Overweight? Quit your damn fad diet and let's get real.

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July 4, 2013

I keep hearing fuss over organic vs non, free range vs caged, and all this other bullshit.

I think one of the key points we focus on here is self improvement and I'd like to talk briefly about weight loss.

Organic is a buzzword. Free range is a marketing term to make you feel bad enough about your food to pay more.

Do you want to eat healthier? Then it's time to focus on the things that actually fucking make a difference.

Now I know somebody's going to link to a study that shows a difference in fat content between a grass-fed cow and a grain-fed cow. Big fucking whoop.

Humans are notoriously bad at risk assessment. We're talking about a culture that is so obsessed with minuscule details like that, but then go take a long drag off a cancer-causing cigarette and go sun bathe at the tanning salon. You're gonna die long before free radicals cause a problem, so quit acting like drinking fucking juice is changing your life. It's not going to.

Yes, grass fed cows are a tad different. IGNORE THAT SHIT. NOBODY GIVES A FUCK.

Want to lose weight?

It's fucking simple.

Drop your carbs.

Up your fat.

When in doubt, count calories.


And don't start up with the "i need my carbs to bulk" that's bullshit.

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Title Overweight? Quit your damn fad diet and let's get real.
Author redpillschool
Upvotes 2
Comments 82
Date 04 July 2013 02:01 PM UTC (7 years ago)
Subreddit TheRedPill
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/5279
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/1hmtcl/overweight_quit_your_damn_fad_diet_and_lets_get/
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[–]empyblessing17 points18 points  (4 children) | Copy


Read. Follow. Best information available about losing fat.

[–]Swagpacolypse2k1213 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy

Or you can just lift heavy and get in shape that way.

[–]IPlayUkulele3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm currently working on my weight problem with that. I'm not losing weight as fast, but my waist size shows the difference.

[–]riff-raff13 points14 points  (4 children) | Copy

I think you'll find a lot of redditors out there who take a great deal of pride in particular diets or training regimens. They start seeing results, and suddenly they're preaching their way as gospel. But ultimately they just followed a plan and stuck with it: this is self-discipline, not some stupid secret only they were clever enough to figure out.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] -2 points-1 points  (3 children) | Copy

You can lose weight on any number of calorie restricted diets, but there is enormous amounts of evidence that link our obesity epidemic to cutting fat from our diets.

Yes, you could lose weight on twinkies, but that doesn't mean it's a realistic goal. If you have fat to lose, self control wasn't your strong suit in the first place.

[–]MaunaLoona -1 points-1 points [recovered] | Copy

The problem isn't that we cut fat from our diet, but that we replaced it with sugars (mainly fructose). Watch Dr. Lustig's video:


[–]MockingDead-3 points-2 points  (0 children) | Copy


This is ep 3 of a more mainstream and accessible version of that lecture.

Let's be Keto besties! hahah

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Free range is a marketing term to make you feel bad enough about your food to pay more.

Actually it's a marketing term to make people pay for otherwise crummy beef.

See, the beef sold on the coasts (both of them) is generally sourced from herds raised on BLM land. The significance here is that these herds are not finished. They are raised on range, put on a truck, and sent to slaughter. It's extremely cheap to do, and produces beef with a relatively little fat.

Finished cattle are more common in the northern Midwestern states like Nebraska, Iowa, and Wisconsin. This stock is raised in pasture, but then for the last few months before slaughter they are kept in a feed lot where they consume a much higher calorie diet consisting of corn and spent distillers grain (waste corn that's been used for ethanol production).

This is more expensive, but improves the quality of the resulting beef.

This is why the best steak at the best restaurant in NYC doesn't compare to steak-on-a-stick at the Minnesota/Iowa state fairs, because the meat comes from different regions practicing different styles of livestock feeding, resulting in beef with very different fat contents (which affects the resulting taste and texture).

[–]RedSunBlue10 points11 points  (5 children) | Copy

Agreed, to an extent. It's better that one gets his macronutrient balance and calorie count squared up before he gets himself in a tizzy over how his eggs were produced.

Having said that, quality of food matters a lot.

I do a lot of jiu jitsu and weight lifting. If I get lazy with my food I can begin to feel my joints stiffening and I do not recover nearly as quickly.

Also, carbs can be your friend if you know how to time your intake. They are an absolute must for anyone doing intense physical activity.

But yes, if you are a lardass just start taking steps in the right direction.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy

As a runner whose performance increased after adapting to ketones, I can say safely that the carb addiction for energy only exists if you don't allow your body to adapt to ketones. Turns out, your heart is more efficient on ketones than glucose.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

I dunno man ~

I've never done keto extensively, and at my peak performance I've hit a 4:30 mile time... was definitely eating carbs ~ I do agree, you don't want to go overboard on carbs, or eat shitty carbs too often though.

[Edit: don't forget, that a HUGE part of running speed is driven by simply being lightweight, so it's more likely that the weight loss a low carb diet provides would be giving you a speed boost than ketone adaptation. My times will vary massively as my fat levels move up and down. I hit 4:30 on the mile about 2 years ago when I was sub 10% bf, now I'm north 15% and probably can't even run a 5 minute mile, maybe can barely even hit 5:20.]

Some info on Jamacian sprinters here:

At Juici Patties, a Jamaican fast food chain on the campus of the University of the West Indies, university researcher Rachael Irving is ordering a breakfast of ackee and salt fish with yams, bananas and a cup of mint tea.

"This is what the Jamaicans usually eat before they start running," Irving says.

It's what just about everyone here eats. In Kingston, you hear a lot about yams and green bananas. They're the nutritional argument for Jamaican success in sprint events.

"It's [a] carbohydrate, and runners need carbohydrate[s] because that is what produces the glucose that is metabolized to give you the energy that drives the muscle to perform," Irving says.

More info on sprinter diets.

[–]RedSunBlue6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yes, but I'm not large. Yet.

[–]RedSunBlue4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Carbs can help you, brother. Embrace the sweet potato.

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[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

yeah man it's way easier to not eat during the morning than at night. and you get to eat like a 1000 calorie meal at the end of the day hahah

[–]MSoftHarem24 points25 points  (7 children) | Copy

I'm on the road and only have access to my phone. Will one of my /r/paleo brothers please school this fucking troll?

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

Is it a brawl you want ese?

[–]RedSunBlue15 points16 points  (1 child) | Copy

abs or gtfo

[–]TRP Vanguardlegendofpasta2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

You mean GOMAD?

[–]Gold_Silverman5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

[–]Senior Contributorwhiskey_bearfist1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

i had to really focus on not vomiting. fucking hell.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Thought it was gonna be Jar of Marmalade.

Close enough? :(

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

I thought we cared about evolution in this sub? Free range is an important distinction. The animals we eat evolved eating certain kinds of foods (in a much more limited sense than humans even). Why would you think eating beef raised on a diet of corn and weakened through excessive antibiotic use would not be significantly inferior than beef raised on grass? The difference in PUFA composition alone should be concerning for anyone concerned with actual long term health and not just dropping weight since the number of deleterious health effects linked to PUFA consumption is staggering.

And simplistic advice like "drop your carbs, up your fat" is positively dangerous depending on the individual. That's the last thing I would do if I had a sluggish thyroid for example. Mark's Daily Apple forum is littered with stories of people who went keto, counted their calories, and ending up gaining more weight and/or developing significant health concerns.

[–][deleted] -4 points-3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Why would you think eating beef raised on a diet of corn and weakened through excessive antibiotic use would not be significantly inferior than beef raised on grass?

I want you to buy two steaks. One in a grocery store Iowa, one from a store in Texas. Grill both.

The one from Texas will have been range fed. The one from Iowa will be finished with corn.

The one from Iowa will taste better. Because the finished beef has more fat. "Range fed" is a positive, marketable way of saying "this is the ****ty beef from Dallas not the good stuff from Kansas City."

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I was talking about health, not taste, though some people prefer the taste of grass fed beef (I don't, but I prefer the taste of grass fed dairy). The nutrient profile of those two steaks will differ and be in the Texas steak's favor, not even including the trace amounts of hormones and antibiotics in the steak from Iowa.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (8 children) | Copy

High protein and higher fat diets aren't for everyone, I had to work on increasing both for lifting but not everyone does intense muscle building.

What I live by and tell everyone who asks how I stay so thin is: eat real food (eat things with few ingredients and unprocessed), not too much (go overboard on the calories and you will be a fat ass), and drink a ton of water.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] -3 points-2 points  (7 children) | Copy

eat real food (eat things with few ingredients and unprocessed),

This is what I'm talking about- that's a completely meaningless distinction.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

Eating fruit, vegetables, protein, fat, and carbs in their simplest forms is meaningless? I am not saying that it needs to be organic or anything, just food without all the other shit like additives and preservatives. Protein and vege with some healthy fat makes a good functional and filling meal, keep it simple is all I am getting at.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

It's an appeal to nature. I'm not saying simple foods are bad. I'm saying that appealing to them as if they were always better is wrong.

For instance- you can get seriously fat and have a heart attack on "simple" foods with no additives or preservatives.

People have a hate-on for preservatives, but it's the only thing that makes sustaining our population possible.

Mistakenly thinking that's healthier distracts people from actually paying attention to their macro-nutrients.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I pay attention to macros only because it fits my lifestyle, I lift so I need more protein that sedentary average joe. Sedentary average joe can get fat basically doing anything, eating anything, because they aren't moving and it is easy to go above your BMR with your calorie intake when you do next to nothing.

When fat sedentary people whine to me I tell them to eat a pound of lettuce everyday and load up on fiber rich vegetables. It is pretty much impossible to eat too many calories even with a sedentary lifestyle when the majority of you diet is largely broccoli and the like.

I suspect that you and I workout, we burn a fair amount of calories so worrying about protein and fat is just fine for us but the same advice for a fat ass would probably be horrible. There is no way to get around calories in v. calories out, what you and I are concerned about are functional calories in (to build muscle, etc.) versus most people that are mostly concerned with taking in less calories.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

I disagree. Preservatives and added shit are the last nail in the coffin for a lot of people. I lost 30# without trying (down to 13% bf) simply by cutting out sugars, gluten and alcohol and eating only food u prepared from scratch.

Besides health reasons, freshly prepared good simply tastes better.

[–]Endorsed Contributor303030303030305 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy


I wouldn't advice beginners to start with keto. It's very strict and hard to keep. Eating less than 20 grams of carbs daily is a tough thing to do for a longer period of time and going over that limit might take you out of ketosis and whole thing fails.

/r/paleo (+ potatoes) seems to be working fine for me. Since you remove all grains/flour and sugars it is ultimately low to very low carb diet. It's not as strict as keto though however there is no dairy in it. I'd recommend doing 30 day paleo challenge before even starting to think about keto.

Overall message is good, if you can afford it buy grass fed/grass finished meat, if not, buy regular. Corn diet + this shit made from bones they feed to cows does change meat quality.

[–]AlwaysLateToThreads1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I like Paleo it's really simple and it's working great for me.

[–]IPlayUkulele0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

In my keto experience, the first is still effective even if you're not perfectly in ketosis. Just the restriction of carbs and the increase in fats helps it with weight loss

[–]Endorsed Contributor303030303030302 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Oh yes, cutting carbs down does well for fat loss but if you are not in ketosis it's not keto, it's low carb

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I like keto a lot, I've been on it before. I'm in Japan though, and can't really avoid rice. Especially because I have to eat a lunch provided to me - I can't cook/bring/buy my own.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

keto isn't all it's cracked up to be. for weight loss it can work, but if you exercise hard you're going to need carbs to give you the energy, and carbing up once a week isn't going to be enough (this is from experience)

You can drop the fat easily without completely eliminating carbs, quite easily in fact.

the biggest difference between grain and grass fed meat is the omega-3 content of the grass fed, which contains a lot more. you can still eat regular meat, but if you eat a lot of butter i would certainly suggest going grass-fed butter

[–]Modredpillschool[S] -1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy

I honestly think most people who hate on keto as an energy-less diet really have never tried adapting to ketones.

Your heart is up to 28% more efficient on ketones once you've adapted. I can run for very long periods of time without losing energy because I'm using fat and protein as my fuel source instead of carbs and glucose.

This also means I can fast for over 24 hours without any loss of energy.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

not specifically talking about running, but lifting really heavy weights, which just gobble up all the energy stores in your body. i don't find it really sustainable, especially since you can easily get shredded eating good carbs like sweet potatoes (which have a lot of vitamins too)

[–]dreamingawake09-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

Then you follow a CKD, or Cyclic Keto Diet. Yes, you'll have carbs, but its nothing major that will sabotage your diet, and will give you energy for high intensity exercising, such as weight-lifting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclic_ketogenic_diet

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

i know all about it, and i'm saying it's pointless. you don't need to suffer through days of no carbs just to refeed at the end of the week and use that, it just doesn't make a big difference in fat loss / muscle gain goals.

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The problem with this diet advice is the same as with every other diet advice. People don't eat "carbs". People eat foods. Meals. Meals that are normal for their ethnic group, meals their parents taught them to cook, meals and whatever is available in local fast food and restaurants, or grocery store sandwiches.

"Drop your carbs" and similar ideas would basically mean instantly dropping all habits and adopting and entirely different attitude from the ground up, where instead of meals people basically eat ingredients and try to assemble meals from them. Ugh.

Remember, normally we don't have a diet at all. Not the wrong diet, but no diet. Having a diet means that your food choices are ingredient based. Every diet from vegan to paleo or keto means that. Not having a diet means your food choices are based on habit, tradition, convenience. etc. often not even knowing the ingredients.

So we are talking about not changing a diet, but adopting a diet for the first time. And that takes time.

So it is never ever that simple. The realistic thing to do is basically once knowing the general logic of it, trying to steer a given family, ethnic, fast food, etc. diet towards a better composition of ingredients.

OK I know there are people out there, typically body builders, who see food merely as fuel, not meals, and would happily live their life on tuna salad and would feel no regret if they could never taste the meals again that their mothers cooked and was their childhood favorite, but this is really not normal.

For example today my wife is cooking a mushroom and cream, white wine and chicken recipe traditional in her family. The usual side for that is pasta or white rice. We will eat it with brown rice instead, that is one notch better. Saucy meats require a side that soaks them up. Meanwhile, we will try tomorrow some less saucy meat that goes better with sauteed peas and carrots because that is obviously better. Weekend, the peas and chicken breast ragout that is my moms recipe and was my childhood favorite food looks like a good choice. So we are getting better, without weirding ourselves out.

Improving diet is a skillful, slow art of bettering its health level without weirding yourself out and putting something entirely unusual and in your family untraditional into your palate.

Of course you could say fuck that and live on steak, eggs and salad mixed in the most primitive way, but that would be merely fuel intake, not having meals as we know it from childhood on.

[–]_whistler0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Of course you could say fuck that and live on steak, eggs and salad mixed in the most primitive way

And bacon. Don't forget the bacon.

[–]16 MGaiusScaevolus1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Keto is a fantastic diet. Anything where you not only can have, but are in fact encouraged to eat steak n bacon for dinner is fantastic. Plus, no need to cut out hard liquor.

The other part of this is working out. Try to go at least twice a week. I personally do 3 days lifting, 2 days running.

[–]yankeetiger0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

If a man could only subscribe to 5 subs, /r/keto would easily make the cut. Improving the body is, I've noticed, one of the fastest ways to improve the mind.

Now this has got me thinking about the 4 other subs that would make the cut; I'd venture /r/TheRedPill, /r/Fitness, /r/GetDisciplined, and the last one would probably be related to a passion, for me it'd be /r/ClassicalGuitar.

What would yours be, /u/RedPillSchool?

[–]RedSunBlue1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

[–]MockingDead-4 points-3 points  (0 children) | Copy

[–]TheGoodBro2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Keto is pointless for anyone without epilepsy, especially athletes who need plenty of both glucose and protein. A true keto diet also massively restricts protein and if you're not doing that then you're not doing keto. Your body will convert aminos to glucose via gluconeogenesis because it wants the sugar. If you're an endurance athlete you may better adapt to low carb diets because you have primarily oxidative Type 1 muscle fibers anyways. It also doesn't cause the same increase in growth factors that resistance training does so your protein demands aren't as high either.

If you're an athlete that practices an explosive sport of any kind or does a lot of resistance training in general it would be foolish to cut carbs too low and would compromise a lot of progress. I'm not saying go binge on carbs and use the excuse that you're a power lifter and need it all. I'm saying that you shouldn't be afraid of consuming 200-300g of carbs on training days if you're power/strength athlete. Thats still only 1200 calories at most, throw in 0.7-1.0 g/lb BW protein and 0.4-0.5g/lb BW fats and you're golden. If you go high on all those values then you're at about 3000 calories on training days which should still be under/just at maintenance calories at 220lbs(depending on your LM/FM ratio it could be over).

In the end I think you said it best in the OP. Stop trying to follow fad diets(like keto), even the numbers I listed are based on a few random studies suggesting x and y ranges are best for the average person(for test, lean mass, etc). Everyone is different, find a simple diet you can stick to and start moving weights and you'll see progress end of story. You'll figure out what foods make you feel shitty while training and you'll figure out what foods make you feel better. Mix it up for a while periodically and see if you don't feel better doing something else as well, just because something is working doesn't mean its optimal.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yea, you don't know shite.

Free range is a buzzword, organic is actually certified. Does it make you lose weight? No, but it helps when the food you eat isn't injected with corn syrup and antibiotics.

[–]1favours_of_the_moon0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

There are more minerals and essential nutrients in organic crops. That said, the soil is depleted anyway.

You need to supplement, imo.

You also need to exercise.

[–]SeekingAlpha0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

What do you mean by "the soil is depleted anyway"? What soil? All soil?

[–]1favours_of_the_moon0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Pretty much.

Bottomed out during the dust bowl of the 1930s. The fertilizers used nowadays are just enough to make the plants grow, without really adding anything extra in the form of minerals and essential nutrients.

[–]SeekingAlpha0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Soil can be revitalized. There are outposts of hope, a growing patchwork of sustainably stewarded soils. All is not lost.

Organicly-certified mass monoculture-style ag is no place for hope, however.

[–]Senior Contributorwhiskey_bearfist0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

/r/ketogains is a great supplement subreddit to keto. keto is pretty simple and not necessarily mutually exclusive to paleo style dieting.

for extra energy while lifting heavy shit i like either a premade preworkout supplement, or more simply a cup of coffee with a bit of coconut oil mixed in.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I always thought Keto was for fatty fucks trying to drop weight. Not as a way to live.

Also you eat everyday if you can you should eat best quality food available.

[–]gardenpronz0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'm not an expert on food science, but I do agree with the underlying message of this post. I just started reading this sub, but am going on strong in my 4th year of fitness. My first 18 months I lost 68 lbs and have kept off all that fat to this day. The first 12 months of my journey I only focused on portion sizes and trying to eat homemade food so I knew where and what it came from. Around month 10 my roommate started coaching crossfit. I got involved, and around the 18 month mark after I could finally do pull-ups and crap I started paleo. Eating paleo was a huge transition and although it worked and was a great way to get definition and energy, if I had to do that from the start and make fitness a habit I would have failed. During my hardcore weight loss phase I ate oatmeal for breakfast, brown rice and sweet potatoes and tried my best not to eat bread and pasta. But I did not freak out or worry of I ate carbs, I worried if I did not go to the gym. Go to the gym. Go 5 days a week. Lift weights that are heavy. Eat healthy, no fast food. Fall in love with strength and then if you want to and value it, try a performance focused diet if you have physical goals that need better fuel.

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[–]Twentey1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

The only reasonable comment in this thread.

[–]MockingDead1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You miss a large reason why it works. That is the auto-fat storage of insulin plus leptin response.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

Ketosis isn't magic. Keto works because it's calorie restricted. The reason keto is important is because the diet itself is only manageable if you let your body adapt to ketones. Otherwise you just feel light-headed all the time.

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I think the worst thing for weight is actually alcohol. Beer especially, but any alcohol will set you back a lot. But going to bars is an important place for game. So it is a delicate balancing act.

[–]Mooshaq-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy

Organic is a buzzword. Free range is a marketing term to make you feel bad enough about your food to pay more.


We're talking about a culture that is so obsessed with minuscule details like that, but then go take a long drag off a cancer-causing cigarette and go sun bathe at the tanning salon. You're gonna die long before free radicals cause a problem, so quit acting like drinking fucking juice is changing your life. It's not going to.

Not quite.

Yes, grass fed cows are a tad different. IGNORE THAT SHIT. NOBODY GIVES A FUCK.

If your diet already rocks, there's no problem with looking for healthier meat from better-raised cows. Yes, it's not a good starting point for 300 pound people, but if you're already healthy and at a good weight, there's no harm in improving the little things.

Want to lose weight? It's fucking simple. Drop your carbs. Up your fat. When in doubt, count calories.

There are also plenty of good diets that up the carbohydrate intake and half the fat intake, provided you keep exercising. The one I used to do a four month cut was awesome. I lost four percent body fat doing 220g protein, 350g carbohydrate, 55g fat.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] -1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy

If your diet already rocks, there's no problem with looking for healthier meat from better-raised cows.

There's no problem with trying it. The problem is assuming the health benefits aren't negligible- which they are. The placebo effect is enormous and people tend to assume because they feel like the food they're eating is healthier, they can cheat a little.

[–]Mooshaq1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

You are absolutely right that it's hyped up and probably just one of the new Dr. Oz fads - but that does not mean the effect is negligible. Give me a scientific article stating otherwise about grass-fed meat. Cows are ruminants, which means that they are meant to eat mostly grass, and the bacteria in their chambered stomach will break down and release nutrients from the grass that the cow could not. So I would have to extrapolate here that the cow eating grass is likely (not proven of course because I need some research here) harvesting more energy and in a more homeostatic state.

EDIT: Removed a sentence because I realized afterward that it was erroneous and I was wrong.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

Maybe in this case it's not. But of all the fads out there, 99% are. Like drinking cranberry to fix "free radicals." Tell me the last time that made you live to 100.

[–]Mooshaq0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I agree with your skepticism about all the Oprah Diets and Dr. Oz supplements. However, I'm saying that their effects are generally not negligible. It's just that people see this one pill (e.g. Dr. Oz supports green coffee bean extract to lose weight), take it, and then expect to do nothing else and become healthy. Here are two studies about the beneficial effects on weight loss of green coffee bean extract; he's not just pulling the science out of his ass. The problem is how the audience perceives it.

In other words, if you used some of these "health fixes" - cranberry juice, guava juice, green coffee bean extract, alpha lipoic acid, etc. - and already ate well and exercised well, you WOULD notice a slight difference. How large that difference is would of course be a blend of placebo effect and actual differences.

I agree with your skepticism, absolutely. But don't just blatently disregard every "health fad." They MIGHT be beneficial, but the problem with the health fads is that everyone assumes they will be a cure-all, which they are not.

EDIT: "ate better and exercised more" --> "already ate well and exercised well"; I meant that you did not change your diet or exercise routine (but that it was already good) when you began trying some new supplement, juice, whatever

[–]MockingDead-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

I just started /r/ketogains.

I cannot agree more.

Low carb (under 100 unless your a fatty, then under 30 until you aren't)

And lift. Lift lift lift.

It's not precisely calories in/ calories out

I'll break it down here but r/keto has all the info.

Insulin stores fat and blocks leptin. If your insulin spikes, you WILL eat more. Why?

I forgot somebody explains it better than I

[–]asldkjfhasdofh-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

I kind of agree with you, I think the most important thing is to be motivated enough to make the necessary changes. People dilute themselves into thinking that if they eat an organic ho ho instead of a normal one they'll magically lose weight.

I got tired of looking at my flabby ass beer gut so i decided to do something about it. The hardest part for me was cutting out the alcohol. I was a 12 pack a night kind of guy, and went from that down to a 12 pack over the weekend, cut down to about 1500 calories a day, and started p90x. Six weeks later im down 20lbs and getting a lot more female attention.

I guess the point is you have to want it bad enough. I was for all intents and purposes an alcoholic. After putting the bottle down, having a salad at lunch instead of the triple cheeseburger was a walk in the park.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

A trick I use... because I like alc too much, is to switch to straight liquor. A glass or two of whiskey isn't bad. Zero carb, half the calories of beer.

[–]Drivernumbersix-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

The important thing is to take care in choosing what you eat and acknowledge if what you're eating is a good choice or a bad choice for you.

You'll probably notice that the people who's diets consist of "whatever" are typically the people who visit Taco Bell 5-10 times a week.

[–]MockingDead-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is somewhat true. People tend to say "I eat Salad" because a week ago Tuesday they had a salad and then ate 4 pizzas a day for the next week.

[–]omgboat-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

...I just stacked 3 cement blocks in my 110 degree garage to create a makeshift stair stepper in front of a laptop and streamed 3 episodes of Dragon Ball Z back to back while stepping up and down.

I dropped 80 lbs by the time I got to Kid Buu.

Now I do p90-x while watching Dragon Ball.

Fuck you guys and your shit. Just exercise and find a way to enjoy doing it.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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