"I began to see why woman-haters could make such fools of women. Woman-haters were like gods: invulnderable and chock-full of power. They descended, and then they disappeared. You could never catch one."
Sylvia Plath, The Bell Jar
Around two years or so ago. I became attractive.
I’d swallowed the pill a while back, but like most of you, I assumed I was some kind of exception and didn’t lift. Well I kind of did, but had a pretty severe case of fuck-around-itis and no discipline; not to mention an inability to cook and feed myself properly. I made no gains.
I was redpill aware, and gamed girls, but really didn’t make that much progress. I knew how to pass shit-tests but didn’t get any, I knew what to do with LMR but had no girls in my room. 9s and 10s were actually quite kind to me; I mistook this for attraction, not realising that I’d actually just fallen into the “asexual-child” category women put guys in who have are not even considered men, let alone a prospect.
Eventually the humility hit me, I couldn’t stay deluded forever, and I had to accept it when looking at myself in the mirror. I was ugly.
Now I had been given a few gifts that I was wasting; one was height, no one can call me “tall”, but I’m above the average at least, so, hypothetically, I was at the threshold most women needed to consider me. The other was a not-ugly face. I wasn’t beautiful, I didn’t have a thick jaw or strong cheekbones, but my face was passable; no stand out blemishes or disproportioned features.
I can work with this, I thought. I may not be Brad Pitt but I can scrape through into “attractive” if I work hard enough.
There were however, downsides to the gifts, and things I didn’t get; my height came with a skinny, ectomorphic body, with an albatross armspan leading to thin wrists and pencil neck. My face can be considered feminine, boyish; more Justin Bieber than Ryan Gosling, weak chin, unable to grow a beard, or even sufficient stubble. My hair at the time was long, thick and gay. My back twisted into one of the worst cases of rounded shoulders I have seen on anyone, with a forward facing nerd neck, video-gamers anterior pelvic tilt, the whole shebang. It was gross.
I was a 3, if I’m being nice. But at that level ratings mean nothing anyway; anything less than a 7 and you’re invisible to women.
At the time I still had this magical idea of women, that they were different than us, that they could look past the beauty and be attracted to alpha-personality on the inside, that they didn’t need us to look good in order to want to fuck us, we could make up for it in other ways. That they had better control of their sexual urges and weren’t as visually turned on as us. That they didn’t really enjoy sex like we do and degeneracy put them off; that they were pure, poised beings with grace and innocence.
Lmao. Delusional.
After years of painful rejections and bitchy put downs, I stopped making excuses and began to accept that I wasn’t the exception; I needed to lift and fix my body in order to become attractive; all the game in the world couldn’t help me if I still looked like a teenage fedora nerd.
So I began to take it seriously.
I started off as a 3.
The first thing that happened was my posture sorted itself. Deadlifts and Bent-Over-Rows fixed my forward shoulders within a fortnight. Stretches solved the APT. I was purposefully checking my posture and neck whenever I remembered, and forcing myself upright. It was uncomfortable, sometimes painful, at first, but my body fell into a new equilibrium and settled. I stood up straighter and sat better in chairs; people would notice, a few said “did you get taller?”. I became a 4.
Next I cut my hair. It used to hang below my ears cos fuck gender norms and short haircuts were for jocks and I liked heavy metal. This time though I told a new barber to cut it short. Men have short hair.
It was a disaster. I was horrified at the boot-camp haircut he gave me, it made my face look even skinnier and gaunter than before.
But I pushed through it, after a few weeks the hair grew out and became scruffy and messy and actually… looked good. I suddenly felt 3 years older and more masculine, looked like an actual male. I began taking care of it better, stopped shampooing it every day like a retard, and after a few weeks of grease it settled into a natural, thick cleanliness. It felt so nice I would just play with it sometimes.
People commented; “your hair looks so much better this way”. I became a 5.
At this point I was lifting properly. I was going 4 times a week, no exceptions, no excuses, and enjoying it. I wasn’t lifting heavy, and was a bit insecure about my low weight on the bar, but knew ego-lifting was for pussies who hurt themselves. More importantly though, I was cooking properly, and eating properly. I enjoyed this new hobby, cooking, more than the lifting. I was hungry all the time, something I had never known or experienced, and so I grazed throughout the day until I was hitting 3k+ calories consistently. Everything about me got slightly chubbier, and I stopped being able to see my ribs; my face started packing on fat too, and began to take on a more masculine appearance, my skin looked and felt different. A few people said “you look healthier, you look like you’re glowing”. I became a 6.
I changed my wardrobe. I’d just hit it big time on a STEM scholarship so splurged out on new clothes. At first I went on reddit fashion subreddits and brought desert boots and oxford shirts and chinos, but I looked like a damn Victorian twink wearing all this. I was very self-conscious going outside because it just didn’t feel right, it was like I was in a costume.
Sometimes I would go out in sweats and a hoodie and trainers and think “wow I actually look kind of badass” like, old women would walk across the street to avoid me. So I adopted the style. I dressed like a black dude for a while and felt much more comfortable; it felt like “me”, and it would hide my skinny frame. Eventually I started finding which colours worked for me, and adding my own personality to the style; things about me from teenagehood I couldn’t just drop, band t-shirts and chucks and vans and flannel. It worked, very well. I got compliments from people on the roadman-grunge hybrid, it felt effortless and suited me, didn’t feel like a costume. I’m young, and stopped trying to dress old. I became a 7.
It was at this point I started getting looks from women on public transport. I would hop onto a train and a 5/10 would see me and I’d see her and then her eyes would snap away and I’d be like “weird” and then she’d look again and see me looking and her eyes would snap away again and then she’d fix her hair. Often I would check my face to see if I had anything in my nose or whatever.
This kept happening for a while and I was getting quite self-conscious about it. Was I creepy or weird? Was I dressed funny? Have I got a big nose or ears or something and they just can’t stop looking?
It’s been about a year at this point and I can finally squat my bodyweight for 5x5 and while I still look skinny in clothes I check myself out shirtless in the mirror and am impressed. I moved on from my strength program to an aesthetics program and started actively working on my pencil neck to make it thicker and chest to make it wider. I saw results within weeks. Suddenly my neck was solid and thick and I was stretching my shirts. I’d also picked up bouldering and this pumped up my forearms and back like no-ones business. I became an 8.
It started to become undeniable that women were checking me out. Every time I would get on a train there would be at least one woman who would see me and we’d meet eyes and she’d quickly look away. Then her hand would go to her nose and scratch it or she’d smooth down her skirt or she’d fidget or fix her hair or fringe. I didn’t understand why. Often she’d look back at me when she thought I wasn’t looking again and I’d catch her and she’d snap away again and I started having a lot of fun messing with girls this way.
I even began to count how much it happened during the day; my average is 6. Some days are better than others, normally after a haircut or during rush-hour. Honestly, if this is what it’s like being an attractive guy getting checked out by women, I cannot even begin to imagine what it’s like being an 18 year old HB9 in public; like minor a celebrity probably. No wonder they’re all so damn entitled and full of themselves, the validation is immense. Or maybe it just gets tiring and annoying after a while. I still enjoy it though.
Some women would hover nearer to me or turn their body so they were facing me and their feet would point in my direction or they’d begin copying things I did or how I sat. Some just couldn’t stop looking, even if I caught them. There was this one girl, not that attractive, who backed up into me on a very crowded sardine train and started grinding her fucking ass into my crotch like we were in a club. I thought it was an accident at first but got a boner anyway but then she kept fucking doing it and I knew for a fact that she could feel my hardon poking her buttcrack yet she continued.
It started to become flattering when I would get the looks from really hot women. Girls who I still considered out of my league would stare at me and sneak glances and I’d look back like “wtf you looking at” and then they’d sit next to me or across from me and play with their hair or part their legs or touch the inside of their thighs. Sometimes it would come from older women, cougars and milfs who were much more subtle about it but would also smile at me when I caught them looking.
Oh yeah, the smiles from women were a big giveaway, women don’t randomly smile at ugly men.
I was still denying it though. Still sneakily checking my reflection in my phone to make sure I didn’t have anything on my face or a booger. I couldn’t accept I was attractive, not after a whole life of invisible betadom. AI was actually getting laid at this point though, with 6s and 7s I met at school, and this would improve my mood and mindset. It began to show in the way I walked, my aura changed and I would manspread or check out girls without giving a fuck. At this point, I’m a 9 to some women. I can’t pull off the whole big and masculine thing, still too boyish, but I definitely got that pretty boy Dorian Gray fuckboy vibe going.
It was when I got these stares from women who were with their boyfriends that I began to get blackpilled. They would sit there holding their boyfriends hands or he’d be diddling away on his phone and the bitch would sneak glances and then get all fidgety. We’d meet eyes and I’d hatestare her and then she’d blush and then start grooming herself and the guy would be fucking oblivious. She would continue to sneak glances for a while until they left, or sometimes the guy would pick up on it and then hatestare me back and then put an arm around his girl or something. I don’t blame him. The whole time all I could think was “stop looking at me whore your bf is right there”.
It’s when I started getting stares from the teenage girls and children, some of them quite clearly pre-teens that it started to make me feel sick. I understand that I look like I could be in one-direction or something but I was not ready for this level of blackpilling. They can’t start this early can they? When I was that age all I cared about was yugioh. Wtf are they doing staring at me? This is wrong, very wrong. Often it would make me so uncomfortable I would get off and wait for the next train.
Every time I looked in the mirror I was unimpressed, still fuck ugly and twinky, still and forever small.
Yet the indicators from the outside world were undeniable. I would be walking past a group of girls who were talking loudly and they’d all go quiet and look. Women in my vicinity would get louder and more obnoxious, trying to draw my attention. And still, always, excessive spontaneous grooming from any girl who would see me.
One girl in the library who I used to check out while she squatted at the gym would plop herself down next to me and sigh loudly. Then she’d keep doing it and then accidently bump into me sometimes or drop things and then sigh some more. Another girl followed me around a party and eagerly fetched me drinks and asked me very personal questions until her boyfriend had to confront me and I acted all oblivious.
A lot of women conveniently forget to mention their boyfriends around me. I’d hang out with them for weeks or months and we’d chat in class and I’d flirt quite heavily but subtly as I’m good at it by now and she just won’t tell me she has a boyfriend until I either find out myself through social media or I see them together or she’s forced to mention it because we’re in a group setting or one of her friends sabotages her and brings it up. Normally there’s a quick “wtf bitch why u do that” look between the two girls after. Hilarious shit.
Then you get the betas who are scared of you and treat you like a king. The guys who stutter around you and worship the ground you walk on. You have the guys at the gym who end their sets early if you ask them for the rack because they’re so fucking agreeable they’re scared of telling you they have sets left. There was a dude who basically did my coursework for me for a while, whenever I’d ask him for help with a question he just sent me the full answer and it confused me at first why this guy was bending over backwards for me until I found out he was a faggot and that’s when I realised just how much worship women get from betas; pathetic.
Then you have the betas who are absolutely threatened by you and try to AMOG you at every turn. They get all hyper-competitive in groups, especially with girls, and are fucking loud and obnoxious. I just sit back and let them crash and burn, knowing the golden rule is the more you talk the more faggy you come across. I feel kinda bad for these guys because they’re not attractive and hate you because you are, but they don’t lift or make any real effort and think being aggressive makes them more alpha so not my problem.
Ugly and average girls are super nice to me and give me the sparkle eyes like I’m a god and seem to be happy they’re just in my presence. They laugh at everything I say even when I’m not trying to be funny and stalk my facebook profile with their friends (attested by the random likes on photos posted 4 years ago). Pretty girls go into full on bitch mode as soon as we meet. This never happened before, I was treated like a child before, but still human. Now the 8s and up all assume I want to fuck them (or hope I do) so start shit-testing me from the first word.
Then there’s the girls who change their whole personality around you and become fake. There’s this histrionic jewish girl in my class who bounces around me and does all she can to try and impress me and is wild and childish but in that attractive way where you know she’s crazy in the sack. It was cute at first so I asked her if she wanted to hang out after class with my friends to smoke weed and so we did and I brought my bro round who is one of my best friends but also kind of beta still and we all smoked and he didn’t really say anything embarrassing or cringey he’s just kind of shy and doesn’t lift and this whore went into full on beta shaming putdown mode on the dude and made fun of him and laughed. It made me SO angry that she could so easily flip between submissive sex kitten to ice queen sneering maneater, especially to my best friend, and so I caught that shit and stopped it as tactfully as I could in the situation then ghosted her.
At this point I’m actually getting laid a lot, from women who meet my standards, and it’s hard not to start hating women and just how fucking degenerate they can be. I started off being scared of women; thinking they were smart little princesses with sweet smiles, and they terrified me because they seemed to see right through me and had this magical, ethereal power of intuition. Now I know that was just me projecting my own weakness and insecurity and actually they’re all fucking stupid and malicious and irrational.
Before trp I didn’t hate women. They baffled me, they confused me, they scared me, but I didn’t hate them. I treated them with “respect”, which really meant I kissed ass and sucked up to them. I didn’t get laid.
Now I get laid, and I hate women. Now they piss me off. Now they frustrate me. Now they disappoint me. Now I’m a misogynist.
I’m not a woman hater due to inexperience like the feminists think so, in fact when I was inexperienced I treated women better than I ever do now. It’s precisely because I deal with the prettiest and smartest girls on the daily that I’ve come to the conclusion that they’re all fucking retarded. All of them. If they’re pretty they’re a whore. If they’re smart they’re also a whore. The “smartest” girls I know are the biggest sex addicts and wildest in bed. If they’re not a whore they’re normally ugly, or just fucking dopey, or incredibly bitchy and hard to be around.
Oh and “boyfriend”. Lol. That word means nothing to pre-wall women. Or at least, it doesn’t mean what we think it means. It means companion. It means backup option. It means fashion accessory. It means status symbol. To be paraded around and make other girls jealous. But it definitely does not mean “exclusive sex partner”. The “boyfriend” is a term for the baseline, comfortable branch she’s sitting on at the moment while reaching for a higher-chad, at the slightest hint of confirmed upgrade the dude is dropped. Closest translation to trpSpeak is “main plate”. There is no such thing as a girl who is 100% exclusive to her man, they all cheat, and often without thinking about it, never "on purpose". They don’t see it as cheating, it's just normal to them, they feel entitled to it. Their definition of cheating changes with their whims and the weather. I’ve banged way too many girls with boyfriends to ever take the “I have a boyfriend” shit-test at face value.
You’ll be surprised at the things girls tell you when you’ve just pounded her into an existential crisis and she realises you’ll never actually commit to her, you know she’s a whore and accept it without judgement. She’s honest in that moment. The n-counts they reveal… the experiences they’ve had, and the way they speak about their boyfriends, or orbiters… With utter contempt! With revulsion, mockery! I’ve had more than one girl lay there telling me about the size of another guys dick or how much of a pussy he is or laughing about when he cried or did something embarrassing and it made me fucking sick.
I’ll be laying in bed after having cum in some girls asshole and she’ll sigh as she picks up her phone and there are 20 ignored messages from her orbiters and I’ll sometimes look over and it will be something like “sorry for getting all emotional yesterday I was drunk lol, wanna get lunch today?” and she’d be like “not today sorry xxox” and if only the dude knew that she’s laying on my chest scratching my balls with her other hand while typing this. Sometimes I’m pounding a girl with a fistful of hair and her phone keeps buzzing and it’s her boyfriend and I say “aren’t you gonna get that” and she says “nah just ignore it” and I say “it’s distracting switch it off” so she switches off her phone.
And then you have the ones who are all sweet and innocent and demure and shy and have the perfectly cultivated family oriented social medias and aesthetic photography instagrams yet are in an uber to your place at the slightest hint of a booty call and eagerly tongue swirl your asshole while you browse reddit on your phone.
The wool is no longer over my eyes. It has been burnt away violently. They’re all whores. All of them. women on the train who stare without shame. The MILFs who brush their tits up against you. The teenage girls who think they’re being sneaky taking snapchats of your manspread. The girls who kiss you while their boyfriend is in the other room at the party. The girls who sit in front of you during lectures and bend over and turn around a lot. The girls who take selfies for their boyfriends while their lower half is grinding on your dick.
All of them. Without exception. All it took for me was to get attractive and suddenly I’m in a completely new world, an entirely different fucked up game where the true nature of the female sex is revealed. Becoming Chad was the best and worst thing that ever happened to me. Sure I wasn’t getting laid before but at least I had faith in the “fairer” sex and my world was more pleasant. The illusion was nice to uphold for a while… but now that it’s shattered I’m left with a disgusting, stark, reality that I didn’t sign up for. I didn’t want this shit, send me back to the Matrix please.
You don’t get hit by the anger phase just once, it comes in waves. Initially when you swallow the pill, but multiple times after that. The first time you fuck a cute little thing and she treats you like a sex-god only to realise you’re actually her plate and she treats every other guy this way too. The first time you accidentally meet the kids of that woman who’s face you cum-splattered a few days before. The first time you get given an STD by that small innocent girl you met at the art gallery. Each time you’ll get the surge of rage. Why the fuck do they have to be like this? How can they ALL be like this, yet uphold the good-girl image so perfectly and sweetly? They’re all fucking whores. They’re all damn liars.
The sex isn’t worth it. After overindulging as Chad for a while it becomes boring. Meaningless. I don’t want to use these girls as fucktoys, I hate it. And even if I stopped, some other guys will use them anyway. I just wish they’d all stop being lying fucktoys period. Can’t we just have enforced monogamy again where everyone fucks only one person their whole life and sex isn’t a big fucking deal at all? Where we understand the destructive nature of sex as a drug and keep it under control?
Yes I know it’s delusional and beta of me and imma get the spergs like “still bluepill, still anger phase why r u endosrsed u retard, just deal with it enjoy the decline blab la bla” but fuck man, if you’d seen what I’ve seen you wouldn’t just be able to cope with this shit and remain a bystander, it’s sad what’s happened to our women. They’re not the enemy, they’re not something to be used and enjoyed and thrown away, they’re our sisters and mothers and daughters…“enjoy the decline” is for hedonistic, nihilist losers, faggots who assume they have no power in the world so just fucking give up trying to change it.
I became attractive to get girls, I became Chad, and the world I was inducted into horrifies me. I want out.
School must be out. Look, you adderal addicts among us, do me a favor and stop commenting on posts when you clearly haven't read the whole thing. This post is a certain writing style. It's not going to be for everyone, particularly those that can't stay in their seats for more than 45 seconds unless the teacher duct tapes them to it. Bitching that it is too long or that it is a story is retarded, because it clearly is a long story, retards. For thousands of years people have been writing stories that were entirely, partially or not at all fiction to make a point. The point is what we care about.
I want to thank Heithcliff for outing the blooptard tourists that were lurking. The bans were plentiful. As for the whining spergs, either attack his ideas or shut the fuck up. The method of presentation is not a matter of debate. He clearly took his time with it, which is way more than I can say for the many dozen shitposts automod and the rest of us have removed today alone.
AWALT. And THOTs wonder why Chad doesn't respect them and won't commit. Respect is earned, but earning things is a foreign concept to today's entitled women.
Stop making sense, damn it!
This is pure, uncut, red pill.
It's absolutely a feedback loop or either complete fuckery or conquest.
OP is now woke on why Allah proscribes a certain few things on women's behaviour...
AWALT.
Hey...as a Muslim I would urge you not to bring Islam into this discussion
We can bring anything into this discussion if it proves our point. God/The people who created religion knew of humans nature to its fullest extent.
Religion suppresses natural instinct and promotes consistency with tasks like praying which a lot of people lack nowadays. I am not debating that god exists or not but the concept of religion is needed to keep people in check. We have modern capitalism now which also works.. kinda.
I agree 100%. I'm more than grateful to be a muslim in a muslim country because I can build a family without the fear of things like divorce rape, cheating wife, my children being taken away etc. etc. The reason I asked the OP to keep Islam out of it is because its not accepted very well in this community mostly and people tend to say harsh things
Would you still feel as grateful if you were gay?
May I ask what country you're from?
look at the username of the top poster
Totally missed it lol........ anyways I just have thought to share regarding your parent comment. you mentioned that Islam proscibes certain boundaries on women due to which they turn out chaste, feminine, submissive, which is true. But Islam also proscribes certain boundaries on men as well (not having sex outside of wedlock for eg.) and because of this I have seen guys here calling Islam BP. So, my take on this issue is that Redpill men have to swallow a more bitter and redder pill which is 'In order for women to be chaste, men must be chaste too'. I mean promiscuous women exist because of promiscuous men and vice versa (but since on Redpill we say that men are the logical and controlled ones so the burden does fall largely on our shoulders) My closing thought is that we as a species are one ungrateful lot of cunts. No matter what the grass will always be greener on the other side. I live in third world Muslim country (not war ridden or anything) and many millinneals here idolize the western lifestyle not knowing that though on the surface it does look good and you do have certain advantages BUT you can't have it all...........
Or. . .you could just fuck off back to your Mosque and leave people to do whatever the fuck they want. . . .
. . .as a muslim of course.
This part freaked me out... because I suspect that this is exactly what might be the case with my latest plate... so sweet and submissive and eager to please. She stares into my eyes after sex. She strokes my hair and kisses me. She wakes me up the next morning with a soft kiss and whatever else I feel like. She gives me affection and fills my being with her bright, life-giving energy...
...and then I have to face the possibility that she's giving exactly this to another dude(s). F.U.C.K.
I have no place in my heart that can deal with this shit yet.
Ouch. I feel the pain. This is something I still can't get over. Is it all fake? Are they putting on a show? Or do they really love us in that way... and those other guys too.
Women, always a fucking enigma.
It's kind of like partner dancing. Many people you don't want to connect with because they are too old or ugly. Some people you will tolerate connecting with, but only for the practice, and demonstrate that you have enough value that someone is willing to connect with you, and to pass the time, and you are performing a service... and then, and then... there are the people you want to connect with.
But guess what? There are more than one of them. And of this subset, there are some that make you feel like you are in love with them, and that they are in love with you.
But it's all very transient. It comes and goes. You then realize that if you are going to have a loving relationship, that it is based on choice, and that it requires shared values and goals, and not mere attraction.
The fact of the matter is, you cannot base a relationship off of transient feelings and emotions that come and go. This is something that culturally advanced people understand, and have passed on to their children. It's why marriages were arranged, traditionally. It's why romantic love was considered akin to madness, something to be endured, but then ultimately discarded. There are many scholarly books that describe this.
Yet today we are sold a fairy-tales of "one true love" and "sex will make you happy."
So people think, I will have lots of sex, then find my one true love. In chasing the sex, they become sex addicts and lose the ability to pair bond, then become dissatisfied with who they wind up with, if they wind up with anyone at all. They now know what they are missing in the sex department. Sure, some people get lucky, but most don't. But guess what? Under NO regime is anyone going to be happy. Monogamous people who never strayed out of fear of divine retribution always wondered what they were missing. Many so-called monogamous couples had affairs of various kinds; it was just kept secret, as something to be ashamed of.
Anyway, now that you are Chad, I suggest you find a good candidate to have a child with, then get back to a mission of value in life, because it sure ain't servicing random sluts for free. I mean, think about it, if you are as good as you say, you should be charging for the privilege, otherwise you are just giving away your time for free, even though you are getting laid, you have already experienced as much validation as any guy can expect. So now it's time to look elsewhere for meaning in life.
He should just be appropriately choosy.... I mean If he intends to only fuck model material...he’ll be challenged. There is no good good candidate to have a child with really, the main variable is actually money. You need a lot of it to pay the cleaner, the baby sitter, for the house and still have time for fun... so yea he should focus on the mission and just choose a nice new woman to enjoy every few weeks as a treat/reward for the dedicated gym routine and hours going into whatever his mission may be
Why have children if you hate spending time with them so much tha tyou need babysitters to ''still have time for fun''? disgusting and ignorant.
Haha you clearly haven’t had children... or you’re wealthy
Children are a long term investment. If you don't enjoy cleaning up shitty diapers then, you're just like everyone else.
What a fucking awesome reply. Thanks for taking the time to type this out dude. Helps me get my head on straight again.
No problemo.
I want to find a woman fit to bear my children but they are all hos. I have been all over the world and dated women from every walk of life and many different cultures. Rich girls and extremely poor girls. First world girls, third world girls, scandi girls, baltic girls, eastern euros, azns, africans, latinas, white girls, american black girls, ETC ETC ETC. AWALT rings true. I want a traditional girl who shares my religion and is a virgin to have my kids but all those girls want marriage and I don't know if I'm down for that. It's a true gordian knot. I'd love to have kids if I ever found a woman I could trust would not ruin my kid's development at the first chance she got if things went sour between me and her. But I'm not sure that woman exists.
Can't you just cleverly hide a bunch of your assets, create a prenup, use trusts, etc. and then take the risk with the traditional woman who wants marriage and see what happens? Worst comes to worst, you take a minor financial hit that you prepared for.
I know 50% of marriages fail, but think about all the bluepill idiot men who are wifing up no-hope ex-carousel-riding sloots who will revert to their true ways once they pop out a few interest-yielding Chad children.
I wonder what the success rate is for TRP men with traditional women?
Rollo, 20 years
Tex, 30 years
Me, 10 years
They are good. When you know the rules, it's just a matter of playing the game well.
Legally, it's not smart to hide assets, they are really good at finding this. Beyond that, it's just money, you can make more, just don't be stupid and gift it to her to save on taxes
Can't you just give your assets to a family member whom your trust instead?
In theory I suppose, but it seems like a massive chore. Maybe will be down in a few years heheh.
In my ideal world I want a harem of baby mamas, each of them being a responsible adult who raises my kid well. I still don't want to give up on that dream just yet, and marriage seems like giving up on the dream
Well, you can always knock up a bunch of women, but when they find out you won't commit to one exclusively, even without a marriage, you're going to find them resentful, I would imagine, which would carry over to how they raise your child. Also, I think women suck, in a lot of ways, at raising children. Then again, I think most people suck at it as well, even when they are doing a "good job."
Pick up a copy of Coming Apart by Charles Murray. The 50% failure rate is an aggregate, much like the wage gap. The real number can be much, much lower, depending on ethnicity, SES, and level of education between you and your spouse.
Excellent, thanks for the suggestion.
Romeo and Juliet. Schools teach the "struggle to overcome the barriers of love (infatuation)," lens instead of the "if you check-out into fantasy, your whole life will be destroyed" one.
Partnership is dead. You can still have a quasi-marriage with a custom contract and by living in a state without civil unions. Or you might wait it out until the next few generations of women are raised and roll the dice (perhaps some of you might even decide to push this stopped car up its hill).
If you're intelligent with your revenue streams, you can also pay for exclusive in-house escorts to experience the rest of your days with. You get what you pay for, and that includes the essential skills needed in a wife -- and more.
I know the last has been effective in finding women that stick around. While the former two are just leaving things up to chance.
Will these escorts have and raise your kid?
Yes.
They're in it for the lifestyle; if you can satisfy their "ambitions," they'll play Stepford Wife.
Better to pull a Christiano Ronaldo and have a surrogate mother for your kids.
I might frame this.
This is huge, and something I feel gets overlooked a lot on TRP. Don't get stuck being Chad, but spending all of your free time smashing pussy. Total imbalance. Next thing you know, that's ALL you're doing. No mission. Well said.
Their ultimate goal is usually to get that engagement ring and live a comfortable life. So in their heads they are trying to love all of their guys because they never know which one will finally suck it up and commit.
I'm glad you mentioned that. This means that if we were in the same position we would have no room to dislike them for their decisions. Their decisions, only out of necessity. Who wouldn't want a "better life"?
It's real...Right now. Don't ask tomorrow or the answer might upset us.
To look at it a different way: if you stay in the moment, does it really matter? TRP is about enforcing your view of reality and materializing it. Staying present and mindful... Sharp and tactful (some of you have a very different version of tact, however, I have no judgement here).
Regardless if she does this with other men (she does), you have your desires met as planned. If you have your house in order, what a women does or does not do (less blatant disrespect, physical violence, etc) should not take away from your overall well being. Even severe negative encounters with women should not take away from your piece of mind. A red pill man is the prize. A man with passion, with vision, with confidence that walks tall and stands firm in his beliefs, who hand-sculpts his reality and his body is a man that is few and far between. Pretty women are a dime a dozen. I, quite literally, do not have time to waste wondering what a plate is doing when not in my presence. (As I write this while taking a break at my desk on a Saturday, working my 20th day in a row with 6 more to go before the possibility of a day off. You don’t have time to waste on this either)
TRP allows you to appreciate women for what they are, not the ability to change how they are. No need to dwell on the things we cannot change. I don’t believe I’m off base when I say that there are many men who would not change how women are. For me personally, it is far to simple to get my way.
I’ve read many of your posts Heathcliff, you seem to have your head on straight. Respect.
It is definitely real just like when you bro out with one of your friends and play a video game. You all might not like that video game forever but y'all are enjoying it right now.
Facing a harsh reality shows us that no one will ever truly be in full connection with another person forever on a subject. Time is a killer of interest.
Live in the moment and have as much fun as you can because we all will die eventually. Try not to get mad at the fact that one day you will separate. We all die alone and we are all separated from each other in the end.
Once you get past the disappointment in women, you'll be amused by their behavior and it's predictability. I hear they call it Mastery. :)
Nailed it. Seems like OP has some anger problems. Great read and all, but you call homosexuals "faggots" and seem to resent women for their natural behaviors.. Good relationships are possible, just like good relationships with your "bro's" are possible. Part of taking the pill is realizing that our expectations of women, trust and monogamy have been way over-hyped. The key is to always remember that any person, male or female is still a variable outside of your control.
I think for them it is real. Feelz for the win. You put ur manly reasoning to this and the bubble bursts. Read some stoics.
Like admiring soap bubbles. It's pretty when it's floating freely, but when you try to grasp it to hold it and treasure it, it disappears in an instant.
Love is fleeting, enjoy it.
All the world is a stage, my friend.
Can you recommend an aesthetics program ?
This is easily explained by Solipsism. In the moment, she really is radiating this wonderful life energy that makes you feel great, but the trick is that it has nothing to do with you. You just happen to be the lucky sap who gets to experience it in the moment. This is because it's an experience for HER. Not for you. It's about the nice little emotions she's feeling while you stroke her hair after fucking her senseless. That's all it is. Solipsism.
As soon as she leaves your place, you exit her mind. It's all about what she will experience next. Drinks with girlfriends, that other dude who's been dicking her down, maybe she needs some new clothes or a nice dinner with her mom, or perhaps she has to worry about homework or her job (both of which feed back into her endless quest for quality lifestyle and higher status). She isn't wandering around daydreaming about what a nice time she had with you. She isn't feeling gratitude for the orgasms you gave her. She already got her validation and dopamine, so you have been forgotten about until those services are required again.
Keep this in mind at all times: a woman's motivation is always based on A) having a fantastic experience for herself lined up and B) increasing her status among other women. You exist in her life to provide in-the-moment experience, sexual validation, and to give her something to brag about to her friends and family. Any "love" that she describes to you is because you are helping her with her two primary motivations, wrapped up in lots of warm-fuzzy dopamine. Love = successfully aiding a woman with her solipsistic quest.
And this also explains why so many guys fail at texting plates. Girls don't give a shit about an ongoing conversation with you. Your texts either give them dopamine and fun, or they are annoying and needy. It's almost always better to ignore her until you have a clear idea for plans, or you have a few spare minutes to tease her. Otherwise, fucking avoid texting.
Did you fuck her? Then doesn't matter.
If you are looking for any sort of truth from a woman - well, you might get it - but it will be a lie.
They mean it "at that time" just like next week when she's fucking chad, she means it then too.
She doesn't belong to you, it's just your turn
Time and time again this statement holds the ultimate truth in many of people's situations.
So your ultimate solution is to have a steady rotation of women. Something that poor married fools fantasize over. It's not the worst fate.
Let that sink in that women don't care about commitment.they are the polygamous players.
Of course they are. So are men. We all are.
If you think you’re not. Try getting married and living a year with almost no sex
Worst is when you think she's in love with you, you start to invest emotionally, and then she suddenly ghosts you because she has found a better AF/BB.
TRP is harsh.
Be very carefull when investing emotions. Your road is fun and, no matter what she pretends, hers is not. Stay on your road with her driving forward or expect to suddenly crash.
Yeah, that's the biggest lesson that anyone in TRP needs to learn the hard way.
Something like this recently happened to me for the first time. Is it ever real? ... she was talking about poetry and society and the future. She seemed inexperienced too. I’m shook.
I think the idea of this "painful" reality is nonsense. We can yell "AWALT" up the wazoo, but any guy successfully spinning plates knows he's done this thing back to women. I know I have. Once you start spinning plates, you have an array of girls you have to play your song and dance to as well. You will have a plate you treat well, she treats you well, and you think maybe she's the one . . . you know while you're fucking and treating another plate the same way. When you're hot into abundance mentality, it prevents true attachment. I think guys just have that one plate every once in a while that makes them reconsider TRP truth's, usually when other plates start to drop/break. I think because women naturally have options, they rarely go through that "he's the one" mentality fully and develop one-itis the way we can.
I've had this problem, but recently I realised that girls do this only for one reason: they want to be impregnated. Nowadays we use contraception, so she assumes "intfertile male" and moves to another one. I don't think it was this bad in the ancient times, you just made a bitch pregnant for 10-15 times during her life time, her teeth fell out (them BJ tho), half of your kids died, those were the days. Now the worst situation a manly man has is his own preassumtion of looking for Disney princess and finding out that she really likes dicking.
I'm not sure what's worse, the blue pill ideology or the fact that you think you're "red pill", sharing emotions with u/Heathcliff-- , him feeling your pain in the comment below... tf.
There was a study that combination birth control pills for women make them less loyal, but just Progestin is more loyal. Combination is higher protection tho. :/
Ouch. In a twisted way, I can of enjoy it more knowing this.
There's a TRP principle I've never read yet, but it applies to you here:
"She's not into you, she's into men."
Goes for all of them. The quicker you accept this the less pain you'll go through.
Why does this bother you? No one man is good enough to get that from a plate, why ask the impossible?
Interesting to see it from the perspective of no man being good enough.. Hmm. Quite a paradigm shift.
Do I understand correctly in that you mean no man can ever be the "full package", so if she gets the missing parts from another guy, why even bother about it?
It's about not giving a fuck and outcome independance
You make yourself fuckable, don't bullshit yourself about your failures, and whatever happens, happens.
Dude maybe she just loves you
Dude. It is modern life. You havent married her. She treats you well so w.e.
'All women are whores' - they are just women, no more, no less. No whores, no saints. It is just how they are made. C hange your impression of women and don't get angry any more. I recommend stoics- Aurelius and Epicteus.
This.
As if all men aren’t whores too? Do I not want to bang nearly every attractive women I see?
Red pill is about clarity. Clear your mind of the bs.
They are not. The empirical evidence shows the majority of sexually active men are LUCKY if they get laid even once a year. They may wish they were whores, but the fact of the matter is only a minority of men have multiple sexual partners in a given year.
Haha oo deeper philosophy - does the desire / thoughts or only the physical action make a whore?
I’d say it’s the desire / thoughts. After all, what would we call the girl who says she wants to sleep with 10 men in a month (but doesn’t succeed)?
In other words I think you just proved that men are generally unsuccessful whores hahah...
Circling back to my original point - both genders really enjoy sex and calling any side a whore is pretty dumb.
I get that people need to go through their anger phase, but it’s the job of people who are further along to help people out of that.
Yes. Secret kings don't rule kingdoms
The definition of a whore is someone that takes something in return for offering sex. It has nothing to do with if they enjoy it or not. Yeah, most men would absolutely love to be whores, but the vast, vast majority cannot participate in this market place. Women just won't pay for it when there is a long, twisting line of men willing to pay them for it.
Anger phase? Where does that sit next to willful ignorance phase?
The argument that thoughts or desires are what you actually are - is retarded. That would make every human a murderer, thief, rapist etc. The thoughts don’t matter, only actions do.
I would also like to add that women are very sneaky about their promiscuity. Men are honest about it because that’s just how we are wired.
Fully agreed. Some people are just bragging about how much they get laid with multiple women a year. So probably they lied. When in fact, on average, it is not easy to get a woman to get laid, even if one is redpilled. And it takes much effort to find multiple women to get laid. Two woman are considered lucky. At least for majority of men.
Would you mind linking to this evidence? Google searches say sexually active men get it a little less than twice a week
Back to the sidebar for you. This is day 1 TRP material. Men cannot be “whores” while women can be because of biology. Whore is a slur we to use to indicate that a woman is not suitable for commitment because her sexual history shows that you may end up fathering another man’s child.
There is no equivalent concept for men because female parentage is assured. A promiscuous man may be called a player or a cad by some, but the negative implications are completely different - namely that he is shirking his responsibility to society to raise his children. Totally different concept.
Please make the appropriate corrections and resubmit your homework.
Edit: hilarious that this is downvoted. It’s core TRP. Quality of the sub is drastically falling. Even my regular friends understand this concept, despite only admitting it in private.
Ok Mr. Autist. He means all men are promiscuous just like women are - "whores".
This is a place where specificity matters.
This is just judgement of biology through the lens of cultural bias.
Haha so true. OP had become the whore he despised. Ohhh the irony. I did the same as him when I swallowed the pill however... don’t we all
You clowns don't know what whore means. Men produce value. Women consume value. Men exchange value for sex with women. Women are whores for selling sex.
Doesn’t matter how you slice it, it’s an exchange of value in some shape or form
"Men produce value. Women consume value." I don't get this, what kind of value can a man produce that a woman can't?
Women inherently have sexual value, men do not. Men's value to women is in their commitment.(financial, temporal, social) A low-quality woman is a woman who dishes out sex without sufficient commitment on the part of men. A low quality man is someone who gives out commitment without receiving much sex in return.
This is core TRP theory. Try to ignore the day-to-day posts before understanding it. Check out http://www.redpillhandbook.com/
Speak for yourself, women used to travel far and wide just to get a good dickening from me. And they knew I had other women and didn’t want to settle. All they wanted was what I wanted Friday night sex, Saturday morning sex, brunch and then to be on their merry way
Tu quoque (Latin for "you also") or the appeal to hypocrisy is an informal fallacy that intends to discredit the opponent's argument by asserting the opponent's failure to act consistently in accordance with its conclusion(s).
Whataboutism (also known as whataboutery) is a variant of the tu quoque logical fallacy that attempts to discredit an opponent's position by charging them with hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving their argument.
OP's post is about his experience and perspective about how women act and behave. How does your comment about men relate to OP's post about women?
Two reasons:
1) Placing someone in a degrading category, “whore”, usually goes with the implicit “unlike me”.
When I call someone an “infidel” in anger, almost assuredly I’m religious (or view myself a religious ie better).
When I call someone a “dirty black man”, almost assuredly I view myself as a clean not-black man ie better.
2) If you argue that point 1 is not true. That in fact OP himself accepts he’s a whore, but also calls others whores... well then we must agree that the whole rant is useless. No sense in getting angry about anything if we are all whores.
So either way - I think his anger about “whores” is misguided.
— P.S I think there is a big difference between what about ism and noting hypocrisy.
Whataboutism would be if I said something like, “but OP aren’t you mean to puppies?!”.
In other words, ignoring the topic of issue, “being a whore”, and instead focusing on an easy ad hominem attack.
There is no point in comparing men to women when it comes to being a whore. Women are the gatekeepers of sex. For a man, it is an achievement to fuck many women. For women, it is only a matter of willingness how many men they can fuck.
As such, even if OP admits he is a "whore" in your terminology, that does not defeat his argument.
Sure, a lot of men want to, but this comment you've made ignores the reality, in which one of the two groups has a much greater opportunity to do that. There are far, far fewer barriers to women getting laid, than (most) men.
Yep. OP, I would suggest you are still in the anger phase despite your own claims. It just lasts longer for some. It will mellow out as you age and you just accept women for who they are and how they are wired. It's almost like it goes anger, disappointment, acceptance.
No need for anger, let’s just take advantage of the fact that we know women are promiscuous & sleep with many of them at once. Truly the dream
U can't unswallow the pill brother.
The red pill isn't about being a part of something, it's about unplugging and testing theories to find answers for yourself.
Is not even remotely helpful. If OP "can't unswallow" it, then why even say it?
You got some upvotes for puffing your chest out and acting like you're standing on the mountain top. Try to add some substance next time. The comment and the upvotes strike me as a veiled need for validation.
It does no one any good in reality.
Anger phase is a real thing apparently....
"Which would be worse: To live as a monster, or to die as a good man?" Teddy, Shutter Island
I don't think you need to be Chad to come to this realization. Yes, the "Chaddest" , the better tough.
I will not deny, it is frustrating. When your BP side takes over and you'd love to commit to that cute fit girl with amazing body an cute face your TRP side has to kick in and remind you it's not possible.
Since childhood, women are taught that they can get away with anything without consequences. The "sexual revolution" that made sex so cheap regarding risks(to 20% of the men of course) applies to that concept.
Hypergamy can be seen as a two edged sword: it makes her want to fuck you over her bf, but it will make her fuck any other higher value man any time, and from that point you're dead to her.
Try to stay at the top all the time.
Try to stay at the top all the time
Thank you, you sparked a little fire in me. Bout to have the best lift of my life.
Props. You can only be the best "option"
Before and after pics or gtfo
I wouldn't be ready to post pics at 5x5 BW squat tbh
Agreed, it isn't hard to put pics .
This post has a really negative vibe about it, feels like a big ad for his "sub."
Not all women are like what op describes
Do some research into the people you off-hand before your reputation goes from "unknown" to "stupid."
Here's what I learned about you:
1). You're a junior in high school (couple days from being 18)
2). You failed your driver's license test
3). You post on incels and "braincels" subs, in good faith
4). You're running a "watch business" off of Instagram (the dropshipping/private labeling of 2018)
5). Your game is passive
6). You've been in an LTR for 2 years with a girl that gets hit on in front of you
These are just the things relevant to TRP. In another handful of posts you've given enough information for anyone to be able to DOX you.
Tighten up your post history, go read through Heathcliff's sub, and lurk more.
Dropshipping doesn't really fit with the other 7. At least he's thinking how to put some coin into his pocket - something most betas don't do
AWALT. Woman are hypergamous.
You must have a sad life if you believe that
Women if given the oppurtunity will swing branch. I am not blaming them at all. I dont think they are all whores. I am blaming the system/ society that has promoted and allowed this sort of behaviour. Even 50/60 years ago this behaviour was frowned upon in wider society, meaning that society could function more normally than what is evident today.
Compared to 40 years ago, half as many Americans are enjoying a successful long term marriage.
So your saying your mom or grandma would leave your dad and grandfather in an instant for a higher value man.
I'm in highschool and have been dating my girlfriend for two years coming up now I've never had an issue with her going to another guy, hell she is even older than me (17,18) and gets hit on people all the time at the restaurant she works at. Maybe cuz I'm a "chad" that's why she stays with me, or more likely cuz she actually likes and has integrity for a relationship.
The mental masturbation on this thread is insane. Not saying I don't enjoy it though. However I find it really hard to believe random women are rubbing up against your crotch in public like c'mon.
Then you not alpha enough then in their eyes. You only find it hard to believe because you have no experience of it. It happens. Same as random girls in nightclubs doing it in turns (back up, grind ass into crotch) competing against each other while you stand there and have a smile with bouncer who notices and can't believe it (or maybe he sees it all the time, more likely). I have many more examples but trying to keep privacy here.
Maybe you didn't understand me, allow me to clarify: the night club example I can totally understand, it's a different situation entirely where people are alcoholically and sexually charged. The notion of meeting/hooking up/having sex is already very implied. In the club/ravescene here in New York I've fucked random strangers in the bathroom after such an event as described. But being on a train on your way to work with random people? Totally different vibe. I really fucking doubt most people will even want to talk in the morning let alone start grinding.
True, I think thought he left out his HB rating for this girl on train though didn't he, and probably on purpose... it is highly likely she was a HB4 or less or possibly post-wall and it was her only way of getting her own kicks from a high value male, since none would voluntarily go near her. May have been her trying to attract him this way. But in this situation an ass is an ass (female only)... i'm sure he wasn't complaining. I wish I took train to work actually - more difficult to have this happen on seated buses ;-) I've had it happen in crowded pubs/bars myself in big crowd where a girl stays right in front of you even though she could move anywhere in crowd, she doesn't, and ass is pushed up against crotch.. it's nice - and I ain't going to move either!
Extrapolate what you learned into all areas of life. Everything is a game. You can't change the world but you can change yourself. Learn the cheat codes and excel. Find some hobbies. It's not supposed to be fun even if you do succeed. Why do you think rich and famous people still kill themselves? You're looking for something that isn't there.
It is a goal that recedes as soon as it is attained.
Most goals are like that tbf.
That's why it's the journey before the destination. The most important step is always the next one.
I don't think there are any cheat codes. Hard work pays off, be masculine, be tough, be the prize. It all seems to be just grinding and learning.
Good post. I didn't fully swallow until I was around 7, 8, 9's. No one believes the shit until dealing with powerful women. The horror that ensues is demoralizing
I agree. This is the main reason why I find it strange when guys will brag about banging all these chicks with boy friends or husbands or even single girls, when everyone is just getting sloppy 2nds, 3rds, etc. what is there to boast about?
Don’t get me wrong I still want to bang a lot of these sluts, but when you think about this shit it’s really kind of gross.
Use a condom... not that gross to me.
Not physically. You’re joking right?
Really? Are you into bukkake shit cause that’s what it feels like sometimes like a chick has just had loads all over/in her. Sometimes it hits me like it’s gross too.
It's just a reality of the modern world. That little princess that you are plowing? She could very well be drenched in semen from dozens of other men before you even saw her the first time. Just come to terms with it or your dick won't go much further than your hand.
I get what you’re saying but I think it’s good for a lot of beta dudes to take women off a pedestal and realize a lot of them are gross.
They aren't on a pedestal. They are on their knees getting painted with loads.
Yes, that exactly what I’m saying haha.
I don’t really understand the hate coming from this guy. He’s found out women have sex drives that favour attractive men? Just like men have sex drives that favour attractive women? I agree things were better in the past, most people can’t control their sexual urges, and social norms around sexual morality are needed. But really, figuring out women aren’t angels, they’re humans just like men has made him into a misogynist? Pretty sad.
Exactly. The realization that everyone likes sex, not just men, is apparently the end of the world. Imagine how delusional people must actually be to have been so affected by learning the truth. If he stands by the argument that men are not meant to be monogamous, why would he not apply the same rationale to other members of the human race i.e females, and expect differently of them? I just don't see the logic.
Of course, you don't. You don't want to. There is a difference between persons who admit they want sex and persons who pretend they don't but are secretly sex-crazy. It's the illusion of being pristine but hypocritical that makes you despise them, for their lack of authenticity not their promiscuity.
The red pill is a bitter pill to swallow. He was invested in his illusions and they were shattered.
Good job, OP. So many posts about Step A and Step Z, but not many posts about everything inbetween. A newb might think this post is humblebrag, but those who've been through it, know it's real shit. I couldn't put that feeling and experience into words and you've done it well. Thanks.
+1 on the children black pill. Hell I was at the bank and these two high school sisters, probably 14 and 16 were ... I would describe it as a show in front of me. Talking about their height , hugging, doing little dances, exaggerated voices and movements to draw attention, getting close enough to feel their heat and smell their scent.. and I’m 100% still waiting in line . The mom was there too so she was in on it and totally okay. Even moms will whore it their daughters to get them a quality man.
Other things are 12 year old girls in crowds randomly leaning on you as if she’s a girlfriend . Wtf
Weirdest shit that ever happened to me was that kind of thing with the 12ish year old. Granted I'm 21 so it would be even worse for older dudes
I went to six flags a few years back with a good friend of mine and my family friend circle. One of our family friends has a little sister who was maybe 12 at the time. The entire day she could not control herself, and was actively trying to flirt with my friend who had a good 6 years on her. It was kinda funny because at that age flirting is just giving lots of attention and playing footsies, but at the same time it was pretty gross and made him immensely uncomfortable, and even when he firmly told her to cut the bullshit, of course she didn’t care or listen.
Too all guys being weirded out because of 12 year old-ish girls staring at them - it's not like you didn't stare at attractive 20 year old girls when your were younger.
I was referring to the leaning on part. Physical contact is weird as fuck. Talking fine though imo.
Do you guys have a pretty boy face? I get IOIs and even hit on by women 18-30, but almost never from younger girls, especially below 15
I have masculine features but I’ve been described as pretty to look at.
For me this is shocking, but no so shocking at the same time. When I was 12/13 me and my friends were fantasizing about kissing our female teachers,5-15 years our senior. In high school it was even worse, we'd talk all the time about the things we'd do to them.
Hell a few girls I went to high school with had 20-something boyfriends and ended up pregnant junior year. Shit is wild man.
Aye another heathcliff story
Just another self-masterbatory rant that reads like RP fanfiction.
You don't need five-thousand words to tell guys that there are no shortcuts to success or "hacks" to getting what you want out of life:
tl;dr Stop making excuses. Fix the things in your life that need fixing (diet, fitness, grooming, confidence, finances, whatever, etc.) and women will be more interested in you. Many of them will let you bang them on the first date, and will even do all those things you saw in the porn clips. Just don't marry any of them. You're welcome.
But he has his own subreddit
Thats what I didn't like about this post. I could not quite articulate it but now that I saw this comment the post sounds like a fucking 5 dollar self help seminar or those dudes who post pickup videos on youtube swearing it works. I don't care the guy supposedly jumped 5 points, which sounds suspiciously over or undersold, it just all sounds like feel good fiction. It sounds like someone will read this and say hey if I do A and B I will smash all the puss and EVERY girl will find me attractive. All the while it has an undertone of trying to undermine redpill teachings and lessons. "I'm a sex god and now its boring, turn back now young padawan" really? Gtfo with that horseshit.
Also if 5 is an average and this guy self described as a 3 wouldn't that basically be deformed? Definitely not a good looking face. It just sounds like this story was definitely skewed one way or the other.
ProTip: On this sub take posts that meantion ratings of looks with a heavy grain of salt. Because when guys on here tell you they were gaming an "HB9" or "HB10" or whatever number they arbitrarily assign to a girl, it's often either one and/or two things:
1) They just want to post a humblebrag so that their ego can be stoked. 2) They're honestly overinflating a woman's value, putting her on a pedestal, and are in the beginning stages of oneitis.
And I can imagine telling others your own rating would be similar. "Hey, I was a 3, but I busted my ass in the gym and now I'm a solid 9." Who cares? If it works for you, great. If it doesn't, change. But we're not here to validate your looks with upvotes and adulations.
Honestly, there are two ratings people should get: Zeros and ones. Are you interested in this chick? Great. She's a one. Everything else doesn't really matter. You don't want to fuck this girl? She's a zero. Move on. Other than that... Having sex with an HB7 vs HB9 means exactly fuck-all to a bunch of strangers on the internet.
"Welcome to The Red Pill, the sub where everything's made up and the points don't matter."
Most women are 4-6 if we're looking at a bell curve. But nobody wants to post online saying that hooked up with a 5. Also, "zeros" (fat chicks, very ugly ones, etc.) don't get ratings because they would throw off the bell curve ratings of what an otherwise healthy normal looking woman should look like. And whatever guys post on this sub? Just subtract 2 points and it's probably closer to accurate. There are very, very few 8s and 9s in this world.
what's an average girl who has a good BMI. aka all they have to do is not be fat lmao
I gave this one a read because I saw it's from an endorsed guy, but now I am regretting it. There's nothing to be learnt from this piece, except mental masturbation, "hero progression" scheme used by fan fictions and comics etc...
No offense, but this type of writings seem to be liked by younger audience for some reason. OP uses some general body language signs for attraction and inserts some RP element, just to appeal more to this sub.
The numbers OP describes himself with must be from HIS point of view, which is in his head. It's skewed on purpose to make the whole progression seem more dramatic.
Totally agree, pretty much devoid of substance.
If only it was that easy bud. Sometimes, a good story teaches much better than a buzzfeed list or low effort wankpost. There are actually three posts in this one article: 1) a crash course on IOIs 2) an analysis of women's hypergamous behaviour and 3) a call to action and improvement through jealousy.
Weave them all together into a colourful, entertaining read and many guys come way much more learned and motivated.
Yet there are always lazy spergs in the comments with boring lives who refuse to believe others can have exciting ones, and they only come here to masturbate over sidebar regurgiated, easily digestible TL;DRs and rageporn. Can't make it through a 10 minute youtube video let alone a moderately long article. When was the last time you finished a book?
For the lazy TLDR faggots, here's an easily digestable list:
I doubt you were 3; you just had low self esteem. I can conclude this from:
Anyway congratulation on reaching your full potential.
You're mad a the OP for not writing the piece you wanted to hear. You wanted to hear the slightly expanded version of your tl;dr stuff. Well, he was telling something more than just that. He reported not just his experiences in transitioning from beta to alpha, but more importantly, the psychological effect being an alpha had on him. Men here who are totally satisfied with spinning plates and indulging in pump-and-dumps perhaps aren't able to understand the reaction OP had. For him, to learn the bitter truth of the reality of women - who are not just plates to be fucked, but also mothers, sisters, wives, etc. - was profoundly disturbing to his sense of what life should be all about. And he shared those insights with us here.
That made it more dimensioned than simply, "Hey, betaboy! Lift, eat right, pass shit tests, fuck bitches! Woo!" To attack such a piece as the one he wrote displays a "crabs in a barrel" mentality. If you don't agree with someone's conclusions, all you have to say is, "Hmmm. From my experience, I disagree."
No. Nobody is mad about anything.
Look, I've known about TRP and have interacted with this sub and its related subs, to varying degrees, for about 5 years (obviously, a lot less the last few years). I think there was about 30k subscribers when I found the sub.
But one thing I've noticed is this: Way too many posts like FRs and posts like this read more like self-congratulatory RP fanfiction, devolving more into what sounds like a parody of TRP and one giant dick measuring contest about who's the most ALPHATM and humblebragging about the "HB9" you hooked up with last week, to such cringe inducing levels, it's annoying. Not annoying because OP is doing well (if you take everything someone writes as the gospel truth), but for the reasons mentioned about. And guys will read this shit, which lacks nuance and thought, and TRP circlejerk will keep devolving into a complete parody of what it was years ago. But that's just my two-cents.
To each their own. I have much better things to do with my time.
So, "Hmmm. From my experience, I disagree." But it's not exactly that I disagree. I (mostly) don't. It just feels like OP writes these long essays to win some fake internet points, and even has his own sub dedicated to himself, for the sole purpose of stoking his ego. Maybe I'm wrong?
I, too, have read the kind of posts you describe as a "parody of TRP" including the humblebragging as well as the out-and-out-bragging types, so I know what you're saying. I guess I just didn't find this post to be one of those. OP maintained to the end how some of his so-called flaws never changed. I did note that the post was almost too-well composed, too-well constructed, too-well verbalized for your average Field Report. He writes like a writer. That said, I didn't disbelieve what he reported.
And I very much appreciated that after experiencing his shift from beta to alpha, he delved into the tragic aspect of it: the realization that All Women Actually Are Like That and it's depressing as hell. I spent a couple of hours yesterday talking with my neighbor, Neil, across the street. His ex said she'd hired a certain local lawyer to take him to court to sue for full custody of their two kids. I've used that lawyer myself-- the guy's a monster. I thought Neil would be screwed. Turns out they'd had a conversation on the phone, and Neil said, "...but I'm their *father*!"
"Not for long!" she said and hung up.
The threat of the lawyer turned out to be bullshit she said later, just to terrify Neil. She apparently didn't call the lawyer after all.
This woman is somebody that everybody says is a real sweetheart. And yet, she's in that mode where she vilifies her ex... just because she can. Hearing it all was super depressing yesterday, recognizing that AWALT and how tragic that is... for everybody. It was illuminating when the OP addressed that aspect of the Red Pill awakening phenomenon.
So, jb_trp, you and I disagree about a post in a subreddit. Which is fine. You ever get to Nantucket Island look me up and I'll buy you a beer.
I appreciate your insight. I'd probably take you up on that offer for a beer.
This was entertaining. Good story telling.
I'm sorry that you have found yourself in the anger phase. It's okay to feel negative about things that upset you. You might not always feel that way. But you're entitled to be angry when you're told to approach life in one way and it turns out that that's not how the world works. Hope that things get better.
You’ve realized that modern society is degenerate and breeds degenerate women.
What I admire about you is that you’re disgusted by it. A lot of guys in your position would be in heaven but you’re switched on enough to realize the sad implications.
We really need white Sharia yesterday.
You know...I don't know how I ended up here, and honestly...especially with my username (which is a complete joke--please try to understand lol), you might not take me seriously, but I genuinely feel for you people.
This world is seriously messed up and shallow, and people really do suffer because of this "culture" that has been created for us.
I'd like to comment though, if it's ok.
First, at OP it probably doesn't mean much, but congratulations on putting in the work to get to where you've gotten. I'm sure it was hard work. That moment of decision that you followed through with is the first step to changing a life.
Second, I was really interested in that last part though, starting with "the sex isn't worth it." I completely agree. Personally, I think that is the answer. I think the world would be much better off if people committed to one another--if marriage was serious again and people didn't just shove off the moment life got hard or someone started to look less attractive or make less money etc... Our culture is a product of shallowness and nihilism, and the people who suffer for it right now are us.
Here is where you might completely dismiss me. Full disclosure: I am considered a conventionally attractive female. But I am, because of my faith and beliefs, a virgin. I will remain that way until marriage. Having said that, I believe that sex is--like you said, a drug, that it shouldn't be just thrown around because it's serious and people's hearts get broken. We try to act like we are all detached but the bonds that are created through sex are serious and they mess with peoples heads.
This is the thing. I think you all on this forum have valid pain. This world portrays the idea that your young years are supposed to be filled with sex and blah blah blah when in reality everything sucks, people take advantage of one another, everything is a mess and we're all poor and struggling no matter how hard we work. I can't understand from a male perspective what it feels like to live your lives, but I lived the life of an ugly duckling for most of my time growing up. I know the pain of being passed over and ignored--but by guys. I saw the guy I loved constantly choose the girl with the great body and the pretty face. I know how cruel girls can be when you aren't seen as attractive. This is why when suddenly my hormones did me a solid I never have forgotten that people deserve to be treated with kindness, not contempt.
At the end of the day, we can't control our genetics, but we can control our actions. I know I'm a story of someone who doesn't have to struggle as much anymore, but the pain of rejection never goes away. You never truly trust people--the knowledge of how shallow people can be never leaves. But I don't think everyone is shallow. I think if you are open to love, someday--it might take a long time, you will find it.
However, what changed my life is that first of all, I realized I was wasting my life being I just want to suggest that instead of stewing in bitterness that maybe...if you could just try it, I know it sounds incredibly cheesy, and it probably feels better to be angry--that you could give yourself a try. Don't be so hard on yourselves. Maybe try things like the OP like the gym. Try to find discipline and passion. People love people who are ok with themselves. One day I was making a snide comment to myself about a woman's outfit when I realized I wasn't helping anyone. My words were not only mean to her, but they were destructive to myself on some level. On that day I decided to--if I was feeling bad, instead of taking it out on people, try to find exactly one good thing about every stranger around me. It will take practice but it genuinely changes your life perspective over time.
Also, I know you might be opposed on any number of grounds, but I found a lot of solace in religion and in nature. Call it the opiate of the masses or whatever, but believing that I was loved and put here for a reason made my life so much kinder...it made me kinder to myself and to others. Going to bed, I could talk to someone who cared about me in heaven instead of feeling discontented to not be out with guys or whatever. Also, just going outside and being in nature makes life less terrible. Literally just try to get even 10 minutes of the day outside to take a walk and breathe.
Lastly, if nothing else--genetics might not have predisposed you to be Brad Pitt, but if nothing else, know that every cell in your body is trying its best to keep you alive and well. Please take care of yourselves--they're all counting on you.
I don't know if you'll all hate me or whatever, but I genuinely wish you the best.
Hey man, what stretches did you do for your atp
It takes some time to get corrected. Mostly hip.flexor stretch, like in lunges. And strengthen your glutes.
It's true what they say about curiosity isn't it. By nature we seek the truth, and once we reach it, we're left with nothing but cold, hard reality. The BP unicorn good-girl dream is a safety blanket, something to help us sleep at night, something to help us feel positive while toiling through the drudgery of daily life. It's the light at the end of the shit-tunnel. Enough observations of the real world, however, and you eventually shed the blanket. You realize that you were sold a lie, you get angry, you get sad, and then you accept reality. There's no going back.
What I know about women now makes me strongly consider going MGTOW. Things I've seen girlfriends do, things I've seen mothers do. The maddening thing is that they will never understand their nature, they will never acknowledge it, they will never see themselves as you see them. It's incongruent with their interests to be aware of how unethical, immoral and cruel they can be to men who love them. Even with the most intelligent girl you can find, to try to call attention to the true nature of things is akin to banging your head against the wall.
I won't go MGTOW, however, regardless of how logical and appealing it seems, because I am a man and I just have to pursue women. It's in my blood. I think many guys that say they are 'going their own way' because they just don't care about or want women are kidding themselves. Yeah, you definitely don't care. That's why you post daily misogynist memes and hateful tirades on the MGTOW subreddit. You clearly aren't obsessed with women. You clearly don't care. It's the easy way out, an excuse to not improve yourself and become desirable.
I think the solution is to just plate (wow big revelation right?). You can't get emotionally attached, despite how much girls will desperately try to make you. You can't allow yourself to be invested, because you will be let down. The most damaging thing is allowing women's actions to affect your sense of self-worth. I've been guilty of it far too many times. You're dating a girl, she does something disrespectful of you (because it's her nature, she can't help it), and you wonder: "What did I do wrong? Am I not good/tall/attractive/smart/strong enough? How can she give that dude the fuck-me eyes when I'm standing right here? How can she give her number to guys clearly hitting on her when she's in a relationship with me?" You are never the problem. She is. Take away your investment and you're safe.
Why not just open relationship?
Much needed this morning. Thank you for taking the time to type this.
Excellent breakdown on the journey into becoming more aware.
I went through a similar phase but was born lucky in terms of looks and intellect. I started lifting in early highschool and I started playing with women early: I slept with my english teacher in highschool and a friend's mother in highschool and have been with many women in my teens and 20's. I even had female cousins proposition me and was engaged in all varieties of debaucheries. The level of female (and let's be honest, human) depravity really knows no bounds.
I was even engaged last year but called it off 3 months before the wedding when I found out my fiance went with her mother to swap the engagement ring I bought her for a bigger one (I learned it was because one of her friends received a $20,000 ring).
Most normal people would not believe the things that I've seen and done with women.
Playing with women is only ever really the first stage of becoming "redpill aware" and is just the first step in the ascension. The feeling of meaninglessness you get from just playing around is due to a lack of fulfillment as you feel stuck in a cycle or loop and experiences with women become a kind of routine and repeating thing.
Having said all that, I found what helped me overcome my anger and disbelief was to focus inwardly on myself and to instead take advantage of that latent energy within me and take advantage of the state of affairs of what we call "modern civilization". True power and achievement lies in mastering and having dominion over yourself and is a lifelong journey.
I would highly recommend Julius Evola to you, you can listen to Jonathan Bowden's analysis of him here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YqKf3v2aPs
The book I would recommend is called: "Ride the Tiger". This work examines the prototype of the human being who can give absolute meaning to his or her life in a world of dissolution and provides a powerful criticism of the idols, structures, theories, and illusions of our modern age.
Cheers.
Heavy is the head that wears the crown. My story is not that different to yours in some ways. I was also skinny as fuck, and when I was a teenager I couldn't get laid. Then along came a friend who taught me the basics of game. Life changed dramatically. Fast forward a couple of decades and I find myself divorced and in my 40s. I m skinny, average looking but I am blessed with height (6'2") and irrational self confidence (not faking it, I really do think I am the shit). I also have status, I am a lawyer, I wear expensive suits, have a nice haircut, and I am fit for my age (not muscular) and I am ridiculously cocky. SO whilst I am no muscle Chad, I am definitely a status Chad. SO I find myself balls deep in high quality pussy on the regular. I am talking Vogue and Maxim models, HB9s from nightclubs, women with a nett worth in the tens of millions (rich daddies and one girl who made it all herself). I have most of the same stories, girls cheating on husbands and boyfriends, girls showing me text messages from their orbiters and laughing at them. Girls who just left a guys house who bought them lingerie as a present, they bring it back to my place unopened, then do a dress up show for me then fucking me while he messages to see if she has tried it on yet. Did I get mad, HELL NAWWW, I was just glad not to be the teenage 88Will88 who could not get laid at all, then I was mad. For me the world did not turn into a worse place, it was like seeing reality for the first time.
Was I disgusted? Well yes but no more disgusted than I was with the degenerate men I had to help in my job as a lawyer, no more than I hated the priests who raped my children clients, no more disgusted than I was with watching two dogs fighting. The real reason men struggle with the reality of female sexuality is because they still have women up on a pedestal, or they are still deleting the programming that has been inserted in their heads. The main reason people get angry about female nature is because of an idyllic worldview or the mistaken belief that traditional marriage was a great thing. Due to the biological hangup of wanting to know that one's partner is virtuous so the child is likely to be yours men think they can find a virtuous woman. There are no virtuous women, only women who have been scared or brainwashed into acting virtuously. We live on a ball of rock, spinning around a star in the cold dark void of space. We live on planet populated by bacteria, plants and animals. A world where life expresses itself in almost infinite ways and variations. We are not special, humans are not monogamous. Humans are not divine, they are just hairless apes who wear clothes and use technology. Accepting the world as it is, rather than as the way we wish it to be, is the first step into freedom.
I like that part from "we live on a ball of rock" till the end.
I don't agree it is about putting women on pedestal. It is more about realization that modern men are simply exploited by women for sex, money, status, protection. It is about realization that women have it all while most men are just batteries for powering the matrix. Finally it is also about realization that building your castle and creating a family has been exchanged for meaningless sex (if you are in top 20%) or living in solitude if you are below. And some people are just not nihilistic and cynic enough to enjoy this.
Yes, this is the essence of TRP and The Manipulated Man (the best thing on the sidebar). Yes we are and those of us who realise this and game it to our own advantage are at the top of the shit heap. If you can plug into this reality and learn to game it, the you become a king, instead of a slave.
Or you just think you are a king but in reality you still serve women hypergamous nature. It just that you switched roles from being Billy Beta to being Chad Thundercock. Of course being Chad is better than being Billy but you still serve the system and you keep it running.
What system is it that I serve?
You serve women hypergamy that divides men into Chads Thundercock and Billy Betas. Taking redpill just switches you from being Billy Beta to Chad Thundercock. That's it. You still serve women hypergamy only as a different actor.
I serve my own desires and naught else. I do not want to fuck women because hypergamy commands it, I want to fuck them because my cock commands it.
"Accept the world as it is, rather than the way we wish it to be, is the first step to freedom". This is one of my favorite quotes ever. It is so true. Much of the anger I see in people reacting to the world, myself included, is when people come from a paradigm of "what should be" rather than "what is".
After reading your speech I feel like I'm an emancipated being. Thanks for writing these thoughts out.
Amazing post. I'm in the middle of a similar transformation and intend on posting about it soon. I can completely vouch for everything OP said and I believe every word of this post. It's mind blowing how simply being very attractive draws everyone's eyes. Middle aged dads, all women of all ages, children even babies are hypnotized by my face. Pro tip: Train your neck every night before going to bed. Two months and you'll be the mayor of chisel city. Add two years of regular MMA training and the swagger that comes with it and it's like I've stepped into a completely different dimension.
How to train your neck? Please share any tips
Put your pillow to the side and lie flat on your back arms to your sides.
Start with 100 chin to chests (lift your whole head off the bed and try and touch your chin to your chest and don't let the back of your head hit the bed on the way back).
Then 100 chin to shoulders (basically looking left to right while keeping your head elevated.)
Then 100 ear to shoulders (left right, left right keeping your head elevated.)
Rest as necessary. You'll suck at first and might only be able to do 20 each, but you'll be amazed at how quickly your neck will thicken up, you'll lose the double chin and your whole face will tighten up revealing the bone structure. I skip this on days I do jiu jitsu, only do a few if I've done kickboxing but I do all 300 without resting between sets on days I don't train. Good luck brother!
Is this all you do for the neck? I know some people buy weighted harnesses and whatnot.
Yup, I've seen those, defs go for the harness if you want I'm sure it works great too. I'm a pretty big guy with a pretty big head so doing above makes my neck tired enough. Plus I frequently fuck it up (usually from wrestling takedowns) and don't want to risk injuring it with too much weight.
Ear to shoulders should be while laying on your back with your head elevated facing the ceiling?
Also how long? 2 weeks? Two months? 6?
Yes, keep the back of your head off the ground/bed. As for how long, I'd bet good money that if you do above regularly for two months you will jump up at least 1 notch in the face department. It'll make you look like a rugby player.
What is it that the neck is to be trained about?
do neck curls to get a thick sternocleinomastoid.
buy a neck harness, do neck extensions to train posterior of the neck (splenius, levator scapulae etc.)
do rack pulls above the knee and farmer’s walks for traps
if you’re only training arms and chest you have no understanding of masculine aesthetics
Do you have further advice? It will be appreciated.
You are sort of an extreme case. You were really underplaying your potential.
If you are so called normal dude, you can improve your SMV scores maybe 2 notches lookwise if you do everything right but nice inspiring story for guys not reached their top tier potential.
If you are a 3, no game will get you scoring 8, 9 or 10. Maybe a fucking lucky 7 sometimes if you game 100% correctly.
EDIT:
And you could do another post and add only this part. This is something I resonate really strongly with:
That's what I thought as well at the beginning.
He was probably just average at the start, and he also mentioned he's tall.
Put a little effort, like going to the gym and a haircut, and it's easy then.
Some people: short, bald, big unsymmetrical faces will never make it to the point of smashing even 5's.
How can you tell a guy who has been going to the gym, takes care of himself, dresses good that all he deserves is a 5 fat bitch who has never step into the gym or bothered taking care of her self?
The SMP is such an unbalanced place right now.
You're confusing a template of reality with reality itself. According to Red Pill "best practices" that would be true. But reality is more nuanced, more bizarre, than what can be put into a philosophical manifest. I have a friend who's maybe 5'1" whose girlfriend is a former Victoria's Secret model from the Ukraine. I had a friend (now deceased) who had one withered leg as a result of childhood polio who always had smoking girlfriends. He wore a leg brace and walked with a pronounced limp. Somehow he turned that into his way of standing out against the competition!
The supreme example from among my acquaintances was my friend Tommy. He was an uneducated house painter from New Jersey-- not dumb, just uneducated. Tommy dressed like a slob. He had long thin stringy hair, and he'd push some strands up into a sort of totally ineffective comb-over (seriously.) And most importantly, Tommy was fucking ugly. About the only thing he had going for him from the checklist of attributes is that he was about six feet tall.
Tommy consistently fucked more women than anybody else I've ever know. Hot women. My friends and I would talk about it constantly. "How the fuck does he do that??? Tommy's fucking ugly! He's crude and vulgar. And he always leaves with the hottest chick -or chicks!- in the place!! What the fuck!" It wasn't until I started reading Red Pill stuff that it began to make sense to me. The *single* thing Tommy had going for him was he had absolutely supreme (and undeserved!) confidence in himself. As a result of that, he always believed he was better than any woman he'd ever meet-- so he was doing them a favor by selecting them. Somehow, women translated his lack of interest in them into, "I'll show him that I'm a desirable woman!"
So, definitely take on board and put into practice all of the great advice here, but don't turn it into dogma that can't be challenged or questioned. Don't make of it a Golden Calf that you worship.
Ah I do not know.
Tommy had another "genetic attribute", height., as well as the creator of this post.
I do not believe anymore in "confidence gets you laid", unless the looks come with it.
Confidence most certainly gets you very, very far - but to what degree that other factors assist in this, is unknown, and can absolutely create erroneous philosophies.
Anyone can make a lot of money and pay a high class prostitute. And the prostitutes are cheap compared to a wife/gf... and with a prositute you get a truely honest relationship.
Sure you may go through some hard times, but that’s what got us Microsoft, or Facebook or even Apple.
I don't know, I feel like the experiences with high class prostitutes will not be as real as a woman real desire of being attracted to you.
I have never tried any prostitute yet, but I have experienced the second and it feels great.
I fucking kind of refuse to pay for sex. I am a male, I take care of my body (and I look fucking good), have put some effort on my career to have a great salary but my face is not attractive.
If it's just about saving money for cumming might as well just fap.
Well you’re not wrong there! But In the long run you’re missing out on strife more than anything else. Cumming less has a way of sharpening the mind, so it may feel hard if not brutally unfair but also conducive to other kinds of positive experiences...
If you have your mission, and you have the $$$s sorted. The women will come regardless of the looks
Sex by itself isn't as important for your satisfaction as validation from the fact what girls want you, respect you and ready to do things for you. Your brain like when the world tells you what you awesome. And when you fuck prostitutes your brain feels what women are not attracted to you naturally and it don't like it.
Exactly.
Guys like OP underplay their looks a lot just so they can shut up the actually ugly men who get far worse results.
That's what I have been advocating lately on the lifting threads.
Yes lifting is good for your health, but it is also linked to bringing more success with women. To some of us it won't.
Repeating the second too often it can lead to anger as the promised result ain't coming.
I am not saying don't lift, just don't expect it to be a miracle (that is often sold as that around here).
Yes a 4'11" manlet balding deformed but shredded man will always be better than a 4'11" manlet balding deformed fat man, but probably won't make a difference.
Hey dude they aren't gaming enough.
If you have crappy style then it could deduct about 1-2 points from your actual normal looks. So OP wasn't so far from telling the truth.
"Some people: short, bald, big unsymmetrical faces will never make it to the point of smashing even 5's." If you mean what such guys could never fuck anyone then this is pure BS. Even 3/10 guy could fuck 8/10 woman, it depends on circumstances and a lot of different factors. Looks are just one of the factors and this is less detrimental to men than to women. Moreover there are some ugly women who could get top tier guys commit to them, let alone ugly guys who get hot women.
Mmm okay I guess I can take your first point regarding style, but in order to go from a 3 to a 9 for a man there must be a strong baseline. OP basically was a lazy 9 who didn’t put any effort.
Regarding your second paragraph, I can’t agree with everything.
The features I described ‘bald/asymmetrical/...” would not make the same ending for this history.
Yes, your SMV is relative to many variables: age, ethnicity, even of how horny she is.But saying that a 3/10 can score a 8/10 is like saying to a bald guy that he can be attractive and give The Rock and Vin Diesel as examples.
Does this mean that you don’t have to try/fix style/lift? No, but be realistic and do not expect your history to be as OPs.
Do not expect to get a haircut, go to the gym for a while and start getting looks from women.
TRP tells us to have the three pillars of game in check. And that’s effort, we know it, so before you start be aware of your baseline.
Mothers are proven trash 80% of the time. There's science and data. But just take the bluepill.
''they're our mothers and sisters'' is bullshit filler
I call bullshit, did his chin and jaw grew? If not he still has a feminine face and he said he was getting fatter in face. That is not masculine.
Depends, your chin/jaw will grow width and become more masculine after you stop growing height. Actually it happens several years after growth otherwise is finished. My jawline is noticeably wider and masculine when compared let's say 8 years back (25yo vs 33yo). Not only because of lifting but also because actual bone growth.
When you add the thicker neck to the equation, you will look more masculine.
I call it the Leo DiCaprio Effect. Dude was skinny and twiggy from head to toe for the first 2/3 of his career. Then suddenly his face started widening. Don't think it suits him, but yeah the jaw definitely looks way different than before, and it's clearly not from lifting weights -- most likely age.
lol dude jaw completely stops growing at 25, and the vast majority of growth well before that. Likely your muscles changed and gave a different look.
I stopped growing, and it is not narrow jaw but a short one, small one, i look like a simp. Reccessed chin is objectevly ugly. I also have low bf (max 12%) but my face looks super feminine (chubby) and i have double chin. Nose is also shit, but fuck it there is surgery for dat.
The mandible stops growing around 18, but the aesthetic change is most likely due to muscular development
I stopped growing, and it is not narrow jaw but a short one, small one, i look like a simp. Reccessed chin is objectevly ugly. I also have low bf (max 12%) but my face looks super feminine (chubby) and i have double chin. Nose is also shit, but fuck it there is surgery for dat.
100% sure his chin just isn't prominent, not actually recessed.
So, anybody who doesn't have a certain shape of chin and jawline *can't* attract hot women??? You believe in the model for masculinity to such a degree that any claims to the contrary must be "bullshit"??
What about baby-faced rock stars? They don't just pull HB8's and 9's, they pull tens, for fuck's sake! International supermodels!
The ideas here are guides, not Gospel. The attributes being discussed are components that may add up to how certain males establish dominance. But the one thing that actually accomplishes the task is just that: dominance. You can go into a social situation and ...based upon nothing other than attitude... establish dominance. Just by the mere belief that you have it!
Look, without status and $$$ u relly on looks, ofc u don't need model tier but looking normal/manly is absolutely necesery for landing decently attractive women. If OP had my face he wouldn't get stares, that's for sure. Just getting roided buff isn't making you chad.
Justin Bieber always have had more female fans than Bruce Willis. Having beautiful cute face works as good (if not better) as having masculine face.
Teenage girls. I can't put a dick in dat.
Some of the subtleties you capture so well here are becoming day to day realities for me since I recovered from fuckarounditis. Especially the bitter betas (who I'm not that much better than, but just the fact that I was once at the same level as them but I've made a miniscule step ahead of them turns their stomach) and being checked out not-so-surreptitiously by girls who a while back wouldn't look at me twice. There is no way back now, it is too late. Despite your bleak conclusions I still feel compelled to see true female nature for myself in all its notoriety.
bro, you gotta stop hanging around unclassy women. You're letting them dictate your worldview way too much
I know this was posted a while ago, but yeah OP's problem is he's hanging with a certain group of people who don't care that they're using and hurting others, just as long as they get what they want. When you spend too much time around negative people, you start believing everyone is like that.
I really love reading your stuff, Heathcliff.
Yeah women have way too much power these days via the wide open sexual marketplace, degenerate morals that promote the worst in them, and go grrl oppression narratives that convince them all they’re great and have been held down forever.
There is a fucking reason women had a certain place in society in all high cultures in human history. And they must be shamed into monogamy or they will go nuts and run roughshod over civilization. Conquering their own women is like the first frontier of nature that rising, conquering men must handle. Hypergamy is very literally a force of nature. And it is one of the first they must master or they go nowhere as a civilization.
There is a reason women cheat on weaker men for chads with no shame. Schopenhauer identified this brilliantly in his essay On Women. Her ingrained biological entitlement to alpha seed has a much greater hold on her psyche than any weak societal programming to stay faithful. The societal programming must be extremely strong. That’s why “boyfriend” means nothing to them. That’s why marriage was a heavily culturally enforced historically. That’s why they stoned adultresses.
Anyway, your post highlights the black pill truth that contemporary women in the West are irrevocably corrupted and just have too much entitlement and power. I share your disgust to my core. Its a major symptom of and contributor to Kali Yuga (to match your Gita reference in the title).
Our society somehow decided to give up male dominance in exchange for state power it seems. I don't think men willingly decided to do it, so I think the higher powers of the world have duped us in order to have more control/power.
It is sad to see what has happened. Birth control pill I believe has a big role to play in it. Women didn't evolve to have casual sex 5 nights a week with new guys. It absolutely destroys their self-value and ability to pair bond. They are incapable of good relationships and after a certain point categorize men into ATM's and good-looking guys that fuck them and leave.
Overindulging in sex isn't worth it and boring because you realized that your true value has nothing to do with how many women you fuck. I disagree with you that all women aren't faithful to their boyfriends. Marriage certainly doesn't work but LTR's over the span of a few years can be beneficial. While it is likely that they will all cheat eventually even if you stay on your game, you can go into the relationship having accepted that and just be ready to walk away when the time comes.
Look up sperm wars. They did evolve to be whores.
You'll likely never know when the time comes
I meant when you are done w the relationship, not when the girl cheats. Every relationship has an expiration date. I agree with your point that you most likely will not know when a girl cheats.
People have different types of libido, for some guys sex are very important even if they don't connect it to their "true value" and for others they don't enjoy sex by itself, only doing it for orgasm and validation. Though I understand how it can become boring after 10-20 years of overindulging.
Again???? What the hell makes you think we ever had monogamy?
Women are women. Wasn't any different in the 1950's, they just pretended harder.
It was absolutely different in the 50s. Women were still women, but there were massive social, legal, religious, and logistical barriers to cheating that simply do not exist anymore.
Socially, communities were much tighter and getting caught would mean ostracization, a fate that most of us don’t understand because we already live pretty socially isolated lives (biggest reason for modern depression, but I digress), and shame - which has been altogether banished from our society. Actually, we still do have shame for some things. Think what would happen to you today if someone at work heard you say the N word. That’s the equivalent life destruction for cheating back then.
Legally, marriage was a contract that was taken very seriously. Divorce required cause, and adultery was one of them. A woman caught cheating could be divorced and left destitute. Good luck finding a husband when you’ve already been divorced for adultery. A life of manual labor and lonliness now awaits you.
Logistically, there was no internet. Your wife/gf would not go out drinking all night with male “friends.” There was no texting - people would have to call each other’s houses or have other ways to link up. Notice that common cheating caricatures were the milkman, the mailman, and a neighbor - basically the few men that might have access to your wife without you being there that would not raise eyebrows.
Finally, religion/morality was much more prevalent. Sure many people, maybe even most, didn’t care, but a large portion of the population took this very seriously and it would have moderated their behavior.
True... I doubt this kept them faithful, but it will have put a major dampener on her excesses.
I remember the transition from "divorce is shameful" to "all men are pigs, divorcerape them immediately". Took about 20 years to complete.
Very true.
Fiction. Every age is exactly the same. Humans are humans. We may have changed the channels in how we discuss this but back in the day, your grandma was banging the mail man. Sorry.
I literally just posted "Honey, why does junior look like the milk man?!" in a comment above. Spot on, my man.
Not true, in the 1950's shaming was much more socially acceptable.
You can't shame anyone anymore in today's society, because everyone's "special" and "unique" and have egos which are too sensitive for any insult.
Shaming doesn't really fix anything, it just makes women be more secretive.
It increases the difficulty of having an affair. Many women are lazy enough for the increased difficulty to decrease the likelihood of the affair, even though they would otherwise. Plus with increased punishment for cheating, the benefits often cease to outweight the risk*cost of failure.
Watch the movie Diner. I know its a movie, and I do agree that the shaming was more effective then (like the n counts now a days I would bet are astronomical compared to what they used to be), but still gives you an idea of how even then women were women.
It was way different. Numbers don't lie. Look at average age of marriage, fidelity rates, and numbers of sexual partners.
Apart from the age of marriage, I'm skeptical about the self-reported numbers.
I'm with you. Mailmen, milkmen and door-to-door salesmen had their share of pussy back then.
they are a cliché for a reason.
Exactly.
Women haven't changed, no, but society has. People have moved to cities and been bombarded by cultural degeneracy from every angle.
Large cities are a major part of the degeneracy because of the Dunbar number. Spot on.
I’m sure it was different tho. The notch counts and promiscuity are thru the roof now. Back then it was held in check somewhat. Yes there was a veneer hiding some bad behavior. But I bet that bad behavior was a fraction of what it is today.
Exactly. Forced monogamy is a band-aid solution. It doesn't change the underlying issue of women disliking beta traits.
And yet they marry them, time after time after time. Bit of duty sex, pretend it's "true love", and exploit him for the rest of his life.
I've stopped asking "why can't they just be honest" because I know the answer to that too.
Then again, women actually are pretty honest once you have established that monogamy is something that will never apply to you. Without the mealticket written across your forehead she has no motivation to lie.
Yep that’s how I learnt how common it is for young women to keep sugar daddies
Yeah and there wasnt social media to show off your “boyfriend” but she was def fucking the neighbor while the husband was at the office
Monogamy didn't existed in the 50's, otherwise media like those would never exist:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ku0rfx5EL0A - Girl that fucks everyone in order to be popular
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ID-jsd0HGZs -Run around Sue
That read more like wishfulness for everyone to stop encouraging women to break their pair bonding ability down by losing their virginity and get rid of societal safeguards for emotional decision making. That women and men aren't monogamous is not the same as women and men being forced into maintaining monogamous relationships. Nurture works to a degree. In N America it works to make men weak and women ugly, it can also work towards making men strong and women pretty. Sparta as an easy example for the one. Modern Japan as an example for the other where cultural fat shaming keeps women thin and American women start losing weight soon after showing up.
After my grandpa died, my grandma opened up about how life was like when she was young (born in 1924). Even at the ripe age of 90 years old, she started talking to her grandchildred about love, sex, and everything else that wasn't supposed to happen before she got married. She definitely confirmed that only one thing was different back then: they just pretended harder (mostly because that's what the bible told her was the right thing to do)
Not at all. In the 1950's compared to today, monogamy was extremely the norm. If you had high partner count you'd be slutshamed to the extreme. By all your friends (important one here) and your family. If you cheated it was basically exile from all friends+family also. A woman was supposed to be loyal to only one guy at one time. If you dated, that one guy was all you ever saw.
Nowadays feminism has brought women to be OKAY with going with multiple guys, fucking 100's of chads, and then marrying before they hit the wall. NO shame. None of that. Culturally acceptable to ride the CC. Women nowadays even insist they MUST ride the CC to get most out of their younger years.
Yea man you can not go against human nature no mater in what time you live
I refuse to believe you were ever a legit '3'. Congrats on improving yourself though
A 6'0 skinny dweeb with long hair is easily a 3.
Lol I’m still trying to rock the grunge/road man hybrid.
Don’t you guys get tired of reading the same story over and over
I had a similar experience in my early twenties. The come up is an interesting time. Don't get too caught up in hating women, focus on your mission and self actualization. Until you're interested in settling down, enjoy them as a pass time. I've been fortunate enough to have had some awesome relationships with great women, it's definitely added to the overall quality of my life. People talking about divorce rape sometimes fail to understand that in 2018 young, successful, good looking men can have ltrs and even marriages with women who are not only good looking but also make a good amount of money. You just need to make slightly more and be slightly higher in SMV in my experience.
I think you totally understand the concept of assuming attraction, that shit works. Do try to keep your ego a healthy size as you continue to build yourself. Not saying you shouldn't have a big ego, just try your best to empathize with the people you encounter.
Also I'm no gender studies major, but you should chill out with the homophobic slurs it's not a great look.
Great comment until you ruined it with your moralizing.
Lol...i think his homophobic slurs added an element of authenticity. He talks how many of us talk haha
Fuuuck dude. It’s like Stephen King describing trp. Maybe one of the best reads of my life.
TBH dude, if you weren't so committed to a mockery of interpersonal relations you might actually be able to find a path that suits your ability to discern the world around you. Let me correct that; if you didn't think that the path you were on was the only good path for having a command of the world, you might actually find something that makes you happy.
Great post. Thanks for sharing.
Serious question (curious, not "triggered" or w/e) : Why are they whores but you're not when you're having the same sexual experiences that you are judging them for?
Anyway, good post. Well written.
You became attractive 2 years ago, but women are liking your pictures from 4 years ago when you were a 3. Ok.
this story is either fake or the person who wrote it has a very distorted perception of reality. People (both men and women) overestimate their looks and they absolutely believe anyone who happens to quickly glance at them wants to fuck them. Pathetic.
That sounds...
A personal sub you say...
Ah...and you gymcels are buying this shit. Srsly.
I know you are TRP endorsed, and that you have been here a long time, but can you link to some sort of proof that you back all of these claims up? I just want to know that you aren't spouting complete BS.
Imagine enabling our degenerate culture by being a male slut and fucking anything that has lips and think of yourself as a virtuous person, and not just a manwhore.
I can’t tell if Heath’s posts are stories he writes or real life, but I like them either way. Very insightful.
I dont even care. Thumps up for Oppenheimer quote.
Damn I was not ready for this today but it’s just the kick that I needed to keep going. Thanks op.
Missing two things, contents page and annotated bibliography.
Don't be weird. When we were pre-teens, we would stare at beautiful women too. There's nothing gross about it. If your thoughts go anywhere beyond thinking it's adorable, then you're making way too much of it.
Exactly, I remember the French teacher when in school, giggidy... and your under-developed brain tends to be less critical of obvious flaws so you think adults are better looking than they really are. And children haven't developed the adult women trick of hiding their gawking as well.
My view on this is that the society as a whole: the poor and the rich, the middle class, both men and women, the adults and the elderly, all are responsible for what is now.
See, in this sentence you prove that YOU are responsible for this revelation as well. The moment you judge someone for his nature, he/she is going to learn how to hide it well. The moment your friend(s) and family pick up on the shaming, he/she is going to learn how to hide it very well. The moment friends of friends and other communities pick up on shaming, it's when the hiding of your nature becomes the norm.
That's why I advocate no slut shaming. To guys who do this: you're making it harder for yourself and for everyone else. Because now when you want to find a woman who is chill and low n-count, you have to go through hundreds of women who will appear to be like that because of shaming standards.
And damn you if you do find one. Then if she wants to become a slut, she's going to hide it from you. She's going to waste your time. Because she knows everyone's gonna judge her.
Now for everyone else, you slut shamers are making it everything worse because now everyone have to go through dumb ASD rules and whatnot. Coz for a woman, what if this guy is going to spread the word she's a whore? Now her fucking reputation is ruined.
I'm not defending women. It is what it is, amoral and just our nature. Everyone loves to fuck.
We brought it upon ourselves. We take part in it. We suffer the consequences.
Nope, because [http://www.blackdragonblog.com/2012/12/09/entire-monogamy-debate-summarized/(monogamy doesn't work.) You want to ignore human nature and believe enforcing something works. Guess what, it doesn't and hasn't worked ever. Every society, every rule that was against human nature not only failed (people were doing it anyway), but has also eventually been revoked. If something works, it works and the effects are seen very clearly. If something doesn't work, people either don't obey it or eventually get fed up with it and change it (like with monogamy). This thought is Disney. If you want sex not to be a big deal at all, then monogamy is the reaction to exact opposite thinking. Are you saying that you want to enforce people to fuck only one person their whole life and your reason is "sex isn't a big fucking deal at all"? Please. That's delusional.
Competently written fiction.
I fucked a girl who brought me into the ladies toilet in a bar without even speaking to her. Fiction?
congrats, you found a slut
whether she is slut or not, the point is, not fiction, and nothing I read in OP post I thought was far-fetched or fiction either. From my experience, all is reality of my last 20 years. Why do you think OP post is fiction?
Just my opinion. Calling BS, that's all.
Ok, well just in case you believe any of that could not possibly have happened in real life to some men, I can assure you, it does.
Strange things happen. Once I had two girls plop into my bed in the middle of the night. I eventually banged 'em both, just not that night. One was mediocre, the other was a terrible experience (we were both drunk). But the OP's account is just not believable. Nicely written, though!
Good read, this post verbalizes what "exactly" the anger phase is that we all go thru.
It sucks that we all have to experience first hand how women can't be loyal, but that's just part of growing up and taking the RP, similar to learning Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny never existed.
This hits close to home.
I have said for years - there are two exits from being a plate-spinning Red Pill Man:
(Partial) Beta Reversion, though admittedly they'll just wife up a hotter broad than they would have before TRP; or
MGTOW, which thoroughly disproves the ridiculous premise that all MGTOW are incels.
You are the captain of your ship, which has set sail to conquer a voyage on your purpose in life, when you encounter a siren trying to sway your ship into the dangerous pass, will you allow your ship To deviate from its true course? Will your purpose and mission be sacrificed for the lesser, impulsive, Good? If so, what consequences are you ready to bear due to this deviation? You are a man on a mission and through trials and tribulations will your strength be tested? Will this siren break you or can you stay the course and not be swayed by its intentions? This is a test of your strength. Maybe you have deviated and found yourself in peril? Can you escape this travesty? Can you embolden your ship and crew and sail through the treacherous pass and gain strength from your loss? Or will your ship remain broken on the rocks of abandon? This is a test for you, for your dignity and strength in life. Be swept away though falsehoods and fantasy or face reality and burden the strength to carry forward your mission and grow ever stronger to escape the call of the siren.
Read your whole write up.
I find it extremely hard to believe though. Especially as I am so red pilled. I think you gotta change the types of girls you after man.
All the girls I’m friends are immediately repulsed by cheating. I can honestly feel their vaginas dry up at the mention of it.
There are girls that are heartless like you say, but where primarily are you meeting these girls? Meet girls in places that actually prove they have some real values.
Meet girls in clubbing, festivals, etc. they have terrible values. They are there for a reason. That’s the truth.
Meet girls clubs that better themselves like book clubs and stuff and you will find a quality gal.
TLDR; you are messing with the wrong girls SRS.
EDIT: Some girls actually live with you based entirely on your status once you lose it, she’s gone for good.
There is another camp of girls that stay with you even if you are in deadbeat situation. Look at Connor Mcgregor’s wife or any spouse that supports a man with actual ambition even if they haven’t succeeded yet.
Finally I found it. I've wanted to articulate that for the longest time.
I laugh when guys say their girl dumped them when they "fell in love" at a club. Oh no, a thot broke your heart :(. I'd be looking at the bookstore or some other place that isnt tainted with the stench of fish and promiscuity for a more intimate relationship.
Post a before and after pic and i’ll Believe you.
"It's been a year at this point and I can finally squat my bodyweight for 5x5"
Stopped reading there.
Lol it’s a good post overall, you should finish reading it— but yeah I read that part and thought what a puss
Let me fix it.
"It's been one week on starting strength and i can finally squat my weight 3x5."
Yeah i didnt really understand that. I started 5x5 at bodyweight
Lmao MeToo.
I remember the first time I hit legs, I just put on one plate on each side and squatted it for reps
Have an upvote for quoting bhagwad gita
what type of food do you eat to actually get gains to show in addition to working out? I cut down on fast food to once a week. I eat grapes or granola bars as snacks and I always have kiwi, toast, or eggs + coffee for breakfast.
When I cut out sugar I actually lost a little weight but almost immediately my gym bros were complementing me on new gains, take that for what it's worth.
Sounds like your body was drawing on your fat reserves to make up for the sudden lack of sugar, resulting in weightloss with lower body fat % making you seem more toned.
yep, ketosis
Meat, whole eggs, white rice, potatoes, pasta, lots of fruit and veggies. Aim for at least body weight (in lbs.) x 15 for daily calories. Protein should be 30-40% of your calories. The remaining 60-70% is split between carbs and fat. On days you lift, try to get more calories from carbs than fat. On days you don't lift, try to get more calories from fat than carbs. One day a week, eat 500-1000 more calories than you normally would.
It's way more complicated, but this should be enough to get you started. Pay attention to your body and how it responds, and figure it out. Good luck!
Good advice, but why the one day of 1000 calories more? Why not ~100cal more each day?
Sure, that could work too. I look at calories weekly rather than daily. The cheat day helps make sure I'm hitting caloric surplus when daily calories are averaged over a 7 day period. There's lots of different ways to make gainz, everyone has to figure out what works best for them individually.
And where does 150g of protein come from?
150g of protein is about a pound and a half of lean meat. Or, two dozen whole XL eggs. Proten shakes as well.
Cut the fast food to ZERO a week, jeezus Christ, find your pleasure elsewhere
The only thing that matter is total calories and maybe protein, but mostly if cutting. 1 gram per pound is optimal. Whole milk is great if if you need to gain weight. Count calories. It really speeds up your progress.
All you come off as here is pathetic. Stop looking for meaning in debauchery and start going to a traditional Catholic Mass. Otherwise you have no right to bitch, because you achieved what you sought.
Great post, man. I can tell that you’re a real fucking G and we would be bros IRL.
You still have a recessed chin and boyish features though, unless you grew a beard I cant see how you can be more than 7/10
I agree with you. Even if this is not Lookism, I feel the need to say that to be a 9/10 a strong jaw and chin is a must. Also it’s impossible to go from 3/10 to a 9/10. If you are a 3/10 it means you’re not genetically gifted, therefore you can reach a maximum of about 6/10 if you looksmax completely
That’s a long ass post bruh. Just keep some Day after pills in your wallet.
Why are you so invested in women? You should be fucking pleased with yourself. Red pill teaches us that u are the Prince and the prize and you should focus on you and how to make your life even better. The world is in no decline what kind of mindset is that, you live in abundance western world and you are complaining about girls cmon who gives a fuck abiut them man live your life be happy if you are satisfied with yourself girl wont cheat on you (awalt is always here they can cheat but so can you doesnt mean they will). Yea getting a haircut doesnt raise your smv. Dont be frustrated chump because of women, thats how you were at the begining, they are a place to rest ..
This is great stuff.
I gotta ask man, idk if I'll get a reply but
The reason I ask is because my whole life I've been (unhealthily, most likely) basically obsessed with "the game" and how I can advance "social tiers" so I can get the affection of 9s and 10s. Truly. Obsessed. Not just for the girls but just to have a good life. Since about...14 I've been obsessed with how good life is for the good-looking members of this planet, how they have more money on average, get the hottest girls, swathes of people just bow to their presence and I'm not bitter, I'm not here to complain but I am here to work and manipulate. but I'm more observant of that fact and I want to use that knowledge to my advantage. I've done the whole "testosterone diet" taken zinc, vitamin D, lifting, sleep schedules social life whatever I've tried it all just to be more...of a man. I'm fairly new to this sub so I don't know what kind of replies I'll get (I can imagine some saying "forget girls and do you" or giving me the standard "start being confident and working on appearance" advice) or what the whole philosophy is, but I truly want a good looking woman. So i want your opinion, is this a bad thing? Should I just kill the desire and do me or what?
Seriously dude? Life is more than looks and women. Women can be a great supplement to a healthy life but women shouldn't be the end goal. Your putting women on this pedestal acting like they shit gold. Their real people, just like you and me and they don't just jump into your bed because of how many pshycoligically manipulating conversations you can memorize. Women see right through your bullshit. Instead, build a life for yourself, aspire for a better job, spend time on finding and cultivating hobbies. If you meet a woman or women along the way then good for you. Just saying, guys that actually get girls aren't obsessed with "game" and trying to fuck every girl they meet. That shit is goofy and reeks of desperation.
Is this all real and what you really believe or is this written as a kind of satirical get off your ass and improve your life type story? (like a bible parable or something?)
One year into the redpill and yet.. so much to learn.
The part about self-improvement is EXACTLY me. Just that I recently started lifting.
Well done mate.
What's funny to me is all the guys on here saying this is bullshit and this guy has a high opinion of himself.
I am in the top 20%, I hit the genetic lottery in the looks department and I can tell you this is 100% true.
It's very true, when I started I was a solid 3 too and over time I have been working on my attractiveness and I can confidently say I am about a 6 or 7 now and still working. I've noticed how girls change their attitude towards me, I've had 2 girls ask me out which was unheard of when I was that 3
You'll grow out of this feeling of resistance. Women have always been this way, since our species started walking upright. Nothing changes. It's not that I am a nihilist loser faggot (that word is not a good intellectual choice). It's that I'm smart enough to realize that this is the way it's supposed to be; the way it's always been. Any other kind of forces used to eliminate women's true nature were futile and bound to fail.
Better to put your efforts elsewhere and treat them like fuck toys. Trust me when I say this. There's a lot of money for you to make. A lot of travel and experiences and hobbies and growth outside of pussy. You don't need to save the world, because the world is exactly how it was supposed to be. You just need to find other things in life to bring meaning to your existence, and let the pussy be the accessory that it was always meant to be.
This is sad. When I read this, I still hear the insecure boy that you claimed to be so long ago shining through bright as day. You have based your whole life on getting girls, you don't think that maybe this objective has biased your outlook? Do you not think that maybe a girl is smiling at you to be nice? Do they all just want to fuck you? Drop the act, grow up. Call me a beta, call me a cuck, it doesn't change a thing. This is a toxic outlook on life that you have only created for yourself.
Ridiculously long and drawn out. Don’t be so dramatic. Man up and do what you need to do. The end.
This reads extremely fake lmao
This is a "woe is me" humble brag because "women find me attractive and I have a lot of sex". It reads like a creative writing exercise. I call bullshit on you being a 3 and looks maxing to "chad".
Uh huh. The problem?
I thought I could expect some factual integrity but I guess I'm wrong, this being the internet and all. It's like gonewildstories but depressing as hell.
Bro thinks he squats his body weight (80kg?) and is now a thicc pussy slayer.
Oh look. A pathetic excuse for a person who started working out. Good for you. Maybe work on your attitude towards other human beings as well? Jesus. This was a terrifying read.
he writes the most neckbeard jack off fantasies in this sub. wouldn't be surprised at all if he was an incel and an actual neckbeard.
You know how when you're lifting, if you avoid the pain you won't get anywhere? But if you just accept it, then you can get over it and move forward to accomplish something.
It's the same here. You're feeling pain because you're in conflict about how the world isn't as you want it to be.
Sometimes I hate women, and sometimes I still wish a blue-pill fantasy was possible. You don't just cleanly transition out of the anger phase forever. But there are also times when I just accept things as they are, and those are the times when I'm at peace and I can think clearly about what I want out of life.
You wanted women, now you've got them, and now you hate them. So what comes after women then? What do you want out of life dude? You don't owe any of us an answer, but it's important to think about for yourself.
Reading Stoic philosophy has done me a lot of good. You should check it out.
Didn't know this sub was for fan-fiction.
I understand the urge to deplore the status quo. I somewhat admire the desire to rail against it. I vaguely sympathize with the impulse to castigate the independent operators who embrace the 'decline'.
That said, like Thanos and Stark we are all cursed with knowledge and this knowledge is dark and unfathomable... if we don't make our peace with it on some level - however temporary - well, let's just say that paralyzing cognitive dissonance is the new best case scenario.
Do you want to be black pilled into oblivion? Do you want to feel the burning bile rise in the back of your throat when you look at your sister or (heaven forbid) your mother?
The only viable coping mechanism I have found is to keep an open mind (and to purge it of wishful thinking). Will you meet the girl who breaks the mold? Unlikely. Is the next plate the exception that proves the rule? Probably fucking not... but the exception(s) is/are out there, gents...
Nature abhors a vacuum, but it adores a mutation.
Some Chads are born, others are built by hard work.
Somewhere out there, there is a solid 8.5 who might, just maybe, manage to see the light and pull up before she slams into the wall at warp speed. Maybe she'll be yours. Maybe one of her friends will see her example and escape the same fate - then there are two of them.
We have to admit that we would all dearly love to be proven wrong, BUT we have to stop just short of expecting it. That is the only discipline that counts in the end.
Someone has to win the lottery... why not you?
Lmao "Eagerly tongue swirl your asshole while you browse Reddit" did Andrew Dice Clay write this??
First I’ll say this was an entertaining read, and I agree with some of what you’ve said in terms of alpha behavior and attitude affecting women and women’s particular tendencies and whatnot.
However the extreme amount of energy you put into this post, only to conclude with “all women are whores” indicates that you probably have severe mommy issues that you are projecting onto your experience of engaging with females. Regardless of if you agree that’s the reason why, you must be in lots of pain to work on such a long and thought out post, and for this reason I feel sorry for you.
The double standard is incredible however, whoring yourself only to hate on other whores. You are eating yourself here and that is a sick imbalance. Not to mention the dysfunction a belief such as “all women are whores” must have in your social circles, e.g., mother/sisters/grandmothers, female friends, coworkers, etc. I would not want to be your sister that’s for damn sure. Maybe you’ve burnt all your bridges with women, maybe they burned prior and contributed to your female hatred. Either way there’s lots of imbalance and I’m sorry to see that, you can’t go back to Ancient Greece but perhaps you can move to Saudi Arabia.
I would recommend seeing a therapist to sort out your beliefs, I cannot believe in a healthy person who vehemently generalizes and degrades half the human population, and you deserve health.
I don't know where I am with TRP I come in and out of it but to play devils advocate do you ever think that you run into these girls because thats who you're chasing? I do think its important in a relationship to be the man (heavily Patrice O Neal influence) but at the same time I feel like I'm beating the personality out of her. This probably doesn't belong here but you seem more reasoned OP. Am I wrong and if so why?
Good read. Fictional or not I don't really give a shit. Enjoyed it all the same
One of the greatest things I've read here in awhile man, thank you for taking the time to type all of it out. I'm with you on the "enjoy the decline" thing. I'm sick of bystanders, I'm sick of being one. I'm gonna work my tail off to enter the world you speak of. I want to see the truth, to understand how things really are. When it's all said & done, I want to enjoy life with my fellow brothers in a new way, free from chasing the carrot that's been dangled in front of me for years. This is a little romanticized, but it's what will drive me until I reach the finish line.
bro, I wish I knew this shit 20 years ago when I was 18. Fuck. I swallowed the pill way too late in my life!
exactly. i missed 20 years also.
If you are tall you are at least a 5. A 6 if skinny instead of fat.
Dude. I know. It's becoming really tough for me. It's nice to have pussy around but again what I'm finding I'm finding really tough is "connecting" with these women. I don't find a lot of them fun because I just can't get excited about them anymore. When you've fucked enough married women, girls with boy friends, done shit you wouldn't expect from "nice" girls, it's evident in my face, it's like I'm overly cold or something, I don't know.
I've got unreal male friends, people I've met from all over the world through travels who are more than eager to converse with me but I'm finding it harder and harder with women. I need to start faking it more, talk about movies, celebrities, people in the room who look bad, shit like that.
In my mid/late 20s I would be surprised if I didn't sleep with a girl on the first date and now it's the opposite.
Like you, I started having a lot of sex at some point. I must have slept with well over 200 women by now. I regard sex as on the same level as taking a shit; just a natural bodily function that I have to take care of. It's that banal.
Thanks for the good post. It's shit like this that actually means something to this community. The number of shit posts on here dilute the meaning of red pill, but to me this post actualizes the ideologies I follow this Reddit for. These are the posts that remind me that TRP isn't about just fucking girls. Yeah, it helps, but the end goal is to achieve your own personal best. The ones here just to pull girls are missing the entire point, it's about the journey, and how you grow as a person, with the women being the reward at the end. Grow the fuck up.
Why would u move out of a strength routine when you can only squat 5x5 BW? Whats your BW?
Amazing post OP. Never a truer word spoken from start to finish.
can anybody post an aesthetic program for the gym
a friend was kissed by a girl that had a bf, it seem ok to me him and her
Complaining about nature of things doesn't resolve much, it's how all works
The hairwash thing caught my eye, I fairly recently realised how stupid it was of me to wash my hair daily with shampoo for years on end.
Lads, try washing your hair only once a week with soap. I wash my hair with plain water daily, and wash with soap once every 5-9 days. It's awesome. Your hair feels natural, no need for gel. It sticks the way you want it to, and not in a greasy, disgusting way. It's always strong and lively. I never read anything about it, just thought "what if," and tried it out. It works really well for me, feels natural.
This is the best post I've read here. Thanks.
well, this motivates me to get my diet in check I want to see this for real. I know you hate the way it is but I have to experience the real world outside this matrix. Here I go lifting some more!
I honestly think this is sidebar material or should at least be a good motivator for lifting and fashion. Increase that SMV and see the real world. TY OP i have red this twice by now.
This story rings true to me, speaks to my experiences.
The only difference is it took me 10 years to go from a 3 to a 9.
How old have you been at that time?
Fuck this is hilarious. I feel like i'm reading about my life. Welcome bud, you earned it. However if girls are giving you bitchy attitude, you mentioned 8's and above doing this, there is still something wrong. Whether it's with them or you is situational or hard to tell. I think a little amused mastery could go a long way for you. I'm not sure you have to fake it that much either, you're approaching mastery. Please, try and find it amusing. I know it can be scary, and weird sometimes, annoying other times. But try and be amused. Try and find the humor in all this.
You sound like one of them!
Congratulations on reaching your full potential. I doubt you were 3; you just had low self esteem. I can conclude this from:
So enjoying the decline is for nihilistic pussies, what exactly is your plan to enforce monogamy?
The major takeaway I get from this-- men need to stick together. We have to look out for each other. Because women never will.
Great op, you really broke down what it is to be a chad for a newbie.
Btw, if you looked like Justin Bieber you were not a 3. Justin Bieber is a pretty boy and pretty boys are attractive to women
I am gonna save this and read this everytime I get oneitis. I think it just cured me of my oneitis. Thanks for the information brother.
Deeper in the rabbit hole I go..
Interesting experience. Thanks for sharing.
Then you readjust your expectations of women and stop hating them.
I knew it. OP's post is gold. This is borderline red/black pilled truth right here. I'm so angry right now. At the world. At my self, for believing in the lies. In my past I once intended to live my life entirely in escapism, I couldn't comprehend the world as the truths kept crashing down on me. But now, I'm filled with so much anger, I hate human social dynamics, I hate so much things about reality. But fuck it, its my turn to reign on top, what ever it takes. Balance is a lie.
"Secrets kept our weapons wasted." - Zed
Probably the best part in the entire thing. Fuck man.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjV8SHjHvHk
Not sure it's actually possible to improve your physical appearance as an adult more than 3 points without surgery but I have to say I'd be fascinated to see the before and after pics. Obviously for the sake of anonymity, don't, but nonetheless a 3 to an 8 sounds like a hell of a jump. I experienced the same thing but my facial aesthetics weren't the problem, my height was. I went from 4'11 to 5'10 in a year. The difference in the way women interacted with me was astounding and served as a precursor to my red-pilling. I was basically the shortest kid in school until I was about 15-16 and the fact that I grew so fast really made for an enlightening experience.
Thanks for sharing. From a freshly unplugged red piller, my eyes hurt.
I feel your pain. I would like to say I have some answers for you, or that I can say something to give you a different perspective, but I don't think I can. I'm older and married, took the pill way later than you, but have pretty much come up with the same conclusions. The only good thing I can say is that as a woman ages, she's not subject to the same amount of interest, both by others and to others, but AWALT is still the law, and hypergamy never stops. I was not as low as you on the scale to start, and I didn't hit as high as you once I unplugged, but my results and conclusions are much the same, just not on as wide as scale. Because I'm older, and tend to be around more older married couples, the number of married women willing to cheat just stunned me, and was heartbreaking to me. The wife who cuts her husband down with an insult in my presence, showing interest in me started making me wince, and I started hiding the alpha traits that took me so much work to cultivate. I found myself in a catch 22, crank up my own selfishness, dominance to other men, and "jerkiness", drives up attraction from women, only then I become less attracted to them for being attracted to that kind of behavior from a man.
I'm still coming to grips with it some days. I don't get angry any more, other than at god, because it's kind of like getting angry at fish for not being able to walk on land. Wish I could offer more, but if it helps any you are not alone.
Wow... you are not alone with your thoughts.
This was a scary, frightening, interesting read for me - amazing post. Reason is, I don't have much confidence so not much success with women... but everything you said you experienced regarding attention from women, teens, pre-teens.... I have experienced that and more all my life... and I have never gone to gym in my life. I just thought it was normal and every guy gets this from them. Do gangs of teens not all stop talking and stare for a few seconds when you get on a bus? Do you not notice them walking slowly past you holding iPhone steadily and camera pointing in your direction like they are sneakily recording? Am I just imagining things? I can never tell. Problem for me is, because I don't have much confidence in myself, I don't take advantage of all this attention (or imagined attention, still don't know). Girls literally offer on a plate and I pretend to not see it or turn them down. Like you I have many experiences of seeing how they treat their beta chump like dirt and go after me. I literally can't imagine how much better my life would be if I could actually change the things I hate and that gives me low self confidence. But I'm middle aged now so probably not much chance of that now.
Holy damn crap, this was an entertaining read and it made me realize that i need to start fixing my posture.
u/Heathcliff-- do you feel love? It was such a driving force in my life and I feel like it's something i need to let go of because i can never see it reciprocated. The most surreal thing I've ever experienced was when an old ex told me she never loved me. She straight up lied and i didn't know people could lie about that, but much more importantly, she saw nothing wrong with it.
Amazing how much this reflects my own experiences.
I saw, I conquered, I came
fam has it ever occurred to you that maybe these are just the type of women you attract? when these women are looking at you and giving you all sorts of attention im sure there are others that don't give a shit. i agree there are plenty of 'whores' out there, but there are plenty of real ladies too.
Read all your post, quite an interesting read, but it made me realize we live in very different worlds.
Here's some food for thought: do you think that if you stayed ugly, found a woman to like and love you for who you are, you would have been happier than you are now?
I don’t think this guy is full of shit at all.
I can relate completely to his anger and disdain to this behavior from women.
It drains your energy and enthusiasm for relationships when you realize that you HAVE to act this way, treat women this way...even when you are a good dude and don’t want to.
"“enjoy the decline” is for hedonistic, nihilist losers, faggots who assume they have no power in the world so just fucking give up trying to change it."
THANK YOU. This is seriously the most beta shit a person can say. I don't think you guys realize how motherfucking faggy you look when you just submit like that. It's a man's duty to lead women to betterment, so try doing that instead of turning them into jizzrags and then complaining that all women are jizzrags
I've found ugly to average girls are nice around me... very nice infact. But yeah attractive girls... when i meet them its like they assume i want to fuck them? Or there is this kind of bitchiness about them. Not all though. A hot girl today looked at me 20 yards away and touched her hair looking down... walked by me and tried to get eye contact and then when she realized i was blanking her put her head down and walked off... sick of girls just doing this kind of shit probably for attention. Do girls do that or am i being a twat? Probably am. I don't lift though, looks wise i seem to be given 7/10... so not invisible.. (i've gotten smiles and shy looks on trains)... sometimes nothing, some average girls will ignore me then 2 quite attractive girls will be staring at me.
Thing is i don't really want to lift.. i hate the idea of lifting weights just to get women, I've been doing kickboxing though which is fun.
Shit, this is like the epiphany Jerry has in the movie 'Jerry Macguire.' I really hope I can write a post like this one day.
Your entertaining style of writing does not compel us to believe everything you suggest is viable. Nice try though.
Remember there are exceptions (women who are not "whores"), and outside of this community they represent a fair amount of the population.
So no, not all women are whores. Like this community indicates that men do not start off as fuckboys, but encourage each other to try it.
It's amazing how obsessed young boys become with becoming the chad and revolve their lives around this community, which may be sabotaging their chances at love and romantic relationships because of their cynicism and pent up expectations.
So you're basically just an inferior me?
Victorian Twinks are sexy though.
answer is so easy, all in your minds.
evolution, induced by media, betaization of men induced by men getting little shits for a gram of vagina
He's right to be angry about the actions of these women. Being two-faced, belittling anyone they deem unattractive, just using people however they want. It's easy to then come to the conclusion that all women are like that. But just as many men play the same game.
You can't just lump everyone into the same box. And why shouldn't women be able to have multiple partners, just as men do? As long as they are honest and respectful about it. Which admittedly a lot of people aren't, hence cheating.
But I don't understand this thing where women are seen as these otherworldly strange creatures that cannot be understood. We're just human. I don't do what OP describes the women he's met do. But some women and men have lower morals and don't give a shit about how their actions affect others.
I know I'll be downvoted to hell being a woman on this sub lol. I've never really been here, but it's interesting to see different perspectives.
edit: also this whole rant post is pretty hilariously narcissistic. "I am now an 8"... and I hate all this alpha-beta mentality. FUCK why can't people just stop labeling and dehumanizing others? Ok I'll stop now.
aay, thanks m8 whenever people ask me why i am tall and skinny and why i do not work out i can send them this.
So women are fucked up because they shamelessly pursue sex? Isnt that what PUA is about, and what you in this story set out to do? This is just dumb, backwards BS. I didnt think this subreddit was pro-slut-shaming, but apparently not
You're a fucking asshole dude, enjoy the woman you deserve
... long, thick and gay... Haha
Just how you like cocks?
Stern but fair... It was just a funny way to describe hair. It made me laugh. Very gay of me I know. I will return to purgatory with the rest of the lurkers where I belong and consider much more carefully sharing my entertainment, Sir.
Age and experience is what you need now. You fell too quickly down the rabbit-hole and hit the truth at the bottom too hard.
Yes, the vast majority of women are like this. After living this way for a sufficient time you'll understand it's not society that made them this way, that it's not fair to hate them; this is their nature. A big part of our philosophy is learning to recognize that the world is the way it is, that you are a part of it, like it or not. You can accept it, which takes time and patience, or try to change it, which is most often fruitless and frustrating.
People say, "Don't hate them, just play the game." But that's not a helpful mindset for someone who's been playing for years. You're at the next stage of awareness, at which you should be telling yourself, "I may hate them because of what I've been conditioned up 'til now to believe is the right way to live, but this is not a game, this is life. This is the form that millions of years of evolution has wrought, and I need to find my place in it."
Also, it's at this stage that you've transcended (so to speak) the need for sex and external validation, which frees your mind to pursue new goals. Whether they're immense, lofty ideals with the potential to change humanity or small, personal victories, you can always find another one and work to achieve it without the distraction of the need for sex that plagues 95% of men. Self improvement is never finished.
That's the dissonance in your situation. You need to become attractive as a byproduct of doing what's good for you physically, mentally, and financially. Then you get girls as a byproduct of becoming attractive. Then you don't care how they act because it's a side effect, not your focus. You DGAF.
I know you know that shit. Just pointing out the obvious.
Do you know does lifting fix this eventually? I am at around 10-12% bodyfat and have been lifting for around the past 4 months and still have messed up neck and shoulders and pelvis even though I focus on my posture all the time. Will continueing to do planks and build muscle fix things eventually or will I need chiropractic adjustments?
I fixed it by forcing my hips forward every time I could remember to do it, and by sitting up straight. Now having the correct tilt is natural.
this was inspiring. how long did your transformation take?
I dunno, your anger phase shit makes you sound like a little bitch. You're young. That said, I don't doubt any of your accomplishments, you're further along than I am in attractiveness, and I'm envious in a good way. Thanks for the great write up. Edit, not spergy (not usually lol), and I have see the other side at times. It sucks. Just don't let it get you down... there's more to life.
Knowing does suck a little. I don't ever feel like I'll be able to trust a woman fully again and I keep picking up on behaviours that I would have missed before swallowing the pill.
That being said, I wouldn't swap this knowledge for going back to blue pill ever again. Knowing gives you such an advantage.
Solid read. I was getting bored near the middle and the length was sorta offputting but glad I read through it all.
But I cannot relate. And I do not know of anyone that does. Even successful guys I know do not have a strong misogynistic view like you do. They fuck women,but they love doing it. And the women love them.
Lastly, I enjoyed your climb to Chad-dom. Very good progression and you mentioned a lot of factors that made you good. Only thing missing was probably how many times you went out to game a week. Day game mostly? Night game? I felt you did most of your game in your classes or around campus. That and social circle game.