A Few Thoughts on MGTOW: Men Going Their Own Ways

By Chase Amante

..and my shitpost boner grew three times this day.

Well the steaks are almost ready, so time to whip it out.

What is the MGTOW movement all about? Do MGTOWs reject women, love, sex, and society? Or is the phenomenon about something else...?

First, it's not a movement, it's a lifestyle choice. There's no collective, no leaders, just ideas, you fucking twat.

On my article “Quit Letting Girls Off the Hook So Much”, Jimbo asks for my take on the MGTOW movement:

Well you're still wrong, and you're just virtue signalling.

“That whole MGTOW movement. It seems to have gained steam lately. Their two main talking points are: – Women want to spend their prime years screwing around bad boys and then when they become less desirable they want to settle down with a good man to provide for them. So screw it, I’m not gonna be neither! – Marriage is a trap wherein in a woman grabs her man by the nuts because of all the divorce laws that favor her hugely nowadays and also because of her greedy nature. So screw it, no marriage from this guy!”

It's not gaining any steam. It's just becoming self-apparent. It's fascinating that "movement" with no leaders, marketing, or prosletbzing is growing by thousand a week, just on reddit, forget the hundreds of thousands on youtube.

I don't give a shit who women screw and when, I'm not a trad con, and I like sluts that know how to please a man, and I'm not paying them or marrying them. They live their life, I live mine, and all I do is not give them a dime.

If you're a political/legal framework MGTOW, then yes, marriage is a complete fuck cage for men. It always has been, and it marketed that way. "Civilizing men" as a way to pay for women to sit around getting fat and contributing nothing while killing men's dreams.

I’ve clashed with MGTOWs on occasion when they get into the whole ‘rah rah join our cause’ routine... I’m not really the club-joining sort.

I doubt that, MGTOW is not really into recruiting nor clashing. There's no reason. The actions of feminists and women drive a huge amount of traffic. And in forurms (not YT maggots) there's no money to make. So why would that happen?

Also, not a cause, nice propaganda liar.

But the rah rah MGTOWs aren’t necessarily representative of the movement overall. So what I’d like to do today is take a look at the ‘men going their own way’ movement and share some thoughts on it from a somewhat broader perspective.

Well it's not a movement, and no one's pushing it, so you're making shit up. Next you'll say you got death threats from that hacker "4-chan".

You have no broad perspective BTW.

What is ‘Men Going Their Own Way’?

Seems that the title is explanatory.

The biggest problem with ‘MGTOW’ is that it isn’t well defined.

That's only a problem for SJW collectivists like you. It's individually defined. I know you can't see people as individuals, but that's your problem maggot.

Talk to 10 different MGTOWs and they’ll tell you it’s about 10 different things. Like:

So?

If you’re a MGTOW, you won’t ever get married because marriage is bad

And? that's a smart idea, marriage offers nothing but liabilities.

If you’re a MGTOW, you might get married, but it’ll only be on your terms

How is this a problem? Who should set the terms?

If you’re a MGTOW, you remain voluntarily celibate

That's for monks, and good for them, they're smart, some of us still fuck however with disease ridden whores.

If you’re a MGTOW, you have lots of sex, you just don’t have relationships

I'm on board with this, doesn't sound like a negative. Sure there's disease and rape claims, but recording video and STD checks help quite a bit.

If you’re a MGTOW, you have relationships, you just don’t commit

So?

... and so on and so forth. The contradictory predilections of the movement’s adherents makes it frustrating to discuss (or contemplate).

So you're a failure? Sorry, we're not your stationary target you fucking loser. If you were MGTOW, you'd figure it out in minutes. MGTOW is "ideas" not a rule book you fucking normie.

But the central tenet of MGTOW is this: I am going my own way. I do what I want. And I don’t give a hoot what women, society, or anybody else wants or expects of me.

Well you accidentally copied and pasted something right. The interaction with society is performed to the level required.

Looked at in that light, I think MGTOW becomes clearer. These are just guys saying, “I’ll do whatever I want, and not compromise.”

Fair enough.

And?

However, I’m not necessarily sure they actually need a separate label for this... and I’ll tell you why.

You're the SJW labeler, not us.

Do you know why McDonalds has signs? So people looking for McDonalds know where it is.

Belongers vs. Loners

So far as I can tell, branding yourself a MGTOW is just another way to say you are a ‘loner’ or ‘independent’ or to proclaim you “don’t need anyone!”

No, it's just a way of interacting with others similar to your lifestyle system. I bet the people over at /r/mead talk about mead a lot, and make mead. I know I do, since I make mead, so there's a place to exchange ideas. God you SJWs are pathetic.

You go your own way. You’re not trying to fit into the crowd. You don’t care about conforming to social norms. You do your own thing.

Yes, you should try it.

When I was young we just called guys like this loners.

You misspelled "losers" which is what you really think.

Now I guess they’re called ‘MGTOW.’ I guess that way they can feel a sense of belonging? We’re all MGTOWs and now we can commiserate over girls or dating or what have you.

No, it's a way of knowing where to get a cheaply made burger. It's not for you faggot. And I'm quite social, when I want to be. So "loner"? That's a judgement call about "losers" to you. You're weak and cannot live in your own head. You're a loser :)

I suppose it’s different for everyone, but for me the term ‘MGTOW’ is irrevocably tied to sexually frustrated men filled with bitterness toward the opposite sex.

Go jack off, you'll feel better.

I realize there are plenty of MGTOWs who aren’t that way, but the ones who are are so vocal it’s hard to not get that picture stamped in your mind without spending a ton of time socializing with MGTOWs, studying them, or otherwise inserting yourself into the nuances of MGTOW cultural stratification.

The MGTOW is simply a man who says, “I reject the need to belong to a group and uphold the rules. I will make my own path.” Which I view as actually a pretty critical phase to go through for every man who aspires to greatness (see: “The Civilized Man”).

So, in that sense, I’d be pro-MGTOW to a degree... if only I could get past that term. All I can see whenever I see the term ‘MGTOW’ is angry virgins though. Just what I see.

There it is. Little faggot talk for faggot. You wrote this already having your opinion. You're pathetic. you've studied nothing but how to suck cock.

Personally, I still just like the term ‘loner’ or ‘lone wolf’ better. It’s simple, descriptive, and nothing about it suggests angry virginity.

MGTOW aren't virgins, that's incels, and even some of them aren't virgins. I'm not a virgin last time I checked my hymen. Cool story though bro.

One area the MGTOWs seem to agree on (in general) is that marriage is a terrible trap for men... Something to avoid at all costs.

Marriage is a shit show, that only benefits women and not men, so a man getting married is stupid. Clearly you're stupid.

Most of these guys seem to be unaware of the settle down curve and the end of history illusion in general, so when they inevitably do (usually) get married, it’s all the stranger.

Propaganda, noises, whatever. And they don't get married, many were married, and many more are leaving relationships. You're the one who wants to validate yourself with sex and marriage to fit in with everyone else. Do you have any ideas what a good nazi you would have made?

There was a guy a few years back who was something of an MGTOW folk hero, writing long, painstaking screeds against marriage in the comment sections of various manosphere sites. I forget his name, thought it had ‘Mint’ in it, if memory serves. The gist of his message was that, as a divorcé himself, men should never marry, they should avoid long-term relationships with women, not make the mistake he’d made, and that in particular men should avoid older women, women with children, etc. After about 10 months of these diatribes, which the men of MGTOW found wholly inspirational, he posted that he’d decided to marry a single mother in her thirties. You could practically see the heads of various MGTOW men explode as they fathomed the changeability of a man’s opinions and realized theirs might change someday too.

So no one you can actually identify. So a made up story. Even if it was true, who gives a shit? Do you call out man-hating feminists that have rape fantasies? I can give you some names, one of which ended up in the Obama administration that I personally raped. Calling her out? No? Then go fuck yourself. Some MGTOW getting married is his business. A MGTOW who kills everyone in a mall means nothing to me. That's his problem, and means nothing to the so called "movement".

And no, MGTOW don't explode, you propaganda liar. If I get married tomorrow, I suspect people will warn me off, and some will say "good luck with that", and others will say, "I hope it works out for you". I assume the rest will laugh at me.

I, for one, have never been a fan of listening to people tell me what they will never do, be that:

I will never get married

I probably won't, or if I do, the bitch will be on a short leash.

I will never have a one-night stand

Not my preference.

I will never cheat on anyone

I've cheated on plenty of women because like a feminist, I have body autonomy, and no one will control my sexuality. :)

I will never date someone like that

Cumsucker.

Etc.

Etc.

At this point in my life, I’ve seen/heard so many people profess all the things they will never do, only to later watch them do exactly that. Men, women, it doesn’t matter; everyone seems to be equally ignorant that their future selves may not necessarily listen to or agree with their present ones.

So you're old and stupid. Good wisdom there. You know what I will never do? Run for president. Feel free to criticize me when I do. Idiot.

I just don’t buy it anymore when you tell me what you’ll never do. It just reeks of either you trying to convince yourself or you shoveling bull crap in my direction.

You worship pussy and marriage because, with all due respect, you're a fucking pussy worshipping mangina. So naturally the idea of not marrying confuses your pee pee because you want your tongue deep in her cunt licking out her boyfriends cum.

You're pathetic.

Now, movements like the MGTOW anti-marriage movement are still socially useful. They seem to be anti-society on the surface, but anything humans do within a human society is really just another thing they’re doing for that society. Divorce law is unbalanced in much of the modern West, and as men opt out and grow vocal about it, they serve as a force to push back the other way, in favor of tipping the scales of divorce in a more balanced direction.

Not a movement retard, nice propaganda piece though. And I don't give a shit about divorce, that's a you problem pussy licker. You are the mangina, solve your own self-caused problems. Go talk to the MRAs.

The thing I’d warn any guy off of who delves into the ‘man going his own way’ concept is assuming that just because he feels a certain way now, he will definitely always feel that way forever.

So change your mind. I know you're medically retarded, but MGTOW has no rules, much less about you deciding to go full retard and get married, that's that person's personal decision. Change your mind and ideas all you want. You SJWs are the ones that fear change, because you're a religious cult.

Things change, and people do too.

Wow, you've said a mind blowing thing about human beings. Next, you'll claim babies outgrow diapers.

Also, it’s easy to imagine what you will never do without having something or someone in your life. When that perfect girl enters the picture, whom you’re crazy about and can’t wait to spend all of your time with, it’s very easy to tell yourself, “She’s the exception to all those rules I had before.”

Jesus, are you still whining about this? Also, keep your unicorn in your stroke fantasies cuck. Exceptions to rules actually prove the rule, you do know that right?

MGTOW as ‘Girls Only Want Bad Boys!’

Incels are not MGTOW. But as a felon and former criminal, let me assure you, it hasn't hindered my dating life, some panties get wet when I talk about it. Because my crimes are fucking sexy.

Another element Jimbo highlights as common in MGTOW circles is the “Girls want men to be [blank]. Well, I’m not going to be [blank]. So screw them.”

Why isn't Jimbo pointing this out? I'm starting to think Jimbo, that no parent would name a child, is made up.

You see this sentiment everywhere in life. Here are some examples:

Artist: “People only want to pay for crappy art. Well, I refuse to make crappy art just to make money. And anyone who does make money is a sellout and not a true artist.”

Yes, they are, they make art for money. That's not art, that's business. And then they whine to the NEA for tax monet (pun) when they can't sell it.

Entrepreneur: “I know what the public needs better than the market, my friends, or my advisors. And I know how to run an awesome business, even though I’ve never done it before. So let me just burn through all this capital in a short period of time and build stuff that of course people are going to want (even though I’ve done no market testing and am only marginally familiar with this market).”

Sounds like a feminist demanding to be a CEO. They're such good businesswomen.

Woman: “Men only want bitches or girls who are pushovers. Well I refuse to pretend to be some bitch / I prefer to just roll over for guys. So I guess I will be alone forever with my 80 cats.”

Personally I like women who are doormats I can work out my rape fantasies with. Feminists are remarkably useful in this. Having a doormat means I can cum and go as I please, and leave them to clean up the destruction.

Get this, many women have zero problem being used as doormats. I guess you've never really enjoyed sex and working a bitch as meat.

The basic mental flaw here is the assumption that “I know The Way, other people are all the same as each other, I’m the unique/special one, and anyone who doesn’t do it my way is bad/stupid/malicious/a sellout.”

You are all the same, you are all in lock step, you're all pathetic. The vast majority of humanity are idiots, that's why they're so easy to stick into boxes. Don't like it? #BeButter.

But you’re not special, you’re just another human and there are billions like you. And at least millions who are just like you.

Just smarter not following your pussy licking life plan, mine is far superior. Come on over to the winning side. Steaks on the grill, bourbon in the glass, bitch between your legs sucking you off and leaving. Why be an SJW when you don't have to be? Seems like a miserable existence. You live in a pussy worshipping cage of your own making.

The mindset shift here is to go from, “Other people want [X]. Well, I refuse to be [X]!” to, “Oh, wait... If I can learn how to be [X], then I can get whatever the heck I want. And any reservations about [X], I can always deal with. For instance, if I resist being the bad boy girls like because I don’t want to hurt a girl, I can be the bad boy with a heart of gold – the guy who comes off like an asshole, but takes really fantastic care of any girl who enters his life.”

I'ma bad boy without the heart of gold. Gold is an investment in hard value you can portably take anywhere in the world and exchange for goods, services, pussy, and blood diamonds.

Bad boys fuck, and your beta ass cucks.

Get on the winning team loser. The world is your oyster, much like a vagina in look and feel and smell. I recommend hot sauce in both cases.

If you can go from, “I have to [X], and I refuse,” to, “The way is [X] – and here’s a cool way I can do [X] to get what I want without sacrificing my own principles and code,” you move from thinking like a petulant child to thinking like a conquering man.

Why are you a faggot if you're so smart? You just cannot envision a world where you win can you? You're such a SJW, you're only happy when you're miserable for being a loser.

The Angry Incel Element

He’s a little lonely and not so happy about it.

‘Incel’ is a manosphere abbreviation for ‘involuntary celibate’; a guy who doesn’t get laid or have a girlfriend... But not by choice. He would if he could. It’s just that, well, he’s too scared to approach women or it just never works out for him.

So not MGTOW?

These men have a habit of coming in and corrupting a lot of online men’s movements with their bitterness toward women. There’s a lot of them at any one time, and any time they can find a place that seems to be somewhat anti-woman, they rejoice at having located the perfect venue to vent all their bad feelings.

So not MGTOW?

And then a few years later when they finally do get a girlfriend, they don’t come back to spread peace, love, education, and inspiration; they just leave. They spent a few years online slinging poison at their worst, and then once things got better they vanished. So all you get to see is the poison slingers... Because who wants to hang around in that kind of toxic environment and try to sell hope?

SO not MGTOW?

A bunch of unsuccessful men venting bad feelings about women makes the venue an utter drag to everyone else... So, like middle class individuals who sell their homes and flee when the angry poor people move into town, MGTOW websites gradually shift over into serving unhappy incels more and more... And everybody else begins to check out.

So not MGTOW?

It’s these men who have shifted the perception of MGTOW from kind of a bad ass loner one of, “I walk a different path,” to more of a whiney loser auto-rejection-y one of, “Screw women, they’re all the same and all horrible!”

If they did, they'd fuck and enjoy a cigar on the beach during sunset, but incels won't follow a winning path, just like you SJWs. Enjoy your beta-bux. Sounds like cheap Walmart whiskey to me.

Worse, because these men dress their failure up as choice (to escape the ego hit from being admitted failures), they can look pseudo-powerful to younger, more impressionable men:

So you attack incels as failures. You monster. Again, MGTOW are not sexual failures.

“You don’t need women, you should never have a serious relationship with a woman or just don’t ever have women in your life, period. Women lie, scheme, and manipulate, and they corrupt everything they touch. Have your band of brothers, and give no time to women.”

How is any single word of that false? Sounds like incredibly sound advice.

Sounds bad ass, right? It’s seems pretty bad ass to say, “I don’t need [whatever – some thing everybody needs].” I don’t need sleep, I don’t need food, I don’t need water, I don’t need health, I don’t need girls, I don’t need friends, I don’t need a mission, I don’t need purpose, what have you.

Yeah you need food, water, and oxygen. You don't need a government contract for manipulative man-hating cunt to get a pension plan. Get over yourself.

But it’s fake. Everybody needs those things.

Faggots like you need female validation, because you're a micropenis cuck. Jesus, would you please fuck a woman like she's your property or something? You know they like that, and you're a sexual failure in manhood.

And when you’re shouting from high heaven about how much you don’t need something, all that really is is a cry to tell the world how much you want to have that thing.

Yeah, that's not true, but as someone with a degree in psychology, I appreciate armchair psychologists opinions with a micro-penis who can't fuck a woman.

If you didn’t, you wouldn’t be spending so much time obsessing over it now, would you?

Tell that to alcoholics in AA, fucking faggots, only talking about booze all the time. You do know mocking stupid bitches on the internet and social media is not obsessing?

Getting women is like going to Walmart. I can shit on Walmart and still shop there faggot.

Most women are not evil, manipulative schemers. And if you meet women who are, well... Every guy meets one or two gals like that. Just like he meets men who are that way. If you meet a LOT of women who are that way, then you need to take a long, hard look at where exactly you are meeting these gals and why you keep attracting terrible people into your life. That won’t always be a pleasant introspection, but it’s the first step on the road to not having awful people around you anymore.

True, but most of them are, so AWALT applies. It doesn't matter which ones aren't, only which ones are. And since you can't tell one from another until post-mortem, I'll stick to my policy of bourbon, steak, fucking, and using them for all they're worth, which is a hole based transaction.

They have no other value. You think they do because you're a product of a single woman who had you as a trophy for money or reminder of fucking a real man.

The final thing I’d put out on the angry incel phenomenon is that a lot of what these guys write online is designed to be defiant (“I’ve given up on women, and boy are girls regretting it – look at all the women asking where the good men have gone!”).

Incels aren't MGTOW. Nice try.

And incels don't give up on women, incels want to fuck because they can't, MGTOW may, or may not, choose to fuck, because they can.

But that’s like saying I didn’t invent something because the world doesn’t appreciate me, so now the world gets to be poorer for it. The world probably is, but it has no way to know what it’s missing out on. The person you punish when you lock yourself in a permanent failure box is you. The rest of the world just marches on without you.

Sounds like projection loser. I assume you don't mind if I fuck your girlfriend? I mean, you have a chicks name, so I assume I get to be the bull again in the relationship?

Should You ‘Go Your Own Way’?

Yes, because it makes complete sense because worshipping pussy is stupid.

You cannot truly turn your back on society.

i don't, I like electricity and Shark Week.

Unless you own your own land, hunt, farm, gather, drink, make/mend your own clothes, build your own weapons from scratch, and don’t use civilization at all, you’re dependent on society and the systems that society (i.e., your fellow humans) has built.

Blah blah nonsense. Ignored.

Even if you do all these things, you probably still live within a society that is mostly peaceful, and you aren’t having to form an army and march out once a year to fend off enemy raiders/soldiers, because the overall civilization you inhabit has made invading armies an extreme rarity.

You're in la la land you fucking moron.

I’m all for younger men, or men who’ve just come out of a soul-searing process (like a messy divorce) turning their backs to society, somewhat, to go explore, adventure, and find themselves. I’ve certainly devoted plenty of my life to this. You need to spend that time as the man in the woods before you’re ready to come back in and be the most confident, capable man of society you can be.

I bet you do like younger men you fucking pedophile. Why are SJWs always filled with pedophiles? You faggots just love raping young children. At least I drop the line at raping feminists with fantasies. Which one of us is better? At least I have consent one the ball gag goes in.

However, I advise you to have more awareness of your own need for female companionship. Sex, dating, and relationships are all solvable problems. e.g.:

Have way more awareness, then go find a fuck buddy and give up on marriage. Only faggots get married these days.

If you can’t get laid: learn game, hone your fundamentals, and go talk to girls

Why? Women are what they are, and they don't like incels. Hence, incels. So go purchase sex from a whore. They're many deep.

If you can’t hold onto girls in relationships: learn relationships and lead better and argue better

Just have them take the trash out when they leave, you don't want them around to fuck up your day.

If you keep ending up with girls who screw you over: stop going for crazy chicks or girls who like to party and be more selective about whom you enter into relationships with

A trend? Blame the men for anything. So men go for the 'wrong' girls, but notice you faggots can't even admit those girls are bad? They just exist in a cloud, the man picks one, and picks badly, but still, the women aren't bad in any way.

If you just can’t help feeling bitter: take the time to get over it. Beat depression, kick victim mentality – these mindsets keep you stuck in place, and so long as you have them, you are trapped (and will attract all the wrong people/women, too)

I had some bourbon, then frosted their face, then watched Shark Week. What are you doing?

It’s fine to take that time in the woods or on the mountaintop.

Then shut the fuck up faggot.

You should. It’s important to go out, explore, discover oneself, become self-reliant.

And that's a problem? Oh right, you're projecting your pussy worshipping.

Just do so out of the desire to improve, and not as a screw you to all those people (or women) who didn’t give you whatever it was you wanted from them... be that respect, validation, friendship, or sex.

Or because bitches aren't worth anything. Whatever your motivation is.

Nobody owes you a thing. But if you become a man who provides value, and you are selective about the people you allow into your life, it’s not so hard to have a damn good life filled with damn incredible people (and damn sexy, awesome, loyal, amazing girlfriends).

And no one owes women anything. That's the part you faggots can never reach. Only men's expectations are wrong. Women? Hard pass, they can be owed everything. You're suck a cum sucking panty licker aren't you.

Women aren't owed anything, least of all when they scream in a alley way. You just stick your head out the window and tell them to shut the fuck up.

I think girls have holes and thats their purpose, you think girls are to validate your pathetic momma's boy fantasies. Go suck dick for money you closeted momma's boy.

And in the end, you will discover that most of the men who go their own way ultimately circle back again and, after that period of self-discovery and recreation, rejoin society, leveled up. A little time in the woods does a man good.

Or we just fuck chicks as they show up, and travel the world, and do actual thing unrelated to taking care of some fat couch potato. You're such an extremist.

Yours,

Chase Amante

Faggot name. are you related to Chase Meridian

"Chase woke up one day in 2004 tired of being alone. So, he set to work and read every book he could find, studied every teacher he could meet, and talked to every girl he could talk to to figure out dating. After four years, scads of lays, and many great girlfriends (plus plenty of failures along the way), he launched this website. He will teach you everything he knows about girls in one single program in his One Date System."

So you're a sexual failure in the marketplace, and trying to sell it to others as a PUA? Loser.