If guys suddenly stopped asking women out, would women begin chasing men?

RunawayGrain · 2018-08-15T15:01:44+00:00

My though is that with 80% of women going for the top 20% of men, these guys are just saying "I'm not in the top 20%, so fuck it." You won't see much traction until later on, when the women in their twenties now start to age out, and want to round up a guy. Either that, or the top twenty percent guys all also bail out.

Claiming that they are not real men , that they are gentle, mild, sissy, closet gay, small boys, etc. This, er, did not get the men to come back. It made other men who saw how the women in large scale culture acted join the herbivores. And now it just spins like this, with the women pushing away the men further instead of chasing after the men.

This is just how any woman reacts when she gets rejected.

There's actually a debate going on, because the Japanese obsession with perfection leads to a lot of waste. Read about some of it here, mostly focused on agriculture. I see that as being at play here too.

Some of my Japanese exchange students had something like abundance mentality above and beyond anything I've ever seen. One had a girlfriend here in the states. He went to her family reunion and found out she had a family member with downs syndrome, decided that shit ran in the family, and dumped the girlfriend on the spot with no qualms.

Chad-IRL-68 · 2018-08-15T18:08:48+00:00

This was also tested in San Francisco in the 1980s. The city was being flooded with gay guys, and the number of straight women was higher than the number of straight men. I came to SF in 1984 at 16 years old, and stayed until 1992. During those eight years, getting laid was never easier.

At least 2-3 times a year women directly asked me out on dates. One started by asking for a cigarette, then asked if I was straight, and then asked me out. In nearly every case I had sex with them on the first date. From ages 16-24, I never had to ask a girl out. In fact, I had no game when I left because I was used to women being the aggressors, which obviously wasn't the case elsewhere.

One the extreme downside, these women treated me horribly. 1980's San Francisco extreme feminism was at it height, and I was put down for being masculine; I rode a motorcycle, lifted weights, rock climbed, and other stuff. Being masculine in SF then was frowned upon. They were also abusive, both mentally and physically, but that could be in part because I was dating more aggressive women who were willing to do things like ask men out.

During large-scale wars, colleges also tend to experience this. I've heard accounts of women becoming the aggressors during WWII, much like what I experienced.

fuckrbrasilmods · 2018-08-15T20:29:26+00:00

Part of the problem regarding gender relations and mating is that women have been idealized both emotionally and physically.

Emotionally, some men (menchildren, guys w/ no strong role models or a wide social net of mutual support) believe women will nurture them in a motherly way. Most of the time, they will not: that is reserved for their own children. Don't look for a second mommy.

Physically, sexual drive is distorted by the idea that women's bodies are flawless. They're not: they age, they stink, they sag, they lose their attraction. That doesn't mean female beauty doesn't exist. It does, but it is often makeshift (make-up, bras, yoga pants etc) and most of all it FADES. Take that into account every single time you look at a beautiful woman.

Stopping idealizing women is the number one step for a more successful dating life and a more balanced gender dialogue.

DeontologicalSanders · 2018-08-15T15:07:36+00:00

One thing you can be sure of is that women will not take steps to change this or improve the situation.

Reactivity to male initiative is fundamental to how women work. It's not something that can be eradicated or adjusted. It's kinda fucked, but you really have to hand it to them: every woman has a pretty firm idea of what she's convinced she deserves from a man, and she's usually not willing to settle for less just because better is not available.

There is only one hill that women are willing to die on, and this is that hill.

These women are not suddenly going to go, "Oh no, I have realized the error of my ways, senpai! We must accept that men are no longer satisfied with what we offer and make ourselves more attractive." Have you ever known any woman to readily accept fault for a major problem?

No. Instead, these women are going to do what women always do: complain, and wait for some other men to show up and fix their problems. Namely, immigrants, expats, and foreign invaders. Grab the popcorn; this should be good.

punchyson · 2018-08-15T15:33:19+00:00

My novice understanding of Red Pill theory is that as long as there are some alfa males to have, the women couldn't care less that the guys they don't really want to fuck anyway are checking out.

Japanese Chad must be swimming in pussy.

CherryCityPulp · 2018-08-15T15:52:15+00:00

Very interesting. I think we may see something similar happen here in the U.S.--we already have the MGTOW movement, but I also see women doing some really weird shit and putting themselves in a horrible position to find a man.

One kind of stupid example is not shaving their legs and dressing like weird fucking hippies in a way that is NOT attractive whatsoever. I live in Portland Oregon and I see this all the time. I'm like: "you actually thinks this looks good?" I guess so? But I also think it's the arrogance of women in their 20's who are so jaded by male attention they think they can get away with anything.

The next dynamic, however, is much more common and widespread, which is the career focused woman. She spends her 20's and maybe even half her 30's focused on gaining material wealth, happy to toss men aside and not really making any real efforts on the relationship front. Then, suddenly they hit somewhere between 30-40 and it's like: SHIT, I want to settle down/have a family/what have I done with my life?

The problem for these women is that hypergamy doesn't work in reverse. I don't care if you have a bunch of money and status--I care if you look good. Additionally, these women try to seek dudes of a similar age: in their 30's and 40's, not understanding that those guys are now entering the prime of their SMV and can easily date women in their 20's.

But--and here's the hilarious part--these women won't lower their standards. They still think they should get the same level of guy they could attract when they were 25 and refuse to consider anyone who makes less money than they do. Ever seen "has his shit together" on SOD (swipe/online dating)--that's what that means. Anyway, they end up just being forever single and settling down with a bunch of cats, reading romance novels and whatever else useless people do who have money.

The good news is that for TRP men it doesn't matter. There are plenty of women out there who want men in their life, and relatively few men who understand how to get their attention without getting trapped in the subversive relationship we call marriage.

Median2 · 2018-08-16T03:02:52+00:00

I've been to Japan multiple times, and this phenomenon simply does not reflect the reality of what it's like over there. There are couples EVERYWHERE you can't walk through Shibuya, Shinjuku, or any large district in Tokyo at night without seeing swarms of people in their 20s and 30s looking to meet others. There is a vibrant nightlife scene in clubs and bars, full to the brim with people meeting each-other every single night. The women there are not cold, stuckup, derisive, or particularly money hungry, if anything they are more polite and more approachable than women in most Western countries. That being said, Japanese people in general are far more reserved than people in Western countries, but that goes for Men and Women, and that has more to do with how polite (sometimes overly so) Japanese culture is, where people are usually extremely worried about offending, bothering, or inconveniencing each other.

That post, like many others about "herbivore men" in Japan reads a lot like it was written by some ignorant foreigner who has never been to Japan, and is just buying into the crap spouted by shit like Vice News.

Furthermore, rates of being single and unmarried are up EVERYWHERE, not just in Japan, and yet we never see talk of "Herbivore" men in the United States:

https://www.census.gov/newsroom/facts-for-features/2017/single-americans-week.html

That being said, there ARE problems in Japan that make relationships harder than they need to be, but it has nothing to do with the individual men and women. Japan suffers from an ATROCIOUS working culture that forces salary men and women to work to the bone until late at night and on top of that to then go drinking with managers and coworkers, which is why you will see a constant stream of people in business clothes filing out of bars/restaurants at midnight to catch the last train home every single night of the week. That, on top of ASTRONOMICAL living costs, makes the prospects of having a family or even a relationship more difficult (on your wallet) than it should be.

sd4c · 2018-08-15T21:29:31+00:00

I don't mind approaching. I mind being taken for a ride, gradually dropping my plates in the growing and false conviction that "this one really loves me", only to end up dumped (or forced to dump her) the moment she figures out that I dropped my guard and decided to love her back.

Women are the opposite of men. Buy a gift, do a favor for a guy or otherwise show loyalty- and he'll go out of his way to reciprocate your tributes. But I've seen an enthusiastic woman's face fall, crestfallen, upon my providing a gift or demonstrating other sincere affection.

The greatest gift you can give your girlfriend, is iron-clad proof from another cute girl that she wants to bang you. This never failed to get hot sex, whereas a diamond ring, iPad, help with work- never did.

VasiliyZaitzev · 2018-08-15T18:28:05+00:00

Reminds me of this joke:

Q: ”How many women does it take to change a lightbulb?”

A: ”Two, but they don’t actually change the bulb, they just sit in the dark and bitch.”

DropDeadTyrant · 2018-08-15T14:48:27+00:00

after reading this, I think girls will end up chasing guys again in Japan. But, not for a century or so of keeping that up. I mean, think about the U.S. We gave women voting rights and for years the majority of women still believed that staying in the home was the right thing to do. Japan is on its way to breaking the "men need to be available for women" mindset, but it's not going to happen rapidly.

analt223 · 2018-08-15T16:56:19+00:00

No. Women deem a much much smaller percent of men attractive than the other way around.

JohnBravo9990 · 2018-08-15T14:48:45+00:00

Women have to be subservient to men for civilization to exist. When the population crashes enough, men will reassert themselves.

drkinferno72 · 2018-08-15T17:57:19+00:00

But what's the word on gaijin hunters over there?

DeadliftRx · 2018-08-15T16:18:55+00:00

I would like to state that if you require women in your life to develop a sense of value or to find purpose in life, then you are proceeding through life, as a man, in a misguided state.

This effects my take on the separation between MGTOW and TRP, where MGTOW swear off women, and the focus of MGTOW is still about women. TRP is about how to persevere through women being part of our universe and to enjoy them when they happen to be involved in our lives. Realize the frame, gentlemen, and how women are a part of our universe; not the other way around.

It reminds me of how hatred is not the opposite of love because of how one dwells on that hatred, but rather how true apathy is the antithesis of love. No man requires a woman to thrive, but they can be excellent entertainment.

ArthurSamuel · 2018-08-15T17:14:26+00:00

As a non-Japanese who lived there for a number of years I'm not sure I completely agree with this comment. It's much more nuanced that what has been suggested above. Yes, I don't doubt that this does exist but not to the degree suggested, however, it would take too long to explain my thinking.

Anyway, to address the actual question: would women chase men if men stopped chasing them, the resounding answer is YES.

As a western male in Japan I would have the pick of both the locals and the expat women. But the tables were turned on the western women. Where we had abundance and choice, they did not. Most local guys were too shy to approach women due to their perceived (possibly justified) sass and the language barrier.

So the expat women, that back home wouldn't give you the time of day, would throw themselves at the expat men. After all, we all need a bit of love.

That's just me and my buddies experience but I don't see why it wouldn't apply to other situations.

I_do_it4sloots · 2018-08-15T15:38:31+00:00

Women would keep chasing chad

RocketPowersSD · 2018-08-15T15:47:15+00:00

Women want money far more than sex or companionship. As long as we allow women to replace relationships with cash, the birth and marriage rates will fall. GYOW, AWALT. They are soulless, greedy succubi.

_the_shape_ · 2018-08-15T16:34:58+00:00

The issue is a bit complex

Quite so.

To my understanding, comparing Japanese women specifically to women here in the States is flawed from the get go. For starters, the weeds of feminism haven't grown wild over there like they have here, so (to take one effect resulting precisely from that point) their culture doesn't celebrate "you go gyrl!!" hyper-promiscuity like it commonly is over here.

If guys did begin to start dropping like flies from the dating game, I'd predict women would dial up the attention-whoring (ex. more revealing pics on Instagram, showing more skin on the streets), and yes, they'd go even harder after Chad specifically (they can't help it ). They'd probably disregard the regular Joe-schmoes they tend to settle with when things aren't going their way (i.e. when they hit the wall, when Chad rejects/ignores them), and they'd continue their policy of zero fucks to give for the incels and unattractive MGTOWs.

TL;DR - withdrawing from the game en masse would stick it even harder to the 80%, and even would mean more ass for Chad

emdmarco · 2018-08-15T16:32:39+00:00

“..Games galore, interactive movies, perverse comics...”

I wonder if those were instead replaced with more self-building hobbies- such as lifting, martial arts, art, business success, etc (of course with the occasional leisure and video games), if women would have thought differently. Seems like they gave up on women, but ALSO gave up on themselves.

Find me a guy in japan who gave up on women but lifts, has hobbies which benefit the mind/body/soul, is successful with his job, has a passion for contributing to this world, and has PURPOSE. I guarantee you he has women leaving bras and panties at his front door.

Edit: added last paragraph.

c_megalodon25 · 2018-08-15T18:07:55+00:00

I think that there may be cultural considerations in Japan that are not the same in the West. While there is certainly a rise of toxic feminism in the west, most straight or even bi women do want a man to fuck their brains out. Hell, I knew a few lesbians who were experimental enough in college to want a dick on occasion.

I went to a college that was 40-45% men. I don’t care how liberal or feminist they were, they wanted dick and would put the energy in to get it. I don’t feel jaded or feel disrespectful of the women, but in the end, women (and men) all want to get laid.

SKRedPill · 2018-08-16T03:36:55+00:00

The masculine must actively establish boundaries for the feminine. Passive aggression will not work because the feminine in a way wants to be led. If you want to plant trees, you've gotta put your hands in mud. No way out of it. Withdrawing masculine energy from society isn't going to make things better. Establishing the frame does. For that you've gotta get into it.

Engaging with women and then kicking out the ones who do not respect you is a far better way to ensure compliance on a large scale than to simply withdraw. The feminine will not come to compliance on it's own. Without the masculine, it will just fluctuate away to it's own funeral.

Japan for it's part, suffers from a horribly time consuming work culture that is old fashioned, unproductive and leaves no time for any life outside the office. Since World War 2, they've become soft, which was ok at first (imperial Japan had become dark triad sociopathic masculine) , but now they're absolutely making a national identity out of beta-ness. They're suffering a national Nice Guy Syndrome, with all the symptoms.

It's ok, let civilization decline for a while. It will act as a cosmic form of dread. :)

red_matrix · 2018-08-15T17:12:19+00:00

I've thought about this. And what we are seeing is women filling in the masculinity void men have left open. Like water finding a common level, the masculinity and femininity have to balance...thus you see women acting like men, against their own nature, subconsciously. You see women acting tough, Wright lifting, yelling, stronger grip strength, more tattoos, more cursing, more belittling of men, radfem culture. Also women want attention, that's why they pretend to be lesbians and make out with each other, it's why they support LGBQQTT2 etc, and also why so many women own cats, their surrogate children. Subconscious they know they are lacking testosterone in their lives, so they seek to create it...problem is, they are getting it without men, and it's fucking them up. No wonder female happiness is at all time lows in the west.

rlindem · 2018-08-15T15:38:35+00:00

None of you has any idea how japan society works. It’s another universe over there. Don’t even try to speculate.

NormalAndy · 2018-08-15T15:06:20+00:00

Oh well, time for a cheap Japanese takeaway (finally). Option1: marriage will just be seen as a business relationship again as vulnerable girls become chattels- but how likely is that? Alternatively Japanese society follows the Swedish model and imports men. Also unlikely with their xenophobia.

Most likely outcome: socialised jap society kills itself off just as quickly as it rose from feudalism. Corporations move on...

AlexDr0ps · 2018-08-15T18:27:27+00:00

I've had a woman 'ask me out' on two separate occasions. One of them had their male friend approach me and hand me a paper with her number. The other faked a phone call, approached me while talking on the phone, and handed me her number. Both were overweight, the former was morbidly obese.

The idea with both of these scenarios is that they wouldn't know if they were rejected. They did not formally ask me out, they just put themselves out there for me to make an actual move. In the truest way possible, women can't handle rejection.

[deleted] · 2018-08-15T16:39:58+00:00

Why is everyone here so convinced that things will change? It seems much more likely that the Japanese men have adapted to the environment and the women have no reason to make any changes because any reproductive urge they feel can be dealt with in other ways: pets, adoption, toys, etc.

[deleted] · 2018-08-15T21:05:21+00:00

To the title:

They already do that’s part of people’s problem on here, the game I learned is to make the fact your available know introduce yourself then back off and “pursue” something else or work on yourself the second you start seeing those “hey how you been” texts that’s your cue to make a move.

Women want what they can’t have or want something that they perceive a better looking women in their eyes wants.

My complete opinion.

Women chase just in a different way then men.

LogicalAnswers · 2018-08-16T19:11:15+00:00

Women already ask guys out all the time. Nearly every successful couple I know of (not many these days) the girls slid into the DMs lol. The couples that always fail are the ones where the guy asks the girl out. The reason for this is pretty obvious if you understand hypergamy and such

KeffirLime · 2018-08-15T16:44:44+00:00

This is basically a discussion about MGTOW.

A fundamental problem with Sōshoku(-kei) danshi is that no one gives a shit that they're gong their own way. It will change nothing. No real man of value would go his own way because Society (yes even a femicentric one) still works for a man of value. And if Society works for a man of value, what incentive does he have to go his own way?

If all the men of value, the CEO's, the alphas started going their own way it would make an impact. Because then it's directly affecting human beings biological urge to mate with the peak of the opposite Gender. And if the peak of the opposite gender is making themselves unavailable it would have a marked effect on society as a whole.

Even if the Alphas joined the betas in abandoning pussy, women would get thirsty. Settling for substandard cock. This is when the betas who originally were Sōshoku(-kei) danshi would come out the shadows and cease their opportunity to get some pussy because the whole reason they went Sōshoku(-kei) danshi is because they couldn't get it. Essentially their original dilemma would be solved.

Men in Japan are hardly happy with Sōshoku(-kei) danshi, their depression and suicide rates are testament to that, they would much rather have the real thing and in all likelyhood still long for it.

But Alphas going Sōshoku(-kei) danshi isn't the case, and would never be for the above reason. An alpha doesn't compromise his position in Society, he revels in it. Sōshoku(-kei) danshi is mostly men who are bitter that society isn't working for them. These are not high value men. They will cease to breed and work themselves out the gene pool.

The same could be said for feminism. Seldomn is it the peak of their gender who claim to be feminists. Society currently works for beautiful woman, they have the easiest life you could imagine. True equality would be a disaster for these woman. Unless all peak woman start really becoming feminists it too will never have it's desired effect. Despite shit tests biology/Survival of the fittest tends to keep things in balance.

civilization_failed · 2018-08-15T18:09:27+00:00

Maybe this is a species level mechanism in response to overpopulation.

Mefic_vest · 2018-08-15T16:51:23+00:00

Tthe end of the red pill road has always and will always be MGTOW. When you put everything in current society on the scales of logical and rational risk assessment, there is only one possible outcome.

thebadmanpuntdbaxter · 2018-08-15T18:53:07+00:00

If we can call “love” a psychological game, it’s pretty certain that a party will stop playing when the frequency and reward of winning is skewed drastically to the other party. If a dog never wins at tug of war with a person, it loses interest. Unfortunately, moral shame is the default mode of correction for a society rooted in western religion. And japan is VERY westernized.

uber_kerbonaut · 2018-08-15T19:10:18+00:00

I've found Japanese women to be more likely to make the first move (than American women). Maybe it did change them a bit.

UnluckyPenguin · 2018-08-15T21:30:16+00:00

Welcome to Ancient Greece.

I can't find any article that mentions this, but I know I've read about how women used to be the ones that chased men in ancient greece.

Generally, women were the pursuers, and the 'men' acted grossed out about cat-calling women and proceeded to hook up with other guys.

[deleted] · 2018-08-15T21:46:48+00:00

holy shit when Japanese men just redpill themselves you glorious bastard

VillagersUnite · 2018-08-15T23:41:21+00:00

I think that has a lot to do with upbringing as well. A hell of a lot of blue pill conditioning as men grow up. But let Japan be a lesson. Instead of taking the red pill they altogether just said fuck this and opted out. Sooner or later they'll start incentivizing giving birth and creating families. But even then that may not be enough. Japan needs changes all around.

[deleted] · 2018-08-16T05:22:58+00:00

The thing that should be of interest for us at TRP is are those women having less sex?

If no, then clearly that means the top 10%/20% of men are laying all the women while the rest of men have given up any competition.

Seeing as how the goal of TRP is to get yourself into that top percent bracket this should be great news for all of us.

bonusfruit · 2018-08-15T18:42:11+00:00

Agency is strictly masculine.

Mattreddit760 · 2018-08-15T15:29:38+00:00

Human nature takes centuries to change not a decade

SpecOpsAlpha · 2018-08-15T18:35:43+00:00

If a man can have a bot/synth female sans all the bullshit, why bother unless you want kids?

Also seems like some R versus K population dynamic at work.

redpillcad · 2018-08-15T22:58:03+00:00

Gotta think a Japanse guy who lifts and read some Chateau Heartiste would be slaying it. Absolutely crushing it

victor_knight · 2018-08-16T01:43:12+00:00

Better this kind of global-scale, long-term social engineering to help reverse population growth than some brutal virus to wipe out half the population quickly. At least that's what science and government (who are behind the social engineering programs, like feminism) believe.

Iwantmypasswordback · 2018-08-16T03:25:20+00:00

Just wait until the sex robots become realistic. There will be a huge change in the dynamic

[deleted] · 2018-08-16T07:25:47+00:00

Natural selection is working nicely.

[deleted] · 2018-08-16T08:39:54+00:00

I think it depends on the woman. Some women may take action and seek out a guy. I think the majority would not though.

Personally, I know I’ve had enough of the average little princess phone zombie. Sure, I’ll act if there is a unique situation that is too good to pass up, but my drive to try and talk to women is fading fast.

Elaol · 2018-08-16T13:40:54+00:00

It's not about women not being worth it. It's their work culture. Japanese are so obsessed with work, working over 15h a day. They don't have time for romance. Actually, they are fine with it.

Source: worked with little motherfuckers for 18 months

[deleted] · 2018-08-17T00:08:42+00:00

“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. “ - Gandhi

Aloongish · 2018-08-17T01:30:00+00:00

There are women who already do chase men. It wouldn’t matter if men stopped chased women or not. Both women and men are met with rejection with some of the people they like.

Youngyoda89 · 2018-08-15T17:32:21+00:00

So to me- this sounds like a good place to go to get your dick sucked. A sex deprived woman is ready to jump on anything (fuckable).

llDUNN · 2018-08-15T18:44:27+00:00

The main thing to understand is that women are biologically designed this way, to cheat, to fall out of companionship once the excitement is gone. Women are children at heart, and girls just want to have fun. Once the fun stops, they begin to start filtering out who their next "slave" or exciting "Chad" will be. They're essentially hormonal robots that are at the mercy of their own biology. We've all seen how well that goes. Biologically they have to mate because once they reach 30, they begin to lose fertility, and eggs. They're just not designed to cohabitate very well, if at all.

TheTrenTrannyTrain · 2018-08-15T18:51:57+00:00

Here we learn whether it's East of West, women in general all love to shame men to make us follow their feminine imperative.

Jaereth · 2018-08-15T19:15:48+00:00

The main thing this passage neglects though is that male infidelity is very prevalent and pretty much culturally accepted in Japan. So for every guy who MGTOW over there, there's some Chad-san who's adding his potential girl to his soft harem. And it's not even that soft, because Chad-san usually has a wife and traditional family at home. It's just accepted he's going to fuck about if he's a "powerful" man.

TarsierBoy · 2018-08-15T19:33:43+00:00

or they would explore the pleasures of southeast Asian fulfillment

iLoveReddit32 · 2018-08-15T22:43:29+00:00

Fuck. I hate that this is so true.

albus_scirocco · 2018-08-15T22:48:06+00:00

This is one of the best posts I've read in awhile. Very informative and challenging. Kudos!

Chenzomocco · 2018-08-15T22:55:14+00:00

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Schwaggaccino · 2018-08-15T23:09:21+00:00

As of now more than 60% of all men in their 20s are Sōshoku danshi

This falls in line with the bottom 80% of men. Women shame men in either Japan or the States when men fail to pursue them. This is nothing new. I think the more interesting question is - if the top 20% of men stopped caring, what would happen to the 80% of women going for the top 20% of men? Would they throw themselves onto them? Would they try to change their behaviors? Would they go their own way?

[deleted] · 2018-08-16T00:14:45+00:00

That's because men on a whole never really stop chasing women. Only a group of men are going their own way. Still, you have to consider gynocentrism and how society pedestalises women. Going your own way is then a personal journey. Like cutting out the tumour.

simple_beauty · 2018-08-16T00:42:10+00:00

I think natural, hetero behavior is so far removed at this point (thanks to, what I consider, psychopaths), at least in the West, from what's organic, and that we'd be even more f*cked if we stopped asking women out.

It would just be one more way in which man and woman takes a giant step away from what's natural. I think it's natural for men to ask women out. Certainly, there are exceptions and rare cases, with everything. But I do think there is something to be said for the fact that selfless men have a tendency to jump in front of a car if it means the car is going to hit a woman, and I do not think women have that same tendency to save men in that way. Women are more focused on saving themselves, which is maybe a cause of deeper fears, or maybe because the universe needs them to have and raise children. Who knows? But I do think it's a natural process, for man to ask out woman. And I think we'd be giving "them" (liberals, psychopaths, ego-centered humans) another victory over the natural world.

JJ3314 · 2018-08-16T01:18:17+00:00

I think it's possible if a sizable percentage of top 20% men either go full MGTOW, or at least refuse to marry/commit while having zero children with these women.

My suspicion though is that things will be more like the inner city communities, where the most sexually active guys will be too stupid to not get these women pregnant. If the women get knocked up, they may be sufficiently satisfied with being pumped and dumped by attractive men, and bearing at least some of their children.

Higher IQ and conscienscious women will still try to marry, but unclear if they will be able to fully overcome feminist programming and the natural tendency for women to assume role of receiver of male attention. They may just double down on the bitterness if pumped and dumped enough and go to sperm banks rather than dish out proposals. Women from upper middle class households where the parents happened to stay together will probably be most tempted to aggressively seek out husbands as well.

synchronicity9 · 2018-08-16T02:02:21+00:00

Brent Smith has some good ideas on getting women to chase you. It works, but u still need the inner game worked out.

Mr-Ed209 · 2018-08-16T02:10:10+00:00

I'd be wary of believing much in the way of Japanese men putting their foot down with their women and saying no. Having lived there and gone out there, young japanese guys are shy beyond belief. A lot of them resort to getting black out wasted after work in the cities and hitting up 'host' clubs to get their kicks.

It stems from their culture which is very oppressive to the young in a 'respect your elders' way. Corporate Japan is archaeic with the younger staff mostly always being subservient to the outdated elders ways of operating. Forging your own path or way of doing things is simply not expected and the penalties for failure or misconduct are often severe and bully like.

Japan still holds extremely traditional values albeit at the cost of their youth 'growing up'. It's hard for them to learn Independence and many live with their parents way into their 20s and 30s.

Matthias_Foley35 · 2018-08-16T03:12:56+00:00

It’s just another lame shit test. Ignore them and stay happy. The happier you become, the more miserable they are because it proves them wrong. Ignore their bullshit and just do what you need to do.

Luckyluke23 · 2018-08-16T05:03:56+00:00

and then making a business of exactly that little niche.

you think the CAPITALIST west would have done something like this now.

NikolaGeorgiev · 2018-08-16T08:25:58+00:00

So, tl;dr: Japan is MGTOW on a large scale.

[deleted] · 2018-08-16T10:21:41+00:00

Depends how attractive you are

Persaeus · 2018-08-16T13:48:41+00:00

Japanese culture is pretty different compared to western, especially USA, culture.

from what i have seen from my highschool age kids, yes the girls step in to at least partially fill the gap.

as aside, all the Japanese pussy going untapped. i need to move.

johnnight · 2018-08-16T15:07:36+00:00

We are so advanced technologically that in the urban environment people do not need each other for physical help/work. The last thing men can provide is money, which can be extracted from men without their presence (alimony or taxes). It may be different in rural areas where people still appreciate and rely on each other, where one can not rely completely on law or money.

JohnGalt316 · 2018-08-16T15:46:59+00:00

counter point:

when WW2 killed a ton of Russian males, it skewed the dynamics. Russian women became hard working and Russian men became drunks. i guess it depends on the culture of the women. japanese women are going their own way.

[deleted] · 2018-08-16T15:52:02+00:00

Yeah ultimately it comes down to the man bro. The man has to hold everything together. A mans best investment in life is a $100 olympic weightlifting bar, $200 for 400lbs of weights, and a squat + bench rack. Few months of hardcore 3x3 compound lifts will turn any japanese herbivore man into a flesh eating, pussy destroying monster.

quakociaptockh · 2018-08-17T16:51:25+00:00

The topic can be broken down to the question:

Does low attractiveness motivate women to change?

The answer is: no.

For the sake of the discussion we are assuming: attractive - guys want to fuck her; unattractive - guys don't want to fuck her.

First, do "naturally" unattractive girls receive a blast of motivation and start to work on themselves? No, an ugly girl will complain that no man wants her, and might descend into compulsive eating and become fat.

Second, do women hitting the wall, their attractiveness declining because of age, change their attitude into more feminine and develop some character traits to compensate for their fading looks? No, they stay equally entitled and would rather blame men that they only like younger ones.

Third, if all the men in the world agreed not to fuck women anymore, effectively treating them as unattractive, how would that affect them? They will probably get depressed. They will probably blame men. They will probably all die alone.

"Work hard to get laid" is a man thing. Girls are the passive side of the trade. Unattractive girls don't go and approach men, they also don't acknowledge any responsibility of their part in the situation. Women see the world as driven by some external forces (men, God, fate, stars, whatever), never by their own fucking selves.

[deleted] · 2018-08-18T15:11:13+00:00

I almost feel bad for what we did to German and Japanese culture to turn them from warriors into this. Almost.

greenlittleman · 2018-08-19T21:26:55+00:00

BTW this quote is bullshit "As of now more than 60% of all men in their 20s are Sōshoku danshi. Here is the wiki for the phenomenon: Herbivore men - Wikipedia"

Not 60% of all men, but 60% of men who is single in their twenties and thirties. And only about 30% of men are single in their thirties, i.e. you could get what only 20% of men (lowest tier) become so called herbivore. Guy who answered on quora most likely just try to falsify facts to make his point more extreme.

Betterthanuatlife · 2018-08-20T13:04:03+00:00

I couldn't explain it any better than this guy did. He really hit a home run in this response.

ahahhahahahhaa · 2018-08-26T06:50:11+00:00

Sick of investing in women to receive certain comforts, and as a result pay another women to let them rest their head in her lap...same thing.

Poopmaster30008 · 2018-09-07T11:28:07+00:00

I read somewhere that chinese men have become incredibly arrogant to such an extent that chinese girls are the ones doing the chasing over there. This is supposedly due to the lack of desire to have female children. I don't remember where, but I can try to find the source it if someone wants.

SKRedPill · 2018-11-12T11:04:52+00:00

I wonder what women would do if all men gained control over their sex compulsions and went on a commitment strike (or even a sex strike, seriously, I wonder how many guys have turned women down). This is actually very hard -- it is so much easier for a woman to withdraw sex or pull out of a marriage now.

(PS : I think the commitment gatekeeper role is a bit exaggerated, because a) Women have far more control over commitment and as you may be aware, 80% of divorces are initiated by them and b) Seriously, if men had the same control over commitment, women would be the ones proposing for marriage)

If the 80-20 rule is to be believed, men withdrawing won't change the equation much, and actually makes things easier for the top tier guys. The population of men in fact needs to drop to 20% of the total, consisting of only the most attractive men with sufficient resources before the dread becomes intense enough to tip the balance back in favour of men.

That, or get rid of the welfare state.

Quo210 · 2018-08-15T16:32:24+00:00

So... Japan is essentially a Red Pilled (male) Society?

This is a very interesting read. Since I found TRP just very very recently, I've wondered what would happen if most men took on his job to learn the truth and just move from the blue-pilled attitude to being self-caring, independant and open about their desires and expectations for their own life, and ditch every one else as a secondary worry.

Thanks for sharing this

TopOccasion29 · 2018-08-15T20:05:46+00:00

They would only chase the top 20% men...as they have always done. Some would chase the remaining 80% to be their betabux though.

[deleted] · 2018-08-15T20:12:29+00:00

Let me tell you the puss in Japan is ripe for the picking. Although not all Japs would make great wifes they'll at least cook and clean your place while they nag you to death.

[deleted] · 2018-08-16T06:46:25+00:00

Japan and co will be the pioneers of transhumanism. Their culture is driven that way by tptb. Asians are the best test subjects, they are adapted to be efficient and obedient.

ovrload · 2018-08-15T16:41:39+00:00

Japanese women won’t care, western men in japan will fight over them

Whisper · 2018-08-15T17:45:17+00:00

+1

(/u/SlyGradient /u/Halitenina )

jonpe87 · 2018-08-15T19:51:24+00:00

No, a generation of jerks will soon be born in Japan, men are the soul of human race, woman can't do shit. Wait like 30 years and new cultural trends will appear. Soon the young boys will realize: "WTF is this shit? Lets get my dick wet and stop being retarded."

[deleted] · 2018-08-15T19:39:26+00:00

I think the real root cause of this issue is related to the Japanese culture of worklife balance. Most Japanese people work in excess of 50-60+ hours per week. The work is often stressful and has even resulted in the creation of a new word for death from overwork. The Japanese word Karoshi means “overwork death” and it was created in the 70s because of the epidemic that was from people dying from or at work. I suspect that the Japanese have not only given up on women but they have also given up on social lives and due to their “hive” mentality they focus more on what they can do for their country vs as an individual. I think that this is why you see such a massive difference between Western culture and Asian culture.

Also, this wasn’t aimed at insulting the OP on this thread. Wanted to clarify that because I didn’t want to hurt your fee fees.

justchilllllin · 2018-08-15T23:22:07+00:00

> as that the Japanese men gave up on women

More like a lot of Japanese guys are just clueless incels. Japanese guys won't approach girls due to fear of rejection because of cultural shaming.

Jackpot807 · 2018-08-16T00:11:46+00:00

So what do you suppose we do about it? Just sit back and watch the world empty out?

chances_are_ur_a_fag · 2018-08-15T17:38:54+00:00

just got back from Japan. complete bullshit. soyboys don't get pussy like everywhere else, me and a homie had a blast.

zyqkvx · 2018-08-15T16:28:24+00:00

If guys suddenly stopped asking women out, would women begin chasing men?

I'm responding to the title before I read the post. Let's see how I do:

That will never happen in American in the foreseeable future so entertaining those ideas are a sure thing road to bluepill thinking.

chazthundergut · 2018-08-15T19:03:15+00:00

The women are right not to coddle the herbivores. Go have a sexual relationship with a computer screen you fucking losers- the Goddess does not want your seed.

[deleted] · 2018-08-15T16:53:41+00:00

My fucking copypasta. OP thought no one would notice this: https://www.quora.com/If-guys-suddenly-stop-asking-women-out-would-women-start-chasing-after-men-asking-them-out

traplikepotato · 2018-08-15T17:26:02+00:00

No but maybe if you got off your fat pale pasty pimply ass and actually went outside and talked to them, maybe you wouldn't be dissecting and analyzing and writing paragraphs on how come you can't get laid.

Title	If guys suddenly stopped asking women out, would women begin chasing men?
Author	m4ch1ina
Upvotes	1468
Comments	401
Date	15 August 2018 02:39 PM UTC (2 years ago)
Subreddit	TheRedPill
Link	https://theredarchive.com/post/51931
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If guys suddenly stopped asking women out, would women begin chasing men?

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