Jordan Peterson just went full Red Pill on Joe Rogan Podcast (Talks about alfa fucks/beta bucks, sexual marketplace on college, incels, and other Red Pill theories)

letterboyink · 2018-07-03T22:51:14+00:00

Gets into it at about 28 minutes when he breaks down "the patriarchy" by comparing it to hierarchical structures and their inherent power due to competency

edit 1: 1:31:38 incels and hypergamy

edit 2: 1:44:00 gender pay gap

edit 3: 1:49:05 women in law firms

edit 4: 2:01:44 joe: "why are people so opposed to challenging social norms?"

edit 5: 2:07:31 Vice interview / make-up at work / sexual signals in the workplace / "no eye contact for more than 5 seconds = sexual harassment; netflix"

BillyRedRocks · 2018-07-03T22:24:22+00:00

Joe Rogan shat his pants as soon as he heard the word Hypergamy. At this rate there will never be a serious conversation about hypergamy on his podcast unless he somehow grows balls or he has trouble raising his daughters.

Gabberjacky · 2018-07-04T02:22:55+00:00

Having watched between 1:30:00 and 2hr mark, it's painfully clear to me that Rogan and JP are operating on vastly different intellectual levels. Not surprising, given that one is a podcast host and the other is an Ivy League trained psychologist with both practical clinical experience and academic accolades. At numerous points in the talk I found myself wanting to scream at Rogan "you dense motherfucker, let JP make his damn point!"... At least Rogan seemed like he legitimately wanted to have a constructive conversation rather than a so-what-you're-saying-is style witch hunt, and his frustrating ocassional derailing of the discussion with ridiculous hypotheticals seemed to come from geniune inability to fully grok JP's argument rather than malice.

That said, I'm grateful to Rogan for giving JP this platform to express his views and there are moments when Rogan is silent long enough for JP to drop some truly thought-provoking facts and arguments. Will definitely have to watch this in it's entirety at some point.

From a red pill perspective, what I took away from this talk is as follows: Enforced hypergamy would be ideal on a civilizational level, even if it restricted maximal sexual success for the ultra-competitive men JP mentioned who would dominate in a more polyamorous mileu. It's unlikely that we'll get back to the old-school patriarchal enforced monogamy model now that the radical feminist and sexual liberation (AKA unrestricted hypergamy) cats are out of the bag, so the best we can hope for is leveraging RP type knowledge of sexual dybamics to gradually shift the rules of the sexual marketplace so as to reign in the worst excesses of hypergamy.

Now I'm aware that many in the RP community are of the enjoy-the-decline school of thought. Personally, I plan on having children and could not morally justify that decision if I did not simultaneously strive to improve the condition of the world I would be bringing them into. Like JP mentions, the best conditions in which to raise successful children is without a doubt a stable, caring traditional nuclear family. These are the conditions I plan to create for my children as best I can within the limits of the current sexual and social environment. As much as some cynical red pillers might mock this approach, human civilization progresses only through the birthing and raising of future generations, the figurative passing of the baton. To me nihilism and hedonism are not viable options.

All that being said, of course I'm not advocating that we go out preaching the gospel of RP (rule #1) or laying pearls before swine. Get your own house in order (or your bed, as JP would say) before you try to change the world. But don't become so jaded by staring into the abyss of human malice and frailty that you forget that you CAN change the world, if only in your own small way.

goodbyehouse · 2018-07-03T21:22:02+00:00

Joe Rogan turned me onto a Ketogenic diet and Jujitsu as a work out. I lost 20kg(44lbs), started getting haircuts and beard trims sooner. I think by the end of the year I will have visible abs. With that comes confidence. My posture is better. Thanks Joe!

Vakleri · 2018-07-03T22:15:18+00:00

He also strongly advocates against red pill principals preferring monogamy and less meaningless sexual encounters. Everything I've seen of Peterson on suggests that yes he understands red pill theory but he doesn't necessarily agree that it is a good idea.

didiflex · 2018-07-03T21:15:26+00:00

What is solution? "enforced monogamy" or free market where alphas fux, beta bux

Right now we have hybrid system where betas buck women(IF they are lucky) that alphas used to fuck in their prime

FlamingAmmosexual · 2018-07-03T22:13:22+00:00

I listened to this yesterday and wish they would have gone more into it. It seems when Peterson brought up hypergamy Joe quickly changed the subject saying, "these are difficult things to talk about." Yeah and they need to be talked about.

I get what Peterson is saying but he didn't go far enough. He said he didn't want laws or government enforcement for monogamy. He mentioned his son and said if he cheated or left his wife he'd be disappointed and not want that. He'd encourage against that behavior and thinks society should as well. That's great in clearing that up. It's aimed at the wrong gender.

Women are the ones that divorce more. Women cheat as much, if not more depending on which study you read. Women are the ones getting knocked up by the "bad boy" and then using lower market men afterwards as an ATM. They clearly talked about it on the podcast but they danced around the subject as if they were talking about holocaust denial. Women are the ones with the upper hand in this power dynamic. Nobody wants to discuss it as they're too afraid.

Hell OKCupid confirmed it but deleted the study.

Peterson also mentioned hierarchies and we can't let them get unstable. We're there. The dominance hierarchy in marriage is given to the women. The system is correcting itself but feminism and society is trying to keep it to where men are at the bottom because of some conceived oppression.

Here's a great example. MGTOW, incels, and such are avoiding women or getting sexbots. That's the system correcting women going towards a small group of men. Problem? Society is trying to shame and even pass laws to keep these men from doing that. Why? Keep them at the bottom of the hierarchy they are trying to create.

Joe did have a point. Jeff Bezos is good at climbing the hierarchy. He worked hard and has made it to the top. It's also insanely richer than 99.999% of the planet. If we're going to leave that hierarchy alone but meddle with the sexual hierarchy isn't that hypocrisy?

I don't buy Peterson's premise that a small group of men, like those in the manosphere, working hard and having a lot of sexual partners is bad for children. That's not on the men. That's on the women and has been since the sexual revolution.

It's not men or the children's fault if their mom wants to slut around. Women have been encouraged to do this and some men have figured out if they put in the work they can be in be in the top 20% of males these women go after. The MGTOW, incels, and others that have all spawned out of this is like what we see with Occupy Wallstreet and capitalist systems. Some are fair criticisms and some are just crazy.

diogenes_dookie · 2018-07-04T05:47:38+00:00

Just heard this. Most mainstream discussion I have heard of Hypergamy and RP theory yet. Was surprised when Peterson mentioned the word, Rogan immediately knew.

slip_like_space · 2018-07-03T22:39:26+00:00

Out of all of his appearances on JRE, I think this is JP's most profound as far as RP truths. It gave me a new perspective on hypergamy in correlation to the dominance hierarchy.

3d_truth · 2018-07-03T23:10:23+00:00

Not sure about Joe Rogan he has a lot of feminist women on the show and agrees with them when they spout their piffle.

AwareSwimming · 2018-07-03T22:08:32+00:00

OHHH you beat me to posting about this!

Dr Jorden Peterson appeared on Joe Rogan again yesterday.

If you are not familiar with him, he was the professor for psychology at the university of Toronto and publicly opposed the compelled speech bill C16 and he wants everyone to get married.

I don’t see any issues with a lot of his ideas, except the monogamy narrative, so far I have seen him go unchallenged on these ideas and it was great to see Joe ask some hard questions before he moved away from the line of questioning by talking about virtue signalling (a subject he knows Joe will react too, take the bat and change the subject). Really interesting to see someone who is so into marriage wrestle with hypergamy LOL!.

JamesSkepp · 2018-07-04T07:10:09+00:00

I had suspected for a long time that both Joe Rogan and Jordan Peterson have deep knowledge of gender/sexual interactions from a Red Pill view.

One you stop idolizing both, you'll notice that besides talking about FEW basic RP truths, Rogan is completely BP dude. As for JBP, he knows RP theory, but his MO is closer to being a tradcon, not an alpha from TRP.

UPURS145 · 2018-07-04T02:12:58+00:00

The thing is that Jordan also talks about the virtues of monogamy as well as having a family which is not necessarily the ideas that are spread by many of you. Not that I disagree with many of things said on this sub but Jordan Peterson doesn't really believe in all of the Redpill ideology it may seem like it but in most of his talks he mentions on putting time on one person on one relationship. On this sub I see many people talking about balancing plates and being single and never being married. Jordan seems to be a person who is against that view. He also does state that focusing on yourself is also just as important though i.e. fix your room.

kingbraderz · 2018-07-03T22:43:44+00:00

What a coincidence I’m watching right now an hour in

shapman27 · 2018-07-04T07:20:25+00:00

holy shit this was the most interesting interview, I couldn't stop listening to everything jp was saying. i dont know why but it reminded me of hitler for some reason when he was talking about the leftist wanted equality and the pain behind it.

crespo_modesto · 2018-07-04T04:41:04+00:00

Hmm was reading/pronouncing that word wrong

Hyper-gum-e

NiceTryDisaster · 2018-07-04T12:48:29+00:00

A casual glance through the psychology subreddit top posts is like reading trp frontpage

ddiogenesofsinope · 2018-07-04T13:46:55+00:00

I loved this episode. Like him or hate him Peterson just has an insight into the pysche as a clinical psychologist that not many people get to see.

What helps is that he is intelligent so he can break down the ideas he gets from his practise, and really see what is going on, from the darkest perspective imaginable. He's been to the underworld a few times and we are really lucky he is sharing his insights with the world for free.

GayLubeOil · 2018-07-03T23:59:34+00:00

If Jordan Peterson is so "Red Pill" how come his household produce a Blue Haired Feminist daughter? Would really appreciate an explanation of that.

EdmondDaunts · 2018-07-04T07:14:45+00:00

As ever the solution is to contain the blast radius. You can’t stop hypergamy. In fact you could say it’s an essential part of human evolution.

The impact of it and the accommodation of it is what is getting us into trouble. And that is largely due to men agreeing to women’s demands. To appease women or to impress them. A variant pf Gad Saad’s Sneaky Fucker idea.

Yuken27 · 2018-07-04T12:58:15+00:00

rogan and peterson on gender pay gap - https://youtu.be/FbX0TFVuOH4

grandmasbroach · 2018-07-04T21:57:27+00:00

Enforced monogamy isn't what most people assume it to mean. It isn't like the government or a third party actually enforcing laws about it.

It speaks to societies as a whole. Where monogamy is the preferred way to mate and have offspring. The society or culture is enforcing monogamy through marriage and social pressures. I would say birth control pretty much killed that in the west.

Before, women more or less policed themselves when it came to slutting it up. They knew that a pregnancy without commitment was a death sentence back then. So, they put pressure on themselves to ensure monogamy as it had the best outcome for the woman and the children.

This doesn't even mention the idea of women gatekeeping sec and men gatekeeping commitment. Nowadays, and this is the really odd part to me. Since birth control became accessible to anyone who wanted. Women took away almost all of their bargaining power in relationships. Sex is easier to get than almost anytime in modern history now. If a guy is in a relationship, and this applies more to higher smv type men. If she isn't putting out on a regular basis, he'll just leave and or find it elsewhere.

This has created an odd happenstance where men hold almost all of the power in a relationship, if he chooses to wield it. That's why I say it refers more to high smv men, and even more so to high smv red pill aware men. Betas will be oblivious for the most part, and would have given up that power regardless. Women don't want commitment from them anyways. Those are the left over, she needs to find a stable guy to raise Chad's kids now, type of men. She'd rather have Chad's commitment any day, and is why we have the term alpha widowed.

Anyways, women have lost an immense amount of power on relationships. However, they have gained it legally, and often divorce rape men. This is why you shouldn't marry. You will lose that bargaining power you previously had.

I just think it is funny as hell and beyond ironic that feminism has accidently created a scenario where women have almost zero power in a relationship, if the guy chooses to wield it. Now we have marriage and birth rates diving off a cliff, and women asking where all the good men went.

AllTheDevilsAreHere_ · 2018-07-04T02:40:10+00:00

To say he went "full Red Pill" is an exaggeration. Sure, he mentions concepts like hypergamy in the interview, but the problem with Peterson is that he wants to stuff Red Pill truths within his TradCon and Blue Pill belief systems by any means necessary.

Some of these reactions here remind me of those cringe-worthy questions audience members ask in debates where they're trying to signal how devoted they are to a particular group. If you've ever listened to some of Sam Harris' live shows, there's always one person who asks something along the lines of "What would Hitch think of Donald Drumpf?" only to be followed by a barrage of cheers and applause from the rest of the audience. They ask the question to get validation, not to encourage a discussion.

Peterson is Cypher from The Matrix. He knows that the steak isn't real, but acts in ignorance because of how uncomfortable Red Pill truths are. As soon as he mentions concepts like hypergamy, some of y'all want to get down on your knees and throw your hands in the air as if you're attending one of those Benny Hinn "faith healer" events.

I would encourage all of you to reread "Jordan Peterson is Not Your Friend" if you haven't already done so.

killabeesindafront · 2018-07-03T23:33:29+00:00

How about you motherfuckers listen to the podcast before you comment

dinnerwithfunions · 2018-07-03T21:57:13+00:00

Wouldn’t be surprised if both of them browsed TRP now and then or once upon a time. I remember hearing manosphere type speech from Peterson watching some older videos.

It’s sort of like on social media, when you see people post content you get a sense of who they are, what they think, and what sites they visit. I’m in a meme group and see folks post memes I’ve seen in various reddit subs even some red pill type content.

DadOnDabs · 2018-07-04T01:20:21+00:00

Red pill going main stream? The US may have some hope after all.

TriggeringEveryone · 2018-07-04T04:16:20+00:00

"Full red pill" would include race realism and the JQ.

Bad_nuggets69 · 2018-07-03T20:24:21+00:00

One rotten apple spoils the barrel.

u/gaylubeoil has a post on JBP and "mainstream conservative values"

Joe is great until the topic is nuanced with a strong emotional wall in front of it. JBP is blue pill because of circumstance thrusting him through his proverbial bog into a blue alpha. Look into Rollo's work on that.

Never meet your heroes.

Edit: But as much as these two are gatekeepers they allude to this and similar communities.

MobileInspector · 2018-07-04T10:25:52+00:00

Came here expecting to see a discussion about TRP on JRE 1139 and was not disappointed :)

Small correction - He taught at Harvard for a brief period as an associate prof from '93 to '98 and has been a full professor at the University of Toronto ever since. Please fact check before posting next time...

U-94 · 2018-07-04T11:06:20+00:00

Definitely giving this all beef diet a try. I've been on a strict low carb/no carb diets for 5 years but your body adjusts and I was looking for some new challenge to shock my system. This sounds like it could do some awesome damage.

[deleted] · 2018-07-04T15:38:57+00:00

best podcast in a long long time, peterson is on fire here. joe is very much on edge the whole time, i wonder why....

all the sad sappy losers pay attention, this man could change your life (but don't listen to EVERYTHING he says as gospel)

he clearly points out that monogamy is a good thing for kids, nothing more on the subject and if you don't see this, you're clearly a sperg.

if you intend on having kids, don't be the guy or cuck that gets shafted with a shitty partner for the rest of your childs life. shitty enviroment's piss all over the chance of a decent childhood, yes you may have never had that but it doesn't give you any fucking right to piss all over someone elses.

[deleted] · 2018-07-04T18:35:49+00:00

Jordan Peterson Is Sandman conspiracy

trentreznor95 · 2018-07-03T23:11:44+00:00

Just watched this last night. Thx for sharing

cumfortably_dumb · 2018-07-04T00:54:33+00:00

Ohh really? I just listened to it for the first 30 mins and my commute was over. Will listen to the whole thing today.

dialecticwizard · 2018-07-04T01:19:30+00:00

If he understands capitalism, he will know why.

[deleted] · 2018-07-04T05:13:22+00:00

He did criticize MGTOW fairly harshly, and then apologized for the critique at a later date. He recanted his derision, but not so much that he accepted it as a wholly healthy movement. That sequence of events leads me to believe he may have delved deeper into the assortment of men's subs (MRAs, TRP and MGTOW) that grapple with the issues at hand.

didiflex · 2018-07-04T12:10:02+00:00

Unless you are saint or budhist monk chances are that you are hypergamist if there is a chance for you to be one, its natural tendency for us to strive to go for better options

Its closely related to greed and selfishness

mvnarachi · 2018-07-04T13:39:09+00:00

Will have to check this out, thanks for the info 💪

chaseexcellence · 2018-07-04T16:52:29+00:00

I saw that. I was not sure if I was overeacting to Jordan Peterson talking as if he was on RMG panel. I was shocked.

[deleted] · 2018-07-05T09:43:57+00:00

It's a good interview, also they talk about the MSM misrepresentation on them.

MrMelbourne · 2018-07-07T13:44:44+00:00

Having seen much of his material on YouTube, it is the first time that I recall Peterson saying the "H" word. Hypergamy.

Leonidas_79 · 2018-07-14T21:53:26+00:00

Ive never understood why so many TRP boys dislike JP. I’m redpill in my soul and I vibe with the guy on some things.

Just because the man says some things that you dont fuck with doesn’t mean all his material is waste.

TittyRiot · 2018-07-18T23:39:44+00:00

My takeaway: I give professors no credibility when I don't like what they see, but when you do like what they say, you take it as validation.

[deleted] · 2018-07-30T13:32:54+00:00

Jordan Peterson is very interesting person. Especially for western world, as he comes from cucked Canada, openly opposing fascist speech control laws.

OneCovah · 2018-07-03T23:15:34+00:00

Jordan Peterson attacks leftists for defending all those incel losers when the simple solution for those losers is to "be a man". That's like the rightists who tell poor people to "get a job". Leftist means support the people, and since incels are the people, they are supported by leftists. I'll meet your rightist and raise you a Dan Savage on Overtime May 18, 2018, look it up. He says incels should be able to buy sex without stigma.

And I'll mention that at every age there are more men looking for women than women looking for men. So it IS the women. Women do not have the passion to satisfy all men.

Monogamy is half the solution. Many woman are happy living alone and leave an equal number of men without women. Furthermore, the discussion ignores age. Women are generally attracted to men older than themselves, and leave young men out in the cold.

scissor_me_timbers00 · 2018-07-03T22:53:12+00:00

Lol I was literally just listening to that segment 5 mins ago

c3ntrifuge · 2018-07-03T22:30:35+00:00

What if I told you diets were total bullshit and all you need todo is count your macros and eat sensibly

offense_is_ok · 2018-07-04T00:30:54+00:00

This dude might be personally redpilled, but he doesn't do shit for the masses, he still refuses to discuss the jewish question.

kurdishpower01 · 2018-07-03T23:33:57+00:00

JP sounded pretty beta honestly. Joe seems pretty red pill though

Edit: downvoted lmao? Am I the only one who actually listened to it?....

Layback · 2018-07-04T02:34:20+00:00

It starts at 92:00 not 132:00.

one_more_iteration · 2018-07-03T21:08:48+00:00

This is nice to see in the open and I credit JP with some insight into cleaning up some cobwebs in my subconscious-- but at the end of the day, his core philosophy is at odds with ours where much of (not all) TRP is oriented towards enjoying the decline and JP is all about reinforcing/reestablishing the hierarchies that have been destabilized by critical theory gone retarded. For instance, how can anyone advocate marriage as a valuable goal for most people when it is rigged top to bottom by the government to enable women to completely destroy a man when she feels like it?

Pastelitomaracucho · 2018-07-04T07:11:35+00:00

Joe Rogan really ask simple, deconstructing questions to Memerson's arguments.

Memerson in my opinion has a problem bridging the concepts of hypergamy/polygamy/incels with having children and providing children with an ideal environment. Not that I find him to be wrong, but the jump from "we are animals modulated by evolution" to "we need cultural norms to enforce monogamy for the children" is too rough.

I truly enjoyed this video.

BurnoutRS · 2018-07-04T13:23:52+00:00

Ive had this thought relating to this, utter speculation on my part but I believe the logic its based on is sound. Statisticly speaking If im capable of thinking something it stands to reason there are many others capable of having the same thought. As human beings we really arent all that different from each other when you get past alot of the superficial elements and condense us down to our basic motivations.

Having said this, It occurred to me a while ago that I could effectively RedPill other people without ever mentioning it at all. If I led by example and structured my words very carefully, that gradually, I might pique the curiousity of my peers just enough that they do some digging themselves and end up here. Ive been trying to avoid using terms that are directly linked to TRP however whereas Peterson dropped the H-bomb

Peterson talks alot about the zone of proximal development, lowering the bar so you acchieve realistic goals relative to your current status instead of being a beggar with the goals of a king. His goal is social reform through education. He's had a following for a while now and if he continues to ramp up his content, he may be enacting some sort of plan to gradually introduce these concepts to his audience.

There is a lot of overlap between the process JBP walks people through and the transition we are all making away from our BP selves and towards Self Actualization. Whether or not he is consciously aware of the RedPill (I imagine its more likely than not) I think it could be argued that this is the approach he is taking. Plant the seed of knowledge in peoples minds, those who understand will tend to the life that springs out of it

chopcult · 2018-07-04T15:37:28+00:00

Because JBP talks about TRP doesn't mean he is red pill. He's as BP as they come but he's intellectually honest enough to understand and convey red pill truths, most notably hypergamy.

His efforts are to warn western civilization about the unhindered female imperative takeover and the red pill reaction. Unfortunately he's too late. That genie is not going back in the bottle.

When TRP and the mansosphere say, 'enjoy the decline' , they mean the same thing.

cumfortably_dumb · 2018-07-03T23:34:41+00:00

"Alfa"

Someone doesn't use autocorrect.

BeeBopJoe · 2018-07-04T05:44:19+00:00

Joe Rogan is the man, very knowledgeable person.

Title	Jordan Peterson just went full Red Pill on Joe Rogan Podcast (Talks about alfa fucks/beta bucks, sexual marketplace on college, incels, and other Red Pill theories)
Author	JacobyAhrar
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Comments	418
Date	03 July 2018 08:09 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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