How should we run a household post industrial revolution?

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April 15, 2020

I recently read an article by a red pill leaning Christian guy about duties of men vs women in a Christian household. He brought up a great point that I am not sure how to rectify in my mind; but essentially the bible was written thousands of years before the industrial revolution and a household was a place of production. This means your main place of business was in your home with your wife and children, and families were to work together to produce. After the industrial revolution this has all changed, we have the stereotypical view of the 1950s family where the husband goes to the office and the wife stays home and cares for the household. This sort of breaks the natural order of a biblical household in that the man and woman are no longer working side by side, in a way the man is alienated from his household and the wife is alienated from her husband. Furthermore men largely do work for an organization that is not his household whether it be a corporation, a large partnership or the government. I can't help but thinking that households are to some extent less practically useful than they once were, a man could work for a corporation to earn his living and maintain his place of residence without the help of a wife or children. My question is how should a man in the modern era reclaim the model of a biblical household, should a man strive to work for himself instead of a large organization like a corporation? Should a man strive to work in his home near to his wife and family? Or how would it look to take the modern work culture of going to the office away from the family and also maintain a biblical household of man and wife working together in a natural way?

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Title How should we run a household post industrial revolution?
Author KongKing13
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Date 15 April 2020 08:10 PM UTC (1 year ago)
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[–]slappysq2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

IMO we should strive to work at home whether for your own business or for a larger organization.

[–]Deep_Strength3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

The Masculinist has a good article analyzing this phenomena: The Masculinist #26: The fall of the household

If you are leading your wife and family and making sure they are on the road to sanctification with you then it doesn't matter in my opinion. You're already way ahead of the game as most men don't know or are lazy.

Deuteronomy 6 reinforces this point with the husband/father being the leader of the family and teaching it to his children. Most Christians nowadays think it's up to the Church or school to be educating their families to great destruction. Nothing replaces the husband and father role.

I think a husband/father working from home is ideal and maybe the wife staying home with the kids and/or working part time with the focus being on the household, but even in the non-ideals you can live a Christ-centered and Christ-honoring life.

[–]KongKing13[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

That article was really good, is there a place I can go to read the rest of this guys work?

[–]Deep_Strength1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

All of the issues are listed near the bottom. Sign up for the newsletter too. Support him if you are able.

One of his newsletters was incorporated into my book for men, and he helped a lot with it.

[–]spudly_oz1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

2nd and 3rd books here give a really helpful framework and lots of practical advice -

[–]Willow-girl0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

I think a big problem in modern times is that men have nothing to do when they come home from work. Most of the masculine chores have been outsourced nowadays -- a lawn service cuts the grass, oil-change places services the car, etc.

Now, a woman's work hasn't really changed all that much -- she still has to tidy up, do laundry and mind the kids, so she's busy when she gets home from work. Meanwhile, the man (whose tasks have already been performed by ... other men) sits on the couch, chillin'. This naturally breeds resentment in the wife, who would like to be chillin', too, but would feel guilty if she neglected her duties.

I think men need to make an effort to find something to do while the wife is busting her hump! It doesn't mean you have to put on pink rubber gloves and wash the dishes, but ... do something. Surely there are some minor repairs needed around the place ... a burned-out light bulb, a sticky drawer?

Or the garage ... quite frequently the garages in the UMC plan homes that I clean are a disaster, because the wives perceive the garage to be a 'male space' and thus don't feel the same compulsion to keep the garage clean as their home. So go to town in the garage ... you can even buy fancy-dancy storage systems to install to keep everything orderly.

TL;DR: don't just sit on the couch like a lump.

[–]KongKing13[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

I'm kind of looking at it from a broader perspective, since the 1950s granted a woman's work in the home hasn't changed, but since the 1850s a woman's work has radically changed, men and women once had to make virtually all of the things in their house. We now purchase all the things in a our house and produce virtually nothing that we use on a daily basis. There are some major changes that have occurred since the 1950s as well, many men aren't home enough to do any of the work around the house, for example in the industry that I am in 70-80 hour work weeks are common, working at that rate its simply not possible to do work around the house.

[–]Willow-girl0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

It's more difficult for sure. I work a lot, myself (in normal times. Part-time for now as two of my three jobs are offline due to Covid).

Do you love your job, or are you yearning for a change from it?

For about 20 years, I've lived a lifestyle that is sometimes referred to as modern homesteading ... kind of an offshoot of the back-to-the-lander movement of the 1970s. We heat with wood, grow a lot of our food, generally try to be as frugal and self-sufficient as possible. My man gets to be a manly man, lol.

I think it's easier, living this way, to see and value your spouse's contribution because it's very tangible. You see them doing the actual work ... not working to earn a paycheck to pay someone else to do the work. KWIM?

Now, I'm not saying this is for everyone, though it certainly works for us ...

[–]KongKing13[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I am sort of at the start of my career and haven't jumped in with full force yet but I imagine its what I'll be doing for the long term. However I do find the modern homesteading concept to be interesting.

[–]Willow-girl1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

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