I just want to tell a son's side of this story, so that you guys really understand where you're headed with this Redpill/MGTOW ideology. I know that, ultimately, this will fall on deaf ears with this lot. I know that I'm going to get called all sorts of beta, cuck, simp, etc. You're going to say that my story is just a personal anecdote, but I don't really give a fuck, because this story needs to be out there. Echo chambers aren't good for anybody and it's always good to see the other end of the spectrum. For those of you who are more moderate, hopefully you can see the merit in what I'm telling you and know that no extreme is good for you. Kudos and thanks to anyone willing to read this long-ass tale.

It all started with my mother and father back in 1989.

She was 26, he was 48. She worked as an accountant in Manhattan and lived in a studio apartment in a high-rise near Broadway, he was a bus driver and lived in the basement of a brownstone in Brooklyn. They met in a church and married about a year and a half afterward.

According to MGTOW/Redpill ideology, my mother was exactly the type of woman to look for. She was beautiful and young. She's ultra-feminine in manner and speech, was raised to believe in traditionalist views of relationships, and saved her virginity for marriage. She is a genuine person (which I know you guys think is impossible for a woman) and was upfront with her desires for a family. She didn't expect any extravagant purchases or money from my father. After all, if she had cared about money, she wouldn't have married a bus driver. She has a deathly fear of STDs and an extremely strong moral code against cheating. To this day she is the only person I would bet my life and soul on never being capable of cheating. Despite it being hard to believe, she was the ever elusive Unicorn ™.

However, despite her being exactly what you guys are being coached to look for, my father fucked it all up.

Around the time that I was conceived is when my father's inner disdain of women started to shine through his actions. After a year of marriage, my father basically dropped his job by claiming an injury and has collected pension ever since (I don't necessarily attribute this particular event to MGTOW ideals, I know he's just a lazy asshole when it comes to working). From that day forward, my father stayed home and only paid the rent/mortgage, I have only ever seen my mother paying any other bill needed (Light, water, groceries, etc.) and I have never seen my father work a day in my life.

Because of my father's insistence to not work, my mother had to in order to pay the other bills, up until the day I was due to be born in which my mother had to endure a Cesarean (one which almost killed her from the hemorrhaging blood). Despite my mother previously going through massive surgery the week before was expected to be back at work. Again, my father said he couldn't work and claimed that she was lazy and entitled if she tried to get out of work to stay home with the baby. So, she went back to work on the promise from my father that he would watch me while she was gone. He didn't. When my mother came home to find me alone and crying bloody murder from lack of food, she realized my father was unwilling to child-rear since it's "women's work", so she knew she couldn't keep working and our family downsized to try and make it work on my father's pension alone (something that he still complains about to this very fucking day and tells everyone he meets that she is a gold digger because of this). After I passed the infancy stage, she went back to work.

Three years later, she became pregnant with my only sibling, my little sister, and stopped working then in the hopes that a lenient pregnancy would make labor less detrimental to her body this time. Unfortunately, this was not the case. It was worse and yet again, she had to undergo a Cesarean and again she almost died. She was in the hospital for a month recovering from the bodily trauma. However, soon my father's accusations of laziness and womanly entitlement came back and he verbally harassed her until she asked the hospital to release her. Despite my father's resistance to child-rearing or working, he resented my mother for staying home to take care of me and my sister during our early years. Soon, he was pushing her to start working and paying her half of the bills again. When the next year went by and it became time to adjust my father's pension due to the change in household number, my father was furious that the government worker found it necessary to give my mother a stipend of his pension to use to raise the children until we turned 18. He would hold this over her head for years to come.

When the pension came, my mother was surprised, but she used it to pay her share of the bills and saved anything left over in an attempt at a college fund. She picked up a sporadic housecleaning job so she could avoid using the money as much as possible. My father, paranoid that my mother was saving the money in an attempt to leave or hire a lawyer for a divorce, found ways to push her to spend the money. He made family decisions to move to different places around the state, then ultimately from New York to the West. By the time I was 5 years old, she was back in the workforce full-time. Unfortunately, due to the amount of time she took away from accounting she had to take a job that paid far less than before and in a completely different, lower-paying field at a hospital, but she went back to work anyway. My father still refused to look after my sister and I, so we started to look after each other. Any time my mother saved up a bit of money from working and from the pension, my father found a reason to get her to spend it. She was aware of his manipulations, but since she was a traditionalist, she obeyed him anyway. She believes in the institution of marriage and was determined to make it work.

Then came my father's desire to build his own house (using my mothers savings of course) and we moved again. With the bills of the new location, my mother was no longer able to save easily regardless of how hard she worked, which in hindsight was an obvious manipulation by him.

After the house was finished being built and we moved in, his inner hatred of women came to the forefront and his paranoia spiraled out of control. He became increasingly cruel and suspicious of my mother.

  • Snide accusations of her being a scheming, conniving gold digger would be thrown around weekly. He thought she was going to steal his house and his government money
  • Writing letters to tell her that she was now old, useless, and ugly and telling her that he was cheating on her with [insert whoever the fuck]
  • Constant arguments of how tired he was of the marriage.
  • Telling her everyday to take us and leave, so he could be free of us
  • Mocking her when she starting vomiting and hemorrhaging blood from fibroid tumors. Stark contrast to when she took care of him when he was sick
  • Pushed her to work harder (as though working two jobs wasn't enough) and was infuriated whenever she slacked in housework
  • Kicking her out of the master bedroom and pushing her to sleep in the living room since "it's his house and he can do what he wants with it"
  • Brazenly flirting with young women in front of her
  • Brazenly flirting with my teachers
  • Calling her evil for not want to sleep with him anymore.
  • Making snide comments that he would divorce her and drop her on her ass with nothing and get with a beautiful younger woman
  • Accused her of fucking her boss
  • Accused her of fucking the patients at the hospital
  • Accused her of fucking my sister
  • Accused her of fucking me
  • Put video cameras around the house to try and catch her "in the act" for "evidence" in case of divorce
  • Put audio recorders in the walls to tape and listen to her conversations
  • Hid the marriage license and certificate in an attempt to keep her from divorcing him until he was ready to drop her
  • Parked his car in another area of the city and stayed locked in the master bedroom with blackout curtains on the windows and doors to spy on her and us

He despised my mother and blamed her for every issue in his life. To him, she was a woman, therefore he felt that she was useless to him and dead weight once she got old enough. It didn't matter to him that she was faithful for 20 years or that she was an actual honest and good person to him and to her children. He just could not see the goodness in her, because in his mind she was inherently manipulative and evil by virtue of being born with a vagina. Every year she got older, he resented her more and more.

And good lord, I watched my mother try to fix that marriage, but ultimately she her self-esteem won out and she didn't want her children to be exposed to the mess anymore than we already were. She packed up our stuff and we left. She didn't fight for the house. She didn't fight for any money. At the meeting with the lawyers, she simply told him "I never married you for money, you complete fool, but no need to worry. You are free of us now." She's worked her ass off the past 8 years to build her own house. I'm so proud of her for her for how far she's come. She is the most hardworking person I know. However, I wish she had left sooner rather than later, because my father's actions did a lot of damage.

I now completely hate basically any and every Redpill/MGTOW type of guy I ever meet. I hate you all to the point where I shake with rage. I try to see your perspective, but you all just look like my shitty father. Treating people you meet cruelly because of how you've been treated in the past. However, how I feel is nothing compared to how my father's actions mindfucked my sister. She used to look up to my mother's kindness and forgiving nature. I remember when she would aspire to be a kind, loving woman. Now she has become the exact type of woman you all despise. She doesn't believe in love anymore. In fact, she believes that men are incapable of it. She doesn't want marriage or children anymore.

Just this last week she said some shit like:

"What's the point if he's just going to think I'm useless after 40?"

"95% of men are sociopaths, they don't feel anything, their love for women lasts as long as she gets his dick hard and opens her legs."

"Men are incapable of loving any women unrelated to them. It's just impossible. The only reason why they're even capable of loving their mothers, sisters, and daughters is because of narcissism. That's why you love me."

"Why would I ever be with a man for anything other than his money? What does he have to offer me other than that? If I married a dude and one day acid got thrown in my face, you think he'd still stay around and actually care about me? No. He'd leave because I don't make him hot and bothered anymore, so I leave when his wallet's empty."

"I'd never give children to any of these empty-hearted men. None of them are worth it. None."

She hates all men now and uses them for money. She puts on an the innocent, feminine act and discards it when she's through with them. I know she still loves me, but I also know that I'm her only exception to the rule and her view of men is broken forever because of my fucking dad. She used to be so bright, happy, caring, genuine, and sympathetic. Just a few years ago, she was like a mini-version of my mom. I remember her crying when she had to tell a white lie a few years back. She's so cold now that's she's almost unrecognizable, even my mother is disturbed by it. She believes her friends are stupid for thinking there are men out there that could actually love them. Everyday I curse my father for turning her into this, but I can't do shit about it because everyday men like you are proving her right about everyfuckingthing. How can I tell her she's wrong when the proof is right here? She knows about the RedPill, MGTOW, and PUA guides. In fact, I found out about it through her. She studies the tactics and laughs while reading the shit that's posted and uses it as constant validation for her views of men. "You gotta know your enemy, big bro." Every post adds fuel to the fire.

Anyway, let's get to the ultimate point of this post: Where you guys are headed.

My dad's in his 70's now, and his other MGTOW buddies are dead. He stalks us around town and calls us incessantly. His little taunts about getting with younger women didn't quite work out. He has a lot of disposable income from his pension, but the women still aren't knocking down his door like he though they would. He's alone in his oh-so-fucking-precious house and he can't handle it. He's having health problems now and unfortunately none of us really gives much of a shit about it. Well, my sister and I don't care, but even after everything, my mom still calls in every now and again to check if he's alive. He told her that she's the one who really won in the divorce, since she got the children (lmfaooo considering he didn't want us and told her constantly to take us and leave). He had a couple of heart attacks and had no one to call to help him other than 911. He talks about how he wants us to move back in and how we should be looking after him. He drones on and on about his medical issues looking for some type of sympathy from us, tells us about the medical personnel asking why his family doesn't visit him. My mother actually feels sorry for him (I'm still surprised that she can feel compassion for that piece of shit), but I couldn't care less and neither can my sister. His pride and arrogance keeps him from acknowledging any wrongdoing and to this day he says he was a victim.

We haven't talked to him in years and I honestly wouldn't be sad if I found out he died. We all know he's going to die alone in that house. People probably won't know he's gone until a week later when his body starts rotting away and the neighbor down the street can smell the stink. I surprise myself at how emotionally disconnected I am from him now, but after watching the way he treated my mother, it just reaffirms my beliefs. I don't think I even want to go to the funeral. Why would I if I'm not grieving?

I don't know if absolutely all of you have this shitty extremist view of women, but from what I've seen, the vast majority of you on here do feel and act like my father did. I'm just letting you know, you will not like what's at the end of this path. You may talk a big game, but when push comes to shove and you're at the end of your life with no meaningful bonds made, you're going to realize you fucked yourself over. The list of women you've gotten to pump and dump isn't going to mean shit. You can form real relationship with people who actually care about you. Relations with women don't always have to be so empty. There are women out there who are genuine and kind, it may be a needle in a haystack, but they are possible to find and when you do find her don't lose her because of this bullshit, cold, sociopathic ideology. Don't lose her because you were too scared to look past your paranoia and see her as human rather than just a hole to fuck. Bye~

TL;DR: This path will probably end with your family despising you and you dying alone. Every tip in this forum should be taken with a grain of salt. Extremist views will ultimately not end well.