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I kicked a cheating whore out of my house, and I felt bad

by LiveAFTSOV | July 10, 2018 | TheRedPill

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Old school history, back from high school.

No one's gonna believe this shit.


We were dating for 1 and a half years.

She was dressed like a schoolgirl. Anime clothes and all.

We were sitting on my bed, just finished smoking a bowl. Sexual tension was in the air. I could feel she was waiting for me to make a move.

Something in me, prevented me. I knew she wanted me to grab her by her choker, and pin her down by her neck and pull her school-skirt up. But I didn't. I couldn't, I was repelled by her. Maybe it's what she said earlier during our smoke sesh...

"When I first met you I said "oh he's not that cute he'll just be my friend."

I gamed her and same day laid her, but still. It fucked with me, I wondered if she was telling the truth in a moment of open honesty, or was shit testing me. I didn't respond.

Eventually she moved closer to me until my hand was on her leg, and one thing led to another...

After we finished, the problems started.


She sat at the edge of the corner of the bed, distant. I saw her playing with her phone, arms crossed and body slouched forward.

Something didn't feel right.

Trust But Verify.

When she left the room, I went through shawty's phone.


"I feel like you don't wanna be here," I told her.

She kept facing away from me, just using her phone, typing away on it with her headphones in.

"I think you should go," I said.

She finally turned around, pulled an ear jack out and said "what did I do?"

"Nothing," I responded, "you just seem like you don't wanna be here."

She said, "Congratulations. I don't wanna be here."

I got angry. "Then why the fuck are you here? You need to leave, now. I'll take you to your mom's house. Your grandma's house, but you gotta go."

She stayed planted, "no, I don't wanna deal with my family more than I have to."

I asked her what she meant, and she dropped this on me:

"I can't be around my family, and I dont have anyone else to hang out with. I have nowhere else to go, so I come around here, and I have sex with you, it's the price I pay.

It's the price I pay? What the fuck? Even in my Pre-TRP days, that struck me the wrong way. I flipped out, controlled rage. I told her she needs to get the fuck out of my house, cus if she doesn't wanna be around me, I don't want her around.

"Look, I'm not bothering you, we just fucked, I just cleaned your house and cooked you food, just let me stay in the other room if I'm upsetting you."

I couldn't kick this bitch out without causing a scene with my family, and I still felt bad, tinges of blue pill feeling, preventing me from just throwing her out.

I fell asleep next to her, knowing that despite her doing nice things for me and giving me sex on demand, she still wasn't doing that out of lust, it was out of cold calculated trade.


I woke up in the morning, about 7 AM, she was laying so her feet were at my head. The glow of her phone screen illuminated my room.

"What the fuck?" I said out loud. "Turn that fucking light off! And why are you laying like that?"

"I was getting too hot," she said.

I yanked the blanket off her body, and it was covering her cellphone. I saw similar texts to what I saw earlier, "you better have some free time to party with me," and "I can't wait to see you again."

I even saw a picture of somebody sucking dick.

"You gotta go." I said.

I made he stand up and gather her clothes. "Are you even going to give me a ride?" She asked.

"The fuck nigga?" I said, pushing her out my bedroom door.

"Can you at least let me use your bike? Come on, you have a car, you never use your bike. Just lemme use it."

I told her, "No. I'm not helping you," and held firm.

She said "I'm going to use your bike," then she ran downstairs into my garage, and I followed. Whether she dragged the bike up the stairs of my house, or opened the garage, I did not want her waking up my family.

For lack of a better term, we argued. It was mostly her asking me to "explain why she can't use my bike," and me repeating myself, "I just don't want you to."

I never moved an inch - I never let her know I saw what I saw. I was even beginning to think about driving her, just to get her out of my house, before she decided to try and give me that lip.

"I come here, I fuck you whenever you want, I suck your dick, and you always treat me like shit! I never cheated on you. I never sucked someone else. Why do you always have to treat me like shit?!"

I felt the gaslighting effect my feelings, but she forgot, I knew the truth. I saw it. Maybe her manipulations would have worked on a lesser man, but I just clicked. It was almost funny, listening to her claim innocence, and me remember each text and picture I saw.

I pulled her by her arm and started leading her out of the garage. "I'm kicking you out of my house now. Get the fuck out."

She started shouting, screaming, "Go ahead, call the police on me!"

Everyone woke up. They rushed downstairs to see what the commotion was.

My family stood against me. My brother called me a monster, and shamed me.

My mother stood on her side, and yelled at me, trying to force my dad into giving her a ride home.

"Don't do it dad. This whore wants to be somewhere else, she can get there herself."

My dad was speechless, he couldn't find the words to respond to the truth he just heard.

It didn't take long for her to run out my house. I have no idea where she ran off to, after that.


Even after all this time, I am still looking for an explanation.

Why did I feel bad?

Was it because she broke my heart? Was I angry that she fooled me into believing she was special or I was her only? Did I feel bad because I was stooping to her level?

Or was it because I wasn't used to standing up for myself?

I think it's the latter.


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Title I kicked a cheating whore out of my house, and I felt bad
Author LiveAFTSOV
Upvotes 116
Comments 107
Date 10 July 2018 01:47 PM UTC (1 year ago)
Subreddit TheRedPill
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/51341
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[–]CapnPoot76 points77 points  (12 children) | Copy

Had a girl “friend” that would pull sht like this. Wed get along fine for quick chills, but when parasite mode was on... jesus.

The reason I let it go on, and the reason I suspect many people do in situations such as yours, is out of genuine pity. These girls have a way of making you feel like they are being shit on by everyone, and it plays on your primitive protective instincts. It isnt until you realize youre being manipulated that you straight up kick the bitch out, and realize that shes alone bc she pulls the same sht on everyone.

No shame in being human.

[–]kurdishpower01 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

"These girls have a way of making you feel like they are being shit on by everyone"

Just realised I got out-manipulated. Damn they are good at this

[–]3LiveAFTSOV23 points24 points  (8 children) | Copy

Damn son your entire comment is enlightening. How could it be we both went through eerily similar situations?

Goes to show no story is 100% unique.

[–]mrbluesdude12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

Because of borderline and narcissistic personality disorder my friend

[–]ImHerWonderland14 points15 points  (4 children) | Copy

You have no idea how lucky you are that she didn't call the cops on you. I honestly thought that's where the story was going when you grabbed her arm. I know you probably know better now, but for any new dudes reading this imo just ghost her. Not worth it at all. Don't react, just make up some b.s. excuse, drive her home, and ghost her completely. No woman is worth going to jail and court for.

[–]RedForEducation 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy

You have no idea how lucky you are that she didn't call the cops on you.

Testosterone builds up risk tolerance.

[–]ImHerWonderland8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy

Make the testosterone work for you to achieve your goals, not hinder them. Jail is not fun at all, and neither is court. We aren't cavemen anymore.

[–]PsyMonk-0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I have to stress that this is a girl he knew from high school, maybe there's some history/background that made her not do that. This or she's just retarded, who knows?

[–]CapnPoot7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Bc people w victim mentality share a script or some shit. After opening my eyes, legit every girl has the same sob story in the exact same chronological order.

I used to give benefit of the doubt. Now my trust has to be earned. Guess its for the best.

[–][deleted] 38 points39 points  (0 children) | Copy

Why did I feel bad?

Instinct. We are born to protect, provide, procreate.
In exchange, they are faithful, supportive, "submitted".

In our time, the female part of the deal is broken, but too many think the male part is still on, alone,
this is what I call bad environment.

[–]Rian_Stone83 points84 points  (9 children) | Copy

I love how you turned a FWB plate into a shity marriage fights and all.

Turn off the Madonna who're, it's not your friend

[–]3LiveAFTSOV28 points29 points  (7 children) | Copy

Lol. It felt that way at times. She was my girlfriend though, it hurt being told by my supposed LTR that "shes only around cus she got no where else to be."

I know better now, dont get too attached or too serious, enjoy all for what it is, and let it come and go.

[–]Rian_Stone18 points19 points  (6 children) | Copy

You gave it away too cheap is all, and listened to what she said not what she did.

You'll calibrate properly, it comes with time and practice.

The butch management guide was pretty spot on here. In the future, don't let girls see ya sweat, like how Donovan loses his shit all the time in Redman group. It may not hurt, but it never helps.

[–]3LiveAFTSOV8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy

and listened to what she said not what she did.

You don't think this was a moment of truth, like when a girl shares her orgy stories with an "alpha non-judgemental fun guy?"

like how Donovan loses his shit all the time in Redman group.

lmao

[–]Rian_Stone17 points18 points  (0 children) | Copy

Of course it was. She's fucking for validation. All girls do, yours just didn't have the social network that allows her to have orbiters like a normal chick

[–]dotabuff 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

Can you explain your idea more? I don’t understand it and want to understand your comment

[–]Rian_Stone2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Go to GLOs comment instead

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

^ What Rian said.

Let’s see, she shows up, accommodates the schoolgirl fetish, fucks, makes food, tidies up and otherwise stays quiet and MHOFB. I fail to see the downside here. She sounds like a legit FWB/plate. Unless the OP fucks it up because he hasn’t coughed up the blue pill and still believes in the Disney Version of Li....oh. Wait. Never mind.

[–]zboo1h19 points20 points  (1 child) | Copy

My man it can hurt a lot when you realize your dumb ass has tried to housewife a ho. You may have to repeat this retarded process a few times before you finally realize that they're ALL hoes, they all hang with "crews of fake niggas" and talk shit, they ALL suck and fuck any dude with some weed and free time at the drop of a hat. AWALT - NO. FUCKING. EXCEPTIONS.

NEVER get involved with a bitch in a serious way if you can let her affect your frame and happiness this way. Fuck & duck, my dude.

Trust not the thot.

[–]1Self-honest5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Haha yes bro. The last few lines are pure poetry.

[–]red_philosopher40 points41 points  (11 children) | Copy

I think you might have overreacted a little bit, and it's this reactivity that set you up for failure. You lost frame the moment you lost control. You should be slightly proud of how you handled the situation you created- but ultimately you failed to maintain rationality.

You should have kept her in your frame and driven her somewhere else that night (24/7 Diners, Walmart, whatever) as a "surprise" because you're hungry or need to get something. Once out of the car, told her that you will never tolerate such disrespect from a woman, and leave her there.

She knows what she's been doing. She'll know immediately what you are talking about, and the punishment is swift and unyielding. You'll do better next time.

[–]3LiveAFTSOV16 points17 points  (6 children) | Copy

Honestly, I considered doing that exact strategy.

Fooling her, by going to mcdonalds, telling her to go inside, then leaving.

I felt it was being indirect, or conniving, so I opted to just kick her out my house.

[–]red_philosopher15 points16 points  (4 children) | Copy

If you don't explain what is going on, then yeah it's kind of a bitch move. You need to tell her why she is being dropped off there, and let it be. No argument. The way you handled it brought your family into it and they didn't need to know anything. If they questioned you later, they would have been in your frame and there wouldn't have been an argument. Shame on them anyway for not supporting your decision.

[–]Rene-Girard 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy

It was great that OPs family became involved. He learned what kind of people they are and that knowledge is fucking gold.

[–]ImHerWonderland-3 points-2 points  (2 children) | Copy

It's not their fault they're unaware.

[–]Rene-Girard 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

So what? Now he knows they can't be trusted and that knowledge is gold, lets him avoid much worse situations.

[–]ImHerWonderland4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's not that they can't be trusted, they just aren't aware of what's real. I could be mistaken, but it sounds like you're throwing them in with sjws and feminists, when really they're just ignorant. We were all ignorant once.

[–]Endorsed ContributorSKRedPill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

There's one thing you don't get - she's got a whole array of dirty tricks. Your direct strategy only works when you've got all the power in the world - otherwise it can't do much when she starts her games and you get sucked into them.

[–]Rene-Girard 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy

Why should OP have done that? He's perfectly fine to just kick her out, who cares if she caused a stir?

You don't have to be fucking smooth or suave with trash people. You are applying principles reserved for normal girls.

[–]1Self-honest12 points13 points  (2 children) | Copy

Because he needs to avoid repercussions. The way he handled it involved more risk than it was worth.

[–]red_philosopher5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Couldn't have said it better.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (9 children) | Copy

I hope you know that your situation is far from being unique old chum. It hurt like hell to read that story, but only because I can identify with it so closely. I have no idea if my current wife is cheating on me, and the more I read here, the more I see it as a very real possibility. I do know she's no longer attracted to me at all. I guess there's a reason that feminists labeled marriage as an institutionalised version of prostitution...

[–]CryptoNShit0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy

She's cheating on you man and if she's not you gotta leave her anyways especially that you know for a fact that she isn't attracted to you anymore. 100 percent dude. I think you're still blue pilled.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

LOL, you have no knowledge of the situation crypto. I'm at like 22 % body fat and have to work the dread levels first. I have to lose weight and up my social game. That way I'll be in prime position for if she still doesn't get on board. By then, I want to have a whole lot of options and I'm giving myself till Halloween to get down to a lower weight. Dude I hope you're not so quick to pull the trigger on your own marriages. Here I am Deering to a stranger on internet. You're right, I am blue pulled. Back to the drawing board with me...

[–]DancesWithPugs1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

I lost about 40 lbs. and still got betrayed. Do it for yourself, not her.

Learning a combat art, some grappling, is the fastest way to reclaim masculinity I know. Find strength you thought impossible. Get beat up, exhausted, come back and do it again. High protein, high vegetable diet, weight will drop off on its own. If she doesn't come around it's not meant to be.

Become a beast. A controlled weapon. When half the women on town want a piece, so will she. Or if it's too late, then you have options brother.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Thanks for the message DancesWithPugs. It's weird, it's practically like I have the exact same game plan as you. I actually have 44 lbs left to lose myself now after a few weeks on the Keto diet. Man, that diet is a bitch to stick to, but carbs don't taste as good as pussy I guess... I know you're definitely right about doing it for me and not for her. That's why I'm going to try to set up options as well. I think making friends in order to gain access to these options will be the hard part. Not ready for cold approach yet that's for sure. Thanks again for the message.

[–]DancesWithPugs0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I'm glad! I fluctuate between 55 and 70 lbs down from my worst, depending on diet and exercise that week. I couldn't afford training all the time so I incorporated grappling and dance motions into walking around town. Also roll around at home.

I would not advise you to start scouting around for prospects and hitting on women. You are still in an LTR, and a marriage! Casual organic flirting should be fine. I'm suggesting that you become the option. Then you don't need to go fishing, the fish swim to you and jump in the boat.

Learning how to be in physical contests without anger or fear is one of the best gifts I gave myself. It's almost like a boot camp (only an hour at a time thankfully) when you start if you are as out of shape as I was. I went from barely being able to go up a flight of stairs to jumping around outside, and learning my body could do things I never thought possible.

You gotta ask yourself both if the relationship can be saved and if it is worth saving. Am I, an internet stranger, giving you more respect and kindness than your spouse? You deserve better, and there's no reason for her to be miserable and go through the motions, as a human being she deserves better too.

Let's be honest, y'all both got complacent and probably have low level depression. With the destruction of community values, replaced with degrading jobs and chemicals in our food, water, air, soil, and cabinets, it's no wonder. You probably fought about money and chores because everyone is exhausted from being the tough breadwinner and wants the support spouse. Ruling class says fuck that, we want a 100 hours a week from you two. Plus traffic.....Well fuck that.

Let me tell you what happens when my current girlfriend starts acting like a bitch and goes too far. I explain that I deserve respect, I expect respect, we have consented agreements, and she is going to hear exactly how she fucked up. If she wants to hamster and deny I keep going until I get some actual responsibility. It's painful for both of us. Then that night or a day later her periodic mysterious non-horniness lifts and she fucks me. This is in a context of daily manhandling, spankings, sexualizing, and teasing. Without the steel spine on display, frequency and intensity both drop. Huge pain in the ass, but I can't always be Mr. Fun agree and amplify guy, and serious boundary violations get dealt with directly. It's unfortunate, but my behavior contributes to the situation as well.

All the advice of "dump the bitch first sign of trouble" should be taken with a grain of salt. We are all damaged and all learning. I can't expect my girl to be 100% together when I'm not. Even if I was impossibly perfect, allow for limits and mistakes in others. Shitty behavior though, gets too far I tell people to knock that shit off or I'm out. Passive aggressive, under the radar shit too. Yeah I lost friends and in-law "family" over the years but not my integrity. Some people I should have told to fuck off years earlier, but I don't break my word just because things get tough. Try my best anyways. It's not always clear how far to let people go before burning it to the ground or drifting away. I'm persistent and don't expect to always get my way, and trying to see the bigger picture in sticking it out. Boundaries are tricky with an LTR because drawing lines in the sand is sup-optimal, sometimes even desperation level stuff.

You're going to be vulnerable to input while you are reconstructing. So be careful with this place, it is a website forum after all. A tangent / rant incoming, more grains of salt. Take from it what you will.

RedPill is amazing for learning dating and sexuality techniques, and self-improvement. When it sounds more like PUA manipulation, or narcissistic exploitation of young vulnerable women, I cringe. For all the criticism RP does of the world, it can't really tolerate criticism back or too much dissent. RP kinda says do these moves, most of which work well, but if they don't work it's because you're not RP enough or the woman is too horrible to deal with. A little too neat and tidy. Couldn't possibly be the ideology at fault, ever. Bemoaning the collapse of western civilization, America in decline, etc., then saying "no morals, no values can be discussed!" Well guys when you talk about who deserves what fate, who is to be respected and who is shamed, what kind of relationships are valid, who is a scumbag, you are talking morals and values. It's disingenuous to pretend being amoral is somehow neutral. Kind of shallow sounding if it needs censorship from any moralizing or criticism. Kind of "protect me from wrong opinions, internet parents" kind of mentality. Gotta delete and ban judgements against it, just like all of RP's immoral foes. I got burnt by feminism and now I easily see identity politics mate guarding bitch moves all over the place. Traditional white Christian is an identity and they build shit around that. Aspiring pussy slayer and jacked leader of men is an identity too.

If you're upset that your country is in decline, well you should be. It's not more manly and masculine to be a vain selfish prick and use others for sex. Fucking rebuild and be the example. Be a goddamn leader, on your terms.

The rekindling passion game only goes so far sometimes, it is tough to say. Good luck man. You will find your own path in your new strong body.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Again, thanks for all the time you're taking to help me out here bud. Much appreciated. You're preaching to the choir for a lot of the stuff you've mentioned in your paragraph for sure. I have found that I have had to cut ties with some friends and family because I was so long without a backbone that it turned me into a target. I grew angry because of an accumulation of disrespect and what I felt was a lack of any passion at all from my wife. I threatened divorce and everything. And I cut a few people out of my life completely. The funny part is that while I do feel a bit lonelier, I am a hell of a lot happier over the long run because you need to get rid of the negative voices around you to build yourself up. It was only after all this that I discovered the red pill. A personal question for you, and one you don't have to anser if you are uncomfortable with it. Did your LTR step start stepping out on you before or after you lost the weight?

[–]CryptoNShit0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Yo actually I thought that you said you weren't getting it on top of her not being attractived to you anymore. I don't know if I'll ever get married but if I do I'd make sure there are no red flags whatsoever during the relationship and even during marriage. Regardless it seems like you've already seen some yourself.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

For sure man. I did see red flags before getting married, but compared to the other women I had been with, she was much better. Just had a string of bad luck, or really when it boils down to it, I had it coming as I was Blue Pill as a kid. I got married young as hell. Anyways, that's in the past. I'm all about what's coming up now. Going to lift right now actually...

[–]DeontologicalSanders8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

"I can't be around my family, and I dont have anyone else to hang out with. I have nowhere else to go, so I come around here, and I have sex with you, it's the price I pay.

ROFL. Imagine the category 5 shit storm if you said something like "look, you ain't that cute, your titties kinda saggy, and you're trash on top. But I fuck you anyway because no one else answers my calls. It's better than nothing."

[–]packetdata 1 points [recovered]  (5 children) | Copy

The thing is she was sucking you off,doing your dishes and letting you bang her at your wim. Instead of kicking her out you should have kept her as a plate.Used her as the whore she was.

[–]3LiveAFTSOV38 points39 points  (3 children) | Copy

I don't think I could've back then. I probably would've still loved her.

I think a complete break up was for the best.

[–]UX6pz5NHB6 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

I probably would've still loved her.

You had oneitis. It's as simple as that.

[–]3LiveAFTSOV14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy

Well, yeah. That's why breaking up was the best move. Lol

[–]red_philosopher3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

This was my first instinct, but any plate I catch talking shit about me behind my back gets the axe. I'm not going to stoop that low for a little pussy and handiwork.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil31 points32 points  (26 children) | Copy

She was dressed like a schoolgirl. Anime clothes and all. We were sitting on my bed, just finished smoking a bowl.

Your distancing yourself from reality via disassociative drugs and an enactment of a sexual fetish. Your post doesn't regret this behavior.


All disassociative behavior is blue pill as it further separates you from the Real. Somehow after years here this concept is unknown to you.

[–]3LiveAFTSOV9 points10 points  (18 children) | Copy

I was in high school a few years ago bro, not like this happened yesterday.

And actually the concept is quite familiar to me, I'm theorizing a post on the phenomena of artistic, gamer, emo, goth, cosplay bitches, and how it's all escapism cus they weren't hot enough, etc.

Like I said tho, it's a work in progress

[–]Rian_Stone10 points11 points  (6 children) | Copy

It's a good point, honestly, I wish I had seen it earlier.

How else can you explain how angry you got when she lifted the veil? she played the shy nerd girl, and you played her co dependant. When she said it was purely transactional, you got angry.

I'm on a tangent now, but there was a script, and she broke the 4th wall. Sounds like a narcissistic injury. Only you'll know if that's the case, but I wouldn't dismiss it out of hand. the fact GLO said this with minimal 'slav bro' isn't an accident.

I'd say writing it out was a good thing, it's how we process events in our life, and if you have any emotions attached to it, being able to articulate it is the best way to get past em. I have done so in my past field reports when I got called a big drippy faggot. GLO may be wrong, but if you can't articulate why, then it's worth some serious reflection.

[–]3LiveAFTSOV7 points8 points  (5 children) | Copy

It hurt. The truth hurts.

I got angry because she had that veil in the first place man. Like, it wasn't good ol' hypergamy and I'm the best male she's got available to her.

I'm just the male she has cus she had no other options.

That's what pissed me off, and it's why I kicked her out. I'd have rather been alone than to be with someone who was with me, and fucking me out of transaction rather than desire.

And the way she said it too, fucking me was "the price she paid" , rather than an added bonus. This just didn't strike me as a classic shit test, rather her abrupt honesty. Seeing it now, I was like a beta bux, pretty much.

The only confusion in my af/bb assessment is that she would do anything I wanted. Anal, fuck in public, come to my house in middle of night. Everything. Never refused a thing.

but there was a script, and she broke the 4th wall. Sounds like a narcissistic injury.

Damn right I was hurt, my supposed girlfriend told me she only fucked me cus it was a price she pays, and hung out with me cus there was no one else to do it with.

Fuck off then, go be alone, I said.

she played the shy nerd girl, and you played her co dependant.

I'm curious how you were able to guess this, despite me only sharing one story. Is it that transparent? Or a common theme...

Anyways, I agree with GLO about dissociatives, but dont see why a fetish is something to be "regretted."

it's worth some serious reflection.

agreed.

[–]Rian_Stone8 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy

I'm No pro, but after a while, it's crazy how cookie cutter most guys are, me included.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

me included

Oh no, you're a super special snowflake!

[–]Rian_Stone4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Heh. I'm a 5/10 who got bumped to an 8 because they are turning the frogs gay.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Like, it wasn't good ol' hypergamy and I'm the best male she's got available to her.

It was a beta transaction, as you now realise.

The only confusion in my af/bb assessment is that she would do anything I wanted. Anal, fuck in public, come to my house in middle of night. Everything. Never refused a thing.

Some girls are like that: they just submit to everything.

Another fact, and this might help in a way: what she says she feels, she feels IN THAT MOMENT. She acts like it's the only thing she ever feels and ever could feel, but it's a transient thing. So she says it then, meant it then.... but it's possibly not true at previous times, at other moments.

my supposed girlfriend told me she only fucked me cus it was a price she pays, and hung out with me cus there was no one else to do it with.

Another brutal truth: if she says she really likes you one day, and says the above the next day... you'll believe the latter. This is because YOU believe it. Now you rely on her to validate you against your own beliefs (which requires constant reinforcement). The moment she says "it was all a lie", you believe that completely because you already believed it.

If you truly believed in yourself you wouldn't believe her when she said that... you'd believe that deep down all women basically adore you, and just shrug and say "ok, no problem, plenty of others who aren't feeling like you do right now".

she played the shy nerd girl, and you played her co dependant.

I'm curious how you were able to guess this, despite me only sharing one story. Is it that transparent? Or a common theme...

It's a very common theme - on both sides.

Anyways, I agree with GLO about dissociatives, but dont see why a fetish is something to be "regretted."

The fetish isn't the problem, it's the disassociation from reality, the belief in a false narrative, not engaging with reality as it is. The fetish is a pointer to that.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil7 points8 points  (10 children) | Copy

This post glamourizes disassociative behavior and you wrote this post today not in highschool. Thats all I need to know about your current psychological state.

[–]3LiveAFTSOV7 points8 points  (5 children) | Copy

You know what bro, on the topic of fetishes, you should have your girlfriend muscle worship you. That'd be right up your alley, I bet.

[–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro17 points18 points  (3 children) | Copy

Hi,

I loved your post, but I also find GLOs comment very insightful.

Also, you went very early to ad personam this time. A bit too early for my taste.

Your post is insightful, as it is honest sharing and thanks for that. GLOs comment about distancing from reality is also extremely valuable.

I mean it's not like you two are retards from kindergarten, or at least that's what I thought unless I read some more comments in this thread...

[–]3LiveAFTSOV3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

Hey buddy.

GLOs comment about distancing from reality is also extremely valuable.

I thought so too.

/u/gaylubeoil needs to start that "Red Pill Personal Counseling" side-hustle. I hope he does, I think it'd be lucrative and fitting for him. Really, GLO You could be a Ripped and Swole Zizek.

[–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

/u/gaylubeoil needs to start that "Red Pill Personal Counseling" side-hustle

Exactly. As a counter-weight to "I still can't get over my ex dot com"

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

But I have one allready and advertise at the end of all of my posts...

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

The Red Pill is your cosplay fetish costume your just mad I see the beta boy underneath the dress.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

Seemed like a minor irrelevant detail in the story, and the op didn't describe it either positively or negatively. It was a statement of fact, not a glamourisation.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

It's not a minor detail because he opens the post with it. A posts introduction is a major detail.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's called setting the scene. Do you also think he's glamourising highschool, anime and dating people for one and a half years?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy

Can you explain this a bit more. Why is it bad to separate from the real if you are fully aware of and accepting of your current position. That is not to say you should be complacent, you should always want to improve, but is there not a time/place?

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy

If your fully aware that sucking dick is gay and you suck dick your gay. Your also gay if you have a dick suck a dick but don't know sucking dick is gay.

Ideology isn't what you believe it's what you do. To quote Marx on ideology: They don't know what they are doing but nonetheless they are doing it

[–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Why is it bad to separate from the real if you are fully aware of and accepting of your current position.

If you are fully aware and accepting of your current position you don't need to separate from it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

But if you are accepting I think it is within your right to decide, I may be wrong, I just wanna make sure I understand.

[–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Separation from reality is done to avoid it. So either you accept the reality or you separate from it.

[–]Aesthetic_God__12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

Had the same crap with my ex-ltr, I always suspected she's cheating on me or she's talking to other guys. Everytime I brought that subject up she would claim the guys send the messages first, and she showed me conversations of keeping it casual and brushed them off. After some months, we decided to take a break off each other and she still contacted me, I want you to pay attention to the next line. Bitch asked me about a guy, I didn't know of at the time, then one guy friend who dated her best friend phone called me and said she was flirting with this fake nigga when my friend, his girl, and the bitch went out together. I was too blind to pick up the hint until 1 month later when we got back together, I picked up her phone, and saw messages of them talking about blowing his dick in his car and how she was eager to do it. I scrolled downwards, and saw a text from him inviting her to suck him for the first time and she replied " Go find someone else to satisfy you " Still, I was mad and broke up with her. But I was too beta to realise the cheating slut she was, and after 6 months, we met and fucked again. I saw texts of a guy asking her to go out and she said " You're on the line, you'll have to wait. " After this and that I finally found the courage to completely cut her out of my life. It HURT like hell in my blue pill days, it even took me a year and a half to accept that the person I thought loved me unconditionally was such a manipulator. Thankfully afterwards, I layed off the PUA and found TRP. Thank you Red Pill!

[–]Endorsed Contributormonsieurhire25 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

You did the right thing. But often, the right thing feels hard. You feel bad in part because you are going through withdrawal. Also, you were getting something from her of value, even though it was a trade that wasn't pure. Sex should be exchanged for sex, not for material and psychological comfort, but these things are often all intertwined anyway. However, since she's inexperienced, she was a little too honest. She basically tipped you off that she didn't hold you in that high esteem, and then you found the verification on her phone; perhaps she left it for you to find. Perhaps she was testing you to see how you would react; maybe she wanted the drama. Maybe she was testing herself, to see how she would feel and handle the situation.

Anyway, it sucks, but you learned a lesson. And look at it this way, at least you didn't stay with her and endure more of her BS.

[–]conflagratorX1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Why did you feel bad? It's because you had still positive feelings for her. And then you had negative. And then you are in conflict because you cannot categorize her: good or bad. You are in cognitive dissonance. You have chosen bad and executed action reserved for bad people but your good emotions towards her haven't disappeared yet. You felt bad because you are human not some emotionless psychopath.

Psychoanalysis is powerful tool for understanding yourself and other people actions and emotions, really undermined in TRP community.

[–]Rhythm_Man2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

You felt bad regardless because at its core it's betrayal. There's a reason the lowest circle of hell is considered the home of betrayers, it is the worst thing one can do. My father, an inherently red-pilled man, would always tell me "your word is your bond"....this can equate to "never betray anyone or risk losing the trust and social standing of everyone". He never bothered incorporating the same to my sister.

[–]1Self-honest2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

First off, I understand your point. Don't feel bad about kicking stupid sluts out of your life. Got it. And I also think you know everything I'm about to say. And I'm leaving some shit out.

I disagree with the broken frame, anger and physicality

I made her stand up and gather her clothes. "Are you even going to give me a ride?" She asked.

"The fuck nigga?" I said, pushing her out my bedroom door.

I pulled her by her arm and started leading her out of the garage. "I'm kicking you out of my house now. Get the fuck out."

Treading dangerously close to fucking up.

She started shouting, screaming, "Go ahead, call the police on me!"

And if you had she would have provoked you, attacked you, or hit herself. EVERYBODY stay calm man.

Not a fan of the ego inflation

Maybe her manipulations would have worked on a lesser man

And the bitch way it was all handled.

"I feel like you don't wanna be here," I told her.

Talking about your feelings instead of just demoting her to plate and or ghosting her the next day.

You tell the story like the hero but what I hear is a story about a guy who pulled a girl and committed, slowly got betafied, believed the girl's words (good and bad) as she was attempting to branch swing and let the words cut him like a knife (however true or untrue they were), and treaded dangerously close to catching an assault or false rape charge because he couldn't control his emotions. That's the real story here.

Even after all this time, I am still looking for an explanation.

It's obvious.

Why did I feel bad?

You have compiled tons of RP info, you should be able to look yourself in the mirror and see it.

Was it because she broke my heart? Was I angry that she fooled me into believing she was special or I was her only? Did I feel bad because I was stooping to her level?

Nope.

Or was it because I wasn't used to standing up for myself?

I think it's the latter.

Nope. You became a pussy little bitch and then lost control of your emotions when you realized you were fooling yourself into thinking you were the fucking man. It's not a post about kicking people out unless it's a post about what not to do when kicking somebody out. It's the classic blue pill tale.

As always, thanks for sharing man. I know it was a long time ago and we all make progress around here. I'm sure you aren't still making the same mistakes.

[–]gkmedia2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah..sounds like NPD. I know, I know, people will say it's AWALT, but nah..once you see the difference you know. The manipulation is there to an extent, sure, but there is a straight up cold, calculating aspect to sex for an NPD over even the most SIMPLE shit. While many women can cheat, the more stable ones are not ALWAYS wheeling and dealing on their next purely transactional trade for booze/weed/drugs/housing/food in quite the way NPDs do. Not in the way they can literally line up the next dick while in your bed, acting cold and aloof towards you in your own house, yet somehow have the audacity to be indignant toward you when you want them out. Once they 'discard' you and need a refill on validation, they can be downright sadistic toward you if you lack a spine. There is no point in trying to make sense of how her mind was working. They can't control their emotions so they can't hold a job or friends, and family will become sick of their shit. The only tool they have left is expert level manipulation and sex, which is why they need to use it for everything to survive.

Also, read this: http://gettinbetter.com/dance.html

[–]Tek_Analyst2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

OP I think you did well. Don’t let anyone tell you that you should make her think this or that, or not let her know you’re upset.

You stood your ground and that’s all that matters. It’s not about her it’s about you. I too have been in situations where I just feel bad for being asshole, even though it is well deserved. As many have said it’s instinct and conditioning, and it’s ok. It’s what makes us men, and good human beings.

Just think of this, whether you told her, took her home, or did your same story. She’s still going to find someone else to leech off of and suck off for comfort and company. Pretty sure that makes you feel possessive, and bad for her. It’s your ego, it feels good to feel needed. While we should work on shedding that, just think.

There’s a girl out there that “needs you” that isn’t sucking guys off. She’s going to school and ready to find a captain to lead her. That’s the one you should invest into. Let this one go and hit the gym.

[–]itsmaesa 1 points [recovered]  (4 children) | Copy

Well handled, poor response from family. Had the same happen to me over a year ago. I think the way you acted is the best response possible in this specific situation. However next time youll act quicker

[–]1Self-honest3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy

Well handled? That was almost a train wreck. Mostly because of the way OP handled it. What in the fuck is this

best response possible in this specific situation

???????????

[–]itsmaesa 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy

He stated the things he learned from this and why he handled it like he did (lack of prior experience) and ended up the better for it.

Furthermore you should remove some question marks because you look silly.

[–]1Self-honest1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Just because he stated them doesn't mean that it was well handled. I wanted it to look silly. It was a silly statement.

Did OP give the best response possible? No. Not even close.

The original comment seemed to think it was "well handled". Which it wasn't. I wanted to point out to him so he could re-inspect it and learn the lessons.

Edit: Oh wait... that was you.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Send them packing. Plate them and when they exhibit poor behaviors send em down the street.

[–]SoleDaddy761 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Excellent work my friend. Remember, if the shoe was on the other foot she would have destroyed you without blinking or remorse.

[–]MOSFETBJT1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

The reason you feel bad is because you have compassion. That isn't a bad thing.

I'm glad you kicked her out anyway though.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

these are the type of girls that get beat in all their relationships. they trap some beta and constantly cheat on him but they both refuse to leave the relationship. she says “i’m sorry i won’t do it again!” then every time he catches her cheating he starts beating her again.

[–]Endorsed ContributorSKRedPill1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

We need a guide on how to kick someone toxic out of your house. I had similar issues when arguing anything with my ex wife. The level of histrionics and dirty tricks she'd go to had no limit. She literally told me that if it came to an argument, she'd go on and on till one of us dropped dead from exhaustion (and she wasn't joking, I'm pretty sure she was proper BPD) - if I dropped dead, I'd lose, if she dropped dead, her family would make sure I lose. I was noob at the time, despite all the TRP I've read, I still have no clue how to deal with this level of cunning shit - this needs more than frame, this needs you to actually get your power game to work. She realized I had no experience at dealing with stuff of this sort and milked it beyond my wildest imagination. She had counter tactics and counter counter tactics.

That was definitely one reason for me to get out. I was lucky she ended up going to another town (to be with her family for a while after a huge spat) so I eventually spilled the beans on my family - she'd convinced many of them it was all my fault and only my laptop microphone and several audios recorded without her knowledge really told the full story - needless to say my family and friends were horrified. When trying to talk to her folks failed (they themselves had no idea about their daughter's behaviour, and this became a very effective way for her to convince them she was absolutely innocent) - her family totally refused to believe me. Then after speaking to my lawyer, I called her up and said it was all over (she'd threatened me numerous times with it right from the start of the relationship, and hated me even further when I had to surrender to her tricks). She was an extremely accomplished gaslighter too, something I realized after cross checking the things she told me. It kind of made everyone in my circle wake up to the fact that they had all been gaslight!

Oh man, how much she texted and called and pinged that she'll change, things will work out, we'll go for counselling and all. Well I had none of that and I pointed out how much her family had to suffer because of our issues. I even told her I was a lot happier now and then called up her folks and told him I wanted out. Her dad eventually saw reason and pulled the plug out (he never believed me though - knowing his health condition I didn't want to share those audios I'd recorded).

Thing is, TRP told me where I'd gone wrong and what needed improvement for myself. But dealing with dirty tricks and mind games - damn there must definitely be a guide on how to deal with dangerous stuff - my ex could have alerted the neighbours, called the cops on me, done something stupid when I was at work (my apartment was high up), poisoned my family against me, messed with gaps in my memory, spread lies between everyone, and what not. This was way too toxic yes, but it made me realize that power and being able to implement it was a very important undercurrent of even close personal relationships - in fact underneath the veneer of pleasant feelings, it is THE most important thing. If you can't impose your power and terms on someone, they will do so on you and things will get much, much nastier if you let it.

OP was this close to getting arrested. It's because his family was around that there was a limit to how far she could go.

Essentially a huge part of power play is the Halo Effect, where people back down if you just so much as stand up and be stern. I have no clue how some people manage to do that - frame and confidence is essential yes, but having the wits to deal with dirty tricks, counter the other person's games and get them to do what you want -- that's a much needed skill.

[–]krowitz1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Agree with you 100%. I experienced this high-level shit as you described. Mine put me in a frame where if I don't do it her way, she kills herself. She even tried to slit her wrists in front of me and I had to restrain her. I was lucky to have made audio recordings of what she said. But I kept it to myself. The most horrible thing is the constant gaslighting which really burns me to my core personally, as I always thought that my one talent is having eidetic memory.

Then I found myself here, read and internalized everything, and start to see life in a different picture. It kind of makes you nihilistic but yeah, it is what it is.

[–]Endorsed ContributorSKRedPill1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

These women are extreme cases. I have a pretty extended family and while I've seen couples have all kinds of disagreements, no one goes anywhere near that side where they threaten you and play mind games with your life at risk - not my mum, not my aunts. I've never seen or even known what gaslighting was until then (only much later I even discovered the word) - combined with some threatening histrionic power play, it tends to work very well.

You can disagree on everything in this universe without going that route. If anyone can do that at the drop of a hat, they're really not normal. The worst I've ever heard my mum say is that one day she'll be gone and my dad will realize her value and miss her, but it'll be too late by then. That's about it. Things go back to normal very soon.

It was my uncle who warned me that this behaviour was beyond all bounds of sanity as he had 2 of his best buddies fall prey to years of torture - one of them is unable to get a divorce because of the way the state laws are - his ex plays mind games pretending to co-operate whenever a hearing comes up and he's in judicial hell - if he goes one sided, he's being threatened with false abuse claims. His ex's sworn that by the time she decides to let him go, he'll be too old and never get a second chance to live the life he wanted. The other guy faced horrors with his ex playing games using his kid. He won custody of his son, but eventually lost it down the road as the kid's been brainwashed to see his dad as the villain.

These disorders (BPD, NPD, HPD) are female dark triad characteristics and are very destructive - the mentality of these women is like a suicide bomber and it's just waiting for something to trigger the bomb. One thing about sociopathic females is that they are far more, abnormally cunning than the average female.

This is why it's extremely important to learn how to test women and identify red flags as a man. Anyone who tries to play fool with your life because they got upset is a toxic person and should be thrown out of your life without mercy. The trouble is, throwing them out or even holding frame with them is a very tricky business - you have to be quite cunning yourself to figure out how to dump her, anticipate everything that could go wrong and get to safety before she goes KABOOM.

Your best option is to ever prevent a relationship from happening with a dark triad girl.

[–]krowitz0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah. Never too late to learn. I never really tested women. I was always operating on people come, people go and just have fun while it lasts. Until that woman came to my life, we we're together for 7 years and when shit hit the fan, it was like you described: everything was 180 at the drop of a hat.

What resonated most to me among what you said was 'you have to be quite cunning yourself to get rid of them (sic)'. I knew this and after introspection, I didn't like what I became.

Before TRP, I was enamored with behavioral psychology and read everything I can about DSM-5 personality disorders.

What I'm getting at here is that, true, that woman might be crazy, but I encourage introspection and try to see, we might have contributed to it too. I know I might have. I may have NPD after everything I've read.

I recommend a reading of HG Tudor from narcsite.com. I identify greatly with what he calls a Greater Narcissist.

[–]TheOriginalBigApp 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

Stop smoking dope. It brings you zero benefit and clouds/diminishes your judgement. And, it's expensive.

[–]wanker71710 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Being stubborn and negative will make anyone feel bad. You knew the truth and probably figured she was lying so that you'd help her out. It probably wasn't even that big of a deal, like holding the door open for someone.

That being said, no one will respect you if you don't respect yourself. When she decided she was going to act like that to you and in front of your family you should see it as you earning respect for standing up for yourself. Hell some people may disagree with me but by standing up to her bullshit she even respects you more. Hell in my own household I grew up as BP Billy while my brother was Chad and guess who my parents respected more? Despite me being the compliant beta son. It seems contradictory that sticking to your guns in those situations will help you but it does. You should feel good that you got that moment to increase your status as a man.

[–]Junted0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I kicked out a plate of 7 months turned GF for a few weeks for not nearly as bad a reason and best believe I know that tight belly feeling you get right after to apologize and makeup vs the moments need to hold frame and believe in what you're doing and why. Quite the position to be in, i'd recommend it.

[–]7GreatOne110 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Like a lot of people are pointing down in the comments, you dodged a bullet on multiple fronts ,my guy. Forget the possibility of her accusing you for physical or sexual assault, she could have instigated something and sent those fake niggas after you and your family. Good post.

[–]Greedy_Flow0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

okay but now where is your life, do you even do the red pil , it's about self improvements , bro the first rule to get a girl intrested is to show her, you have a life, you could have left her alone maybe?, and do your work,

[–]3LiveAFTSOV2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Do i even do the red pill. Lol

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Why not confront her straight up?
"Hey bitch, I saw you your texts and know you've been cheating on me. I don't want to hear any of your bullshit and want nothing to do with you anymore. If you have any self-respect left you'll leave my house and never contact me again".
Women feed on drama, be firm and stoic and they wont be able to hamster their thoughts into making you be the bad guy in the situation even if they are the ones making all the mistakes

[–]Zippy17760 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You need to move out away from your family. They will only drag you down in situations like this. I had to do the same, this is unfortunately how our lives go. Allowing them to live in the same place you do will only ever impact you negatively.

[–]qx47580 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

When you stick it in crazy, you always pay, one way or the other.

[–]DarkVariant0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Good. Never continue to mess with a cheater. For me.. I can take a bit of dishonesty. Little dumb shit girls do. ETC. But cheating? In an exclusive relationship... DONE. GHOSTING done. You felt bad because you have feelings for her. Period. And you have a conscience and a heart.. and think logically (something girls have a hard time doing/having). That's all. -- She's not worth your time. Get with other girls as soon as you can. Reinforce that you're a king.. and she fucked up. None of this is your fault.

[–]Hyper_Sonik-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

I don't know bout this one. Perhaps she DID like you but was using her anti slut defence albeit very overtly. I think you may have misinterpreted her words but in the end you still did the right thing.

[–]Gelford 1 points [recovered]  (8 children) | Copy

So a girl cooked, cleaned and then had sex with you wanting nothing more in return than a roof over her head for the night and you're pissed? :D

[–]3LiveAFTSOV3 points4 points  (7 children) | Copy

So you're the type to be okay with your girlfriend texting other niggas while laying in bed with you?

[–]expnad6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

I’d rather say we need to debate whether or not she agreed with your opinion of being your girlfriend

[–]Gelford 1 points [recovered]  (5 children) | Copy

Well ... Most likely she's been texting other niggas for the entire year and a half you've been together, while you've been doing the full blown beta. No reason to blame her for your weakness, is there?

Shouldn't you just admit you're a schmuck and get on with it instead of starting all that drama and showering us with your self pity? :)

[–]3LiveAFTSOV5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy

texting other niggas

she probably was

my weakness

I think she would have done that no matter how "strong" i was, cant make a hoe into a house wife.

I did admit I was a schmuck in the past, I put it in bold.

Reflecting on it now, I posted this cus I'm glad I kicked her out when I did, and didnt "forgive her" or somethin like that.

Anyways, if you're comfortable with your girlfriend laying in bed with you, and texting other guys, you're a faggot

[–]Gelford 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy

I rather be a faggot than a beta buck with his head up his ass for a year and a half not noticing that his 'girlfriend' was basically fucking every nigga in the hood.

She is just who she is .. while you fucked up big and are now trowing a tantrum like a five year old instead of just being a man, and face up to your own shit and just move on and do better

Ain't nothing redpill about what you describe. You're just a niceguy raging

[–]3LiveAFTSOV5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

Well hey man, we were all kids once. Now we have RP to grow better. No anger or rage at her now.

This is a reflection of past events.

[–]RavelsBolero-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Your family are a bunch of fuckin morons, what a surprise. You already knew that anyway



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