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You Owe Women You Just Met Absolutely Nothing Except a Proper Fucking

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November 12, 2016

Introduction by Bancroft (kdunning)

Most guys naturally know to always act non-weird, non-creepy, and non-needy when meeting a new male friend.

Here’s the standard line non-spectrum guys take when meeting a new random male acquaintance:

  • Shake their hand
  • Talk about normal guy things to find middle ground
  • Keep it casual and have a good time
  • Hang out if it makes sense, if not, then don’t try to force anything

And for contrast, below is the standard list of things non-spectrum guys KNOW TO AVOID when meeting a new random male acquaintance:

  • Share random intimate personal details (your weird habits you do when no one is looking, your insecurities)
  • Ask him random serious personal questions (his ex’s, his own insecurities, his feelings toward you at the time)
  • Flower him with compliments and praise like a suckup
  • Ask to do favors and “nice” things to make him happy
  • Try to integrate themselves in his life immediately like they’ve known each other for 10 years

This makes sense because after all, you just met the fucking guy.

You’re not trying to do anything other than meet and greet him. You’re surely not trying to be a best friend. That’s weird, needy, and creepy.

And if you’re reading this, I surely hope you’re not trying to get in his pants. If so, you’re a Confused Cuck in the Closet [CCC] and you’re in the wrong subreddit. We talk about dick in vaginas here in the main sub, not dicks in hands (that’s askTRP).

The problem, though, is when these same guys talk to women.

That’s when they fuck everything up.

Most guys become a Big Blue Beta Bitch when dealing with women

Despite most guys already knowing to avoid acting like the cast of Big Bang Theory when they interact with men, as soon as they try to get their dick wet, they throw all Red logic out the door and crumble into a Big Blue Beta Bitch [BBBB].

What does a Big Blue Beta Bitch [BBBB] do?

They treat the woman like a best guy friend. They act weird, needy, and creepy.

Here’s what they do:

  • They treat her nicer than she treats them
  • They immediately emotionally invest in the future of this girl because they care about her wellbeing and dream about how they’d feel in a relationship with her
  • They answer all her personal questions in full honesty so she can get to know him
  • They openly share their entire backstory and explain who they are so she can trust him
  • They physically accommodate her by driving her, taking her out, paying for her
  • They listen and comfort her when she shares her “life problems”
  • They open more lines of communication than she reciprocates or desires
  • They plan a million hangout sessions instead of giving her space (to go fuck other guys)

Doing all of the above is the fastest way to turn your dick into a crusty mangina that no one—not even that SuperGayGuy from Glee—would want to fuck.

So don’t be the BBBB.

I’ll hate you.

So will all the women you want to fuck.

But Chad won’t.

Bancroft knows the secret to destroying your BBBB

Now to all you strong able bodied (you guys lift, right?) Terpers of the TRP who want to keep their Big Blue Beta Bitch tendencies in check, Bancroft is here to help you out—and also teach you how to keep your Deep Emotional Feelings [DEF] for your new found hottie at bay.

And like all things Bancroft, I’ll make it super simple for you all.

Because I’ve excelled at the masculine discipline of “guy logic”— something Betas love to forget when they meet a new eligible set of tits and ass—you’ll have the benefit of learning all my strategies quicker than you can say “OP is a misogynist and I think he fucking loves it”.

So let’s begin.

Premise 1: Everything an average Red guy does to fuck a woman

For everyone who doesn’t take into account the work men put towards getting laid, Bancroft’s journey across the lands have provided excellent first hand knowledge on this topic:

  1. Lifted, eaten, and maintained a healthy physical and mental state to be able to fuck women
  2. Read, studied, and analyzed Red literature and game tactics to be able to fuck women
  3. Broke through his inner demons and anxieties and approached a woman
  4. Applied game
  5. Led conversation
  6. Didn’t do anything awkward
  7. Got her number
  8. Contacted her
  9. Applied text game
  10. Kept his BBBB tendencies in check and didn’t bombard her with ooey gooey texts about his feelings or about “her day”
  11. Asked her out because like all of us, he just wants to fuck her first and get to know her later
  12. Had the balls to tell her to dress sexy because like us, it’s a lot easier to fuck when she’s already wearing slutty clothes
  13. Leading up to the date, continued to lift, eat, and maintain a healthy physical and mental state so he can perform
  14. Kept his BBBB tendencies in check and didn’t bombard her with ooey gooey texts about his feelings or “how much fun she’ll have on the date”
  15. Took a shower, put on good clothes, and showed up
  16. Applied game
  17. Led conversation
  18. Listened to all her bullshit about how hard her life is, her evil co-workers, and passed all her pathetic shit tests
  19. Kept his BBBB tendencies in check and didn’t bombard her with ooey gooey conversation about his feelings or “how much he likes her”
  20. Had the balls to sexually escalate by focusing on the vagina, not the woman
  21. Had the balls to change logistics to a bed and took her to said bed
  22. Had the balls and maneuvers to break through any last minute resistance, received her full consent (of course!), and succeed in fucking her
  23. Kept his BBBB tendencies in check and didn’t bombard her with ooey gooey post-sex conversation about his feelings or how “special she is”
  24. If he let her stay overnight, he promptly fucked her in the morning even harder than the first time
  25. If not, he was man enough to kick her out so he can continue his evening without a feminine distraction and get some solid sleep without hair in his face

Yes my brothers, this is a long list.

That’s my point.

You’ll understand why I listed everything out in a minute.

And some of you may say I’m being pedantic here but really I’m not.

These are things WE ALL subconsciously do to successfully fuck women. True, the more experienced you are, the less you think about these items, but you’re still performing them.

To be a man is to perform. That’s a primary facet that separates us from the tight, wet holes we wanna fuck: masculine performance.

Now that you’ve seen how much work the average Red guy puts in to get his dick wet, I’ll lay out what the average woman does to get fucked.

And boys, it’s one hell of a list, so I hope you’re ready.

Premise 2: Everything an average woman does to fuck a guy

Bancroft’s journey across the lands also gave him the special privilege of discovering what the average woman must suffer and endure to land a potential suitor (read: good enough cock to fuck while not blacked out).

And guys, I’ll be honest here, it’s pretty fucking stressful:

  1. Own a cell phone that operates
  2. Take a shower, put on cute clothes, and show up
  3. Open her legs (and keep her mouth shut unless you need to use it for your dick)

There you have it.

I’m not saying it’s easier to be a woman than a man, that’s not my point (hell, that’s not even a fair debate). I’m just saying women HAVE TO DO LESS to get laid than men (again, old news).

And it’s exactly because they put in SO LITTLE EFFORT compared to you that they don’t deserve any preferential treatment like your good friends.

They deserve nothing more than a healthy dose of your dick (with consent of course!)—or if you don’t like her, the door.

Bancroft’s Logical Inference: She’s done absolutely nothing for you so far

Guys, it’s natural for you to start getting all Blue and shit when you encounter a hottie. Men are the true romantics. I get it.

But logically look at all the work and effort you put in to get laid versus what the woman does.

You’ll see it’s quite lopsided for the average guy.

You did 25 things to get her to fuck you. She did 3 things, 4 tops if you count her not talking.

Really, she didn’t do anything other than charge her cell phone, not get lost showing up, and open her legs at the precisely correct moment.


She has done nothing to earn a spot in your friends list. Your guy friends put in a lot more effort. While you don’t get to fuck them (I hope not), the reason why you treat them as such is because they put in actual effort and work to be your friend.

And women you just met NEVER put that effort in.

So don’t treat them like they did.

Destroy your BBBB by reminding yourself everything she hasn’t done for you

And that’s exactly what you need to remind yourself when you start having BBBB tendencies.

Just logically walk yourself through whether this woman deserves the care, emotional investment, and noble deference your romantic BBBB wants to provide for her.

That’s right—she doesn’t.

The only thing she’s done so far is looked sexy and showed up.

So the only thing you should feel inclined to pay her back is what she showed up for: A civil, proper, and good old classy fucking—with her full verbal and written consent (of course!)

Bancroft’s Disclaimer for Those with Low Reading Comprehension

All throughout this piece I’m advocating men to critically think about what they should logically offer to a woman they just met.

And I’ll clarify, this is for women they just met.

Most of the time, it’s absolutely fucking nothing.

This doesn’t, however, mean I’m advocating literally just fucking the woman, leaving her gimp from your dick, and showing her the door. That’s pretty funny (she’ll always text first, trust me) but also not the best way to continue fucking the girl. And I’m sure it also hurts their “feelings” (Bancroft understands that just like Betas, women have feelings too).

I actually believe in sharing ALL your amazing personality traits to continue fucking women. Sometimes that means being nice, sometimes mean, sometimes mysterious, sometimes very deep and open about your life. And sometimes it means just literally being your awesome self.

Again, I’m NOT saying to NEVER be an actual human being with a personality. These are tools you need to eventually develop. We’re not complete psychopaths at TRP, right? At least not all the time.

I’m just saying that until the woman has proven herself otherwise, you should never over extend your hand and play face up.

Again, you just met her. Just like how you don’t creep out a new male friend, you don’t need to treat her like something she most certainly is not: royalty.

If you do, then I hope it’s because it’ll help you fuck, not because you genuinely want to please her.

The last thing women need (and the human race) is a man that genuinely wants to please women more than himself.

She needs a cool aloof dick to ride—not a Humble Blue Soul [HBS] to carry the excruciating painful weight of all two or three of her “life problems”.

Corollary 1: You don’t owe her any emotional investment yet (or ever)

You just met this bitch, do you even know who she is?

You just met this bitch, do you even know if she likes you or is just using your dick for a cheap ride?

Take all that dreamy Blue and Beta imaginative bullshit you fantasize about as you text her at night and shove it right back into your hidden little box of romantic memories (yes, I know every guy, even you, still has one).

You know so little of who she is (it’s probably not much more when you actually find out) that it doesn’t make sense for you to invest in her her feelings, want to take care for her, and dream about a Happily Ever After.

If you do, you’re just a BBBB and you should go read purplepilldebate so you can play with other like minded sexually frustrated maginas.

Corollary 2: You don’t owe her any explanation of your personal details and backstory yet (or ever)

You just met this bitch, you don’t have to tell her anything about your personal life.

How much information has she given you? How much of it is even interesting? Thought so.

Women love mystery and never want full disclosure. So by keeping your mouth shut and your feelings to yourself, you’re actually making her wetter.

When women know everything about you, she can categorize your personality with all the other fuck buddies she has in her phone. As soon as she has you figured out, her pussy dries up because hypergamy now realizes she’s rode that dick before.

Women are always looking for ways to feed their insatious Penis Novelty [PN].

“I want to wake up every morning WITHOUT a cool, mysterious, alpha guy to think and dream about”

Said no woman ever.

Corollary 3: You don’t owe her physical accommodation or intimate comfort yet (or ever)

Remember, she just showed up, gave you full consent (of course!), and opened her legs. If anything, she should be THANKING you for making her night.

Think about it: You approached her, you led conversation, you made first text contact, you planned the date, you gave her a bed, you asked for consent (of course!), and most importantly you gave her the D.

In hindsight, you were the perfect gentleman.

And this means since you’ve already done your job and put MORE than enough effort in already, that you don’t owe her anything extra.

You don’t owe her a ride home, breakfast in the morning, extra non-fucking spoon time so she can rest her head on your chest and touch your face, or if you’re as cruel as Bancroft: a towel for the shower.

Now again, I’m NOT saying you should never accommodate your women. These NiceGuy tools are necessary to continue fucking women. You’ll need to use them eventually.

But for women you just first met and fucked, you definitely don’t OWE them these.

So reward if you want to.

But Bancroft probably wouldn’t.

And neither should you.

Corollary 4: You don’t owe her additional text conversation, a real date, or anything beyond setting up the second fuck

You just met this bitch, you don’t need to text her to see how she’s doing.

Believe me, Beta Billy the Blue and her two ex’s are already texting her asking how her “girls night out” went. There’s plenty of other Blue Pilled Horny Mother Fuckers [BPHMF] on speed dial to pay attention to every bit of her amazing and unique lackluster personality.

You just met this bitch, why would you want to take her on a fancy date?

Remember, she just showed up and opened her legs. Do you repay a generic personality-free dirty slut by taking her out on a Beta Wonderfilled Dinner [BWD]? Fuck no.

“When sluts be hungry, they need the D, not a god damn filet mignon” - Bancroft

Unless she already paid it forward by taking you out on that first date, YOU DON’T OWE HER JACK SHIT. Even then, I’d never reciprocate her efforts equally, otherwise known as the Fifth Commandment of Poon from Original Roissy.

And you already guessed it: The only thing you truly owe her is letting her know when and where Magical Fuck Numero Dos is going down.

(edited 11/13 to remove my original conclusion which made fun of the userbase. Thanks Mods for letting this post live with edit. Much appreciated second chance.)

Follow me on TRP.Red @ Bancroft

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Title You Owe Women You Just Met Absolutely Nothing Except a Proper Fucking
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[–]GentlemenMindset67 points68 points  (1 child) | Copy

If most men acted like this and saw the results, they'd think they got the cheat codes to women.


[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (0 children) | Copy

Appreciate your read thank you

[–]wutangzus200242 points43 points  (2 children) | Copy

Do at least text her once afterwards. Why? so that there is no buyers remorse and a rape charge down the road. Keep your BBB in check for the message just enough convo so that her state does not change.

[–]throwawayurbuns10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

Top notch advice. Be friendly, but not too friendly. Maintain the mystery.

[–]Eat_Animals1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I feel like this is a solid piece of advice because with the entitled-princess generation there's an excess of lying about actual violence or abuse. Don't let it happen to you. I broke up with a crazy bitch and she couldn't handle it and had a meltdown so she tried to tell the cops (whom I called because of aforementioned psychotic rage) that I "beat" her and tried to tell my friends, anyone who would listen. Luckily only the few white knight beta orbiters she had believed her and I got a good long restraining order against her. Even her own friends didn't believe her. Moral of the story is, if she's upper level crazy, record her episode if you get caught up in it. Generally a man's word doesn't mean shit against a woman's word in feminist western society.

[–]Heathcliff-- 118 points118 points [recovered] | Copy

BTFO salty TBP lurkers downvoting this, it's good shit. Solid advice.

Treat every new girl you meet like she's a dude and you'll have a much better time.

[–]offthebeatmeoff68 points69 points  (1 child) | Copy

I treat all girls I meet just like my guy friends. That's why I push so hard for anal fast and early.

[–]BowlOfCandy13 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy

Treat every new girl you meet like she's a dude

Easy: in your head strip away her tits, ass, and sexual appeal and judge her like a dude.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

[–]Luckyluke2311 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think after Hillary's loss they are going to come out in force now.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (12 children) | Copy

Very interesting. SO basically just ask the girl if she wants to fuck? Hypothetically lets say a girl maybe likes me a little bit. Should I just go up to her and ask if she wants to fuck? Maybe if you're in the club and the girl is in a vulnerable mindset or something that approach might work.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (8 children) | Copy

If she's a slut and receptive to overt gestures and overt game, then it could work.

Literally any line works if she's slutty enough it she's already into you.

Better to just skip these lines and if she's into you, stop wasting time, and escalate by going to a bed, bathroom, or car and fix her up with the Dee

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy

Well lets say shes not that slutty, but is into me a tad bit, and has told me that I'm hot... I really dont know the bitch that well at all. Ill try something a little different for this one girl, as shes top notch but quite honestly Im pretty sure she has an idea that I want to go balls deep.

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (4 children) | Copy

I think she wants you to go balls deep.

Do it for us and write a FR

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Would be pretty cool if she did. I wish some of these hos would be a little more aggressive in letting me know that they are willing to let me fuck and/or want me to come and talk to them. This girl was telling me one of her girlfriends likes me more than I know. The thing is that girl really never approached me or anything, so how am i suppose to know she supposedly likes me.

[–]GrabHerByThePEPE1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Keep reading. The lack of overtones is a blessing. It's your job to get good with people so you don't have to think it logically. Assume attraction. Etc. keep reading.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Appreciate the advice. I mean it depends on day to be completely honest. I wouldn't say I'm completely oblivious, however as I may have stated, I'm a tad bit slower to pick up on when a girl might be attracted to me. Literally the best way for a girl to let me know she wants me to be with her, is to just tell me and give me her number.

Not sure what you mean by "you dont have to think it logically", "keep reading." I understand most of these girls want the guy to come up them and have some confidence. However before I go up to any of these human female creatures, I need to at least know she is a tad bit interested in me from a sexual standpoint. If a girl doesnt tell me she is interested in me, like I said how am I suppose to know that she wants me to show supposed confidence and go up to her.

[–]GrabHerByThePEPE0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Give Mark Manson a read. "Models." He says this: 70% of girls (bangable girls that is, not old grandmas) aren't into you. 10% are. 20% are neutral (can be swayed). Your job is to figure out if they are in the 70%. If they are, move on ASAP. If they were neutral, polarize them into the 70% or into the 10%. As for the 10%, I don't recall what he said, but I believe his point was that they are too easy? Or go for it. Don't remember. Mark seems to love to play the game of creating human connections with hot girls and then bang em though. That means your target is the neutral girls who aren't overtly into you. Polarize them into For or Against, then ignore or proceed.

[–]Rowdy_Rutabaga3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Act like you belong there. It shows confidence and women are attracted to it. Don't overpower, just put your foot in the door. Engage in conversation and ask questions about the topic at hand. It isn't hard to do. Then after enough questions that give you a background state your intents. Say, "I like you, would you like to have dinner with me tomorrow?" Make sure it is tomorrow, Not some time or next week. Say tomorrow, and mean it. Right there you can see if she is into you or not. Think deadlines, not panty dropping, because with the deadlines the panties drop by themselves.

I said this to all and I think it applies to you specifically so here it is.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Pretty solid advice. We shall see what transpires. Im somewhat shy depending on the day..... Like I need to know the chica has at least has a little interest in me, before I just go up to said ho and start trying to subtly ask if she kindve wants to let me fuck sooner rather than later.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Surely, you must be joking, Mr. Feynman!

[–]Coekize 57 points57 points [recovered] | Copy

Great post, the part you mentioned about not treating a girl nicer than she treats you is really important, and definitely puts things in perspective when thinking about your interactions with women. I feel like that one fundamental point alone encompasses so much of red pill and if everyone applied it properly, not only with women but also with men, would find that they are treated better by everyone around them.

If you think about the dynamics between almost any relationship between two people, the one who is being nicer is almost always the one who is more beta. The reason we do this is because we generally equate being nice (and supplicating) with having people like us, and the tendency for betas is to extend this logic to women too. People might like you, but they will never respect (or be attracted to) you. If you want respect you have to not give a fuck what people think about you. Being nice for no reason shows neediness. You are showing the other person that you want them to like you, and in their minds that automatically place them above you ("why does he want me to like him? He must value me").

When you don't care if people like you or not then you will be respected far more (by men, and also more attractive to women). When you have a mindset of not needing people to like you, this will extend into your personality, and you will find that people will tend to be nicer and more respectful towards you in all of your relationships because on some level they see you as above them ("this guy doesn't give a fuck about me, he must not need or value me, therefore I will be nice to him so that he likes me").

People will be on their best behaviour around you, because on some level every human will automatically tend to want everyone to like them. I'm sure you have noticed this in your own behaviour, when you tend to be more nice and agreeable with people you look up to and respect. Another side effect of this, is that people won't be as comfortable around you when they look up to you. This discomfort stems from the fact that they are always careful about their behaviour, because they are forever chasing after your validation. Again, think about how comfortable you around people you are cooler than, compared to how comfortable you are around people who are cooler than you. This is also related to why girls inherently feel discomfort and uneasiness around guys they are extremely attracted to.

The difference between the bad boy and the nice guy is that the bad boy values respect, and the nice guy values being liked. This is why girls LIKE having nice guys around, but only RESPECT (and are only attracted) to bad boys. (Remember that for girls respect=attraction)

Understanding this dynamic alone, I feel like, even with no other redpill knowledge is almost enough to turn you into an alpha from a beta, not only with women but also with men.

[–]Rowdy_Rutabaga3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

Great post, the part you mentioned about not treating a girl nicer than she treats you is really important, and definitely puts things in perspective when thinking about your interactions with women. I feel like that one fundamental point alone encompasses so much of red pill and if everyone applied it properly, not only with women but also with men, would find that they are treated better by everyone around them.

Respect- Treat others as they deserve to be treated.

The problem with that line is, if a girl isn't showing you respect that you expect, why are you even still there? Don't be a dick to them because they were a dick to you, in your eyes. Just get up out of there and say tonight was fun but I don't think I want to do it again. Be polite and say goodnight and leave. There is something to be said about a polite man in the face of malfeasance.

[–]Coekize 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Remember though that not being nice is not necessarily the same thing as being mean or disrespectful. It simply means that you aren't seeking validation through your 'kind' behaviour. You can still treat people with respect and be perfectly polite without resorting to 'nice guy' behaviour.

I agree with what you're saying, its definitely better to just be polite and leave. I think the reason that breaking frame lowers your value in a women's eyes is because it signals to them that you value them enough to care about their opinion. If you don't care about what they say or think, it signals to them that you don't value their opinion above your own and are therefore worthy of more respect.

[–]Rowdy_Rutabaga3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Do you not know how to have a conversation? Do you not know how to debate opposing view points and be civil? There is a fine line that I think you are crossing. You can be opposing views and still have great sex. I think you need to work on your charisma, and no it is not just a stat in D&D. It's not what you say, but how you say it. I can tell you to fuck off seven different ways from Sunday with a smile on my face and you would think we had a great conversation. I learned it from my best friend who would tell you to fuck off for the whole month and make you think it was your idea. Brush your teeth, smile and don't be mean. If you aren't smart enough to do that then I will call you a Leon. See Leon is older than us but we all graduated before him because he just didn't get what was being taught. Talking to woman is not a superpower. It is life. Half the population of the world is women.

Here's a tip. Imagine you are talking to your mom. Then when the time comes for fucking you probably moved past the fact that you have to imagine you are talking to your mom. If you haven't this is the reason the DSM-5 is in existence.

[–]TheLaughingRhino 3 points3 points [recovered] | Copy

The reason we do this is because we generally equate being nice (and supplicating) with having people like us, and the tendency for betas is to extend this logic to women too. People might like you, but they will never respect (or be attracted to) you. If you want respect you have to not give a fuck what people think about you. Being nice for no reason shows neediness. You are showing the other person that you want them to like you, and in their minds that automatically place them above you ("why does he want me to like him? He must value me").

I think one can be "kind" in general and not be "nice" and still function without being a doormat. I think folks have to be aware of their instinctive base nature. If your normal behavior is to be "kind", then I'm not sure totally curbing that is going to be the most IDGAF scenario.

The trick to being "kind" IMHO is the same concept as talking to everyone/giving value to get value but not expecting anything in return, it almost always requires

  1. Enforcing good and healthy emotional boundaries - Don't think that's discussed enough in this sub to be honest but I think it's pretty critical. I think folks can be "kind" and decent to other folks until the point comes where it's clear it's time to shed said person or box them out from future interaction. I do believe you can give everyone a chance to start, when you don't know them, to see what they are all about. ( I.E. I recognize most people aren't worth shit as human being, but sometimes you can be totally surprised)

  2. Be confrontational - I think "confrontation" gets a bad rap in modern Western society, but most people aren't good at it and most people don't like it. Lots of people will tend to hesitate to push too hard with you if your base nature is to show the open ability to be confrontational and to be willing to escalate that quickly.

  3. If you are going to be "kind" then be kind to everyone around you in general. This is where I think people tend to trip themselves up, the one who use covert contracts and only show "kindness" to those who they want something from or want to bang. To me, this is what shifts "kind" to "nice doormat" If people observe you are "kind" to everyone, I think that tends to lessen the negative reaction when you are kind to them.

  4. In general, never talk about yourself much, never share about yourself much, just be open in your behavior that you recognize that people don't give a shit about other people in general, but that you choose to be "kind" anyway because it's what you want to do. I do think it's a tougher balancing act, but I think you can be "kind" and still be IDGAF. But more of, this is how I am, this how I choose to be, I DGAF in how you approve or disapprove of it.

I also think the big elephant in the room is that many women just won't respect anyone period. Doesn't matter how you operate, they are douchebags. I think these are people you shed ( yes, even if you want to fuck them, because, at least to me, life is too short to even spend the time listening to some screwed in the head chick rant and rave because you want to get your dick wet)

I personally find a better balance having people be comfortable around me, but uncomfortable to the idea of any boundary violation around me because they understand it means confrontation is absolute.

To each their own, I do understand the caution to be safe than sorry, i.e. if you are going to lean to one side, lean to any side not heading towards "nice guy" territory. But I think as experience and skill set develops, esp with people and interactions, I think its entirely possible to find a better overall balance. Just my take, to each their own.

[–]JarJar-PhantomMenace15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy

Methinks op doesn't like fags.

[–]Invictus-Aeternus13 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy

TLDR: if you are acting like an insecure bitch and projecting your maternal fantasies on to a woman, then you are destined to fail.

This is true, but I'm sad that OP thinks that people need to hear it. If you go all weird on a woman and drown her in your personal BS after meeting her, then you need to revisit RP 101.

You shouldn't treat her like your bro. Do you escalate with your bro? If you do, then pursue the cock full-time and have fun having sex without fem-logic.

Basically: women aren't repositories for your insecurities, and if you see them as such, then it will hurt your sexual strategy.

Meet them foremost as feminine individuals and then game them if you want to.

Nevertheless, treating a girl like a dude is preferable to going full sperg and telling her why she is a madonna who is superior to every whore you've ever seen.

I'd like to think that RP people are more sophisticated than this. You should be able to treat her as a feminine individual rather than a whipping post for your insecurities or 'one of the guys'.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy

There's still a shitton of sexless college aged guys reading this sub as we speak looking for advice. So yes, some people do need to hear it.

And sure you should be able to treat her as a feminine individual if you want. If you're that kind of guy. Sure.

But here at TRP we don't concern ourselves with morality, so I think it's fine to men here to view women however they see fit.

My personal philosophy:

That women at their best are fun, youthful, and sexy

And women at their worst are insatiable, ruthless, and vindictive

[–]NeoreactionSafe21 points22 points  (4 children) | Copy


Here's a tip:


Just do whatever you want to do with her sexually.


In other words remove care about some abstract ideal of behavior you might have picked up watching some porn video.

What matters is that you create the scene... it doesn't matter what scene you create only that you are the creative force.

She doesn't like your creation?

Well to hell with that bitch then... if she doesn't like your "artwork" then dump her immediately.

You command, she takes it... you fuck, she catches.

If she becomes a critic throw her out.


[–]throwawayurbuns8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy

Totally agree.

In my beta days I would be very careful about what I'd do in the bedroom. "Will she be comfortable if I do X?", "What will she think if I do X". The hamster was in hyper-drive.

Then I just stopped giving a fuck and started doing. Whatever sexual shit pops into my head in the moment I just do. And you know what? It works.

You want your dick sucked? Just shove in straight in her mouth like it fucking belongs there - because it does.

9/10 they love it. Being a ruthless animal in the bedroom and taking control, they get so damn fucking wet it's unreal.

[–]NeoreactionSafe9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

Women want the man to be in charge.

This was how nature designed our bodies... the vagina just "catches"... you must decide how and when things take place.

And being impulsive and unpredictable is very exciting for women.

Nothing bores a woman more than predictable sex.


[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Very good perspective and advice

[–]1StoicCrane5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

OP let's put a new spin on this. *You Owe Women You've Just Met Absolutely Nothing. For Yourself You Owe A Good Fucking."

We owe women absolutely nothing. We owe it to ourselves to fuck the shit out of them (if that's your thing/fetish) for all the hell we've been put through by mainstream society for the sake of poon.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy

Women love a good pounding.

Just be that guy that gives it to her.

The more we tire them out from sex, the less energy they'll have for studying social media, taking filtered photos and selfies, and preying on poor defenseless betas.

Do it for your Dee. But also for the good of mankind.

[–]iopq6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

No, I refuse. She can get fucked after she gets me ready by giving me head and no moment sooner.

[–]AceBenedict236 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy

Okay so every time I meet an attractive woman, focus on the pussy first. Anything else will serve to distract.

Could you give an example of how to respond in either of these two situations when "feelz" talks happen?

During a date

Her: "I really like you. I want to learn more about you .."

Post sex

Her: "That was amazing, you're so special to me, etc"

What responses would be appropriate?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

What do you want? Base your response on what you want, as long as it's not some soppy shit.

[–]AceBenedict233 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

I meant if she's a potential plate and starts being all emotional like that

[–]throwawayurbuns6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

The first one I'd brush off with a "Well you'll have to stick around and find out", "If (you keep me happy/i'm satisfied) I might just let you find out" or some variation thereof.

After sex I just go into cocky mode. "Of course I'm amazing". "Damn right I'm special", "You wouldn't be here if I wasn't now would you?" etc.

Keep it short, stay aloof, stay cocky and of course - don't give a single fucking damn.

[–]TermsOfColors14 points15 points  (1 child) | Copy

with her full verbal and written consent (of course!)

I have fucked many women in my life and I never once got written consent.

I don't owe anyone I just met jackshit.

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (0 children) | Copy

You have a sense of humor just like me

[–]yomo867 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Lov this guide very concise writing style. This is also why girls complain that there are no more 'real' men left. When a pussy has run her course ie. the wall most of the high value men will not even put up with the list of prerequisits. I am now in my 30s and while - thankfully - my libido is not en par with a 15yo, I value a gym session or a proper meeting with friends a lot more than let's say the marginal option of getting laid by a date - if she is definitly dtf sure I might reschedule.. but otherwise... no.

An advice to our younger reader: get it out of your system, get 2 plates and empty your testicles, your HS sweetheart, you know THE 10, will appear way more duller than before.

[–]Calebrox1242 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy

Saving this, gonna read it again before I go on my date this Friday. Excellent read! Unrelated, can anyone give reading material for the do's and don't's of texting?

[–]Rowdy_Rutabaga-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy

Fuck all that. Just go Something About Mary and jerk off before hand and just be your normal self on the date.

On texting, never initiate shit. Let her send the nudes and you cannot ask for them until you fucked her multiple times over different weeks. Plant the idea in her head after a good session. "Oh I have this to do next week and I am going to be away from you for so long...would you send me something to remind me how good I feel right now?" Chicks love that shit. They will take hundreds of photos for you, granted you will only get to see the 1 or 2 that made it through peer review with her best friends but still. It's going to be a keeper.

[–]Calebrox1240 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

You say "never initiate," but does that include texting first? I usually let her text me first, but I feel like if I keep doing that, she'll just give up.

[–]Rowdy_Rutabaga0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

No man, text her. Just don't ask for nudes per text. Ask in person and reap the rewards.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

Is this seriously news to anyone? Yeah this is well articulated but most of this shit should have been figured out in high school, I would think. Don't put pussy on a pedestal, and it fucks with their heads and creates interest. Only reward good behavior that suits your purposes and disregard all other behavior. Never make pussy a priority, only your success and personal growth. Wash, rinse, repeat.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

For all the guys who "swallow" the pill, land their fabled unicorn, then 6 months later write a FR about AWALT, I think this serves good reminder to help them stay grounded and avoid making emotionally based decisions about how good their women are.

Lots of new users will continue to struggle with their feelings toward women and I want this post to give them a routine to keep it at bay.

I know, my post isn't news, it's just re-writing/re-phrasing standard concepts for another generation.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Ah, my bad. Good on you. It's easy to forget lots of guys grew up straight blue pill addled.

[–]Gugulen10 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It is to me. I was raised to be demure to a fault, and that's a problem when you're trying to pick up college chicks. Maybe this isn't news to you, but the first part of this post hit me like a train, and I realized that I was guilty of oversharing, being obsequious, and generally acting like a beta around women. This post was very useful to me.

[–]WolfofAnarchy4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

One huge disagreement here is that you did this for women. That you lifted for women, that you Made Your Life Great Again because of women. That's bullcrap. You do it because you deserve it. Because that's a life. It's no life being fat and mentally unstable.

You did it, but you did it for yourself. not for her.

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[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

+1 for teh spectrum gang reference

[–]SoSconed6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

OP is just tweaking on a 3 day speed binge and needs to release some anger of his unsuccessful weekend on the prowl by spitting some RP knowledge

[–]1dongpal0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

look, a women gives advice!

oh wait.

[–]jiveturkeysammich1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I come here just for the acronyms.

[–]Luckyluke231 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

And it’s exactly because they put in SO LITTLE EFFORT compared to you that they don’t deserve any preferential treatment like your good friends.

so you are saying you SHOULDN'T reward her for this reason.

great post man i learnt a lot from this thanks

[–]StevenTM1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

How exactly is this not breaking the "remain sexless when posting" rule?

[–]MK_D1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This reads insecure and brodudeish... Too much pua.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I might add moreover that the key with women is listening. Women love to talk. Listen to them, and cross-reference what they say. Do make an effort to care.

This post is truly absurd in that it treats women like barbarians.

[–]x7e21 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

heres the text (minus formatting) since it seems he bitched out and deleted it

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

Mods removed it

I didn't bitch out at all

[–]StillSwallowingTheRP0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks for the text version, appreciate it!

So much good shit wasted..

[–]daskaninchen0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

nice, well have to put it to test and see what we get. good post mate

[–]i4mn300 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Solid post. Nicely written. And the part and the blog linked for the performance part - totally spot on truth.

[–]traveldeedee0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The red list is just.. so classic. Textbook lesson! Good job OP!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Once you become the alpha you want to become, you will laugh at just how pathetic the average BP beta maggot chump acts around any girl he sees. You understand why it is such a turn off and why they're so obviously fucking it up.

[–]Gugulen10 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Wow. The part about the introduction hit me like a train. I've been doing this wrong for years, and I didn't even know I was sabotaging myself. Thanks OP.

[–]coffee_340 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This is a good fucking post.

[–]PawnToKing0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

And if you’re reading this, I surely hope you’re not trying to get in his pants. If so, you’re a Confused Cuck in the Closet [CCC] and you’re in the wrong subreddit. We talk about dick in vaginas here in the main sub, not dicks in hands (that’s askTRP).

Would love to hear you explain how TRP is only for straight dudes.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It isn't

The main sub primarily is.

That's why there's altTRP (link on sidebar)

[–]glockbtc-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Always remember that they're just 3 holes on 2 legs.

[–]Rowdy_Rutabaga-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

I picture this dude in his command center watching my free cams with a 3 month fuzz of a nut beard because no matter how much he shaves it always comes back as curly pubes. Probably 34 years old, out of shape and blames his mother for making him hate women.

Listen people. Women are easy to talk to. They are people just like your best friend. Yes, "I want to fuck your brains out" is going through your head a thousand times a second when you meet a hot chick that you want to fuck the brains out of. Being a man though is suppressing that thought long enough to talk to a human like such. A human.

My best tip to everyone that is a true red pill believer. Act like you belong there. It shows confidence and women are attracted to it. Don't overpower, just put your foot in the door. Engage in conversation and ask questions about the topic at hand. It isn't hard to do. Then after enough questions that give you a background state your intents. Say, "I like you, would you like to have dinner with me tomorrow?" Make sure it is tomorrow, Not some time or next week. Say tomorrow, and mean it. Right there you can see if she is into you or not. Think deadlines, not panty dropping, because with the deadlines the panties drop by themselves.

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (0 children) | Copy

We owe women nothing at all. They owe us many things.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

Human beings are not supposed to be polygamous.

This sort of advice will lead to barbarism and the overthrow of civilization.

I do agree that there are guidelines by which a man ought to conduct himself among women. Certainly I try to improve myself and follow those guidelines accordingly.

Nevertheless as a Roman Catholic who strives to obey church teaching on sexual morality, I find this piece altogether scandalous. The profuse profanity and emphatic calls to "have sex with whomever you wish" is exactly the opposite of what God wills.

True masculinity is the opposite of this hedonistic barbarism!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

even if you're trolling

I'll take that as a compliment my writing got you all bloopered up

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You are effectively calling for polygamy. I know the US will legalize it eventually. We've already given our support to other errors.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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