What is the obsession on TRP with working hard?

Atticus_Crowley · 2016-12-09T08:46:19+00:00

I've worked blue collar, not corporate, but one thing that always shocked me, is that if you show up on time, have a good attitude, you can advance easily. Most bosses are happy to find someone who just shows up, handles their shit and doesn't make their life difficult.

Katavasis · 2016-12-09T11:27:55+00:00

Hard work has nothing to do with long hours.

Don't work hard,do hard work.

Get my point?

Take a look at my rant

notveryzen · 2016-12-09T17:53:45+00:00

Why would anyone consciously adopt this loser mentality? Outside of the Fortune 500 bureaucracy, most of this is horrible advice. I run a midsize business (around $50 million annually) and can assure you that smart and hard work are noticed and rewarded. You're gonna get paid whatever you have the leverage to negotiate. The people that work hard and work smart make much more than the guys that are mailing it in and just doing 9-5. If you are stuck somewhere where working hard doesn't pay then get the fuck out of the DMV and go do something that has real upward monetary mobility. Take it from a guy in his 40s, if you're 24 and think living monk mode in a studio apartment and just lifting everyday is going to make you content forever, it won't.

yomo86 · 2016-12-09T07:35:44+00:00

Vasili and others wrote articles on working smart in the corporate labdscape. You are right though but TRP focuses on working hard on yourself ruling your job can be a part of it.

MattyAnon · 2016-12-09T19:03:52+00:00

wow I'm proud of myself becasue I did 20 hrs overtime this week while all the women went home early. Need to pat myself on the back. I'm better than them.".

Yes, this is retarded.

Only work hard if it benefits you.... but really you should do it the other way around: always work hard, and then choose what you'll do with it.

This gets you promoted and into better jobs. Taking the view that "I'll work hard when someone promotes me to do so" is the kind of male-hamstering that gets you nowhere and rightly so. Most people who say "give me a promotion and then I'll start working" will never learn to work hard, and managers know it. They want to see self motivation, and rightly so.

lean the fuck back and do as little as you can get away.

And stay at the bottom forever? No thanks. I worked hard to get where I am today, and if I'd followed this advice I'd still be at the bottom.

Efficiency. Always to the most efficient work first.

You should definitely be visible and work on tasks that are high profile and get good at presenting your talents and efforts.

crimsonpowder · 2016-12-09T15:02:48+00:00

The ability to grind is a rare skill that I can barely find when hiring. Having it makes you rare.

The grinding dumb guy will achieve more than the lazy smart guy.

Hopefully you're smart enough to grind for yourself and not others. Busting your blue collar ass for the man won't profit you anything.

Oz70NYC · 2016-12-09T13:11:17+00:00

It's a balance. Having a strong work ethic means you're able to get shit done and make your will felt in the world. This leads to high self-esteem and is a big part of masculinity (as we are the more active sex).

However, overworking (especially for some one else) is a slave-like mentality. The top corporate people own shit. They aren't staying late stressing out over a task someone else assigned them.

Master your work ethic. You should feel like you're capable of any thing, and because of this live with a mentality of Amused Mastery. You work hard, but in an efficient manner that always provides value for others and a return for yourself.

Don't be a slave.

Joshua44 · 2016-12-09T15:08:15+00:00

The extra hours make sense if you work overtime and stack your money for retirement or at least a decent vacation. It's usually better to do this than to take a 2nd job. It can also make sense if you're learning the business inside and out to get a better job somewhere else or to start your own.

I generally would not recommend it as a way of getting a promotion. IMO the best way to get a promotion is to arrive 30min early, leave 30min late, dress well and be as reliable as the sunrise. I wouldn't necessarily recommend seeking a promotion though. Today most job promotions don't pay enough extra (if any) to justify the additional time, stress, and responsibility. If you want all that put together a business plan, find an investor and start your own business.

Tre_Walker · 2016-12-09T17:07:12+00:00

I know this meant for corporate type jobs but let me say the rabbit hole goes deeper, outside of work in general. Let me preface by saying I am independent financially and need no one to pay my way. In my case I would apply laws 11, 32 & 34 and 40 to an extent outside of the work environment.

In my college marketing courses I learned what I suspected that women have more money than men. Some through hard work but primarily because they take it from men. This is particularly true for divorced women. The Matrix says otherwise and if you are BP you will not believe what I am telling you.

If women take more taxes than men $150,000 worth, live longer and receive a mans money when he is gone, divorce rape to the tune of millions x millions of women. They are holding assets in the trillions.

Life is not as hard as the BP makes it seem for men, if one accepts TRP. Stop working so hard, provide value and live TRP. Women have money and they will spend it on you if you provide what they want. Now if you are BP you will be offended by what I wrote...if not...harm no one and take care of yourself....she certainly will.

[deleted] · 2016-12-09T14:51:13+00:00

Hard work alone is not enough.

You have to charm your way to the top.

logicalthinker1 · 2016-12-10T03:31:02+00:00

A.) working hard looks good to everyone. Bosses absolutely notice who the good workers are and who the lazy shits are. This mean people will respect you as long as you don't "hey guys, look how such a hard worker I am! Gosh I'm so exhausted from being such a good worker."

B.) You should do it for yourself. You owe it to your existence to give your best in all that you do. There is no redo. You can't restart this level. Just go.

cuteman · 2016-12-10T03:31:46+00:00

It's not that working hard = guaranteed success

But the harder you work the more good luck you'll seem to have.

justaskingman7 · 2016-12-09T08:19:42+00:00

The focus on working hard is justified for the sole purpose of reaching your goals sooner, rather than later given the fact we don't have an infinite amount of time so you are maximising productivity.

What you overlook is the working hard BUT SMART... Part of the message. Take your example of working 20 hours overtime. Why would a man do this? For numerous reasons but the one you should be focusing on is that it affords you a few gifts, namely more money but also you're showing an attitude and a work ethic to your employer and others that you don't mind putting in the hard yards and you will go that extra mile and are capable of it. A demonstration of your ability which will lead to inevitable opportunities in regards to promotions and the like.

Let's focus on the money aspect. You work harder and/or more.. You get paid more. Working hard and smarter dictates you take that extra resource of money and re-invest in yourself through better qualifications, better food, more freedom (financial), better quality rest (holidays) and repair/maintenance (ability to afford massages, outings on your day off etc).

Efficiency is a part of working hard and smarter. Given you are working at the most efficient level you can be.. Then you're justified in having a greater work load since you're still not working for nothing (in other words, you're not wasting you're time working as opposed to doing other things because you're still maximising productivity).

It's all about making the most of your time now, for a future goal. Otherwise you're just spinning wheels and going around in circles. Ala working 20 hours overtime every week but blowing it on booze and drugs or tinder dates as opposed to re-investment in self.

Eastuss · 2016-12-09T10:16:37+00:00

I'm in a corporate type blue collar job, the environment is toxic and is meant to over exploit people that always say yes and are the most productive. And what do they earn in return? More unemployment treats because they're given impossible goals that they can't maintain.

I say no, I make no over time, I consider it's the manager's fault if the project fail. Nobody threatens me, I get raises as much as others, and I'm less stressed.

KingRead · 2016-12-09T12:54:39+00:00

It's about principles.

Imagine you had to start a new business, would you partner with someone who was a hard worker or someone who did the bare minimum?

Being a hard worker is a habit. Most people actually only do the bare minimum, and the point is to try and break out of that habit. It also comes down to your character and reputation. Will you be known as the peice of shit that does just enough, or someone who you will ensure they do all that they can.

It could even tie in with regret. If you got fired, wouldn't you feel better knowing you tried all that you could? Instead of wondering afterwards 'what if I just did that 1 more thing'.

And fuck off with saying 'I'll work hard for me not for anyone else'. If you've never worked hard in your life you won't know how. And that is why you will fail in most aspects of your life.

Dr_Axe · 2016-12-09T14:09:38+00:00

The reasons to work hard is primarily because you gain respect and power in the workplace.

Over performing can make you harder to replace.

This is exactly why you over perform though; so that you are able to achieve more negotiating power at the table against your employer and against your other employees so that you can do things like re-negotiate your hours/holidays/wage/promotions through threatening resignation.

Your ultimate goal if you work in corporate is to be irreplaceable to the company so you are able to force your company to give you whatever you want in fear of losing you. I'd suggest reading The 48 Laws of Power by Robert Greene, he has a lot of examples in the book of this situation.

Steeleshitlord · 2016-12-09T15:23:02+00:00

I am working in the trades now. Went out on my own doing residential work, I work 2 weeks a month making the same I did in the corporate world.

The trades are only going to get better. All the guys in it now are getting older. Most trade schools are shut down, they aren't passing on the knowledge. In 5-10 years you will write you own check on some of the trades. Not to mention America specifically is getting lazier by the minute. Anything work involving tough labor with skill makes most run away.

Union quality work has gone to shit, they will hire anyone now. Most union workers are lazy and dumb as a box of rocks. You can rise up the ranks in a company that hires contracts union workers easily if you show up consistently. Go into a union, identify the ones that know their craft, learn get certified etc, and then go on your own.

leviathin99 · 2016-12-10T06:18:39+00:00

This post is complete and utter dogshit. It sounds like someone in college who had never worked a real job, or thinks that is somehow easy to gain a 6-figure job in the corporate world (like the real world is a movie where these jobs come along like cones on a pine tree).

Earth to you moran, if you ever want to be in the top tax bracket you will not sit around and say "I'm going to hold frame at work, and hit the gym afterwards, that will surely get me a promotion over my beta coworkers).

Sorry to sound so irritable but you really sound like a fucking idiot trying to make some terrible coming of age, yet sentimental comedy.

landon042 · 2016-12-09T08:05:59+00:00

someone must have just seen rich pianas new vid too.

on another note, what's the opinion of going the trade route? taking less than 2 years and going straight into work. I'd enjoy voices from guys who did it/in proccess, answering things like what's the best trades

and all types of stuff is appreciated

vandaalen · 2016-12-09T15:07:42+00:00

Nah. Fuck hard work. I rather mostly do what I want to do, but don't give a fuck about collecting wealth.

281threethreeoh8004 · 2016-12-09T23:02:00+00:00

I have to completely disagree with your logic. It might simply be that my corporate job is different based solely on company values, but I've found the exact opposite to be true. I'm in a non-client facing position at a big-4 accounting firm.

It's pretty fucking sweet. I put in my 40-50 hours each week, absolutely bust my ass while I'm there and do whatever I want outside of work. Occasionally I take my work home, sometimes I'll wake up and dedicate a few hours on a Sunday morning, but nothing obscene.

Hard work doesn't have to be defined as working long hours and putting in more time than the rest. It could simply mean making every moment meaningful and a step towards your next goal. If I have writer's block, let me get up and go meet someone I don't already know. Let me go to my director and ask for another project or if there's something else I can do, help collaborate on something, etc.

I've been at my job for a matter of months. I graduated earlier this year with a bachelors degree and beat out two other candidates for this job by being better, being excited, and showing that I wanted it more than anyone else. I'm in line for a promotion within the next two months because I'm killing it. I'm bringing ideas to the table, making inroads with executives, and building my brand within my company.

On the other hand, my intern was just walked out today for having poor work ethic and being bad at her job. She's been here as long as I have, but the commitment is night and day. The growth is unparalleled, and I'm making moves while she's applying for other jobs. There are 2 openings on my team and she couldn't do enough to secure either one. I'm in position to have whichever I want.

It's all about the attitude and coming to work like there's something to prove every single day.

[deleted] · 2016-12-10T00:03:17+00:00

Jesus, I know not everyone can have a job that they enjoy. But if you want to I'm sure you can get job satisfaction out of almost any career.

I love my job, I love every part of it, I literally enjoy what I do. Working extra hours is like saying hey would you like to do more of this for 1.5x or 2x the pay on the weekends?

Find something that you can take pride in, that you feel satisfied with at the end of the day.

vagbutters · 2016-12-10T06:05:24+00:00

As a man who's halfway done with his medical career, I strongly agree with this stuff. I think that it's important to be able to start your own profitable business or enterprise at some point. Making passive income is key to being happy in life.

However, work ethic is very important. Lazy people seldom get far in life. You can be an efficient worker with good work ethic; that is, put in as little time into your work as needed to maximize profits.

IVIaskerade · 2016-12-09T12:20:31+00:00

Hard work is a mindset. You clearly don't have it.

selfsufficientnigga · 2016-12-09T23:12:08+00:00

Praising 'hard work' as opposed to MGTOW method of just slowly coasting is meant to optimize the usage of the #1 resource any of us have, which is the time we have left on this Earth.

Otherwise it might easily happen that you will wake up one day, 60 year old and penniless. And at that time you'll have to expend more energy (considering that you're older, frailer and more likely to be/get sick) into 'just coasting' than it would have cost you to build up some safety when you were younger.

beginner_ · 2016-12-09T16:56:49+00:00

I usually take the extra hours because I like extra money.. But that's just me. If you don't care about the extra money, then might as well just do the standard of what's expected from you.

goldnhorde · 2016-12-09T20:13:05+00:00

I worked my own business for 15 years and lost it all when the market fell out in 2008.

it took me this long, but I am back in the same earning bracket in the corporate sector where they are just cutting me regular checks and I work about half as much as I did when I owned the business.

I feel like a sucker for all that time and wonder what I would be pulling if I had come to corp sooner. There is almost no common sense or work ethic in these people.

everyone wants to be "friends" instead of understanding professional relationships. You show up and accomplish and play straight and dress right and you just get things. oh ... well that and be sure to tell people up front what you are NOT willing to put up with. most of what I do is so low level baby work that I can see why most people get bored and start looking for any distraction they can ... and that's when the stupidity follows ...

Thizzlebot · 2016-12-10T19:07:56+00:00

Instead of busting your ass for others to profit, lean the fuck back and do as little as you can get away.

lol I spend most of my day on reddit. Granted I don't have a corporate job but I'm a big believer on make sure your shit gets done then do whatever the fuck you want. I make myself NEEDED at my job so no one can say shit when I do what I want.

[deleted] · 2016-12-18T04:58:22+00:00

probably because working obsessively hard is seen as a "manly" trait in society, and redpill is obsessed with being "alpha". its not really manly to work harder than you need, and its just a stereo-type created by rich people to keep you being a wage slave. rich people work smart, not hard. they put in way less hours than all their pathetic underlings after they've crawled to the top lol.

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kanyewost · 2016-12-10T02:22:15+00:00

working smart>working hard

Nagicman1 · 2016-12-10T00:51:15+00:00

You guys are just miserable and coping with your shitty lives

Title	What is the obsession on TRP with working hard?
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