In-Depth Plate Theory for Nerds: Nerdy Girls As A Proving Ground

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I thought I would put this out there because this is what I did in college to combat the fact that I felt woefully unprepared for the sexual marketplace in any way. This felt unethical to me at the time because of BP programming, but nowadays I actually think it might have been the best decision I ever made. I sort of discovered elements of plate theory on my own and remade them to fit my personal circumstances.

This is specifically for men who are circulating around what I would call the "nerdosphere". In this case, I define "nerdosphere" as a group of men and associated women that would be classified as nerds who are socially isolated from mainstream partying and generally have limited social interactions with others outside of said sphere. I'm talking about a league of legends team, those kids that play dungeons and dragons every friday, people that generally don't party in the traditional sense, etc. This is inevitably a reductive concept but you should have an innate sense of what I'm talking about and whether you are in this sphere. If you are, it's fine for now. Long-term you will have to leave but in the short term you can use this sphere to your advantage.

Your first goal is to assume a position that I will call "King of The Nerds". Being a leader amongst nerds is actually fairly easy if you put your mind to it. But getting to that place does require a big shift in how you view yourself. You may or may not already be a major driving force within your nerd friend group, but either way, you need to begin to distinguish yourself. Obviously the basics like lifting, fashion, generally taking yourself seriously, and internalizing RP texts like The Rational Male etc are critical. Dressing a little better than your nerdy peers, going to the gym frankly at all, having RP consciousness. This level of reinvention is not always easy but, it will put you in a sweet spot where you will still be seen as part of the nerd sphere (because you were and probably still are), but you are a solid cut above your immediate peers.

Now at this stage, you face a potential pitfall. A lot of men will now be seen as safe beta options by some slightly above average women. Nerds, being especially relationship naive, will often immediately transition into an LTR with little to no prior experience because of BP programming. This is the "monogamy as goal" issue that Rollo discusses in TRM, and this is a horrible idea. Do not do that. In most cases, they end with the girl breaking up with you in like 4 months when she gets bored of your beta behaviors. Instead, built a plate portfolio of nerdy girls.

As naive and exploitable as young nerdy guys are, nerdy girls can be quite naive as well and starved in some cases for male attention. When you interact with these women as "King of The Nerds", you are in a position of power, you are the prize and you stand to profit quite a bit. She has so few orbiters that pale in comparison to you that she is limited in her emotional and social ability to mess with you. I have found that from this position it is much easier to establish frame, deflect shit tests (yes even nerdy girls do this), etc. In essence, they are an accessible proving ground with few risks for you. Now, of course, these women may expect or want monogamy more than the average woman but as long as you keep them at a slight distance this should not prove to be too much of an issue. Don't expect quick sex or in some cases any sex from the majority of them, but that's kind of not the point of this exercise. If they have competition anxiety that will push them about as far as they are willing to go, but again you are the prize and are at the center of it all and you want to cultivate that mindset. This would be the optimal time to lose your virginity; in a scenario strongly tilted in your favor.

By the way, this kind of goes without saying, but all of the "dates" that you plan should be within your parameters. Only do activities that you actually want to do, only do activities that fit into your schedule, etc. You can get away with quite a lot with nerdy girls from a position of strength and its better to exert influence than not just to be "nice". Build good habits. For instance, I've had women who were willing drive 2 hours to meet me somewhere before. Every hoop they jump through for you builds YOUR self-confidence.

If this all goes well, congrats you are now a contextual alpha. Transitioning out of the safety net of having mastered nerdy girl game is quite scary at first, but it is well worth it. You may need to undergo a second phase of self-improvement at this time. You should now be targeting women who are "nerdosphere" tourists. These are women who are generally reasonably attractive who happen to float around nerd groups in certain circumstances. I'm talking about that semi-hot girl in your bio lab that has like 30 nerdy male orbiters. These are generally the women that nerdy men feel are accessible enough that they are worth orbiting but are still attractive enough to idealize. You should also be trying to diversify your friend groups and trying to socially break out of the nerdosphere. These women and some new male friends should serve as a plank to transition into new social environments. After this transition, RP and hard work should take you the rest of the distance.

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Title In-Depth Plate Theory for Nerds: Nerdy Girls As A Proving Ground
Author EscapeTheGoat
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Date 13 May 2018 09:44 AM UTC (3 years ago)
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[–]nbneo71 points72 points  (5 children) | Copy

There's just one catch: nerdy girls, at least in the US, tend to be ferocious SJW and feminists. The SF Bay Area sub-species is by far the worst.

[–]killabeesindafront14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy

SF is a weird place. I got kicked out of a place apparently for starting shit when these girls pushed us and spilled our drinks. When I was outside supposedly these girls "felt bad" and offered to buy them drinks.

That said I <3 nerdy girls

The thing is all those girls are dying to be fucked

[–]EscapeTheGoat[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

I've found that these girls kind when they are the SJW variety tend to delude themselves into thinking that they can handle casual relationships. Even though they are not emotionally mature enough for that. Works out for the men though. You just have to steel yourself if the tears come.

[–]greatamericancities4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Have not sampled every location but the SJW strain is so strong in the SF Bay Area that I find it hard to believe any other locale could come close. Maybe Washington DC or Seattle WA, but I doubt it.

[–]1scissor_me_timbers002 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I lived in the Bay Area for a bit. I was pretty disgusted by what it has become. Ridiculous cost of living, ridiculous traffic, ridiculous pollution, ridiculous homelessness, ridiculous attitudes from people, ridiculous ideologies. Such a nice climate too. I’m sure it used to be great. I find Bay Area attitudes generally revolting now. That’s why people like peter thiel and Tim Ferriss have relocated.

[–]what_tf_is_juice1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy


If anything that should make it easier to fuck them. I remember a one night stand I had with this chick, after a night of fucking her brains out, I rolled over in the morning and saw her macbook covered in stickers "trump not my president", "I stand with refugees", the Obama campaign symbol...I couldn't help but just LMAO.

[–][deleted] 33 points34 points  (0 children) | Copy

That's one wall of text but appropriate for dorks.

Could be summarized as make yourself the king of dorks, cuck your friends and become the best man in the environment which in reality isn't that hard, if you're actually wanting to become more masculine.

Nerdy girls are fun sluts, they're shy as fuck but once you get their nasty side out, you'll have a world of pleasure.

You can still be a nerd and get your fuck on, learn how to live first though, like seriously lift and stop jerking off.

with those two, i'm sure you can fuck at your hearts content

[–]Fapisluv69 points70 points  (10 children) | Copy

Whoever says video games/nerd hobbies can't get you girls, must read this post. The girls in these circles are surrounded by betas in both mentality and in appearance(maybe omegas in that aspect). If you read rp and know some principles, and lift and groom yourself decently, you are one of the very few plausible options for a woman in these circles. Even if you have other negatives, like being short, or kinda ugly.

Compare that to the club scene, where to get laid easily you'd have to know the people working in a specific club, be tall and fit, and at the top of your game. The bar is much higher there.

[–]AsianZ1 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

It's not so much that there aren't girls in those hobbies, it's that you really don't want to be with them. Besides the physical issues, there's also lots of weird personality and emotional issues as well. Speaking as someone who has done this before, don't make it a long-term thing to be king nerd. It really is better to not run in those circles at all than be the best in those circles.

[–]EscapeTheGoat[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

I have come to see getting your dick regularly wet as better than none at all and holding out for supposedly better girls. Most nerdy guys wouldn't make it successfully out into the sexual marketplace at large without the RP mindset that nerdy girl game provides. Again, with no LTRs involved I see no issue.

[–]Fapisluv0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Care to elaborate more? I have met girls through online videogames, and they are decently attractive (they have some mental issues though).I also see the guys that text these girls and they are very unkempt, and their text game is atrocious.

I am not stating that videogames and geek culture should be where anyone only gets girls from. I am just saying that it is very easy with minimal effort required.

That being said, you SHOULD have other hobbies too. Vidya/geek culture shouldnt be your only hobbies.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (1 child) | Copy

they have some mental issues though

You answered your own question. Almost all women involved in nerd culture do so for validation or have mental problems.

[–]Fapisluv6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

I upvoted you because i completely agree with your conclusion.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy

Nerdy girls are freaky too, man. They are down for whatever, probably because they missed out on a lot of dick early in life. What good is a super hot chick if she wont let you put it in her butt?

[–]blacklightsleaze4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

They fuck like every other girl, but in social medias they keep their fuck buddies or boyfriends secret, because they wanna look single.

[–]gaki12310 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

Or you could get an actual hobby and fuck non-subpar girls.

[–]Wrath_of_Trump2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

It's the easiest pick up of all time, don't smell like shit and stand up straight and you're in the top 10%. Only problem is "nerdy girls" are usually hanging around losers for a reason, usually an obvious one.

[–]MarcosDomingues22 points23 points  (5 children) | Copy

If you base your identity on being a nerd you have a bad mindset. Most young guys, chads, tyrones and timothys, do play videogames. They just don't talk much about it.

[–]2CasaDeFranco4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

I was a nerd in highschool however my peers never grew out of it; it's the arrested development of men in a perpetual childhood.

Men dressing as characters who display alpha qualities, Indiana Jones, Darth Vader, Mal Reynolds etc are men's men.

I enjoy video games, cinema, anime and general popular culture, but the in group preference amongst nerds to an almost religious nature is destructive to young men.

[–]Marino4K2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

Timothys? Haven’t heard that one

[–]MarcosDomingues2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

There is Chad, Jamal, Tyrone, Brad, Chang and Abdullah and on the other side you have Billy the Beta, Bob (the builder) and Tymothy; probably missed a few names xD

[–]bi_winner3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Dude, did you just fantasize about alpha names?

[–]Chainega16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy

Be careful tho. It's fairly common for sluts to disguise themselves as nerds just for male attention. Girls with "manly" hobbies (such as videogames, comic books, music, etc) tend to have more guy friends than girl friends, which is already a red flag. It's easy to see that nerdy girl as naive and innocent, when in reality she has been dicked by the whole Chad squad through all her holes in the most incredible ways. But don't worry, these girls usually have very low standards, so you will have options for a cheap lay.

Tldr: always assume AWALT.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (3 children) | Copy

Might be my dumb luck or my area but as I dabble in kink related dating sites I have come across a bunch of alternative “nerdy” girls that are highly sexual yet socially awkward with high anxiety. Several were cam girls that had so much anxiety they could barely leave the house despite getting naked on a webcam. . All were super submissive and would do whatever I directed. They have too many issues for any kind of relationship but those issue make for great plates. I can definitely see how a “King of the Nerds” could do very well.

[–]RedPistola1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Would you mind naming the sites? Would you recommend them to men in their early 20s?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Fetlife Seeking arrangement (kink or ddlg keyword) POF (same) Geek2geek

[–]Endorsed ContributorKeffirLime28 points29 points  (0 children) | Copy

There is a misconception of needing to be the most alpha man on planet earth with hair all the way up the shaft. In reality as long as you are the most alpha in your given environment/circle/bar/wherever you'll most likely profit. In the "Nerdosphere" this should be particularly easy by just doing the basics (dress well, lift, have some form of game).

[–]2littleblacktruck5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

Seconded. I operate under a similar strategy. The only difference being, I comb the hipster bars for pussy. There are some cute hipster chicks and it's not hard to be the cream of the crop amongst all the skinnyjeans hipster fags.

[–]1scissor_me_timbers002 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I love how hipsters are morphing into normcore. The stupidity never ends.

[–]newName5434565 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Reasonably attractive nerdy girls get plenty of attention from non-nerdy guys too. So be careful.

[–]Omnibrad18 points19 points  (2 children) | Copy

One time a girl called me a nerd. I jokingly replied "I'm not a nerd, I'm a nerd lord. Respect the difference." She asked me the difference. I told her "nerds play Magic: The Gathering, but nerd lords win Magic: The Gathering tournaments." Then I explained that in a brief stint of professional playing I got to travel and visit all these different cities.

Competence is important. You still need to face competition and emerge victorious. This is what builds confidence.

Another time I told this girl I was playing a tournament in Philly. I got to crash at her place (free housing) but she was surprised when I spent 12 hours on Saturday and 12 hours on Sunday playing instead of spending time with her. Women still want to know that you have a mission too, and that your mission is more important than them. After all if you think a silly cards game is more important than her, then she will try her best to change that (by sleeping with you).

[–]1scissor_me_timbers002 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

nerd lords win Magic: The Gathering tournaments

I guess I was a nerd lord in 7th grade.

[–]FuckMichaelMcCoy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

"Im not a nerd, Im a nerd lord."

Holy shit, thats gotta be one of the nerdiest things Ive heard. Nerd lord

[–]rahl_r3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

In theory, this is a nice read and all, and I also wish them nerds to get some action, but...

In my experience, there were no women at all! As I used to do quite a few nerd activities (10 years ago, maybe even 5 years ago - role-playing games, fantasy world building, even some cards), it was always full-on sausage fests! Like, 5,10,20 men, and maybe, just maybe, one woman - and she was either on the wrong side of the fat threshold, furiously mate-guarded by her Mr. boyfriend, or a combination of the aforementioned. Seriously, "eh" (or "meh").

Well maybe there was some kind of stigma in the time & place i frequented these communities.

Also, some of these nerds, it was difficult to talk to them or just enjoy their company (they were punch-worthy, though). Maybe a few easy-going, cool older guys who were fun to hang out with, but that was it. The cool older guys had jobs and families, so they didn't show up much; for the most part, it was about having to endure those anally-retentive teenage creeps and their obsessive rants regarding in-game rules and stuff.

[–]Senior ContributorMentORPHEUS3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

nerdy girls can be quite naive as well and starved in some cases for male attention


"The Nerdy Girl That Nobody Else Notices Is Cute" is such a worn-out trope because it sells to legions of guys who don't want to put in effort to self-improve. Let me tell you: There is NO SUCH THING as a woman starved for male attention. I am thinking of a young woman I knew decades ago. She was a nerd, and also short, fat, dumpy, stringy greasy hair, boring AF; a solid 3 and usually the least attractive woman at any venue. Still, this toad had orbiters, white knights, and older bad boys she'd hook up with on the reg.

A friend tried to GF her up. She was JUST as illogical, difficult, and frigid as any higher-SMV woman; so much for the starving nerd theory. She ended up leaving HIM, but not before passing along the gift of Herpes.

Bottom line: I'm not saying reject lower SMV nerdy women if you have no better options. Just don't fall into the trap of thinking you can catch one and turn her into the perfect obedient faithful really-into-you waifu you've dreamt about. AWALT!

[–]EscapeTheGoat[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Oh I don't have any illusion about them being an example of NAWALT. In fact I think that the RP depedestalization of women runs counter to the whole "nobody else notices is cute" thing. I'm saying that they are an appropriate starting point for the average nerdy guy. You'd still need an RP mindset to be successful with them and to not get trapped in an LTR.

Also I have to be honest I've met some fairly naive girls who are not very attractive and also too shy to seek out much male attention. That's more who I was referring to in the "starved in some cases". Again, I have no illusions about that fact that most of these women once they get comfortable with you are essentially the same as other women. But that's why they are a good proving ground.

Again, I also do not advocate for the monogamy as goal thing. I'm just saying that there are nerdy women who if you improved yourself, you would be interacting with them from a place of advantage. This post is not an idealization of nerdy women btw. I don't think they're better in any way.

[–]Low_Cost_Chimp_Meat9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy

Don't delude yourself. Some of these "nerdy girls" [if gentically possible] will lose weight, let their hair grow out, get lasik and become 8's or 9's. They will quickly forget who you are once the men start orbiting around plan the same. AWALT!

[–]lemonman45625 points26 points  (0 children) | Copy

Nerdy girls usually have tons of orbiters already, but they're just bottom of the barrel guys. And being worried about your girl getting hotter and getting attention from other guys is beta as fuck

[–]theselfmadealpha2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

You know what's interesting? When I was in high school, I had several different social groups of friends, one of which being nerds. Looking back, in all the other groups (stoners, jocks), I was clearly in a beta position relative to some of the other males. But with the nerds, I now realize, I was the alpha of the group. I always attracted the nerd girls and was idolized (and hated/feared) by the nerd guys.

So, I agree with you: It's easy to become an alpha amongst nerds. I did it by accident when I was clearly a beta in almost all other social groups.

[–]Gozsayin21 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

The only downside to this is that most if the girls in these cirlces are fugly

[–]francisco_DANKonia1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

That's why you have to be King of the nerds and not just one of the better nerds.

[–]ENTPunisher 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

This is good advice. It worked for me, but it essentially boils down to "shag the ugliest girl in the class, and then keep climbing the ladder until you get to the supermodel at the end of the semester."

[–]Zahlix 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

This is actually a bad mindset. It puts the supermodel on the pedestal of being worth more than the nerdy girl. At their core AWALT rules supreme and they are all just little girls looking for their big strong rock.

[–]ENTPunisher 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

But like the fabled Icarus it's possible to fly too close to the sun. Supermodels are worth more in terms of SMV. Let's not kid ourselves.

[–]Zahlix 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Yeah, she is "worth more" (at least for a decade, maybe two) but you'll game her just like any other girl. The only thing that changes is that you need a higher SMV to game her. It might be harder to hold frame with those big doe eyes looking at you, but the game remains the same.

[–]SoulRebel991 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

If the "high" SMV girl finds out you fuck low SMV girls, your goose may be cooked unless you can compensate for displaying low standards. Not always a good strategy.

[–]EscapeTheGoat[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think of it more as a lot of nerdy men don't know where to begin to start building RP mindset and they see it as impossible. They also constantly idealize semi-attractive women. This is supposed to be a practical solution.

[–]TopNotch_Fuckery0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This is a really interesting post, and your central point is great- putting yourself in a situation with low-value guys and comparatively higher-value girls (especially girls who aren't used to attention from high-value men) makes these girls easy lays. That being said, your advice on being 'king of the nerds' is redundant with what it takes to promote yourself through virtually any social circle. Focusing specifically on being king of the nerds limits you! Just focus on making yourself a high-quality man, that's all it takes to surpass the guys in the 'nerdosphere.'

[–]Meisner10 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

May i ask, where can i find conservative girls in the USA, cause I myself am a conservative.

[–]francisco_DANKonia7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

Church, for better or worse.

But I sense a new atheist conservative rising. I don't know where they hang out though because there are not too many of them.

[–]Meisner11 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Im fine with this, even though im a Christian myself.

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