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Trolls, concern trolls, and the way we weed you out.

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January 28, 2016
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Just recently one of our fine mods posted a direct and somewhat abrasive post demanding that "The Red Pill is NOT About Self-Improvement. It's Not ABOUT Anything."

Now, if you take a second to react to this lovely title, you might be confused. Reading and enriching yourself is improvement. The red pill clearly has a subject. So what is he trying to say?

Well, some of you took the time to read his post and gather his meaning. But a lot did not. Rather, they decided to go off half-cocked and react in the comments.

Let's first get this out of the way. It's stupid to say that reading the information here doesn't lead to self-improvement. But if we actually read his post, we'll see:

Yes, there are a great many tools inside the Red Pill that can be used to improve your life. In fact, pretty much ALL of them do. But that does NOT give the Red Pill some kind of implicit agenda or purpose.

The information here does not fit the narrow mold of any particular type of self-improvement, nor do two people's versions of improvement necessarily match. In fact, some may be directly in conflict with each other.

I've covered it before. Upon reading this information, it's your choice what to do with it. Anything that helps you get closer to your goals is self improvement to you. But our goals may all be different.

It's the moralizing of goals that prompted this latest sticky. Users claiming that LTRs are the ultimate goal, and all other paths in life are wrong. I, for one, have always recommended spinning plates until you have quality game, and then deciding on whether you want to continue spinning plates or attempt a LTR. But that doesn't mean MGTOW are wrong in their own goals.

So is the red pill really about nothing?

Well, of course not. And if that's what you took away from the post, then you probably didn't read it.

It would appear that we had a number of people who didn't read the post itself, or were there to simply troll. People who jumped on the pedantic bandwagon and missed the forest for the trees, landing on the worst possible interpretation of the post rather than attempt to understand it for the meaning it was looking to give.

Rather than step forward in good faith to be constructive, they looked to detract and deconstruct. And we banned them by the dozens.

Now, I can't tell you how many of them were here simply to detract on purpose, and how many were inadvertently being dense. But it doesn't terribly matter to me. They all cause the same problem. Arguing pedantry over reason, adopting the worst possible interpretation rather than trying to understand the argument put forward.

These are the aspie rules of decorum on the rest of the feminized reddit, not TRP.

If you're worried about big bad mods banning dissent, just remember, we encourage disagreement as long as it's well reasoned, well intentioned, and respectful. If you got banned, don't call us Hitler because you lack the reading comprehension of a third grader.

And yes, before you say it, we sometimes post things that are a little inflammatory and hyperbolic specifically to weed out the trolls. It really works well.


Post Information
Title Trolls, concern trolls, and the way we weed you out.
Author redpillschool
Upvotes 213
Comments 162
Date 28 January 2016 08:07 PM UTC (4 years ago)
Subreddit TheRedPill
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/55770
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/4352c2/trolls_concern_trolls_and_the_way_we_weed_you_out/
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[–]Gawernator106 points107 points  (31 children) | Copy

I thought his post was pretty sensible and straightforward actually.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 118 points119 points  (30 children) | Copy

Probably because you read it.

[–]Endorsed Contributoralways-be-closing25 points26 points  (0 children) | Copy

Also because even if you didn't read it, there was a very helpful, bolded sentence:

The Red Pill is a tool box without specific purpose. YOUR GOALS are the purpose, and you use tools to fulfill it.

If context clues and reading single sentences are beyond someone....hoo-boy.

[–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan68 points69 points  (3 children) | Copy

Agreed. I don't really care who gets what or who misunderstands one post or another, so long as they shut the fuck up about it.

'Tis better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.

[–]fingerthemoon5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Lends credence to the saying: those who say don't know and those who know don't say.

For every idiot comment there's probably dozens who get it. I find myself skimming over more and more.

[–]Endorsed ContributorProtoPill34 points35 points  (9 children) | Copy

Arguing pedantry over reason, adopting the worst possible interpretation rather than trying to understand the argument put forward.

In the law, I learned to employ what the studies of philosophy and rhetoric call the principle of charity, which requires interpreting a speaker's statements to be rational and, in the case of any argument, considering its best, strongest possible interpretation.

It appears that principle was not adhered to in that post. I would encourage our members to employ this principle, even when debating contentious issues. It is of particular use outside of TRP because it keeps the discourse professional and minimizes miscommunication.

[–]UntraceableRP7 points8 points  (5 children) | Copy

Are you saying you employ the tactic as a lawyer? How does this serve your best interest?

[–]Endorsed ContributorProtoPill37 points38 points  (3 children) | Copy

Yes. It serves a number of purposes. First, if you attribute the best possible impression of an argument to your adversary, you both: anticipate what the best possible impression of his argument is to the court, and you identify how to dismantle his best arguments. Second, while the American legal system is adversarial, ultimately all litigation has a risk ceiling. If you attribute the best impression of your adversary's arguments, you better understand his position, which assists you greatly in understanding what his client is after and how best the parties can come to resolution of their dispute. Dismissing your opponent's arguments outright makes you a fool for not considering that you just don't understand his arguments; maybe the court does, and the court will reem you for your mistake.

[–]fingerthemoon2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

I think this is wise advice. Often when in conflict or argument we will latch on to flaws we perceive, address them and dismiss the grains of truth. If one practices seeing the others point of view, intentions and objectives clearly and acknowledges their good points (silently and internally), we'll find ourselves in a better position to dismantle their assertions.

[–]Enjoyitbeforeitsover0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Now I'm hoping someone can point out an example that breaks this concept down.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I learned something valuable with your post. Thanks.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

also this

from http://existentialcomics.com/blog

So I am proposing a new principle: The Principle of Science. When first reading a philosophical text, you should read it not as the most compelling argument, but rather as though you were reading a scientific text. The reason for this is simple: scientific texts are taken as fact. Philosophy texts are always presumed to be questionable. When you first encounter Newton's Law that says an object in motion will continue in motion until acted upon, you don't say, "What a load of crap, I threw a meat pie at my cousin Mike just last week, and it stopped on its own accord before it got to him." Obviously, although scientific theories can be overturned, people assume that they are correct, so their only objective becomes trying to understand the theory. However, when Kuhn says that science, like evolution, progresses towards nothing in particular, a lot of people's first reaction is something like: "What a load of shit, science obviously progresses towards the truth", then they spent the rest of the time trying to work out just how wrong Kuhn is. Now, obviously Kuhn's claim is much more controversial than Newton's, and in fact most philosophers don't agree with him, but the point of reading his book shouldn’t necessarily be to become a Kuhnian, but rather to understand him. That doesn't mean that you can’t critique the ideas afterwards, but understanding the ideas first is much more important than refuting them, and you really shouldn't worry about it too much. In fact, it’s often more fruitful to read another philosopher's critique than trying to come up with your own.

[–]deeman0100 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'm skeptical of the text you quoted.

Sure, whenever a post says that "scientists" discovered xxx and yyy people will usually go on and assume the above to be the truth but, within the structures of science, you already have built in skepticism. Skepticism that requires one to test, re-test, critique others, and so forth. The point still stands but I can't agree with the automatic assumption of a "scientific" paper being correct.

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[–]Senior Contributoradam-l15 points16 points  (2 children) | Copy

For me, the Red Pill is realizing that no woman will ever love you. Like you want to be loved, like you yourself can love a woman, etc.

This makes MGTOW's redpillers.

The whole discussion is about what you do with this knowledge.

[–]alieninception251 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

thats what i came to realize aswell

[–]2red4u6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

There's a lot of contradictions between posts, sometimes from the same power users even. Have to just ignore the useless posts about subreddit politics and pick out the posts that still have useful information.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yup. It is.

[–]ManoshD1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

please keep it that way

[–]catacamas1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Perhaps you're thinking of "Rule Zero" in the TRP sidebar, where it states:

"TRP's mission is to increase men's sexual power and options, and improve their lives.

This is the mission. Support the mission. Or go somewhere else."

To me that does sound like it contradicts the claim that TRP is 'not about anything', but perhaps I'm missing some broader point or just nitpicking over irrelevant minutiae.

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's named "The Red Pill" for a reason. All it's here for is to let you know that yes, the world you were likely raised to believe in does not actually exist. The ticket to eternal happiness is NOT being a niceguy doormat as you were taught.

What you choose to do with this information then is up to you.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (5 children) | Copy

First thing's first: this is /u/redpillschool's house. He's been preaching and delineating RedPill knowledge since long before most of you chucklefucks even knew what the RP was, whilst you were still busy buying your girlfriends flowers and chocolates and coupons for the local spa whilst telling her how great she was.

/u/redpillschool, along with the Mod team he has assembled, is the final word on what stays or goes here. PERIOD. Just because you happened to stroll over here from /r/askMen or /r/askWomen or /r/relationshits doesn't mean you have free reign to dog shit whatever bullshit, politically correct, anti-male comment you feel like spewing here. Unlike the aforementioned subreddits, \r\theredpill has a very specific mission, and that mission is to HELP MEN GET LAID WHO AREN'T GETTING LAID. GET THAT FAGGOTS?

Everything else is an ancillary effect. You got great muscles from Skyping with /u/GayLubeOil? Great. You improved your internet game from taking advice from /u/CisWhiteMaelstrom or /u/OmLaLa? Awesome. You gained amazing insight into the female rationale from /u/IllimitableMan? Even better.

But if you aren't here to contribute to Rule Zero, then you aren't here for the right reasons, and I and/or my mod affiliates will see your fucking ass out of here. We aren't here to entertain your debates. If you'd like to tell TRP how full of shit we are, then scoot your ass over to /r/purplepilldebate.

Also, I will no longer tolerate fucking with Endorsed Contributors. They don't get those tags because they pay us or because they complement how nice our sub looks. They've EARNED those endorsements from a long time history of positive contributions to /r/TheRedPill. In all honesty, they are no longer here for themselves, they are here to HELP YOU. So stop fucking with them. Any fucking with ECs is a bannable offense.

I hate to come to the community in such a confrontational manner ahead of what should be a great weekend, but from the attitudes afforded lately to /u/EpicLevelCheater and our forum's leader, /u/redpillschool, I believe it to be necessary. TRP is growing, that is a good thing, but along with that, TRP is also experiencing an overload of chucklefucks who joined Planet Fitness last weekend, winked at a girl once, and think they know everything. This will not be tolerated.

WORD TO THE WISE: Observe Rule Zero. Before you tap that "SUBMIT" button, ask yourself: Will this comment contribute to Rule Zero?" If not, understand that you are risking a comment deletion at best, and a ban at worst.

This sub has thrived because of our moderation methods, not in spite of them. Remember that. If you are here to debate, you are here for the wrong reasons. If you are here to drop smart mouth bullshit comments, you are here for the wrong reasons. If you are here to tell us how great TRP "used to be", you are here for the wrong reasons.

This is a Modocracy. This is not a "free speech" zone. If you want that, head back to Reddit proper. This space is for men looking to explore and expand their knowledge of The Red Pill. All others can kindly fuck off.

[–]ManoshD2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

HELP MEN GET LAID WHO AREN'T GETTING LAID. GET THAT FAGGOTS?

Finally! A mod that says it. Hay mods, I've seen arguments break out where some dipshits come in and say "it isn't about sex" and "there is more to life than sex". These comments get upvoted and threads talking about sexual strategy get attacked, any other way you guys can make this damn clear to the people that are trying to make this sub anti-sexual strategy.

[–]macksdowntownsong1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Any fucking with ECs is a bannable offense.

What if those ECs have turned into the very people that think the getting laid talk is too much? What if those ECs say something highly biased (say they start insulting Donald Trump and praising Bernie Sanders)?

I know they might have once been great people but people change overtime. Can the mods at least give the ban an objective look before they ban?

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

You're welcome to disagree with them. Just don't be a dick to them.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Most ECs are pretty open to alternative viewpoints. How else do you think they acquired any insight that the community finds valuable?

What bothers me (and a few others) is the deliberate AMOGGING that serves no purpose. Disagreement for the sake of it.

Instabans work for me

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

At a higher level, I (and I'm sure many others) appreciate the mod team working to keep this place free of the white knight / black knight / troll / flamer personas that occupy far too many places in an online society. The principle of charity has been discussed elsewhere here, and it is a far superior choice to the 2X approach of extrapolating arguments to absurdity, and a damn sight better than the 4chan-esque "OP is a faggot" tactics employed by your average troll.

With that being said, a lot of the posts that get created could use some serious social revision. If a post has quality content, it doesn't need to rely on inflammatory language (or other sensationalist bullshit) to get its point across. The post in question isn't guilty of having bad content, but of using intentionally malicious language in an effort to garner support. This is a tactic that quickly dilutes the quality of information being offered, which in turn brings the trolls and white knights out to play.

For instance, suppose that I want to make the point that lifting every day drastically improves your chances with women. I could go about it in one of two ways:

  1. I could post a link to a scientific study or social experiment that shows the value of lifting weights in relation to a control (say, no exercise at all, or heavy cardiovascular work only). I could give that post a thought-provoking title, such as "[University] researchers confirm Red Pill Truth", and I could fill the text box with a few paragraphs of interesting topic just waiting for discussion.

  2. I could make a discussion post offering anecdotal evidence about a guy who got shot down at the gym because "He was totally smaller than that other guy!" Then, I could give it some intentionally crass headline like "Women don't want little bitches AWALT" and fill the text box with 12 paragraphs of experiential drivel that does very little to advance the discussion.

One of those posting tactics has been way less prominent than the other, at least in the past 6 months or so. The quality of posting here has deteriorated so far that, in addition to having an official posting policy, TRP had to implement a posting FORMAT just to reduce the amount of garbage being posted on a daily basis. Simply put, as one of the more reasonable and logical spaces on the internet, we can do better. We should rely on the depth and breadth of our content for attention, rather than resorting to clickbaiting and aggrandizement to get people to read the material.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You know, I agree with what you're saying.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (3 children) | Copy

There's an easier way, just get ultimatecad or gaylubeoil loose, they weed out concern trolls better than anyone

[–]Do not send modmail to my personal inboxCrazyHorseInvincible26 points27 points  (2 children) | Copy

If GLO didn't exist, we would have had to invent him.

[–]cosmicartery3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

aww :)

[–]ironblacksmith12 points13 points  (10 children) | Copy

Hate to be devil's advocate, but the people who didn't read the last post or missed its point entirely will probably do the same here. We can't save anyone other than ourselves, even if they've already found TRP... Or learned to read.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 19 points20 points  (0 children) | Copy

Hate to be devil's advocate, but the people who didn't read the last post or missed its point entirely will probably do the same here. We can't save anyone other than ourselves, even if they've already found TRP... Or learned to read.

Well of course they'll miss it here too. But they're banned so they'll do it quietly. Heh.

[–]2IVIaskerade3 points4 points  (7 children) | Copy

the people who didn't read the last post or missed its point entirely will probably do the same here.

This post serves to invalidate complaints about bans. Not reading the rules is not an excuse for ignorance, and having them clearly stated helps to weed out the idiots.

[–]Moldy_Gecko2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy

Not sure, unless trolly, the point of a ban though. Is there temp bans or are all bans permabans? A temp ban is understandable. But TRP is a great resource and it would be shit to get banned for disagreeing with something one of the "endorsed" or "Admins" say.

[–]2IVIaskerade3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Not sure the point of a ban though.

Keeping the signal-to-noise ratio high. We have ~140,000 subscribers, and that's a lot of posts. The mods have adopted a zero-tolerance policy because otherwise we'd be inundated with shitposts trying to debate the core axioms of the sub, which isn't what this sub is for.

[–]twatbutter1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Do bans even carry any weight? What stops someone who is banned from just making another alt?

[–]Moldy_Gecko2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

It would hold weight with me. Lose faith in mods and I don't create alts, so TRP would be lost to me forever...

[–]twatbutter0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I fail to see how shitty mods would affect your view on the red pill philosophy but ok

[–]Moldy_Gecko1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It wouldn't affect my view, but if I'm banned, I won't be able to really use the sub. And I wouldn't argue with the mods (the lost faith part) to unban me.

[–]americnleprchaun0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

there are temp bans, often 7 days

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

There's a button for that(ban), he's throwing out a branch to those who are 'this' close to getting it.

[–]user_none2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

For me, TRP and MRP are tribesmen, both young and old, sitting around a fire sharing stories.

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[–]Modredpillschool[S] -1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy

No slippery slope here. This has been our policy since the beginning of the sub, and I think we're quite forward about the garbage we take out. See this interaction for an example of where we draw the line:

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/4352c2/trolls_concern_trolls_and_the_way_we_weed_you_out/czfy3c4?context=1

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[–]Modredpillschool[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Whoops, you didn't even try to hide the trolling.

[–]angryuser_trp7 points8 points  (3 children) | Copy

I didn't expect /u/EpicLevelCheater to be white-knighted here after that post he made, least of all by you.

Lemme explain the level of salt here - when the thread subject starts with "Attention Idiots", I fully expect that the OP has something eye-opening to say - as often is true on these boards. But in his case it turned out to be a diarrhea-level post comparable to what would one expect on 2X and the like. And he got called out on it - as is customary on these boards.

It is fallacious to state that TRP is not about self-improvement. While TRP's goal is not to improve oneself, it's also true that TRP is nothing without self-improvement. Therefore, you can never say that TRP is not about self-improvement.

So please, instead of white-knighting that sad boy, do us a favor and teach him to make posts that actually make fucking sense instead. Thank you very much.

[–]fingerthemoon5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Just because you didn't understand doesn't mean it didn't make sense. It made perfect sense to me.

TRP is not all about self-improvement. To label it as such is narrow-minded. Sure, that's a big part of it for most people but your missing the point.

He made a good analogy about tools. Tools can be used for an almost infinite amount of tasks and to say they are only good for building a house is limiting.

I hesitate to try and define TRP, but for me it's largely about understanding human psychology. (and I do try and use that information to my advantage). But some come here to vent, others to connect and self-promote. Some are here to try and help others.

Sure, we're all trying to self-improve in one way or another, so I see your point about that, but to label it as such is simply wrong.

I suggest you go back and reread the post until it sinks in. Obviously he had a point to make and felt it important enough to write a post and sticky it.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

It is fallacious to state that TRP is not about self-improvement.

So you neither read his post nor mine.

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[–]Modredpillschool[S] 6 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy

You really don't have to worry about an echo chamber. We're talking about two completely different levels here.

There's a difference between people having differing opinions and straight up trolling. If people are going to do what happens in my op, we'll ban them each and every time.

Unless you rather the noise end up louder than discussion, this is the way to keep things in order.

I watched a thread made by a girl who didn't understand what the purpose of this place is, and while it was annoying to read that dramatic mess - everybody kept their cool and that was that.

That's because we banned everybody who didn't.

[–]twatbutter2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

There tends to be an echo chamber in any community with a like-minded membership, especially when certain concepts are hammered in and reinforced moreso than others. I don't see TRP as any different than, say, twoxchromosomes, in this regard. Bringing up anything that doesn't fit our initial schema of TRP either falls into oblivion or is rejected outright without being given a fair chance for discussion.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

At that point the word echo chamber could just as well be called "topic."

[–]Do not send modmail to my personal inboxCrazyHorseInvincible[M] 3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy

I really hate the notion that we'd ban anybody here

We hate it, too.

But the real world is a messy and complicated place, and sometimes we have to do things we don't like to achieve our goals.

Here's a message we got in modmail the other day:

Jesus,

Never realized before /r/{name of conservative political subreddit} modded me. Modding is a fucking lot of work. Every dipshit from from SandersForPresident wants to debate me and call me dishonest when I ignore them. Every jackass who looks like every other jackass thinks he's the first one to act like a jackass the way he did and that makes him special.

And then the other side of the spectrum. Every asshole from /r/European wants to show up with zero knowledge of America or {subject} and tell me about how they want to burn black people. Then they bitch about how we're all SJWs and the ever-paranoid redditors are ready as fuck to just drop the sub on the drop of a hat without seeing any evidence unless mods respond.

And here's what I told him:

Welcome to Mr. Chode's Wild Ride.

A few words of advice.

  • Don't debate these losers, and don't succumb to the urge to have the last word. They are time and energy vampires. Just mute the crazies and move on.

  • Have a bias in favour of stronger action (removals, bans), but be prepared to reverse yourself if a reasonable person who made a mistake gets caught in your net. It happens sometimes, and most guys will be understanding if you explain and apologize.

  • Don't hesitate to ban anyone who looks like they will become a problem. Being banned from a subreddit is not a death sentence. Failure to ban trolls, however, is a death sentence for a subreddit.

  • You will be insulted from both ends of the spectrum. We get called nazis for not allowing people to cry about "misogyny", and we get called "SJWs" and "pussies" for not allowing people to cry about "niggers" and "the jooooooz". If one of those rivers of hate ever stops flowing, check yourself.

  • Remember it's volunteer work, not a job. If you catch yourself getting burnt out, step back and let the other mods carry the weight for a while. Then do the same for them.

That's probably the best way I can give you some idea what it's like. Let me know if you want me to copy and paste one day's worth of expletive-laced rants from SJW trolls, spergs, and just guys trying to prove their internet penis is huge.

[–]SinisterSwindler0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I have to give it to you mods, you guys get so much shit. I am grateful for the job you guys do and have no issue with the way you run things. it's a shame and remarkable with what you guys have to put up with.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Let me know if you want me to copy and paste one day's worth of expletive-laced rants from SJW trolls, spergs, and just guys trying to prove their internet penis is huge.

Do it.

Post them.

It's fascinating to see how delusional some people are..

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This comment is a reminder to myself to post some screen shots when I'm at a computer. I have a really bad one just from yesterday.

[–]1PantsonFire12346 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy

I'm curious what the moderators think of some of the latest 'AWALT' and 'Field Report' posts. They have no flair and it's always some rant about how some guy observed basic RP truths. It's always some horror story about how a girl acts like a slut. Not to mention some of it strays away from the message

This leads me to conclude that either:

  • Some newbie found TRP, read the basics and opted to write about some personal account out of anger.

  • There are some trolls who purposefully post untrue stories with no plausibility filled with RP terms such as AWALT. As a means to fuck with the heads of men who are trying to unplug.

I think it's important we keep an inquisitive approach to what we read here and elsewhere. If we want to handle in truths and reality there can't be any poisoners information stream. There are plenty of respected posters and intelligently written posts. I'm not talking about those, rather the shady/zero effort posts.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

I usually flair about 10 - 15 posts a day because people are lazy.

Field reports and AWALT reports, if they demonstrate the principles and don't appear to be false, are always welcome. Most of us who have been around might consider them redundant or unnecessary, and that's one of the reason we have flairs, so you can skip them. But for new comers or those who haven't quite swallowed the pill, it works well to help demonstrate that our theories have real life applications, that they happen, even in small ways.

I think it's important we keep an inquisitive approach to what we read here and elsewhere. If we want to handle in truths and reality there can't be any poisoners information stream. There are plenty of respected posters and intelligently written posts. I'm not talking about those, rather the shady/zero effort posts.

We do our best to remove anything zero effort, but there just aren't that many mods and there's a lot of people posting. Click report when you see something low quality. It helps a lot.

[–]1Sir_Distic2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

For me at least, real-life examples are a great way to see TRP in action and helps me to actually learn something.

"Oh ok. THAT'S what they mean by that. I see it now!"

So even sometimes if a FR is done by a newer poster who isn't fully unplugged I sometimes gain benefit from it. More often than not there are great examples in the comments rather than the post.

As for EC, they aren't gods. But they ARE endorsed for a reason. Almost exclusively when they post it's a good post. Many, many EC come to mind.

[–]1PantsonFire12340 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'll definitely do that from now on. Keeping the sub high quality should be a group effort all of us will benefit from in the end. Thanks.

[–]Lithiumthium3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

IMHO the problem is preaching:

  • HEY JERKWADS, SEE HOW I UNRAVEL THIS BITCH DEVIOUS PLAN TO FUCK ME UP, NEVER GET MARRIED, AWALT, RP IS TRUTH, PEACE.
  • HEY IDIOTS, SEE HOW I NAILED THIS SKANK ASS THAT I MET ON THE CLUB, LESSONS LEARNED: THEM BITCHES ALL DUMB
  • HEY DUMBASSES, SEE HOW EVERY WOMAN AROUND THE WORLD IS OUT TO FUCK YOU UP, AWALT, LESSONS LEARNED: SPIN PLATES FUCK BITCHES
  • HEY INSERTINSULTHERE, INSERT YOUR SOLO EXPERIENCE WHERE YOU CRUSHED/OWNED/WONATLIFE, PREACH YOUR POINT OF VIEW OF HOW EVERYONE SHOULD LIVE THEIR LIVES LESSONS LEARNED: * MY PERSONAL VIEW, TOTALLY NOT ON ANGRY PHASE *

And time and time again mods come to say something along the lines of "TRP is not religion" but it is hard for some to internalize this, humanity has somewhat the need of someone to guide them and some people after they know something others don't they want to "hey guise, I know the truth, hear ye hear ye" and the cycle of validation/approval continues. And even if you say read the mfing side bar thousand times and they read a thousand times there is always "that person".

I think for some people discovering RP is like gaining a superpower, once you use it and it works you misinterpret RP so it fits your own beliefs, then the preaching starts, I somewhat agree that RP is a superpower, but even though, how you use it is the important part, and frankly I have 0 cares how you use it, just don't, fucking, preach it.

I understand rpschool, but I think this is just a consequence of a growing sub, after moderating internet communities since the 90's never saw one that went different.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yes, this is because of a growing sub. And our reaction (banning tons of users) is our cure. I don't care if I have to ban until there's only the original 100 users left.

[–]Lithiumthium0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If there are 100 then the trolls win.

Conflict may breed enemies, but everytime this happens I notice someone going "OOOHHH now I get it, better stop preaching" and they become an ally.

It is stressful, but the result is TRP reaching a lot of people, I can say that some people in Italy and Germany know and practice RP, I'm learning both languages and well, chatting is good and I discovered like this: "Well that is kinda....." - " RP? Yes. " "oh sh.... MY NIGGA. "

So when shit like this happens, RP gains awareness and more people learn.

[–]randarrow1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I read it, and couldn't figure out the point past some sort of 'dont over analyze trp' or 'don't think of trp as religion'. Now we know....

[–]Luckyluke231 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

why is everyone trying to define what redpill is. I'm to busy trying to LEARN from what it teacher rather than to define it.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Indeed, in fact that's what the OP was about. Telling people to stop trying to define the tools, and learn from them.

[–]real-boethius1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I question whether the Red Pill is about anything that clearly seeing what is really going on and what is really true.

Wikipedia has it roughly right for once

The red pill and its opposite, the blue pill, are popular culture symbols representing the choice between embracing the sometimes painful truth of reality (red pill) and the blissful ignorance of illusion (blue pill).

What you do with that information can vary wildly. PUA, Self-improvement, managing your relationships with women and with men better, taking responsibility for your life, getting fit, MGTOW, even getting involved in fomenting political change.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

to be fair the title was very reaction-inducing

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yes it was, on purpose. To weed out those who don't read the rest.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Right, I forget that's part of the essence of this sub.

[–]IM_PRETTY_RACIST1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think people come on here a lot to argue. They're still angry at women, at life, at whatever and come to argue at one another about, like you said, pedantry, while completely missing the point. You called it in that this seems to be a running theme with reddit as a whole.

Ok I'm done sucking you off now. Thanks for the post.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think trp is simply about being/becoming a man. Simple as that. Some men are douche bags, some are benevolent. But those men are can, at the very least, hold their own against the feminized, pussified boys and girls they come across. In its essence, we're unlocking the power the women and children fear. This has been the purpose of suppression since the beginning of modern man.

[–]itsbooming4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Well, I disagreed with his post and the way he was trying to convery it. Doesn't really matter to me how or why. Sometimes commenters aren't always going to agree with the OP. It happens, it's not really the end of the world.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

Well, I disagreed with his post and the way he was trying to convery it. Doesn't really matter to me how or why. Sometimes commenters aren't always going to agree with the OP. It happens, it's not really the end of the world.

I'm going to stop you there. It wasn't merely a disagreement, but a complete misunderstanding of what was posted, and then a flippant goading of the mods upon said failure to comprehend... also known as trolling.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

reading comprehension is actually the number one red pill skill

[–]FearDearg20153 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy

Every so often there should be little honey pot traps like that one to flush out the dead weight. Lot of posts recently bashing feminism, and while they are interesting posts in themselves, they are not what TRP is about. Those posts are like one big hamster circle jerk.

[–]RavelsBolero1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I second this. I don't come to this sub to read about how the next idiot hates feminism, or how he got taken to task in his political science class by the women and betas.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

It's interesting, because we post them about once every few months, and very few people catch on.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

If that is what you are actually doing, then why are you telling everyone?

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Either the trolls wise up and stop doing it, which would mean they effectively stop trolling (that would be a win) or they don't because they're morons. The community itself is entitled to hear what's happening.

Edit: And it looks like /u/whatnameshouldihave, even when presented with exactly how we set a trap for trolls, fell right for it in his next comment, and was banned.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Rather than step forward in good faith to be constructive, they looked to detract and deconstruct. And we banned them by the dozens.

Awesome.

[–]SmilingWatermelon1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Surprised his post could be misinterpreted by a logical thinking man.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

I stopped being surprised by the limitless idiocy of the public.

[–]darkrood0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

TIL 100% of Redpill readers are logical thinking men.

[–]BlackJ11 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy

Ok, but I'm curious as to what's the best way to describe what TRP is about in a nutcase if someone asks: "What is TRP about?"

Because up until now I actually read I realized my interpretations of TRP is off.

[–]Free_skier1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Why would you explain it? You don't need to convert people like a religion.

[–]IkilledJarJar1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You're right on that part, but I've had a few friends ask where I get my understanding of female dating behaviors.

[–]2red4u0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I think a lot of people here try to link EVERYTHING that the redpill stands for back to sexual strategy. I think the belief that everything you will ever do to improve yourself is to get pussy over-simplifies us a little. I've gotten the most out of the corporate world posts, it's improving my business interactions with other alpha's that has helped me here the most, which I'm hard pressed to link to sexual strategy.

There are still some who will say that being successful is also just another grab for pussy, but again I don't think that every action in life is just a less hairy ape looking for a hole. Maybe I'm wrong, but personally I get a bigger hard-on from closing a multi-million dollar deal than fucking an HB9 any day.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think a lot of people here try to link EVERYTHING that the redpill stands for back to sexual strategy.

It really depends on how you look at it. Why do you strive to do well in the corporate world? Resources? Why do you strive for resources?

It's not merely for some pussy, but it would be naive to assume our drives aren't evolutionary planted, that is to say, beneficial specifically because of passing genes (or the pursuit of).

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I've always hated it when people describe it as "self improvement" because it seems to play to the feminine imperative too well. I call it discussion of sexual strategy.

[–]Albacorewing0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I did not find the original post offensive. Everyone has their own point of view. I appreciate the moderators, as trolls and flamers can get to a site and cutter it up so badly that the site becomes tedious to read.

[–]Rasalom720 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I thought I heard someone grumbling under a bridge the other day....

[–]u-r-silly0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

And this is why you don't WRITE on /r/TheRedPill until you understand your opinion actually doesnt matter (because of how badly formed it is) in the light of only a few who really are experienced to write something about it.

Listen, young padawan.

[–]Krainz0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Why just not say:

Guys, TRP has no goals or agenda.

Use what you learn here to your own will.

Every redpiller chooses its own path.

It's pretty much clear, sums up everything and clears the confusion regarding the word "about".

As for trolls and concern trolling, I've seen a lot of this lately. People telling me later "oh now that I actually read your comment in detail I see where you're coming from". Bullshit. Why even bother taking part in the discussion if you're not actually reading what you're replying to?

TRP is almost getting to the point of requiring an entry exam to participate in without deteriorating the collective construct.

[–]ManoshD0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I just want to thank the mods so much for clarifying how this place is about sexual strategy and discussing how to get laid. So many posters are talking about bullshit like buying a fucking cabin out in the woods to get away from evil society and spitting out philosophical bullshit about how there is more to life because getting laid is so overrated.

My best times in life have been when I had options with women and got laid, others deserve to discuss that without some neckbeard sexless dipshit talking about how getting laid is just not that important. Why else did you come to a sub dedicated to discussing sexual strategy then doofus?

Please mods, make this clear to all of these dipshits and please ban those fucktard neckbeards because they are ruining this sub and making it into their own personal dairy.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I've always kind of thought about TRP like gravity, or maybe the rain.

You can jump out of a plane, or jump off a bridge. You can bring an umbrella, or gamble on the weather.

However don't blame gravity when you hit the ground, or the rain when you get wet. You made choices knowing they were there.

[–]PandaMania30 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

In Chinese Philosophy, every non living thing has no purpose. A living being with an intention will use the non living thing for a Purpose.

You decide how things in life will have a purpose or not. Not the things coming into your life. Likewise for Woman.

[–]Toxicbutt0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Smart idea with the troll bait posts.

[–]Valentinus91710 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I do not seek Truth because it leads to anything tangible. I seek Truth because it is something worth seeking.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Users claiming that LTRs are the ultimate goal, and all other paths in life are wrong.

Other paths in life aren't wrong, but pair-bonding and monogamy is rarer and more in line with evolution from my point of view.

[–]Master11760 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I bet it would be interesting to make a graph of all new users, and track how often they post over their first year on TRP. If their volume of posts goes down after 6 months, that's a good sign. If their post volume actually increases, I suspect that the majority of the time you're seeing someone who really hasn't improved themselves at all. They want the circle jerk. They want more AWALT stories, more stories of how terrible women are, etc. It makes them feel better. Righteous anger can feel great.

That doesn't include the TRP philosophers, however. A few become elder statesmen, who drive the search for truth forward. But as for the rest.. neckbeards who have been reading TRP for a year, still jerk off to porn every night, don't lift, etc.

[–]IIlllIllIIIllIl0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Looking for some clarification. This place gave me a freedom I never thought possible, and it continues to daily. The mods and their decisions always respect what this place stands for.

This last set of stickies confuses me a little though. I get the tool box analogy, take what you want and leave the rest. To me, self-improvement is simply the process through which we pursue Rule Zero. That rule states that this place is to increase men's sexual power and options. When /u/EpicLevelCheater said this place wasn't about anything, it seemed to indirectly contradict Rule Zero. Can someone rectify this misunderstanding everyone else seems to get?

[–]planetface0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah if you took the time to read it was a pretty great idea. Just enforcing that everyone is going to have different uses and needs for TRP. Some people are married some people are single some people are mad or sad. The Red Pill is here to help you be a better Man. Emphasis on MAN

[–]TheEnglishman280 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

What I got from it was that TRP does not have a singular purpose and it never has had one. The purposes people will find here are the ones they need. Not everyone has the same need because they are not in the same place in life as others. There is no one size fits all solution. Any member here will get out of this sub what they need and most importantly, whatever they give of themselves towards achieving their goals.

[–]JohnnyRaz-1 points0 points  (17 children) | Copy

There's obviously a lot of self improvement among people here...men wishing to better themselves in one way or another. Anyone can see that. I think something that we all have in common more so than anything else is our knowledge that something is amiss. Something in the (western) world is very wrong right now. Even people that have no clue about TRP and similar ideologies, etc can start to see it. Look at everything going on recently.

Also, I don't think it's right for mods to call anyone here idiots like that.

[–]ECoast_Man5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Also, I don't think it's right for mods to call anyone here idiots like that.

This embodies concern trolling in my opinion. It reminds me of Canadian hate speech law where it has been decided that even "truthful" speech, can be hateful. If people are being idiots, then they're going to be called idiots, notwithstanding their feelings. The unsubscribe button is at your disposal if you disagree.

Also, these posts seemed obvious to me. These are life tips by men designed for men to get ahead. Case/point - /u/VasiliyZaitzev had a great post the other day with respect to restaurants. I am stealing almost all of that, and none of it has to do with women, but it's just great advice. The toolbox analogy is a good one - the things described here are designed to help you succeed, in whatever way it can be applied... This seems an obvious point.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

There's obviously a lot of self improvement among people here...men wishing to better themselves in one way or another. Anyone can see that. I think something that we all have in common more so than anything else is our knowledge that something is amiss. Something in the (western) world is very wrong right now. Even people that have no clue about TRP and similar ideologies, etc can start to see it. Look at everything going on recently.

So it's like you missed the entire point.

Also, I don't think it's right for mods to call anyone here idiots like that.

If you don't think it applied to you, don't take offense to it.

[–]JohnnyRaz0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

No I got the point perfectly, I was making an obvious general statement which you can most likely agree to.

The original thread derailed itself a few times and in many areas seemed stupid-as-fuck, honestly this thread seems like it was posted as damage control in response to it.

Also, what exactly is gained by calling people idiots/ put downs while you stand on a box and prophesize or whatever that was supposed to be? Were you trying to teach newcomers something or? I'm genuinely stumped. Elaborate please.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

If you look through my posting history, you'll see we do this about once every 4-6 months to clean out the trolls.

And, yeah, if you're arguing about whether self improvement gets discussed here (we do), then I think you missed the point.

[–]Mofocheez-1 points0 points  (12 children) | Copy

Also, I don't think it's right for mods to call anyone here idiots like that

Why worry about it?

They'll either make their own beds, or it'll be inconsequential.

If anything, call it contradictory. Call a mod or a TRP Endorsed an idiot (and back it with logical and critical reasoning) and be prepared for hell. Because it doesn't matter what you say, it matters who you're saying it to. It's the nature of groupthink to gang up on the weak and the isolated. Try attacking those in power (regardless of actual right or wrong, correct or incorrect) and you'll find yourself as the isolated target.

[–]Modredpillschool[S,M] 1 point2 points  (11 children) | Copy

Those called out as idiots were the newcomers who talked out of their asses.

If anything, call it contradictory. Call a mod or a TRP Endorsed an idiot (and back it with logical and critical reasoning) and be prepared for hell. Because it doesn't matter what you say, it matters who you're saying it to. It's the nature of groupthink to gang up on the weak and the isolated. Try attacking those in power (regardless of actual right or wrong, correct or incorrect) and you'll find yourself as the isolated target.

Don't forget that the endorsed contributors are here on merit and nothing more. We endorse people who have proven a history of quality contributions.

And they bring a lot of good content, that bring this subreddit value. If some new kid shows up and beats his chest and starts calling an EC an idiot, damn right we're going to give him hell. Because he did nothing to prove himself or bring quality to our users, and we sure as hell not going to just leave our actual contributors out to dry while noobs who believe this is freedom america and that justice on the red pill forum must be upheld can run amok and make noise and remove value from our readers.

it doesn't matter what you say, it matters who you're saying it to. It's the nature of groupthink to gang up on the weak and the isolated

Calm your tits, there's no giant secret conspiracy where a group of guys who give up countless hours of their time trying to keep order on the most trolled subreddit (known as moderators) are here to keep the little man down or horde power like we're able to just take it down to the bank laughing our way about the new kid we gave a verbal lashing to.

I mean for fucks sake, here you are, making a ridiculous argument, accusing the mods of impropriety, who literally do this out of the kindness of their hearts, and you're not banned, not removed, just getting a response from a mod who has given years of his life to ensuring this place works and stays on top of its subject.

But really, what have you brought to this sub? Why should we let you sit around and fling accusations that require us to continuously defend ourselves rather than do our actual job? Do you have a good defense for why your garbage of a comment is better content here than what our ECs bring to the table?

Of course you don't.

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper6 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy

One important lesson for the audience here is expecting status not to matter is the attitude of a clueless sperg.

Of course status matters. Status always matters. We teach that principle here. We teach social realpolitik. So why would anyone who has learned this expect ECs and newcomers to have an equal voice?

Stop expecting things to be fair and unbiased, because they never are. Learn how to exist in the real world.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

And sperg he was, he just tried to argue with me in PM, but clearly didn't read I thing I wrote.

[–]Moldy_Gecko0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

What's a sperg? I've never heard that one.

[–]1Paid_Internet_Troll2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

It's slang for someone who acts like they have Asperger's Syndrome:

Someone who is highly intelligent, pedantic to the extreme, and with almost the level of social awareness of an average 4-year-old.

[–]Moldy_Gecko0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Alright. I got a friend with Aspergers.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

For the onlookers who may have seen this interchange, /u/mofocheez tried to respond something about dry vaginas and was promptly banned.

I'm leaving this exchange up because it will work well for me in the future when people want to complain that we censor.

This is what we clean up for you guys.

[–]Greek_Odyssey1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Don't forget that the endorsed contributors are here on merit and nothing more. We endorse people who have proven a history of quality contributions.

I lol when people start thinking they deserve something they haven't earned. In any interaction there are those that have status above the others. One can either sit and bitch about it like any other SOB or find out what makes them different and earn their place at the table.

And they bring a lot of good content, that bring this subreddit value. If some new kid shows up and beats his chest and starts calling an EC an idiot, damn right we're going to give him hell. Because he did nothing to prove himself or bring quality to our users, and we sure as hell not going to just leave our actual contributors out to dry while noobs who believe this is freedom america and that justice on the red pill forum must be upheld can run amok and make noise and remove value from our readers.

For those who feel that it is not fair to receive shit for trolling EC's first of all read u/Whisper reply on fairness

Stop expecting things to be fair and unbiased, because they never are. Learn how to exist in the real world.

Secondly think of trolling EC's as walking into your boss's or supervisor's office and telling them to their face FUCK YOU. Surely you do not expect to have a job the following day. You're only hoping they don't press charges.

[–]Thetmeister05-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

I could be completely off base here (wouldn't be the first time...), but I don't think he was directing anything at mods or a conspiracy with the comment. It read to me like it was directed at the rest of the users for just taking an ECs word at face value regardless of what evidence to the contrary a user has posted and reacting accordingly as a group. That whole "hivemind" shit.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

I don't think the comment was ban-worthy, but it was hinting at some sort of power struggle rather than the real reason we have these titles. It's not the first time I've seen this accusation, so I wanted to address it. And yes, I probably over-addressed it to him, but my post was more directed at the community rather than just him.

[–]Thetmeister051 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Well I just re-read that and I will say you're probably not wrong. I definitely misread the first part of his statement.

It definitely seemed like you over-addressed it but I get that you're making a point. I will say that for the most part, none of the shitposts ever make it to my front page so you guys are definitely doing something right. I really hope you banned the ones complaining about calling each other idiots because I've met toddlers more masculine than them...

[–]TheMGhandi0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If anyone could teach stupid, he'd be rich. Good luck trying rps. Most of them prefer to remain in bliss and who can blame them?

[–]DarkuSchneider0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I appreciate the mods effort for maintaining TRP Reddit's integrity, never an easy job. Cheers brothers!

[–]Battle-Scars-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

'Tis better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.

-Abraham Lincoln-

[–]KnG_Kong2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

No question is a dumb question. To achieve a better understanding.

[–]Interversity0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The quote isn't about asking questions, it's about making statements or claims. Who is going to tell you never to ask questions?

[–]KnG_Kong-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

Summary: TRP is a information resource, and about promoting discussion ?

[–]panopticake-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

I enjoy these "lurk moar faggets"-type posts. Aside from being good advice, it lets you vet us at the same time.

Advice on one issue and a practical demonstration from the toolbox to boot.

[–]fingerthemoon-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Fuck you and your morality. Go shove it up your dirty cunts you little bitches. Go read Illimitablemen's blog about the Dark Triad and maybe you'll learn a thing or two about morality-amorality-immorality.



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