Why did I have better luck with women when I lived as a degenerate loser?

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April 18, 2020

Was sending some old Snapchat memories of me from a year ago to a girl I've been fucking. A year ago, I had a bad downward spiral with drugs. These videos I was sending were of me doing wild shit, like at a moshpit at a concert, me standing on the edge of a 5 story parking garage with a blunt, me with friends going hard to music, partying, etc. Had longer hair and more of a grimy look. I've had run-ins with drugs before, this time it got bad and I went to rehab to clean my life up.

Girl says "Watching these are making my pussy wet." Said that wild side of me is so hot. The implications of this being that I was more sexually attractive when I was strung out on hard drugs and didn't give a fuck about anything. She has a point though, I had much better luck with women then.

Is this the penultimate blackpill or something? That trying to stay clean, off drugs, out of jail, just isn't as sexy to women? What do you think I'm "missing" that I had back then during that dark phase of my life which ended in 2 arrests and rehab that can be "replicated" now?

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Title Why did I have better luck with women when I lived as a degenerate loser?
Author jubilantjack57
Upvotes 84
Comments 87
Date 18 April 2020 03:37 PM UTC (1 year ago)
Subreddit askTRP
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/654029
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[–]Saladin19138 points139 points  (3 children) | Copy

I think u have your answer it's in the description "you didn't give a fuck"

Coming out of rehab walking the straight path isnt less sexy, but be wild and unforgiving in other aspects of your life..

But for now in the times of quarantine just rest and chill out dude

[–]jubilantjack57[S] 61 points62 points  (1 child) | Copy

Sounds like what you're saying is to violate quarantine and expose myself to the virus to get back in touch with my wild side. Thank you dude, wish me luck.

I kid. Thanks.

[–]Saladin1926 points27 points  (0 children) | Copy

Haha no that's not what I meant I meant be a wild unforgiving in the gym or go crazy in climbing like pick a hobby and destroy it you certainly can you sound like someone dedicated

Anyway I hope you were kidding I still felt it had to be said :-p

[–]hanzkloss2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Also, consider the fact that his life is in order and he is taking his life seriously. Women are hesitant of getting with men who have their lives together because they will feel the need to get off the hoe path and reform their ways to be with him. Unlike Obama, women are scared of change.

[–]when_its_too_late37 points38 points  (13 children) | Copy

Personally, I had a phase in my life where I went wild in college, after a flunked out I tried to get my shit together. Got new friends and clawed my way out. Stopped drinking and doing stupid stuff. Some girls would ask questions about my past and some would think that we cool but "it's good you're in the right path"...

Yeah that's all bullshit. Most of the people I know who are still suck in that life get laid every day by a new bitch. Me? Not so much. But honestly I don't care for sex as much, I've found myself and know how to go with the flow.

[–]Returnofthemack326 points27 points  (11 children) | Copy

That lifestyle gets you laid for sure, but the girls that are into that don't make for quality ltrs. If you're just trying to bang then it's fine

[–]when_its_too_late8 points9 points  (6 children) | Copy

I'm going my own way for now :) and I'm extremely happy.

[–]rockyp322 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy

Im realizing thats kinda how were meant to be. People fap and shit or try to get a quick fuck. But when you can restrain urself fully and just retain youll build a much better life and eventually youll find a woman.

[–]when_its_too_late7 points8 points  (4 children) | Copy

I still fap, I just stopped caring

[–]rockyp321 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

It’s a lot tougher to not fap as well but you will be rewarded man.

[–]when_its_too_late7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy

I have a pretty high libido so I doubt I'll bother.

[–]rockyp32-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

That’s cause ur used to fappin all the time that’s not sex drive that’s just ur dopamine addiction. After a while it comes under control plus your drive gets way higher and you can that sex drive into other things

[–]when_its_too_late6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

No you don't get it. I litteraly don't care. Sometimes it's 2-3 times a week sometimes it's once in a month. I'm past caring about "trying". Oh this will help or try this and try that. Time to for all of you to ascend into trueIDGAF.

[–]Sonny_Luna-3 points-2 points  (3 children) | Copy

LTRs are lame, though. Fucking the same girl long term? How is that fun?

[–]donkongmdk16 points17 points  (2 children) | Copy

Not trying to be disrespectful here, but you know, as humans we can develop emotions/feelings for a person we like. Yeah okay girls are all hypergamous, so what? Some people want to fuck every girl in the market,other people want to fuck only quality girls (there are,trust me),of course it will be more difficult, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be fun. Real Fun doesn't revolve in fucking women (whether quality or not), but with being in touch with your inner self and your goals/beliefs. That,to me, is what makes life "fun".

[–]lord_juhabach1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

The thing about those quality girls is that you can never fully trust them. Do you really think think those quality girls aren’t talking to other guys on the side, or that other guys aren’t trying to approach or talk to them. LTR or not, it’s better to be selfish and focus on yourself and don’t invest too much in them. Let them earn their position and be indifferent towards any woman.

[–]donkongmdk0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If your girl is talking to other dudes while she's in a ltr with you, it's your fault,remember that. Dig her guts out like a man, and let's see if she wants to talk to other dudes.

[–]Ill_mumble_that2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I don't care for sex as much

Either denial, or tired wrists

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon56 points57 points  (6 children) | Copy

What do you think I'm "missing" that I had back then during that dark phase of my life which ended in 2 arrests and rehab that can be "replicated" now?

If you're fun and dangerous you're exciting.

If you're safe you're beta.

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[–]IterMercator1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Just a thing as well, if you got drugs and are pulling junkie chicks, it's most likely they just want to use their body to get drugs from you

[–]FrenCan31616 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy

It reminds her of her daddy

[–]AxP314 points15 points  (4 children) | Copy

The reality of your new life hasn’t set in quite yet, because you have not fully replaced your previous behavior with similar behaviors in nature minus the drugs. You’re still that guy, aside from the fact you don’t do drugs. Now you will need to do other things so you can again stumble upon the part of you that’s more into risk, danger and challenge.

A woman finds the guy standing at the edge of a 5-story building attractive as she finds the guy who takes her skydiving, because they both expand her boundaries in ways she wouldn’t have believed she was able to do. What’s new to her excites her, keeps her thinking. The woman who’d find the IDGAF attitude attractive also would a guy who is more successful than her and who is uninhibited by her. He does him. Sometimes it’s just a new fucking position.

Don’t look at the thing itself (her being attracted to that pic), but at its nature. Instead of thinking that nothing else but that can now turn women on, you would think that every behavior women find attractive has a certain nature - dominant, strong, doesn’t take her seriously, prioritizes himself over her, etc. When you did those things, you exhibited that nature. Now, there are a million other ways to exhibit that nature in actually productive ways which do not ruin your life (and your SMV in the years to come) - working out, focusing on a given career, pursuing your other goals, educating yourself and so forth.

It’s okay, brother. You have had a challenging year. Quitting drugs and dealing with the aftermath of your perhaps consequential actions is enough to wear you down temporarily (which would explain less interested women and self-doubt), but you will come out better on the other side.

[–]LethalShade4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

You nailed it. Plenty of dudes that do drugs, party and do dumb shit that don't get laid.

[–]asskisser1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

i resonate with this

[–]jubilantjack57[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Hey, thank you for writing all of this, it really spoke to me. I think I've been playing it "too safe" since I went down that road. You're very right that I need to transition those attractive qualities I had into a healthy and fulfilling sober life.

[–]AxP30 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Also be careful not to look for the validation of women whose priorities are fucked. Your previous behaviors were validated by women who themselves are torn and look to escape through momentary pleasure, as you did.

Now you don’t, so those women are not of much interest to you, outside of the most casual.

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[–]ENTPunisher3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy


[–]jzekyll60 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy


[–]Thefreeman91116 points17 points  (21 children) | Copy

Perhaps you should consider the kinds of people you attract?

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (19 children) | Copy

every girl I have ever talked to finds this type of guys extremely hot. no matter how the guy looks and how much money he makes.

I assume you are a bit older ?

[–]Thefreeman91132 points33 points  (16 children) | Copy

LOL don't make assumptions. I'm in my early twenties. I usually notice girls attracted to drug addicts are low quality themselves.

It only takes logic to figure that one out.

[–]antariusz1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

ALL girls are aroused by the same thing... Males that don't give a fuck about societal rules and will do whatever it is they want.

Attraction and arousal are 2 different things.

I prefer to be arousing rather than attractive.

[–]rockyp322 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Both are true woman will be attracted to them but wont fuck them if there not high quality.

[–]FinallyRed0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Attraction is not dependent on quality of character by and large, only the actions taken upon it. And most girls you think of as quality have acted in ill-advised ways based on those urges a time or two more than they'll ever be willing to tell you about.

[–]Returnofthemack35 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Selection bias man. When you party a lot, you meet girls that party a lot. Especially when you're really young.

[–]LethalShade0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Which part? He just described doing interesting things and having an active social life. I would indeed assume that girls find this interesting.

[–]Sonny_Luna0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

So some women are attracted to boldness and others aren’t?

Are you saying it’s NAWALT?

[–]Pooddit6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Because women are not the goal here. Getting a woman wet doesn't mean you are winning. Nature is nature, doesn't mean you are doing the best thing for you as a man. Pussy has been getting wet for millions of years. Does that mean you are inferior to ape man who throws his own shit, if you aren't making women wet anymore? If you follow the path of Good Orderly Direction, you'll have such a way about you, women will be there for what you want, when you want it

Download tiktok and spend 10 minutes every day watching this girls twerk and point at their vaginas or whatever. At first it's like, heck yeah. Then after a week, it's like, ok lets see if I can find a girl with personality, or some kind of value. It's cultivating abundance in your mind so you stop being so thirst and start using your brain.

Women are just like us, except they have their female biological drives and female biology. They can be just as stupid and worthless as the drug addicts they fuck. Don't be mad at nature, nature is dumb. Hack that shit to get what you want when you want it.

Low tier women chase druggies because they have a modicum of what women are looking for in men: winners in a hierarchy. Druggies and other scofflaws adhere to no rules, thus they are winners in their hierarchy. But they really aren't worth a shit. They just know how to hack the system. They have confidence because they are number one in a hierarchy that only has them in it or is just worthless druggies.

Wealthy beta male engineer 25 year olds who give most of their 100K+ income to their family or let it sit in the bank, or spend it on dumb consumerism shit are the inverse of the druggie fuck boy scofflaw who drives a ratty motorcycle and has a bandana. One has tremendous value but doesn't know how to use it. The other has no value but knows how to hack the system.

The beta could use his money to create a biker club and be the top dog and get all the pussy. But he's a dumbass. I'm ranting.

[–]W_O_M_B_A_T2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

There's hardly a shortage of similarly self-destructive degenerate women.

They felt comfortable with your lifestyle. (Ahem, I mean they're there for free weed, drugs, and parties.)

Plus there's a lot to be said for codependency in women, especially if they don't have their own fucked up children to boss around.

[–]SteveSan822 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Low quality women like drug using drunks who do stupid shit.

[–]DerekMorganBAU1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It be like that sometimes. You can be wild and shit just in spades

[–]ya_stepdaddy1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Think in terms of energy. Your Bad ass risk taking alpha energy vs whatever you are now. Either way a broad is gonna feed off your strength

[–]betatest20201 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It’s the I don’t give a fuck attitude, not the actual drugs and loser part.

[–]QueenSlapFight2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Same reason that women respond more positively to me if I lie about my career and say I do something dead end or dumb. I'm clearly not Mr. Right if they don't think I can be beta bux, so they consider if I'm a good Mr. Right Now. If they know I have a good career their legs snap shut because they don't want to look like a slut, because they want to lock me down.

Remove any possibility of a long term future with you and you'll be judged solely on if you'd make a good short term fling. Give indication that you might be a good long term provider and they'll start playing the long game.

[–]BruhMoment458860 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Cant you be mostly sober and mostly follow the law and still be exciting and risky?

You're probabaly being too anal

[–]proactive-defense0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You probably had less supplicative behaviour, and more dominant behaviour.

[–]Miroku80 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You were hunting for the same thing they were; dopamine, instant gratification, thrill. The things that feel good in life that are easy.

You probably won’t attract the same women now that you are on the straight an narrow.

[–]sebastianconcept0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If you are trying to purge the toxicity of your past, it’s natural that life would test that you really can do that. That girl comes from that toxic past and she was attracted to that version of your ego. She evokes what she misses. But now you have a prerogative.

I suggest you hard next that girl and keep making of yourself a man of higher value that will attract better women. That’s the most intelligent way to use hypergamy: use it to make of yourself the son you would want to have if you yourself were your father. Keep yourself in the line. Quality women can join you eventually. Have fun with plates meanwhile.

[–]DeepNutted0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That lifestyle attracts women, no doubt.

Until you're dead, break your neck, start having mental problems, get lung cancer or age. That stuff doesn't look so cool or attract a high caliber of women when you're 50.

RP is about living healthy through diet, career, relationships, exersize and having sex. It's more long term.

Don't ever think you need to replicate bad habits to get ladies. It might be easier and more fun, but trust me, you pay a price for that shit later.

[–]scissor_me_timbers000 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah it’s pretty black pill man. The younger gen of girls are so whored out. They got all their priorities screwed up. It’s a broken generation. Think of our grandparents generation. Sure some of those women would be turned on by a broken lifestyle guy, but the vast majority would not. I remember going to a rap concert last summer and it was mostly under 25 kids there. I’m over 25. It was pretty dark. Most guys just looked like drugged losers or confused and clueless. The girls mostly looked like straight up hookers. And my city isn’t even “hood”, it’s kinda bougie.

[–]_DAMU_0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This was me 8 months ago when I began to drink heavily..I'm still haunted by the girl that told me she's never had a guy cum on her face..I was just focused on the wine bottle she was drinking.

[–]le_wolfe0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

That trying to stay clean, off drugs, out of jail, just isn't as sexy to women?

If you're doing all this to get laid, then you'd better go back to doing drugs. I think you read too much into all this self-improvement porn.

What might have worked earlier was this: You were your own mental point of origin. Along with some IDGAF and risky behavior. Who knows?

[–]jubilantjack57[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Didn’t mean to frame the question in that way but I see your point. Thanks

[–]iamdexter120 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You were doing things that the common man wasn't.

Being less pitiful about your past and owning it when talking to women. Be mysterious.

Don't show women that you are trying to change out of desperation, keep it to yourself.

Back then, you were less needy and also fearless which gave women tingles lol.

Stay lawful and read the sidebar.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Causation doesn't equal correlation.

Could be something completely different. Maybe you aren't even less "succesful" than now and your memory is playing games on you.

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

So what? There is a slut that gets wet seeing someone do retarded shit landing him in jail.

[–]sir_shitfuck0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Because most women are degenerate losers too lol

[–]MikeOTren0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

First of all there is no luck with girls. That's what the red pill is all about. You can explain it all. I hate it when guys say "I got lucky". No you dambass. You did something the girl picked on as alpha and turned her on or you were the right guy on the right place at the right time (for example being the beta provider when a woman gets into her Epiphany Phase).

Now coming to your case. What you are experiencing is normal. Girls are turned on by the dark triad personality traits(psychopathy, narcissism, machiavellianism) or what the blue pill normies call "being a bad boy". This is especially attractive for girls that are pre-epiphany as you display the alpha fucks of hypergamie.

Let me guess. The girl you are talking about is younger than 24. I guess 22.

[–]Returnofthemack3-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Have you even read the side bar? Furthermore, you do realize the confirmation bias that you're currently engaging in, right? Those were loose party girls who were probably mentally unstable and into drugs/partying. Aka not quality women.

If you're still selecting for girls that are into that lifestyle, then I'm not sure what's confusing about this. There are tons of girls that would straight up look down on you for living that lifestyle, even a hard deal breaker for some

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[–]Noodlesoupe22 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

HV to a woman usually means “not boring”. A unemployed guy who sits in his moms basement playing vidya is low value. A guy with a decent job and house but no hobbies and hates his life is low value. A millionaire who goes jet skiing every weekend is HV. And a crazy party boy druggie who actually seems to love life is HV. The key is loving life and not giving a fuck

[–]MGTOW_BEASTMODE-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

You didn't give a fuck and that is misinterpreted as "confident"

[–]Rock_Granite-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

women are attracted to the filth. Normal/productive men turn the females off. You'd get laid like tile if you had a felony for violence on your record.

[–]wyota-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

Now that you're off drugs you're gonna be having far less frequent sex with far more attractive women that aren't aroused by degeneracy like those nasty trailer hos

[–]jubilantjack57[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Lmao fair enough

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