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Strong independent woman: What she really wants

by vengefully_yours | April 15, 2016 | TheRedPill


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Just got this from my main girl. She earns more than I do, is the head of her department, has run her entire life for the last 16 years. This is not prompted, we were talking about how she wants to be dominated, about how I tell her to get naked, then I pick a hole to fuck and the effect it has on her. She was teasing about only liking it to please me.

She sent this, and she has been told to think it's sexist to want a strong man. It's not sexist to accept who you are what you want or are attracted to. It's reality.

When I was with the ex I always felt on edge. And the reason for that is he wasn't doing his job of being a man. He not only leaned on me, he crushed me. It's okay for a man to need a hand and even to be carried -- once in a while. But not always. He just became so fucking lax knowing I would handle EVERYTHING. Consequently, I felt stressed out and found it very difficult to be feminine with him -- since I felt like more of a man than he was.

Your head is already huge, so try not to explode: with you, I can be as soft and feminine as I want to be because you are being "man." This makes me feel good. I like to curl up next to you and rub on you. I feel like a girl. Like I should. Also. I am a sexist pig.

Learn this.

Girls want a real man, someone who can get shit done and handle the problems. They want you to hold her up, be her rock the waves are crashing against, the mighty oak weathering the storm. No matter what they say, this is exactly what they're attracted to. This is what they need, and the more dominating and masculine you can be, the more she will be attracted.

Girls are not comfortable being the one in charge at home, even if they can do it at work like this one. She will dump your ass like this one did her husband years ago, and find a man who handles things competently. The easier you make it look the more at ease she will be.

This is 101 shit. She is one of the very few girls I've known who could put it into words.

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Title Strong independent woman: What she really wants
Author vengefully_yours
Upvotes 241
Comments 95
Date 15 April 2016 06:13 PM UTC (4 years ago)
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[–]TheDonald2k16109 points110 points  (17 children) | Copy

To add on, don't be afraid.

When I was a beta I was always afraid of making women mad at me, or doing something that would be considered "bad" in their eyes which would make them form an opinion of me that I am not a good guy.

Don't do this.

Don't be afraid to say something because you think it might rub her the wrong way, or make her mad, or make you look like an asshole.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours[S] 66 points67 points  (16 children) | Copy

Often I will do something specifically to offend, tease, or anger her. They like that almost as much as dominance.

[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood44 points45 points  (3 children) | Copy

Second this. I commonly do shit intentionally just to rile mine.

Sometimes I make sure they know I'm fucking with them.

Sometimes I'm subtle about it and drag it on till I can't contain the laughter, then they finally catch on.

Whole key is to never be serious about it. Never be butt hurt. You are playing with a child basically.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

I do the same shit. I'm obnoxious as fuck and they love it. Cocky + goofy is a good mix, combined with the right kino.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Can be difficult via text. This one gets hurt by some things. Yeah it's a test, us I crush them.

[–]pcadrian 18 points18 points [recovered] | Copy

The other day my girl was writing a paper, and touched on the subject of slavery. So I say, Slavery is good, slaves helped build society. She was in awe. I continue, I could use a slave to grade quizzes for me, it would make my life so much easier, so I could do more important things like watch TV. She got so mad. It was adorable.

People need to understand that female anger is adorable. Have fun with it.

[–]ChadThundercockII1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy

But you were right. Slavery did build many societies. She should have included it as a footnote or or something. The geek in me is in revolt.

[–]LyricBaritone0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

He was right that slavery was part of building societies, but there are also societies that weren't built on slavery that are also pretty fucking impressive. Saying 'slavery is good' isn't just morally fucked up, it's also extremely small minded and misses the larger truth.

[–]ChadThundercockII0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

I'm not the kind of guy to say this is good or this is bad. Slavery worked and also it is a premise of Hegel's philosophy on how the world turned into this slave machine.

[–]LyricBaritone0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I mean, slavery worked well for southern plantation owners until they got taken away. Then they got fucked financially, when slavery was abolished and they got wrecked in the civil war. And since only the top 5% owned slaves in the first place, a whole shit ton of southerners got wrecked in the civil war for something they didn't even reap the benefits of. So can you really say that it worked for them, in the long term?

[–]ChadThundercockII0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

It didn't work in the long term because the north had to make a fiasco out of it. They basically had the cheapest laborers on the planet at that time. Look at the Roman, the Persians, and even the Egyptians way back. Now, slavery took another face. Slave have choice now, but they still produce for the owner of the plantation.

[–]LyricBaritone0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

"The north had to make a fiasco out of it." This comment betrays the ignorance of your argument. You can't go forward as an advanced, just society when people are openly enslaved. This was a very natural progression, and the fact you think it was "The North" making a fiasco out of it, you're crazy. It's the southerner's faults for not having a viable exit strategy from a slave economy, despite the obvious signs they were going to have to change.

I agree with you that the common working man is a wage slave, but you're right about one thing - because we have a choice of who we work for and what we do, many people don't see or fully understand their enslavement.

[–]CQC311 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'd like to think that is because there are so many pushover guys out there these days that going out of your way to fuck with a girl by being slightly rude or playfully abrasive is a quick way to let the girl know you don't give a fuck about what she thinks, and she'd have it no other way no matter what she says.

One of my favorite things to do is to be a total jackass and feed my comedic impulse for my type of humor, and either a girl will in good nature go with your flow, or you'll get a stiff fish who'll stay deadpan or close to it. The girl who digs it, you already know what to do. The ones who resist, always, ALWAYS chide them for being no fun, make them look socially incompetent or out of place. This is the essence of teasing, negging, being disagreeable, you always by default set the interaction in your frame or reframe just by doing so. This channels all the way down to if she fights you, you always reserve the ability to walk away from whatever type of bond it is and take your amusement elsewhere. Women never want to lose out if they actually value what you bring to any extent.

[–]fitnesspm2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's always good to get a woman's emotions going even if it's negative. Women are emotional creatures and love drama for a reason.

[–]Wel1081 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Agreed. I do this often as well. To make it even better, when they get upset, I call them out on it, making myself the more mature one.

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[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

They are. Here's the difference. I come off as dgaf, I'll say what I want, if you're offended, it's at the very least amusing to me. Few people with half a brain try to intimidate me, so I can say about anything. Most try to shame me, and only in very rare circumstances will I not ridicule them for doing so. Usually its out of respect for parents, higher rank, etc.

If the girl is attracted to you, you can say anything. If you're unattractive to her, stay firm and don't allow yourself to be dragged into her frame, she will either give up and get tingles, or go off the deep end ranting and you can laugh at her or roll your eyes. She is a petulant child, not a respected responsible adult.

If she goes cold, move on and ignore her, or smile and wave cockily next time you make eye contact. Don't let her think you give a fuck or are sorry. If you don't touch or threaten them what can they do? At worst get a white knight to try and kick your ass.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev30 points31 points  (3 children) | Copy

he wasn't doing his job of being a man.

This should be Clue #1 for every Billy Bluepill out there.

I have a female friend who will always be in my posse because if I ever rang her and said "I just cut my girl's head off," she would show up with a hat box of the appropriate size, dispose of the evidence and never speak of it again. She's a real "Ride or Die" bitch.

Anyway, she's older than my preferred demographic and a single mom (widowed), and is well known to have her shit together. So she mentioned to me once that I was the only person in her life that she felt comfortable relinquishing control to, because wherever we were, she never had to worry about "What will I do if this or that happens?" because that was pre-empted by "Vasya will handle everything." So she turns to her son and says, "This is how a man should make a woman feel."

Having a job with a lot of responsibility is also a big indicator of a woman being submissive at home, because she wants to come home and have someone else make all the decisions.

One of the most submissive girls I ever had loved the weekends we spent together because she would never, ever have to make a decision after she walked in the door, until after she left. She was a natural sub, but also had a responsible job, thus, when we were together, all authority was vested in me.

[–]bornredd10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

Among my group of peers in my younger days (my proverbial posse), I was the only one always swimming in pussy. My friends would wonder about it, but the truth is this:

I always was the responsible one. I made sure no one got arrested or killed. I made sure everyone got home safely. I led, they followed, and chicks dug it.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Have you and her fucked before or was it always strictly platonic? And this is the first time I've ever heard of a woman being an actual friend. You think this chick has an extent of loyalty to her?

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Never fucked her. No interest. She's 5'2" and women below 5'9" are invisible to my dick. She's also aged out for me, anyway, as My plates are 20-26 and she just turned 40, plus is a single mom, although widowed, as I noted, so not her fault. Kept her figure, also.

OTOH, she's trained as a doctor, and is incredibly intelligent--sometimes this helps them think more like men than exclusively based on fee-fees--and has come in handy on a number of occasions, and is generally reliable. Very self-aware, also, w.r.t. realizing, in real-time, when she's being overly emotional.

You think this chick has an extent of loyalty to her?

Briffault's Law always applies, although we are often in position to help each other - as I noted, she's trained as a doctor, and, as it happens, her brother is cop. I'm trained as a lawyer - I got her son out of a scrape once, and I have a certain degree of influence over him as an adult male who he respects - he's past the point where he's going to listen to a 5'2", 105lb woman. Anyway, so long as expectations are kept under control, then no worries.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev22 points23 points  (8 children) | Copy

She is one of the very few girls I've known who could put it into words.


Most women are going to expect you to be a man, not ask you to be one, or tell you that's what they need.

This is also why I recommend introducing light bondage into the relationship early on. When she's blindfolded and in a box tie with her legs spread wide on your bed waiting to get railed out, there is zero doubt as to who The Boss is.....

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy

Are most women down for this? How do you introduce it as an idea? I had a ltr who was very kinky but it was the first thing I knew about her so it never was weird to bring it up.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy

Are most women down for this?

Women who like me are. I'm a bruiser who projects confidence. If a girl wants some "Timmy HalfaFag" she goes elsewhere.

How do you introduce it as an idea?

I ask a girl what her fantasy is. Better to ask after you've established a rapport and/or after she's got a couple of drinks in her.

There will be some of that romancey bullshit1 but, down to the 'brass tacks' level there are going to be two big ones: "I wanna do another chick!" and "Tie me up!" I already know this so I come prepared. So not long after a girl reveals her desire to submit, she finds herself blindfolded and tied up in my bed, struggling in my ropes and thrusting her pussy at me because I'm withholding her orgasm. When she's just hitting the Point of No Return, I whisper in her ear "You come for me RIGHT NOW!"

The results are spectacular, and on a mental level it creates the right connection in her mind between the amount of pleasure - i.e. "HOLYFUCKINSHIT!!! - associated to her submission to me.2

You will no doubt find these posts useful:

Uncle Vasya's Guide to Submissive Women


Of Human Bondage – Uncle Vasya’s Guide for Men Who Like To Tie Up Young Ladies.

Happy Slaying.

Uncle Vasya

1 "I want to Make Love outside!" Pro Tip: Never during mosquito season. Or "I want to make love on the beach at sunset!" - Pro Tip: Sand, motherfucker. Sometimes, friction is NOT your friend. Also, when I need to be alone with my thoughts, I go down to the beach at sunset, because there's never anyone there.

2 The power of this cannot be overemphasized. One of my girls admitted to me that she would get wet just from being in the same room with me for 15 minutes. Part of that was her youth, of course, but otherwise, thank you, Dr. Pavlov.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Elaborate on being a bruiser. This is an ultimate goal to find more women interested in being tied up without sifting through the land whales on fetlife and the few attractive girls that get with professional rope tiers and dungeon owners. I like light bondage but don't want to get involved in the bdsm scene too heavily.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Elaborate on being a bruiser.

I'm a tall guy with broad shoulders who looks like he might break legs for a living. /shrugs I didn't ask to be big and strong, I'm simply genetically pre-disposed to it. I never really had to lift for bulk. I lift now because we lose muscle mass as we age, and at 48, I want to still be athletic enough to play co-rec sports and enjoy them, i.e. not suck. As it turns out, being a former stud-athlete carries over, if you don't allow yourself to become "sad water balloon" of a man. Or "man".

This is an ultimate goal to find more women interested in being tied up

Y'know I did give you two links that explain this.


[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours[S] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

I ask them straight up. Ever been tied up? Or I go for innuendo or double entendre that opens the door for her to offer something, or she starts talking about sex unprompted, it's a good chance she is kinky as fuck.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I was scratching under this girls chin like she was a pet and she said,"I'm not into pet play" I thought that might be a sign that she's into something related because why else would pet play pop into her head.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Exactly. They deny but tell you everything they're trying to hide.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

We do rather heavy BDSM.. You're exactly right.

[–][deleted] 35 points36 points  (14 children) | Copy

The reason that the "strong, independent woman" tends to be single is not always because she's unattractive, but simply because she's already more alpha than 90% of the men out there.

Women want to submit to a worthy man, not just anyone. If (for example) she's got a doctorate in a STEM field, she's immediately eliminated the vast majority of men from consideration. Another way to think of this is simply that women don't date down, e.g. if she has a college degree and you don't, you're going to have a very hard time convincing her you're worthwhile.

[–]cheeky--kunt4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

there will be no men left when the society will pedestalize already hypergamous creatures.

[–]cheeky_throwaway1015 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

There will be about 300 men to every 1000 women, and they will share these men amongst each other. The people at the top have probably orchestrated this, whether on purpose or not, this may have just happened through the natural running of things.

But lets face it, a lot of us are about to lose our jobs to robots. Women are great little administrative workers, who drone on, and spend all their expendable income on crap, furthering profits for the top men. If they are ever promoted, they become Pol Pot and become crazy with power, making life hell for any one below them, especially so if they are men. This prevents any men from rising above their station, making it virtually impossible to climb up to the heights that these men are now at.

You can't argue that it's not genius, and if you're in the top 0.5% of men you are literally pissing yourself silly.

[–]landsoul7 points8 points  (5 children) | Copy

women don't date down, e.g. if she has a college degree and you don't, you're going to have a very hard time convincing her you're worthwhile.

I disagree. Women just want a manly man. It doesn't matter if you don't have a degree and she does, or that you don't have a job and she's successful. As long as you don't rely on her success and pursue your own, that's all that matters.

For example, I've been fucking a 26 year old programmer at apple (I'm 21) for a few months now and last time we went out I made her spend the whole day with me in public wearing a skirt and no underwear. She loved every second of it.

[–]dantesrage135 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy

I think there's a difference though between a woman wanting to "date" you and a woman wanting to fuck you. I agree with the statement they don't date down, but they will sure as hell fuck-down.

[–]enigmatic15563 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

What about "Marry down". I know a married couple where the husband is a late 30s, out of shape + ugly teacher who makes $40k and his wife is is an attractive, executive at a Wall Street investment firm making 5x more than he does. She does all the chores, takes care of the house, etc.

He is also very emotional, stressed out and she is the rock. No one can really explain why they are together. I think it's because she focused on her career and by the time she was 30 pickings were slim but it still doesn't make sense as she does EVERYTHING in the relationship. Any decision he makes ends up horribly.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Pretty much everything in life makes more sense if you think about it in terms of probabilities. Your friend is just the outlier on the other side of the bitchy landwhale cheating on her rich, adonis husband.

Women are still people and you can't predict what any individual person will do with 100% confidence.

[–]juliusstreicher0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This. Of all the girls I've dated, only ONE wanted to support me. And, she was HOT. Some were hotter, but, the point is, she was the outlier.

[–]HS-Thompson2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

Against the grain for TRP maybe but I actually love strong independent and career successful women of the type described here and have dated a bunch of them. I honestly feel sorry for them, most guys these days that are as smart and interesting as them are just fucking pussies, they are stuck with the choice between meathead idiots or pasty doughy white collar losers.

I feel like they can be underrated as partners here at TRP, they usually aren't flaky, keep themselves in shape, and aren't looking for a meal ticket. All they want is a guy that will keep up their end of the bargain as well and act like a fucking man so they can act like a woman.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Me too, I'm married to one and I honestly do not regret it. I still have to make sure I maintain frame, dread and all that stuff but it's not hard.

Dread is especially easy for the reason you mentioned, she does have a few friends who are single mostly because men who can out-alpha them are rare. They are very obviously jealous of her and she knows it.

There are just a lot of guys here either in the anger phase or the "holy shit it's easy to bang hot sluts this is AWESOME!" phase. Unfortunately, sluts gonna slut and aren't exactly known for their great conversation skills. This is why the prevailing opinion here is that women are worth no more than the sum of their holes.

But anyway, yeah I feel for them too because they've been lied to as well and are miserable because of wimpy men. They were told they should be happy as a career woman who don't need no man and that's just not true.

[–]Wumpus11 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Its very refreshing to hear this sentiment expressed here on TRP. I am quite a sharp guy and really have utter disdain for most all bar sluts. I really want to be with women who I enjoy hanging out with AFTER we have sex...it really makes all the difference as far as relationship satisfaction is concerned.

Also, who the hell would pick a dumb "first mate" so to speak? I want my partner to be close, at or even above my ability to earn/intelligence/charisma. I will always have emotional control as my trump card to anything they do so intellectual prowess is really a non-issue. Plus it is MUCH more interesting to be with someone you genuinely enjoy being with. Someone who challenges your ideas and encourages growth of even the most complex of topics.

A unicorn sure, but smart men will most definitely attract smart women. I am still young so absolutely not worried I will miss out. I had my fair share of hoes, which only made me really understand what I really want in a woman.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

She had mentioned she can get a soft hands banker who will make it so she never had to do anything but shop, but she can't stand to fuck him. She wants rough hands around her throat, grease embedded in fingerprints, scars, callouses, muscle, and a hard well educated mind.

She wants a tough man who doesn't whine like a girl when he bumps his shin or stubs his toe. She dumped the guy before me who was also ex military because despite being taller and more ripped than I am, he said ow too often.

I think I said it twice around her, and it was more of a surprise than an injury, she has seen me take a major hit and say nothing. I've been run over by cars and gone to work at my physically demanding job that same night, plus I live with chronic pain, it's no big deal. She's never known anyone like me and her grandfather, and that man was half Apache. She wants a man's man.

I don't feel sorry for them, they made their choice, they get to live with it. Intelligent and tough men exist, but these girls need to actually look for us rather than expect us to come to them.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

If she had a PhD then you need to know some shit that will knock her down a few pegs, and in a wide range of areas. Know shit she doesn't and be proficient in it, that's what it takes.

If she makes more money, display that you don't need tons of money because you do the shit rather than pay someone to do it for you. Capable and able gets panties wet.

A big thing with educated girls, WRITE WELL. Use the correct word, have a large vocabulary, spell proficiently, know 4 dollar words that she doesn't. Know the difference between innuendo and double entendre. Don't use dangling participles.

Even if you don't have a degree, you can leave her in awe of your acumen, knowledge, and mental capacity.

I got this one wet because I know how to write... Even if my tablet changes words and drops others from time to time.

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[–]cjsenecal29 points30 points  (12 children) | Copy

This hits too close to fucking home. I dated a woman exactly like this. Career-oriented, highly-motivated, independent, and driven. She's a pharmacist rising up quickly, just got promoted and runs her own store, makes a lot more than me, etc.

Exactly one week ago she dumped me because I was a fucking beta. I didn't dominate her like I should have, I wasn't the man she needed, I didn't give her value. It was only a few days ago that I found this sub and already learned so much.

I wish I had known about TRP weeks ago, I lost an amazing woman because I was a pussy and I wish I could have a second chance with her knowing what I know now.

[–]Rasalom72[🍰] 99 points100 points  (5 children) | Copy

I lost an amazing woman

No you didn't. You lost a woman. She's pretty much the same as all the others... and if she dumped you, how amazing could she have been? I mean she never told you what she wanted from you... she never asked you to be more assertive/ dominant/ whatever... she just let you "be yourself" and then dumped your ass because you weren't giving her tingles.

Fuck that bitch. There are plenty of women out there who are just like her, or better. Now get off the couch and GIVE ME 20! You pussy.

[–]cjsenecal35 points36 points  (1 child) | Copy

Fuck that noise I'll give you 50!

[–]ChadThundercockII2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

He is talking about pull ups.

[–]BrunoOh19 points20 points  (2 children) | Copy

I mean she never told you what she wanted from you... she never asked you to be more assertive/ dominant/ whatever... she just let you "be yourself" and then dumped your ass because you weren't giving her tingles.

And they never will. If anything they'll tell you to be a better beta.

[–]1ToSeeAndToHear4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Some will. My ex told me she wanted me to be more dominant.

The problem was that by doing so in response to that request, it rang hollow to her.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

A woman should never have to tell there man how to be a man. They will resent you for it. You are supposed to 'just get it'.

[–][deleted] 33 points34 points  (1 child) | Copy

Lose the oneitis. You're the prize. She's replaceable.

[–]1PrinceofSpades4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Can't stress this enough. She may have been a better man than you career wise, but there are plenty of women better at being women for you regardless of what they do for a living. Cater to your own needs, and live your own life, /u/cjsenecal

If you need to rant... Well, you're at the right place. We've all been there.

[–]MrGoodStuff057 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

Well it took her leaving you to find TRP. But you're doing pretty good for yourself if you can pull something like that naturally, now with the knowledge you can potentially learn here you'll be able to keep pulling and next time keep them around.

One thing you must remember tho, she's never yours, it's just your turn.

[–]cjsenecal8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

That's what I keep telling myself. If we never broke up I never would've realized I spent 25 years living with the wrong mindset. I don't blame myself for being a beta, it's what I've been taught, luckily for me I've been putting all of my anger and frustration into the gym. Not because she dumped me, but because I was given false information all these years. I will keep learning and I will keep improving, for myself and nobody else.

[–]IAMAwhitecismaleAMA1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Just be fucking glad you even realize what happened and why it happened.

99 percent of the men in western culture "don't understand women." It's even a trope in tv shows. You are the 1 percent, buddy.

Swallowing the red pull is like finally getting the rules to the game. You can actually play now.

[–]mrmeyhemn0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

sometimes you get a second chance and one of two things happen. you tell her to go fuck herself because you've done way better for yourself without her than with her, or you take her back and be the back up betabux after a long line of studs on the carousel have railed her. hint: don't take option 2

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

Rule #1 for fucking career women: The more dominant and high position she is at work (e.g. she's the manager or boss), the more you need to dominate her and make her feel like a silly little girl/dirty slut when she's with you.

Bend her over and spank her, never lose frame, handle shit. I like to think of it as big daddy game. You're the big alpha dominant daddy whos in charge and she's the little girl who needs to have boundaries and be told what to do by daddy.

[–]cheeky--kunt9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy

the problem is that many women get in better position than men by emulating man behavior in work environment. then they bring this behavior into their relationship and wonder why their men are so weak.

"I'm CEO advisor... my man must be more. Why he is not CEO? omg he is so weak when he can' be at least on my position"

The last thing I really think of when coming home from work, is to fight for reins and the constant need to prove myself to someone on daily basis, to over-dominate workplace dominator.

relationships should not be race to grave, but dance to rejoice life.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

relationships should not be race to grave, but dance to rejoice life

And it's up to you to make them such. She won't do it, that's for sure;

[–]MrGoodStuff053 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

I think this sort of comes down to the fact that women don't like to be blamed for anything. They want the man to take all the decisions, in case something goes wrong, it's the man's fault. That's why women will never pick the restaurant where to eat at, because if the food is bad then it's their fault that the food taste bad, since they picked the restaurant.

You can pretty much apply that mentality to everything in a woman.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

That is definitely part of it, but it takes effort to make all the decisions and accomplish everything. Girls aren't wired for that like we are, it's cumbersome at best, and leaves them overwhelmed often. Yeah they can do it, but they don't like to, and part of that is responsibility.

This one appears to not want to pass off her responsibility, and she knows I'm not Captain Saveaho, she made her life, she runs it. When she is with me, I run things, and she can tell from what I do every day that I can handle more shit than most people. That is attractive to any girl.

[–]user_none4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

When I met my ex-wife she said I was her John Galt and never understood the reference due to not reading Atlas Shrugged. She also referred to me as her rock. At the time I thought "Uh, okay." and went on with life. What I didn't know at the time was that she wanted me to be the individualistic person with strength, not only as the face of our marriage, but also the one that could weather her emotions in day to day life, but also anything she'd throw at me. I went beta. Needless to say we divorced.

It wasn't until after that marriage and lots of reflection that it all made sense. C'est la vie.

These days, I give less fucks about most things and when it comes to sex, I take the woman. Consequently, I've had women flat out tell me they love that I do what I want, move them where I want, and get animalistic on them.

[–]disgruntledearthling1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Happens to the best of us - we catch TRP too late to save the marriage. It's a shame.

[–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy

For some heavily damaged people, "being her rock" means providing her the same unstable, pathological environment she had at home.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Yeah, you avoid those girls, give fake names (Hi, I'm Warren) if you fuck them, and never take them home.

[–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

"Hi, I'm Warren", that's a good one, gotta remember that.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It's a Far Side reference. Nanook of the North. TARZAN of the jungle. Warren of the Wasteland.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

It's okay for a man to need a hand and even to be carried -- once in a while. But not always

Actually it's not acceptable to be carried ever. Don't think you can lean on your girl occasionally, you can't.

In my experience in the most dire and difficult circumstances, the best you can hope for from your woman is that she'll shit test you even harder.

This girl is hamstering and trying to make herself look better by suggesting she can carry a man occasionally. She can't. If it ever happened, she'd find herself instantly unattracted and confused and helpless.

She is one of the very few girls I've known who could put it into words.

I don't take what women say as any kind of evidence, even when they agree with what I think. Actually that's the most dangerous.... words that you want to believe are so easy to believe.

I agree with what you're saying, vengefully_yours ....but not because a woman said it.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You're right matty, it's not because she said it. She is the first I've known who had realized what it is.

No matter what, I do not lean on girls to help me with a weakness, move a car, yeah, help with my dogs, definitely. Help me through a rough patch like the death of a loved one, oh fuck no.

[–]DforDeadpool4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

I knew a girl like this. She had a perfect GPA, she was the career-woman type and she had a (do I even need to say jealous) boyfriend. I held my frame strong, I was dominant and outgoing, the funniest part, I wasn't even trying to seduce her. She was insistently hinting that "we should hang out some time". Fucked her in a bar toilet.

Sucks to be the other guy though

[–]paydenbts1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

One thing though, many Strong independent woman only go for the absolute 1% men, and when they realise either there is not enough or they cant compete because they are not all that jazz (being autonomous might be impressive in this economy but for the point here means shit) so they get a real reallity check.. the dude she ends up with better be ready for the shit tests and to stand his ground more than he would have to, this is the tipping point where most Strong independent woman become more beta..which interestingly enough is alligned with their genes, most strong women dont want all that control and independence they just think they do and are ready to give up control

Long story short, majority of women dominant or not just want to be taken care of and to be under (not sexually) a man, dont believe the bullshit.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

She said she went against her usual pattern with me, I sent her a message where I was slightly inebriated and laughing about funny shit I was saying to her. She liked it. However all her shit tests got smashed, didn't fail any of them. On top of that I impressed her with my capability, knowledge, and as she put it, my ability to spell.

Had she wants to be taken care of, she tests those waters monthly. She gets military honesty, where nothing is volunteered. If I had realized this part of it years ago, my life would be very different now. All the loose ends became a strong rope that could restrain a battleship in a hurricane one I saw it set out before me in the sidebar three years ago.

[–]OilyB1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm convinced it's our own responsibility as well, to pick a woman who's one or two sized 'smaller' mentally, psychologically, emotionally and maybe even intellectually. That way we don't have to stand on our toes to achieve an alpha stature compared to her; she will automatically look up. It's important to know what size you are right now and measure her up very early on. If she's the same size as you are, it's just a matter of time, you will be dumped.

One or two sizes smaller than yours.

Also, never share your daily life (too soon)- unless you're sure it's real love - she could discover you're just flesh and blood and again, you'll be dumped.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'd say it's not about 'real man' or 'real women'. It's about not being a puddle. Let's switch genders - picture an extremely crazy girl who is always romanticizing everything and do weird shit and you are god-lord for her. This is also would be not bearable.

[–]resume_0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

It's true, my mom left the guy she was seeing for ten years because of that.

Also, the editing in her text is similar to your writing. I really hope you don't make up shit for karma points.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

How often do I submit stuff vs comments, this stuck out otherwise I'd never have bothered making a thread. Karma is meaningless to me.

It's your mom a latina from Chicago?

[–]resume_0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

No, she's Russian in Sweden

[–]randarrow0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

When I'm meeting women, it always surprised me how mad they got when I asked them what they wanted to waited for them to make up their mind. Some of them flat out would get scared or mad. Nice to see this weird reaction put into feminine terms.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Once you know how it works, it's easy. And it doesn't matter what the fuck you do, simply do something. She will follow.

[–]1PantsonFire12340 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Am I the only one that doesn't have trouble with this but rather with the comfort aspect of things? Being powerful, dominating and in control comes naturally. But how do you comfort, say nice things or keep them from imploding emotionally?

Before my rocky LTR and after discovering TRP women have constantly flaked or imploded on me because I just don't give a damn. I can't get myself to even act slightly like I'm an LTR prospect. Usually I try to humor my way out of comfort tests but this just ain't enough.

Allot of girls need some stupid excuse to be your plate. That one thing that makes them think you have some connection. How do you do that?

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

It depends on what she needs. From a soothing voice telling her in a fatherly way that she isn't utterly worthless to simple cuddling. It can be hard to lay there and not do anything, but I use that time to think about car builds I'm planning. My body language says I'm content, even if it's not her that I'm contented about.

I learned long ago to manipulate people, I'm good at it after all these years. So good is second nature to make people feel good with no effort on my part. Even if I don't give a fuck, they often feel as though I do.

[–]1PantsonFire12340 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It's hard to do nowadays because you're so used to exhibit alpha traits and that beta traits will get you in deep shit. It doesn't even feel natural anymore to comfort her or fake some connection or care.

[–]Wel1080 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy

The hardest truth I've had to swallow, is not only that this is the reality of it all. But, if you stop being this man, you WILL lose her, in whatever form she finds an outlet with.

Then, more importantly than all that, I realized, who cares? There's always another one if she does. We can just hit reset. That's when everything clicked for me. Now, the funny thing is, none want to leave.

Oh Red Pill. Lol

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours[S] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

I have an open door policy, they can leave anytime they want. They only time they are "mine" is when they're naked with me. For that time they're my sex toy, any other time she is free to go, I can get another easy enough.

[–]Wel1080 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

I can get others easy enough as well. To the point that I literally need breaks from them. My issue and I've realized not many men feel this way, is that you just don't have the same connection with all of them. Which makes it hard sometimes to stay in that frame when you do click with one really well. That's the hardest obstacle I'm still trying to conquer.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours[S] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

I avoid connection with all of them. I might like them, enjoy being around them, but I don't allow it to get very deep. Every time I have started to care about some bitch, even if it was a benevolent intent, they have seen it as weakness if I did anything remotely nice for them. Consequently I don't do anything nice for them, and I never give a fuck about them. They're playthings for me.

[–]Wel1080 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

I wonder if maybe you do it too soon? I've noticed when a woman is really really into you and you've established that value in her eyes, you can get away with murder pretty much. The hard part for me is not reverting back and maintaining frame once you feel that way. But i guess a good way to do it is to always just be aloof. It just feels so fake that way, it's terrible.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I stayed distant from the second wife, making her earn it, not allowing her to be equal to me, withholding commitment for 7 years. She was wonderful for those years. Then I made a commitment to her at 8 years, rather than living with her and making her prove that she is not like all the other girls. I gave her health care along with a commitment by marrying her. Only 16 months later we were divorced.

No I'm not giving it up too soon. If I give it up at all for them, they start to wander. If they think for a second that I won't find a different girl and kick her to the curb, they go stupid. If I'm thoughtful and do something benevolent for them, they are less eager to fuck and it can result in them going stupid and fucking some desperate loser. They see it as weakness if I do something for them that they can't do themselves, unless it's opening a jar type shit where it displays I'm stronger than she is.

Every girl I was in a long term relationship with cheated and ended up with someone far below my smv. If I don't do the ltr with them, they stick around and fuck me with an insatiable need. The difference is I know when the bitch cheats, I know when she loses attraction, and I know when to dump them because she fucked up after I was "nice" rather than being me.

All bitches cheat, or would if they could get a hot enough man.

[–]Wel1080 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Hmm. I mean to keep it simple, I think we can all agree that no matter what if there's a lack of dread, they won't be so eager to please. I mean I get that you're just giving a brief story, but I've never experienced something bad happenin after one act of kindness. I've actually done nice things and been heavily rewarded. I just have to remind myself to not revert back to fantasy blue pill land, which I don't know why is so hard for me to do. But I find that as long as I balance it, and keep a general "I'm the fucking man here" mentality, usually goes ok.

Of course this all has to be with a girl that lets herself be put in your frame easily. Key word, easily. Once you have one that had too much resistance, you begin to run into trouble because it's a fucking push pull all the time. Sorry to hear about your divorce

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Eh, bitches are shortsighted and stupid because they have no accountability. I'm better off without the millstone of a girlfriend around my neck. Divorce sucks, but once it's all paid off the freedom is awesome.

[–]blue_dover 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

What did you send her to which she sent you that?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Reread the first paragraph

[–]JohnGalt316-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

women want men to make her squirt

ask how much her ex made her squirt and then measure her pee after sex

if it beats her ex, you are totally dominating her

[–]mrmeyhemn2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

oh look another useless fatass pink haired lesbian pissed off that men are gathering to talk about how to better their selves and attain the affection of hetero/bi sexual women.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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