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[–]Submissively_yours 4 points4 points4 points 7 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Women do have their own Red Pill. RedPillWomen is a subreddit that exists.
[–]aanarchist-1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link
they should rename it to wolvesinsheepsclothing
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[–]Submissively_yours 5 points5 points5 points 7 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Sexual strategy is amoral. shrug
[–]aanarchist-1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
encourage people to behave in amoral ways, and you will get it.
[–]1nonthaki-1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Hmm . Guys are Usually well-meaning in their first relationships . Its evolutionary-struggle and hypergamy exhibhited by women and feminism which change them .
[–]Submissively_yours 1 points1 points1 points 7 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Women are just as likely to be well-meaning in their first relationships. Men are sexually driven and women are security driven. Exposure to new influences will shape a person's own goals and desires, be those influences hotter girls, more money, feminism/other cultural "movements," etc. No one starts off evil, or good. We are all bundles of nerves and blood, animals just trying to carve out an existence. Morality developed with communication, because then people could say "I wouldn't want X to happen to me, so it's bad, that's not allowed. And I do want others to do y, so that's good. That's a lesson we should teach our kids, so that people will like them more and society will hold together better and they will survive better."
Accusing women of being immoral is just silly. Gender and morality have almost nothing to do with each other, because morality is basically just group selection put on a pedestal. The welfare state, anonymity in social interactions as provided by the Internet, the lack of "group competition" in most wealthy countries, birth control - morality/the code of "group selection" is basically deteriorating because of these factors.
Reproductive success is basically guaranteed, to a certain degree, so a lot of what makes people more cooperative with one another is just being cut. What we think of as 'morality' in mate selection is simply no longer necessary.
Female strategy is to get good genes from Chad, and get a beta husband to provide for Chad's kids. Chimpanzees fuck as many males as possible once pregnant so that they will all believe the child is theirs and look after it.
Equal but opposite, Chad impregnating as many women as possible means his odds of having offspring that survive/thrive increases.
So, for both individual strategies to succeed, there is necessary compromise. The drive to ensure group cooperation leads to "morality." It's "wrong" for Chad not to provide resources for his kids, and "wrong" for Susan to be unclear about who the father is of her kids, because in a group cooperation scenario, Susan will be unable to find a provider for her kids if she gives her sex freely, and Chad would be unable to get sex without committing because Susan doesn't want to be stuck raising his kid without anyone to give her resources, and anything outside of this compromise is a scandal, it cannot be allowed in the group.
Tl;dr: Group mate selection strategies are dying. Without the consequence of group exclusion, the sexual strategy of the individual is applied much more than the sexual strategy of the group, women pursuing their individual strategy (or even attempting new strategies that had not been previously possible, like being a single mom by choice) has been more shocking because society has been predominantly male-run for most of history. Both sexes like to call each other's individual strategies "immoral" to attempt control of one another. Mating strategies feel good so the goal does not have to be to reproduce for the urges involved to still be present.
[–]1nonthaki-1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
I knew this reply would comeforth . I am not denying the logic behind group control and evolutionary-driven physiologies.
But i just wanted to say that most women would ONLY choose alpha males (college jocks, rich guys) etc in their first relationships if it was possible for them to get those guys ; and also many cheat their beta boyfriends by having sex with the alphas .
Men choose women who are kind to them and are caring about them and feminine to them in their first relationships . I am not saying that men dont give importance to looks . But men are attracted to a woman with medium smv but has feminine behaviour And not just only high smv women. Even girls with low smv Knows this stuff , thats why they try to attract a guy by taking an effort to be extra feminine and kind .
Thats the difference . I know sexual strategy needs to be considered amoral for us to fully accept and live with red pill philosophy . When i saw your reddit username and your reply that sexual strategy is amoral, I thought you were a woman or RPW (My mistake) and my reply was made thinking you were one - > I didnt want to negate your statement , I just wanted to tell that some RPW rode the CC and changed strategies to RPW philosophy when it became necessary . Since I thought you were a woman, I just wanted to show you the hypocrisy .
Most men wont have needed or accepted Red Pill philosophy if women were not so flaky and also were more wise and had the mental strength or moral capacity to fight their evolutionary behaviour .
I donot deny that sexual strategy is amoral however , as change is eternal , and as a species that survived so long, we must as men rise up to the challenge .
However what anaarchist said is true , if society held women more responsible , we could control women's hypergamous behaviour to some extent and as a man , its my right and evolutionary-induced behaviour(I cant do anything about this feeling) to protect my interest and not have to father some other guy's child.
[–]1nonthaki0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago* (7 children) | Copy Link
Granted they have their flaws . Some are onto RPW only after hitting the wall and some are young but still did ride the CC, but after seeing how society is faring, they migrate towards RPW . But i am sure there are atleast some women who are actually comfortable with traditional-mindedness and thus visit RP .
Some have jobs but want to stay at home and have less stress in their lives which is perfectly understandable, and so have their husband be the lone breadwinner which is fine by RP standards .
But most others are as You said wolvesinsheepclothing who are jobless, and thus are finding RPW very acclimatic after having a bf with a job.
And there are the rare women who are actually level-headed and are independent in their lives and in their relationships but do not let it get to their head and are good family women .
[–]aanarchist0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
this isn't about their comfort with traditional mindedness. this is about red pill women becoming a subreddit that's basically feminism 3.0. the only "true" red pill women that society needs are the ones that actually give something back to society rather than optimizing their strategy for leeching off of a man.
they were happy to be cock guzzling cum dumpsters until it became a bad deal, and they're just following the flow as usual. women as a whole need to be taught not to just be passengers in life and to actually participate, to actually bring value to society in some way, even if it's something as simple as being a good wife. the problem is 99% of them have the mentality of how do i get what i want rather than how can i be of service. they don't give a fuck about anyone or anything, and when the winds change again they'll hop ships yet again. this is something that should be heavily discouraged and outright punished. humanity can't achieve a state of freedom when the entire female population lives in some perpetual sleepwalking state where they just follow their subconscious the entire time.
[–]1nonthaki0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link
Yes . Most women lack the kind of "moral" insight, at their younger ages that atleast some Women like Karen Straughn have atleast slightly . More leeching (like fashion, consumerist, entertainment) than actually contributing . Even the women who understand the True survivalist nature of life (Life isnt fair or friendly) and red pill philosophy(post wall, pre wall) and that happiness can only come out of contributing to something greater , whether it be family or society - These Insights come naturally to only women who are post-wall and have a dead social life owing to their low smv . At that time , they are able to reflect upon themselves in a different manner and thus learn these qualities. But all the bad qualities that Red Pill always mentions will always exist in them and never get completely extinguished .
Most other women stumble upon Red Pill by chance or from being told to them by someone . What I am trying to say is that "socialist, egalitarian, morality, dignity, honesty" ideals are not inborn in a woman, and women are more evolutionarily driven .
[–]aanarchist0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link
women aren't the drivers of evolution though, they are passive recipients. men are the doers.
those insights come naturally to someone who has felt how harsh the real world is. it means that men as a whole need to let go of the idea of smv. an attractive woman should be baseline, the norm, and not something to be pedestalized and given special treatment. likewise women who do not meet that baseline societal expectation should be harshly punished as she is a detriment to the society.
either way if they want to stay agency free, responsibility free, and morality free, then they should also not have any of the "perks", that come with being a contributing male of the society ie the right to vote or own property etc etc. our current society would be just fine if women didn't have equal rights, most of the men would make decent decisions for the both of them and there wouldn't be a bunch of mindless consumerism. women are becoming more and more depressed because they cannot handle the freedom and responsibilities in a healthy way.
[–]1nonthaki0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Yes . We humans are now civilized . This is not like the barbaric age where we were driven by our biology to just search for the most attractive partner and then procreate .
We have evolved to think greater than our basic primal needs and behaviour . We have now become more aware that we look more for relationships than one night stands .
If you look at Most young girls nowadays, they live their lives on a very shallow plane aka Facebook, tinder etc . Most guys too are now hooked onto porn and computer games than a good contributive social life .
We must stop thinking just about ourselves and think for the next generation just like our grandparents and parents did.
I agree men should look above the very baseline attribute of looks in a woman and Look for greater qualities in a woman .
[–]aanarchist0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
i don't think we were ever driven by biology to be so choosy. in fact it should be a normal bell curve if we're talking about nature. women are raised with entitlement from day 1, they're taught that basically all men aren't good enough, and oh look 85% of men are considered below average.
it's not that men are hooked per say, it's that this society doesn't want or need anything of them, they feel superfluous and so they go into their caves and do whatever.
[–]1nonthaki0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You are right . Society should hold women responsible for their bad personalities like hypergamy, starting to bitch after marriage etc .
Similarly , we must hold men and ourselves responsible for being betas and for catering to women and putting women on a pedestal .
[–]1nonthaki0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Marriage and family is a way of conrtibuting towards society e.g. procreation - > children of the future . But women dont want to contribute to society . They would rather cheat and fuck other guys and spend money and time frivolously rather than taking care of family and children . Even having a family and children is seen as a sort of iinvestment by some women - > to have someone to take care of them when they are old .
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I've never read through their sub, but I assume you are referring to sluts who want to get married now?
Do they not have as much right to reform into marriage material as a beta does to become an alpha?
sure they can marry all the betas they want. the point is the overwhelming majority loses their ability to love and to have a stable relationship with a single person.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Betas don't have the ability to have a stable relationship either. If some of them can come to TRP and reform, I'm sure some women can too.
[–]aanarchist0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yea except trp warns men about reformed sluts. I've dated them myself and a red pill one at that even. She was a complete basket case and was only concerned in extracting resources out of me. A trp woman should by definition be someone who contributes to her man's life. Being alpha widowed means she's treated another man better than she'll ever treat you.
Red pill teaches men on the other hand to stop treating a woman so well cuz she won't love you for it.
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