TheRedArchive needs help
With 700,000+ posts and 16,000,000+ comments archived, and new Red Pill content being added every week, keeping TheRedArchive alive and discoverable to everyone is starting to become very costly. As a 20-year-old student who just moved out and is living independently for the first time, keeping TheRedArchive alive is beginning to cost me much more than I thought.

Therefore, if you appreciate the website, have gained a lot of knowledge and insight from it, and want to show your appreciation, you can do so by donating any amount that you want via the options below. The money will be used on the expensive monthly host bill and any future maintenance of the website.
Thank you, and I wish you all a successful 2021 and a good luck with achieving your goals and dreams!

Best, /u/dream-hunter

Simon of Cyrene?

Reddit View
April 17, 2020
4 upvotes

So I came across Simon in the Gospel according to Luke, where he helps Jesus carry the cross. How come he only appears in Luke? Whereas John and others say that Jesus carried it all the way by himself? I’ve done some research but was hoping to get some further clarification and see your take on it.


Post Information
Title Simon of Cyrene?
Author operationveritas
Upvotes 4
Comments 7
Date 17 April 2020 09:59 PM UTC (10 months ago)
Subreddit askRPC
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/654154
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/askRPC/comments/g3bhct/simon_of_cyrene/
Similar Posts
Comments

[–]Deep_Strength6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Why are there differences in the gospels:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aF6_zwYVa3A

TL;DR. Ancient biography (including secular authors like Plutarch) use different forms of literary devices such as transferal, time compression, and others to get straight to the point sometimes. For instance in one gospel where Jesus heals the centurion's servant, in one gospel the centurion visits Jesus and asks Him to heal the servant and in another he sends the elders of the Jews and then more servants while Jesus was on the way. This account shows both time compression and transferal (the account where the centurion came to Jesus is shorted to get to the point of the story, but what actually probably happened was like the other account said).

Plutarch did this in some of his Roman biographies which are contemporaneous, and we have similar circumstances happening even now today when you hear the guy and girl versions of the stories. Guys usually like to get to the point whereas girls want all the details.

There's tons of these differences (not contradictions) littered throughout the gospels.

[–]El0vution1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Is the first “contradiction” you’ve ever come across in the Bible or even the life of Christ? There are thousands more - keep reading. You might want to google “literary criticism of New Testament” - scholars have spent hundreds of years analyzing the amazing history of the development of the scriptures.

[–]Continuous-Metanoia1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Hmm, where does John specifically say "he carried it all by himself"?

[–]operationveritas[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

That’s what I’m trying to get some clarification on

[–]Continuous-Metanoia1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

You made the specific claim that John wrote "he carried it all by himself". Not sure where it says that.

Let's say I went to the grocery store and two men came along and wrote reports of what I did there:

Report 1: Continuous-metanoia went to the store and bought pineapples.

Report 2: Continuous-metanoia went to the store with his son and bought pineapples.

Both reports are true. Just because the 2nd report adds more information does not make the 1st report any less true. Likewise for the gospels.

[–]operationveritas[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You’re right, I’ll get round to reading them properly soon.

[–]UpTanks0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Here's a fun fact: He appears in 3/4 gospels under different references.

Mark adds "Simon the father of Alexander and Rufus". Whereas Luke and Matthew refer to him 'Simon of Cyrene'.

Luke/Matthews mainly Jewish audience would've associated more with Cyrene the town. While Mark's (Roman gentile Christians) actually knew who Alexander and Rufus were (missionaries). Some hold that its the same Rufus (and his mother) also mentioned in the book of Romans.

How crazy would it be to be ministered to by the sons of the guy who carried Jesus' cross?

With John as Deep Strength said, he wanted to cut to the chase.



You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

© TheRedArchive 2021. All rights reserved.

created by /u/dream-hunter