Young Newbies: Stop Trying to Pick Up Women In Bars/Clubs

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July 26, 2018

I've seen so many young guys on a promising path of RP success shoot themselves in the foot by jumping the gun on bars and clubs. They fixate on it for some reason. If you are under 24 and look young, it is highly unlikely that you will see much success in picking up women in bars. These young guys are generally unfamiliar with the bar scene to begin with, they walk in there alone and super nervous, and they subsequently can't work up the nerve to talk to anyone. Not to mention a lack of sexual experience that makes a ONS very difficult for the man to pull off even if a woman was interested. This is a not a helpful exercise and only serves to push men back into beta-game. You have a hit a certain level of physical maturity and psychological fortitude before women in those contexts will immediately be interested in you. If you're under 24, you're hardly even a fully fledged adult and are finding a career and you're not a high value man (yet) by definition. You need to look and act a certain part and have a certain level of sexual experience where you may not be at this point to get consistent results out of the bar or club scene.

All you young guys out there, do yourself a favor and avoid starting out in clubs/bars. Go to large parties, go to college bars or places where the women will be receptive to you, try day approaches, and don't feel the pressure to need to close that same night. When you are just starting out, it is unlikely that you will be able to sleep with a woman on the same night as meeting her. Not that you shouldn't develop the skills but start off with something more manageable and work your way up. Remember that plenty of men have highly successful sex lives without ever picking up a total stranger at a bar and sleeping with her that same night. They just ask women to get a drink later and close that way. You should be focused on having some sex first, then worrying about ONS.

Remember that no where in plate theory does it mention anything about having to pick up women in bars. Or even ONS for that matter. It is only about having multiple options at all times and maintaining non-exclusivity. Focus on that. Don't walk into a bar with an air of horny desperation, every woman there will smell it on you. Ironically, I'm telling you to tone down your RP and just date multiple women normally. Even if its "slow" at first, it will build you up. RP has never been solely about ONS, so take my advice and don't start there.

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Title Young Newbies: Stop Trying to Pick Up Women In Bars/Clubs
Author EscapeTheGoat
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Date 26 July 2018 07:47 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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[–]Mr-Ed20965 points66 points  (13 children) | Copy

Nightlife is dead.

Unless you're going to bars in student towns, most inner city venues are ratio'd highly by men and older women. It's simply too expensive a pastime and most girls who aren't in a big party clique don't really stay out very late at all if they do. If you're going to do it, get out early and talk to girls from the start of the night as most places seem to be a complete dude fest after mid night (basing this on a few major cities around thee world). It kind of eliminates the whole easy lay tactic, that most guys have, of trap girl in conversation and get really drunk with them until the club kicks out and end up back at each others place. For many 'professional' girls a night out is normally 2 overpriced cocktails at some fancy bar followed by maybe going to a club to scope out guys. If neither girl gets any worthwhile attention in say 30mins it's usually grab food and a taxi home. Men on the other hand are desperate and will spend their 1 free night out a week till sunrise hoping against hope that they strike it 'lucky' late on in the club or wherever else.

Obviously theres all amount of party girls and whatever else who'll blow you if you know a place to go do coke after everything shuts - but you don't really want to be going down that road.

If you have the balls, daytime seems to be the place to get numbers these days. Holy shit I was walking around a mall today and the amount of hotties dolled up either working their boring retail jobs or grabbing coffees etc is ridiculous and there are zero men around (probably because they're all at work).

[–]uebermacht9 points10 points  (6 children) | Copy

If you ever been in Berlin, Germany:
Scene is full of young party sluts, some individual bars too but not so much. The city is full of tourists either which is the reason you will find „I am just for one day here“-sluts a lot more you are easily able to pull home or fuck them in the dark corner instead and never see them again.

[–]mrschubi405 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy

Hey I just moved to Berlin. Could you give me a list of your favorite venues or give me any tips?

[–]uebermacht3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

I just PM'ed you.
No need to spread private stuff.

[–]Traitor_joee3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm visiting Berlin for the next week! Can I get in on that PM?

[–]drakehfh1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Hi, I think I will be moving to Berlin too (hopefully). I would appreciate a tip.

[–]SteroidsFreak2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Hold up, slide some info brotha. Sharing is caring ma dude.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

The last week I have gone out 3 nights. After last night, I am basically like fuck it.... it gets too expensive, and buying a beer and overpriced cocktails seems like a fuckin waste of time if I am not getting my helmet cleaned.

[–]TurboEdition2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

This is actually true, at least where I live here in Argentina.

[–]tollemployee1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Conurbano , turras, snuff said

[–]TurboEdition1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Not only turras. But rolingas, chetas and bored middle class girls who can't wait to party hard, get high, get drunk, hop in the dick carroussel and get pregnant(because seems that it's the norm for them). Almost every young argie girls nowadays.

[–]dondave170 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Ive seen this a lot (first paragraph) and I think it's mostly true. Also kind of needed to read this after reading some of the shit in the bouncer thread, lol. Thanks man

[–]bway382 1 points [recovered]  (27 children) | Copy

I live in the 'coolest' part of a city full of sexy women (NYC) and 99 times out of 100 at bars there will only be postwall 5s or 6s at best. Seems like the hotter chicks are either over an alpha's house or in bed early for their spin/yoga class the next day.

[–]420KUSHBUSH32 points33 points  (9 children) | Copy

On some real talk though yoga classes are healthy plus lots of good looking girls there. Best of both worlds, win win situation. Clubs are bottom of the barrel

[–]montclearman67 points68 points  (6 children) | Copy

Coffee shops near hospitals. Thats my go to for the stressed out nurses on lunch breaks.

[–]EscapeTheGoat[S] 81 points82 points  (3 children) | Copy

Speaking as a doctor: you are a wise man.

[–]rp_newdawn12 points13 points  (2 children) | Copy

Come on dude... everyone knows the nurses and social workers are all psycho... the PAs are the way to go

[–]montclearman2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Cant even lie. Taming a somewhat successful overworked lioness is a challenge in itself but rewarding to gain those EXP points

[–]Movinfast11142 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

holy shit thats genius i work next to a hospital

[–]DayGameChirality16 points17 points  (1 child) | Copy

And if you fail to pick up a chick, after a few months of yoga you can blowjob yourself instead.

[–]Flawless4441 points42 points  (7 children) | Copy

Try salsa/bachata clubs. The women there tend to be better but you need to know how to actually dance.

[–]JarHeadJoseph8 points9 points  (5 children) | Copy

How do I learn to dance? It’s never come naturally to me. Should I pay for classes?

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's a good way to learn how to dance and build your network but they are expensive.

[–]Flawless445 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

Depends on how good you want to get. If you go all out, it will teach you a lot more than just leading on the dance floor.

But it is expensive and takes time and practice. 500/month and about 6 months at a ballroom studio.

You can do street style studios and be alright though for about 1/5 of the price.

It doesn't matter if it doesn't come naturally. It becomes natural and fluid with practice.

[–]JarHeadJoseph18 points19 points  (1 child) | Copy

500 a fucking month? The fuck man

[–]TheSuitIsBlack3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Honestly check Youtube. There are tons of free videos with basic moves to advanced steps. It is amazing. Has really improved my dancing and rhythm. Once you have some basic moves, then you can pay to take in person classes.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Salsa/bachata clubs are wondrous. I do this now, but you have to figure out which spots are the best for dancing. Sometimes ladies just go out with the sole purpose of drinking.

[–]Drumcode-Equals-Life10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

They’re busy blowing drugs off the dick of DJs and club owners in the green room to deal with average dudes in the main room from my experience

[–]iknowthewhey5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy

The hotter chicks are at the expensive rooftop bars and clubs. I agree though that it is mostly 5s and 6s at a majority of NYC bars. The hotter girls are generally in a social circle that go to certain upscale places and these girls are generally unavailable to guys outside of their social circle.

[–]harmonicpinch1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

The deceiving thing about NYC is that it is actually tough to truly enter new social circles and build bonds. Very easy to "meet" people, say you'll grab a drink later, etc.

[–]iknowthewhey0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Yea I agree. These social circles stem to wealthy groups of people that you cannot "enter" without having a lot to offer.

[–]harmonicpinch0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah and for myself, personally, the juice isn't worth the squeeze for these types of groups because the whole thing comes off as a high level facade to me. Any socially aware RP type guy knows the kind of way you'd need to act and portray yourself to "get in" and it seems silly. I'd rather do the things I like doing, and if I brush into a solid social circle that likes doing the same thing then I'll give it a go. Generally, the type of girl that likes to go to upscale places in NYC is too vapid for me to be myself around. They value just *being at these places, whereas I try to value the things you can *do in the city.

Basically comes down to changing yourself just to get a taste of the NYC 9. I'd rather ride my own wave.

[–]harmonicpinch2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

If you go out in the classic LES/EV area, there will be plenty of young 6-8's. Because they are young and caught up in the energy, it really isn't that hard to go for it if you're "buying in" to the energy and amplifying it. An example is 13th Step on a Tuesday. $1 beers so the alcohol is flowing. Anyone out on a Tuesday is looking for fun. Not that hard. 230 Fifth to chat up groups of tourists, show them the "real" NYC (whatever that is).

To go for the higher quality, you really need to match with being a high quality person of your own. This can take the form of money, social status, looking good, or just doing cool things. Cool things is the best one of these, because it isn't based on transient qualities. This could be anything from having genuine fun with the crew you are with, or taking interest in a thing where there happen to be other single girls. For example: salsa classes, meetups, after work running clubs.

[–]ajs_rb264 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

You’re definitely going to the wrong bars then lol. I live in nyc and a lot of bars downtown have solid 7-8s to get 8-10s you have to step foot in an actual nightclub which =$$$

[–]harmonicpinch0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

And the upscale club type girls are going to be very vapid and skilled at recognizing the signs that point to money, power, etc. All of the nice and balanced girls I know are not going out to Meatpacking every weekend. Those are the ones with a 3 min IG story and looking to climb the ladder.

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (1 child) | Copy

College bars are a whole nother thing

[–]Luckyluke2315 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy

i have to disagree with this post. telling NOOBIES not to go to bars and clubs is a mistake.

i mean, I assume the noobie is too noobish to get the girl anyway, so why not tell him to go where ALL the girls are so he can practice?

you are telling the dude to go to where the QUALITY women are. IF he is a noobie like i was, he WON'T BE ABLE TO TALK TO AN HB8+ ANYWAY.

I say the best thing to do is go to where A LOT of women are in your area and start there. once you feel confident / had some success THEN go for your target women ( IE: women you like)

[–]untitled566 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy

Where do you recommend meeting women?

[–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (0 children) | Copy

On a serious note, the closest bar to any elementary, middle, or high school on a Friday afternoon.

Particularly in the fall. Those first year teachers miss the carousel from college, are drinking like freshman because of the stress, are lonely in their new environment, have few good friends yet, and are DTF after the constraints of the classroom all week.

This is another classic plate hunting ground., works best in urban areas, but generally applies everywhere, particularly districts with high turnover.

[–]EscapeTheGoat[S] 15 points16 points  (1 child) | Copy

The tip for nurses earlier is definitely worth considering if you have the stones. But in all seriousness, I just talk to people everywhere. Like at concerts, or record stores, or supermarkets. If you look good and carry yourself seriously, this usually works out fine. Like I just try not to put too much pressure on any single interaction, you know what I mean? I don't live in NYC and I find people aren't averse to talking to strangers here especially if you make a comment about something relevant to the moment or the person.

Multiple times, I ran into people browsing the rap section at a local record store and we just talk about that. And then I invite for drinks at a bar and maybe listen to some records later. It works if they're interested. But sometimes the conversation doesn't get far enough for that and that's fine too. Having multiple options in your back pocket really does take the pressure off. Hence plate theory.

[–]untitled566 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah, the thought occurred to me to just start interacting with everyone, men and women alike, wherever I go. I have social anxiety, so I think it's in my best interest to interact with everyone without even considering sex or a relationship, so I can build up my confidence.

That said, I did just get back from the gym. My first day there; it's also to build my confidence. There are a lot of women there.

I actually have been thinking of finding a nurse, or a teacher.

[–]strikethrough12317 points18 points  (2 children) | Copy

Don't listen to this guy. If you feel like scoring at your local bar, go for it. Don't let some stranger on the Internet stop you from doing what you want.

[–]EscapeTheGoat[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Hey I mean I didn't say that I wanted to stop people from doing it. I just see a lot of newbies and socially reserved guys be totally out of depth in that environment without some prior background work. Let's just be honest, if you can easily pull off an ONS with zero guilt and minimal effort, then you're not really an RP newbie.

[–]btrpb1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah I agree. But there's a lot of truth in what he says. As a young man I rarely had success in bars. Did better just through my groups of friends and parties. But now as a 40 year old it is ten times easier to get a number in a bar off a 25 year old.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (8 children) | Copy

Things must just be different in New Zealand. Sure, I guess a really 'up-market' bar where people drink responsibly might be intimidating and hard to crack, but in general we're a nation of binge drinkers rolling out of work on Friday afternoon to pack the bars and get laid. Most bars with affordable prices are meat-markets that require very little game. Private parties are probably a little easier, but I'd definitely rate day-game as requiring way more courage and finesse than the bars here.

Interestingly, though, while we are a pretty drunk nation (10th in the world), we're still behind the US, UK, 'Straya, and half of Europe.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy

Nightlife in NZ is absolute cancer, never in my entire life met a girl in a club here and I'm tall, shredded, decent face. Overpriced drinks, pretentious clubs that are just money laundering fronts, either wasted young uni girls in a group all playing on their phones or postwall trainwrecks already fully drunk at 7pm.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Ive had limited success at clubs, the times when I cracked it was when I was in the zone full of energy and truly didnt give a fuck. Always started with dancing and strong eye contact. Soon after getting the makeout I just give them my phone with the create new contact screen ready. Maybe ill make out some more, or just walk away and approach other girls. 50% of the ones I add want to fuck that night, the other 40% I fuck another time with 10% going nowhere. Getting the number after making out always has a good success rate. Lately Ive been getting real fuckin tired, the nightlife is wearing me down. I think the key is to not go every weekend so you can bring out that energy when you need it.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

To be honest man I'd rather just use tinder, I have no interest in dancing and I lift almost every day so I rarely drink.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Any tips for tinder? I have good photos and matches, its the banter part i struggle with. Just started this weekend

[–]Nutman-maddog1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Night life in NZ is a bit of a sausage fest in my experience. Although all it really takes is an above average physique and a bit of game and I have found NZ nightlife to be easy. It is almost like the whole 'hookup culture' is based on the nightlife here.

Also I've found it easier in certain cities/towns then others to get a ONS in NZ. You experienced this?

As for day game, I have never seen it or done it. Tinder/nightlife is enough for me. Thought about giving it ago when the right context comes up though.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Small town + nightclub is always a winning combination, yet hard to find consistently. Pubs are definitely a sausage fest, that's anywhere the local blue collar go after work and anywhere showing rugby. Student cities are easier than others. As you get into bigger cities your game/looks/physique play more of a part, but there's still always a key for every lock.

[–]EscapeTheGoat[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I don't know the kind of plausible deniability element of day-game tends to make it easier in America. I guess it would require more courage without alcohol involved but on some level you're just having a conversation and then getting a number. Like I think closing on a stranger is way more difficult for a lot of men who don't have experience doing that kind of thing.

[–]nilcox1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Honestly tho, what you are talking about are different things. Clubhunting is about getting laid, daygame is about getting numbers to get laid later, usally weekends instead of clubhunting.

You are not likely as a newbie or even pro to transistion a day time pickup into getting laid the same day. But being in a club at closing will increase those odds. Mind you, this is coming from a dude who never clubs or visits bars and ONLY do day-game.

Edit: also as others have pointed out, day game requires alot more balls the club pickups.

[–]Nocryingok3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I have banged around 80 women in my life, but my sucess rate is still around 5 in bars and clubs. College parties and bars also very low, about 10%.

The reason is: it's not my field! If you were a basketball player, would you keep betting in baseballl games, or would you bet on a game you know well?

The people who get action in nightclubs are the venue owners, musicians, the promoters and the bar staff (in this order of hierarchy). Again, remember: contribute value, don't be a leech! Now I try to organize my own parties, or at least go to thematic events where I can use my creativity. Bought a "Paw Patrol" pink helium ballon to bring with me next time I go out... I guess that's what the PUA guys mean by peacocking.

[–]HannahNeymus 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

Lessons from Law Enforcement

"Why don't you come back to the station and we can go over a few questions about ..."? Why can't we simply talk at my house, on my couch, while I'm relaxed and comfortable, where I can tell you to get the fuck out any time I feel like it? Because I don't want you feeling comfortable, cocky and "confident," that's why.

As a person playing the female social script, if I'm in a bar or club, I expect to be approached and pandered to. So, right off the bat, if you're playing the male social script, you're coming from a position of weakness, desperation, and begging. I'm sorry, but why would you want to play a game on those terms (and pay money to play it)?

LinkedIn v. Tinder

Unless a girl went to Harvard/Stanford undergrad, Yale Law, clerked for a U.S. Supreme Court justice, and is a partner at an Am100 law firm (or on the Forbes 500 list), there's not really a competition in terms of LinkedIn credentials. My LinkedIn credentials would make a Jewish mother cream her pants. On top of that, the unspoken rules of LinkedIn make it taboo or "unprofessional" to sexually advertise one's self. So, "sex" is removed from the equation. With sex removed from the equation, if you're a single woman hunting for a man on LinkedIn, what bargaining chips do you have available to bargain with? All that's left for women to grab your attention and differentiate themselves is "liking" your posts or comments, dropping you a comment, or sending you an InMail message. By doing so, they run the risk of losing plausible deniability and telegraphing very likely IOIs (but with no other real options available to them, what other choice do they have?).

Tinder is a completely different ball game. Filling out the profile section is a complete waste of time. No man even reads it, and for men, women are more likely to find a reason to be turned off by something you have to say than be wooed or moved by anything you have to say. So, the only choice you have as a guy is to: (a) appear to be engages in fun activities and sharing pictures of something "fun" or "interesting" that you're actively doing, which (b) coincidentally and completely unintentionally highlights or showcases your body (preferably without a shirt and while getting wet or dirty), and (c) with a picture of the car you drive, house you own, your boat, or the location you're vacationing in somewhere in the background. Now, you abandon all sense of dignity and swipe right until you find someone who is remotely attractive enough to cause you to have an erection without the aid of Cialis or thinking about that fucked up porn you're ashamed to admit to yourself (much less anyone else) still turns you on.

Bars v. the Bar

I'm a lawyer. I go to a lot of professional events, continuing education, speaking engagements, charity/fundraisers. The power dynamic is completely different. If a woman doesn't talk to me, then her and I are not going to interact at all that entire evening. I know that, she knows that, and we both know that we both know that. So, if a woman wants to interact with me, she has to come up to me and break the ice. She has the perfect excuse. This isn't a bar or club. She's not approaching me with, "Nice pecks/arms/bulge." She's approaching me with, "I have a question. When you said that fraud cuts through all these contractual defenses, I have a client that has a sort of strange/unique situation." There's nothing inherently sexual about that approach. There's plausible deniability that she's not making conversation because she's interested in "me" (as opposed to just being interested in knowledge/information), so the entire environment affords her an opportunity to make a shame/embarrassment-free approach. Additionally, the "game" is stacked in such a way that she is looking to get the speaker's attention, business card, and maybe some conversation that goes beyond just business (IOIs). That's a game that's stacked in your favor from the get-go.

Clubs v. the Club

At a charity event, gala, or other fundraisers, there are only two (2) guaranteed ways to get some kind of hype man drop an honorable mention of your name: (a) cut a check, or (b) be someone who motivates other people to cut checks. Won a multi-million dollar real estate litigation case in Manhattan? What a perfect time for the Park Avenue Condominium Owner's Association in cooperation with Friends of the High Line to throw a gala to raise awareness for issues affecting the environment, urban development, and blah blah blah ... give us money. Who do they call as a guest speaker to fill up the silence, appeal to the intellectual narcissism of people with money to spare, all while supposedly (on the surface) discussing very recent and relevant legal developments that affect everyone's private property and the local community? Yours truly. End your speech with, "And as a pledge to seeing Park Avenue and the High Line continue to lead the way in setting the standard for Manhattan's parks and environmental culture, I'm pleased to start off today's fundraiser by pledging the first $5,000.00 towards the High Line's mission. I hope those of you who can will join me in blah blah blah." There are wives there with husbands who could barely afford to put on a suit and shoes to show up to the event. There are a couple of single girls at that event (some working the event, some there as guests, maybe 1-2 that are somewhat cute). If sex is something you actually want, it's so easily available, all you have to do is let a woman interact with you and lead you into her pants.


I'm new on here. I'm guessing "SMV" means social/mating value, or displaying a high level of social or mating value. Well, if you find yourself trying really hard with women, then it's probably because you haven't "SMV"(ed) enough. If you're willing to invest all that time and energy, then invest it in yourself (rather than towards one woman at a time). You know how girls complain about the cost of dating (for women)? Hair, make-up, waxing, shoes, a dress, fake tits. Well, those aren't costs that are incurred "exclusively" for one particular man. She can be showing up for a date with George, suddenly catch Jeff Bezos' eye, and George will still be waiting until the cafe' closes for the night. You need to be smart with your finite resources (like time and money). A boat, home, and car are amazing examples of this. I can't count the number of women that have benefited or enjoyed all those things (non-exclusively). If a woman is going to make a decision to prefer you to some other man based on your non-exclusive investment that's lead to your SMV, then that's a win in your book. Gym? Good body? Non-exclusive. Clothes? Cologne? Education? Job Title? Non-exclusive. Social network, status, reputation? Non-exclusive. You have to let all the non-exclusive aspects of your SMV work for you (like investments earning interest or passive income).

[–]dbaktir1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

More solid info than the post. Thanks.

[–]banthrow4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy

What about nightclubs?

One of my most startling revelations after RP is that many 17-18 yo girls go to nightclubs to fuck 35-40 and even 50 year old men.

[–]1Your_Coke_Dealer6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

Nightclubs are a scam for the average chump, and shooting fish in a barrel for very high SMV men.

If you’re not all that rich, you’ll spend a lot on overpriced drinks while not really standing out to any high-SMV woman, because compared to the rich guy, you have less to offer. If you’re particularly attractive and spit good game, you’re wasting your time a bit less, but still competing in a sexual marketplace where the price of pussy is inflated by everyone trying to buy. To a woman, it’s hot guy versus high status hot guy in that case.

For a man with a lot of money and decent looks, it’s a place to show off that money while having fun. Like being a sugar daddy, it’s basically beta game because you’re flashing resources. But the fact that it’s beta game matters a lot less if she puts out and you don’t commit.

Tl;dr: clubs are for spending a lot of money to get women you could pick up elsewhere without spending a lot of money.

[–]banthrow2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Nightclubs are a scam for the average chump, and shooting fish in a barrel for very high SMV men.

That's applies to life too.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

The only men in that age range that I've seen in nightclubs are djs and owners. What are you talking about?

Source: am in my mid 20s, live in a major city and go clubbing occasionally

[–]banthrow0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'm talking about owners and owners' friends.

[–]187oddfuture1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

“Yes Means Yes” and the MeToo movement killed the club scene. Was recently in New York and went out every night, slim to no pickings comparable to a small town, and this is NYC with over 11 million people living there. Bars and clubs are a scam and a waste of time. Get some hobbies that require going out and doing something where you can meet people.

[–]Martysteiner0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'm 24 and in another country(another language and culture) through student exchange programme(Internship)

I kept a really good looking beard. For a year I nurtured and carefully grown it.

Beard makes everything good!

[–]BeeBopJoe[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Terrible advice imo, its a lot easier to set up that flirty vibe in bars/clubs and to learn to escalate. Don't limit your options, game wherever its most convenient/fun to do so.

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