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You're not a beta becoming an alpha. You're an alpha recovering from a fucking disease!

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Today I had a fucking epiphany.

I've always thought of myself, deep down in my subconcious, as a beta. No matter what I was trying to do, I was a beta, because I was thinking so of myself.

I made some money... still a beta, cause why not? I somehow fucked some girls... still a beta, cause why not? Worked out, dieted, turned my body into a fucking anciet greek sculpture... still a beta in my mind, cause why not?

No matter what I did, I was a beta. No matter how better I got and how much I advanced, I was still a beta and I was to remain a beta, whatever great achievement I might've had.

Because I was brainwashed into it!

This my simple epiphany. We are brainwashed by the society to think very lowly of ourselves, the government wants us as manipulable as possible, so they instill these thoughts in us ever since we're kids.

We, as men, we naturally are alphas, thanks to our biology, thanks to our dick, balls and endocrine system and thanks to our anatomy, we're BUILT BY NATURE to conquer, or at least to relentlessly try to conquer as best as possible.

There's not one single motherfucker out there, who's a natural born beta, there isn't such a thing.

Think of it this way: you start out as an alpha by nature the moment you're born, and your anatomy is there to confirm it. Then, with each passing day, society, friends, family, the government, the massmedia, social media, start fucking with you, a little here, a little there while you're growing up, instilling certain retarded, against your nature thoughts in your brain, which don't benefit you, but benefits them, until you forget your true, masculine, animalistic, conquering nature, thus, you become a little puppet.

This is why you always feel an interior conflict, this is why usually you feel anxiety and depression. You KNOW who you are, deep down. You very well know what the fuck you feel like doing and saying, there's a little voice and instinct in your head that you feel like you should follow because it's gonna turn out good. But just before starting to follow that instinct, you start thinking... "but what if he thinks I'm a weirdo cause I didn't laught at his joke? Better start fake laughing", "but what if she thinks that I'm not a good boy that she can trust, better not tell her how retarded she sounds", that's the voice of your fake beta that has been instilled in you, taking over your natural alpha instincts.

Retarded ideologies which go against rationality and biology: feminism, gay acceptance, veganism, fat acceptance.

Cheap pleasures such as: 24/7 pornography, junk food, sugar, on demand pointless entertainment (netflix, youtube, tik tok).

Stupid bandaids: anti-depressive pills, pushing any sort of medicine down your throat, getting you addicted to xanax and all that shit.

Mind games: the purposeful lack of certain education, the purposeful miseducation in some areas, slave 9-5 working making you believe you're a champion, meanwhile you're making some other dude rich.

They want you to be a mindless zombie. "Don't brag, be humble" "Stop judging people" "Accept them for who they are". They want you to have no personality. To be like a falling leaf, floating in whatever direction the wind blows.

They feed you cheap pleasures. Junk food. Stupid entertainment. Crap medicine. Filling your brain with cheap dopamine. Keeping you docile, like a tranquiliezed lion in a cage.

You think you're a good man, because you believe in God, you go to work, you get your monthly salary, you fuck your wife and raise your kids, which you do... but you're doing it on their terms. You're not free, you're theirs, until you break out of this mental pattern.

Fuck them. The only way out of the cage is by forming your OWN opinions. You don't like fat people? Good, me neither, fuck them, fat shame them until they lose weight. You don't like hobos? Good, me neither, fuck them, they should go to work and not beg like some losers.

STAND FOR SOMETHING. If you don't stand for something, any fucking thing at all, there's gonna be an empty spot inside you waiting to be filled. It's gonna be filled by something else and someone else, unless YOU FILL IT FOR YOURSELF.

You're not a beta trying to become alpha. You're an alpha recovering from a fucking disease!


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Title You're not a beta becoming an alpha. You're an alpha recovering from a fucking disease!
Author zav25
Upvotes 1032
Comments 112
Date 09 May 2020 08:33 AM UTC (5 months ago)
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[–]NaughtyFrenchie93 points94 points  (10 children) | Copy

Internalizing "betaness" is an adaptative, evolutionary response. Basically, the feedback you get during childhood, and especially teenage years, shapes an internal image of yourself. Depending if you were called handsome, strong, good at sports, or if you were bullied, mocked, disrespected, you will see yourself differently. Alpha or beta, but really it's more like a wide spectrum, and in most cases people (rightly) consider themselves not alpha or beta but average. This is actually an extremely useful mechanism for fitness in society. Remember that for 99% of the time humanity has been around, there was very little social mobility. So if you were a medieval peasant and you developped an overly confident image of yourself, and you challenged the lord, chances are you'd be dead. Know your worth, know your place, and you're much safer. Same if you're a skinny guy in a tribe, if you see yourself stronger than you are and challenge a powerful guy, you'll likely get crushed. Also, having an accurate image of yourself is especially crucial when it comes to mating: you're much more likely to successfully reproduce if you have reasonable expectations than if you aim for the hot girl because you see yourself as more alpha than you really are and think you have a chance. Note: actually, people usually always see themselves as a little bit more beta than they are, because as with most survival mechanisms, false positives are less dangerous than false negatives.

Now of course this mechanism is pretty outdated. In the current world, people have the option to better themselves and become more alpha. You can work out, you can have a brilliant career, you can network with the right people etc, so the internal image of yourself you build in your teens is usually outdated in your adult life. But unfortunately you can't get rid of it so easily, and it leads to a lot of trouble, like the sort of imposter syndrome you're describing in your post.

[–]1zav25[S] 26 points27 points  (7 children) | Copy

Great reply my brother, I appreciate it.

We do live in different times, and as you said, our survival mechanism is lagging a bit. We have to fight it using our conscious and rational mind as best and as much as we can, we literally have to "reprogram" our subconcious, as cliche as that sounds.

This might be the hardest shit I've ever tried in my life now that I think about it. Way harder than building a great body and lifting hundreds of pounds, for sure.

[–]FSWMidAtlantic45 points46 points  (5 children) | Copy

This is a really valuable post...and as the father of 10 & 8 yo boys

I feel very grateful for your framing of the issue as one of education, specifically the “anti-maleness” conditioning that is all around them.

Other parents frequently ask me how I “get” my boys to do things like

  • go on 5 to 7 day camping trips in National Parks

  • build a tree house with the specific goal of burning it down

  • practice their musical instruments

  • organize & execute clothing drives for children detained by ICE

  • be top athletes in all their sports while also showing zero arrogance and a great helping attitude towards kids who might be less skilled

  • be top students while also showing a great attitude toward kids who aren’t totally grasping it

(h/t here to JORDAN PETERSON, whose “12 rules for life” really drove home the point about how boys thrive at the intersection of order and chaos)

...and for a while, whenever people would ask me “gosh, you get your boys to do so much” i always thought of it as kinda scraping away layer after layer of crappy paint on a chair

To try and get at the beautiful, rich wood underneath

And your post helps me better identify some of the forces we are all working against.

[–]thesoloronin12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy

Great on you for being a great masculine figure at home for your boys man.

But I'd also like to add that some dudes jump on the hate bandwagon of following Jordan Peterson for being Purple Pill. NO. Aligning with JBP's teachings isn't being Purple, but rather it's a proven and effective strategy for being a decent human being BEFORE being Red-Pilled.

True, JBP has some BP idealisation still in him as he was (dare I say) pretty lucky to have met his wife who has a decent, moral upbringing, and in addition to his mastery of behavioural psychology, he never had to go thru what most guys who ended up here did. So what he preaches is like a bonafide Purple Pill ideology.

However, to stay as objective and level-headed as him, REQUIRES one to never had to endure the horrors that led one to the discovery of the Red Pill. Because you can't unsee what you have seen. And if acting in accordance of his teachings to the T, would be to also ignore the fact that women are already in-gear with what is driving men towards his teachings and The Red Pill from the beginning - that the Matrix - the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth - is here and is VERY REAL.

[–]thesoloronin3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I second this!

we literally have to "reprogram" our subconcious, as cliche as that sounds.

As for this part, id like to chime in a little bit here. So where I live, we've entered the soft release of the lockdown and I was back to work for a 1-day-week Friday the day before. And I got dispatched with another middle-aged colleague to go move out some cubicle partitions in the storeroom.

So this partition was housed behind a shelf of heavy boxes containing paper archives, and we know how heavy these are. And they were getting in the way of the partitions only path out, that means we would have to jut the boxes a little further out on the shelves.

Here comes my point: the lockdown had got me into a resources & nutrition preservation mode and I've ditched the daily strength workout for about a month over now and that means, physiologically I should not be able to move them without slightly injuring myself musculoskeletally. My colleague however had some gym equipment at home so he should be more abled than I was.

However, ever since I got RP-ed, and this was just 3 days after my RP anniversary, my mind had since been reprogrammed to more Alpha-ized my body's physiology. I ended up overpowering and outmaneuvered my BP boomer colleague who's twice my age and much heavier by 50 lbs as I managed to jut them boxes with just my shoulder-to-arms as lever. The shelf was 6'6" and there was no ladder for us.

So clearly, the subconscious from beliefs has a profound effect on the body's biochemistry

[–]party_dragon2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Same if you're a skinny guy in a tribe, if you see yourself stronger than you are and challenge a powerful guy, you'll likely get crushed.

Physical strength has never been very important in our evolutionary history since humans split from chimpanzees. Other apes are much stronger. Human strength is our mind, and our social skills.

[–]DerpJungler165 points166 points  (12 children) | Copy

But just before starting to follow that instinct, you start thinking... "but what if he thinks I'm a weirdo cause I didn't laught at his joke? Better start fake laughing", "but what if she thinks that I'm not a good boy that she can trust, better not tell her how retarded she sounds", that's the voice of your fake beta that has been instilled in you, taking over your natural alpha instincts.

Great point you're making here. No matter how alpha I feel, the instinct of being a "nice guy" frequently kicks in when I socialize. Sometimes I don't want people to feel bad, to let them down etc.

However, this doesn't mean we should always behave like egoistic assholes. I don't like fat acceptance but I won't insult a fat person that wants to change.

Part of being alpha is to lift others up, but only if they desire to be lifted. Being embedded to your core and your purpose, while "offering your unique gift to the world" (David Deida).

However, if someone is fat and wants to insult you for being a shredded cunt, then fuck them. Ignore them. You are already 10x the person they are.

[–]TheEgyptianConqueror79 points80 points  (6 children) | Copy

I don't like fat acceptance but I won't insult a fat person that wants to change.

I actually have mad respect for fat people that are actively changing their lives. They've realized they fucked up and are trying to improve themselves. Love it. Total respect. My issue is fat people who still eat 13 cheeseburgers a day or keep trying dad diets and never succeeding since they give up on day 2. The only thing stopping me from destroying those people is that it's super not socially acceptable

[–]Impalmator14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy

Most people will agree with you. Seeking improvement is always worthy of respect. Fat acceptance however is saying that not only having 13 cheeseburgers and a quart of corn syrup for breakfast is fine, but also becoming a barrel of lard and dying of clogged arteries at 23 due to it is fine. Perhaps we should encourage them.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

You might enjoy Reddit's Fatlogic sub, if you want to laugh at what a trainwreck the fat acceptance "movement" has become. (I'd link it, but that's discouraged.)

[–]thesoloronin0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Maybe you could drop me a pm of the link. I’d have a good laugh after a long Saturday here.

[–]Jayfar14-2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy

Not trying to be rude but why do you care? How do you know that fat person doesn’t have high self esteem/ hates themselves? If it not hurting you I don’t know why you care so much? And I’m not fat btw

[–]TheEgyptianConqueror10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

Because it says a lot about you as a person if you can't stop shoveling shit into your face. Lazy and lack of self discipline just to name two. Plus who says you're not hurting me? The strain on the healthcare system from these guys, particularly health insurance companies. These idiots cause my premiums to go up. They cause greater demand for food, causing food prices to go up. In Japan, you have to pay extra into the health system if you're overweight. That's how it should be.

[–]Jayfar140 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

So if someone’s who’s skinny “shovels food in there face” the same as a fat person. I know skinny people who haven’t ate vegetables that weren’t from Chinese in years. Does that apply to them too? Fat people aren’t causing food prices to go up as they mostly eat takeout? You don’t know there problems as I mentioned they could be depressed, have other isssues, etc. Calling someone lazy and fat isn’t gonna get them the help they need. What about those that drink and smoke all day living on government checks? But you can’t tell because they aren’t fat, do you still care? I’m not saying you should promote obesity but you shouldn’t tell them to hate themselves. Im pretty sure you have problems you need to work on (like me) and telling people to quit being lazy isn’t helping. If you aren’t their physical care physician, it shouldn’t worry you. And I’m having a hard time believing obese people make your insurance premiums go up. If that’s the cause all food would be expensive because fat people would buy it without worrying about sales.

[–]1zav25[S] 15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy

Great reply, I completely agree, cheers my brother!

[–]EatTheRichNZ18 points19 points  (0 children) | Copy

Part of being alpha is to lift others up, but only if they desire to be lifted.

Damn, that last half of that sentence hit me hard. Thanks bro.

[–]Impalmator7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Swoleacceptance is where its at fatsos should repent amd return to the path.

[–]johncillo3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I agree 100% with this and I can give you am example. I have a friend that was constantly insulting me while we were playing videogames ocasionally, it got bad so I removed myself from the situation. After some time passed he posted something in our group chat, so I encouraged him to make a blog out of it. The guy did, and now all this resentment was removed all of a sudden. I think a true alpha is meant to construct communities and civilizations, gaining people through respect.

[–]Endorsed ContributorLastRevision35 points36 points  (0 children) | Copy

More than anything, this post highlights the power of owning your framing devices. "Your true self isn't beta! It's alpha! Become who you are!" Sure, whatever works for you- not said as a slight. Literally, use whatever works for you.

Confidence will always be part delusion, because no one stops as what they know they can do- that isn't how the best of us have conquered the world. You always push for more. You believe your own shit- you get drunk on your greatness; walk around high on that wavelength, and you'll be magnetic to both men and women.

Responding to the content of the post- yes and no. Yes, men have always been fed a bunch of bullshit to keep them in line; women too, this is how society works, only producing good women doesn't mean all too much to the people who are controlling our culture at the time present- however, you can always cash in on a cadre of men willing to do what they're told (live as walking ATMs for women who buy what they're told and vote how they're told).

However, how do you account for the men who naturally reject this?

Like a lot of endorsed on TRP, I'm sick of talking about a rigid alpha/beta dichotomy- let's be real, a hot enough woman will make a stone-cold alpha into a beta- but if we're going to suss out the true difference between alpha and beta, it boils down to one's relationship with need- how needy are you? A ten out of ten, gold-star alpha (the kind only in movies) will be needless- a beta, monkey-brain, consumer, porn addict, virgin will be highly needy. And usually serving their immediate needs (jacking off, comfort over discipline, short-term rewards) will get in the way of long-term goals <-- don't be like that, and you're well on your way to success.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon19 points20 points  (3 children) | Copy

Then, with each passing day, society, friends, family, the government, the massmedia, social media

Agreed.

And the reason that this works is that men start at the bottom and women start at the top. An 18 year old girl is as hot as she'll ever be. And 18 year old boy is seen as more worthless than a child.

Our SMV starts at the bottom, women look down at us, and noone is going to tell us how awesome we are. So of course we start listening to women - they're the awesome ones and we're worthless.

We don't know what we're doing, but they sure do: start to manipulate us... "It's wrong to want sex" / "Work hard and get lots of money" / "The right one will come along [when the CC has finished with her]" / "You'll win in the end".

[–]surethingjanet9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy

Truest truth. Whenever I talk to an 18-22 yo girl, especially the hot ones, I find it crazy how massive the gap is.

I was so confused compared to them at the same age. The young men of their generation seem to be just as clueless really, they are incredibly naive in comparison. It’s like it basically takes an extra decade for us

Girls are much more realistic and sort of redpilled by default. They’re naturals when it comes to figuring out relationships and what’s going on

Makes sense from a biological perspective: We peak in our thirties. They start at peak.

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[–]surethingjanet5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

What was described above. The ability to figure out the dynamics of relationships, social cues and what’s really going on, for the same given age. They understand the rules of the game very early.

That’s also why you should never trust what they’re saying but instead watch what they’re doing

[–]Revolverboi29 points30 points  (8 children) | Copy

Yeah, dont focus on this beta alpha garbage too much. Idk why this community focuses this topic so much. Alpha,beta,gamma,omega are group dynamics and thats where these terms belong to.

You can be as much "alpha" or whatever your mind tells you as you want. When you are in the desert dieing because you cant survive and an fat neckbearded incel appears with the know how to survive he will be your leader and slayer of women. So is he now alpha?

[–]bssftw16 points17 points  (4 children) | Copy

Alpha is a mindset as it applies to the red pill. Alpha in terms of leadership is much more fluid and changes contextually.

[–]Revolverboi2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

I get you but its just such a bad framework in everyway. Everyone describes it different and in every culture or places alpha is something different. When 10 alphas come together only 1 will be the true alpha and the rest has to change to beta behavior or get killed or thrown out. You cant force alpha mindset when you get killed for it, thats failure.

[–]bssftw1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

What you're describing is alpha as it relates to leadership lol. You just reinforced my point.

[–]Revolverboi1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah thats what im talking about its about leadership and not a mental focus or a state. No idea whats to lol about and nope im not reinforce your point, exactly the opposite but whatever makes you happy.

[–]bssftw0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You can have 10 alphas in a room and the number 1 alpha, is the most alpha making him the leader of the other alphas. Contextually, that alpha is number 1 and the other 9 are betas. However, the other 9 "betas" still can have an alpha male mindset, they just arent the leader within said setting.

A perfect example of this would be Lebron James on the lakers. Every single man on the Lakers roster is an alpha male, but when Lebron steps in the room they defer to his authority, as he is the most alpha. This doesn't change the fact the rest of the team are still alpha males, just not as alpha as Lebron. They still have the mindset, but contextually are outclassed by Lebron.

[–]el8p2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

You fight him, make him submit to your will. Then you're the alpha ;)

[–]Revolverboi2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah absolutely, but you see how you operate in the group dynamic with your post ? Always needs more than one member for a group dynamic. Strength is one in your scenario. We can change it up to that the incel has a gun and you cant overcome him. Again he is the alpha but has no qualities for being a leader.

[–]eddielovett6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

Veganism and accepting gay people are retarded ideologies? I agree with everything else you wrote but that is fucking retarded. It takes a true alpha to be rational and appreciate other points of view. Otherwise you’re just a close minded asshole.

I’m not vegan but logically and ethically it makes perfect sense.

I’m not gay but I can understand that some people are born that way (a lot of people in fact). There are lots of gay dudes that are way more masculine and alpha than you could hope to be.

[–]GuruDev10002 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Came here to say this. Live and let live.

And this place is supposed to be 'sexual strategy'. Accepting gays doesn't kill your sexual strategy in any way.

[–]zdenipeni13 points14 points  (2 children) | Copy

Does anyone else get the sudden urge to vomit when they hear the word alpha and beta being thrown around loosely or is it just me?

[–]WangHotmanFire3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

You’d think an alpha wouldn’t need all this affirmation from the other alphas that get together on reddit and lick eachother’s butts

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy

Being alpha≠being a dick to fat and gay people

[–]surfingjesus10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is the nerdiest fucking sub I've ever seen sometimes

[–]DBOLandDECA3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Funny, I was literally just talking about this with one of my bros last night. People have this misconception that TRP is about learning new behaviors, but really it's just about learning how to let go of the ones that don't work in your favor. Most alpha behaviors are your primal default behaviors. I say most because I think being chivalrous to women is kind of a primal behavior also.

I think there was something about this idea in "No More Mr. Nice Guy."

[–]WickedKoran15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm not sure i agree with calling that alpha, but accepting yourself and becoming confident in who you are is the key. Doesn't necessarily make you an alpha, but the best person you can be... for youself. In a way, your own alpha.

Good post!

[–]hoopingblob5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

I've always thought of myself, deep down in my subconcious, as a beta. No matter what I was trying to do, I was a beta, because I was thinking so of myself.

Because you were told that these terms define you. We're social creatures, unlike most animals we don't need an "Alpha" to lead us. We choose to because it's easier but we have the ability to learn and adapt. It's laziness that keeps us from doing that. Most of the guys here learned and adapted.

We are brainwashed by the society to think very lowly of ourselves, the government wants us as manipulable as possible, so they instill these thoughts in us ever since we're kids.

This is very well explained in Rich dad Poor dad. We live in the illusion that we have a choice and are free by working and earning more money. But the more we work, the richer the higher ups get and the more we pay.

There's not one single motherfucker out there, who's a natural born beta, there isn't such a thing.

Exactly. There isn't such a thing as natural born beta or alpha, because we are humans and not animals.

This is why you always feel an interior conflict, this is why usually you feel anxiety and depression. You KNOW who you are, deep down. You very well know what the fuck you feel like doing and saying, there's a little voice and instinct in your head that you feel like you should follow because it's gonna turn out good. But just before starting to follow that instinct, you start thinking... "but what if he thinks I'm a weirdo cause I didn't laught at his joke? Better start fake laughing", "but what if she thinks that I'm not a good boy that she can trust, better not tell her how retarded she sounds", that's the voice of your fake beta that has been instilled in you, taking over your natural alpha instincts

Somewhat. Psychology has proven that loneliness activates the same receptors as we would feel pain. We are wired as social creatures because we cannot survive on our own. Our primate brain tells us that it's better to be accepted than to stand up for ourselves so that we can survive. There is a possibility to rewire this kind of thinking with CBT and practice. The more we practice to say "no" the easier it gets. It's not entirely societies fault for this, it's merely natural to have this thought pattern. That's why you would never see humans fuck in the open without shame. Hell, that's why we feel ashamed in the first place. Have you ever seen a monkey be ashamed? Highly doubt it.

Retarded ideologies which go against rationality and biology: feminism, gay acceptance, veganism, fat acceptance.

I agree. Ideologies and Icons have been the downfall of our society. I am talking about every single ideology in the past.

Cheap pleasures such as: 24/7 pornography, junk food, sugar, on demand pointless entertainment (netflix, youtube, tik tok).

I also agree on there but you can take these cheap pleasures to your advantage (financially and socially)

Stupid bandaids: anti-depressive pills, pushing any sort of medicine down your throat, getting you addicted to xanax and all that shit.

I disagree. I take anti depressants and have never been addicted to them. I had a break from them for 6 months without feeling the need of taking them again. I took them again because my depression and ADHD have gotten worse to the point that I would get random headaches whenever I would concentrate or my mood just worsening even though I had a pretty good day. Those things are not happy pills. Those meds are hormones that balance your hormone imbalance in your body. If you need meds, take them. If your doctor is a good doctor (and you better find a good doctor) and he tells you that you are doing okay and don't need them anymore, don't take them anymore.

Mind games: the purposeful lack of certain education, the purposeful miseducation in some areas, slave 9-5 working making you believe you're a champion, meanwhile you're making some other dude rich.

As I said before. Rich dad Poor dad explains this part very well

They want you to be a mindless zombie. "Don't brag, be humble" "Stop judging people" "Accept them for who they are". They want you to have no personality. To be like a falling leaf, floating in whatever direction the wind blows.

Again I disagree. Humble doesn't mean you don't acknowledge what you achieved. Humble means you let the action speak for itself. If you did something good you don't need to tell everybody how good you are, that completely nullifys your good deed. Also you shouldn't judge people unless they judge you.

"It is in our power not to make judgment about something, and so not disturb our minds, for nothing in itself possesses the power of our own judgments" - Marcus Aurelius

"Never praise or blame people on common grounds, look to their judgments exclusively, because that is the determine factor, which makes everyone actions either good or evil" - Epictetus

They feed you cheap pleasures. Junk food. Stupid entertainment. Crap medicine. Filling your brain with cheap dopamine. Keeping you docile, like a tranquiliezed lion in a cage.

We choose to eat those cheap pleasures.

Fuck them. The only way out of the cage is by forming your OWN opinions. You don't like fat people? Good, me neither, fuck them, fat shame them until they lose weight. You don't like hobos? Good, me neither, fuck them, they should go to work and not beg like some losers.

Become Virtuous, not viceful

STAND FOR SOMETHING. If you don't stand for something, any fucking thing at all, there's gonna be an empty spot inside you waiting to be filled. It's gonna be filled by something else and someone else, unless YOU FILL IT FOR YOURSELF.

I agree. You should have your own moral on things, that is the first step to virtue.

[–]1zav25[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Such a concise reply, thanks!

I love it when someone so gracefully disagrees with me and with such good arguments.

Again I disagree. Humble doesn't mean you don't acknowledge what you achieved. Humble means you let the action speak for itself. If you did something good you don't need to tell everybody how good you are, that completely nullifys your good deed. Also you shouldn't judge people unless they judge you.

You're right, partially.

In a way, I didn't properly formulate my thought initially. I don't think being humble is wrong, although I think that purposefully telling and teaching people to "be humble" is a defensive/coping mechanism invented by the weaker ones, trying to keep the successful outcasts submerged, and most of the times, such statements come from envy. "Real millionaires don't brag and post pictures with their cars on IG, look at this narcissistic loser, he should be more humble" - says the fox who can't reach the grapes.

I disagree. I take anti depressants and have never been addicted to them. I had a break from them for 6 months without feeling the need of taking them again. I took them again because my depression and ADHD have gotten worse to the point that I would get random headaches whenever I would concentrate or my mood just worsening even though I had a pretty good day. Those things are not happy pills. Those meds are hormones that balance your hormone imbalance in your body. If you need meds, take them. If your doctor is a good doctor (and you better find a good doctor) and he tells you that you are doing okay and don't need them anymore, don't take them anymore.

Also, only partially agree with you on this one.

We should take advantage of the technology that's at our disposal, if you're really sick and need medicine, go ahead and get it, even antidepressive medicine COULD be helpful if taken as a crutch. I myself am on levothyroxine for my thyroid and also fucking around with some steroids.

It's good that you can control your addictive impulses and that you have real medical reasons and that you probably did a lot of research before starting... but imagine your tipical Karen, feeling a little down this week because her loser husband isn't fucking her properly, she goes to her doc, says she feel depressed cause that's what she saw on Oprah, the doc puts her on xanny right away, she starts popping them like candy without even thinking twice... cause "duuh, the doc prescribed them to me, do you know better than the doc?", next thing you know she's a walking fucking zombie.

[–]hoopingblob1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You're right, partially.

In a way, I didn't properly formulate my thought initially. I don't think being humble is wrong, although I think that purposefully telling and teaching people to "be humble" is a defensive/coping mechanism invented by the weaker ones, trying to keep the successful outcasts submerged, and most of the times, such statements come from envy. "Real millionaires don't brag and post pictures with their cars on IG, look at this narcissistic loser, he should be more humble" - says the fox who can't reach the grapes.

Alright that is true but then again, if I was rich I wouldn't care if someone said that to me.

It's good that you can control your addictive impulses and that you have real medical reasons and that you probably did a lot of research before starting... but imagine your tipical Karen, feeling a little down this week because her loser husband isn't fucking her properly, she goes to her doc, says she feel depressed cause that's what she saw on Oprah, the doc puts her on xanny right away, she starts popping them like candy without even thinking twice... cause "duuh, the doc prescribed them to me, do you know better than the doc?", next thing you know she's a walking fucking zombie.

Alright that is also true. People do abuse medication but it isn't the meds fault. It's the doctors and lack of research faults. I also take Oprah, misinformation and junkies into account.

You are very educated in this topic and your arguments are well thought. It's relieving to have a discussion with someone who understands what a discussion stands for. Thank you for your participation and response

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

Truly, when all my anxiety went away because I just act natural now I realized how messed up things were. Having a mission and self worth is what i believe alpha is and all the results stem from those two things but I can say without a doubt redpill has been equally if not more beneficial then all the therapy, and support groups combined. Weirdly enough i'm still a feminist to a degree I think women should have jobs, education, and equal pay. But i'm not into the women who are trying to replace the patriachy with the matriachy. Basically women taken advantage of men now... We should strive for equality and I think that starts with just being yourself. If yourself is straight, gay, bi, etc just be you or you will feel depressed and anxious.

Men need a mission, need to understand what being a man is, understand that its okay to disagree, and understand individuality is way better then group think mentality.

[–]Meta-h2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Once this clicks, other shit starts to fall in place. It’s funny how being yourself without apology makes other people think you’re rude. This really confuses people because their lack of confidence makes them take everything personally. It has nothing to do with others. It’s really their lack of self worth and inability to exist in a place where people don’t coddle them. I’m not your babysitter. Stop whining and be better.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

if you

  1. don't believe you are enough as you are

and

  1. believe that other people's opinions of you decide your worth (good or bad opinions btw)

then you will never have the "alpha" mindset.

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[–]AmIDyslexicStoner4191 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

True. This sub is for gender dyamics between men and women and self improvement. Not for political views. His post would have been good without it

[–]1maverick975912 points13 points  (14 children) | Copy

This is stupidity. That confidence comes when the plate starts spinning itself without you putting effort, when they start finding excuses to be around you, when they start trying to gain your attention and it's so common that you start seeing through the pattern. You can't force yourself into an "Alpha Mindset" .. Find a way to become that person and it will come naturally. The simplest path is lifting. Stop with the conspiracy theories, you're just looking for things to blame for the lack of your confidence. No feminine imperative out there planned your suppression. This not FDS where you come to get a "Yaaay you go girl you deserve everything fuck patriarchy for suppressing us." bullshit.

"Turned my body into a ancient Greek god and still a beta ".. Gtfo, the amount attention and pussy you would get if you truly had that, you wouldn't be here complaining.

[–]1zav25[S] 14 points15 points  (13 children) | Copy

The thing is, I really actually look like a greek god, especially since being on steroids, and girls check me out more than ever before, they literally start stuttering around me... yet I still get panic attacks while entering a store.

Social anxiety, and anxiety in general is way more complex and it takes a lot more than just lifting weights and looking good to fix it. This is why I'm trying to go deeper.

Not saying what I'm writing is fucking confirmed, it's just my theory... and you can't disagree with me that we're being brainwashed into chasing cheap pleasures, and most people fall for this shit... this is why TRP community exists in the first place, because most men are brainwashed into thinking females are some fucking precious creatures that they must worship.

This is why we teach everyone new here to work out, eath healthy, stop procrastinating... because they've been brainwashed into doing all this dumb shit in the first place and look where it got them.

And by getting lost in their brainwashed mental patterns, they really start believing they're some losers, their default mental pattern becomes "I'm beta, trying to fake alpha like a loser", while it should be more like "I'm an alpha who picked up the wrong patterns during my journey through society and I'm now trying to get rid of them".

It's a shift in perspective that could be of great help.

[–]MilkMoney111-3 points-2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Taking steroids =/= Greek god body. I’ve cycled and got to single digit body fat, then competed in physique shows. That’s approaching Greek god status. But the vast majority of people I knew on gear at my gym didn’t look like Greek gods. In fact most of them were fat. The rest just looked like average gym goers. Be careful with making that claim friend.

I appreciate your post and agree with some aspects of it. But a little bit of humility sounds warranted for you. If we talk alphas we talk leaders. They’re diplomatic and cohesive. And they know their limits. Don’t let your head inflate because the fall is much harder

[–]1zav25[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Good point.

By greek god I just mean really muscular, low bf and aesthetic, all at the same time... just a way of saying I look fucking good. You know those old greek statues with great aesthetics, that's what I mean.

Anyway, the point is not how the fuck I look. If you take anything from my "greek god" statement is that, on the contrary, it doesn't even matter that I look like that, I still am not confident. That's the point. People say "oh just go lift", yeah that definitely helps, but it's just a quick bandaid, if you really wanna fix anxiety you have to go way deeper than "just lift bro".

[–]WangHotmanFire1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I can’t give you a source because it was absolutely years ago but I remember hearing that a small percentage of people are born genetically primed to be happy as leaders and the rest to be happy following. Can’t remember exactly why that was supposed to be

This would of had the evolutionary advantage of being able to successfully establish a hierarchical community without conflicting egos getting in the way

I say be at peace with whoever you are, the only reason you want to believe you are an alpha is to reassure yourself that you can fool women with your displays of masculinity

[–]Snowboard181 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Awesome point bro, really fucking solid. I agree with your point but also disagree. I do think that fully believing that you are a natural alpha that was brainwashed will help your progress into that alpha faster. But at the same time, not every male was alpha, back in the hunter gatherer days I read that only like 1 out of 15 males reproduced.

[–]William_Shatonher1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

If this post ain't TRP in a nutshell, I don't know what is. Good post.

[–]blurkiller1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yo bro i was born premature, have low testosterone and have ADHD. I was a natural beta soyboy, now self medicating the shit out of myself and now I know what my potential is. I'm getting better everyday and I know I'll smash things up with time. Accepting the disease is the first step to curing it. Great post btw, I totally agree with you.

[–]KingPiperine1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is straight wisdom brother. I also love how you focused on the conspiratorial aspect of things. I’d highly recommend doing research into “endocrine disrupters”. Also, you know the term “soy boy”? Look at the ingredients on nearly all the foods at the store. Almost everything has soybean oil and soy products in it. That’s because it’s an endocrine disrupter, and it’s put in all the foods for a very insidious reason.

Also, remember when Alex Jones said that the frogs were turning gay? He was right, and it might have been the single most truthful thing he ever talked about. So truthful that they probably launched massive astroturfing campaigns trying to force the meme of “the frogs are turning gay”. Because it was true.

[–]Cisco10k1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I totally get and share your point but I see two problems at what you say at the end.

  1. Even though I dislike fatness I see no point in shaming obese people for it without reason because as I see it I neither care if they are fat or fit I only care about the well being of me and people I care about.
  2. More often than not I don't see a benefit in sharing opinions, especially when they're controversial, when I'm for example at school or work because it could backlash on me. Also I don't see a point arguing with idiots. Just because one has strong opinions one shouldn't blare them out without thought. Thoughts?

[–]Artoriasz1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

What the fuck being an alpha has to do with being gay?

[–]Nathaniel_Erata1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I agree with you on so many levels, but could you elaborate on what you think is wrong with gay acceptance?
I was led to believe gay people cannot be changed, and I fail to see major downsides of accepting them. I am, however, open to have my views challenged and my mind changed.
And if gay acceptance is wrong, then what do you think we should do with gay people?

[–]strikethrough1231 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Have you ever met a 30 year old landwhale that thinks she’s a 10/10? Or an 8/10 with incredibly low self-esteem that thinks she’s a 3/10? It’s the same thing. The societal feedback we get as children is very difficult to shake of. Chances are that the former was hot as fuck in her teens while the latter had it rough growing up.

[–]Sickem_roy2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Take cold showers, and meditate. I wake up excited to start my day, get a workout on. Makes all the small things seem so much better when you reward yourself. Instead of mindless indulgence. Don’t jerk off to porn either, a lot of men have developed habits that inhibit their masculine hormones. Don’t be that guy, learn how you can improve yourself instead of digging a deeper hole around and wondering wtf .

[–]1zav25[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'll start taking cold showers from tomorrow.

I'll improvise an outdoors shower or some shit like that, gonna be fun.

[–]PickleWickleton0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I think that there’s a state of in between alpha and beta that most people sit. Wether it’s something unnamed or if it’s something people can go back and forth between, I just don’t think it’s as cut and dry as “alpha or beta” like a lot of these monkeys make it out to be. The social anxiety aspect is real man, you can look like Channing Tatum and have zero confidence in socializing, but tons of it in football, or hand to hand combat. People without this issue might not understand but I think your post is great as far as being a theory based on anecdotal evidence. My experiences are pretty similar.

[–]G4met1m30 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy

You said you took steroids, any negative side effects or its all bs ?

[–]noserotoninforu2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy

Don’t look to reddit for advice on gear.

Is it all bs? Lmao

Look up Greg Doucette on YouTube and watch his videos.

People always wanna get on gear and get pissed when they don’t get huge. It still requires a ton of discipline and diet, and science, and medical work to do it correctly.

[–]G4met1m30 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

It seems you laugh at me for saying is it all bs ?, I just asked, all the reading on this sub maked you so alpha. You dont even know me, don’t assume i dont work hard and that i am not disciplined. Some of us weren’t,,betas”. wink Anyways ty for responding.

[–]G4met1m30 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

And if you didnt laugh at me, my bad, eng is not my first language. Greg seems cool.

[–]noserotoninforu0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

You know what’s even more alpha than being jacked?

Having reading and writing comprehension.

[–]1zav25[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Bullshit and myths mostly. If you're smart with it, you're gonna turn out even better than before. If you're dumb, we'll if you're dumb you're gonna choke with fucking water lol.

[–]ThatNights0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Het bro, I went in ur profile and your transformation was amazing, respect.

[–]comcain0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Very good post. Thanks for writing it!

Cheers

[–]WekiTheDragon130 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Good read, even if one chooses to accept things such as God, raising a family, monogamy he should do it on his own terms and through taking a stand of his own. Carving your own path, trying what works, believing what you believe and changing your beliefs only when you feel like it's the right thing to do. Setting your own frame and moral code, independent of the social programming and brainwashing and without answering to anyone. Good point, keep thinking straight my man.

[–]C0untry_Blumpkin0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

🤨👌

Alphas aren't insecure and full of womanly thoughts like this. They do not trouble their minds with what others think of them. It's cool that you're trying be motivational and everything, but it all rings a bit hollow. Whether that's from your lack of perspective or incongruent posts I cannot say.

[–]novalentineforyou0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Just chiming in about "pills": if you're depressed, go talk to a doctor. The alpha fux bros here don't know shit about fuck when it comes to psychiatry. Your doc could help you find some meds that could literally solve all your problems if you are depressed. You would actually be stupid not to try this out. If you don't like how the pills make you feel, tell that to your doc and work something out, they're reasonable people and know that different people need different treatments.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This resonates with me, so here it goes a little rant.

I always have felt like a dog on a leash most of my time, some impending urge to just go berserk but still too afraid of the consequences. When I was a very little kid my mother used to tell me how uncontrollable I was at school: getting into fights with people who bullied me, getting on top of the desk mid class, no respect for my teachers and all. I even remember having a partner which whom I used to bully some girl.

Then my mother took me to some female psychologist. Can't remember why but I always hated her. They never gave me any prescription pills (thank god) but she sorta just kept me there on her room for an hour or two talking to me. That would go on for a few months. After that, my mother said I got better but I digress. The following years of school was just me being passive, taking into the chin. No matter how much years it has passed since then, I still remember the pain and the anger. Nowadays most what I feel is some sort of misdirected anger at society without any real culprit.

After discovering TRP, it sorta came to light how maybe, just maybe that woman fucked up with me in some way. If I only was thought discipline and ways to channel my anger maybe things would have been so much better, instead of feeling like a bomb ready to explode. Maybe I was sort to become a lighthearted alpha instead of a passive beta/gamma or whatever.

[–]singalongjohn0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Advice like this is pointless, we feel like we have a lot more control over societal heirachys than we in fact do. We think we can make a conscious decision to change ourselves. If you were a beta you are most likely still a beta in disguise. Society has always had similar proportions of leaders and followers. The system will always oppose any change imposed on it and tend to the equilibrium. As soon as guys start going to the gym then then the equilibrium will shift and a new skill will be needed to denote being alpa. You are always one step behind them.

[–]Olram_Sacul0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah man, most male mammals are beta because of society too

[–]Zech4riah0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

There's not one single motherfucker out there, who's a natural born beta, there isn't such a thing.

I'm sure this is pretty comforting thought and maybe that's why it got so many upvotes. This kind of statements makes guys feel good (or alpha) without needing to put any effort on it.

Anyway, I disagree with you, there is plenty of guys who are natural born beta. Maybe the easiest example is when there is two guys who are brothers who come from similar backgrounds. It's not uncommon that the other one is beta and the other one is alpha.

Present times really separate the wheat from the chaff. Only guys who are assertive and dominant enough by nature and have strong will and ambitions, will be able to survive social programming and betaization and come out as alpha.

Back in the days being a man and masculinity and generally "alpha behaviour" was accepted if not encouraged. It was easy to be "alpha" years ago but not anymore because the society is against you.

The good news is that even tho you were natural born beta, you can still overcome that betaness with hard work.

[–]Ton-Alexys0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That was one of the most interestingly texts I ever read.

[–]dspjm0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Great post brother, though i don't think the fat shame part is necessary, we don't need to like them either.

[–]fascists_disagree0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Is this an elaborate way of saying 'be proactive'?

[–]jijo660 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That's some kind of epiphany! It's like you suddenly awoke from the Betacentric world we live in. Unfortunately it's a world run by clueless AFCs

[–]_MrMemeseeks_0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Here's something Carl Jung wrote in one of his works that really resonated with the title of your post, i find the end part especially intriguing and worth giving a thought to.

The God-image in man that was damaged by the first sin can be “reformed” with the help of God, in accordance with Romans 12:2: “And be not conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that you may prove what is … the will of God” (RSV). The totality images which the unconscious produces in the course of an individuation process are similar “reformations” of an a priori archetype (the mandala). As I have already emphasized, the spontaneous symbols of the self, or of wholeness, cannot in practice be distinguished from a God-image. ~Despite the word (‘be transformed’) in the Greek text of the above quotation, the “renewal” (ἀνακαίνωσις, reformatio) of the mind is not meant as an actual alteration of consciousness, but rather as the restoration of an original condition, an apocatastasis.~

It feels more right to think this way. Instead of thinking of ourselves as a disease and curing it we must identify the disease and then try to restore ourselves to our original condition by eradicating it.

[–]1zav25[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Wow, I've been reading Jung here and there lately, but didn't know of this quote. Thank you!

[–]_MrMemeseeks_1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Its from his Collected Works Vol9-ii, you can get the pdf online. Its really great if you want to know yourself. It consists of the ego, self, shadow, anima, and much more.

[–]LadyOrion20200 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Congratulations!! You took the RED PILL went down that rabbit hole and have seen the light, the TRUTH👏👏👏 Government, Feminists, The MEDIA, Pharmaceutical industry, Diet industry (sugar carb laden junk food) LGBTQ groups have all conspired to "re-shape" Men into something THEY ARE NOT. It's disgusting really.

BUT if you want to truly take back your Alpha masculinity, you need to start engaging in activities that MEN used to do in the past, some of which feminist are trying to eliminate!!*** ***..Hunting, Fishing, contact Sports, Camping, Physical Labor, Working Out, working with your hands (Woodworking, Mechanical..fixing equipment, Welding, etc.) Starting your own business or even being a contractor and working ON YOUR terms and more such activities... You will be shocked at the speed in which your confidence builds, anxieties and even mild depression drops away.

DO MAN THINGS!! ROUGH IT!!

Take BRAZILIAN JIU JITSU, WRESTLING, KRAV MAGA TRAINING, KICKBOXING... kick arse and also learn to take hits!!

Stop gaming so much, stop social networking so much, stop watching TV so much, stop the junk food.

WORK OUT, BUILD MUSCLE, EAT MEAT!! YOUR A MAN!! A FREAKING CARNIVORE!!!

You don't have to shame others in order to transform yourself. But do not let Women turn u into something you are not. Feminists(and schools) are leading the pack in trying to "feminize" men these days.

[–]Big__Hoss0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Feminism, gay acceptance, and Veganism are not retarded by any means????

Yeah there are some bitch you feminists & soy-boys out there, but the ideologies themselves are not idiotic.

[–]ElXToro0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Non vegan or atthe very least non vegetarian diet is actually against biology and nature. Your knowledge on this matter is very poor.

[–]SpecialK471500 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

My god what pathetic bullshit is this? Fucking laughable. Grow up kid. Quit being a sexist, homophobic bigot.



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