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A Word On AMOGs/Guys Hitting On Your Girl

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aidscancerebola
August 19, 2018
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The advice here tends to be: "Don't get rattled when another guy hits on your girl. Keep frame, etc" This is not bad advice, but it ends up turning into a drawn out interaction that does not need to occur at all. You can get the guy to fuck off/make him look stupid without keeping it going with essentially one phrase:

"Have a good night," then simply walking away with your girl.

I have done this countless times.

Most recently I went on a little morning walk with a plate/fwb after a full night of fucking (I tend to plate women I genuinely enjoy spending time with and I like having these little "mini-dates" with them before/after hooking up.) On our walk I had to use a bathroom so I popped into a place while she waited for me outside on a bench. When I get back there is some guy trying to chat her up. Her body language was not interested and even as I was walking up I could hear him say, "Is that the guy?" meaning she most likely told him something like "I am waiting for my man/bf/wtv"

When I walk up he sticks out his hand and says, "Hi I'm Keith, nice to meet you!" with a big smile. I sort of just look at him, say, "Nice to meet you, have a good day," without shaking his hand, then I calmly take the girl by the hand and walk away. Nothing else is said regarding the incident and I still see this girl regularly, fuck her mouth, ass, etc....

Another example I am in a bar with another fwb. We are sitting at the bar when a guy plops down next to us. He starts chatting us up but in ways that are clearly meant to bust my balls. He makes comments about my appearance, my demeanor, and how hot my woman is, all in the span of about 1 minute. Instead of coming up with something to say, or otherwise engage this idiot, I say, "Have a nice night," take my girl by the hand and move to another place in the venue. The girl 100% knew without being explicitly told why I was making this decision for us and did not question or shit test me.

The truth is, swatting away an AMOG by simply avoiding the entire interaction is as alpha as you can be. Do you think a king would entertain some asshole amoging him and trying to talk up his bitch for the night? If he doesn't have the guy arrested and tortured he will just separate himself from the riffraff.

The beauty of this method is it gives the AMOG 0 chance of saying anything witty as a rebuttal, or give you any rope to hang yourself with. If this is your woman and you've already been inside her, unless you want to fuck with an AMOG for fun you have 0 obligation to 'compete' with this idiot AMOG. As Jeff Bezos himself always says: Competition is for suckers. Look to create a monopoly for yourself.

Have a good night, bitches.


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Title A Word On AMOGs/Guys Hitting On Your Girl
Author aidscancerebola
Upvotes 941
Comments 237
Date 19 August 2018 10:39 PM UTC (1 year ago)
Subreddit TheRedPill
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/51974
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[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt[M] [score hidden] stickied comment (1 child) | Copy

Competition is for suckers. Look to create a monopoly for yourself.

Great line. That's the gist of my advice in the magic hour thread. Why in the fuck would you shoot yourself in the foot by voluntarily going out with terrible logistics when you can leverage things in your favor and limit competition as much as possible?

As for pulling the girl away, something else you can do that'll give a good bit of endorphin boost is simply picking her up and spinning in place. She'll get a tingle and you get choice re-positioning to pull her away. I do this from time to time and it's always gotten good reactions, even from women I fail to pull.

[–]BewareTheOldMan354 points355 points  (28 children) | Copy

"...you have zero obligation to 'compete' with this idiot..."

This is good advice - "lions do not concern themselves with mere sheep."

Even more to the fact is that when your woman follows your lead it's direct confirmation that you're her guy.

Also - with the way jerkoffs tend to behave it's as if they're looking for trouble. The occasional man has been killed entering some unnecessary physical altercation and escalating an easily avoidable situation.

[–][deleted] 98 points99 points  (11 children) | Copy

Not even occasional, shit happens every day. Dudes are dying every day because they cant keep it shut and walk away. People die every day bro.. just dont be one of em.

[–]RokSr 1 points [recovered]  (10 children) | Copy

This is why I never advise anyone who is new to RP to chase after married/taken women. I see this countless times where the community pushes new comers who have no game/still have beta tendencies tell them it’s ok to push boundaries at the bar/gym/party. As a cop I have seen retaliation by the husband/boyfriend time and time again. That pussy isn’t worth your life, go for someone who is single. There are millions of women out there.

[–]bikermonk9 points10 points  (8 children) | Copy

Did you see cases where BF/Husband straight up killed the guy? Too shocking to believe but I am sure there must be a lot of such cases

[–]Tuplad18 points19 points  (2 children) | Copy

Friend of my dad who is in a militia knew his wife was cheating. Came home, saw them, went out and threw a grenade inside. Sat for quite a lot of years (in Russia).

[–]HerefortheTuna12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

if that was legal cheating would go down alot

[–]juliusstreicher2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Now THAT was one stylin' Dude!

[–]Enigma2216 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah and it's stupid and I don't know why it even happens. Why would you want to ruin your life over some whore that cheated on you? Fucking idiots ruining their lives over a betraying cunt. Not worth it. Same rule should apply, just walk away and never talk to them again.

[–]RokSr 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy

All. The. Time. I deal with property damage monthly from enraged partners because their wife/husband is cheating. It’s stupid. Then they cry when I take the other half to jail...

[–]greenlittleman13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

You talk about property damage and guy asked about straight up killing.

[–]bikermonk6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

How often is murder involved here?

[–]tigolbittiez1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I’ve met so many young women who are cheats and liars, that it doesn’t surprise me guys hit on “taken” or married women all the time, anymore. Shit, if I didn’t know any better, the Internet has led me to believe that cuckolding and wifeswapping is a normal thing that tons of couples get into.

Society truly brought this culture on itself through selfishness, and not being willing to being honest and open about their own feelings and intentions. Everybody just goes for what they want, everyone else be damned.

Hence, why we’re here. For the record, I actually lost my virginity to a girl who was still technically dating some poor dude. It wasn’t even the direct aftermath, but the fallout months later, where I learned my lesson. I shouldn’t have trusted her because of it, but I was blind and naive, and willing to love this girl.

Lesson learned. That was years ago, and I’ve been a wrecking crew for every potential relationship ever since.

[–]DeCiB3l20 points21 points  (1 child) | Copy

On top of that, you don't have a good argument for self-defense if you are attacked during a verbal altercation that you started.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

"the lion fears not the jackel" - Dexter

[–]bikermonk5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

This weekend guard at the parking lot pointed a gun on my face because I lost my cool. The problem had an obvious solution but Parking Management was busy chatting.

I would have been the occasional guy who could have been killed for escalating an avoidable situation.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

True. I ALWAYS try and defuse a situation, remove myself from that situation whenever possible.

However, there are times it's important to stand your ground, come what may. I'm not saying this to be badass. But you seriously need to be in a position where you're willing to put yourself in a situation where you're sincerely ready to take a good hiding if need be.

You don't have to win in these situations, no-one is expecting you to be the hardest man in the world. You just have to be game for a fight.

The other person will sense if you're not, and you will end up in a fight. But more often than not the very fact you're sincere, or a at least have other people believe you're game, then you will not end up in a fight.

There are very few people who will engage with someone who is prepared to fight them back as hard as they can and are prepared to lose in the process.

The only people who will continue to engage and fight you are pyschos. But then you're going to get problems with those people even if you do walk away anyway.

As I said, walk away, diffuse the situation, but always be prepared to stand your ground if it comes to it. If that worries you, then learn self defence. It's shit, but that's the world we live in.

In an ideal world, walking away, diffusing, would and should work, but not everyone is rational, and there are some with a point to prove that will see that as weakness and will continue to come at you, and it's at that point you really do need to have that primal spark ready inside you.

No questions.

[–]furcryingoutloud1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I don't consider myself a hard ass at all. Not one iota. But the question is, are you willing to beat the living fuck out of me. Because you may just have to. I can take a beating, if you are game to give one.

[–]BewareTheOldMan1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You're spot on - ALWAYS be prepared to defend yourself because some self-proclaimed troublemaker may not even give you a choice.

[–]nahlolol259 points260 points  (53 children) | Copy

Walking out of a concert Friday night I accidently bumped into a girl. Took advantage of the situation and said hey with a smirk. She smiled and said hey back. From a distance I heard some guy say "keep walking dude". I laughed and kept talking to her. She kept the conversation going. The same guy said "keep walking" again. I laughed and continued the conversation with her. This guy then yells "you don't want any of this man, keep walking".

At this point I shook my head and laughed again. Stopped talking to the girl and "kept walking" with my friends.

Her face was completely red with embarrassment.

While standing at the light waiting to cross the street, I could hear them arguing. Didn't catch anything but could feel the frustration in both their voices.

Maybe this guy was her boyfriend. Maybe he was an orbiter and paid for her ticket, bought her food, drinks and expected her to fuck him that night.

Either way. How he acted doesn't look good. I felt the cringe this girl felt.

Don't be that guy.

[–]Andgelyo71 points72 points  (36 children) | Copy

On the flip side to this, what is the appropriate action if your plate/girl reacts positively? Call it a night and say “have fun” while he fucks your girl? Lmao (semi serious question)

[–]OhBittenicht76 points77 points  (8 children) | Copy

Happened to me, and yes, I literally said 'have fun' and walked off. Don't know what happened with them after that and I won't say I didn't care. What I can say is she practically stalked me after that, turned up at my work, at pubs I frequent, messaged me all the time. So was I down trodden for a bit? Yes. But in the end I felt powerful and confident. I did the right thing, I moved on and I don't regret it. It's her loss and she knew it.

[–]plenty_of_eesh16 points17 points  (7 children) | Copy

Uhhh at what point did you say have fun? How much attention had she already shown him, how hard was he hitting on her, etc.

Doing that after she makes out with him is one thing. But after she smiles at his first joke is another.

Context is everything.

[–]OhBittenicht36 points37 points  (5 children) | Copy

Without going into huge detail (was a while ago). On a night out, I went to the toilet came back and found her talking to a group of guys. In hindsight I should have immediately moved us to a different pub (you live and learn). Kept drinking with them for a while, eventually she went outside with one of them for a cig, they'd been a while so I went outside to see what was going on. She was touching his face, they were stood very close, just thought, nah, not having this. It wasn't the first thing she'd done and I should have put my foot down earlier in the relationship about other things. But you know, there was no Reddit Redpill forum back then, it was all trial and error.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy

She just went outside for a cig and left you with your dick in your hand? And you guys had came just the two of you? Yeah fuck that man. The level of outright disrespect. Maybe it was an overt shit test but a girl that shit tests like that isn’t worth the head ache.

I could see maybe if you were working the bar as well but if she just ditches cause you had to piss....naw

[–]OhBittenicht5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

Basically yes to both. Looking back maybe it was a shit test but even so, fuck that, not a shit test worth passing.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah I agree. A girl that shit tests like that is not even plate material.

[–]1TheProphetPhysiquiel2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

You learn more from your losses than you do from your victories. I bet you haven't made the same mistake since.

[–]degenerate_killer6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

You will know when it hits you. Once she starts disregarding you and choosing another guy over you. Fucking drop em and ghost town.

[–]theredfinance81 points82 points  (17 children) | Copy

If that happens , you should find another girl. Btw , I don't recommend going to clubs with your LTR. There are many chanches other men may appear better than you in some situations

[–][deleted] 37 points38 points  (9 children) | Copy

This was a concert. Do you also recommend avoiding all form of entertainment just in case a better alpha is around?

[–]1Your_Coke_Dealer38 points39 points  (5 children) | Copy

He specified clubs. Clubs are one of few places designed for men to flex for women’s attention. Bottle service tables and VIP entry to show your wealth, pricy drinks for men to buy but comped everything for the ladies, and the whole establishment exists for approaches. Nightlife is a scam for the average man in general, a social filter to weed out those who do give a fuck, particularly about money, but also about women. In other words, they’re one big shit test.

OP’s “have a good night” tactic works for clubs, concerts, or anywhere, but if you want to have a good time, clubs are not the place. They’re not for your entertainment, they’re for women’s, and to line someone’s pockets. So if you must go to a club in an LTR, you aren’t fucked, but you can’t really relax the same as at somewhere you go just to enjoy the place

[–]Brantmobile18 points19 points  (1 child) | Copy

Solid advice. I truly do not understand how a night out with a LTR at a club can be defined as 'fun' as it defies the very basic goal of going to a club in the first place.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Shows and concerts can have the same issues but the fuck if I’m not gonna go out and get down at a show just because I have a LTR.

[–]RawketPropelled 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

They’re not for your entertainment, they’re for women’s, and to line someone’s pockets.

They're not even for women's entertainment. Clubs start right off with giving you an anxiety problem (dark, can't hear others, overly loud everything, people crammed together) then selling you the 'solution' to that problem at exorbitant prices: The Bar.

Clubs are for chumps.

[–]1Your_Coke_Dealer2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

You’re right as well, but there’s also the matter of getting people to buy into the scam in the first place. Clubs cater to women, so men show up to meet those women, so the club can rob those chumps blind with drink prices.

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt[M] 11 points12 points  (2 children) | Copy

There's always another just around the corner. That's why it's just your turn. Do with that information what you will.

[–]3whatsthisgarg17 points18 points  (0 children) | Copy

That's why it's just your turn.

Wrong mindset. It was HER TURN, and her turn is over.

[–]furcryingoutloud2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yes, agreed. Maybe handcuffing the LTR and sticking her in a closet will make her stay longer? Don't know, will have to try sometime, like, never.

She's either completely dedicated to making it your turn, or she's already gone. If she's gone, why on earth would I want here here?

[–]bikermonk19 points20 points  (3 children) | Copy

But then you become the guy who doesnt go to clubs but Chad in the office does

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

I’ve never dated a girl who wanted to go to the club and I don’t want to go to the club either.

[–]2CasaDeFranco3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Club's are fun with your boys, but don't bring meat to a lion's den.

[–]furcryingoutloud4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

Can't keep her in a bottle man. Avoiding going to clubs is not going to accomplish a thing. By all means, let her out to play. You want to manipulate a woman to be with you? Nah, I take any woman, plate, LTR, whatever, anywhere, if she finds her Chad, then all the best. And good riddance.

[–]theredfinance5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

I don't keep her in a bottle. I read here a comment on a post, some months ago, how to respond when she wants to go partying: "My girlfriends don't go to clubs" - then withdraw attention.

Since I had used that response, she has never wanted to go to any party/club/concert without me.

I don't go to clubs because I do not enjoy them. Expensive drinks, loud music and drunk people. If you want to get laid, it's okay, but as a couple is a no go.

[–]furcryingoutloud1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Of course to each his own. I never went to clubs alone. I never found it to be productive enough. But if my girl wants to go dancing, I'm game. But wouldn't blame you. Just make sure it's not done so you can keep her longer.

And the post you refer to, I remember, but I think the guy was talking about his girl wanting to go clubbing with her friends. But then again, I would not give a fuck either way. Hell, all my girls can even have a boyfriend. I couldn't care either way. They usually come back for more when they break up.

[–]bikermonk3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I was going to ask this seriously

[–]OfficerWade1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

If she wants you to know some guy is getting fresh with her, you’re probably too late to intervene but if you see it happening simply step in and say hey is there a problem? So Like a cop might do when he investigates. You can set a boundary.

[–]Field_Of_View16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy

I don't think that's a good idea at all. In his shoes I would respond "no" and lots of women won't say anything in that situation. So now your question went nowhere and nothing has changed, except you've shown jealousy. How is this helping you?

[–]3chazthundergut-1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy

Good for her. She found a man who made her pussy wetter than you. Be happy for your bitch and go find another one.

[–]Andgelyo0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

You. You were the big dude who manipulates women to sleep with him despite this subreddit encouraging self improvement (which includes weight loss/gain). I am single, thank you very much. This is more likely to happen to you however.

P.S. I have plenty of bitches on deck, if you want I can send you a screen shot of tinder matches and my conversations.

[–]3chazthundergut0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Did a big fat guy fuck your bitch too?

[–]Andgelyo0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Nah you wish. I would gladly have my hypothetical girl get fucked by a 6 foot plus, money making, built chad though because he’s worthy enough and put the time in, instead of you.

[–]3chazthundergut1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

"I would gladly have my hypothetical girl get fucked by a 6 foot plus, money making, built chad though"

Cuck

[–]Andgelyo0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Say that now fattie, but you’ll be the cuck when your wife and mother of your kids will be deep throating guys like me

[–]winterroving3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

similar thing happened to me in a bar.

guy and gal on bar, i ask them if theyre together as to not stir up shit. They both strongly deny so i go for it. The guy gets more and more agitated, asking me WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS and more stupid shit. Spider tingles in my stomach but keep going. Eventually guy sucker punches me.

1.Trust your gut.

  1. Never underestimate the damage a beta can cause if he thinks hes hitting rock bottom

[–]hearse22315 points16 points  (7 children) | Copy

If he had just grabbed the girl, said to you "have a nice day man" and walked away, you'd just let her go without pursuing?

[–]Eighth__Man133 points134 points  (0 children) | Copy

What else would you do? Physically stop them? That would make you look really dumb.

[–]SPER 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

No, you challenge him to a push-up contest. Winner gets the girl and crowned King of the corner. Loser call never walk through that side of the street again.

[–]Do-it-for-you13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

With or without her consent?

If the girl’s happily going along with it, you’ve already lost.
You could try to outwit him, but do you really want to “challenge” another guy for a girl that’s not respecting you.

If she’s being dragged away by force, then you intervene obviously.

[–]furcryingoutloud9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

Pursuing who? A woman willing to walk away with another man at a club? Shit man, yeah, I'd find another girl and have a drink to Chad and the hooker he just left with.

[–]FindTheBus-3 points-2 points  (6 children) | Copy

"hey here's a story about how a moron did a terrible job at something and made himself look bad, anyway that means you can't do that thing at all or you will look bad"

[–]nahlolol14 points15 points  (4 children) | Copy

Are you not capable of understanding that this short story of a Friday night is an example of how a women may react to AMOGing? It's pretty clear that the story agrees with OPs topic.

Acting the way the guy did was very unattractive and made the girl cringe with embarrassment.

[–]FindTheBus2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

But that story isn't about someone AMOGing. It's about a guy being a retard who lowered his status. If you can't tell the difference between these different things, and you think they're all the same as what the guy in your story did, you may be on the spectrum.

[–]nahlolol2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

You make a good point. It's possible I'm on the spectrum. It's also possible I don't know what AMOGing means too. Maybe I should of elaborated instead of keeping it short.

The walk from the time I bumped into her till the time he raged was about 10 min or so. In between him telling me to "keep walking" he was making comments about a guy wearing a snap back (me). He kept trying to get her attention, interrupt us, being loud and she ignored him keeping her attention on me.

The guy was clearly trying to make himself look better than me. I was hitting on her and he was trying to get me to stop by trying to put the attention back on him.

Is that not AMOGing someone?

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Nah. He was mate guarding. Neither of you were AMOGing.

[–]MurkyArtichoke 1 points [recovered]  (15 children) | Copy

I think there’s a sweetspot between acting like you are bothered by having someone chatting up your girl, and not giving a fuck at all. Showing that you get easily jealous isn’t a good trait and makes you seem needy, but letting your girl possibly branch out isn’t a good idea either, it looks weak. Like, when you got out from the bathroom and this stranger is there chatting up your girl, why would you shake his hand and start talking to this random guy? Even if he was acting nice, it wouldn’t benefit you in any way. At the same time, if you started to show jealousy and argue with the guy, that’s when you lose frame. Just cutting him off, «have a good night» etc is the perfect response to these encounters, completely agree. And that also applies to life situations in general in my opinion. So many people out there looking for an excuse to get physical, show dominance or argue or whatever. Don’t give them an opportunity to do so.

So many times i’ve encountered situations at parties where some dude who is into the same girl you’re talking to trying to test your frame, looking for a chance to get a confrontation with you. Best thing is to just be unphased by it. Tell him to have a good night and move on. Made a mistake once to start arguing with this buff dude who was into the same girl i was chatting up. Turns out he had a short temper and did drugs. Punched me right in the mouth the fucker. Frame considerably lowered.

[–]rorrr3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy

I hope you called the police on his ass.

[–]MurkyArtichoke 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy

I actually called the police but i backed out. Was really drunk and i remember thinking that i didn't remember what i said or did to this guy so i didn't want to escalate the situation any further. I talked to a few of the people who were there afterwards and didn't get a clear picture. One girl said she saw us arguing and then he suddenly started choking me and then punched me or something. I got a small tear on the end of my lip and had to do stiches the day after. Got a small scar but not very noticable, people i meet don't mention it so i guess it's not that big of a deal. You're aboslutely right though i should have reported his ass immediately. Some people i talked to mentioned that he had been to prison for rape or something earlier and had drug problems before. Also used roids. I live in a small town so he often shows up in social media and he seems to be popular with girls here. Just shows girls don't really care much if the guys they fuck are assholes/convicted rapists, as long as they are attractive and buff.

[–]Andgelyo3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

I never found it to be productive enough. But if my girl wants to go dancing, I'm game. But wouldn't blame you. Just make sure it's not done so you can keep her longer.

If i ever got punched in the mouth by some roided up asshole, best believe I'm calling up my friends and driving around for him with a bat in my hand

[–]MurkyArtichoke 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

Think you quoted the wrong sentence mate

[–]Andgelyo0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah idk how that happened lol stupid iPhone

[–]furcryingoutloud-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

Always respect a man who's chatting up a girl. Even at the cost of losing her contact. Never compete, ever. Abundance mentality will always win out. Never, ever compete.

[–]FindTheBus-124 points-123 points  (8 children) | Copy

Made a mistake once to start arguing with this buff dude who was into the same girl i was chatting up. Turns out he had a short temper and did drugs. Punched me right in the mouth the fucker. Frame considerably lowered.

You got what you deserved. I hope the pain was a good lesson.

[–]BloodSurgery80 points81 points  (1 child) | Copy

Found the buff dude with short temper and who did drugs.

[–]modTheRedPike[M] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

You seem to be creating quite the fan club around the sub lately.

[–]FindTheBus-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

how many people have reported me

can you name names

i want to know who to mock for being whiny little babbies

[–]Rian_Stone4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Anyone pissing off this many LARPERs in here deserves a spot on my follow list.

cheers

[–]FindTheBus2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Sometimes I amaze even myself

[–]bestplayer2348 points49 points  (1 child) | Copy

Simple and to the point, he deserves none of your time.

[–]feelingthis5356 points57 points  (0 children) | Copy

Bravo!!! Thanks for the words of wisdom.

[–]Nicolacho777 points78 points  (11 children) | Copy

I legit don’t give a fuck if they hit on her. Either they pull it off or not. I gave up on trying to stop around 3 guys per night. It’s annoying. Like deal with it.

Like this shit made me reconsider about what type of girl I want. If I get a nerdy bitch she may not know how to say no. The hood rat probably knows how to reject better.

[–]rpsheepdog86 points87 points  (0 children) | Copy

If she wants another guy she is gonna make it happen anyways...

[–]Zech4riah6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

I don't understand this. There seems to be shitloads of guys who are having this kind of problem.

There hasn't been a single time where someone had hit up my girl in bar in my presence over the last 15 year period and the couple of times it sort of has happened, the guy who came in to the group has apologized me and asked for permission to speak to us (not her, to us) while confirming if we are a couple or not.

This may be a cultural thing too?

[–]Sinister_Smooth1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I get the feeling that these people go to places that are swarming with single guys. I've never had to fight anyone off my partner because we look legit and only go places with respectable people.

Although my partner also has resting bitch face and snarls at any single guy that even looks at her so I think I found a good one.

[–]eaazzy_1318 points19 points  (6 children) | Copy

My LTR is a payroll stripper (it presents its own unique challenges) but quite possibly the nicest benefit is that she is the BEST at curving some out of line sexual competitors. I don’t get AMOG’d ever cause she’s a ruthless bitch to any and every poor bastard that ever comes at her. It’s nice, I just get to sit back and smile. My exes were always too polite to say no so this is something I really appreciate.

She’s a cold hearted bitch to all these nerds out there but if you’re a legit dude who swings the dick right, you can make her put her evil powers to use for your own benefit.

[–]TylerPonsford11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy

I agree, my LTR shuts down literally any guy and mugs him off better than anyone here ever could. I believe that if anyone is even having a problem with their girl potentially talking to another guy like this, or entertain the idea, then they need to reevaluate what they're doing in the bedroom.

[–]eaazzy_134 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Hell yeah dude I couldn’t agree more. Almost every problem men have with women can be solved with re-evaluating how they’re dickin their women down. If you hit it right, you can greatly increase the length of your turn with them. And there’s always room to get better at fuckin.

[–]1KyfhoMyoba1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I knew a guy that was engaged to a stripper and had a kid with her. Said she was amazingly loyal and when they were out (not at the strip club) and guys would hit on her - she's a hard 9, she would shut them down firmly, but politely. Seen it myself.

A stripper gets hit on all day long. They do this for a living. Their job is to manage this attention into a living for themselves. When strangers hit on her, they go into the category of "here's another customer," and I think that this has a tendency to polarize and accentuate her attraction to her man.

Just spit balling, here.

[–]eaazzy_130 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You’re spot on. Keeping horny men at bay is literally their profession. Entitlement is a large, negative issue unfortunately, but it works in my favor when men hit on her and she says “you think ima talk to you for free, you weirdo?” and I don’t even have to worry bout it.

She’s very, very good at maintaining boundaries with other males. If she wasn’t, I wouldn’t be able to be with her given the circumstances. But she knows whatsup and does it right, so as long as that’s the case, I’m gunna enjoy this while I can.

[–]aidscancerebola[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

most likely, your non-pro LTRs simply fucked a lot of guys and don't know how to say 'no' period. inexperienced girls will simply hold onto you, or make it nonverbally known to the AMOG that she's 'with you'..... you know? lmao

[–]furcryingoutloud43 points44 points  (26 children) | Copy

I don't mean to be disrespectful with this question. But how is it that other men see fit to approach a girl who is obviously with you? I'd like to explore what we transmit to others that allow them to think they can disrespect us in that manner. Fear? Weakness? You have any idea what it could be? Do you lift? Does it show?

I don't remember ever having to defend my position in the way you describe it above. But I am curious about it.

[–]ebaymasochist25 points26 points  (0 children) | Copy

Just the fact that 98% of the time there are not going to be consequences.. It's not the wild west. Most guys are not going to assault someone for having a conversation with their girl.. So it's a gamble

[–]FindTheBus21 points22 points  (21 children) | Copy

They think that you are their bitch and they can take your sandwich.

It does not matter that the sandwich is replaceable. What matters is the mentality behind what they are trying to do.

I wouldn't let someone take a single crushed m&m off me. Good luck trying to punk me out of something I can use as a cumdumpster.

[–]furcryingoutloud40 points41 points  (20 children) | Copy

Good answer. But what about your demeanor makes them think you're a bitch. I'm trying to get/make the point that if you're even slightly jacked and don't look like you're a wimp, it's not going to happen often. I may be lucky, but I've never had anyone hit up a woman in my presence. If I leave to go take a piss or something, yeah. But usually, my arrival alone is enough to have the guy leave.

To bottom line this. If this is happening in your presence, you have a lot, a lot more gym to do. And if you're a shorter guy, then your goals should be to become as wide as you can. Muscle wise I mean. But nobody walks up to a lion to take his food. Unless he's dressed up as a kitty.

[–]ChrimsonChin98821 points22 points  (1 child) | Copy

Partly true. Some people are just very confident/drunk/on drugs and approach your girl regardless of your looks, they just don’t give a fuck. Maybe you’re jacked but short and I’m jacked and tall and I think I can AMOG you. Perhaps you’re good looking but I’m rich and therefore I think I can AMOG you. There are so many reasons as to why someone could decide to AMOG you.

For example, one guy that comes to mind who I initially would think never gets AMOGed is Dwayne Johnson. He’s good looking, charismatic, tall, jacked AF, rich and famous. Yet I’m 100% sure people will still try to amog even him. Why? Because how cool would it be to AMOG The Rock himself?

It happens to even the best of us. However, the higher your status the easier they’re dealt with. Dwayne Johnsom would merely need to laugh and they would instantly be pulled into his frame.

[–]FindTheBus17 points18 points  (16 children) | Copy

if you're even slightly jacked and don't look like you're a wimp, it's not going to happen often.

First, that is 100% not true- if it were, no one would ever LOSE a confrontation or a punk-out attempt, as they would only be happening to people who are 'wimps'. Second, go ask the built people at your local gym if they never get challenged by people who aren't as built as they are. They'll laugh the very idea.

Clearly, to anyone with a sense of the reality of the world, it happens all the time.

I grew up with a circle of friends who liked to do the "Q ship" tactic in bars and clubs. Act a little submissive and beta around the other guys, switch it up and properly chat up some girls, almost always lures in some guys who think they're gonna punk us based on what they saw earlier. Pretty solid way to get a good fight going where you can't get held responsible once the tapes get reviewed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q-ship

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

This guys a tool looking for fights. Unless you like fighting in public like a fucking moron, don’t listen to this person.

[–]BostonPillParty7 points8 points  (7 children) | Copy

Whoa what

Qship story please

[–]1-Fidelio-6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Heh, that's some art of war shit right there.

Appear weak when you are strong, and strong when you are weak

[–]FindTheBus1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy

Just shit like wearing khaki pants and a pink button down to punk rock bars, acting the right way, you can imagine the rest.

[–]presto_manifesto0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Tbh, if you were wearing a pink button down shirt in a punk bar, and I came over and started chatting with the girl you were with, it would mostly be because I thought you were fucking gay and not actually dating her. If you got in my face I'd have to tell you "look dude, you look gay as fuck, it ain't my fault." Come on now.

[–]BostonPillParty-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy

TIL..and there isn’t anything as far as I can see about that online. Thanks for sharing, always great to learn something that isn’t on Wikipedia

[–]FindTheBus3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

The wiki link explains the reference though, at least as far as naval subterfuge goes.

[–]BostonPillParty6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

Oh totally get the original phrase, and the use of that term.

But I never knew there was a term for going out, acting sly on the DL through your actions and appearance to lure meatheads in just to start a fight.

Honestly it sound like a fun activity to try out. I know that’s wrong and my jiujitsu teacher would choke me for starting shit, but to bait and just retaliate...tempting.

[–]FindTheBus2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I don't know if it exists as a term. It could. It isn't my place in the world to make it one.

Grew out of baiting confrontation, over time. Still won't tolerate it if it comes to me.

[–]furcryingoutloud6 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy

as they would only be happening to people who are 'wimps'.

Wrong, they would happen more to people who look like wimps. Being jacked is not a solution. I've seen ripped guys back down fast from a confrontation. Attitude plays a huge role. Being ripped is just another aspect that may reduce the occurrences. It really helps.

They'll laugh the very idea.

We go to very different gyms.

[–]FindTheBus4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Clearly you live in an alternate universe where people only challenge wimps.

[–]Gaius_Octavius-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

Never happens to me either, clocking in at 235.

[–]Zech4riah-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

But nobody walks up to a lion to take his food. Unless he's dressed up as a kitty.

Couldn't have said any better... :D

[–]Zech4riah0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

My thoughts exactly. Never had to defend my position and if I'm visiting toilet etc and my girl gets hit around that time - it's only enough that I go and stand next to her without saying anything and just casually watch the guy. Usually in 1min they leave.

[–]2CasaDeFranco0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

What's funny is that the hotter women I've dated haven't had this as big of a problem.

With 7's this happens all the time, return from the bar, bathroom whatever and a new orbiter appears.

But with 9's, it's super rare.

Usually, if you ask politely, "We're in the middle of a conversation that's private", and gesture for them to leave.

[–]aidscancerebola[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Combination of 'polite society', ego, and plausible deniability.

[–]1MrTheFalcon13 points14 points  (4 children) | Copy

Acknowledging him and walking away is a good way to draw a line, and let the other guy save face. Not shaking is putting yourself above him, without rubbing it in his face.

The more you get into it, the more you say, the more it becomes a conflict.

Brilliant.

[–]Hamilton950B-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy

Refusing to shake the guy's hand when he offers it is an insult. It's like saying "fuck you." Why would you do that? Shake his hand, say goodbye, and leave.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Why would you shake this guy hand lol? He his courting your women."Yeah right peace lol"

[–]juliusstreicher2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

No, the dude is trying to manipulate you. He's trying to steal your girl and make you shake his hand. It's an old trick.

[–]1MrTheFalcon1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Exactly! It's like saying "fuck you" without actually saying it. Kinda like when he is hitting on your girl, when you are right there.

If he was polite, he would say, "Ah, sorry guys. I didn't know." And he would be on his way.

Don't be nice. Show your teeth, but do it in a way that allows the other guy to back out, and save face. Your woman will love it because it shows social acumen, and strength.

[–]ReturningSpider53 points54 points  (7 children) | Copy

Not gonna disagree with the advice ITT, but if you physically intimidate the guy and make him look like a bitch it can really give her the tingles.

Again not saying you should do this, just sharing the experience lol

[–]FindTheBus47 points48 points  (1 child) | Copy

Bluepill: women hate mateguarding

Redpill: women hate passive aggressive whiny bitch mateguarding, women love it when a man beats down the competition

[–]1KyfhoMyoba7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Saint Rollo of Tomassi sayeth:

Beta males mate guard, alpha males disregard. I.e., when their main woman is being engaged by another man, the alpha goes and games a different, hotter woman, showing pre-selection, and thus, inspiring DREAD.

Post on here a oouple of years ago, guy goes to his LTR's (10 year?) high school reunion. She goes to the bathroom, and is gone for a while, he looks for her. Sees her in the hallway surrounded by some guys, one of them is leaning in to her, and they look like they're about to kiss or something. She doesn't see the BF, so he (bf) goes back out into the main room, starts flirting with some hottie who is clearly younger than the 10 year cohort. Within a few minutes, his LTR comes looking for HIM, grinds up on him, shuts down the hottie, and never leaves his side not only the rest of the night, but starts treating him better than ever, i.e., she mate-guards HIM.

[–]Do-it-for-you9 points10 points  (3 children) | Copy

You’re not wrong, but if you intimidate the wrong person, you’ll get in a fight, at worst you’ll get stabbed. Is it really worth the effort?

[–]ReturningSpider13 points14 points  (2 children) | Copy

I said twice in my comment that I don’t recommend this. I’m not saying you go out and start a fight every time someone hits on your girl. Ive been in a grand total of one fight in my life, and it wasn’t girl related.

Sometimes things just happen, and context is very important. There’s a world of difference between roughing up some drunk frat boy acting up, and picking a fight with a pack of chocolate Americans outside a bar at 2AM.

If anyone happens to give a fuck, here’s the story I had in mind with that comment - was at a college party with LTR gf at the time, I ran into some guys I hadn’t seen in a while so I left her alone to go catch up with them. When I come back, this preppy dickwad is trying to chat her up, gf says “oh see he’s back I told you I had a boyfriend”, guy comes up to me and starts saying supremely retarded stuff like “oh so I guess you don’t let her have friends huh?”. I let it be, ignored his nonsense but the dude insisted on getting in my face saying “what, did I scare you?” At this point his body language was pretty aggressive, he was half shoving me and honestly I’d had a bit to drink myself so I wasn’t exactly my normal calm self. Grabbed him by the collar and put him up against a wall and told him he’s getting annoying and he needs to shut up and fuck off. The guy walked off saying I need to relax and why do I take everything so seriously lol

I’m 210lbs and I train martial arts, this guy had your typical soy filled physique with soft skinny arms and a fat gut. I knew my odds were pretty good going in.

And just to be sure, I’m going to clarify one more time that I do not recommend this, since it seems some did not catch that. You’re endangering yourself, and it’s a dick move. You won’t always have the luxury of getting into this situation in a “safe” setting like I did. Pretty much 100% of fights are avoidable unless you’re dealing with a crazy person.

[–]3whatsthisgarg1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

but if you physically intimidate the guy and make him look like a bitch it can really give her the tingles.

You forgot to tell the second part of this, where the woman gets turned on.

But it's true, sometimes a bit of aggro is called for. Usually all it takes is a look of who the fuck are you and what the fuck do you think you're doing?

The last time this happened she was talking to a co-worker I didn't remember. The dude was bigger than me but he actually literally cowered and slouched down. As we left she said "what was up with that aggressive hostility?" And yes, she was very turned on. Not that I did it consciously, it was just a very natural response.

[–]Brantmobile1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

it can really give her the tingles.

or can it get you fucked up for good/shot/stabbed.

[–]falconiawillfall36 points37 points  (10 children) | Copy

When I was blue pilled, I was clubbing one night with my gf and she was drunk af. I went and got drinks and came back to a guy grabbing her, but she was smiling/laughing. It was at this point I mentally checked out of my LTR and just sat back and watched the show. She came up to me after and asked why I didnt help her, to which I replied "It looks like you were having fun so I didnt bother." She said she tried telling him she has a bf but he wouldnt take no for an answer, saying "it doesn't work like that around here", which she thought was very funny. This wasn't the first time she had failed to respect our relationship. Moral of the story?

  1. I was retarded for picking her as an LTR

  2. If your girl's going to cheat on you, she'll find a way regardless of your mate guarding

  3. This was a great way for me to find out how she handled guys hitting her up on GNO (hint: she loved it)

  4. Now I could give less of a fuck if a guy's hitting up the girl I'm with, it's not worth my time or energy to intervene (of course, if she had been visibly distressed/clearly wanting him to fuck off, I would have stepped in)

[–]confusedguy91191146 points47 points  (8 children) | Copy

I see zero point in even bothering with shit like this . 1: if some jerkoff decides to hit on the woman I’m with that night good for him and good luck 2: my woman already knows she’s with me and if she decided to flirt and give him her number or worse (hasn’t happened yet) then he can keep the bitch I’ll move on. 3: last time this happened to me at the time she was what one would consider my “gf” , she laughed at the guy and walked away with me.

Woman who wanna cheat ,get attention or go with some guy or bang a new cock will , this extra effort requirement by me isn’t necessary.There will always be betas ,orbiters,guys on the liquid courage etc etc ... Lifting or being bigger than average doesn’t scare off stupid , if it did most of us would be left alone to enjoy our nights.I also wouldn’t walk out of a venue because some guy was hitting on my woman, it’s her job to flush the garbage out. If she didn’t well.... when someone uses my toothbrush I throw it out and get a new one.

[–]aidscancerebola[S] 72 points73 points  (5 children) | Copy

While I agree with you on paper, women will size up how you deal with other men, either conscious or subconsciously (and mostly subconsciously.) When an AMOG decides to impose himself on your conversation, are you seriously expecting the girl to tell him to fuck off? You're the man, she is going to defer to you to deal with interlopers. This post has very little to do with keeping your girl from sleeping with the interfering AMOG, and more to do with how not to be socially cucked by some random AMOG. Your plate is 99.8% not going to leave with the AMOG even if he makes you look retarded, but any interaction that lowers your frame is going to change her tingles for you. That's why imo it's simply best not to play by telling any AMOGs to "Have a good night."

[–]FindTheBus13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

when an AMOG decides to impose himself on your conversation, are you seriously expecting the girl to tell him to fuck off? You're the man, she is going to defer to you to deal with interlopers.

Hahaha wow you managed to put words to the overall idea I was feeling about this. When you spell it out, expecting HER to be mommy and deal with the interloper sure is "redpilled" and "alpha" LOL

[–]bikermonk4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

are you seriously expecting the girl to tell him to fuck off?

Why not, if she doesnt want something she can say so

[–]furcryingoutloud1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

She most certainly has to make the first move. So yes, she should be the first to tell him to go fuck himself. If necessary, you can then ensure he does so. But being rejected by a woman outright is pretty effective. So yes, I do expect her to bother telling the guy to fuck off.

[–]ioncehadsexinapool8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

I like this. Have a good night.

[–]WoodWizzy8732 points33 points  (5 children) | Copy

Just let your woman shut him down. If she doesn’t, then she is not your woman

-some philosopher

[–]ZeppKfw1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Except there are always those dudes who keep talking to your girl even if she says "I have a bf", etc.

[–]HerefortheTuna4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

well yeah because half the time its fake. I keep talking to a girl until she leaves. Sometimes I just want to have a conversation not looking to fight. If her boyfriend shows up I will talk to him.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

So much scrolling to find this idea...

[–]chambercock 1 points [recovered]  (6 children) | Copy

"grabbed her by the hand and moved to another place in the venue". And when AMOG comes back for round 2? But really what do you do then I'm asking?

[–]aidscancerebola[S] 44 points45 points  (3 children) | Copy

Once the girl willingly walks away with you, she has entered your frame of 'fuck the AMOG'. TBH, I've never had it happen, but should the AMOG actually follow you, and depending on how aggressive he is, I would first try to ignore him, then say something like, "look, we're just trying to have a drink" and go back to talking to my girl, and should it continue beyond that, and again depending on the level of aggression from the AMOG, I would get security involved. I'm a grown man and go to decent venues. I'm over the whole getting into fights bullshit. Being a relatively big dude (over 6ft, 200 lbs) I don't get many takers, but these days I'm the first person to say, "I'm gonna call the cops/security," rather than resort to blows. Tends to calm mother fuckers down real fast once you invoke the police. If this still doesn't get him to go, then he's prolly already swinging on you and there was prolly nothing you could have done to prevent it.

[–]Axiom50214 points15 points  (2 children) | Copy

Yeah I hate to admit it but I was that guy once. It wasn't over a girl it was over some punk/road rage incident. Flipped him off because he ran through a red light. He turned around and started following me so I pulled over and went right up to his (open) passenger window and told him to get the fuck out of the car.

Then he whined and went for his phone and said he was gonna call the cops on me you psycho!!

I admit it did immediately hit me with sense that I could have to deal with police over this insignificant shit so I just went back to my car.

[–]Esk1mOz4mb1k8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy

Reading this reminded me american cops are really not the kind of cops you want to deal with. Good for you though, here in France they're a bunch of cowards and you can't count on them to defend you. Getting suckerpunched has litteraly no consequences (unless you're a woman), better stay on your toes.

[–]aidscancerebola[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

As if USA has a monopoly on violence... people get their asses kicked all over Europe.

[–]hearse2239 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy

You point to your woman, say "my girl" and shoo him away

[–]MaliciousMack20 points21 points  (2 children) | Copy

Begs one question....

If you try to lead someone you just met and she refuses, how do you save face, other than just taking it as a loss?

[–]aidscancerebola[S] 46 points47 points  (0 children) | Copy

My examples focus on girls you've already laid. If a girl you've slept with refuses to be led by you away from some random AMOG, then the battle was lost long before the AMOG showed up and there are holes in your game you're not seeing.

On the other hand, by attempting to physically lead a girl you just met, you are taking a leap of faith she will follow. You are assuming you've created enough tingles/attraction that no unknown AMOG will be able to prevent you from leading her. Should she refuse to follow and isn't encouraged by a light tug, you're best just ejecting and coming at her again at a later time (and moving on to other girls.) Make no mistake: Doing the 'have a good night' against an AMOG with a girl you just met is a gambit and sticking around to deal with the AMOG after you already tried to pull her out will only weaken your frame.

[–]Horses_On_Stilts8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy

I like to give her the feeling that I want her to talk to this guy so she’ll leave me the fuck alone. Works

[–]Witch-Doctor7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Pure gold brother. Why bother with these assholes? They can turn aggressive in an instant anyway. Who has time for that shit? Nice one man, really good stuff.

[–]ebaymasochist16 points17 points  (5 children) | Copy

If you want to have a little fun, just say something like "Oh you're the guy who's in the threesome tonight? You have a pretty face." And then put out your hand

Life is short

[–]juju5154 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy

lol... excellent dude... I'll have to try this... xD

edit:

what if he agrees & amplifies ? o.O

[–]Pestilence19110 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Just tell him traps arent gay and he can borrow your ladies dress.

[–]TheTrenTrannyTrain5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

I like it, simple and easy to implement.

[–]BobbyPeru3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

The girl 100% knew without being explicitly told why I was making this decision for us and did not question or shit test me.

This is my experience after swallowing the pill. Pre-TRP I would have handled situations like this butthurt, mate guarding, entertained the guy (stayed paralyzed). The key is frame, 100%. Once you have strong frame, your girl realizes that a dude like that won’t phase you, and the best move is to move along and not even mention it (in the car or anywhere) ever.

This also applies to situations where a guy is just being a dick and not hitting on your girl. For example, recently I got shit tested by my wife’s dad in front of the whole family. I laughed off his attempt with amused mastery, and I never brought it up with my wife. She didn’t bring it up either because she knows I’m a big boy now and can handle myself. BTW, he STFU and didn’t shit test me the rest of the party. The whole family saw it, and so now they know how much stronger my frame has become, so future shit tests from other family members is less likely.

[–]eaazzy_130 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Mind if I ask for more details? My a LTRs Dad is a real ball buster and I’m curious what was said between you two.

[–]BobbyPeru3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

It was short. My wife and I were discussing where to sit at the table, and she told me she already took a seat somewhere. At that point my FIL said in a loud dickish voice, “she said she wants you to sit right there,” pointing at the obvious spot next to her. I used amused mastery and jokingly said “ I’ll sit wherever I want to sit.”

Now, the key here was the delivery in a DNGAF manner and grinning. Immediately after, I moved right along and cracked a couple unrelated jokes to my wife and she laughed. He basically didn’t reply, and he looked deflated that his little comment didn’t have the desired effect it would have a couple years ago. It’s all about frame. It’s not DEERing if you DNGAF and say it in such a way. It’s a subtle shift in mentality . The real measure was his reaction, which was deflated... and my reaction, which was boisterous and fun.

[–]laylowwww3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

"As Jeff Bezos himself always says: Competition is for suckers. Look to create a monopoly for yourself. "

This was coined by Peter Thiel in Zero to One.

[–]RonValhalla8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Excellent post, if you want more, this is one of the best articles I have ever read on this subject https://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2010/09/when_was_the_last_time_you_got.html

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

I remember one time I was out at night with my girl at the time, and her friend, it was like 1 AM and we were at a sandwich shop. Anyways, I went to use he bathroom and when I came back there was this guy sitting in my spot at the booth. I immediately saw his bloody knuckles and the guy invited me over to try to AMOG me. I knew he was coked out and he kept saying dumb shit like “I’m bigger than you bro” and I took the bait and gave him the time of day, I was like “yeah? Good for you bro” and eventually it was the girls who got uncomfortable and asked me if I wanted to leave, and I told the guy “stay in here until we’re far gone, I’ve got the cops on speed dial.”. Needless to say I didn’t get pussy that night, and the girl said “you should’ve just left and taken us with you, I didn’t realize you could get that aggressive”. I can say for a fact that as soon as I lost frame that night, I could actually feel it slipping away when I engaged with that dude.

OP, great story and excellent advice. Don’t give assholes the time of day, folks.

[–]3LiveAFTSOV9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

Great actionable advice. Will steal this

[–]yamehameha2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Great advice. What is she gonna do? Potentially lose all the investment she put into you in order to go for a new guy she knows nothing about. Nah.

[–]StuttererXXX0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If she thinks the guy is more valuable than you are, that's exactly what she is gonna do.

[–]FindTheBus9 points10 points  (4 children) | Copy

"No you need to just be cool and joke around and let him act like you're some bitch who he can walk up and take a sandwich from, OR ELSE YOU'RE MATEGUARDING! SCARCITY MENTALITY!"

"If she reacts positively to him just leave! Sure he might be going balls deep on her that night while you laid in bed alone BUT YOU DEMONSTRATED HIGH VALUE!"

A lot of the TRP mental motivation shit reminds me a lot of the shit that MLM sales people do to convince themselves that they are CEOs and one step away from driving a Rolls Royce as long as they have the mentality.

Look- if someone comes up to me and takes a bite out of the sandwich I'm eating in a restaurant, they're saying that I am their bitch, that they are superior to me, and they are entitled to just do whatever they want to me. I'm going to fuck someone up if they do that. It's not about the sandwich. The sandwich is replaceable. Publicly trying to punk me and bitchmake me, is unacceptable.

(a chorus of children who spend too much time reading this sub will chime in and insist that no one performs acts of violence or intimidation without going to jail, and that if anyone like that actually existed, there are laws of the universe that somehow prevent them from having access to the internet)

Now if I'm willing to do that over something that CAN'T give me blowjobs or do my laundry...

[–]dark_kniggit1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Exactly. I wouldn't indulge a jehovas witness in the same situation. Why would I do it for any other twit.

[–]ILoveYourYogaPants 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy

I agree with your mindset, it is the principal.

Question for my own curiosity, if it was a guy that you knew could physically take you, would your reaction be the same, or different?

[–]FindTheBus2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Probably provoke him into making the first move. If he's already testing me like that, he'll take the bait. Maybe I'll get my ass kicked. Maybe I won't. If he does manage to kick my ass, I'll just get him later, when he's alone, and doesn't see it coming. And then I get to feel justified about it.

Most common outcome though is he starts chimping out a bit and doing that sway armed white trash/black trash monkey dance, before his friends pull him back or security throws him out.

The point is that if someone is trying to make you look like a bitch, it must be answered, whether through making them look like a socially inept fuckhead, a bitch themselves, or someone doing the 'planking' meme IRL.

[–]Dakstradamus4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

I saw a video on liveleak that is a great example of how losing your cool when a guy checks out/hits on your girl can actually backfire.

The vid was surveillance footage inside a store. There was a couple at the register and some dude adjacent to them giving himself a herniated disc checking out the girls ass.

The guy catches him staring and confronts him, throws a weak ass punch on the dudes jaw which makes him stumble and promptly leave the store.

There was no audio but you could tell the girl was pissed that her man resorted to blows. After being on the tailend of headshakes and arm flails for a good 15 seconds, the dudes demeanor just changes in an instant. His shoulders slump and he walks out the store, dejected, in the voyeurs wake, presumably to chase him down for an apology.

Acting too macho got his girl pissed which then, being forced by his fear of retracted intimacy, he had to enter into her frame and obey.

Maybe he could have held firm on his defense of "m'ladys sanctity" and gotten hot sex that night, but its not worth the risk. Especially nowadays when everyone is a potential concealed carrying, stand-your-ground lunatic.

[–]spartan13371 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

i like it, short and effective.

[–]Luckyluke231 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

great post man, it was short sharp and it has a GREAT point. no bragging no " hey look at me i fucked"

loved it!

[–]Not_creative_fun1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Spot on advice. When I’ve hit on really hot women that had their boyfriends near by (without me realizing) they would often act similarly to this. Not “getting into it” with anyone shows that you’re secure, not threatened, confident and even insinuates that you get this all the time since your girl is hot af and it doesn’t even phase you.

[–]Don_Himself1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

lol @ being dumb enough to commit to a roastie in the first place, but if you really are dumb enough to do so, the best thing to do is agree & amplify and/or flirt with the hot girls there yourself. amuse yourself enough that your girl being hit on makes you laugh.

[–]Zech4riah1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I always wonder why guys are actually taking their plates/FB/FwB to dates. At that point they are not just plates/FB/FwB they are closer to GF or atleast the "girl who you are dating or seeing".

Anyway, to the subject. I never get AMOGed when I'm with a girl so your confidence/attitude/posture/bodylanguage definitely plays a role there. But if it happens some day. I'll try to keep these advices in my mind. Although I'd prefer not to switch place especially if there is lack of tables etc so maybe "have a nice night" with decisive eye contact would be sufficient?

When I'm in a club with a girl I'm fucking (usually MLTR), guys usually talk to them when I'm in toilet etc. When that happens and I come back, I usually stay back a bit and when she notices me I'll just give a smirky smile and let her to get rid of the guy. I just find those kind of situations funny.

[–]womans_algorithm1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

"have a good night"

"wow chill out, i just wanted to introduce myself, why are you so antisocial?"

[–]NiceReporter1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm gonna be honest, shit like this does rattle my cage. I usually try to bottle it and generally handle it well. But I think my problem is that I've never been able to work up the courage to chat up a random girl and when I see it happen to my girl literally right after letting her out of my sight, even though I know she's mine, it makes me feel like shit.

[–]hawkeaglejesus1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Ah yes, shunning someone. It's like slapping them with silence.

[–]RylanBlackwood1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

In my mind walking away makes you look buthurt. I normally just totally ignore the situation and talk/dance with friends.

[–]ardLV1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Okay, very good point!

But my question is:

What if you're like sitting at the table with your girl. Then you go to toilet and when you come back a guy is hitting on your girl. Do you just swtich tables or leave table?

[–]hiddenpleasures1231 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

One thing I learned as a bouncer, say it once and don't say it again. You literally sit there and just stare at them, it conveys talking is over. This is hugely intimidating, because communication is over, the next step is going to blows and you're ready for action.

[–]JcHgvr1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Do you think a king would entertain some asshole amoging him and trying to talk up his bitch for the night?

I think a king would entertain himself by having the guy beheaded. Those were the days.

[–]IliketoeatAMA0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

How would you react if the AMOG starts hitting on the chick you havent fucked yet, but actively trying to? Would the same thing work?

[–]Cloudsurf89[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Good point, well made.

I work in a female heavy environment and for the most part enjoy the occasional shit that gets sent my way. I'll usually playfully trade remarks and genuinely enjoy it as there is no edge on their part - women throwing shit your way can just be them checking you out.

There's one cantankerous older battle axe though who likes to get on her high horse. She ranks significantly below me professionally and interpersonally. I'll sometimes play but often just rise above it - ultimately, what does a boot care what an ant thinks?

[–]numiru0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Reading this it kind of sounds like this guy bothered you in a way. I'd say laugh at his attempt but dont get upset. it kind of shows weakness imo. He clearly wouldn't have a chance so just treat him like a child

[–]auosie0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This is an amazing post and I really enjoyed reading it. I’m interested in where you guys are finding your plates or fwb. I haven’t gotten out much lately and would like to go out on more dates. Not attending any classes currently. Any ideas?

[–]4ktx0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

How do you keep frame when i literally pick your girl up throw her on my shoulders and walk away with her.

[–]Eastuss0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Happens to me sometimes, AMOGs think my short ass don't deserve my gf and try to tell her they're better deal. Another thing that also happen are boyfriend of female friend who joke about threesome with my gf, in front of me. Like nobody can read wtf he is doing...

This is something I've been always saying, aggressiveness is a sign of equality, if you get aggressive that means you feel threatened.

Somehow, the RPW seem to think "true alpha" men will fuck shit up to anyone daring. Meh. But it's been shown testosterone renders men sociable, agreeable and even generous to "lesser" beings.

[–]zncmckskaowidixjsjai0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

If he engages and she speaks to him that means she wants him so I leave, IDGAF.

If he engages her and she does not but he keeps pushing the line then I calmly and respectfully tell him to stop, if he wants a piece of myself he can try, I don`t do MMA for nothing.

[–]1Sir_Distic0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Think. There HAS to be a better way to end the encounter without fighting.

[–]zncmckskaowidixjsjai0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Of course, violence is the last resort and I am willing to use it if things go down the bad route.

[–]resist_the_resisters0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I don't believe in tactical mate guarding, but I ABSOLUTELY believe in strategic mate guarding.

Context: I've been part of a latin dance scene for many years, including teaching and DJ'ing. I have seen dozens of relationships and marriages torpedoed by women being seduced by aggressive, overtly sexual dudes. The presence of machismo goes without saying, but in a city my size, the skill level is relatively high, engendering a groupie-like atmosphere. (Yes, advanced dancers and DJ's have TONS of groupies)

So, if you are a beginning nobody in the dance scene, you have the lowest status in the room, while high status guys SURROUND and DEVOUR attractive women. It's a recipe for disaster.

So, what's the solution? Go to family-friendly socials and outdoor events where the atmosphere is far less predatory. Or go to a random live band and mess around on the dance floor while everyone else watches.

Some of you might say 'even strategic mate guarding if for losers!'. Ok, maybe. But many years of devastating lessons have shown me that most women are like children in their unconscious decision making abilities - and you don't give loaded guns or recreational drugs to children.

[–]synchronicity90 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I sit back and watch to see if my girl takes the bait... she never does but if she did, it would be over in an instant.

[–]1Sir_Distic0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

When I walk up he sticks out his hand and says, "Hi I'm Keith, nice to meet you!" with a big smile.

"I'm flattered really but I'm with her. Thank you though." Take her hand and walk off with her

[–]Redpillandrew0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Simple, plain, bulletproof. Few nights ago I was dancing at a club with my plate and there was this guy. I was kinda having fun with her, lifting her up while dancing, grinding on each other, just to spice things up.

This guy was trying to open us up with some amused ingenuine stupor, like suggesting us to stop this because it was too hot to watch and he was getting horny and shit like that. Two times.

I looked at him smiling and told him to mind his fucking business, with my thumbs up. Straight but delivered with no drama, playfully. Then moved away with the girl from that spot of the club in a couple of minutes (I didn't wanna rush things like something bad just happened or the big bad guy drove me away).

Now that I read this I realize I could have been much colder and dry, going with your "good. Have a good night", and removing us from the guy.

We tend to be overfriendly and often let the guy engage us in an attempt not to come across as butthurt or nervous, but... No need to, I see. Great advice, OP

[–]lfc_ak0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Great advice, I once faced a situation when I was walking down the road and came across a guy whom I met once a few months back, he says "Hey good to see you after so long!" and then he starts talking non stop to the girl that was with me. In this situation don't you think the girl will think I'm being rude if I break the "conversation" between them, grab her hand and walk away?

[–]latinasonly0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

hey bro, it seems like you like my girl, i can rent her to you for a week for $2000 . both of you seem to click.......watch you say babe ?

[–]simplisticallysimple0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

What if the girl refuses to leave with you? To play devil's advocate

[–]NobilityLancer0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

On the other hand that guy entered your frame and you 'ran away' from the interaction, if a lion's girl got attacked he would make the other lion leave. I'm not sure what message this converts to the girl's psychology.

[–]TheStarsTurnBlue0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Solid af post. Treat these guys like you would an annoying little brat. You've seen it all before, and you're sick of it.

[–]Guardian_of_Justice0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Wait wait wait guys i know i might get downvoted, but what if that other guy is you who reads the sidebar and you are just hitting on another TRPer's plate? Are we saying its okay men treat each other as "that asshole" outside of this sub? Or is out of necessity- a competition that is unavoidable even if its a buddy and a buddy?

[–]Endorsed ContributorMarsupian1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

If a guy shuts me down like that more power to him for playing it properly.

[–]brudd_be_rad-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

I see, so it’s alpha to act Like it doesn’t bother you, by allowing yourself to effectively Signal to that person hitting on your girl that it does bother you by the simple fact you are responding.

I take it as a compliment when people hit on my wife, I even wish them good luck. I know my wife is going home with me, so to even strategize in my brain how to effectively outmaneuver some skirt chaser is a stupid and desperate redundancy

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Just don't mate guard. It's just that simple. Nothing screams high value like not even acknowledging that your girl is interested or talking to another man. So what? She can make up her own mind and fuck who she wants, you don't care because you have pussy on tap. If she wants to keep you, she'll have to work for it, otherwise, there's always a new one around the corner. After all the valuable posts on this, let's not return to a beta mate guarding world. You just expended energy in talking and walking away, changing your life, to protect her from other dudes socially, telling these women that you value them highly and giving them the power. That's just how the female mind works. So unless you're looking to be beta, don't.



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