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Looks Don't Matter (or: Why women consider game "manipulation.")

by CrackityDiggity | February 27, 2016 | TheRedPill

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(EDIT 2 [Feb. 29/15]: Yes, looks do matter, just not to the extent that a lot of guys think they do. Male looks don't matter to women the same way female looks matter to men. The title was hyperbolic. The point of this post is only that behavior matters more than looks. Behavior also matters more than wealth, social status, and physical fitness. A wise man looking to maximize his SMV will always do whatever he can to improve all of the above.)

TLDR: Women are hard-wired to be attracted to an alpha male's genetics. The number one thing you can do to signal alpha genes is displaying alpha behavior (having good game). While improving your looks, wealth, and fitness is worthwhile, it pales in comparison to improving your game. Deep down, women feel game is "manipulative" because you're only simulating the behavior of someone with alpha genetics, unlike naturals who (probably) really do have the genetics women want. But don't feel bad - game is no more manipulative than make-up, fake tits and hair extensions, so go right ahead.

I've noticed that when feminists criticize pick-up artists like Julien Blanc, you frequently hear the word "manipulation" being used to describe his tactics. Yet if you look at the hours of footage available of him conducting pick-ups, you'll find nothing especially devious or conniving. So why do they choose this word?

As everyone around here already knows, women are biologically hard-wired to respond to certain behaviors which indicate the presence of alpha genes... dominance, assertiveness, confidence, decisiveness. What successful pick-up artists show is that if you can demonstrate these traits you can very quickly turn women on and provoke attraction.

So why is this manipulation? Another thing we already know: women always tell men to "be themselves" because on an innate level women don't want to see men misrepresenting themselves. It's why toupees or shoe lifts will never be sexy, it's why women resent deliberate attempts at self-improvement, and even why they like a good physique but don't really like a guy who spends hours in the gym obsessed with his looks. They want you to just "naturally" be an alpha. And when you artificially demonstrate alpha traits you're falsely advertising your own genes.

Our SMVs are mostly the product of our genetics. We're all dealt different genetic hands, but just like in poker, there are ways that you can bluff. Women can bluff with hair, make-up, shape-wear, high heels, eye-catching clothing, plastic surgery, etc. And that's of course because men are primarily visually oriented with our attraction and look for outward signs of youth and beauty.

And of course men can bluff visually, too. Lifting weights is a great way because even if you weren't born strong or athletic, by developing your muscularity and reducing your body-fat you can appear stronger and faster than you really are. I've been lifting for 6 years now. While I've gotten consistently stronger throughout and I'm still hitting PRs to this day, my strength has always been below average. Nevertheless, people tend to assume I'm a lot more athletic than I really am simply because I'm obviously in good shape.

And of course there's dressing well, personal grooming, eating a healthy diet, etc. Plenty of ways a man can improve his looks. But it's important to remember that women aren't as visually oriented as men are, and for them looks are a largely secondary concern.

And of course, many cynical men would say women's primary concern is money, but that's totally false. Plenty of good-looking and rich beta males in the world who get treated like the providers they are and receive very little sex in return and wind up divorce-raped.

No, all these superficial qualities are secondary when it comes to generating attraction from women. It's BEHAVIOR that women's mating instincts are wired to be ultra-sensitive to. BEHAVIOR is the primary criterion by which she will (unconsciously, I might add) designate you an alpha fuck or a beta buck.

Nevertheless, women don't want you to LEARN to behave in an attractive manner. And why would they? Simulating the behavior of someone with alpha genetics is not the same thing as actually having alpha genetics.

Okay, you might ask: why behavior? Why is that the number one criterion? Why not looks? Well put yourself in the shoes of a primitive woman in a hunter-gatherer tribe. Hypothetically, you've two options here:

  • Option 1: Looks like Chad. Tall, muscular, young, chiseled jawline, big cock, low-body fat, 10/10 appearance. Behaves like: emotional, sensitive, submissive runs from danger, doesn't like to hunt, doesn't like to fight with other men.
  • Option 2: Looks like George from Seinfeld. Short, bald, older, out of shape, hairy, ugly. Behaves like: dominant, aggressive, loves to fight, loves to hunt, runs into danger.

Which one do YOU think women are more likely to fuck? Or a better question: if one woman goes for option 1 and one woman goes for option 2, which one do you think is going to survive long enough to successfully reproduce and raise successful offspring? (Hint: it ain't Chad.)

You can be a rich model but if you act like a pussy you'll get treated like one. That's why game is so critically important. Of all the ways you can improve yourself as a man, the number one most important avenue for self important is, always has been, and always will be, improving your interactions with women. Nothing will yield more fruitful results for your future as a male human being on planet Earth.

So you're in monk mode? You're MGTOW? Girls aren't your priority? Don't kid yourself. If you're a heterosexual male it is your biological imperative to survive and reproduce. Most men are obsessed with sex from the moment they hit puberty through the rest of their lives. I'm not saying you have to have kids, I'm not saying you have to sleep with a million women, nor am I saying you have to commit to one of them. But understand that, as a man, the number one thing you can do to control the circumstances of your life - besides food, shelter and safety - is to increase your sexual power with women; to have sex when you want, with whom you want, with women who want you. How you use that power is up to you, but don't try to pretend you're above it. Unless you're non-heterosexual or your sex drive is low due to illness or low testosterone, you can never transcend your desire for sex. It's so deeply ingrained in who you are as a living organism on this planet, never mind just a human being, it's such a critical part of your identity that attempting to suppress it entirely will lead to disastrous psychological consequences. Just look at how fucked up REAL monks, priests, nuns and other people who attempt to be celibate become.

Anyway, look. Karen Straughan put it this way. "If men use power to get sex, and women use power to get sex, which is the more power hungry?" TV's Dr. Frasier Crane (Cheers, Frasier) put it this way: "Women use sex to get what they want. Men can't use sex to get what we want because sex IS what we want."

Keep that in mind when you're making your improvements: as you go to the gym, as you improve how you dress or your haircut, as you accumulate wealth, knowledge and power, as you increase your social status and improve your social skills, as you approach women and develop better game, as you develop an abundance mentality. Trying to say that these improvements are "for you" and not "for women" is kind of kidding yourself, the same way women kid themselves into believing the reason they hit the gym in skin tight leggings and an eye-catching neon sports bra to do kick-backs in a room full of men, or the reason they go to the club in a skimpy dress and piles of make-up is "for her" and not "for men."

I'm not trying to say pussy's everything in life or that it's the be-all-end-all of existence, but keep in mind that you are currently inhabiting a primate body, and your desires for things like food and sex are not going away any time soon. One thing I've observed that TRP and the manosphere tend to be rather indecisive about is how much women matter: everything from the classic PUA 'women are the ONLY thing that matters' to the MGTOW 'women don't matter at ALL.'

Look, you can go vegan all you want but don't try to pretend that bacon doesn't smell good. You can go into monk mode or MGTOW or whatever all you want, but don't try to tell me it isn't all you can think about when that beauty with the perfect ass walks right in front of you, don't even try to pretend it doesn't stir your entire being as a man. It's how you're wired.

Alpha behavior will always be the best way to signal alpha genetics; not wealth, height, fitness, strength, facial aesthetics. All of that means jack shit if you act like a pussy-whipped provider. It truly does.

If you want a better sex life, if you want hotter sex with hotter women, if you want a variety of women in your life, if you want to experience true abundance and have the confidence to hard next a girl who isn't treating you right, then hear me: the number one thing you need to do is improve your ability to interact with women in a way that will generate attraction. The number one thing you need to do LEARN GAME.

Now get out there and manipulate those hoes. Let's have a great weekend.

(EDIT 1: Oh, and don't think because you have to force alpha behavior means you're a genetic beta male. It may very well be that your naturally alpha inclinations were suppressed by your modern Western up-bringing. If you never had a strong (read: alpha) male role model growing up, this could be you. You may find that dominance and decisiveness really is "being yourself.")


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Title Looks Don't Matter (or: Why women consider game "manipulation.")
Author CrackityDiggity
Upvotes 45
Comments 89
Date 27 February 2016 01:59 AM UTC (4 years ago)
Subreddit TheRedPill
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/56593
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[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon30 points31 points  (4 children) | Copy

The more I learn about women, the more I realise how guilty they are of all the things they accuse men of being.

[–]1theoctopuss19 points20 points  (1 child) | Copy

It's called projection. Because women (blue pill men, as well) think in a certain way, they believe everyone around them also thinks in the same manner.

[–]Senior ContributorNightwingTRP7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is massively undervoted. I am starting to truly believe that anything women complain about men is something they are far more guilty of, than men have ever been or ever will be.

[–]1Entropy-71 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Women are far more promiscuous and commitment-phobic than men these days. That was the biggest dis for several decades: men don't want to settle down. But nowadays, of course we don't want to settle down with a carousel-riding whore in their 30s.

[–]sexmachine9000 46 points46 points [recovered] | Copy

While improving your looks, wealth, and fitness is worthwhile, it pales in comparison to improving your game

Lol, no way. A handsome wealthy man with a personality of a block of wood will always be consistent in fucking HB 8+ while it will be a hit and miss for a dude that has "game" as his primary attribute.

You can be a rich model but if you act like a pussy you'll get treated like one.

The problem with your theory is that it assumes wealth and good looks don't give you confidence. I have never met a handsome and rich dude who isn't confident with himself.

This post reeks of PUAs refusing to accept the harsh reality that the combination of looks and money is unbeatable.

[–]marty2k5 points6 points  (25 children) | Copy

I've met plenty of what I consider very attractive men with money that just suck with women. They get a few underhand, but mostly they get lots of women making moves and approaching, but aren't able to translate them into lays. You see it a lot with guys who were late bloomers or had really strict parents.

Looks and money make it really easy to have the confidence and social proof to succeed with women. But if all you have is looks and money, you won't get the type of women you deserve. Frame is number one, bar none.

Also, with money, you really know how to play the game to not get thrown in the BB zone. I've had rich friends bring home girls who are totally down to fuck until they see their awesome place. Then they suddenly aren't that type of girl and need at least a few good steak dinners until they put out.

[–]CrackityDiggity[S] 5 points6 points  (17 children) | Copy

Late bloomer here. Can confirm. Despite being 6'2" and relatively good looking, I was 100+ pounds overweight for most of my youth. It took me years to get in great shape, and in all honest, at first it only made things worse. "I'm tall, in shape, good looking, popular and successful, why are girls not throwing themselves at me?" I thought I was above the process. I thought I could wait for girls to come to me and that I didn't have to display alpha traits. The cold hard slap of reality hit me in the face when it dawned on me that I banged hotter women (and more of them) as an overconfident fat guy than an insecure guy with abs.

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[–]DforDeadpool2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy

"I'm tall, in shape, good looking, popular and successful, why are girls not throwing themselves at me?" I thought I was above the process.

I call bullshit. If you're really tall, in shape, good looking, popular, and successful, its almost impossible not to get laid. Unless of course you were overestimating yourself.

This. I did that too. I'm also a late bloomer and I used to be very fat and ugly. In my college years I wasn't fat but I was really out of shape and just because I had a good face now, I assumed women would throw themselves at me. But I thought I looked good, even though I had a shit body and shit style. My hair, my outfits.. Ugh. Reminds me I have to go shopping more often.

Anyway, then I've seen basically I had shit SMV. I got rejected by a chubby HB7 (great tits) who I had feelings for. She treated me like I was shit. So after that I turned redpill. Red-ish. Because I've found PUA. At first it started all good and innocent, I wasn't aware of that it poisoned me with its harmful ideas. Then I thought "Yeah, looking at it I had everything, I was handsome, I had money, I was cool and I had cool interests but women didn't like me. Must be because of my game!". It is hamstering. It's male PUA hamster at overdrive. Guy above you needs to admit that he was neither handsome nor cool, but he is brainwashed by PUA cult-like mindset to get connected to that reality. I am my own man and this is my Way of Alpha. No PUAtard tells me what to do and how I do. I do it my way and I do my best. I never beat myself about not approaching, because if I want that girl I go and talk to her. I never beat myself about "not having good enough game" because I know SMV is a thing and no amount of game would compensate for that. Annoying balding gingers and Kool-Aid drinking social robots can go eat a dick. Unplug from the PUA-pill.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

bo-hoo, didn't get what they were talking about, please stay away

lol

Annoying balding gingers

You know that TRP exists mainly thanks to that annoying ginger, right? He was the first who thought about alphas and betas in modern social dynamics, 13+ years ago, when people were still going around using hypnotic patterns to seduce women.

[–]DforDeadpool0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

didn't get what they were talking about

Except I myself bought products, went to events back in the day.

You know that TRP exists mainly thanks to that annoying ginger, right?

That's what he actually says? Owen's game is on point again. Lmao. When you decide to read something which is not directly or indirectly linked to getting pussy, you can see that alpha-beta concept is an evolutionary biology concept and it was there before RSD. What he did was to introduce to concept into the world of PUA. All good except their only way to becoming an alpha is approaching. Because "looks doesn't matter", right? What is it, being a special snowflake for men?

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

That's what he actually says?

I don't know. But he was the one that tested the theory in field and showed it is not only some textbook crap but it actually works, with actual persons (both male and female). If TRP exists today, and his theories have some real foundations and are not only mental gymnastics, he deserves some credit, like all the other PUAs who did years of trial and error with actual women.

What he did was to introduce to concept into the world of PUA.

That is what I said.

All good except their only way to becoming an alpha is approaching.

This is what I mean when I said you didn't get the stuff. I am not criticizing you, I didn't get this until after I got into my current LTR and took a break from PUA stuff. But really? The key to be alpha is approaching? I don't know where you found that shit and I don't want to know.

Alphas have been dissected and tested in field so much that they aren't a secret anymore. They have been studied so much they have been trimmed down to the essential core and muted into a formula. There has been so much talk in forums and tests in fields that every single break through post in this sub is like an echo of stuff that was written, tested and digested years ago.

People like you think that PUAs approached all the time because they were needy and wanted to get women's approval, while in reality they were hungry for knowledge, understanding what happens in these social dynamics. Finding what ACTUALLY works in field, with real women, and not only behind a keyboard.

And then you see posts like this, that being rich and good looking are the key to the game, and I can't help roll my eyes and just say "please, not again".

[–]DforDeadpool0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

The key to be alpha is approaching? I don't know where you found that shit and I don't want to know.

I didn't say it, just said that all PUAs promote that thought. Either you really don't know how to read or you're trying to look me stupid by intentionally distorting my words. Either way go fuck yourself.

PUAs just scam nerds into buying their stuff by promising them a fantasy. Fantasy which is all you need to do is getting your game together as a regular Barry then you can never worry about getting laid anymore. No self-improvement. In reality it doesn't work of course. I've seen it on many people. Game without SMV is just (street) harassment before the eyes of women. Or, just cute. With high SMV you'll need less game because people are inclined to think good of people they like. If you make that pussy wet just by being around, she'll hamster real quick into sleeping with you. That's it. What's wrong with PUA is, it's either they don't know about this fact about SMV which makes them as ignorant as women when it comes to human sexuality, or worse. I personally think it's the worse case. Which is the fact that they delude people into giving them more money. They always say "looks doesn't matter, money is not important, muscles are useless" and etcetera. But look at them, how they take care of themselves and how they carry themselves. Take RSD. Dudes dress like they're fucking models even though they lack in other departments. "Look at me, I'm a creepy shit-bearded midget and women love me!". Dude, for starters your face is pretty decent, you're fit, you're rocking some European model style. But they never talk about how important SMV is and they always talk game, game, game. Why? If you delude people into thinking success with women equals game, they'll never be successful. They'll buy more products. They'll be their faithful sheep. No matter how you sugarcoat it chasing women for hours every day is just pathetic and that's all.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Calm down, it was not my intention to make anyone look stupid.

You've had a bad experience with PUA stuff, and you are more comfortable with TRP, maybe because it is free, maybe because you found out it works, whatever floats your boat. I can understand that. I wanted to give a new point of view but you seem stuck with your ideas so let's just agree to disagree and end it here.

[–]CrackityDiggity[S] 1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy

How the hell could the same person be more confident when he was fatter?

Because confidence comes from within. Still haven't learned that? I feel sorry for you.

[–]sexmachine9000 3 points3 points [recovered] | Copy

So having abs suddenly made you insecure? Lol, what a joke

[–]CrackityDiggity[S] -1 points0 points  (6 children) | Copy

Think of it this way: I put literally thousands of hours of hard work into getting abs with the expectation that, once I achieved them, I could simply sit around and pussy would fall into my lap. That I could show up at the bar and girls would just throw themselves at me while I stand expressionless by the bar, beer clutched to my chest. How do you think I felt when expectations didn't meet reality? How do you think I felt when I saw chubby, short or ugly guys getting the girl instead of me because of my weak ass clingy/needy beta game?

Take it from me, "sexmachine9000." I learned this lesson the hard way so that you don't have to. Ignore it at your own peril.

[–]sexmachine9000 0 points0 points [recovered] | Copy

Yeah, keep telling yourself that. The reason you probably didn't get laid even though you had abs is because you are not good-looking nor rich.

And btw, being 6'2 and fit does not automatically make you good looking, your facial aesthetics also has to hold its own.

[–]CrackityDiggity[S] 6 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy

You keep telling yourself the reason you never get laid is because you're not rich or good looking enough and not because you don't have the balls to go after girls.

I got laid as a fat guy and I got laid as a fit guy, but no matter what my financial or aesthetic situation was, I never got any by being too scared to hit on pretty girls with confidence and assertiveness and by telling myself that looks and money are all that matters.

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[–]Frenchwinepimp0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Same here(6'2"). It sucks that it took so long and so many failed LTR's for me to realize this. I thought I could let them chase me...it doesn't work that way

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[–]marty2k1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I agree. But again, the thing that is usually getting these men the alpha fucks is the confidence and social proof, not just the looks and money. The looks and money set them up for those other characteristics to shine.

It's easier to act like an alpha who gets crazy amounts of pussy when you look like an alpha who gets crazy amounts of pussy. If you grow up being hot and rich, you early on get lots of girls interested in you in your early years when your self identity is forming. It's natural to grow into an alpha because that is how you're naturally treated. But the same would happen to someone like a child celebrity who may not be handsome, but has that validation from girls pouring in. If you become hot after your self identity is formed, you'll have a much harder time becoming alpha.

What I and the OP are arguing is that the way a man acts and his personality are sperate from their looks and can get laid without those. Having those are major enhancers to your alpha personality, but without that you won't have nearly the same success.

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[–]marty2k0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

You cannot "pretend" to be alpha. If anyone tells you this they are a fucking liar. You can maybe fool a few really dumb or naive girls, and maybe a few girls will like you enough to put up with the act, but you can not pretend to be more confident, more attractive, and have more social proof successfully in the long run. This is why many early PUAs got laid, but couldn't hold any sort of relationship. The women saw through the act and treated them like betas.

What you can do is become more physically attractive (work out, dress well, haircut, etc), develop your confidence and swagger, and get more experience with women. That's how you actually become alpha.

[–]J_AsapGem3 points4 points  (10 children) | Copy

I think what he meant was an ugly guy with high social status would normal triumph over a rich handsome guy, social proof is very important for women

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[–]J_AsapGem0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

agree with most of what you said, except a charismatic ugly person or should i say average doesn't need to be rich to have higher preselection than the rich guy. I have a friend he's a natural, charismatic guy great with people, he isn't really wealthy but he gets tons of pussy, he's average looking, So once again a charismatic average person with game can still go a long way

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[–]bokehnikon-2 points-1 points  (5 children) | Copy

Women will choose the rich handsome guy

Ah, but choose for WHAT? For marriage and eventual divorce rape? Meanwhile the "ugly guy" gets to have a quick fling no strings attached.

[–]J_AsapGem0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

don't understand the downvotes this is facts. hence AF/BB.

[–]CrackityDiggity[S] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

These guys would rather blame it all on things they can't control than accept the fact that their lack of pussy is their responsibility, and has more to do with their lack of balls than money or good looks

[–]J_AsapGem1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

with all the research that TRP has discovered it's safe to say that it's nature, women will always seek out the primal male for mating reasons from natural instinct. It's nature, regardless if he's ugly or not a highly confident puffed up guy will always win, women seek out the best genes for reproduction unconsciously, they may have misinterpreted what i'm trying to say, a wealthy man is still very desirable and will get pussy, but they will seek out the guy with " natural alpha " behavior before that rich guy for mating reasons.

[–]bokehnikon-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

A handsome wealthy man with a personality of a block of wood

"Personality of block of wood" could be interpreted as cold aloofness and hence "alpha." If the man's wealth was self-made, he probably had alpha traits that led to his monetary success.

[–]StallionLifestyle7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

Everything matters. If your out of shape and have never touched a weight in your life it doesn't matter how "alpha" your behavior is. If your a good looking guy but act like a pussy ass bitch, then you wont get anything either. If you want to get the hottest women you need to address both these factors.

And to be completely honest with you, acting alpha comes down to conveying to women that you will pound that pussy so fucking hard she will remember the feeling for the rest of her life. She will remember the difficulty she has walking the next day...

Sexual bad boy vibe (I will fuck you good) + Look Good + Talk to lots of girls = sleeping with lots of hot girls.

I hope this helps you guys out.

[–]ITHOUGHTYOUMENTWEAST9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

Julien's game is very interesting and I borrow heavily from him. Basically he matches the energy around him. He uses commands and direct communication to overpower the woman's senses, they have no choice but to become attracted to his extreme outward confidence. He'll tell them to do really hilarious stuff if he knows they are very attracted to him. Worth a watch for sure.

[–]tgeda201520 points21 points  (4 children) | Copy

tuned out when this kid started talking that typical PUA crap like sex is the end of be all of a mans life. Your overvaluation of sex is probably why you arent getting any.

That is your false consensus bias talking. Believe it or not a good portion of males do not value sex nearly as much as you do. And that doesn't mean they are lying to themselves or something is wrong with them; its just natural human variance. Learn what a fucking bell curve is and stop trying to spray paint the blue pill red. The #1 tool of misandry, male subservience and stupidity is overvaluation of sex. When you want something too much it will be used to exploit you.

You don't know anything about being an alpha, don't mistake your fake PUA crap for the real deal. The most successful pimps are the ones who don't sleep with their bitches.

[–]DforDeadpool0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Learn what a fucking bell curve is and stop trying to spray paint the blue pill red.

Stop trying to paint blue pill red. I liked that expression. Because that's what PUA is. It's a phase though and people should pass through it to be more mature. Wisdom does not only lie in knowing the truth, it lies in knowing what is a lie. And scam, for PUA case. You need to swallow the red pill, not watching some faggots yelling "APPROACH!" and scamming nerds.

[–]CrackityDiggity[S] -4 points-3 points  (2 children) | Copy

I'm not trying to say pussy's everything in life or that it's the be-all-end-all of existence.

What was that you were saying about tuning out? PS what are you so mad for?

[–]tgeda201511 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

Disclaimers don't preclude your actual message. If I said the sky was not blue and then went on to describe how blue the sky was it wouldn't mean shit.

And this is a digital conversation there is no such thing as anger. I could be a 12 year old girl in china laughing her ass off.

[–]tgeda20157 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Women use sex to get what they want and men cant use sex to get what we want because we have flooded the market. That is the simple fact of the matter that flies way over your stupid ass head.

All humans want sex, men just have no strategy. Most men are too available, throwing all their chips on the table- this lowers the value of what they offer. On the other hand, women understand that by deferring gratification they increase their power. The main reason for this is because women have a higher emotional IQ.

Make no mistake, this caveman "man must get laid at all costs" mentality is the cornerstone of the blue pill.

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Option 1: Looks like Chad. Tall, muscular, young, chiseled jawline, big cock, low-body fat, 10/10 appearance. Behaves like: emotional, sensitive, submissive runs from danger, doesn't like to hunt, doesn't like to fight with other men.

Have you met that man? I don't think he exists.

If he did, women would still be attracted to him.

Haven't you seen that thread on, what was it, body building forum? Where a guy uses pictures of a 10/10 looking "Chad" and acts wimpy and women still fall all over him.

Read its. It's amusing

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=165905221

[–]CrackityDiggity[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Have I met that man? Not exactly, but we're talking about a hypothetical extreme here used for the sake of example. I have met plenty of conventionally good-looking, successful men whose beta tendencies lead to dead bedrooms with their (often unfaithful) LTRs.

It's important to remember that online dating is only a virtual simulation of how mate pairing occurs organically. Here, women tend to be a lot more visually oriented because things like body language, eye contact, tone of voice aren't easily conveyed. This is why women tend to be a LOT pickier about looks online than they would any other environment.

Just using online dating at all is a DLV to women, since they will assume you can't get any in real life and need to come online for it - this doesn't necessarily make sense, but women make this judgment emotionally and not rationally.

One of the only ways to compensate for this is to be so ridiculously good-looking that it's obvious you don't actually need to be online to get pussy. For the very best looking (top 10-20%) of men, their looks alone are enough to signal that they've been pre-selected; but make no mistake, it's more so the pre-selection and not so much the looks per se which generate the attraction. I'm not saying looks don't matter to women, but they don't matter as fundamentally as they do to men.

This is related to why women will tolerate far more beta behavior from a taller, better-looking, more successful guy than they will from a dweeb. The lower SMV male must demonstrate his alpha genes with even more bravado if he expects to win the girl; more dominance, more assertiveness, more confidence, more decisiveness. Think of it like actors auditioning for movies -- if you look like Brad Pitt, you don't have to act as well as someone like Steve Buscemi to succeed in Hollywood. It's the same with women -- if you look like Brad Pitt, you don't have to behave as 'alpha' as Steve Buscemi to score chicks either.

Just make no mistake. These great looks may be enough to score you more opportunities with women, but as far as spinning plates and maintaining LTRs go, if you act beta enough for long enough she will, at best, gradually lose interest and reward you with less frequent and less exciting (and quite possibly less fidelity), or at worst, simply give up on you and start fucking a man who, despite not looking as good as you, acts like an alpha. Analogy: great-looking actors get more auditions, and sometimes they score great parts even if they suck, but if they're truly bad actors, their prospects as a movie star will soon dry up.

Don't get caught up in menvy.

[–]Redpill_Hannibal1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I like your post. I would say that you shouldn't separate game from looks and money. Nice body can influence your game, your game can influence your career, career (or money) can influence your body.

I would say that "the game" isn't game at all. Being funny, being assertive and dominant is just being... yourself. Being a man. Women can consider it cheating because they saw a weak version of you earlier (like a nice guy), and the present you don't match the past.

[–]5t3fan01 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

naturally alpha inclinations were suppressed by your modern Western up-bringing

considering that our genes ("our" as in mankind) from tens of thousands of years (in a way even millions) of preselection and alpha-breeding, started waaay before the invention of fire and written language, shouldn't this be the truth for most of us?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Oh, looks matter a lot. Looks will get you farther in life than "game." It's a joke when you think about it.

[–]aherne18[🍰] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Saying looks don't matter is male version of hamstering. It's like woman's classic: "you are the second guy!". Repeating it over and over won't make it any more real. Our point is to accept reality and do something about it (= learning game) instead of DENIAL in a desperate attempt to caress our wounded egos. No we're not HG10, we're not HG8 even, otherwise chances to dwell on this sub would have been minimal: having no problems from women, being pampered like a king (being, you know, the kind of guy your oneitis/girlfriend/wife would submit in an instance) creates a different perspective to which TRP sounds like frustration-driven talk.

Looks DO matter, much more so than in men. Regarding your quiz, between a chad-face with omega personality and a seinfeld-george-face with alpha personality they will ABSOLUTELY ALWAYS choose the former, at least because it will make other women cry of envy. You can go to gym all day long, but your FACE (which is 90% of what women consider looks) will not be any less crooked.

In my particular case, I have above average face, so I'm getting occasional plates because of it. Trust me, when they want you, they will not rest until they get your cock. Difference between me and a HG9-10 is that latter get this regularly: wherever they go, there is a wave a validation that surrounds them.

Game is the only option for the unattractive man, unless he likes the idea of being a lifetime whore's sponsor.

[–]VCR_Lube0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Height is 60% of looks, face is 40%. A 5'1" guy with the face of John Stamos is still going to be rejected by 95% of women.

[–]aherne18[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Being too short is indeed a disadvantage, but anyone above that limit can safely fuck whoever he wants, as long as he has the right face and/or right game. I had an Italian friend with perfect face, great game, puffy pot belly body, 1.70m maybe. He has AMAZING success on Tinder, literally swims in lubricated pussy...

[–]RPRedhead2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

So, where are the best places on the web to learn game? You say it's very important but don't give any links or other resources.

[–]_the_shape_0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Learn how to "game" everyone around you. Where are the best places to learn game, you ask? Well, everywhere around you. At work, at school, on the train, on an uber ride, in bars, in cafes - everywhere. Wherever there are people, there you will find the opportunity to polish your game.

When I use the word "game", I mean something almost exactly to "learn how to relate to everyone you come into contact with". However, this does not mean "learn how to gain everyone's approval".

Try talking to 100 people. Simply making conversation for the sake of conversation. Look closely for patterns. Be inquisitive. Are most people timid? Are many looking at you strangely when you strike up conversation, or are they welcoming? How many conversations seem abrupt and uncomfortable? How many seem smooth and effortless?

And that right there is how you establish a rock-solid foundation for shaping your game.

[–]J_AsapGem-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

the fundamentals of game is pretty easy, but hard to put in action, but with a little bit of practice we can get there. First thing to do is break the ice and approach, 2nd thing get them comfortable with you talk about familiar stuff you may have in common, kino! touch is very important shows what you're after, then from there just escalate. it's easier on paper but different in person, it's all about being in the moment though, i'm working on myself first before i start approaching, gym and getting healthy.

[–]sir_wankalot_here1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

After all of the BS about what goes on in women's minds. How cares ? It will just make you crazy, OP comes to the really important part of his post that a lot of guys here miss.

Which one do YOU think women are more likely to fuck? Or a better question: if one woman goes for option 1 and one woman goes for option 2, which one do you think is going to survive long enough to successfully reproduce and raise successful offspring? (Hint: it ain't Chad.)

That is why some tattooed freak who is in prison can get 3 female guards preggo and has probably knocked up God knows how many on the outside. He isnt the best looking guy in the prison, he isn't the biggest but he is the meanest.

TRP's advice about weightlifting works because of the psychological changes it causes within you. Most people sit around all day and stick potatoes chips in their face. As a result they lack energy. I would also say that it brings out the masculine side of you.

One thing I've observed that TRP and the manosphere tend to be rather indecisive about is how much women matter: everything from the classic PUA 'women are the ONLY thing that matters' to the MGTOW 'women don't matter at ALL.'

There are guys here of all ages. Myself I am now days borderline MGTOW. I mainly flirt with women as kind of like a game. So I was chatting with this attention whore on FB, you know the standard type. Posts pics of herself skantiky clad just so she can get 100+ likes and 50+ comments of babe you are so gorgeous I love you.

So everytime she would post, I would make some silly comment. She would replay back. She then posted a pic where her panty was showing. I then made a comment like enough of playing games, message me.

Anyway an hour later she messages me. I tell her I don't like playing games. She asks what I want. I tell her she should show me what is under her panty. She then asks me why ? I tell her well so I can see what your pussy looks like.

She then goes on a hamster about how I am a pervert etc. I tell her if pervert means a guy who likes pussy then I must be a pervert. She then hamsters on about how she is not that type of girl, I agree with her.

I then just let the subject line, we make small talk and then every now and then throw in something flirty/sexual. Anyway after chit chatting for half an hour she says she has to go to work but to wait she has something to send me. Anyway it was 5 pics of her pussy.

I am not really interested in her, but it was more a case of see what I can get her to send me.

[–]FamineX1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Sorry but i can't really understand people who are still denying the importance of looks. It is the #1 important thing and there is literally nothing a man can do about it, other than improve in that department. A woman will always choose the most attractive guy of the pack and in 99% of the cases that guy already has an aloof and exciting personality (alpha). There have already been hundreds of threads explaining that an ugly guy trying to put an alpha act on is seen as a creep rather than a real alpha. Would we as guys choose a fat woman with a funny/cool personality? How many cases of such cool fat women are there? Why should a woman decide differently? There are not a lot of girls who would fuck Trump voluntarily, despite him being cool and rich (i don't count fucking for money).

[–]CrackityDiggity[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

You're projecting your male preference for looks onto women but it doesn't work that way. Look, I've stolen women from guys who were better looking than me but had terrible game. I'm also 6'2", fairly good looking and in great shape - you better believe I've lost women to men who were shorter, fatter and uglier than me. Why? Game.

[–]freethinker340 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Men and women aren't the same. Looks do help men a lot, but its true that a good looking beta acting male will lose the girl to a lesser good looking but more alpha male.

You definitely don't want to be ugly, you want to maximize your looks, but women's brains are more responsive to behaviors rather than looks.

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"Option 2: Looks like George from Seinfeld. Short, bald, older, out of shape, hairy, ugly. Behaves like: dominant, aggressive, loves to fight, loves to hunt, runs into danger."

Which one do YOU think women are more likely to fuck? Or a better question: if one woman goes for option 1 and one woman goes for option 2, which one do you think is going to survive long enough to successfully reproduce and raise successful offspring? (Hint: it ain't Chad.)

This mindset is from old programming. There was a time in human history when being with an overly aggressive guy aided a woman's survival, however what may have been effective in neolithic humans may be a reason a guy splits on his kids, is an alcoholic, is in trouble with the law, has a difficult time working with others (and thus staying employed or keeping customers).

The most primal urges a woman has are when she is young (actually this is true with young men as well). The reason why so many young people pick stupid partners is because their primal urges are very strong. There are something like 3 million men in America in Jail or Prison at any given time, the vast majority of those 3 million men have women on the outside who think they are just really hot shit and are total bad asses even if the best that guy could ever afford them is poverty.

[–]T00000094 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

at any given time, the vast majority of those 3 million men have women on the outside who think they are just really hot shit

Until females wake up and realize THIS is the problem, nothing will change. Mate selection in the stone age had a purpose, today... There is no purpose.

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[–]T00000090 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

There is no LTR material out there, and hasn't been for over three decades. you have a system in place that is pushing men down, elevating women, and flooding the market with the third world.

That's not going to end well no matter what metric you pick. It's like forcing bakers to hire plumbers and handing them a list of poisonous ingredients, then under cooking the pie and still expecting a high quality pie to come out of the oven.

[–]Dickwad0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Mate this is fantastic, enjoyed every paragraph of it. Sounds like you might be a disciple of the prophet YaReally, but if you're not you need to check him out.

[–]bokehnikon0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If you're a heterosexual male it is your biological imperative to survive and reproduce.

For 99% of human history a man with game who could have sex with many females WAS fulfilling his biological imperative. Now, with the availability of effective contraceptives and abortion, having sex with as many woman as possible at its best merely satisfies an immediate desire. On the other hand, because of the legal system "success" at impregnating a female just leads to financial liability.

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[–]WingedHussarx0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The pick-up market it's truly full already. The best way is go out and approach women, too much theory will null your brain. I personally like Tyler from RSD, he can guide you through "male polarity".

Maybe download one of his products or watch him on youtube. TRP and him sometimes sound the same, but he got a different philosophy.

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Most things behavioral are strongly nature and nurture. I don't find it useful to consider behaviors coming from alpha genes because it is usually broscience.

Even things like facial aesthetics, height, and intelligence have a nurture component, but just less so. You don't see many people over 6' sired by a man and woman both very short. Nor were Albert Einstein's parents likely to be imbeciles.

From my experiences in life, most "natural alphas" were people with above average height, body shape/size, and facial aesthetics with no brain/emotional development problems (aren't dumb or aspies or bipolar) that were raised in families that encouraged self esteem, assertiveness, achievement, being social, and the like.

Now, you can always say "well they were from those backgrounds because their parents had good genes to give them that nurturing!" I won't say that genes don't influence this, but it just gets into a nonfalsifiable, infinite regress where we could blame everything on some donkey kicking a stone 1,000 years ago.

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"You can be a rich model but if you act like a pussy you'll get treated like one. That's why game standing up for yourself is so critically important..." Fix it for you.

A pussy gets his stuff taken away from him, as it was in hunter gatherer days as it is in modern society. Tools and methods may be different the results are the same

[–]1Entropy-70 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Men use love to get sex, women use sex to get love.

It's "manipulation" because women figure that men should show their hand while they keep all their cards close. It's just your basic double standard at play.

But who really cares? If you actually tell a woman that you are gaming them, then you are a dumbass who deserves to not get laid.

And looks absolutely do matter. You have to play the hand you are dealt in that respect but through fashion, grooming and lifting you can make the most of it.

[–]Rasalom72[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

developing your muscularity and reducing your body-fat you can appear stronger and faster than you really are.

When you do this, you actually are stronger and faster.... when you do this, you actually ARE more muscular.... a better analogy would be if you were wearing a fake chest with padded arms.

[–]Aiadon0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The term "natural alpha" is very ambigous. It's understood by many as genetically favored towards being alpha but the true is that if you take two identical twins and place them in two different families, one with a healthy mentality and alpha examples and another in a bluepill mentality familly with unhealthy leftist education, you would obtain a "natural alpha" and a "helpless omega" yet both have the same genes.

[–]1CoupDeGrace222 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I thought we were past the pua pill 'sigh'

[–]cosine880 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I fundamentally believe 90% of men are wired to slay pussy. We have just been stifled.

Yes, women are attracted to behavior. Women do judge men on looks, but that's more focused on demeanor, facial expression, body expression than actual facial structure.

Uncage that tiger.

[–]freethinker341 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

All men are wired to slay pussy, but 90% of men fail at it. This is a fact. There are stud bulls for a reason. In the animal kingdom, the majority of males are sexual failures, and only the top 20% truly pass on their genes.

[–]Luckyluke230 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

great post man, it really does need a mention to go out more.

don't even try to pretend it doesn't stir your entire being as a man.

I've been grappling with this ever since I was a kid. pretty much from day one, I've pushed these feeling away aside, deep down and just CRUSHED them with every once and moral fiber I have.

only recently have I been trying to understand them.

I've been doing game for awhile ( like 4 years or more) and I STILL have no sexual element to my game. I can't even create sexual tensions.

I feel like I have shamed my sexual disire so much I don't have any, even though, just not faping for 2 weeks ( went no fap for 2 weeks, I have blue balls lol) I can see I have it, it's there, but I can't use it at all.

it's like I have put up so many mental block in my mind just to avoid conflict within myself and other people. i ALWAYS take the safe path, Always. I'm tired of it and I want things to change.

Is there anyway to combat this? is there anything I can do to realize " I'm a man, and men just fuck?"

I think I'm going to make a post on asktrp about it. it's too much of an issue for me right now.

[–]freethinker341 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You have to take calculated risks. Now go out there and embarrass yourself. It takes many failures before you truly succeed.

[–]Lucifer_The_Unclean-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

This post is what this sub needs. There's all these posts about making money and dressing nice but they don't address the fundamentals of TRP.

And if you go around reddit it's amazing how many males say they just want to cuddle and eat food with a girl. Why are they so embarrassed of their sexuality? We're fucking monkeys after all.

[–]NeoreactionSafe-3 points-2 points  (11 children) | Copy

 

Game is not a form of imitation.

 

Game is the knowledge of how emotions work and the ability to manipulate those emotions in others by extroverted action.

SMV has a physical... genetic... component, but there is no direct link between genetics and behavior.

Why is this true?

Because the knowledge of Game means we understand that the Blue Pill is an emotional indoctrination process that is designed to suppress consciousness.

In short... the Blue Pill "dumbs down" the masses.

So wait. Think for a minute.

If there were no modern Blue Pill process (tv, news, hollywood, etc) then men would naturally grow into masculinity. Men would naturally develop Game.

But the Blue Pill not only exists, but it's the strongest Blue Pill ever created in all of human history. At no time in the past were so few global elites able to brainwash and suppress the consciousness of so many at such a low cost in terms of resources.

So Game can be taught and more than anything else when we "Kill the Beta" and destroy the Blue Pill mythology the underlying natural masculine polarity can be awakened.

The Red Pill can permit masculine polarity to emerge and that's all that someone with Game is about.

Game that might have been dormant when under the spell of the Blue Pill comes awake when disciplined in the Red Pill.

It's all about human potential.

 

[–]sir_wankalot_here1 point2 points  (10 children) | Copy

If there were no modern Blue Pill process (tv, news, hollywood, etc) then men would naturally grow into masculinity. Men would naturally develop Game.

From examining modern primative tribes we can get a fairly good idea of how man behaved before he became "civilized". DNA shows that 80% of women reproduced compared to 20% if males. But the question is what happened to the 80% of men who did not reproduce ? Some of them where killed by tribal conflict, but the majority of them by your definition never became men.

In the majority of primitive tribes studied in all parts of the world, this includes North American natives there was an extremely high percentage of homosexuals/transvesitites. So these males would stay back with the rest of the tribe while then men went hunting and act like women.

[–]Cristoff131 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

The numbers of such men probably would have always been low though, like now.

Look it this way though. In any society throughout history most men would have been Beta. That's the way it is. How do we define Alpha? Either the top 20% (or less) of men women are naturally attracted too, or the guys who lead and command other men. Either way you define it, most men can't be Alphas. In your tribal society, most men would still have been Beta, although on average they would have been stronger and tougher than now.

I'm not sure if that 80% of men not reproducing is accurate though. Many more men that women would not have reproduced, but any human society where a man has only a 20% of ever fucking probably wouldn't be too stable.

[–]sir_wankalot_here2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

but any human society where a man has only a 20% of ever fucking probably wouldn't be too stable.

The noble savage is a myth, primitive societies are constantly having petty feuds, internal power struggles and then low level wars with neighboring tribes.

In Europe over a period of 1000+ years we evolved into a system like we have now. Left alone these primitive cultures would naturally adopt Western ideas and there would be fewer problems.

Probably half the problems in Africa are caused by liberal do gooders. They come in there say there should be a democracy and then destroy the present system. Then they are baffled when things end up worse.

[–]NeoreactionSafe0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy

DNA shows that 80% of women reproduced compared to 20% if males. But the question is what happened to the 80% of men who did not reproduce ? Some of them where killed by tribal conflict, but the majority of them by your definition never became men.

And I wonder how they account for natural deaths from diseases?

In older times many people didn't live very long and often half a family might die of some disease before getting to puberty.

So when you take the 80% number that's the females that reproduced.

Since the only way to measure the spread of DNA is by looking at how frequently certain strands exist it's possible the data is not so imbalanced.

But I do think a successful hunter with lot's of meat gets more pussy than the lazy guy that doesn't hunt... so the Beta Hunter was the old standard for Alpha.

Keep in mind that just because they were hunters didn't mean they had Frame and Game though.

The smart Machiavellian guy probably was the chief or high priest that didn't hunt but took a "tax" ("sacred offering to the gods") from the hunt and used it to throw a big celebration.

He then says:

"I am your high priest. I spoke with the gods and asked them for this great hunt. We can thank the gods and our obedience to them for the fact it was a success. Let us now share this feast."

...and the stone age Blue Pill emotional indoctrination was born.

And by the way all the tingles will go to the high priest because he was able to take food without hunting for it and women recognize this type of Game as higher than physical strength.

 

[–]sir_wankalot_here0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

So when you take the 80% number that's the females that reproduced.

...

Since the only way to measure the spread of DNA is by looking at how frequently certain strands exist it's possible the data is not so imbalanced.

Actually a better way to phrase it is 20% of male DNA survived and 80% of female DNA survived.

In feudal Europe there where an exceptionally large amount of female serving women in the Manor Houses of squires. Most likely they where used by the squire as his bedmates. After he got bored of them he would send them back to be peasants.

So in that case, 1 of the kids would be the squires but the rest of the kids would be the kids of what ever peasant she found.

[–]NeoreactionSafe0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

Actually a better way to phrase it is 20% of male DNA survived and 80% of female DNA survived.

How would they figure that out based on DNA alone?

I'm puzzled.

Unless there were accurate records of children being born, but dying or not reproducing how would you figure out all this?

I'm just curious... sometimes we get science these days that when you look closer actually is based on a lot of assumptions that turn out not to be true.

The idea that a full 80% of females even survived to reproduce seems high.

Don't you think?

I'd guess that about 50% of all children died before reproduction (most in the first few years) and then the men would be reduced further by wars and murders, so maybe 20% of the men were alive to mate.

Anyway... would be good to find out about the methodology.

Plus... think of those times when the plague took out 50% of the population in just a few years.

There was no such thing as birth control so women just naturally had 10 children before they reached menopause.

Joke:

"What happens to women at 50?"

"They decide it's time to take a men - o - pause".

...okay, it's a stretch.

 

[–]sir_wankalot_here1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

The key word is "survive". And it is done by comparing the ratio of males that passed on their genes versus females. So by looking at your DNA they can trace back X generations of who your ancestors where. If they find an old bone they can do the same thing.

So case in point is the British Royal family is 1/16 Indian (or something like that). Standard practice was for young men to be sent to the colonies for a few years. One of the male members must have brought back to Britain his Indian mistress.

The question is how did that Indian mistress get into the royal bloodline ? As you said infant mortality was extremely high. So most likely one of the legitimate male heir infants died. The royal family won't want to announce this publically. The Indian mistress happened to have a male infant about the same age, so they did a switchero.

sometimes we get science these days that when you look closer actually is based on a lot of assumptions that turn out not to be true.

Uhuh. With the DNA of the royal family, the fact is they are partially Indian. But the study gets really vague on how did Indian genes get into the Royal family. The only logical explanation is mine.

The other uncomfortable truth is that "culture" can affect biology as much as DNA. This brings out lots of uncomfortable truths and the main reason why I stopped going to DA.

Case in point is an Irishman, Jew or German getting off the boat in USA back in 1900 had a very low IQ. But within 1 generation his kids would catch up. Modern example is Singapore. 30% of the population is Malay who normally have a low IQ. But within Singapore these Malay have the same IQ as Chinese. Singapore has very strict rules on assimilation of new immigrants and adopting Singaporean culture.

Chinese/HK universities are doing extensive studies on how culture affects the brain and thinking process. So they have discovered that the language one uses affects how your brain operates.

So in USA, the logical explanation why Hispanics/Blacks are not catching up is because they are no longer being encouraged to assimilate. From 1900 till 1965, blacks where improving in every conceivable measure, decreasing unemployment, higher wages, decreasing incarceration rates etc.

What happened in 1965 ? Blacks where encouraged to keep their own culture and stop assimilating.

[–]NeoreactionSafe-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy

So most likely one of the legitimate male heir infants died. The royal family won't want to announce this publically. The Indian mistress happened to have a male infant about the same age, so they did a switchero.

Interesting.

I'm still not clear on the methodology.

How can you measure 80% of the females as having passed on DNA?

Seems to me 100% of surviving women who reproduced passed on their DNA and 0% of those that died (or didn't have children) passed on their DNA. With women they get an automatic pass to the future generations if they simply give birth, but for men there is a selection process where a man must first physically survive (disease, murder, war) and also have high enough status to get the opportunity to mate, so his filtering process is higher.

It would not be a surprise that in tribal societies there was a mild surplus of females simply because you could lose half your men in a single battle with a neighboring tribe. Whoever survived (the 20%) got to mate with the females.

And battle was part muscle and a significant part skill.

Look at MMA there are physically strong guys that lose because they lack skills in fighting and that's likely how it was in the past.

Even a bow and arrow was a kind of random thing because a strong warrior might get hit by the stray arrow and die while the weaker warrior lived.

 

[–]sir_wankalot_here0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

How can you measure 80% of the females as having passed on DNA?

20% of them died in child birth, disease, where sterile etc.

[–]NeoreactionSafe1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

But how do you know 63.2% didn't fail to pass on their genes?

I'm just curious about how the research was controlled. Did they make assumptions that may or may not be true.

I was simply trying to understand the way they arrived at these numbers.

Don't forget that the 80% / 20% rule has been implanted into the Red Pill subconscious mind so in a sense we are emotionally indoctrinated to see 80% / 20% everywhere we look.

Doesn't it seem odd that we would use a ratio for Hypergamy AND for female reproduction efficiency?

I'm good at seeing data (used to study financial transactions for fraud) so when numbers pop up that seem "too perfect to be true" I tend to get a Red Flag that goes off that makes me suspicious.

 

[–]sir_wankalot_here0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

There is always a certain amount of uncertainty when it comes to averages/statistics. SP the 80% number should be written as 80% with X% confidence level with an uncertainty of +/- blah.

Maybe it was really 25% males and 75% females. Or maybe it was 10% and 90%.

It doesn't matter 😊

[–]cashmoney_x-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yet makeup and pushup bras is ok.



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