Here is the full tinder conversation
tl;dr - Guy rejects girl on tinder after a very short back and forth. Girl loses her mind and attacks him. Many people in the main thread blame the guy for "leading her on".
The guy starts out by bantering in a flirtatious way, and when asked to smash he says 'Pass. Sorry.'
The girl then lambastes him, calling him a 'Gay cunt', a 'fuck head', saying he has a small dick and that he should die. All for the crime of flirting without going all the way. OP then leaves this comment saying:
I think just for a bit of fun. I had matched with her over six weeks ago and never messaged, so I figured i'd write something completely random to engage a response. I just would have liked a bit more back and forth and then cease communicating, because that's the scope of Tinder. -130 points.
130 downvotes for doing what women do all the time? For the record, I'm 100% OK with women flirting just for the sake of flirting. But they do do that a lot, so you think they would be OK with it if a guy does it. But when this guy does it he gets lambasted by the girl he rejected and downvoted 130 times for just explaining that he wanted to engage a bit more and have a bit of a flirtatious back and forth?
Reddit responds with comments like:
Goes on app notorious for being a place to hookup. Flirts with person on app. Rejects person on app. "Just trying to enjoy some banter." 230 points.
You mean the thing that most women do all the time? Again, I couldn't care less about women doing it, but why the double standard? Apparently it isn't OK for a guy to flirt with a girl without having the full intention to bang her.
"Why would you match her and then send sexually suggestive messages though?" 930 points.
OP is in the wrong because he just wanted some flirtatious banter without going all the way, and therefore deserves this response?
"Op is texting about fucking though. Why waste the other persons time?" 30 points.
Three whole messages. Three whole messages is considered a waste of time.
"Yeah, so she wasn’t playing around, she was up front from the beginning, not sure why the guy was being a dick with leading on" 73 points.
Sending three whole messages is considered leading her on. Three messages. The guy who sent three flirtatious messages and declined sex is the bad guy, but the girl who wished death upon him for rejecting her is completely in the right?
There are many comments like this throughout the thread. Some of the thread is sane and sides with OP and calls out the double standard, but it's still pretty crazy to see how many people are trying to justify her response.
Here is the full thread
All you guys complaining about a double standard are people who took the female equality movement literally.
It is not about equality, it was never about equality. Women in general and feminism in particular are only interested in special treatment for women.
"Equality" is just a trick to get equal outcome from unequal effort (eg the workplace). It was never designed to be something they would abide by.
All women and most men will side with women. Women can do what they want on Tinder and everyone is ok with it. Men get attacked for the same behaviour because everyone is biased in favour of women.
The end result that women are free to operate and men are socially controlled is the desired endgame.
You are free to do what the fuck you want as a man, but don't expect the world to be on your side.
Indeed. In fact, you can pretty much expect to be constantly challenged instead.
Equality with women being "more equal" than men.
Yeah. Full equality, apart from when women win and then it's "but that's different".
Much of feminism is getting female privilege enshrined into law, making support payments to women compulsory (alimony, child support, higher healthcare costs) while absolving women of all responsibility (which would other be "sexist", eg expecting them to be a supportive wife, look after the kids, not cheat, etc.)
Gospel truth. But for those of us here, of course, it's like preaching to the choir.
Since we're able to see through the rhetoric and the bullshit. Everything that you said is so obvious to me.
So, apparently guys get shit because we ”think with our dick” and only want sex all the time, and then, when we reject a girl who asked to have sex, it’s also our fault.
Interesting...
When a girl wants to have sex, she is now brave, strong and independent.
When she rejects a boy, after flirting back and forth, no matter how long it’s been going on, just sucking up compliments and then rejecting him, she is also seen as brave, strong and independent.
Yes, because we're male, so we are blamed for everything. Too much sex, not enough sex, not being nice enough, being too nice, not committing soon enough, committing too soon... EVERYTHING is our fault.
Once you realise that deep down you are going to be blamed for everything regardless of your choices you can stop seeking the approval of others and live your own life, free from trying to gain social approval.
Excellent comment.
You have said this is the golden age of the alpha male. I'm wondering if this is a manifestation. I have a sneaking suspicion that the guy's SMV was way higher....if she's matching AFC's and all of a sudden gets messaged by a stud, well, sure she's be a bit butt-hurt when she realizes she's just being toyed with.
I'm not saying posters here are wrong about double standards....I'm certainly not saying posters wherever this was have it right....I'm merely suggesting that while double standards are a reasonable takeaway, there might be another lesson here. Studs have nearly as much abundance as women.
Perhaps more, although the costs are higher.
I've been investing under the bar and am running my first organized 5k tomorrow. As is said always around here, women are born, men are made.
I'm reminded of professional athletes and the Tinder Effect. The home court advantage for basketball teams is eroding, partly because opposing team members don't need to go out anymore, they just swipe right. AFC's like to hamster that it's all about the money, but that just isn't right. A woman isn't going up to a pro athlete's room for anything other than the chance of getting railed out by a top 0.1% stud.
I've seen 2 of these guys now on Athlean X, and man they get after it in the weight room, absolute beasts. So yeah, the costs are higher, and a dirty little secret of TRP is many guys simply won't make it out of the Provider/BB box with women. But it sure is refreshing to break out of that box.
Sadly (for most men) yes. You need to have an edge to get free sex without paying - charm, intelligence, charisma, looks, popularity, something. If you don't have at least one thing a bit special about you then BB is the best you can hope for.
Yup, a world that you never even knew existed. The one that gets me the most is women smiling. For a while there I thought they were laughing at me, but they were actually giggling. Even older women become like little girls, all flirty and smiley. Wanna see it? Get muscular and then lean.
Even here, there are many that think "Chad" gets it for free.
Nope. He just pays with a different currency and can afford better rides.
Some women are in the permanent cycle of the guys she is not attracted to wanting her and guys she is attracted to not wanting her. So she's stuck fucking some dude she doesn't want or get lucky that some dude is on drugs and does her for shits and giggles.
This is a sub about male sexual strategy....but your comment here, if actually digested by women, could really help them craft more reasonable strategies.
It also makes me wonder...one of my biggest problems is the idea of fucking one's way of the female chain. I pretty much have some women throw themselves at me these days but I'm holding out for hotter and younger (by holding out I mean lifting like my life depends on it). It's like.....OK, if this is what you want, bend the fuck over, but don't think you have a whisper of a chance of an LTR with me.
Women are idiots that think easy sex will lead to a happy fulfilling life for them.
For men, maybe, assuming they have other things going for them too like a business or legacy. For women? They arent wired the same. Women need to have a baby to feel fulfilled in life. But they will be absolutely miserable as a single mother.
According to the guy, there was "nothing physically appealing about her." So even if he isn't a complete stud, she was ugly and probably just happy that anyone was flirting with her.
Missed that, but goes to my point! Thanks!
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I'd love to see that. TRP, to me, is exactly a response to a certain set of current circumstances, a strategy for dealing with these circumstances.
I don't have any kids and am perfectly unwilling to take responsibility for another man's fuck trophy, esp. with the laws the way they are. If it's voluntary, that's one thing, but the idea that the state will extract child support for kid that's not even yours makes the whole game far too dangerous.
This is why I'm hardly joking when I say if I ever want to do the family thing, I'll find a rich, well preserved widow with a big family and run sugar baby game on the side.....in my 60's, I'm in my mid 40's now. People think it's an insane plan, but I actually think the opposite. It would be the safest and easiest way to invest in family without exposing myself to much risk.
The Japan thing weirds me out. I'm a judoka exactly because our boys in WW2 had a high amount of respect for the martial attitude and ability of the Japanese. To see them check out so far is just fucked up.
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Yeah his SMV is almost certainly higher, possible also that her talk was too sexual too soon and (despite him being happy to make the jokes) he suddenly, when faced with the concrete thought of meeting up to fuck, thought 'hmm high STD risk, pass'.
He might've also scanned her secondary photo for the first time, after seeing that message, and realized the first one was overly flattering or outdated.
Being white is like this as well.
Some bad shit just happened in a nonwhite community or country? Somehow, somwhere, a Western white man is to blame.
Yup.
The "black lives matter" thing has been successful in doing this. Racism is the implication.
Swept under the rug is that the offending rate for black homicide is seven times higher than for whites (2008 figures).
Black lives matter... except when black people are doing the killing apparently.
Yeah, atleast white straight men get this shit, now we need to show them all that we dont need them, our ancestors helped build most things that led to modern technology, we Don’t need approval, we have it.
This is the definition of becoming a man
... And my wife wonders why I don’t want to Be around her or tell her to shut up 80% of the time.
blame the jewsfor brainwash
Don't even try to make sense of it. The truth is that whatever we do it doesn't matter. If we make her pussy wet we're good and if we don't then we're evil monsters.
Never ever pay attention to what women say because they're not consistent in their beliefs and they are incapable of logical reasoning. It's all emotion.
The fault of this man was that he made this cunt feel bad about herself. From that point on they will swarm together and say whatever they need to justify her behavior and vilify his.
Literally every single thing a woman says is rationalizing for following her every emotional whim and absolving herself of responsibility and culpability. No point in trying to make sense of it.
Pack it up, this guy gets it.
That's why the bitches love him.
Nah, he doesn’t. Same projection bullshit. Women are capable of making logical choices devoid of emotion. They do it all the time when they ghost guys when another comes along.
Saying they aren’t capable of logic is a scapegoat. They are and all it takes is understanding the subtle and big differences between men and women and you’ll be golden.
Much better than making bitter whining rants like everyone in this comment section who feels persecuted for being a guy lmaoo. The outrage porn is real.
Do you think when a new man comes along, a woman makes a calculated, logical decision? Or does she make a visceral one?
One indicator that women are less logical (or "dumber") is the difference in rates of personal savings and the premium women are willing to pay for "womens' products" which differ only in color.
Finally I don't exactly feel persecuted, I'm comfy, but I feel saddened that everywhere you look, from TV to newspapers to movies, to my own friends and colleagues, people spout this bullshit that women are exactly the same as men, only better, and any shortcomings can only be white mens' fault.
Please point me to where I can take advantage. Since everything is white mens failt that means my black ass has to benefit somewhere right?
Where do I collect?
Is a woman leaving a younger, better looking guy for an old rich dude a visceral decision, or a logical one?
Wouldn’t say that’s because they’re dumber, a lot of women have no expectation to be the bread winner or even in some cases a bread winner. Guys spend money on all sorts of absolutely retarded shit to impress women. What makes a yeezy a yeezy? The brand label.
Nobody ever says that. I’ve never once heard that any shortcomings are only white men’s fault or that women are exactly the same as men. If people are saying that, then stop listening. Wow! That’s hard.
You serve your Masters well
I don’t even know what this means yet it’s somehow still incredibly creepy
Is that so? Prove it
Burden of proof falls on you to prove 50% of the planet can’t make logical choices, bud. That’s the way it works when you make sweeping bullshit generalizations.
You can make a choice that is logical based on an emotion/feeling without being able to rationalize it or explain what made you take that decision.
And yet a person doesn’t lose the ability to think critically because of what’s between their legs. Some of you guys shit on feminists for generalizations about men and then do the exact same thing hahah it’s comical you don’t see the hypocrisy.
Exactly. Women behave like children.
"Women are the oldest toddlers in the room"
True, I have yet to have a good argument with a woman. Got close a few times, but feelings took over.
But even then, she told me ”I feel like...” instead of getting pissed off.
Rarely happens.
The key to this, and it took me a while to figure out, is to not take anything they say at face value, basically ignore every word out of her mouth and look at non-verbal communication instead.
Figure out how she is feeling. Is she angry or sad? Why doesn't really matter because women's emotional state is constantly in flux and the tiniest thing can set her off. Just address the emotion while ignoring the incident that set it off, which is what she's probably gonna be yapping about because she doesn't know why she's feeling the way she is (emotional immaturity, lack of discipline and introspection etc).
Never try to explain anything, never reason, just affirm her emotions and that it's okay that she's having them, that you're paying attention and that everything's going to be all right. Then move on to different things and distract her.
It's like when a kid falls over, you don't fuss over it, you pretend like it's nothing and if you do the kid will just run right along happy as ever. If you make a big deal out of it the kid will bawl his eyes out.
Sounds logical to me, will keep that in mind. However I do almost get an erection when I argue with a female friend of mine and by using logical statements, she gets shut downed, it’s like a button, if you make it sound logical, most of them from my own experience will either handle it with emotions or Don’t say anything and then change subject. Sometimes even agree.
Yeah sometimes you can definitely sway them but usually it's not worth the effort to me. Either they will get upset, with you or themselves, ignore it or go into full hamster mode. Only rarely is it a positive experience imo, but I agree it feels great when it happens.
I'd rather just skip the hassle and change subject, distract her or sometimes manipulate her into feeling bad and dropping it herself. My favorite is introducing some dread, get her working to win back your approval and then hatefuck if that's an option. It brings the relationship and power dynamic back to it's optimal (imo) state.
This is the better way forward. My biggest mistakes have been when I expected to be able to debate with a female about something only to see it devolve into feelings and something negative being said about me, like how I am not good with people, or I’m an ass or something, lol. Blame was created and shifted. The debate rarely happened and only with a boss who was older than me.
Seriously you need to meet more women.
Town is small, underaged to go to bars with friends and meet new people or to get a car, only hobby is gaming and going to the gym, so meeting new people is hard where I live.
Almost. If you make her wet you're good, and if you don't then you don't exist to her, and if you make her wet but don't want her, then you're an evil monster in her eyes.
The first mention of rape in the Bible was actually a false accusation of rape by an adulterous woman who was rejected by a righteous man:
5 And it came to pass from the time that he had made him overseer in his house, and over all that he had, that the LORD blessed the Egyptian's house for Joseph's sake; and the blessing of the LORD was upon all that he had in the house, and in the field. 6 And he left all that he had in Joseph's hand; and he knew not ought he had, save the bread which he did eat. And Joseph was a goodly person, and well favoured. 7 And it came to pass after these things, that his master's wife cast her eyes upon Joseph; and she said, Lie with me. 8 But he refused, and said unto his master's wife, Behold, my master wotteth not what is with me in the house, and he hath committed all that he hath to my hand; 9 There is none greater in this house than I; neither hath he kept back any thing from me but thee, because thou art his wife: how then can I do this great wickedness, and sin against God? 10 And it came to pass, as she spake to Joseph day by day, that he hearkened not unto her, to lie by her, or to be with her. 11 And it came to pass about this time, that Joseph went into the house to do his business; and there was none of the men of the house there within. 12 And she caught him by his garment, saying, Lie with me: and he left his garment in her hand, and fled, and got him out. 13 And it came to pass, when she saw that he had left his garment in her hand, and was fled forth, 14 That she called unto the men of her house, and spake unto them, saying, See, he hath brought in an Hebrew unto us to mock us; he came in unto me to lie with me, and I cried with a loud voice: 15 And it came to pass, when he heard that I lifted up my voice and cried, that he left his garment with me, and fled, and got him out. 16 And she laid up his garment by her, until his lord came home. 17 And she spake unto him according to these words, saying, The Hebrew servant, which thou hast brought unto us, came in unto me to mock me: 18 And it came to pass, as I lifted up my voice and cried, that he left his garment with me, and fled out. 19 And it came to pass, when his master heard the words of his wife, which she spake unto him, saying, After this manner did thy servant to me; that his wrath was kindled. 20 And Joseph's master took him, and put him into the prison, a place where the king's prisoners were bound: and he was there in the prison. 21 But the LORD was with Joseph, and shewed him mercy, and gave him favour in the sight of the keeper of the prison.
Genesis 39 King James Bible
E.g., this stuff has been happening a long, long time.
It's emotional self defence. Feelings come number 1. If you don't understand that, you have never truly felt like shit before. I mean, worse than a relative dying, and then over something stupid and rejection. It's like hell it seems.
And we gave women the right to vote. God help us it will be the end of us.
I agree with your overall point, but you lost me here. I'll readily agree women aren't driven by logical reasoning the way men generally are; it's not their default operating condition, they have to actively train themselves to take a step back and consider things logically, and even then their emotions can still run away with them in charged situations. But to claim they're outright incapable of it? Bullshit. They're still human, and all humans are capable of logical thought whether they cultivate that it or not.
Listen, this is TRP. We speak in broad generalizations about women as a category and how they generally tend to function. Don't be an autist and try to interpret everything literally, of course the stuff you read here isn't 100% applicable to every woman in every situation.
Of course some specimen are capable of rational thought, but as a general heuristic for how their minds operate it's pretty accurate. Most of the time they are not operating based on logic, but on emotion.
I'll admit it was crudely put, but that's kinda the rhetoric on here. First you figure out what the rules are, and then when you know them you can break them. AWALT until you know enough about women to figure out which ones are the exceptions. At that point you don't need to read TRP anymore anyway, so I don't really worry about that in my comments. 98% of the time it works every time.
Seems like the only thing worse than not making them wet, is making them wet and then refusing to go all the way.
Just imagine being a cook and starving homeless people under the bridge pass on your cooking. It's probably so bad that they rather starve of hunger.
That's what women feel when they get rejected. They live in this little fantasy world where showing some cleavage and wiggling your ass gets you to places and are pissed when that stops working. Because that's all they have as value.
Don't you know? All women are brave, strong and independent. Periods train them to be!
Chocolate is their Guardian against periods, and she wants you to pay for it.
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My brothers ex lost her shit when he was Hanging out with another girl at a bar, months after they broke up. Started punching him, screaming and crying. They are fine with rejecting any dude, no matter how good or bad he looks, how great or bad his personality is, but they Cant handle getting rejected by a guy.
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They reject so many guys, so the guys gets used to it.
However, guys rarely reject girls at parties, and they Don’t know how to deal with it.
True that, but a guy doesn't start beating up a girl when she rejects him
You shouldn’t be surprised by the double standards - it’s always been that way.
The issue is that the majority of girls lack even basic self-awareness, to the point where they don’t even realise they act exactly the same way the OP did.
Also remember nothing is ever their fault. Men are the responsible adults while they will always be teenage girls inside.
Exactly. Women are not ever responsible for their actions, and men will get blamed for everything by the hivemind.
Logic, reasonableness, fairness are all foreign concepts to women. Expecting them to apply such concepts to their, or other women's actions, is a fool's errand.
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As if that means anything. Got a ton of matches which I wouldn't touch with a stick.
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Tbf after a while there's too much matches to reasonably "unmatch" them one by one, there's no bulk action so fuck that noise.
I'm not even a girl, so my list is probably half the average girl's size.
I can't even begin to fathom the motivation you'd have to invest in keeping your Tinder list clean if you're a good looking girl.
Not much of an argument there imo. Doesn't mean you're wrong about the bragging part tho.
It's not complicated at all. Women are hypocrites, equality is selectively applied when it benefits them, their words are used to justify actions, words and actions don't line up, everyone is pro-female biased.
Accept these simple tenets and everything becomes painfully predictable.
Exactly. For every female ceo and manager we want a garbagewoman and female mineworker. Suddenly it's not so good after all.
Everyone talks about the mythical wage discrepancy.
Noone is talking about the actual workplace death discrepancy.
Nobody wants to breach the very real fact that girls can't do everything a man can do, at least not by herself. Open a jar bitch.
Men do the heavy lifting, girls do the light, easy, busy work, and expect to get paid as much as the man who destroys all his joints before he turns 35. They want the benefits without the effort, investment, and competence men must have to reach those levels. It's the rare girl who gets out there and gets dirty while being competent.
They clamor to get the high paying jobs, but want nothing to do with real work. When you get free shit all your life for simply being cute and having a vagina, why would you ever expect to have to earn something? Now they been teaching boys to be the same fucking way as girls. Homelessness will be epic in 40 years, well for men, girls will always have a safety net provided by the men who actually work.
It's not just lack of investment on their part, it's also the fact that they compare themselves with the top 1% STEM jobs. Most men don't get this either, but that fact is ignored.
Meanwhile they blame men, society, upbringing and the patriarchy for their lack of performance in the top jobs they don't even have the guts to apply to.
And everyone believes this shit because "men and women are equal".
Hopefully at least these men won't contractually oblige themselves to support her ungrateful ass for the rest of their lives.
Self awareness Batman.
Isn't this a sub essentially dedicated to mocking women?
Not at all. The people here analyze social structure, draw conclusions from those experiences, and discuss how they can improve themselves. Some of the members are definitely misogynistic but I would like to think that they aren't the majority. We try to understand men and women at a deeper level than the words that come out of their mouths. You should know to discount the BS when you see it.
Yeah, we're seeing two different things.
And that's completely okay. The TRP perspective can be very shocking and is not for everyone. I don't believe TRP has all the answers, and I'm glad it doesn't claim to.
You saw a couple of bad eggs. You're free to take what you have learned here and either apply it to your life or ignore it.
I personally believe I have learned some super valuable information here. I have also read plenty of bitter misogynist tirades. In the end I have learned to filter out the BS and hold on to the information that pertains to my situation.
Yea, but you've also been proving yourself to be quite the dumbass in the rest of posts you've made and have a habit of arguing with people until they point out you have zero evidence to support the dumbass speculation you come up with. Once it becomes clear that you're talking to someone with a modicum of intelligence, you turn and tuck tail like an ashamed dog.
I'd be ashamed too if I were you.
And generalize to the extreme. Most guys here are nice guys or incels who think all women are the same, not realizing thats as valid as saying all guys are the same.
He did lead her on, but so fucking what?
He turned the tables, became the one that decides if sex happens. That’s what pissed her off so much, that she had the one little bit of control ripped away from her, left her with nothing.
Everyone just passed over the important detail here. None of us can see what level both of them are on the SMV scale. A girl sending, "im thirsty" and "Wanna fuck" in this day and age means she's a melting hippo that can't get any elsewhere. That and the commenters that are all downvoting him, are probably also in that category because they've had this exact thing happen to them on tinder or a similar app.
So all in all, this post is a waste of time. Example's of low SMV people shouldn't be considered worthy of introspection. Forget pointing out the double standard too. Men ≠ Women. Never have, never will. We all know this already.
Lol reminds me of that hambeast we had at work that was giving away sex for people's birthdays. So many passed, yet this pig had an n-count well over 30. For her it was horrible not having had sex for 2 weeks and she even fucked a married colleague. It's for this kind of women we have TRP for.
God our culture is degenerate
We're like seriously fucked man
Well, this is the only girl I know of. The company kicked her out becaue they were sick of her aswell. She was in a way okayish but otherwise mentally a real trainwreck that needed time off, never had money (even though so many people made the same amount as her and got by perfectly fine).
The commenters can't have ever used tinder if they think it's unusual to send sexual messages without intention of actually fucking. A good chunk of people on tinder just use it for fun
Unfortunately we live in a highly feminized society. Women are simply not held responsible for their actions. She can flirt with a beta Billy bitch for a decade, leading him on, and when he finally grows the balls to make a move he's labelled as a pig for dishonoring the friendship. Alternatively a man talks to a woman on Tinder for 20 minutes and doesn't fuck her and the sheer feminine entitlement leads her to believe that he's the asshole for leading her on. Society supports this shit.
We don't, however, hold ourselves to the same standards as women, nor should we, society would dismantle into a pile of rubble.
Or alternatively she can beg for his dick both online and offline, have regrets, decide she didn't like the guy anyway...and in this current society, this is known as rape.
This is common. Remember: women who dump or turn men down are strong and independent women. Men who dump or turn women down are evil bastards. Those are the standards today.
And you’re suprised by this why? Stop holding yourself to the standards of women. Start holding yourself to the standards of men.
IMO that bitch was right.
Men and women are not equal. Guy acted feminine. Bitch acted masculine, for that matter, but that's actually the whole problem.
He was bored, she had an actual agenda for that night.
He was acting like a bitch he is, she actually wanted something real.
This is why askTRP is like it is and this is why TRP exists.
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For me it’s a waste of time.
I never approach a girl “only” to get her number or just to exercise as PUA suggests. If the lust is in place, I’m either going all out, with a plan from start to end or not wasting my time or hers
So basically spergs in this thread, including ESs (Endorsed Spergs) are making an Elliott Rodgers like MRA equality icon out of some bored bitch with too much time on his hands
There’s no equality and there will never be because it’s against nature. And nature is what told that bitch to ignore a dickless gay male because the clock is ticking for every girl, forgot about it?
See? TRP supports women.
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Yup, probably I'm not as high value male as you are.
Yes I am on this side of the coin, which in my opinion is the point of TRP. This whole thread belongs in men's rights because apparently not a fucking person here 'gets it'. TRP is about recognizing the double standard, and using that knowledge to our advantage. This guy was a bitch. Who gives a fuck that 'if the genders were reversed everyone would be defending him/her'. What, do people in this thread wish they were women so they could receive this kind of snowflake treatment they appear to desire so much???
TRP IS THE KNOWLEDGE THAT MEN AND WOMEN ARE DIFFERENT. OUR STANDARDS ARE DIFFERENT. Recognize this and live your life like a fuckin man.
"WTF is wrong with you! Why are you sending sexually suggestive texts to hot girls you match up with on dating apps? Are you some kind of monster!!?!?"
A woman can intentionally lead on a man for years (friendzone him). No issues here...
But, this dude wasted 20 minutes of a woman's time and rejected her, people think HE'S at fault.
Read the original thread, the mental gymnastics these people play to justify their logic is ridiculous.
Reddit is a bastion of left-wing virgin Marxist white knights? I NEVER KNEW!
This is big facts. Girls literally do this on a daily basis and have fun with it, it’s almost second nature to them. So the fact that that guy had the power a girl usually has, and had the respect for himself not to pounce the first vagina he saw, he gets scolded? Nah I respect him a lot. Especially due to the fact that girls like to make pussy scarce and almost “unattainable” from their selfish ways, spiteful manoeuvres and just bad intentions sometimes. I don’t think this should be hated I think it should be applauded and recognised that women ARE human and can get rejected. Just because you don’t have something hanging between your legs doesn’t mean you are beyond the “level” to experience the word NO.
There are double standards everywhere.
Had a bad marriage that ended when I found her cheating. The world treated me as though it was my fault she stepped out. There were people who literally said to me "what did you do?"
Nothing except be a beta provider who didn't know about TRP. Now that I'm RP'd I expect the double standard. All you're witnessing here is the general weakness of those in the world. Betas. Alphas wouldn't even engage in this shit to begin with.
TRP is the beta blocker.
The cognitive dissonance with TRP is the concept of AWALT versus being responsible for her cheating.
You were responsible to an extent, by being a bluepill beta, but in all probability she would have cheated eventually, even if you were redpill to the core, because there’s always someone better than you and hypergamy kicks in.
The key is to be aware of how much you contributed to her infidelity without taking responsibility, and learning from it (which it sounds like you have).
Women cheat because they can get choice while being passive. Men don't have a choice, therefore cheat less since they have to actively seek it. That's why with women cheating "just happens". It's all not cheating until a piece of clothing starts coming off, where it's then too late to go back because wet panties.
Yea... I stonewalled her and got tired of her shit. She used that as license to go fuck someone else. Pretending like nothing was going on.
TRP showed me the error of my ways in that context and the cheating was definitely inevitable.
No. I am twice divorced and I can assure you that I was never blue pill nor beta in either of the marriages. The cognitive dissonance within the red pill community is the [unspoken] belief that with this knowledge, you will not succumb to the fate of the mindless "betas" that simply don't know any better. If you marry an attractive woman today, it is a near certainty that she will cheat on you, regardless of how "alpha" you are.
With the ever rising rate of obesity, women that are fit and attractive are sadly, in short supply. YOUR hot gf or wife, has options you cannot even begin to understand. Because I am fortunate to have looks, masculinity and intelligence, I was able to start fucking [younger] women before I was even divorced. Dread, game or whatever ploys DO NOT WORK long term on an attractive woman today.
He is not. The woman can cheat even on Chaddest of Chads while he's away, she's horny and beta Bob is there.
She sounds like an absolute mess by the sounds of it. Swerve of the century by that guy - wish I could resist never sticking my dick in crazy
Oh lord the hypocrisy is so juicy. If the roles were reversed people would've said "Oh men always think they're entitled to women's bodies. Just because she flirted a little bit doesn't mean you are entitled to have sex with her. I flirt all the time when I'm bored lol." I've had my time wasted COUNTLESS times by whores just looking to soak up attention and pass time, you never saw me making any threats or acting like a bitch about it. This goes to show how women believe we think we're entitled to their bodies because it's the way they think about men; they are entitled to men's money on a date and his body + commitment if they dare take a risk and show interest.
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I wonder what is the reddit population in general. I miss the days when I bothered to sign up for some forum to ask a single question and got a civil responses. But the convenience of just hopping to another sub is too big
TRP
Stop caring about other people's drama, this shit is too pathetic.
Do i care some bitch was angry because she didn't get stuffed, yeah. that guys a dick for wasting her time and HIS own time.
what a pointless fucking discussion, thats why double standards are fucking dumb
Except he didn't waste his time; he wanted banter, and he got it. Not as much as he would have liked, but he did get a taste.
This guy has made a valid point. Women are cruel when they don't get what they want. Even bullied women will tell you that girls are cruel to each other.
These seem to be some kind of motivational stories for some trp passive readers
Solipsism at its finest. "Ma'am we have a red alert on Tinder." "What is it BB?" "We have a man not bowing down to the almighty pussy." "What!?!? This is unacceptable, have our standby unit on Reddit shame this man into oblivion! That swine lord REEEEEEEEEE! Who does he think he is, making me want to fuck him, I MEAN DESTROY HIM!" Also the way Western girls talk now is such a turn off. "Wanna fuck?" Not anymore slut.
For what it’s worth - I argue that despite women whinging about double standards, patriarchy, yadda, yadda, yadda that in fact most of society’s standards and moors are in fact to women’s tastes.
Take a promiscuous woman being called a “slag” for example. Men do do this, but mainly through learned behaviour; I personally would be happier if more/all women were more promiscuous/gave “it” out more willingly. Fewer dates, jumping through hoops, paying, etc.
Women however seem to display a higher level of animosity towards their more promiscuous sisters, most I know happily call such women slags and ostracise them. They then blame men for this (plausible deniability).
It’s so ingrained that we don’t even question it. Would there be a reason for what I argue?
How about in order for the majority of women to be able to maintain the price of sex as high (ie keep sex as a high value commodity), they need to control the supply, and this needs group compliance.
If numbers of women start to break this embargo, down goes the price of sex and the leas effort men will make with the remaining women who hold out. Disaster, these women must be shamed and they blame men for it.
I think it’s the same here. Women like to feel special and high value. That does not go well with being rejected. At all. So it’s bad when they get rejected but they don’t think twice about rejecting, it’s part of keeping the cost of sex high.
So again, the double standard arises, one men are blamed for and other men are assholes if they do it.
Both examples of societies standards being geared around female values and not mens (as we’re always told they are).
To be honest, women shouldn't do that either.
https://imgur.com/a/liF5l9r
Oh yeah you will get all kinds of nonsense. How you 'must be gay', 'scared', just a straight up asshole, etc something is wrong with you. One girl I turned down in high school cried, and her friends said that was 'kinda fucked up.' Men react even worse and the insecurity really comes out. The scarcity mindset, envy, jealousy, it's a mess. But whatever.
Death threats though, that's some other shit. I'd call the cops on that bitch.
What a time to be alive. We have gazillions of dating apps options (that favor women because of basic economics), but that’s not enough. Feminine imperative had to bash this poor dude because he committed the crime of not wanting to smash some retarded hoe.
Good content OP, thanks
Nevermind that getting a woman into bed is a series of tightrope walks where the man is expected to perform, without error, all the things that her whims happen to be attracted to at the time-- she is allowed to exercise her agency at any point and kick his ass to the curb. And she should be. A man should only be allowed to fuck her if he's good enough.
What we are seeing with this post, is nothing less than women's (and betas) attempt to remove agency from men. He was honest and admitted he was just looking for banter, but I myself have been turned off by girls who just come across as desperate, which she absolutely did. But is he allowed to make the decision that he doesn't want to catch something from someone who obviously throws herself at randos on the internet? Nope!
Women are funny. They can suck a guys dick for a bit then say "I can't guy through with this" and it's acceptable. Guy says no to sex he's the asshole. Lol.
I have done this irl many times. I talk to a chubby girl, literally just talk to her, and am thinking 'maybe i will just for fun' but then think better of them, for their sake, and to prevent drama, but then everyone in the building will say I led her on.
Idk why this kind of shit is getting buzz. Shit like this happens on the reg, regardless of gender. Guy or girl is dtf, guy or girl hers rejected, shit talking ensues.
Double standards...
I hate stupidity.
Her body is all she’s got. Understandably she gets unhinged like a schoolgirl when nobody is interested.
"Nicegirls"
LOL
No such thing.
Another clear sign of the feminization the world has come to
Why even talk to her in the first place and waste your own time e.e
because clearly he's a faggot who has nothing better to do than troll women
Insane. The blue pill indoctrination is deep. This is why, things are changing. Slowly, steadily, surely, inevitably. They are changing.
I call bullshit. There does not exist any women who say "wana fuck" on tinder.
I'm surprised that he hasn't been doxxed and charged for cyber-rape.
Well... why did he write her if he didn't want fo fuck her. Was he turned off that she was so easy? He was wasting her time, his time and now mine as well..
lmao in the comments someone asks OP why he didn't smash and he says "how can I politely say nothing about her physical appearance was attractive to me?" next comment "She was ugly" 😂😂😂
Read the rest of the comments, some make sense and are not blinded by stupidity and ignorance. Definitely a lot of blue concentrated on one guy in a comment or 2, rest seems fine.
This is why MGTOW continues to grow. Hate on it all you want, but women are pricing themselves out of the market.
Yeah. only for the cucks who consider pride as their biggest draw
Cucks? MGTOW are the only men around that are NOT cucks. Open your eyes to reality.....
holy fuck. too funny. We all know how the reverse would look like.
https://imgur.com/a/liF5l9r
looks like this lol
So you’re saying that there is a double standard and females lose their shit about rejection? Fuck, I had it all wrong.
anyone NOT know how bad women take rejection? Just be glad you'll never lose a fist fight with one, so all she can do is talk shit.
Who cares? This shit is common on tinder.
My friends don't call me L'Oreal for nothing. Awesome line hahah
Theres nothing I can add to the responses here. You all knocked it out of the park. Feel kinda smug knowing that you guys have Chads future in good hands. Thank you.
Aaannnd the milk truck has left.
I hope he considers himself lucky. With that kind of attitude, anyone she lands will be in nightmare territory.
i rejected a girl a few weeks ago on fet. she came in with a pretty clever opening actually and wasn't bad looking, but her profile was one massive red flag and i didn't feel like dealing with that bullshit. so i told her pretty much that we're not looking for the same things and was nice and polite to her. she responds with some passive aggressive shit clearly pissed that "omg nobody rejects this princess". i didn't respond after that and definitely should've not responded at all in the first place. lesson learned.
Sounded like a good opportunity for roleplay
They are way past just being mere orbiters, men are now becoming full on drones.
A woman will almost always be on the "right" side. namely because vagina fever leaves incels blind to rational sense. Lack of same group preference.
Ultimately all white knights need ask themselves "of the women Ive so gallantly defended, how many have I fucked?" "whats that? none you say? I better double down on my faggotry then"
It’s funny how women are destroyed when they lay it all out and a guy doesn’t want it. They always go right to calling a guy gay because they can’t handle the truth. The truth being they aren’t very pretty or seem desperate. But that would take them having to believe something is wrong with themselves but it can’t be so he must be gay or have a tiny penis. Something is wrong with him. Deflection.
This is why I use real life - The Original Tinder
This is why women weren't allowed to vote before..
Original Message:
This is pants-on-head retarded. He messaged her something highly sexually charged out of the blue, went hard with the sexual comments, then when she actually asked to hook up he just writes, "Pass. Sorry." This is a dick move, no matter if you're a guy or girl. You don't owe her sex yeah but maybe not fuck with her (again, dick move whether you're a guy or girl). Her anger is pretty egregious but how does OP have no clue he's a cunt?
Double Standard:
This is pants-on-head retarded. She messaged her something highly sexually charged out of the blue, went hard with the sexual comments, then when he actually asked to hook up she just writes, "Pass. Sorry." This is a dick move, no matter if you're a guy or girl. You don't owe him sex yeah but maybe not fuck with him (again, dick move whether you're a guy or girl). His anger is pretty egregious but how does OP have no clue she's a cunt?
This is what women do all the time.
so many white knights in this thread
If he had posted here, things would have been different.
if they didn't have double standards, they wouldn't have any.
you know you have took the RP when all of this becomes just slightly amusing
You could accidentally waste your whole life on questions like this.
Please don’t!
Someone explain the L'Oreal joke to me please.
Most people are plugged into the matrix. You shouldn't expect better from most people.
Maan these responses are literally flaming him to death. Today's society is fucked up dude. White knights, dumb cucks and bitches all around
Anyone who uses Tinder at all knows that women use it for two reasons - 1) Chad's cock; 2) Chad's flirtatious bants. Lots of times its not even for the cock, but the 'feelings' they get about being flirted with. The excitement, the fun, fighting insecurity, or even just to not be bored. We all know this.
If I had a dollar for every time my time was wasted...
More than half of these retards are just jumping on the bandwagon of tellin the guy off for internet points. As a subscriber to internet points myself, I gotta admit, approval feels good.
But that’s what pushes the label of “women are wonderful and can do no evil” while “men are stupid and must submit to the wonderful women,” in more than 95% of the cases.
Much of the time, people have suspended their thought process for the approval.
Sad thing is it's a bunch of betas hating on the alpha
Ummm......how new are you here?
I'm surprised that you guys are surprised by any of this.
His rejection was kinda rude. Went from flirting to insulting.
She went from flirting to escalation. His response made it seem like she was the butt of the joke.
It's not about sex, it's about humor. Why not come up with a more clever reply?
Just kinda my 2 cents.
> why the double standard?
who cares why. That's the way it is. Good post, but at the same time, this is like asking why grass is green.
Reddit is a Gynocentric wasteland. Almost anything and everything that isn't explicitly pro-female gets downvoted.
> Apparently it isn't OK for a guy to flirt with a girl without having the full intention to bang her.
Exactly. We should be predictable, obedient dogs.
I saw this. It's actually pretty sad.
There's too many liberal beta faggots on redditt.
I mean, she definitely came off as the easiest lay ever. And this wasn't even subtle clues she was giving, just straight up whoreish. I would honestly get turned off by this, even if I may have been interested before (especially since it's tinder and these are complete strangers).
I don't know, maybe it's just me, but I would have passed also. Especially if she was borderline passable in the first place.
This banter shit is why I'd rather MGTOW. So fucking stupid you have to say this stupid shit to get in their pants.
They are lambasting him because he doesnt want to have sex with her? They are saying that he should have had sex with her even though he doesn’t want to?
Hmmm theres a word used to describe such a situation. Gee, whats that word again? You know, the word used to describe when someone forces someone else to engage in sexual activity? I dunno, I just cant remember...Oh right.
Its rape.
I’m gonna give your mom a rusty trombone you filthy twat
He didn't pass, he was into the back and forth.
ITT: bunch of fuckers that didn't get the point and play victim and endorsed doing God's work.
This hits home. I have a roommate that I was talking to about a girl and I said I don't mind waiting a little for sex, it's hard for me to want to fuck a girl without knowing her a bit. He said "Of course you don't mind as long as you get sex", this is a guy spinning 2(HB6-) plates so I guess he's just lucky.
If this was a guy then the White Knights and feminist behemoths of tinder would call him creepy and entitled
I don't like when a girl does it, I also don't like when a man does it. So fuck em both for wasting each other's time.
Any girl that's DTF after three texts should be turn down...
Hamstering at its finest. Lol Solipsism in written form.
/u/_BITCHES_LOVE_ME_ is spot on.
Her face must have been hilarious!
Oh sweet, sweet rejection...
That's fuckin funny. Story of my life on my alt account.
Oh, ya, double standards and shit. Terrible stuff.
Hey, Reddit is the mud vein of the Internet...
Calling him “gay” and telling him he has a “small dick.”
She must be a frequent reader of the “Femnazi Playbook.” 😂
Viscous worthless cum dumpsters (previously known as “ladies”), we know all the insults and games you play. Just stop. It doesn’t work anymore.
This can't be real! If it is western civilization is in real trouble!
So much butthurt in this thread. Yes, as men we are burdened with greater responsibility. If you want something to happen, you learn how to make it happen, then you fail until you learn how to succeed.
Accept your responsibilities as a man and show some discipline. If you want to be an icy pimp then people are going to hate on you. That's life. If you can't take the pressure then go back to being a bluepill bitchboy and enjoy your lifetime of awful relationships with toxic women.
But seriously, stop complaining about the world being unfair. Yeah, we get hated for a lot of shit as guys on the media and on the net. Deal with it.
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If your work forces you into a bitch role it's time to step up brother. Every problem has a solution. We're gonna die. Mediocrity is a choice. Great risk begets great reward, but also great loss. The question, then, becomes, what the fuck do you want out of life? Do you want to settle for a shitty cuddle-job that emasculates you or do you risk being a self-made man? Do you want to settle for the cuddle-7, or go through the purifying fire and ego-death required to access and game 9s and 10s? Discipline. Don't fucking compromise. Have a vision and a purpose, and don't let anyone get between you and your goal. Abundance.
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Yeah, for every 50 guys in that situation there is one guy who escaped it.
BS meter going off.. would a chick EVER say "wanna fuck"? I mean, shit, I've put in a ton of effort lately doing street pickup, got a bunch of flakes etc. I'm 6'1" 160 @ 10 - 12% bf, good face etc, and I can't imagine chicks would ever be the initiators (thought they needed plausible deniability etc).
Basically, if shit like this IS legit, maybe I am trying too hard...
Probably because you're built like a twig. I consider myself fairly skinny at 6'0 180lb
get to the gym and mcdonalds.
This is the best advice ever. I love mcdonalds!
Hey guy, since when have you expected women to be rational, responsible or anything really than a mess of emotions and bullshit?
We all know that women cannot be held to the same standard as men because.......surprise.....they are not men. We are not equalists here.
You are preaching to the choir. But nice job finding proof number 79 Gazillion
leading on is leading on tho. Two wrongs don't make a right. Still dumb shit to flirt without having any desire to go beyond that.
TL;DR for this post would be like this:
There are almost 8mld people in the world and arguably majority of them is dumb af. Check out how crazy this one person is.
Do we really have to have a post here for every dumb person on earth? Really guys?
Nothing shocking. Anything for the betterment of women is Reddit’s MO generally. With the amount of women and betas overly pushing for non logical logistics.. you can’t help but to laugh.
The point here is women can't handle rejection. Move on.
Guys I think we should not develop blind spots here.
They are both insufferable. Why would you have flirtatious banter and not plan to fuck? Like irl sure, but on text, yeah bro give me a break!
That guy deserved it. She’s wants to get dicked down, not some intellectual witty redditor bullshit
The girl sounds like an asshole. So do you.
in chinese culture it is actually a pretty serious thing to waste a womans time
They also have a culture of eatig dogs
good, it should be seen as serious because clearly you're wasting your time on the moment of wasting hers which is super wasteful lol
Oh no someone call the Chinese FBI
Me Chinese me play joke, me go pee pee in your coke.
Say thanks to sex-selective infanticide.