This is a quick one, but might prove helpful. Especially when courting young women, and those edging up to, but not at, their wall.

She sees a fit, hot girl people obviously find attractive. Not a starlet. Just a girl on the street. Does she:

  1. Acknowledge the girls hard work, fashion sense, etc, and compliment her appearance/insinuate that she should look morelije that?

Or

  1. Talk shit about how "lucky" the girl is to be fit and pretty, all the while bemoaning how she can't be?

If she does number one, she's likely owning her own shortcomings. Which means there's hope she'll work on what's she's owning. It's not a guarantee, but it's better than...

Her being a 2. That girl won't ever improve anything. Because she doesn't see attractiveness as something to be achieved through effort and knowledge. She sees it as a matter of luck, therefore excusing her lack of effort because, why bother, you have no control over whether others find you attractive.

It goes without saying, but...avoid the type 2. It's just a long, miserable slog through depression, insecurities and anger, with a girl who, if she does find some other guy who whispers platitudes after the Wall, will jump on it without hesitation.