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MGTOWS Are Incels In Disguise: Don't Fall For It

by LiveAFTSOV | July 11, 2018 | TheRedPill

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Lets start by remembering that the original MGTOW movement was started by successful and attractive men who decided women were not worth the squeeze anymore. They decided to focus solely on developing themselves, and enjoying women that come to them, rather than going out to chase it.

They were voluntarily celibates .

There are a select few MGTOWs who still uphold the original ideals, but they are few and far between, drowned out by a sea of victim-minded losers, who could not bang women, even if they tried.

The latter kind are involuntarily celibate.

The majority of modern day MGTOWs.

They use the ideals as a crutch for their valueless nature, then claim they were the ones to reject women, even though it was the opposite that lead them to MGTOW in the very first place.

both MGTOWs and incels are delusional, but the MGTOW is worse.

Incels are on average, 3-5 scale looks guys, between their 13s-30s who suffer from severe confidence issues, and slight body dysmorphia. They are experts on the aesthetics of beauty, but because of low confidence they focus on all their flaws and reinforce the thought that they are ugly, undesirable, and worthless.

On the other hand, MGTOWs are experts at feeling good, feeling like they are superior, to the point of delusions of grandeur. They believe women aren't worth fucking, and that they have a choice on the matter, despite being low SMV men.

Id say incels are a step above mgtows incels admit there Is a flaw, they jist bitch about it rather than fix it. MGTOW deny that there is any problem at all, and instead push the blame on the female by saying "I'm an awesome valuable man. Women just aren't worth my time," even tho they usually ain't shit.


Just in case you still don't think they are the same... Go to the MGTOW board right now and you will see the top announcement is that "Red Pills don't make you bullet proof" , and if you can stomach the 30 minute self advertisement, he tells us that "women are not worth the risk, and redpills are meant to navigate away from them."

Now what the fuck else do we see on ~incels2~ MGTOW...

Being on the MGTOW sub makes me feel like I'm looking at Braincels, the sub.

A bunch of memes about how everyone is a loser. Memes glorifying violence against women. Pity posts where guys cry about how they aren't valuable then do nothing to improve because of their entitlement. A bunch of "haha look how bad and stupid girls Are" posts.

Even a few top rated posts share the common victim mentality.

Almost every post on the MGTOW board is talking about how much it's subscribers suck, how the world is unfair because of genetics aesthetic or otherwise, or celebrating justice when a woman gets taken down.

Posts about improving and surviving against all odds?

38 upvotes.

Posts about guys failing to get girls, then everyone laughs at him cus "haha that idiot tried to get laid, don't you know girls suck and aren't worth your time bro?"

350 upvotes.

That, combined with what is on the announcements, is enough evidence that the majority of the MGTOW population are victim minded who opt to quit, then laugh at others who try, yet fail.

Modern MGTOWs are incels who fooled themselves into thinking they are volcels.

(Voluntarily celibate)

(https://i.imgur.com/w9mvEY3.png)[Just look at this "new wave." I received this message today, and it inspired my post, along with the fact that these faggots keep commenting on my videos, and I have to repeatedly clarify that MGTOW is NOT Red Pill!]

Just go onto this guys profile. He posts on MGTOW and Braincels, and gets upvotes on both.

AND in the end, they're all a bunch of crazy ass niggas who have these crazy delusions and fantasies which is why they will never be red pill, because they choose not to operate in reality, as the truth is too painful for them.

They are weak.

Do not fall for their propaganda.

They are losers who want others to quit the game with them.

Unless you wanna fuck body pillows and sex dolls for the rest of your life, just ask turdflingingmonkey...


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Title MGTOWS Are Incels In Disguise: Don't Fall For It
Author LiveAFTSOV
Upvotes 0
Comments 162
Date 11 July 2018 08:47 PM UTC (1 year ago)
Subreddit TheRedPill
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/51369
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/8y39ti/mgtows_are_incels_in_disguise_dont_fall_for_it/
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[–]CapnPoot140 points141 points  (34 children) | Copy

Not sure where you got this idea from. There has definitely been an influx of incels in MGTOW, but the sub, for the most part, is made up of dudes that do just fine with girls, but just realized the current marketplace is ridiculous.

I move around the bro subreddits, and for the most part, they are all talking about the same problem, but have a different approach. RedPill tries to play the rigged game as best as possible, Incels complain the game is rigged, MGTOW just dont bother playing a game thats rigged, MRA’s try to fix the rigged game. That’s the general idea.

As for MGTOW being incel as a majority... youre pretty wrong on that. The memes are just supplementary to the horror stories that people share about how dangerous it is to be serious with a girl these days. If you disagree, look at Henry Cavill - he just admitted in an interview that he is afraid to date normally. Think about that for a second - superman is literally afraid of women.

And personally, I know too many people who have been bled dry by girls, shit on, accused of rape, cheated on, etc - all the way from Chad to Timmy. So the main point of MGTOW isnt to bitch about not getting girls - its about warning people that these days, thanks to the lack of societal checks and balances, women on average are not just insane, but fucking insane.

[–]blownnnn50 points51 points  (9 children) | Copy

Yeah, OP is flat out wrong. If your attractive or girls get obsessed with you, you realize just how bad society lets them getaway with things. MGTOW is a sound argument and understandable. Having a woman (or a bunch) try to ruin your life over a slight and/or a rejection can traumatize a person.

Incels are just inexperienced men who have been hurt and want to experience love. They are lashing out to be heard because they can't handle rejection, can't express themselves because they are shunned by society and have social weaknesses.

[–]Rian_Stone-5 points-4 points  (8 children) | Copy

it's got internal logic, that doesn't make it sane. I've spent a little time with Turd flinging monkey, one of the more popular MGTOW. Our local shrink Dr. Smith actually worried about his safety for engaging with him, and suggested we all avoid shattering his carefully crafted 'logic'

[–]ComradeDurdenTRP12 points13 points  (7 children) | Copy

"Our local shrink Dr. Smith actually worried about his safety for engaging with him, and suggested we all avoid shattering his carefully crafted 'logic'"

Out of curiosity, what exactly prompted him and the rest of you to worry for your personal safety?

I've seen some of TFM's most seminal videos on YouTube. I don't share his passion for sex dolls, nor think his idea of repealing the 19th is feasible. However, he's got some decent content on developing an IDGAF outlook on life and how to find your own personal mission. Something TRP can no doubt get behind

Otherwise, the guy's got his YouTube channel, streams on Twitch, advocates self-improvement (not to the same degree as TRP, mind) and that's about it from the looks of it

If you've got some inside knowledge about how he and the other MGTOW are leading men astray w/ their worldview, by all means, do share

[–]Rian_Stone0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

There’s no institutional influence that would instill the ability to exchange imaginary affection with an inanimate object. I can wrap my head around owning an elaborate sex toy, and I don't care what another man does with his time, but a proxy for a give-and-take human relationship is troubling, and I wouldn't advocate for it.

If you've got some inside knowledge about how he and the other MGTOW are leading men astray w/ their worldview, by all means, do share

I'll tell you my thoughts, but I give two shits what any of you do with your lives. As for the worry... I'd say a vast majority of hate mail I get on the various platforms are MGTOW/incel types. At their peak I was getting a few a week. I'm not concerned about getting shot of some crap, but some idiot harassing friends and family isn't something I would gladly walk into either.

My only concern was shattering that worldview (society made me love the doll). it's a narcissistic injury and the only response I would get back is rage. 4chan has taught me what people on the spectrum do when motivated by a villan and a calling.

[–]ComradeDurdenTRP4 points5 points  (5 children) | Copy

Fair enough. I'd suggest checking out the likes of Colttaine, Thinking Ape (Stardusk), and perhaps HuMAN as examples of sane MGTOW content producers. Colttaine in particular has some well-researched and insightful videos regarding historical, economical, and biological data that TRP members might find useful.

AFAIK Colltaine rides motorcycles and bangs Tinder hoes, whereas HuMAN is in his early 40s, has an LTR, and doesn't look like an obese basement dwelling goblin (you see his face in some of the later videos).

I concur that the present-day MGTOW movement is a shadow of its former self. u/Thotwrecker mentions somewhere in this thread how the philosophy itself is sane (focus on becoming the best version of yourself vs. supplicating to females); however, one can truly claim to be a MGTOW after they've had sufficient success in their personal and romantic lives. A man who's in the top 5% deciding to 'go his own way' to focus on his business or passions after getting fed up w/ how vapid the majority of women are makes perfect logical sense.

For the 95% of men who currently proclaim to be MGTOW, tho, the label is simply an excuse not to try. They speak of the high achievements we as men can accomplish w/ enough drive and perseverance, yet most are content to stay at home, watch anime, play video games, and jerk off to porn/bang sex dolls...

[–]Rian_Stone7 points8 points  (4 children) | Copy

Heh, 18 year old mgtow make me laugh

Naw. Fam, you're just a virgin

[–]CapnPoot0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Read more content, and youll see how a lot of new members are young guys fresh out of strings of terrible relationships.

The sub isnt for virgins or incels - although everyone is welcome - it is about guy trying to appreciate themselves and not lock their self worth to any one thing, especially women.

[–]Rian_Stone-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

That's the difference. We have rule 0 and they can fuck right off

[–]CapnPoot1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Can you elaborate, im not sure what you mean

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (3 children) | Copy

Also we dont mind the incels, we hope to change the way they think so they to can live a peaceful life. But in the end they can choose to listen or not.

[–]CapnPoot7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is a very fair point that doesnt get any attention, unfortunately. Incels are upset and frustrated, and it is understandable. The best we could hope to do is show people that women dont define a persons self worth.

[–]ntvirtue2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Incels are awesome.....less competition.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

We aren't blue pilled like TRPers are

[–]cobaltcolander6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

Great post. I like the way you curtly summarized MGTOW, redpill, incel and MRA. Well done.

[–]CapnPoot9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thank you. Im always confused why every one of the bro subs shit on eachother, since they all have the same goal in mind.

Allowing the topic of women to separate us just gives in to the divide & conquer strategy feminism uses against us.

[–]Rian_Stone2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Not sure where you got this idea from

Every idiot who comes in here and say exactly what OP is talking about. the ones who stay in the sub are like the ones that stay here. never see em in 2xx running their mouth

[–]p3n1x0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Think about that for a second - superman is literally afraid of women.

A hollywood D-bag. Why insult Superman like that?

[–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp-2 points-1 points  (15 children) | Copy

MRA’s try to fix the rigged game.

MRAs are trying to fix the wrong problem. You can't fix the rules without fixing the men first, b/c the men who set up the rules are BP.

So the main point of MGTOW isnt to bitch about not getting girls

If that's the main point of MGTOW, why is their place of congregation filled with bitching about getting girls and memes.

I know too many people who have been bled dry by girls, shit on, accused of rape, cheated on, etc - all the way from Chad to Timmy.

So were the men of TRP. MGTOW is escapism, perpetual anger phase to feel better about themselves.

[–]Hellmannscide8 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy

It isn't though, were you not there a week or so ago when everyone was posting their cars. How about the all the posts that are literally travel shots?

[–]askmrcia2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Exactly.

How about we flip this to the red pill. If the redpill is about "self improvement" then why the hell do we see so many post about field reports of dudes bragging how they banged a tinder or bar thot? Or the countless posts about getting women in general (IE lifting will get you all the girls).

That comes across as putting pussy on a pedestal more than anything.

Both subs (like all subs) have a few posts that goes off the rails.

[–]-uftw-4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

TRP is mainly about sexual strategy. Read the sidebar.

[–]kagetsuki320 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Some years before the new forma of the red pill, the pill was about self improvement + sexual strategy. Now it's all about sexual strategy.

[–]CapnPoot2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

Thanks for responding in an organized way. My rebuttal:

MRAs are trying to fix the wrong problem. You can't fix the rules without fixing the men first, b/c the men who set up the rules are BP.

I disagree. I see TRP as fixing a symptom, not the root cause. That is fine short term, but what happens in the long term is that men have to learn to deal with women’s innate insanity, which only gets crazier. A perfect example is Israel: the women are practically men, the divorce rate is one of the highest in the world, and every guy gets cheated on and divorce raped. BUT - the men all act like Chad, because they have “adapted”. This post-apocalyptic future is where we are headed if we don’t push back against feminism, or as the MGTOW do, walk away. Starve the beast is their approach.

If that's the main point of MGTOW, why is their place of congregation filled with bitching about getting girls and memes.

You must have skimmed one or two threads, because there are many threads about people talking about daily activities, goals, etc. Also, most threads arent about not getting girls, but about getting girls and paying the price of dating a societally unchecked woman.

So were the men of TRP. MGTOW is escapism, perpetual anger phase to feel better about themselves.

False. It is actually the opposite. MGTOW is about disarming hostility, much like TRP, but instead of teach people how to game girls, it teaches them that they should understand the insanity, and choose to focus on bettering themselves instead of tying their self-worth to a women, which society has shoved down our throats through years of indoctrination and Disney.

[–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

This post-apocalyptic future is where we are headed if we don’t push back against feminism, or as the MGTOW do, walk away. Starve the beast is their approach.

You want to fix women by en-masse walking away from them so they'll see their mistakes. This will never work. Women in general lack the ability to facilitate a system wide reflection (how many self proclaimed feminists know ONE feminist philosopher?), women don't want to be bothered with self-reflection on their personal choices and finally, which is probably the most important thing here - you can't force people to change if they don't want to change themselves.

"Oh look 50% of the men went their own way, whatever, let's fuck the top 10 of the remaining half." - this is what's going to happen if you follow trough. There will be no system wide change, b/c it's the men who set up the laws that enable BP and feminism. Fix the men and the women will follow the trend.

most threads arent about not getting girls, but about getting girls and paying the price of dating a societally unchecked woman.

Start a forum about how guns are dangerous to people who never learned to handle guns. Complain that guns are dangerous b/c there are many examples of people who got injured while handling a gun without having learned how to.

much like TRP, but instead of teach people how to game girls, it teaches them that they should understand the insanity, and choose to focus on bettering themselves instead of tying their self-worth to a women

So, basically MGTOW is like TRP, we do the same things, with the exception that we pull girls and you don't. If that's the case, why don't you add one more thing to the routine?

[–]Endorsed Contributorsadomasochrist0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You basically just outlined what happened in Japan. Basically women would rather die the cat lady than fuck weak men.

[–]CapnPoot0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

1) If the top 10% want to deal w craziness, thats fine. But eventually the craziness will catch up. Henry Cavill is top 0.01%, and the fact that hes scared is very telling.

2) There are people who dont want to handle a gun for the very reason you explained, and that is perfectly ok. Also, your analogy would be more accurate if the gun in question would backfire every 2 rounds.

3) Because the last step is the major point of anguish for most people who go MGTOW. The sub has no hate against RedPill, the only difference is that they believe that “holding frame” indefinitely is not worth the effort. Its a matter of preference is my point, and fully understandable. I believe this the same way I think being RedPill is understandable, as long as the person is aware that they will live a lifetime of trying to hold frame and likely get divorce raped by a women they believed they had under control.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

MGTOW is fixing men with an even simpler formula than TRP. Modern women are prostitutes way overcharging for pussy. Don’t buy.

why is their place of congregation filled with bitching about getting girls

Becuase men are born to be addicted to pussy. You need reminders why it isn’t worth it. Think of it like Pussyholics Anonymous. Of course in mutual support you spend time discussing why you don’t want it, so the first whiff of moist pussy doesn’t lure you back in.

MGTOW is escapism,

So is TRP. Being a PUA is no less escapism than MGTOW. So MGTOW says “fuck it pussy isn’t worth it.” TRP says well “I still want the pussy even if the whole relationship thing is a lie.”

You spend time at the gym, hold frame, pass shit tests, dark triad, spend time PUAing why? To plug into the ole thot meat socket once in a while? Some dudes just conclude that isn’t the lifestyle for them.

[–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

You spend time at the gym, hold frame, pass shit tests, dark triad, spend time PUAing why?

Because I like the challenge. Because I take the risks. And compared to Sadomasochrist I'm pretty vanilla about it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Exactly, personal reasons. Even though the relationship thing is bs, you personally find subjective value in being a PUA. Many wouldn’t.

[–]Endorsed Contributorsadomasochrist0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Why are you paying the game that way then? Be the "loser" hot girls kill each other and cheat on their husbands for.

That isn't escapism, it's exploiting female arousal.

It's a cheat code to life.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That isn't escapism

Of course it’s escapism. Its simple physical gratification. That’s all. A hobbie, a sport, in other words an escape. Trying to inflate it into something other than that, like it has some “life meaning” just to get laid, is just sad.

It's a cheat code to life.

Well that’s the meaning of “life” to you OK.

Why are you paying the game that way then?

Acting like a loser is a stretch roll for me. Too fucking driven. It’s easier to get girls panting for me by being awesome.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMetalgear2220 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

This comment needs to be stickied. Spot on. TRP is about rising above the increased difficulty of dating in the internet-driven era, while throwing all excuses out the door and working your motherfucking ass off to become a better person in as many aspects as possible. Anyone that has success with TRP will tell you that when you're Chad to a girl, incel and MGTOW is laughable.

They won't make life tougher for you, they'll make it easier.

There's no "putting up" with a girl that thinks you're Chad, there is only, "what value do I want to grant this girl the opportunity to give me."

[–]CapnPoot0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Read my comment that is right below yours. I have been with plenty of fire girls, and I have turned down the last two years of girls because of the insanity that comes with it. There are plenty of guys on MGTOW that have very similar stories.

[–]strikethrough12328 points29 points  (0 children) | Copy

There's a difference between opting out of the game after you've won it multiple times than choosing to never play.

[–]smacthyhart 1 points [recovered]  (5 children) | Copy

Why does everyone think it is a bad thing for men to avoid women, TRP tells men to endure all of women's shit tests in order for a chance to fuck them. When men do this, they are subjecting themselves to unnecessary stress and emotional manipulation. Shit tests are biological and unavoidable, except if you choose to avoid them. One surefire way to avoid being manipulated in any way is to increase your self confidence and mental strength through things like meditation and healthy hobbies. Since women have a large number of options to choose from via social media, they are mostly looking for free food and entertainment.
Hookers are looked down upon in this sub but, you guys also advocate that men be the best beta bux they can be. Is it gay, weird, retarded or stupid for a man to want to conserve his time, money and energy. If yes then why because, I think the people who shame MGTOW are lacking something that makes them unable to see other people's point of view. When you are a girls betabux you become weak, if you think you can become an alpha by reading you are wrong. I understand the hate for MGTOW but, it is very confusing because if more men walk away from the dating game there will be more options for the men who keep playing.

If a man chooses to stay single or celibate why is it anyone else's job to tell them that they are living the wrong way. If you are saying being a betabux is beneficial in any way besides sex you are wrong.

[–]Hjalmbere 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy

Whatever floats your boat man. I think OP’s post is about bitter guys who can’t get laid and are afraid of self improvement, hence they resort to calling themselves MGTOW. You seem to imply that any kind of courtship involves huge economical investments. It’s actually possible to get laid without paying for dinners and drinks.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy

It's more so getting married and having basically no rights when you get divorced. Personally dont mind spending money on dates.

[–]Hjalmbere 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

I feel you brother. Been there, done that. Luckily I had an airtight prenup. Wouldn’t recommend anyone to get married.

[–]ozenmacher[🍰] 20 points21 points  (0 children) | Copy

There is still some of that good MGTOW content on REDDIT, and on YT as well. I just wish the forum had more endorsed contributors like RP does to separate the wheat from the chaff. Whatever people may say, there is an overlap between MGTOW and RP. I do agree that most of it, however, has been overrun by the INCELs, which is sad.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (5 children) | Copy

I saw that little note about "dont get me started on mra's" What exactly is the problem with mens rights activists? Not having a go at you, it was just suprising to me that you have that opinion. If you look at leftist SJW's then they are divorced from reality, all talk no action, delisional, self righteous and self entitled. If MRA acted like that then I would no longer associate with them. But men, in particular boys, are facing serious problems, from gender confusion, lack of father figures, complete denigration of masculinity, outright favouritism of females, but worst of all is that all of these come from the system itself which leads to boys thinking these kinds of things are normal, which leads to a generation of bp men. Most bp men and boys either simply dont know about these problems or fail to appreciate the gravity of them, so help me understand how do you think activism is bad, so long as 1. the cause is just and addresses a genuine need 2. The minds of the people involved are tied to reality 3. It is backed by action and effort

[–]Lateralanouncer28 points29 points  (7 children) | Copy

Being divided is what makes us men weak.

[–]votedMosthated 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy

it aint going to get any better any time soon. the term "incel" is another term of division because it's being used in a derogatory fashion and also kicking men who are already on the ground

[–]cobaltcolander14 points15 points  (2 children) | Copy

I will never understand how mainstream and accepted it has become to ridicule people who can't find a mate, as if that were some character flaw.

It seriously boggles my mind the fact that this sort of derogatory mindset is so widely accepted. For the record, I'm not an incel, though I used to be some 30 years ago. But that doesn't mean I can't empathize with them.

[–]paprikk4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

For the record, I'm not an incel, though I used to be some 30 years ago. But that doesn't mean I can't empathize with them.

Actually, that means you absolutely can empathize with them. Since you used to be one. So was I, to some extent.

But there are plenty of men who are born attractive. Who have girlfriends in high school, college, etc. These men will never be able to empathize at all.

[–]kagetsuki321 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

society is currently anti males. Don't know if its for the sake of their globalism or whatever, but they will use anything they can to attack and undermine men.

[–]futmut 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

especially when you consider that Rpillers themself are mostly made by Incels coping hard...They work hard to improve their life so they can score an obese 2/10 girl which is pretty pathetic if you ask me...And if that wasnt unfortunate enough they even brag about it and pretend to understand the world since they finally got pussy..

[–]Do not send modmail to my personal inboxCrazyHorseInvincible[M] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Well, by all means do not let us interrupt the misery you have chosen.

Bye Felicia.

[–]Robin2Fast2Furious28 points29 points  (2 children) | Copy

I don’t understand the amount of hate against MGTOW in TRP recently. This post seems like a female mental tactic. It’s like you’re a woman that’s manipulating two male groups to go against each other. But in reality, both groups go hand-in-hand actually.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It's because we dont give a shit.

[–]stat149014 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy

The only reason incels have become so mainstream is because people continues to lie about the importance of genetics. Everywhere, even here, it’s often lied about. With open hypergamy, women will chose men who lift and have game and money.... but they will also often pick the cream of the crop genetic wise (looks and height).

[–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro11 points12 points  (5 children) | Copy

And you focused on them and spent time writing his because what exactly?

[–]3LiveAFTSOV-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy

1.) They sent me a "recruitment" letter

2.) Incels is a toxic and destructive mentality and I don't want others to be persuaded to quit

3.) Annoyance

[–]modTheRedPike[M] 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

1.) They sent me a "recruitment" letter

Wait, what?

[–]3LiveAFTSOV0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

[–]magx013 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

'They' or one guy?

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Some of them are, some of them aren't. Not every man is as accepting of women's nature and these men choose to avoid rather than fuck women. They arent turned on by that playful, cocky, crazy, flaky demeanor the women have so they choose to not pursue them. There's a lot of incel and black pill types that have hijacked that subreddit since theirs was closed.

Some of them are fat nerds in the basement while others are simply men in their 40's who already have kids and dont need to fuck around. I always encourage young ones under 25 to not embrace MGTOW before they at least try red pilling and personal development.

[–]w1nter_sky40 points41 points  (26 children) | Copy

MGTOW is not Incel. Incels want women but can't get them, MGTOW don't. It's that simple.

However as a MGTOW and Red Pill (yes, MGTOW philosophy falls under Red Pill whether you like it or not), I can understand your conclusion to an extent, because a true Incel who has just given up, could claim online that they are MGTOW, but if you ever met them IRL, it would be painfully obvious what the truth is.

And as for your inspiration for this post, that is literally one guy, who, judging by his name, probably fits into the scenario I mentioned. I still wouldn't say it is fair to label the entirety of MGTOW as the new Incel, the ideology behind it is completely different.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy

Just wrong. Many of the so called mgtow are young men, who barely have any life experience, let alone experience with women. For a sub that is ostensibly against the idea of dating women and see them as a base desire, they sure spend too much time griping about them. I don't really see it as a self improvement sub like this one. Those guys are under a strong delusion. I guess the constant griping is a daily diet that will prevent guys from faltering and going back to the plantation, as they say.

[–]w1nter_sky28 points29 points  (5 children) | Copy

Have to disagree with you there buddy. Most MGTOW do have life experience, which lead them to the path of MGTOW. Divorce rape, cheating and monkey branching, false accusations, psycho-bitches, you name it.

Yes, there are younger men getting into it too. Ever heard the quote "Only a fool learns from his own mistakes. The wise man learns from the mistakes of others". That is what they are doing. They are turning away from the high risk/low reward of chasing after women and focusing on themselves first. There is nothing wrong with that.

Also, on the topic of the subs themselves, you are right, it is not a self-improvement sub. I see it more as a sub warning of the dangers of dealing with women.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

I agree that the early mgtow individuals have gone through a lot of trauma. I am talking about the new young mgtow. A lot of them are jumping onto the movement as a way for them to reign in on the intense rage and contempt they have for women. If they were truly mgtow, they wouldn't have to flaunt that out to people. Again, it's like people having to tell others that they don't care what other people think of them. At the bottom of everything and past the theatrics, many of them do care. The slightest interaction with women will catapult them back to the much dreaded plantation that they harp on about. Many of them are brittle.

[–]w1nter_sky2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

You are right, but I think that is more due to the younger generation themselves. Kid's are growing up more and more spoiled with everything handed to them. And they think just calling themselves MGTOW is enough.

But MGTOW itself doesn't have anything inherently wrong with it, and painting it the way OP does is wrong. Although, reading back on the post he seems to be mostly upset about the sub itself, which I'll agree has its flaws, but it is no where near the level he believes it to be.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I get what you are saying. A lot of the young ones (I am young not to shit on my fellow cohort) just want the label for the sake of having a label.

[–]Rian_Stone1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

People have two reasons for everything. theirs the reason they tell you, and then there's the real reason.

[–]Asianthrowaway11231 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You really think that the majority of MGTOWs have actually been divorce raped or falsely accused? We should do a poll or something because I highly doubt it.

[–]GeneRD7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Read 4 levels of mgtow.

Mgtow operates under redpill awareness. What you probably see are the "noise" type of users, the one's participates without practicing what is being taught.

It's same as people here that bitches and moan without ever reading the sidebar.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil-1 points0 points  (16 children) | Copy

This cult gave up on women by castrating itself physically. Your doing the same by castrating yourself spirituality.

You must be so proud to follow in their tradition!

[–]w1nter_sky18 points19 points  (14 children) | Copy

And you must be proud to have pussy as the center of your life!

But in all seriousness, no one is saying MGTOW can't and don't have sex. Few have relationships and they handle it with the red pill. The reason many don't bother with women and relationships in general is because of what gynocentrism is doing to the west. Honestly MGTOW wouldn't even be a thing if it wasn't for that and feminism holding society by the balls. And until there is a change of direction, MGTOW will just continue to grow.

And I'll be honest with you, I want to have a family eventually. But right now? Odds are stacked WAY against me. It's not worth the risk. So I'm GMOW.

[–]Hellmannscide1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You can have a family, it is expensive, but you can do it

[–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

The reason many don't bother with women and relationships in general is because of what gynocentrism is doing to the west

This is the typical reason given by MGTOW and I don't buy it. The need for "women and relationships in general" is a basic need of the male condition, the idea of being able to "not bother with it" would be pretty impressive if it were true. Even stranger is that the best reason you found is politics?? It's like stumbling on a guy saying he "don't bother" with water because of what water companies are doing to society.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil-5 points-4 points  (2 children) | Copy

If you actually wanted to have a family you would have moved outside of the west and had one. That's not the issue. The issue is that you want to stay in the west and be an untermensch pleasure whore.

That's what MGTOW is actually all about being an untermensch pleasure whore.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

A nigga's this close to illegally emigrating to Mexico...

[–]Hellmannscide1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I am considering illegally immigrating to the US even though I am American.

[–]kurdishpower01 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy

And you must be proud to have pussy as the center of your life

And you must be proud to not have it anywhere in your life.

Seen the pyramid of maslow? Pussy is a need and it increases your position in a social group with males.

The reason many don't bother with women and relationships in general is because

because I don't have the ability to do it.

Honestly MGTOW wouldn't even be a thing if it

it wasn't for weak males creating a group to justify their mental problems.

MGTOW will just continue to grow

Females are masculinzing and males get feminized. More weak men with a 'red cough black pilled' mindset = More mgtow.

And I'll be honest with you, I want to have a family eventually.

That's weird.. you sure you want to spill your precious body fluids?

Odds are stacked WAY against me. It's not worth the risk.

Mentally you are already sabotaging yourself.

[–]w1nter_sky 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy

It's funny how many "Red Pill" men on here like to use the shaming tactics of women. You're "argument" against my person has no basis in facts, you are merely projecting.

[–]n0oo70 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Best way to make sure that your cult dies out, make sure your members can't have kids lol.

[–]rooster-one417 points18 points  (0 children) | Copy

These are all legs of the same chair... To reduce one makes the entire chair unusable. To say there is only one true way is silly, and using shaming tactics on other men because they think differently of a feminist trait.

[–]ramfex216 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

MGTOW is a great philosophy if approached correctly. As far as I am concerned MGTOW is under the umbrella of TRP and the major difference is that they don’t get into LTR’s, get married, cohabit and for the most part have kids. Many MGTOW still follow TRP principles. They do have sex if they wish. Many do spin plates but take it no further. There is much better MGTOW content on YT that there is RP content in general.

But yes, incels exist there as they do here I’m sure! If the sub was moderated correctly and had some decent post rules it could be a fantastic place for men. However, angry incels do end up posting shit hating women etc. there are no rules there and in my opinion that is the main problem at the sub. Personally I spend 50/50 between the two subs.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I tried to post content there blaming men as well and got banned. They seem to have a mod or two there that shouldn't be in charge. The fact of the matter is a MAN is responsible for his own destiny and has to forge his own path. Nobody is going to hold his hand or swoop down and "save him" like happens to women. There's a subset of men on there that loathe the idea of personal growth and discipline, and just want to sit around, smoke pot, get fat, and masturbate and rationalize it away as being just fine while still whining that no women want them. These men seem to resent men who put in the discipline to clean up their diets and better themselves. Like anything it's going to be a mixed bag of people that represent the movement. You are right they need better mods.

[–]michaelmindset 1 points [recovered]  (5 children) | Copy

LOL...Fuck the red pill. Y’all live your life for the pussy. I saw a post on MGTOW yesterday about a guy that sold his business and is now traveling the world. Personally I’m aiming for that lifestyle too, keep chasing your thots on tinder. And @mallard enjoy writing about it. Y’all are pussy whipped.

[–]tilnewstuff0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I saw a post on MGTOW yesterday about a guy that sold his business and is now traveling the world.

I traveled the world. I did it alone and I did it with women. The latter is infinitely better. Sharing the world with a great and sophisticated lady is like no other experience, honestly.

[–]bobaisdope0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Would you care to share more your experience? I'm currently aiming to do some intensive travels besides my business, it would be great if you could share some tips on traveling with a partner or alone.

[–]tilnewstuff0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Absolutely! I love to share.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

If you get a vasectomy there's really no reason not to enjoy women while traveling the world.. the only danger is STDs and they can be managed. Many MGTOW are simply afraid to talk to women and have approach anxiety. They can't accept the simple fact that men are wired to be pursuers and women don't pursue. They can't accept AWALT. They think they'll find that nice wholesome girl who will "save them" and they'll live happily ever after. Unfortunately it doesn't work that way.

You take two men.. one is a red pill traveling the world, and the other is MGTOW.. you can't tell me the MGTOW doesn't feel sexual frustration and urges in the same situations where the red pill man would put on the moves, enjoy some great sex, and then move on. MGTOW are constantly fighting their biology while red pillers are reveling in it.. that's the difference I see. I see MGTOW as to a degree like the conspiracy nuts that want to watch the world burn because they can't accept mother nature for what it is.. life is SO NOT FAIR! No shit it's not fair... if you step back and look at mother nature animals are cruel to each other. Evolution is about spreading our seed to the species doesn't go extinct. That's our primary purpose. That's what DNA drives us to do.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

can't get over how whiny and weak you sound lol

[–]Me_ADC_Me_SMASH4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Think about how much money and time you spend chasing pussy you clown.

[–]AshyLarry272 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

MGTOW's at least put in effort to self improve. Incels just call it quits for every aspect of life. To sit here and say incels are a step better is stupid. Regardless, both are defeatist mindsets that shouldn't have time wasted discussing them here

[–]something_thoughtful3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Sounds like you are just jealous they can live a productive life without chasing women or getting pussy. It's a mindset, not a movement.

[–]animuscuriae2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

I feel like this is a plant by feminists and/or Russian spies to divide us.

We’re all on the same side promoting men’s rights.

Let’s not squabble over a nonissue.

[–]SMRII1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This. Eapecally after his little MRA comment.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

You wasted so much time writing this? Lol and you still dont know what a MGTOW is.

[–]3LiveAFTSOV1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Was about 10 mins Typing + 10 mins editing

If I at least persuaded one young man to not throw his life away out fear of failure, I'm happy

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm afraid men who chase women religiously are the ones throwing their lives away. It's a shame you are so blind.

[–]chaseexcellence9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy

I am 50% RP and 50% MGTOW. I have not had a woman screw me over, but MGTOW makes some good points. MGTOW will say to look at Brad Pitt, he is the top 1% of men and Angelina Jolie tried to destroy him in the public arena. He is top Alpha. You cannot out Alpha the system.

MGOTW men have a lot of divorced men who can share countless stories about being screwed over. My advice to you is to copy and paste your post into the MGTOW reddit and Incel reddit (If they have one). You can see what arguements they have for you. It may bebest for you to get their opinion on their reddit forums.

[–]tilnewstuff-3 points-2 points  (1 child) | Copy

he is the top 1% of men and Angelina Jolie tried to destroy him in the public arena.

Huh? She just filed for divorce citing irreconcilable differences, how did she try to "destroy" him? Brad said afterward that he quit drinking and substance abuse. He still refers to her as his 'partner' and says they focus on raising their kids despite what happened.

[–]chaseexcellence4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

yeah...she broke him. No man can be married to a woman and not have her control/manipulate him. You cannot outalpha a woman in the long run. Woman are very calculating and manipulative. Look at Mel Gibson and his drunken call rant to his ex wife. That is an Alpha who got screwed over by a woman. The best players/chads/puas cannot out maneuver a woman in the long run.

[–]Endorsed ContributorThotwrecker10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

MGTOW, like many things, is fine when applied with an alpha mentality, by an alpha. Alpha here defined as a sexually successful male who's high SMV and can with 100% honesty know he can get high value girls.

Now the problem is that literally every MGTOW I've ever met, the MGTOW philosophy (again, sound philosophy for alphas) was attracted to MGTOW because it makes them feel better about themselves. It feeds their hamster. They liked MGTOW precisely because they cant effortlessly get women.

You have to have abundance with women in order for eschewing women to mean anything. If you don't have abundance mentality - or you know what, fuck abundance mentality, if you don't have ABUNDANCE, then what the fuck are you talking about "I'm not focusing on women" -- you have no women to focus on regardless, you're just continuing existence as usual.

PUA is a program that will force social and personal growth if you actually do it. Go out and socialize with hot girls / cool dudes 3 nights a week, while trying to generate attraction and pull girls, and in 1 year, you'll know how to vibe, how to converse, how to flirt, how to handle objections and drama, and how to be a salesmen. How to not be a little bitch in front of women. You may not be a Chad or natural yet, but you'll have personal growth.

There IS personal growth in MGTOW, but there is ZERO personal growth for all of you lame-ass, low n-count dudes who weren't fucking women anyway. You're not going through anything - the PUA guy is going through rejection, he's going through struggle, and he's going to improve if he stays the course and isn't a total autist. But the MGTOW? You're hamstering like "oh instead of women I'll develop my startup, I'll write my book, I'll... " nah, you'll just do what you anyways did before, but just feel better about it.

MGTOW is only useful if you're highly ambitious, financially successful, and you honestly are getting too much pussy and focusing too much on the pussy in your life. Juggling too many plates. Someone like, say, Elon Musk. Elon Musk needs to go MGTOW because he's too fucking retarded to manage his bitch properly or learn to not marry the hoes, and going MGTOW will enable him to fix tesla's production problems before my tesla stock loses more value. Fucker needs to forget he has a penis/heart for a decade and be like Tesla who presumably inspires him.

But you? You don't need to go MGTOW. You need to stop being a bitch and get enough pussy to where pussy loses it's hold over you, and then you will naturally reach an equilibrium where pussy can't sway or distract you.

[–]3LiveAFTSOV5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's almost like you're implying MGTOWs face every fear except speaking with women.

Putting pussy on a pedestal.

Eloquently put.

And that touch on Elon, and who he's inspired by,

That was a nice analogy. Makes sense to me.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

I was kicked out of MGTOW sub. They aren't as tolerant as they call themselves. All their posts are circle jerking. I love GMOW but people in there are just fucking toxic.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Who the fuck is downvoting these fax? Fucking incels! Get off my board! REEEEEEEEEE

[–]wisty2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

You've got it backwards. Incels are MGTOWs in denial.

MGTOWs know they can get laid if they just up their game. Even if they're ugly losers (and yeah, I bet quite a few are). They're making a choice not to pursue women. This is not an entirely invalid choice, and as long as they're OK with it it's not my business. Incels are going their own way, but they're whinging about the choice they made.

Now seriously, fuck your noise about "3/10 losers". Take it to the nice guys sub if you want to bitch about how incels would get laid if they were nicer guys. It's not about looks (though they help a bit). It's not about "real confidence". It's not about being a real nice guy. The only essential step towards success with women is approaching them until you figure out what works (and there's some tips on the sidebar here), everything else just raises your success rate a little. Incels refuse to take that step because "muh anxiety" and "I'm uggo so they say no" or even "feminists said it's harassment". Yes some of them actually claim they're taking advice from feminists (who they openly despise) rather than admitting they just don't want to approach women because they're a little stuck in a rut.

Cletus with 3 teeth and no job does just fine with women. Looks and success would get him better women, but just getting with women in his league just takes the balls to say "hi cousin, wanna netflix and chill?". Ugly losers with shit personalities get with women all the time, their secret is not being a little bitch and making the effort to approach.

Incels just refuse to accept that it's not their looks that are really holding them back, it's not their wealth or even their personality, it's just that they refuse to approach women. They're men going their own way, but they want to validate their choice by pretending they have some bullshit victim status.

MGTWOs are happier because they understand that they've made a choice, and are happy enough with the consequences. Incels are unhappy because they refuse to admit they're making a choice and focus on the downsides of their decision without admitting that they enjoy other aspects of it (not dealing with women, not having to face rejection, not stressing over how their relationship is going, not having to make compromises in their personal life, etc).

[–]Theprimevoyager6 points7 points  (14 children) | Copy

They are under the umbrella of red pill thinking whether you like it or not. A lot of them are jilted divorcees. They opted out of what they perceive as a raw deal. Some are even Vocel(hate these terms). If a majority if them want nothing to do with women, more power to them. They don't want to play the game. And to me if they are keen on improving themselves as individuals who happen to swear women off, so be it.

[–]3LiveAFTSOV-2 points-1 points  (13 children) | Copy

You didn't read my post. They aren't men who have a ripe picking from females. They are jaded beta bux types who can't adapt themselves into Alpha Fux appeal, so they say "I can get women I just choose not to."

They only get them through beta bux. Which is marriage.

[–]_amazingBastard 1 points [recovered]  (7 children) | Copy

Or maybe life isn’t as simple as you think? Theres more meaning to it than just sex and lifting.

[–]Cultist_of_Mars1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy

Life is about exerting your Will upon the world, not women.

[–]_amazingBastard 1 points [recovered]  (4 children) | Copy

if you have to exert your will externally you're probably a weak person. Willpower is about self control and being able to exist in harmony with the external world

[–]Cultist_of_Mars1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Every single action you consciously make is an exertion of your Will.

[–]_amazingBastard 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy

sometimes, thoughts can stretch to realms beyond your Will

[–]Cultist_of_Mars3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

And that is Representation. Schopenhauers philosophy right there.

[–]187oddfuture1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

But they don't even get chicks through beta bux. Only the most desperate of women would be willing to marry one of these losers for support. These guys are worse than your average BP Beta. They have no value at all because they quit whatever youth sport their dad tried to have them play after a season, then bitched until they got an xbox for their birthday, and then proceeded to spend the entirety of their adolescence playing video games in their room eating mountain dew and doritos. While getting fat and disgusting, they tried to win over a couple of their oneitises in high school, got rejected (obv.), and then went on the internet. They found either the incel sub, the mgtow sub, or the redpill sub, and chose to just check out and go full black pill because it's easier than putting in the work to improve yourself and make yourself high value. Even beta buxes have done something right in that they have enough money or status to attract a chick to marry them (even if it is only for the money and the chick is generally post wall). It's still better than fucking a doll. Fuck that noise.

[–]smacthyhart1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

How is being beta bux beneficial?

[–]187oddfuture-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

The beta only knows beta bux.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Sounds like you are projecting.

[–]futmut 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy

The amount of cope and delusion in this post is extreme...I dont know but i can smell a failed 40+ yrs old fag who desperately try to be relevant...

Keep working hard to slay those obese 2/10 pussy dude, your the best ;)

[–]LiveAFTSOV 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

Have fun being sexless. Post on braincels like you've been doing and not here, please.

[–]morexel 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

My experience in that sub is that there is a tremendous amount of hatred toward women. Revenge fantasies and whatnot. Red pill seems to make a point that it's this way, you can't change it; accept it and live within the constraints of reality.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Its not hate. It's just men talking about things that have happened to them and how to move on. It also has friendly reminders not to give in.

[–]tibikush20121 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

MGTOW are (for the most part) men who cope. It is a coping mechanism. It is far easier for the ego to say "I dont want to" instead of "I can't".

[–]platoonpluto1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

MGTOW and PUA are both just extreme sides of the “Mano sphere” or whatever. Listen to everything but remember to lift and focus on actual life goals

[–]jonpe871 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I can't understand a man that gave up on sex, I understand a man that don't want LTRs, but even if I was the ugliest man with a 2 inch dick and no arms I would suck some tits and game some bitchs to suck me, jesus I love tits.

[–]Demiurge_Decline1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

MGTOW mindset should be reserved for the Tesla's and the Einsteins- truly rare and it is a gift like athleticism and genius. This is the 1%. And its a fact that a true MGTOW can be an alpha or beta but his mind is beyond the procreation/relationship ying yang battle. Incels are the equivalent of the body positive movement without the vagina.

[–]n0oo71 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I though mgotw were just dudes going monk mode?

Damn incels messing everything up.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

One of the starter posts is a guy that eventually mgtow tho ...

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

I've done this topic before as have some others.

Be prepared to be heavily downvoted as well as get your inbox bombarded with angry MGTOWs insulting you or threatening you.

For every MGTOW who has above average SMV and has succeeded with women and went MGTOW in order to "focus on their mission"(which I still think is retarded), you have 1000 who use MGTOW as a way to hamster away their failure with women and their lack of effort to succeed.

I do agree with you that incels are a step above the ladder than MGTOW.

[–]3LiveAFTSOV-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

You weren't kidding about being bombarded.

Had to be said.

[–]Hjalmbere1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Good post. But they closed down the incel subreddit so I guess the refugees had to go somewhere.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Fuck incels. But whatever this post is irrelevant to people in mgtow

[–]AceMav21-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

MGTOWs are fucking weirdos.

[–]bossplayaintraining0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Saw the pic.

The question is... will they do anything that actually means a damn though? Probably not.

All I’ve seen of this is mass shootings & keyboard warrioring, & that just digs them further & further into the ground & stigmatizes them more.

[–]beam_me_up2017 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

MGTOWs make some valid points but ultimately I din't get giving up on getting laid. Fuck that. I love getting pussy too much to ever quit.

I'm in favor of there being fewer men in the SMP. We should be pushing MGTOW to the general public. Like George Carlin said about his support of gays: "more pussy for me."

[–]Nov516050 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

yeah there are def incel doods who can be major debbie downers on the mgtow boards. I remember posting a funny meme i created in honor of all women who have been "hurt" in the past, and it was all pictures of comfortable sex positions if her guy is hung. I got immediately hit with comments by offended incels. Really sucks that we have to walk on eggshells like that because they are as bad as the feminists with that kinda shit

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Well it's a place for men to talk man shit, what did you think was going to happen?

[–]Morphs_0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Like most guys in here I have to disagree. Most MGTOW guys have had a bad experience with AWALT (divorce rape after cheating) and are stuck in the anger phase. They could learn game and become awesome in a TRP sense, but their reasoning is that ANY effort made by a man to improve his SMV, is considered a weak attempt to follow the rules of women.

Incels are simply virgins who think they made effort to improve their SMV, but are simply clueless about it and refuse to drop their ego and just get to work.

What they share is the resentment towards women because they blame their negative feelings on them.

The best use of he MGTOW reddit is to stay sharp on AWALT.

[–]frontiermarine0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

MGTOW = men sent their own way. Learn how to play the game instead of crying about it all day.

[–]abudun790 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

And we have to keep in mind that a lot of MGTOW (and I believe Incels as well) have access to red pill knowledge and still don't get anything accomplished with regards to women.

What I like about both is, that they themselves made sure they won't reproduce. That's a big plus, because usually the useless people reproduce the fastest.

[–]quazimodo_0070 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Generally MGTOW seem like feminists mentally ill!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I don't like this phenomena where some guy is saying, "the other guy can't sex", when he's suppressing the totality of validation that both men and himself are getting from women, even if its bundled up with sex. There are men who identify as MGTOW, PUA, or Red Pill Men that do this, and I think that its not intellectually honest which means that its not good for legitimate truth-seeking. I think when you take it into account that men get more than sex from women and there are men who want more than sex-- even though some of that is a projection of their own idealistic love which gives them pleasure, you get a different and more complex picture of the sexual marketplace, where many men avoid sex because it doesn't carry monogamy to the degree that such a thing can rationally exist between men and women, alongside the male romantic projection onto women that many men just want to find whatever way possible to have, even if it has to exist in a red pill context where it is as unstable as female romantic love can be and often is, and is an illusion that men can only have in temporary moments, which I strongly believe is still going on in red pill men having relationships because of how men are wired towards women, and because they need those temporary moments to retain their sanity in the face of this dark shit. Shame seems to de-intellectualize conversation.

Turd Flinging Monkey used to be an online friend of mine but I think he either got too overloaded with comments or got mad at me for not replying to some of his posts because I haven't got him to talk to me in quite awhile, but I think he's done tremendous work in liberating men from feeling shame for not being in a relationship or having sex, whether voluntary or not, and for the traits of romantic loneliness and libido and taking care of these traits in healthy, non-mainstream ways. Being right there with him, when I had a youtube channel I made a joke video about how my newest pocket pussy was better than his. I've never tried to fuck my body pillow and don't see myself ever doing that, but when I look at some of the topics from TwoX where a woman is wondering if she has been raped, I have felt the same way occasionally with the Fleshlight Launch due to its present control scheme. Honestly I don't want kids, and with the only attractive, dateable women around being single moms which come with serious baggage and are a threat to my resources and freedom, and no desire for casual sex, I'm at a point where I am saving up for a sex doll. To paraphrase the old expression, "Different strokes for different folks, but hopefully with a power button that works immediately."

[–]buttgoogler0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Well, at least they're gathering power to fight feminism, lol.

[–]smacthyhart0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Why does everyone keep using the term incel. It is an evil trigger word that forces people to be insecure.

[–]kagetsuki320 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

What i don't like about mgtow reddit is how weak and defeatist they are. What i don't like about the red pill reddit is how their absolut priority is women, like if there is nothing else of value in life.

[–]simplisticallysimple0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I consider myself MGTOW (no marriage/LTRs), but with the important distinction that I pump and dump girls regularly. Not all MGTOWs are incels, but I certainly understand your argument.

[–]Blink_King0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Some of them are, some of them aren't; There are levels to MGTOW just as there are levels to Red Pill in general.

We all drink from the well of the same knowledge and we each take our own interpretations away from it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

MGTOW seems to be men who have "taken the red pill" (to use the Matrix analogy) and decided that they neither want to fight the system nor be beaten by the system. They just don't want anything to do with it at all.

Mostly it seems to be divorced men and men who could get women but are so disillusioned by seeing reality for what it truly is.

[–]3LiveAFTSOV0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yea exactly hiding in a cave of pleasure with fuck pillows

[–]antifeminist4350 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The fact that the MGTOW say as you indicated "women are not worth the risk" indicates indirectly that MGTOW can get women, but choose not to. Your own quote contradicts your claim.

[–]PimpinAce1750 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

My friend is mgtow and probably crushed more pussy then you ever pretended to get. he knows the real pick up artist shit, not the water down wannabe stuff that is on the red pill now. so have fun spinning your plates at the Golden Corral. you all worship the pussy and put it on the pedestal.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

i thought this was common knowledge

[–]WarViper13370 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I used to watch some MGTOW channels on youtube but those guys just seemed so disconnected from the rest of the world and they always had this vision of how society was going to collapse and they were going to be ones standing there pointing and laughing while it all burns. In essence they have all mentally checked out and attempt to replace their sadness, depression, and other negative feelings with these delusions of how great they are and how human kind is missing out by not choosing them.

[–]Ezaar 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

Oh Lordy what a blender of sadness.

Everybody is a pain in the ass to anyone.

[–]Time_Animal_-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

MGTOWS will love to tell you stories about the two 9/10s (7s) they had sex with 20 years ago....well, the one they had a chance with and totally could have. And now women are all over them. I mean, they're not having sex with them, but they want to be all over them, but he's a strong independent man who don't need no woman.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah because it's gay to be attracted to women. It's rather sad.

[–]AnyDoughnut 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

I believe mgtow and incels share a common problem, they are both involuntary celibate. Mgtows just do a better job at rationalizing why they don't get laid.

I agree with mgtows in some ways, as they do have valid points. The mating game flat out sucks for anything other than top tier men. It is a rigged system. Dating and mating requires a lot of headaches and aggravation for little reward.

Though removing yourself from the mating game is unnatural. We are hard wired with the drive to spill our seed into women. Jerking off to porn isn't a fulfilling substitute.

[–]scruffyshoulders4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

We are all hard wired to kill any competitors. Should we give in to that too? At what point is ignoring our biology worth it when only harm results from indulging?



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