse everyone of overreacting. Then when people get used to the status quo, they push it a little further. They do this over and over until they have achieved their goal. There are so many examples of this in action that I’m not even going to list any. It’s their modus operandi and it has been for decades.
Make no mistake, it's a big defeat. If nothing else, it's an attack on a symbol of the American Man. They hate us and will attack and demoralize anything and anyone that stands for manhood and male values.
BSA is not just a bunch of words on paper, it is a people and a culture. Change the people and the culture will be changed. Adding just a few women immediately shuts down the most "male" aspects of culture.
If the women just wanted the program, they could have made a new "girls BSA", or done something with GSA rather than throwing them under the bus. It's typical "progressive" – attacking the male institution even at the expense of the female one.
Watering down the program to stop declining member numbers is putting out the fire with gasoline.
They took a big scalp. Saying it ain't so isn't "free thinking", it's lying to yourself.
You aware of how various churches are taken over by Leftists, then immediately women and sodomites can be priests/bishops/etc, and all the doctrines and moral requirements are suddenly optional or completely void and eventually dropped completely?
Dead, dead, dead. Empty words that have been drained of all meaning by actions, maybe someday they'll get around to changing it, maybe not. "God" part, they let in atheists. "Morally straight," they let in sodomites. What matters if the words remain? They're an institution of the Enemy now.
The point is to weaken Western society until it is soft enough for a foreign culture to take over.
Amen. I hadn't really thoughts about the Boy Scouts in years, but they absolutely were an important building block for a lot of boys to develop into men.
Which is, of course, the real reason the enemies want to destroy them, or water them down into meaninglessness. Concur with your prognostications:
Standards for badges, ranks (including an especially Eagle Scout) will fall to meaninglessness. Scoutmasters will become replaced by beta white knights and shrikes.
Girls and beta boys will doing Eagle Scout projects that are bullshit like 'a campaign to make 1000 social justice posts on Twitter' or 'losing a little weight I should have never put on in the first place' instead of the old shit like building a fucking working boat from scratch.
There will be lots more tone policing and rules. So many rules. Rambunctiousness will become medicalize and criminalized at scout events like it has been in public schools.
Eagle Scout will become meaningless on resumes, removing the original argument for letting girls in. Which was stupid to begin with b/c Girl Scouts already had its own equivalent (Gold Rank or whatever it was called).
The Red Pill Manlets can replace BSA.
You say this jokingly, but if there's demand for a boys-only organization, doesn't this open up a door for another one to step in? Maybe we could even start one.
this time without the child molesters, plz
Good idea. We'll be sure to ask everyone if they're a child molester first. Problem solved.
No. Make any applicants sit in a chair with a level on their lap. Show them a slideshow of kids in underwear or whatever. If the level moves, the floor opens and they're dropped into a pit of komodo dragons.
with my sick, twisted, and demented mind set and ideas on crime and punishment, I have to say I REALLY like the way you think!
I was a BSA adult volunteer and my wife was a GS leader (keyword, WAS) but now its all about Trail Life and American Heritage Girls. The problem with "coed easymode scouts" is partially that it sux compared to the glory days of BSA, partially that we already have 4H.
Another eagle scout reporting in. I agree wholeheartedly. There is value in educating the sexes differently, especially when it comes to private organizations. Its a shame the girl scouts never got their act together, and a shame the BSA is coed now.
their membership has been dropping for almost two decades. they need money and members to keep themselves afloat. i don't think they really give two shits about the founding values anymore and only the bottom line. they also say that the genders will be divided in the program.
We need like, War Camp.
Two teams duke it out over the summer. First to successfully capture the enemy intel/flag wins. But the flag or whatever is heavily guarded, and there’s a few days where you can’t assault the flag full force. It’s like Halo CTF, just on a grand scale
Go for it, that sounds pretty fucking cool.
they lost a lot of members when the Mormons pulled out, but they would have been content to stay had the BSA stuck to their principles. they pandered to the SJWs and it creates a feedback loop, where the good people don't want to be part of an organization that panders to SJWs, and so they have to pander more to stay afloat, so then more people leave, etc....
I heard Mormons have a weak pull out game.
This is what's actually happening. They're not caving to feminism, BSA is just desperate for membership at this point.
The girl scouts is shit. They just use slave child labor to sell cookies. If they want to learn skills they are pretty much fucked. As a once boy scout I welcome all scouts.
Aussie Scout Leader here. Scouts down under have been co-ed for 40+ years. Ask me anything about leading co-ed scouts. - camping - badge work.
When I was in the army, we were held to a certain standard and women were held to a lower one. They carried lesser weight in marches, did lesser press ups, pull ups and crunches and had a wider frame of time to complete runs. If the military can't understand that bullets are blind and the enemy will be an equal opportunity killer, how can we expect the boy scouts to hold girls to the same standards?
Never was a boy scout, but I'm sad to see boys lose a pillar they could once cling to for becoming men, especially when men today are such a bunch of pansies.
country's goin to shit, i tell ya.
i sound like a white protestant boomer who lives in a farmtown. and my brown ass is sitting here in a highrise studio with skinny jeans on. i guess that's when you know the country's REALLY goin to shit.
I actually just passed my eagle board of review last week becoming one of the top 2% of all scouts.
After being in the scouts since elementary school as a cub, rising through the ranks with my brothers by my side, learning new skills, testing myself physically and pushing myself to my mental and physical extremes. Learning how to build a fire, cut wood, behave like a man.
From sleeping in a hammock at sea base to climbing mount Phillips at Philmont. I’ve done all of it.
The best memories I have of scouting are when my brothers and I pushed ourselves as hard as we could.
Note the word “brother” , the bsa was founded on masculinity as well as masculine values. I have noticed a very rapid decline in the quality of new scouts that we are inducting into our troop, they are getting smaller, weaker and less focused.
Although they are getting worse these are the kids that need scouting the most. These are the boys misled by society,fed poor nutrition and lacking a masculine figure.
I will never turn my back on someone willing to learn and if these boys want to learn, I will teach them. Because I know that at one point in time I was that kid.
Now add girls to the equation, it’s not going to be good at all. It’s a fact that girls are not at strong as boys. A lot of what the scouts do requires strength, so in turn we are going to have to lower the standards for girls to participate.
Lowering the standards means more Eagle Scouts.
More Eagle Scouts means a devaluation of the rank of Eagle Scout.
I’m glad I got out of scouts just in time.
Probably happening before they let girls in anyway...
Mandatory training sessions on rape avoidance and sexual harassment in fucking 3... 2... 1...
I'm an Eagle Scout, Brotherhood member of OA, and a Firebuilder in Mic-O-Say. I cannot be more disgusted with what is happening to BSA.
An informal institution which I hope is still alive and well is the hunt camp.
Although I did try to get my wife and daughters to come along, regaling them with tales of hanging your arse over a log and wiping your behind with leaves was enough to dissuade them from participating.
My son on the other hand loved it. Although he was too young at the time to shoot a rifle, he quickly learned how to scout for deer and in the week he spent with us became quite the accomplished woodsman. The fact that he was among men was the singular experience of his age and even now many years later he still speaks fondly of that time.
I am all for girls learning what boys do in Boy Scouts.
Change Girl Scouts, not Boy Scouts
The BSA has tried to merge with the GSA since the 80's(maybe even 70's) as a place where all children can learn skills and not be little shitbags. The GSA is all about money and the BSA does stuff like charity work. The GSA didn't want to merge cause they are all about using kids to make money. The GSA has allowed girls for some time now and it hasn't been a male space for decades.
It is amazing how this has gone. I think from the same perspective in that young men and boys need their fathers, I believe the "scouts" need the "Boy" Scouts. It is part of having positive male role models in these boys lives. It is even more vitally important when a lot of these boys don't grow up with a good father figure in the house.
On another point, a number of years ago there was an young adult male leadership training organization with actually an equivalent female only version of the organization. The Supreme Court ruled that they had to allow women in. In doing so the two organizations merged to form one group. I really felt that it became the downfall of that organization. I don't know why there was a problem keeping the organizations separate. If a woman wants to be a part of the men's organization, fine, but allow it be a male space. In the same manner, if a girl wants to be in boy scout, fine, but allow it be a male space.
We're not blank slates, that becomes very apparent when we all get out in the dating pool.
My suggestion is to move the boys to martial arts. There are plenty of dojos with traditional japanese and chinese values and some organize summer camps. MMA is less traditional, but many teachers still follow japanese values.
Many dojos are pretty independent from one another (except for competitions), so if you are not happy at one place, you can go to another. This independence also prevents top-down inclusiveness BS.
I was one. Part of being a Cub / Boy Scout was earning badges and progressing through the ranks. I'm almost certain they will now dumb everything down and make the progression easier so the little girls can do it.
Real question: Where can I now raise my son to develop into a man?
Russia. The Middle East. Southern America.
Im confused. They let girls into boy scouts now so it is no longer even the boy scouts, just scouts of amereica? But the girl scouts still get to keep "girl" in their name but do they accept boys? This is pretty blatant of how society is degrading men into a bunch of pussys and incles. A real shame, yet another reason to stay improving and lifting to be a role model. How can we adults reach the youth these days to spread the truth? is it even worth it?
As an Eagle Scout (with all Palms) and a Brotherhood Member of the OA, I cannot agree with this enough.
Most of my closest friends in adult life, are also Eagles. We did not meet through Scouting. We met through college, fraternity, work, and the military; but Scouting instilled something in us that drew us together. In each of them I recognized a leader, and someone I could call a brother. When I found out they are also Eagle Scouts it instantly created a fraternal bond that helped cement our friendship.
I mourne for the loss of my brotherhood, and hope our members speak out in enough numbers to revert the progressive cancer.
In the meantime I suppose I'll have to start laying out plans for a new young mens leadership group, so my sons will have something to join one day.
This post is so spot on.
Why are there few if any female garbage collectors grabbing my barrels every week?
Where are the women plumbers at?
Women dilute the efforts of men already in action through complaining about work that needs to be done, while simultanesouly extolling the virtues of being better than that but knowing full well it needs to be done, lmao.
The epitome of privilege; it's not the politicians, it's the females.
As soon as the first boys will not try to get into the BSA the whole institution will fall. BSA lived simply by men feeling the need for helping the next generations of men, tutoring them so to speak. Imagine when all those volunteers just drop out.
https://www.traillifeusa.com/
Eagle scout here. I also recommend Trail Life USA. The same community of people that were in my Boy Scout Troop are now in Trail Life. I expect that they will be growing rapidly due to this. As far as I know they are the most drop-in replacement like organization to the former BSA.
Can't we start a new Boy Scouts of America since the Old Boy Scouts of America aren't using the name anymore?
American Scout Boys. Make it just different enough.
Sounds like a good name for a synthcore band.
I think this is great. When I was in Boy Scouts it was the gayest experience of my life. Safe to say it brainwashed me to be bp. Following fucking losers into submission, do what we say. Stop doing what we don’t want. Half the kids were booger picking bible thumping losers, along with the parents. Some kids were assholes and I liked that shit. Knew who the role models were that got shit done then talked shit about people. The rest were Pokémon players. But we were kids not that it mattered. Now these kids are going to be fucking each other left and right like the good old bible camps. Boy Scouts was gay as fuck.
I feel like I'm missing into the wind at this point. The Venture crew has been available since 1998. It's coed and In the Boy Scouts why wasn't everyone just directed to the homepage when the issue came up?. It's almost exclusively focused on doing fun shit innawoods or onnaocean.
It's a sad day, but it has been in the making for a while. They let wemon be counselors a long time ago, then let let girls join, and now this. They will circle the drain for a little while longer before they close up shop.
I was a Boy Scout in both the USA and Mexico. In Mexico the same organization allowed boys and girls, but in a "Separate but equal" sort of set up with completely separate patrols, group leaders, and activities, we never intermingled. All my memories of them was that they were usually doing dainty stuff while all the boys were doing very rough & tumble type of things. If we had been in the same patrols there would have been such a high level of injuries on the girls or our activities would have had to been taken down to their level dainty level. Then when I joined the Boy Scouts in the USA things were never as rough as in the Mexican Boy Scouts but we definitely did things that were far more technical and dangerous due to the equipment used. I can't imagine how handling axes, saws, hatchets, knives, hammers, fire, and more knives is going to play out with all these girls in the mix. And forget about the obstacle courses and things like that.
Heck, Summer Camp in the blistering Texas heat to a little kid was like a frikin' POW camp, you had the homesick kids that would just completely lose it and have a total mental breakdown, bugs, humidity, and of course fights galore.
This really hits hard as I recently came across an old BSA catalog I had while cleaning my house, which brought back a lot of memories, good times...
This is going to be such a mess......so long BSA.
Corrosive Feminism. I like it.
that ladies and gentlemen, is why I love the Freemasons.
Don't worry op. Blue collar jobs are still male exclusive. We still have that.
Ya dont just see this as a money grab by the boy scouts lmao?
It won’t stop there. Later they have to include 72 other genders as well.
Transgenders were allowed in earlier this year.
You haven’t been paying attention.
Too many of us haven't been.
I was one. I remember wearing my uniform and running around outside on a huge lawn while the sun was going down, we were passing the time until we could have an actual meeting in a large barn. I can't remember what the fuck we were doing, lol.
In between the second and third punic Wars, the Roman Senator Cato the Elder recognized that Carthage, though weakened and humbled, would always be a threat to Rome as it could always rebuild its wealth and prestige through its skill as a seafaring trading city. He therefore ended every speech, no matter the topic, by stating “Carthago dalenda est.” Carthage must be destroyed.
In like manner, I now believe that nothing will ever be fixed until women’s franchise is eliminated. I will end every post by stating, “female suffrage must be destroyed.”
one of my cousins got his Eagle Scout rank bout 5 or 6 years ago....don't recall exactly. I'm curious to see what his opinion is regarding this skulduggery. Noah......if you're out there......Clemson still sucks! :-)
Yes, girls will ruin the boy scouts, totally. You don't even know them but obviously none of them would want to partake in these kind of activities. And uniforms will only be fashion statements to ALL of them. Funny how I saw former girl scouts complaining about not doing any of these activities and how they would have stayed if they had done the same things the boy scouts did. But yeah, sure, keep on blaming them. Also, what about your future daughters? What if they wanted to join this group. Screw them, cause they are female right? Fuck I hate guys like you who blame everything on girls and women. I hope you never marry or get a daughter cause my full condolescenes go to her for having such a terrible father.
It's very simple, just look at who owns it:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randall_L._Stephenson
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_B._Surbaugh
Randall L. Stephenson is the current chairman, CEO, and president of AT&T/SBC, appointed by Bush for some important advisory committee for telecommunications, and is a member of the council of foreign relations (now the BSA's progressive infection makes sense).
These people want to see maaculinity die, either because they think they're saving the world, or because they want to destroy and own the world.
The Boy Scouts is going to simply turn into high school. There will be no sense of unity/comradery, the "hive mind" of the troop that people in the military very often experience. Instead, it will be the guys competing for the girls, and the girls internally destroying all relations via the group behavior most women exhibit. The point of scouts is for unigender groups of people developing themselves and learning how to become part of a greater whole. When the genders are mixed, the group falls apart.
Recent Eagle here (2017). As someone that recently just graduated and joined the recent brotherhood of Eagles I sort of feel as if I have been saved from the onus that bringing girls into the organization would do. I mean man, messing around and exploring at summer camp, screwing around with my patrol on cabin ski trips, our troop's battle camp (capture the flag with nerf guns, super soakers, etc. out in the wild), and my experiences backpacking at Philmont are some of my best memories that I will carry on into my life ahead even if they seem mellow to what other Eagles have done. I think that the influx of girls may just mellow down the standards even more just because "girls can't do them", and it's just sad. When I became an Eagle, before even the announcement that girls were joining the organization I had sworn that if I do grow up and have a son that he would become an Eagle like me. I don't know if that is the case anymore.
If you were ever a scout you would have seen this coming. Organization is so bureaucratic it deserved to crash and burn.
But hey if i was a little dude i wouldnt mind going on camping trips with girls tbh
What I think is truly hilarious about this is actually that the Girl Scouts don't want this to happen. They think the fucking boy scouts should stay just for boys. It's literally the dumbass beta men who run boy scouts and their SJW puppet masters that want this to happen.
Girl Scouts the organization doesn’t want this to happen so they can retain more members. Their stance is common sense from a financial perspective, not sure why it’s so hilarious o.O. It’s more than expected.
One possible solution here is to start up a clone organization based off the BSA of old, and make sure the people in charge of the organization are hardcore supporters of the traditional style of the BSA. That way any serious father will send their sons to that instead and the BSA will just fade off the radar. Nothing is stopping this from happening and it should. The experiences of the traditional BSA can be saved by doing so but sadly the BSA itself is finished.
I think the solution is pretty simple, and scouts was tainted pretty hard anyway what with all the molestation issues and church involvement.
In your community, host your own organizations for teaching now-relevant male-dominated skills to the youth. You don't even really have to worry about it being a boys only organization until the group hits puberty, but what are the chances of a girl enrolled in your super manly program actually sticking it out once that happens and not just bailing to pursue stuff she actually wants to do?
If anything scouts is super fucking outdated. Modernizing and replacing it with something better is probably a better option now, and look how easy theyve made it for you. They did this because they are a FAILING organization right now. Individual troops run by great folks might be thriving, but the organization as a whole has a bad rap (molestation shit) and u know, nobody cares about camping and survivalness in 2018 when you can call ems in 2 seconds and literally always have a computer in your pocket.
the male space has to evolve to keep pace.
Lack of modernization is part of the appeal of BSA. You don't need modernization when camping. The "modernized" books that I saw while in scouts were worse than the old ones. The old handbooks had lots of useful information about everything to do with hiking and camping. The newer ones were fairly useless in that regard.
I ended up with my dads boy scout handbook from the sixties. Thing is fucking lit. They talk to you like you are in basic, not a youth organization.
But thats just like, your opinion man.
All the information you need on hiking and camping can be looked up in .2 seconds now. Experience trumps data for sure, but you don't NEED scouts for that.
But the data backs me up anyway, there is a reason the scouts are doing poorly. They don't know how to attract parents to enroll their boys anymore, so now they're enrolling their girls.
You could just as easily replace half the typical boyscout curriculum with electronics training, learning how to program, etc, and keep camping and hiking in there as trips, and you'd have a more attractive program for parents.
I for one can't wait to purchase "scout" cookies.
With such generic and bland and safe space names like
"coconut infused artisanal wafer"
and
"almond butter truffle mini-scone"
Another Eagle here, OA as well. My brothers were also Eagles.
Words fail me. This makes me very sad.
As an Eagle Board Rep and Scout Leader with 2 sons as Eagles, I have reviewed all of the posts and clearly the Eagles who posted feel devalued. No doubt society in general will understand the same and know that the program will not result in the same character building which the program produced. I would suggest to all whenever referring to your Eagle Accomplishment (resume, or other) make the distinction, "pre - Scouts BSA".
I always wanted to join a Boy Scout organisation (countries where I lived, didn't have them)...
How long before there's the "Real Boy Scouts of America"?
Ok, americans.. what are you doing about it?
They were hemorrhaging members...this was their attempt to stay alive and keep a member base. I don't see it as progressives attack them and them bowing to social pressures.
I'm gonna chime in here, as a former cub and scout.
It's funny to see all this drama about girls joining the scout movement. The scout troop I was in, and many others had girls in them. Not many, often they were the daughters of the leaders / helpers. But there were girls.
Nothing changed, the only thing that was adapted was that on camp the girls would sometimes share one tent. The girls that joined were all tom boys, and none of the activities were curtailed or changed because of 'girls'
Time for a new Boys Organisation. The Scouts are dead but they can be replaced. I am pretty sure lots of actual parents of boys want their sons to grow into men not baking pansies. An exclusive group for boys will emerge and Charlie Mike all the way.
Sons of Men. Sons & Brothers
Whatever. Nature abhors a vacuum and it will be filled
Is there a petition we can sign to get the BSA reinstated?
It's sad that not are only all the adult male spaces gone so now too will be the last space for boys.
Ya know. I was fine with them accepting gay scouts into the BSA. My line of thought was young men would all benefit from being a part of the organization.
But women? Nah. They have girl scouts. They also had the option of venture scouts also.
I think it's important for men to have organizations to belong to (just like I think women benefit from all women organizations). The last bastion of all-Male organizations are fraternities and religious affiliated organizations like the Masons and Shriners.
This is truly sad. As an eagle scout, I don't know if my sons will get to do scouting or not (assuming I have kids).
My mom was my Cub Scout “Den Mom”.
My dad was my Boy Scout troop leader.
I loved every minute of it.
No fucking way I’m letting my6 year old son participate in this bullshit.
Den mothers are not a bad idea, it's symbolic to have that transition into male leadership as one goes from being a "cub" to being a "boy." There was a lot of common sense and thought put into the BSA structure.
Definitely. It was an amazing time. And she treated the boys like boys. She helped me carve my first Pinewood Derby racer!
There's a reason the story of Adam and Eve is one of the first ones in the Bible, same for Pandora's Box.
Whenever you have an all male space that introduces women, it always goes to shit.
Every day I have a better understanding of original sin.
Eagle Scout here. This makes me want to cry but I don't do that. Seriously I think back to my experience in the 90's and how our troops and patrols worked - it will be FUCKING IMPOSSIBLE to include girls and keep the same tight ship running. Female patrol leaders?! Forgetaboutit. Knives, guns, fires, 10 mile hikes through the mountains - fucking forgetaboutit. I feel sorry for the Scout masters since they will be the ones being Daddy to the girls. They will have to carry their packs because they packed too much shit than they can carry. This shit just makes me wanna vomit that is all.
Ya know, I was in scouting all through my formative years.
You learn a lot of those hard lessons there. In public schools, they are inclusive. Nobody can be treated differently.
In scouts, if you fucked up, you definitely felt it. If you packed your stuff wrong, tough shit. Your hike is going to be miserable. Enjoy.
But stuff like that, it helps you learn how to get squared away. I grew up on the borderline in time where society was first starting to experiment with these cucked ideas and practices. Growing up, ya know, I would hear about some of the "anything goes" societal changes happening. Probably not really understanding it, but we would hear about it.
But man, getting a week in the woods every now and then - only the guys, and only a subset of guys who willingly signed up and enjoyed the environment of scouts, that put it all into perspective. Not just that, but it's those boys, and then the men who volunteered to lead scouts. You just couldn't beat it.
Everyone I know who was out there developed better character because of it I think. Kids growing up in modern city need to get out there with some male role models and just do guy stuff.
Say whatever you want, but I mean at 12, 13, 14? Kids look young, but the guys are already thinking about pussy. I guarantee it. Adding girls to the troops will be a huge distraction. Fuck the whole system up if you ask me.
while i do not agree with this move, one true positive thing that can be said about the entry of women into this organization is it will cease to be a haven for pedophiles.
say what you want about how shitty women can be, but an overwhelming amount of statistical evidence shows they just do not molest, and only the most severely warped of catholic nuns and battered wives knowingly allow a man to molest children.
Absolute Bullshit. "wamen just do not molest ". LOL.
dude, you're out of your mind. think about the difference in sex drives between men and women. this notion that men and women are equal in their desire for sex is fkn insane.
Nearly all offenders in child sexual assaults reported to law enforcement were male (96%).
before you say what that other guy said, that rapes perpetrated by females are underreported for whatever reason, rapes by men are also underreported out of fear, shame, loyalty, etc.
get ur head out of your ass
I'm out of my mind for not segregating sexes by saying one is perfect and never commits a type of crime? Fuck off and grow up. ALL child molesters should get what they deserve.
That's your 4th reply in this thread about pedophiles. Just who is obsessed with them here? Go away while we mourn our loss.
is it really so hard for you to put 2 and 2 together and figure out why I might care about this issue more than you?
Ranting about how females *don't rape children* is going to help how?
Was in scouts my whole youth. Never heard of any pedophiles.
I'm not a doomsday kinda guy...
But this is the beginning of the fucking end.
Hey guess what I’m in SA and I DONT CARE! Everybody should be able to be a higher rank in the military and a better resume because believe me girls scouts looks boring as all hell
As a lady, I think Boy Scouts belongs to the boys and is a good place for them to learn camaraderie and life skills. Letting girls in inherently changes the organization and does the future and current scouts a disservice.
"As a lady."
Can't you guys ever just chime in without letting everyone know you have a vagina?
Who didn't see this coming when we started allowing women into SF/Ranger school.
I've still yet to hear of a woman making it through a non-watered down version of BUD/S so at least one portion of the special forces arena is still safe......for now.
The group will splinter. There will be a new boy scouts. This one should just be renamed the Beta Scouts.
I don't usually post, but this is too close to my heart. I worked for a long time to get my Eagle rank, now I am almost embarrassed of it. BSA gave me a lot, but it's impossible to justify what they're doing.
I want to say something that most people are ignoring: nobody in the organization was asked how they felt about these decisions. There were no questions to local councils, troops, individual members, nothing. We had no say. It's a group of cucked executives that have been tricked into believing the feminist bullshit.
RIP Boy Scouts, you gave me a lot, I wish you deserved something back.
Just another example of society's double standard when it comes to men and women.
Women are allowed women only gyms. They are allowed days on golf courses where no men are allowed. They are actually encouraged to hold their own networking events and award ceremonies. Yet if men do the same thing its oppression and a reason for a woman to want to join that thing just to make a statement.
I'm actually happy I have girls and I can help turn them into red pill women rather than boys that are going to be subjected to this garbage at every turn.
I was in Scouts Canada for a year as a kid and we had girls (and called them "Girl Scouts") and a female scoutmaster. I didn't really like it since I wasn't a cultural fit for them and the female scoutmaster seemed to take joy in demeaning me. I never went back.
I presume that this BSA is controlled by the state, yes? Then why don't people create a privately-owned alternative to that?
It's a private nonprofit that enjoys a lot of perks from the government.
I predict a drop in donations and male membership. The Scouts are over.
According to them its good for girls to have separate spaces. Its not good for boys because it breeds toxic masculinity and rape culture---that separate space shouldn't be allowed.
Notice how they ban fraternities and other traditionally male groups but never touch traditionally womens' groups?
One of the reasons why I am looking at Freemasonry.
It’s one of the last places for men.
They have a youth boys organization called De Molay named after the famous final commander of the Templar.
What if the local Boy Scout organization refuses to let girls in? What then?
Anyways, nothing is sacred these days. Nothing.
I know of places where this will happen. Either lawsuits will happens or new replacement troops with better marketing and funding will be created to smother the resistance.
Just another bunch of quacks running course down the river. They fail to see the beauty of what's in front of them until they turn around and see what it's looked like all covered in their shit.
Good opportunity to make a new organization.
R.I.P. Spooky cookies
I don’t know if that’s really a thing but I asked a dude in boot camp who was all on about how scouts prepared him for this and that. He got super defensive so me thought the scouts doth protest to much