Welcome to The Red Pill - What are we about?

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Welcome to The Red Pill. I'm going to address exactly what we're doing here, and shed a little light on our focus and motivations.

The Red Pill: Discussion of sexual strategy in a culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men.

The Matrix metaphor might be a bit cheesy but we selected it because of what it represents.

"You take the blue pill, the story ends. You wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill, you stay in Wonderland, and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes.*"


We selected this metaphor because we discovered that there are two realities that most of us are living in. There's the politically correct narrative that we see and hear every day, and then there's the covert reality that govern people's actions and thoughts just below the surface.

That might seem a little conspiratorial, but it's apt when you take a look.

Reality One: The Feminine Imperative

Our politically correct reality is the illusion, a framework of rules, morals, and standards that align with the sexual success of women. It's the reason we have "women and children first" when it comes to saving lives in an emergency, it's the reason why movies and pop culture refer to men who won't commit as commitment-phobes or players, yet women who won't commit are free spirits, and they're realizing/exploring their sexuality. It's the reason we refer to men "getting lucky" when they are able to have sex with a woman.

It's essentially a double standard that serves women. The goal of the feminine imperative is to provide as many options and opportunities for women's sexual strategy, and it does so at the cost of men's sexual strategy, which I will go into a little bit here, but you can read all about it in our sidebar.

Now I want to take a second here to explain that the "feminine imperative" is largely a headless, faceless group of social norms and morals that rose organically due to the nature of the sexes. So before you write this off as a major conspiracy theory, and that we believe there's a cabal of women behind closed doors pulling strings, that's just not what we're talking about.

The reason we experience these gender imbalances isn't due to malice or because we believe women are just evil creatures. They're not. Women are human beings with similar evolutionary drives to men. We experience these imbalances because of the differing costs in reproduction that cost men very little (sperm are cheap and plenty), but they cost women quite a bit (gestation is expensive, takes nine months, eggs are few). The bottom line is, the physical maximum number of children a woman can have is considerably lower than the number of children men can have.

And so culture and gender roles evolve from these truths. Women become the selective gender, men become the selected. Men approach, women are approached. Men ask, women accept or decline.

But in the feminine imperative world- gender imbalances don't exist. In fact, we're told the genders are the same; there is no selective gender, people are all unique and everybody meets somebody the very same way. And you're nuts if you think otherwise. Which puts men at a strict disadvantage if they believe it. If you teach men early enough- as boys- then they will believe it.

We're taught that there is no sexual strategy. The term "sexual strategy" seems like cringey phrase, and if you started speaking in public about this the way I have here today, you'll quickly find yourself ostracized and the focus of a lot of scorn and anger. These are not politically correct things to say.

Reality Two: The Red Pill

As I mentioned, the very act of having this conversation makes you the focus of scorn and ridicule. And this is the first sign that there is a secondary reality.

When you realize that there are certain topics that can't even be discussed, you might wonder whether there's some truth to it. These discussions have earned us all ridicule- from the rest of reddit, from the news media here, or here, from friends and family. It's such a dangerous topic that many here are afraid of being exposed to family, friends, or coworkers, and thus we recommend everybody participating to use a throwaway. Pretty scary... The Red Pill must be wrong, then?

If culture is to be believed, what we discuss here on TheRedPill must be wrong. But if the conclusions are wrong, could we not come to those conclusions ourselves? If we could look at these topics objectively, surely what culture and society tell us would be evident: that there is nothing else below the first reality, that everything is as it appears. So why can't we have that objective conversation?

The feminine imperative does not want us looking at this reality, because when we do, it's much like the red pill in the matrix. You see reality for what it is. We don't conclude that these things may be wrong, but rather we open our eyes to what has been happening our entire lives. And once you take the red pill, there's no going back. You cannot unsee the truth.

The advice of the feminine imperative betrays it's goals, and if you look closely you can see exactly what the real motivations are behind actions. The double standards start revealing the purpose of the convenient lies culture tells us.

"Just be yourself" is a common refrain for advice for struggling singles. But it's this very simple piece of advice that can be used to pierce the veil of our blue pill conditioning. If "being yourself" worked, one might think, then why am I single?

Although it seems almost too simple to base an entire discussion group around this small phrase, it embodies exactly the problem that men today face, and the lie that they are told.

Now, this advice can be given to men and women, but as we understand, women can put forward just a little effort and still be in a position of having to reject unwanted advances. Men, on the other hand, have no such advantage, and must put forward considerable amounts of effort, and in turn, may experience many rejections with a much smaller chance of success.

As I mentioned above, women are the selective gender, men are the selected. In our culture, we learned the politically incorrect answer to this: Since the woman's best strategy to ensure high quality offspring is to reject as many people as they can (also known as having high-standards), a man's best strategy is to approach as many women as he can. Instead of "being yourself," we've learned that in fact- it's our self that is being judged, and it's the largest hindrance to success there is. We must become better to compete in the sexual market.

That means, learning to lift weights, get into shape, eat right, dress well, and learn the social games that women play so that you can become attractive.

I encourage anybody who is visiting to check out our sidebar, start with the "New Here" section, and once completed, read down the "Theory Reading" list.

You may come to your own conclusions about our content. You might come to the conclusion that it's wrong. But that means You came to the conclusion, regardless of what you were told is okay to think about or not. And that's your first step to swallowing the red pill. Analyzing ideas and facts based on their own merit, rather than what is or could be socially acceptable.

This weekend we're having a "theory post weekend" which means new posts are locked. If you have any questions, join us on /r/asktrp, and make sure to subscribe as posting will be open again tomorrow.

Also make sure to join our anti-social-justice-warrior version of Twitter: https://www.trp.red


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Title Welcome to The Red Pill - What are we about?
Author redpillschool
Upvotes 406
Comments 66
Date 24 April 2016 03:19 PM UTC (5 years ago)
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[–]Endorsed ContributorThotwrecker64 points65 points  (1 child) | Copy

The bottom line I think for newcomers (male at least) is this. Is your sex life what you want it to be?

For 99% of you, the honest answer is no. You are a liar if you cannot admit that you'd like to have more frequent sex with more attractive women.

Yes, you may get laid. You may be in good shape and have good social skills already. But can you walk into a party and have a decent chance of pulling that night?

Can you see a girl who's beautiful and walk up to her and start a conversation?

Can you choose to skip the dating / awkward dinner and drinks rituals and actually get to what you want?

Are the quality of your friday / saturday evenings dependent upon whether or not X or Y people text you back and include you on their plans? Are you going through life hoping to get favorable reactions from women you like, and not really knowing how to deal with the (seemingly) random nature of it?

If you're in that boat - then you have ID'd some kind of problem. If you are an average male, then you've identified a deficiency - a deficiency in your sex life.

If you are too prideful or too stubborn to identify that your sex life could use improvement, then fine. Move along.

If you aren't too prideful and you admit that you could use more sexual options and more control over the random meatmarket nature of modern dating, then you have two options.

Option 1, you can decide that while it isn't optimal, you're stuck with what ya got. You're doing OK and others have it worse - you should be satisfied with what you have.

Option 2, you develop a game plan to improve and fix that deficiency. If you're not getting female attention, well, whatcha going to do about it? If you are consistently falling in love with women who only want you as a friend, are you going to change something? Or are you going to just blame them or blame someone or something OTHER than yourself?

What kind of man ID's a problem and then doesn't even WANT to explore the potential fixes?

This is what TRP is about in my mind. Sexual strategy, yes, but before that, ADMITTING to yourself that you are not this big pimp. You're not getting the sex you want without either paying for it steeply in time or money or both. You're not really being a positive leader in your relationship, you're not really doing things that make your wife want to fuck you crazy. You're not really behaving in a way that's going to get you a sexually fulfilled life, you're not really in control of your dating life.

If you're a newcomer and you can realize that, then all that remains is deciding, well, whatcha going to do about it?

Now ask yourself again - Are you deeply and truly satisfied with your sex life?

[–]rpreader12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

Let's go even further; Are you the man you want to be? Are there people you meet that you wish you could be like? Are you satisfied with who you are? Because I'll tell you who I was, and who i never want to be.

That guy who hangs around but is kind of awkward and tries to be a presence in conversations but has trouble being calm.

That guy who goes to a party and has to be introduced to people and wracks his brain trying to come up with terrible small talk to make conversation.

That guy who shows his emotions to women and becomes vulnerable to them only to have them mock him for it.

That guy who watched others be assertive and take what they want and be admired for it.

That guy is everything I don't want to be, and that guy was me. I'm still going through my journey but the one thing that keeps me moving along, the one thing I ask myself everyday and the one thing you should ask yourself and reall think about:

Are you the man you always wanted to be?

[–]NaughtyFred76 points77 points  (15 children) | Copy

You're new here and you hate trp?
Who cares?

You think trp should be removed from reddit?
Who cares?

You think we're all (insert your favourite insult)?
Who cares?

You're a guy reading this stuff and thinking "how do they know this shit about my life? I've seen these things happen to and play out with other people...OMG! These things have happened to me too!"

Hi there, come on in, this isn't going to be easy or pleasant but it's real and you know it's real already...so strap yourself in.

[–]sigma27248 points49 points  (9 children) | Copy

Exactly. I used to be the guy who heard TRP mentioned and thought "meh, a bunch of woman-hating neckbeards making up fake stories about getting laid."
Then I somehow stumbled onto one of the sidebar posts and realized that it explained everything that happened with my ex-gf perfectly. Everything just clicked.

[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood10 points11 points  (5 children) | Copy

Same, I've never even entered the anger phase, It was straight to acceptance. I read a bit of the sidebar and it was like reading my entire life. Except I wasn't the one that wrote it.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy

Sounds like you experienced enough shit to just be thankful for the explanation and move on. Commend you for that chief. Went straight to acceptance for me as well, but it was followed by a massive latent anger phase.

[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

My mother was pretty much the anti-unicorn. Anger phase passed from me around age 13.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

It's also why you see a lot of military guys who get it pretty quickly.

You really are exposed to humanity, at a closeness that you just can't get through the private sector.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Its also why geeky guys don't get it (including me until a few years ago). Its just not on the radar of interests.

I can see why military guys get it, they are used to raw emotions under stress, leadership, confronting conflict, athleticism.

[–]Wel1081 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I definitely went into the anger phase immediately after my breakup and digesting TRP. The saddest part is, I actually believed the bullshit people would tell me like, "just be yourself", "be happy you got to love", "the right one will come in time, be patient." I almost believed it and felt this depression looming over me, like, "what the hell can you do, it is what it is."

It was a rough road to acceptance.

[–]u-r-silly3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's safe to assume that "if only I knew that earlier..." might be the most common reaction after reading the sidebar.

[–]NaughtyFred-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Then I somehow stumbled onto one of the sidebar posts and realized that it explained everything that happened with my ex-gf perfectly. Everything just clicked.

Drop the prior knowledge of TRP's existence and replace the "described of everything that happened with my ex-gf perfectly" with "described of everything that happened with my life perfectly" and you get why I'm here.

[–]ShounenEgo8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

You're a guy reading this stuff and thinking "how do they know this shit about my life? I've seen these things happen to and play out with other people...OMG! These things have happened to me too!"

That was me roughly a year ago. The primary motivation to LEARN something is because what you tried so far in life did not work as they told you it would.

You work harder than everyone in your workplace but you don't get promoted, you start asking why, well welcome to office politics and power plays.

You are making sure that the girl that you love has a good time and you're a great catch of a boyfriend, according to every feminine figure and your dad, yet she opts in for the ripped "asshole" every single night and then uses you as an emotional tampon to make you know what a jackass he is. Welcome to the truth about sexual attraction.

This is why I believe that anger phase is multi-layered, because there's also anger when someone come to terms with their lack of knowledge over so important things, like sex life and career, in such a wide period of time. When you realize that "what you knew was wrong" you suddenly question not only reality but your ability to infer meanings from what you see around you. That's as uncertain uncertainty can get. It's like Neo just unplugged and goes down the tube, what the fuck is going to happen next, you have no idea! This is also why digesting TRP is hard if you're depressed, you're already in a state of chaos and gloom, here's some more just when you thought you had your shit figured out.

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[–]NaughtyFred2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

I've gone to some of the worst places in my head while swallowing TRP. The angry and self-deprecating thoughts I've had deserve the greatest scorn.

I have gone there too, an EC privately likened TRP to "chemotherapy that almost kills you in order to save your life". Not his exact words but an accurate appraisal of my experience of swallowing the pill so far.

[–]chonaXO73 points74 points  (26 children) | Copy

We're so getting quarantined

[–][deleted] 30 points31 points  (10 children) | Copy

Yeah, the people getting in here arent reading before judging. You can clearly see it o the subreddit of the day thread.

[–][deleted] 49 points50 points  (4 children) | Copy

Id argue that there is a great amount of newcomers whose presence is not known because they are too busy digesting the information. New influx always happens this way, the minority vocally opposes, the majority silently digs in.

[–]VickVaseline13 points14 points  (3 children) | Copy

That's true. I'm one of them.

[–]TalkingMonkey960 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Here here. Been milling through the sidebar for the past week.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

The people you are reading in the SOD thread are mostly bluepillers and SJWs who alread knew of TRP and came there to 'warn' others against us. That they think people might agree with us unless they are pre-warned says everything you need to know about their self-confidence in their ideas.

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[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

TRP getting quarantined would be the single biggest PR promotion TRP has yet received. It would be lamblasted all over /all

[–]tb876703 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

So many tools on that SROTD post, they even point out a gilded post bashing TRP and it's full of disingenuous lies to say the least lol. I mean they really cannot form a coherent argument, they just rely on 'they're not PC so burn them!' type of mob mentality mixed with shouting down.

[–]LackOfLogic2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

The floodgates are open, the reddit masses really don't care if the Red Pill philosophy makes sense or not, all they will see is 'misoginy omg, better call my feminazi Tumblr followers to read this', because, as we all know, most people are not ready/willing to be unplugged. Will it matter for TRP? Will we be banned from Reddit? Unlikely, but all bets are off now.

[–]tb876705 points6 points  (13 children) | Copy

They can't remove TRP, it would be a martyr for how anti-free-speech political correctness is.

[–]StraightGlueWater55 points56 points  (11 children) | Copy

The same way fatpeoplehate was a martyr?

Please. The majority of Reddit would applaud the banning of TRP while continuing to upvote anti-censorship posts about the internet.

[–]1Entropy-72 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Did fatpeoplehate have 150,000 members and multiple spin-off subs?

[–]tb876703 points4 points  (8 children) | Copy

Majority of Reddit isn't what I was talking about, I'm talking about actual society. Tons of people who don't bother with Reddit in any way still talk about TRP. I've heard a few good mentions of it in guy-only gatherings but just a few murmurs, these fuckers are breaking the first two rules of TRP mentioning it. I only dropped TRP to my brother and one friend, beyond that do not plan on doing it anymore.

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I don't think society as you put it will care about trp.

Even if it is somewhat recognized most people wouldn't even question a ban in the name of political correctness. The rest would just create small noise on the anti-free-speech, but even that wouldn't last much.

[–]tb876701 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy

Really not worried about it since TRP.Red is available so we can still congregate. I just think it will be another example in the long list of absurdities of the PC culture that's rotting us right now up there with gun control and the push to reduce free speech. You are wrong about one thing: a lot of people are fed up with political correctness right now. People are questioning it in large numbers. Why do you think Trump has so many supporters and more people are resistant to the classic liberal shout-down and red-herring techniques in arguments compared to even 4 years ago?

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I believe people support trump because he is not funded by major corporations(which isnt a good reason). I'm not american so i can't say how things really seem to be, but it is really dumb to follow someone just because that person speaks his mind.

[–]tb8767011 points12 points  (4 children) | Copy

You just said it, you are not American. Live here. PC-speak is pervasive. The PC culture attacks decency openly in a very indecent manner. People are pissed at it. Even our anti-liberal so-called conservative politicians still have to talk PC or they lose funding and public support. Even in private they don't want to be taped by a hot mic saying something not PC so it can be run on commercials. We get Trump and how he's acting masculine instead of feminine and saying what he means. That's what people want, not the Hillary Clinton type of double-speak.

[–]iagovar3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

But man, this guy and his team will run your country! I get what you say, and I get that his narrative and stance represents a bit of anti-stablishemnt inside the GOP frame, but I still find it scary.

There is a lot of areas where US needs a lot of improvement and I don't see Trump really having any insight in anything. Not trying to be the typical eurofag, but I care about you guys :P

[–]tb876701 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

There is a lot that needs to be done after 8 years of a leftist president, it will take more than 8 years to undo that damage and build back up from it. No one single president can fix that even if he had two terms and his pick for the next nominee gets elected in, we would still have more to fix. But fixing anything is better than continuing the downward spiral, that's for sure.

[–]yomo86-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

FPH not only had the disadvantage of "hate" being in the title it openly shames others. Not that I oppose but it could be easily construed as a hate group. TRP not so much. Even if one would argue we are misogynistic shitlords, having a certain opinion about topics does not qualify a party of being a hate speech zone. This would be taking it too far. And last point banning TRP alone or with other subs is a daunting task. Single Ban TRP BOOM martyrdom and the ultimate proof how anti-free-speech reddit really is. Banning it with a lot of other subs will shift the attention away from TRP but cast an extremely bad light on reddit.

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Why would they care? Reddit isn't a free speech machine, it's mostly a memeposting/cute gifs site with a sprinkling of news and "10 interesting facts" content. That's what most of the readership comes here for, and that's who most of the advertising targets. They certainly don't care about TRP or any other community that, if anything, brings them bad press.

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[–][deleted] 37 points38 points  (9 children) | Copy

Well, we are not a cause. We are not out to change the world, we dont care about creating a social narrative. The social narrative of feminism is useful in analysis of sexual strategy, but we arent an activism or mens rights group.

"Creepy men" are men with little/no sexual value. The same thing could be said to the same woman, one from a sniveling mangina, and one from a chad thundercock, and it would only be creepy from the mangina.

Yes we discuss divorce, custody, child support, and other marriage and legal related matters.

Becoming who you want to be is what we believe. Fake it till you make it is said sometimes here, but all in all is a pretty useless platitude. It can definitely seem that we condone acting like a high-value male, but what we actually teach is becoming a high value male, and all those behaviors fall in place as a side effect.

[–]1Entropy-77 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

I don't want to change the world I'm not looking for New England I'm just looking for another girl

-Billy Bragg

I suppose what you could say about the downside of creepy guys approaching women is "DON'T BE THAT GUY!" A major point of TRP is to be able to approach women and not seem creepy. Women should be thankful for that.

[–]the10718 points19 points  (7 children) | Copy

becoming a high value male

Is this the core of what TRP is about? The way this sub is discussed throughout reddit makes it sound more about being predatory than self improvement.

If this is whats at the core why does this sub not appear to be more about self improvement? Or if this is what the sub has been trying to do all along, how did the people here piss off reddit so badly that TRP has such a terrible reputation among redditors?

[–]1Entropy-722 points23 points  (2 children) | Copy

It's described as "predatory" because people have to trash those people who either beat them at their own game, or refuse to play that game and then work around it.

Could the TRP "tool box" be used for evil as well as good? Absolutely, but we don't ban axes because there are axe murderers out there.

In terms of self improvement, go back a few days to the post: "What advice would the red pill give to guys in their 20s?"

In summary:

  • Find your goals
  • Get out of your comfort zone
  • Strength training and sports/an active lifestyle.
  • Create discipline and work towards financial independence as soon as possible.
  • Be the prize.
  • Dont do boring vanilla sex.
  • Meditate and spend more time living in the moment instead of living in your head.
  • Work hard, and try to find your 'passion' in life.
  • Start lifting and practicing discipline, but also go out and have fun when you have done what you have needed to for the day
  • Go out and have fun and meet a lot of women
  • Try to find a good career
  • whatever situation you are in just do your best and if the tide changes then shift with the tides.
  • You're responsible for your life.
  • Understand your motivations, know thyself,
  • Ask yourself, what are ways you can enjoy the process of learning?
  • What are ways you can show up?
  • There's no rush in your early 20s to be a 'somebody' like you think there is.
  • If you're really struggling with a girl . . .then ask, do you actually like this person?
  • Leaving a bad situation is rarely a bad idea.
  • A lot of what people tell you is wrong . . They were probably just constipated and didn't even believe what they said. And yes, it's quite possible they don't know what they are talking about.
  • You can only understand things out of conflict. . . Don't believe that criticism is always correct, instead use it to better understand yourself.
  • Make money.
  • Work hard and build something independent of yourself (business).
  • Lift.
  • Diet. Invest in food and supps.
  • Do social thing a few days a week/approach women etc.
  • Get laid but make money/career, gettting in shape, investing in yourself the priority.
  • Seek building the foundation for financial independence in your 20's. Get some FU money.
  • Don't get married.
  • Overinvest in yourself, not women.
  • Teeth. Take care of your damn teeth.
  • Get off your ass and quit bitching about today's dating market you lazy fucks.
  • Understand women are not angels. They can fuck you over too.
  • It’s ok to be mad. Just don’t stay mad forever and be a male SJW victimize little bitch.
  • Women like a mix safety and fun.
  • It’s ok to be smart, just limited your herb time.
  • Don’t run around giving psychobabble advice to people because you read it on the Internet.
  • Be skeptical of shit you read on the Internet that tries to make shit super complex.
  • Authorit[ies]. . . can lead you astray because they are a person themselves.
  • People's curiosity tricks them think the more words and jargon, the deeper meaning is.
  • Learn to have fun without drugs or alcohol
  • Don't hate a fish for swimming
  • You in your 20s, fuck bitches get money.

That's maybe the first half of the direct responses. I will leave it to you to figure out how much is about self improvement and how much is about hating/enslaving/raping women.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Post save for later reference. Trouble with us older guys is we needed this info 20 years ago.

I'd add the self discipline is hugely important. Everyone can have goals and time goes by fast, you need to fill your day with what's important and execute your plan with military precision.

[–][deleted] 36 points37 points  (2 children) | Copy

Because self-improvement is beating a dead horse at this point. My post "The Great List of Non-Negotiables" pretty well covers the entirety of the self improvement side.

We are about sexual strategy, and thus the main topics of conversation are on the nature of men and women, and how to adapt our strategy to the cultural climate.

People are pissed at us because truth comes before political correctness or people's feelings around here. People are pissed at us over the words of frustrated men who are here venting. People are pissed at us because they think we hate women, which is ironic, because if we hated women why would we exist? Our main goal is to create a stronger understanding of women to develop healthier relationships with them.

[–]the10723 points24 points  (1 child) | Copy

Thanks for the reply. Its really hard to get an understanding about what this sub is really about anywhere else on reddit. There's just so much misinformation about what the true goals are here

[–]RealGucciSosa12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

Is this the core of what TRP is about? The way this sub is discussed throughout reddit makes it sound more about being predatory than self improvement.

If this is whats at the core why does this sub not appear to be more about self improvement? Or if this is what the sub has been trying to do all along, how did the people here piss off reddit so badly that TRP has such a terrible reputation among redditors?

To further clarify on what he mentioned.

PUA is about faking it, and getting results. TRP is about actually making it, and getting results. That is why we say "Lift!" A huge facet, although its fallen out of discussion in recent year, is "monk mode". Many endorsed members recommend falling out of pick-up or dating altogether and focusing on oneself before trying to game others.

Yes, this sub is about self-improvement. But rather than using psychological trickery to delude ourselves (i.e., the blue pill / hamstering), TRP uses logical & rational discussions on sexual dynamics & evolutionary psychology to help our individual sexual strategy and to better understand society in general. This is where we become politically incorrect.

TRP is also separate from MRA. An RP'er can be an MRA, just like he can be a PUA. But what separates our "movements" is that MRA is activism, while TRP is not. Many MRAs also believe in the notion of gender "equality", whereas TRP recognizes that as a biological impossibility (farce). You could say that TRP is a reaction to the shortcomings of the MRA and PUA movements.

[–]disposable_pants15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy

But couldnt this argument be used for any conspiracy?

The funny thing about conspiracies is that a decent amount of them are true.

  1. Up until 10-15 years ago, suggesting that the Gulf of Tonkin Incident (which precipitated the Vietnam War) was largely fabricated by the U.S. would have been ridiculed as a conspiracy theory.
  2. Up until ~5 years ago, suggesting that the U.S. deliberately lied about Iraq's WMD program in the lead up to the Second Gulf War would have been ridiculed as a conspiracy theory.
  3. Up until ~3 years ago, suggesting that the NSA was conducting mass, warrantless surveillance of U.S. citizens would have been ridiculed as a conspiracy theory.

The fact that an idea can be ridiculed as a conspiracy does not mean it's false.

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[–]the10710 points11 points  (4 children) | Copy

Really just trying to understand what this sub is all about and everybody has been very fair and detailed with their responses. The responses here have been vastly different than what reddit says this place is like.

Just finished that EMSK post, bit crazy that the subs second highest upvoted post of all time seems to be a pretty direct attack.

So are there any other large subs that people around here would consider allies of TRP? I assumed there would be some parralels between here, EMSK, nofap, and mensrights, but I always thought nofap was way too up on their high horse, EMSK too liberal, and mensrights a bit misguided. The fact that mensrights posts alex jones videos with sincerity is a bit silly to me, but on the flip side thought it was great to see Milo did an AMA here.

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Do you think using the name 'the redpill' hurts your cause just because of its association?

I don't think so. When I was new to the community, the Red Pill metaphor helped me "digest" this new perspective much quicker.

Could you explain how this is different?

Well I haven't seen a lot of the Sandy Hook theories out there, but what we generally see on Reddit when a conspiracy post makes the front page is a top comment offering substantial data and sources that refute the claim. This is a daily occurrence on Reddit, conspiracy theories, TIL's, etc.

What we see here at TRP is almost 100% character attacks. We are branded misogynistic woman-haters who incite rape and discuss ways to trick women into sleeping with us. Very, VERY rarely do we see counter-arguments with substantial data/sources offered.

Theres a lot of emphasis about how women are the selective gender. Do any of the posters here feel that this is not without its disadvantages? Many women complain about 'creepy men' who they are unable to make go away. How is this factored in?

Sure, it's an inconvenience to women at times, because unattractive men throw their hats into the ring the same way attractive men do. Those "creepy men" are just unattractive males who aren't socially adept enough to know when a woman isn't interested. Oftentimes the difference between creepy and sexy is nothing but a six-pack. The same words coming from

Is it a disadvantage though? Not in the context of a woman's biological imperative. The sexual market is distinctly advantageous for women, as it should be naturally- females selecting males for reproduction is an absolute staple of the natural world. It's biologically imperative that a female prevent a weak male from being the father of her offspring.

Does this sub also discuss other advantages of women, such as favor for divorce & custody rulings or is it strickly about the hookup scene?

We discuss all manner of men's issues, especially the massive disadvantage a man has when he enters into a marriage with a woman. Or in some states lives with her long enough.

Our focus and main point is to be a locker room for men to discuss strategies for maximizing their potential on the sexual marketplace. But you will find content here that ranges from highly philosophical discussions about masculinity to detailed instructions on how to implement a quality lifting regimen. It's a bit all encompassing, but it all relates to improving men's lives.

I think most people know this is bullshit.

You think wrong. Well, in a way.

This sub is filled with hordes of men, myself among them, who spent their entire teenage life and much of their 20's believing that "being yourself" was how you would win the Princess of your dreams. Society as a whole has turned to preaching that everyone is perfect and beautiful just the way they are (looking at you, fat acceptance) when it is just not the case.

This point so often gets misconstrued as TRP saying "Don't be yourself." Nobody here is saying pretend to be someone you're not- in fact that often makes things worse. You still have to be yourself. The point that's being made is to improve yourself and don't settle for the life you have now.

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Welcome to the sub. Hope they answered all your ?'s.

[–]Endorsed ContributorScholarInRed10 points11 points  (6 children) | Copy

Do you think using the name 'the redpill' hurts your cause just because of its association?

Changing the name would be like pissing on a housefire. People hate our discussions because they defy conventional views, not because we chose a risqué name.

But couldnt this argument be used for any conspiracy?

I suppose it could. One also must realise that some things are upsetting for ingenuous reasons - discussing the fate of Jews in Auswitz for example is difficult because it is so very gruesome, without any sort of conspiracy involved.

Many women complain about 'creepy men' who they are unable to make go away. How is this factored in?

I don't get where or why it should be factored in. Yes, the average woman is unable to use brute force to repel most men. I really don't get your question here at all.

Does this sub also discuss other advantages of women, such as favor for divorce & custody rulings or is it strickly about the hookup scene?

Both are pretty prevalent, actually. You should just read the sub if you want to know more about it.

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Well the premise here (I think, like I said, new) is that women are at a strong advantage when it comes to selection. Many women will say this is not an advantage as it comes with the strong disadvantage of frequently attracting the attention of undesirable and creepy men.

My question was, does TRP acknowledge that this is a disadvantage for women, and if not, why is it not relevant?

Its really the number 1 complaint of attractive women that I've heard about being attractive. Is it viewed as part of the 'Feminine Imperative' thats used by women to explain why the field is level when it is not?

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Many women will say this is not an advantage as it comes with the strong disadvantage of frequently attracting the attention of undesirable and creepy men.

Suppose you are looking to buy a house.

You qualify for a 5 bedroom 3 bathroom house on a nice lot in a good neighborhood.

Is it a disadvantage when realtors keep calling to offer you a 1 bedroom 1 bathroom rambler on a pile of dirt? No. Is it inconvenient? Yes.

There are plenty of disadvantages to being a woman, but the sexual marketplace is where they have their strongest advantage of all.

[–]Endorsed ContributorScholarInRed8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy

Right, okay, so you wish to debate some of the background of TRP. Head over to / PurplePillDebate. That's where debates go down. If you have many more questions, there's actually a thread on right now entitled "No Stupid Questions II" where you could ask if you're just curious, failing that head to / asktrp. Basically, we don't debate this stuff with outsiders here because it's too distracting, so that happens at PPD or askTRP.

I'll respond just because I might as well.

Many women will say this is not an advantage as it comes with the strong disadvantage of frequently attracting the attention of undesirable and creepy men.

That's because women are immensely ruthless in their approach to dating, in some ways. To them, unworthy men aren't even there. They're insects, like flies on the wall or roaches in the basement. If any material threat were to present itself, they just call the police who would respond to anyone complaining of stalking/harassment, but they will be taken doubly seriously because they are women. Not to mention that so many white knights would attack a stranger at the drop of a hat if a woman ran up to them crying about harassment. Women are vulnerable in theory, but generally speaking, not very much in civilised society because we have laws, police and prisons.

And this small vulnerability, compared to the manifold substantial advantages they have, is nothing, really.

My question was, does TRP acknowledge that this is a disadvantage for women, and if not, why is it not relevant?

Another posted (correctly) that "creepy" is just a man who isn't attractive enough. If Brad Pitt did anything "creepy", it would be "hot", up to a pretty ridiculous level. You'd be surprised what women put up with from high-value men. So "creepy men" really are just men who women look down on from a great height. It's not any sort of disadvantage, really, just women being overly spiteful to undesirable men. We mention that if TRPers get this response, they need to raise their SMV. That's all the mention it gets.

[–]the1072 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

I wasnt meaning to try to debate, just trying to understand what this sub is all about. Thanks for the reply, ill check out the mentioned thread.

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Read the sidebar. Google "Redpill Handbook" and download & read the PDF. All the basics to get you started in understanding the basics of TRP.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorCopperFox3c2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I believe a post I wrote a month or so ago answers your question: Women want to be the Chosen Ones.

In short, men and women have different roles in the sexual marketplace, and thus fantasize (and complain) about different things. Men bear the burden of performance, women the burden of choice.

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Thanks for the questions. Here is a more detailed introduction to TRP.

Do you think using the name 'the redpill' hurts your cause just because of its association?

I believe it does among a few people. Given humanity's inability to concentrate on one topic for more than 15 minutes, as well as the inclination to be lazy, you'll find quite a few people will hear the words "red pill" and immediately join the Nazism, Hank Hill, and everything we do here together. While there are some (very few) members of TRP that espouse Holocaust denial, Nazism, etc., the majority do not.

Try to discuss that with anybody IRL and you will get some very nasty responses. Could you explain how this is different?

I would venture to say that the concepts are similar. Like conspiracy theories, TRP is a controversial topic of conversation, and controversial topics tend to incite nastyness, anger, and sometimes violence. There's a reason many of us don't share personal details and have throwaway accounts on here.

Do any of the posters here feel that this is not without its disadvantages?

There are likely a few, inevitably deep in the anger phase.

However, this is theoretically a sub based on rationality and logic, so I believe we can recognize that there are plenty of disadvantages of being female.

Many women complain about 'creepy men' who they are unable to make go away. How is this factored in?

Quick biological lesson: nobody hangs around people that they can't get something of value out of. Nobody, women especially, like someone who's a needy succubus. Unless, of course, if he were rich, then they'd probably be willing to tolerate it. If there's a guy who's offering to pay for your 3 week vacation to Hawaii, I don't doubt for a second that he's going to appear less and less creepy.

Does this sub also discuss other advantages of women, such as favor for divorce & custody rulings or is it strickly about the hookup scene?

Very much so. The sidebar will offer plenty of information and discussion about those topics. Strictly hookups belong in r/seduction.

Act like who you want to be appears to be far more successful. Is that similar to this subs views?

Of course. Reading 48 Laws of power is a must for this sub.

[–]the1072 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Reading 48 Laws of power is a must for this sub

I'll put that on my books to check out list. I know many things say check the sidebar, but thats a lot of content contained in that sidebar, hard to see where to start.

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The first link I gave you should be more in-depth than what I posted. Happy reading!

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It's not an ideology, it's a praxeology.

Think of it like this: guys swap notes, over what works, what doesn't. apply them, make predictions about future behaviour.

Think engineering, not science or mathematics.

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Does this sub also discuss other advantages of women, such as favor for divorce & custody rulings or is it strickly about the hookup scene?

There is a lot of complaining, horror stories, and examples from the media and other subs regarding family law, family court and their effects. The real discussion is about ways to negotiate this minefield although the only solid pieces of advice that you can take to bank are 1) don't get married and 2) consult with your lawyer. On the safe side would also be a) don't date single mothers and b) don't shack up with a women (especially a single mother).

Just be yourself

I think most people know this is bullshit. Act like who you want to be appears to be far more successful. Is that similar to this subs views?

"Be the best version of yourself" or similar thoughts are prevalent, but a lot of that is in the presentation, hence game.

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The reason we experience these gender imbalances isn't due to malice or because we believe women are just evil creatures. They're not. Women are human beings with similar evolutionary drives to men.

This is true, but there's another reason we experience these gender imbalances.

Women fought for, and won, the right to have their imperatives encoded into law. Society looks the way it does because women, and powerful men, decided that it should look this way. Women fought for, and won, the right to have society give them every advantage in fulfilling their imperatives; and to have society hamper, inhibit and sandbag men in fulfilling their imperatives.

Law, culture, political institutions, the economy, religious institutions, and pretty much everything else have been completely reengineered and set up to serve the feminine imperative and to hamper and sandbag the masculine imperative(s).

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