Momma Michelle - MGTOW, Modern Feminism, and Marriage

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00:00 Hey i want to talk about the mgtow movement ah men going their own way. The 1st time i heard this term was umm 3 years ago. I don't know if i'm out of the loop but i was like what is that. And so umm it was on a marriage forum that i was participating in for a little while. Ha Ha Ha i got into a nasty nasty fight with ah some feminists and i ended up leaving the whole community because i was like i don't want to be here anymore. They don't like me. The husbands liked me but the wives...the feminist wives didn't. There was ah there was...there were a couple of women that privately contacted me and were like thank you...thank you for saying these things i totally agree with you but i'm to scared. Umm anyways that's how i learn about what mgtow is and umm i will say that ah i don't like it. Ha Ha Ha I don't like that it exists.

  • Shocking! A woman doesn't like MGTOW.

01:18 Ah being a woman...i don't want men to reject women. Okay that's what i see it as they are...they're going their own way. They are like we don't need women you know. I..I don't think i really understand what they are...what kind of life style they want. I think it probably varies maybe some...maybe there is different degrees. You know some of them are completely...you know they don't want women in their lives at all. Some umm are willing to have superficial relationships with women but umm i think pretty much all are against marriage and umm kind of more traditional roles.

  • How long have women been rejecting men? How long have women been emotionally and physically abusing boys/men? So now that men are rejecting women now it's a problem. Isn't that what is called being a Fucking HYPOCRITE? But i guess i should not be surprised because part of being a feminazis is you must be a hypocrite.

02:05 I don't like that because i am a hopeless romantic. Umm growing up i was like oh i really hope i can find a man who will love me enough to marry me and umm when i...when i was dating my husband i was like i'm going to marry him...i'm going to marry him. I was so excited! I was on cloud 9 when i was engaged umm i...i like the idea of marriage and umm i know it's not for everyone. But i think a lot of women do or have felt this way and i umm i...i like being married.

  • Oh yeah it's so romantic when men are forced to pay alimony to a cheating slut. That's so romantic when women steal money from men because she just want to get out of the marriage so she go fuck chads with the ex-husband's money!

02:52 I also read this article several years ago were it was saying how marriage is the ah one of the greatest weapons we have against child poverty. And it was talking about umm the...the statistics of families that are married before they have children how umm if...if the parents stay together umm financial the children are much much better off than if ah the parents spilt up but if they are...but if they get married 1st they are likely to stay together than if they just have children without getting married. They are much more likely to separate. And so it was saying how ah particularly in the more umm impoverished communities a lot of the young people aren't getting married and just having children. Then it's just umm continuing the cycle.

  • Oh it's about the children! Won't somebody think about the children! Were women thinking about the children when they get knocked up or trapped a man into fatherhood? No they were not thinking of the children these women were thinking how can i get a man to get me pregnant so i can put him on child support and i can just use the money from child support and the money the government gives me to live a comfortable lifestyle without really having to do anything for the man that provided her the lifestyle. No women don't think about the children they think about themselves and they try to justify it by claiming it's about the children. Women say it's not me am worried about it's the children. BULLSHIT! Women always do what is in their best interest not what's in the best interest of the child.

03:47 So our culture certainly doesn't push marriage. I think a lot of people including you know very thoughful intelligent, ah educated people are saying you know marriage is just this outdated religous institution that kind of forced people to stay with people they did really love and ahhh i...i kind of...i understand their prospective but i still was like i really want to get married myself.

  • Really? Then who is teaching men that they should marry? Why are the people so against MGTOW?

04:21 So umm i'm...i'm going to talk about you know MGTOW is basically what i see as a reaction to modern feminism. So umm they see it as modern feminists have said we are tire of men, we don't like men and maybe some of them will say it differently. Some of them may say i don't dislike men i just dislike certain men or umm you know they...they're fine with welcoming some men male femnists into the...into their movement umm but i think for the most part they're...they're against ah well patriarchy it's like the force of evil to them. So umm the traditional marriage and stereo typical gender roles is umm like the emeny to them and ahhh a lot of men they are seeing how feminism is backed by the umm a lot of things. Like a lot of cultural influences and then the courts themselves are umm you know they...they rule in favor of the women in many of the cases. So umm in my own family i can think of lots of marriages you know with...i have two step parents so theres a lot families, a lot of people i know of but in my family like aunts and uncles in my husbands family i mean can think of several case where clearly the ah woman has the upper hand for sure.

  • MGTOW is not a reaction to modern feminism (3rd wave feminism). MGTOW is a reaction to all feminism including 1st and 2nd wave feminism. 1st wave feminism got women the right to vote without the responsibility the men had to fight and die for the country.

  • 2nd wave feminism introduced bias laws such abortion, titleIX, nofault divorce, affirmative action, pregnancy discrimination act and Duluth model.

  • 2nd wave feminism also brought about sex desegregation of "boy clubs" the military academies,United States armed forces, NASA, single sex colleges and men's clubs.

06:02 You know my grandmother was all sad because she had a very stable marriage with my grandfather. And umm then she had 3 sons and then all 3 of them got married and all 3 of their wives divorced them. And umm my dad one of his brothers fortunately got remarried and are happy. They're...They're a good match with their next wife. My other uncle got remarried and that was a disaster. Ha Ha Ha So now he was a very nice girlfriend umm and i don't think he's going to get married again. Umm I know another one who ah kind of in my extended family who wife is having multiple affairs everyone know it. Sometimes she leaves at home with her husband and some times she moves out and lives with her boyfriend. She kind of comes and goes as she pleases and i said to my husband why does he stay with her? And ah he said because he doesn't want to give up his money His...she told him that he divorces her she will take you know a lot of what he has worked for and he doesn't want to give it up so he just allows her to do what she wants umm i think that's sad. That's...that's...that's just sad that is taking a beautiful thing marriage and just umm turning into something ugly. So umm i understand why ah men are rejecting it in particular more than women are umm i even understand you know with my husband...we have 4 kids if i were to divorce him it...it would financially it just probably destroy him with child support costs and you know i heard stories of men who they can afford child support they...they truely can not afford it and since they can't pay it then they go to prison for not paying it. Umm i mean i just heard these really awful stories where i'm like that's a real tragedy. Umm so and i don't intend to divorce my husband but i'm just saying i aware that women do have the upper hand. So umm men they are aware of this and they are afraid to trust women. For various reasons.

  • Stop trying to appeal to men's emotions. We don't care that your grandmother is sad. We care that women have been abusing men and that women like your grandmother kept silent when men were being abused or actively abused their sons by giving them false information about how women are or did not give them any information at all.

  • Notice how she shames men by saying that they are afraid of trusting women. No man should trust a woman. She is trying to convince men to trust a woman that she would not screw you over. You have to change the laws and not try to find a woman that might not screw you over. Women should not have that power to begin with because we all know today a woman will be happy with you but tomorrow she may be upset with you. As the wind blows her emotions will go.

08:32 And umm it scares me because it makes a...a lot of good men reject all women. And not all women are going to abuse the system but umm good men are saying i can't tell if she is a good woman or not. She claims to be. She seems like it but how do i know 10 years down the road that she's still going to be that way. So umm i understand why they are making this decision but i still don't like it because i'm a woman and i want men to like women.

  • And i must personally say to you we don't give a fuck wether you like it or not we are going to do what is best for ourselves and our brothers by spreading the truth.

09:12 I want men to be like i don't care i love her so much i'm going to marry her any way and proclaim to the world how in love with her i am. That's what i want. That's the romantic in me.

  • So you want men to be foolish. Go fuck herself skank because that's not what you are going to get. Because we already how romantic women are when women make false allegations in family court and divorce court to get an upper hand over their husband or the father of her kids.

09:27 I feel like what's happening in society is umm on the broad scale like think of a couple...i...i read an article by a ah marriage guidance counselor or something and it was something called angry woman and passive man. And it was saying how umm he says this pattern so frequently in the couples that he works with. Where the wife feels...he said he thinks because of our culture that umm the husband is not thrilling enough for her or umm romantic enough for her or it's just he's...he's not providing as much that in love feeling for her or maybe her expectations for the marriage are just so high that umm when they start to settle in with each other umm she becomes really disappointed and so she gets angry and then umm the man's way of reacting to that is he just becomes passive and with draws from her. And then that makes her more angry because he is even less availible and less loving with her. Which makes him more passive and find more escape routes umm you know alcohol or what ever it is he wants to do to escape from her anger. And it turns into this horrible cycle that is just building and building. Building the resentment on both sides. I...i don't remember what the solution he said for it was though. I think he was just saying you need to recognize when that's happening and come back together kind of thing.

  • So what you are saying is the husband should be loving to his wife even though she is not being loving to the husband. So he should just take her abuse. Get the fuck out of here. How about she treat her husband in a loving manner if she wants her husband to be loving towards her. BTW You don't have to say her anger you can call it what it is. Her abuse of him! I know you what to try and act like the woman is the victim when she is the aggressor then acts as if the man is wrong.

  • The solution is simple. To avoid women becoming disappointed and getting angry don't marry them in the 1st place. That way the moment she wants to act up you just go your own way and say bye bitch get the fuck out of here.

11:15 Umm but i think the mgtow movement is like that on the grand scale so umm feminists they...they say you know we are not happy with men, we don't like the way things are going, we don't like the way men are treating us. Umm and they are angry and then the men are like you don't like us fine i'm leaving. I'm...i'm not gonna ah...i'm going to find my own way right. i'm going to find my own stuff to do so i don't have to deal with your anger over here. And ah i'm also kind of reminded umm of gone with the wind. Which i haven't seen since i was like a teenager. So i don't even rememeber the story that well but i remember at the end you know Scarlet O'hara had umm really kind of taken him for granted a lot and kept pushing him away and pushing him away then finally ah he was like i had enough i'm leaving then she's like oh crap i didn't really want him to leave. So then she's like i better go get him back. Well that's kind of how i feel what i see with feminism and mgtow like i know i don't consider myself a modern feminist but i'm kind of like hey we women actually do want you to stick around here can you come back please. That's kind of my take on it.

  • So Scarlet O'hara is like most american women who are playing manipulation games to see how much they can get away with and then when the man gets feed up they want to act like they cared for him to try to get this man back on her manipulation wheel again. Men need cast away all these women that are playing these manipulation games and don't look back. Unless you like dealing with manipulative women for the rest of your life. BTW: I have not seen gone with the wind i'm just commenting on the part she talked about.

12:43 I have a friend who i've been speaking to right now and i actually feel bad for him because i've been asking him questions and i can tell he...he's very very upset umm...he went to high school with me. He actually...he had every ah elementary school teacher i had so umm he is getting divorced. He got married like 3 years ago and he's wife just...just left him. And i think they are going through the process of...the...the whole process and umm he told me just very recently he is going to try and win her back. Umm then he said it looks like it's not going to work. And...and he said i kind of wonder if i should just have never married her because it was so much more fun when we were dating. We were happy and now look what happened. And umm so i was thinking about it and thinking about when i was dating my husband. I ah wanted to marry him so bad. I was so crazy about him. I'm not even exaggerating here. Umm and i said to myself i'm going to be really great,i'm going to be so nice, i'm going to be the best girl, best woman and he is going to marry me. I'm going to get him to marry me. Umm it was just a desicion i made. I was like he's the one you know you decide he's the one your like i'm going to take steps to make that happen. So umm so i got the imperssion from him right away that he was interested in getting married so you know if he have given me like a strong imperssion if he were to say i'm never going to get married i wouldn't have ah felt that way about him probably. I would have said ok well he's not serious about me. So i'm going to keep looking umm but he gave me that imperssion none the less i felt like i had to umm be on my best behavior with him. So umm that's sounds...when i said that out loud that sounded really backwards. Ah in terms of you know like what our culture says it's ok or not ok but i...that's how i felt in my head. Like i better be really good to this one because this is a good one. I better not lose him. Umm and we had so much fun together and ah he...he proposed and we got married and it was all fine. Umm now i think to you know he was probably doing the samiliar thing with me. I'm pretty sure you know i think that's how dating works. It's kind of the traditional...old fashion word of wooing. You know i think umm more so than wives don't really woo their husbands. I think husbands more than well i don't know maybe it goes both ways umm that wooing of the spouse to get them to agree to marry you is what's happening when they are just dating. So it's a lot of fun you know you are not as mean as you might otherwise....

  • Yes women hide their true selves from the men they want to marry because if these men knew what bitches these women truely were they would never have married them in the 1st place.

  • Guys pay attention the fact that she is saying that she considers herself normally mean. And that means she is pretending to be nice and once you marry her the chameleon masque comes off.

Momma Michelle - Part 2 MGTOW, Modern Feminism, and Marriage

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00:00 So after i got married i ah very much felt a sense of relief umm it wasn't like i didn't feel comfortable with him before hand i mean i felt we had as good of a relationship we could have. But umm i really felt a sense of relief that i didn't have to try so hard to umm to convince him to commit to me. Umm and i loved that i could call him my husband and he could call me his wife. I...I really felt like umm before we were married...now in his case i really wanted to marry him so i was ah faithful to him and i'm...i'm sure he was faithful to me. I mean as far as i know. I'm very convinced he's being faithful to me this whole time we been together. Umm but ah before him before i was seriously umm trying to marry him or before i met him i felt like anyone i dated was kind of fair game like umm if someone better came along i could date that guy instead umm so i...i found it comforting to me and i felt after we were married that's when i could really let down my guard and be myself. Now that doesn't mean ah take him for granted. And i think that's a big fear of ah men. Specially the men who join MGTOW. Their like it's all down hill if you get married. Umm for me it wasn't like taking for granted. It was just umm feeling of stability and umm just for me it was a much more peaceful feeling.

  • Of course once you got married you suddenly felt comfortable enough to let down your guard and reveal your true self because you know now he is lock down and he is less likely to leave your ass. BTW: Notice she admits to being hypergamus with a smile to boot and that if she does not consider you marriage material she would not be faithful to you.

04:19 If he ends up you know looking else where for that umm it's entirely his fault. It's 100% his fault. He's the cheater. He is the bad guy. She has every right to take every penny from him that she can get in the divorce.

  • No it's not entirely his fault if his wife was denying him sex. The wife is the bad one in that scenerio. And incase you didn't know it the reason people get married is to have sex. A scam women will try to do is not have sex with their husbands and then try to have one of her friends or someone she knows hit on the guy and try to catch him cheating with her so she can claim to be the victim of his cheating when in reality he is the victim of her not wanting to have sex with him. BTW: Back when there was fault divorce one of the reason a divorce would be granted was because the wife was denying her husband sex.

Sexless marriage is physically frustrating and emotionally painful; long-term and repeated rejection can take a severe toll on the rejected spouse’s confidence and self esteem. Withholding sex or using sex as a weapon against your spouse is not only incredibly damaging to the health of the relationship but can also have legal consequences. If you recognize your relationship to your own spouse in this description, it may be time to start considering divorce.

Can I divorce my spouse for withholding sex? Yes

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05:06 There was one time that i had a really rough time with my husband we weren't getting alone at all. We were fighting a lot. Umm you know every marriage has it's ups and downs umm and i would talk to my friends and umm most of them all they did was make it worse like they made me even more mad more umm like you chose a bad guy maybe i should leave him and then there was one that said the opposite. She was like umm marriage is hard you should fight for it. It's worth it in the long run and umm she would listen to everything i was saying and she was like those are normal things there is nothing wrong with him. Ha Ha HA And i was like really and she like yeah no that's...that's okay umm you can work through this and i was really glad i did. I too...I took her advice. I had like a 5 to 1 ratio of leave him verses umm no it's worth it.

  • There is this woman's commitment to her husband she was thinking about leaving him when things got rough and if it was not for another woman telling her to stick it through she would have turned from NAWALT to ALWALT right before your eyes. This right here is exactly why the system needs to be changed otherwise this woman could have screwover her husband.