How much competition is there age 30-40 really?

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Was speaking to an ex who is looking to get married (30) an she was telling me about guys she was meeting off Hinge in 30-40 age bracket, and it was mostly a shitshow. Points where she mentioned where guys fell down:

  • Not college educated, or even if college educated, they werent as intelligent as her (she's no genius by any means)

  • being too forward sexually, when she wasn't giving them sexual energy back

  • rich guys who wanted to settle down but had no game & think being rich means they can make list of unrealistic demands

  • terrible date ideas, eg. 2 hour movie in silence

  • guys lying about their financial status, and being evasive when she tried to ask them questions about their job & career


I mean 30-40 is when men are at their peak SMV, but most guys still follow the BP path of getting married by their early 30s. The high value BP guys will get snapped up, so logic follows most of the guys still left on the market after age 35 will have something wrong with them, no?

So even tho there should be more competition dating age 30-40, from what my ex said I'm inclined to believe there's actually much less competition?

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Title How much competition is there age 30-40 really?
Author TheProfitMotive
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Comments 75
Date 05 June 2020 01:06 AM UTC (10 months ago)
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[–]somuchw1n316 points317 points  (19 children) | Copy

You have much to learn, young grasshopper. This post says way more about your ex than the men she's describing.

Not college educated, or even if college educated, they werent as intelligent as her (she's no genius by any means)

You answered this one yourself. She thinks she's better than men who are on her level. And who cares if they're college-educated or not? It's an arbitrary credential and doesn't tell you much about someone one way or the other.

being too forward sexually, when she wasn't giving them sexual energy back

They're screening if she's DTF because that's all they're interested in with her. Her hamster reframes it as being a negative quality of the men.

rich guys who wanted to settle down but had no game & think being rich means they can make list of unrealistic demands

Again, read between the lines. She doesn't meet the requirements and somehow reframes it as her being too good for them.

terrible date ideas, eg. 2 hour movie in silence

Well, to be fair, yeah, that's a shitty date idea. Pretty normal for blue-pill types, though. She's deluded and thinks she's above "normal" dates.

guys lying about their financial status, and being evasive when she tried to ask them questions about their job & career

What do you expect, asking about financial status so early? If he's red-pilled and makes money, he won't reveal it to avoid gold diggers. If he doesn't make money, of course he won't advertise it to some strange lady he just met on a dating site.

Finally, about the basic premise of your post. Of course there's less competition for post-wall women -- what makes you think otherwise? Too bad red-pilled 35-year-old men aren't going for those women anyway, so it's a moot point. If you want the most attractive women, you have to compete with the top 20% from whatever age group.

Edit: And what I was trying to get across above: if you go for the 30+ bracket, even if the competition is theoretically lower, post-wall women's standards tend to go up as their SMV decreases, especially if they were attractive 5-10 years ago, so it creates this artificial "competition" anyway.

[–]thrwy75479102 points103 points  (1 child) | Copy

Fucking spot on.

Another post-wall desperation bitch crying "where have all the good men gone?"

[–]babybopp16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy

And a dude asking a woman for dating advice. BFFs with his ex who should not even be in the picture in his life. Dude is whipped bad to be sitting with his ex talking about relationships, Major in Orbiter Studies with a Minor in Cuckoldry.

[–]nikcufboomer44 points45 points  (0 children) | Copy

Ho Lee Fuk - haven’t seen a comment this revealing in a while. OP was genuine but just couldn’t see from his own future perspective. Well done mate.

[–]djc_tech9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

Best response I’ve seen. As someone who is 40 now, in shape and good career and money - and now divorced - there’s plenty of good options for you. There’s a lot of competition too; if you’re out of shape, blue-pilled or don’t have a career. Post-wall women are usually desperate but also mad they’ve been left behind so to speak. There’s tons of divorced women too but they have a whole separate set of issues. You do have a choice and as a male in your prime you should exercise it in my opinion. You should have established yourself by this point and can honestly have almost any women you want aged 25-35, you just have to have the right attitude I guess. I’ve dated or had FWBs relationships with anyone from CrossFit instructors and yoga instructors to engineers to military lawyers. Believe me there out there and if you do the things that have been repeated here often: work out, maintain your dignity, stay healthy, work hard at your career and make some money, prioritize yourself above strange women you’ll be ok.

If I can do it - and I’m doing it in hard mode as I also have a kid I have about half the time - any of you can do it. I’m not even that talented in any one thing. Other than a few interesting hobbies and some pretty high end athletic endeavors I’ve had/competed in; I don’t have anything else that distinguishes me from like the really rich guy with the 7 series. I used to drive a pickup truck and now have a nice decked out German car but certainly not the high end luxury models. I still do pretty well for myself all things considered. Point being if I can do it by following most of the rules or points people talk about here all of you can do it. And honestly I have room for improvement and sometimes I need a smack in the face to remind me of the reality of life. Know what I come here and read posts from people like the above OP and it puts me back on track.

[–]bestsparkyalive15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy

What a masterpiece.

[–]goldenpoopstain13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

So much gold. If I wasn't broke I'd give award. Rp needs guys like you. Great analysis sir

[–]noNooodleArms4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

post-wall women's standards tend to go up as their SMV decreases

Yep. In fact, I think the increasing standards, along closing fertility windows, defines the Wall itself.

[–]Senior EndorsedVasiliyZaitzev5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

^ This.

"WHY ARE THERE NO GOOD MEN LEFT?!" occurs at the intersection of a woman's rising expectations and decreasing SMV. Once that demarcation is crossed? It's all tears from there on out. Tears and cats.

"The WallSPLAT! does not negotiate, the WallSPLAT! does not compromises, The WallSPLAT! is undefeated."

From, The Sayings of Chairman Zaitzev

[–]green491 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is what the fuck a red pill lens looks like. Rookies take note.

[–]halleluiaiaia92924 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Boom baby

[–]Maxofwarcraft0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Username checks out. Brilliant response and breakdown on this comment.

[–]macrian0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

One clarification, what do you mean Post-Wall?

[–]Gordon-G12 points13 points  (3 children) | Copy

Past prime... women prime is 18 - 25,.. thereafter their looks start to fade, they pack on the pounds, and major baggage every year (mental issues, physical issues, more CC riding/unable to pair bond....)

[–]macrian1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

CC riding? I know, I need to learn a lot of terms. Just asking is simpler though :)

[–]Anussauce4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Cock carousel. Everyone gets a ride.

[–]_the_shape_2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Everyone gets a ride.

Don't say that around an incel (or do, if in need of some comedy)

[–]__dude__0070 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Just wow! You are a gem bro! 🤜

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Amen 🙏

[–]Senior EndorsedVasiliyZaitzev68 points69 points  (24 children) | Copy

52 checking in. Let me explain the math to you.

A. If a guy hasn't amounted to something by 30, he's probably not going to. Hi value bluepills get taken off the market and high value RP men create alpha widows.

B. Upon arrival at WallSPLAT! Station, women do not have the same type of options that they did before. Why? Because dudes all want to bang 20-22 year-olds.

So if you have your shit together as an older guy, you can clean up in the 30+ category. If you don't then you won't. Simples.

The high value BP guys will get snapped up, so logic follows most of the guys still left on the market after age 35 will have something wrong with them, no?

Don't be BP. Be RP, nail 20 year old tail, and keep all your fucking money.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (13 children) | Copy

Uncle Vas I’ve read through all of your archived material probably once a month for the past year it’s been really helpful went through about a year of existential crisis bs.

I’ve got a question in point A “amounting to something” what are some benchmarks I can be reaching for as a close in on 30?

[–]Senior EndorsedVasiliyZaitzev42 points43 points 2 (10 children) | Copy

If you've read Become the Prize, and my related top-level posts you know all you need to know on the "game"side of things.

Other than that, the floor is: be employed, have some ambition in life, no/limited baggage/drama and with some goals for the future. And know how to fuck.

When I was 31 my gf was 21. I was living in a 1BR 3rd floor walk-up and sleeping on a futon. I had another futon/couch in the living room and the same TV I had 10 years before (back in the Bad Old Days of no HD, this wasn't a big thing.) I knew I wasn't going to stay where I was, so I lived cheap, saved my $ and could basically trash my furniture when I left town - which is basically what I did.

She Didn't Care.

Why? First she was 21, so having my own flat, job and a decent car (I had stopped driving beaters and move on to "moderately nice" at 27-ish). I had a responsible job, with a future, and wasn't going to come home and throw up on the couch. That's the difference b/w 21 and 31. At 21 your roommate says, "Hey, nice one! You might win this week!"

So have your shit together, and you will start to separate yourself from the pack.

Also: Stay the fuck away from smoking, drugs, too much booze and shit that ages you, like women your own age (above 30). Your older self will thank you. Sure from your teenage years to 25 you are bullet proof but all the booze you drink in the Way Long Ago shows back up on your face in your 40s. I'm quite lucky and I'm aging well (not much gray and plenty of coverage on top, which makes a difference), but if I had shit to do over again, I would cut out a shit-ton of the drinking I did.

[–]neverdidthatstuff7 points8 points  (6 children) | Copy

When you say someone who hasn't amounted to anything by 30 probably won't, do you mean that as more of a statistical thing or that you actually can't change and be a high-value man past that age? Any advice for someone in that situation to still get younger women despite a bad start?

I just turned 32 and I'm still a fuckup due to depression/anxiety, blue-pill thinking etc. that held me back all through my 20s. Would like to think I'm finally getting my shit together but also kind of feels like it's too late due to lack of experience at this stage.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think it’s on the premise that statistically most won’t change after 30.

Doesn’t mean you can’t, many return to education or start business after 30 and go on to be successful!

[–]_the_shape_2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

also kind of feels like it's too late

It's not too late, but start making it a habit to make each and every day count at least to some degree. Once you ingrain that as part of your normal everyday routine, then focus on 'progressively overloading' that very routine so that it both becomes intertwined with your character and continues to propel you upward.

[–]SeasonedRP1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's not too late. What's true for a group generally isn't necessarily true for an individual member of that group. Keep pressing forward to turn things around.

[–]thrwy754790 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

someone who hasn't amounted to anything by 30 probably won't

You have to define "anything". I know people who outwardly have all the characteristics of "success" but, from intimate knowledge, are absolutely miserable.

That said, wealth, power, and status are key ingredients. It's hard to define success without at least some of each. As an example, even a teacher has some status at least in the classroom in front of their students.

Finally, while it's not impossible to make changes, and better your life at any stage, it does become more difficult as you get older. You can take that as a challenge, or you can concede defeat.

Fact: you're not older. Your time is also not infinite though.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Really appreciate the detailed post! Got a good laugh from the multiple futon story. It’s exactly what I’m doing right now. I cleared six figures last year and all my furniture is from Ikea I can’t wait to trash it.

You made a really good point I haven’t thought about. To a 21 year old having my own 1BR apt with shit furniture is still better than the guys her age who come over and puke all over the couch.

[–]domoli1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Vas, I know you have experience living with girls and from what I’ve read you live alone these days. Have you written anything about living with girls, specifically an OLTR (open on your end, as I think you’ve coined) or do you deem living with them mostly an inconvenience? I know RP ideas and tactics should not be used to enact a BP ideal, but I don’t think living with an OLTR (maintaining your own independence and leaving as soon shit goes sour, of course), a slave girl even, is BP.

[–]Senior EndorsedVasiliyZaitzev4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Rollo has a rule about not living with a woman who you are not married to or will not be married to within 6 months. Here it is:

Iron Rule of Tomassi #4

NEVER under any circumstance live with a woman you aren’t married to or are not planning to marry in within 6 months.

She's going to be an "insta-cockblock" every time you want to bring another girl over. Plus she's going to be there All The Fucking Time.

The only way I'd live with a woman is if I was sitting on a billion $ and owned an island that I populated with a few slave girls. But other than that? More trouble than it's worth.

But hey, you do you.

[–]btrpb5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Own property, 6 figure salary (or approaching) or own business. No debt issues. Stopped taking whatever shit you were taking in your late teens/early twenties. Physically fit. Groomed like a man on point and not a skateboarder.

[–]Gordon-G2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Leo DiCaprio agrees 👍🏽

[–]xxxthrowmeawayxxxx0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

hi Uncle Vas. Maybe not the best place to ask but I think i saw you mention you were a derivatives trader in another comment of yours? curious about your view on markets. assuming 26 yo, no debt, and $100k where would you park it? would the allocation change if the US 10 year goes negative?

[–]Senior EndorsedVasiliyZaitzev6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

I have no idea what your risk tolerance is, I have no idea what your cash flow is (did you inherit the $100k, or is it the result of on-going cash flow?), etc. etc., so here is some generic advice:

A. Retire any consumer debt that you have an NEVER have any consumer debt again. (Note: there will be some MFer who shows up and talks about leveraged-debt which is not what I'm talking about. Cheap money gets 99% of people in trouble, 99% of the time.)

B. Max out your 401K and IRA contributions.

C. Have an "emergency fund" of 6-12 months. (Again, the "Cash is Trash" brigade will turn up and say, predictably: "Cash is Trash!", but you can't pay your bills with your "buy and hold" stocks.)

D. At 26, your time horizon is "forever", so look for opportunities when they arise.

E. Here is some of what I did in my personal account (stocks, not the asymmetric shit I do on the side) THIS IS MY VIEW, AND MAY NOT BE SUITABLE FOR YOU. I AM NOT AN INVESTMENT ADVISOR, MAKE YOUR OWN DECISIONS. YOU READ THIS AT YOUR OWN RISK, ETC.:

We just had the kind of market correction that we've had every 5-10 years or so, +/- for nearly 40 years (1982, 1987, 1990, 1994, 2000, 2008, 2020), so there were some great companies whose stocks were on sale. During the pandemic, I bought some low-exposure stocks, as well as stocks that were "on sale", so Amex is up 40% since I bought it, Visa is up nearly 30%, (MasterCard is lagging them a bit, up 17%) Google, 3M, Amazon (I stopped trying to understand it and just bought it), all up 20-25%. T and VZ (working from home, bitches!) are up double digits, also. I thought about what would happen when Vegas re-opened, and now I'm up 20%+ in LVS.

REITS got NAILED and it was a good chance to pick up high-div companies at bargain basement prices (if you have a risk tolerance and don't pick the shitty REITS. Look for the ones that can weather the storm), so I like WPC.

Back when the economy was raking, I had been doing my own version of the "Plutocrat's Market Basket", but I think the tenor and reliability of that has changed - luxury brands now depend too much on Chinese consumers and that has gone pear shaped. I bought TIF in the mid 80s and sold at $134 (about $1 under the LVMH buyout price) before the virus came because I looked at it and thought, "My upside here is $1, so why am I holding onto it?" It was trading below $115 earlier in the week, although it has rallied to $122. So there was a 17% (now 10%) upside, depending on how you feel about LVMH's buyout offer, which doesn't look at solid as it did a couple of months ago). I only have 3 or so stocks left from my version of the PMB, and they're doing fine.

I think M&A activity is going to dry up for a while, other than "rescue" or "bargain basement" acquisitions. Anyway, that's how I see the world at the moment.

We may get a "U" shaped recession (the May jobs report indicates a faster rebound from the shutdown, but we'll see). June is not, historically a great month for stocks, so be careful.

[–]xxxthrowmeawayxxxx0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Thank you very much. Need to look into IRA, the rest I've done. Cash flow from working VC last 3 years. I gave notice in january to quit in April to travel / train jiu-jitsu. Covid nixed that so at home with parents lifting / reading.

I was 5% stocks pre-covid and ~10% now. I know I need to up the risk tolerance given age and time horizon. Market seems crazy tho and given now unemployed don't want to lose large portion of assets.

Thanks again!

[–]therealbigoso0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

In whose eyes is he too old by 30?

In his own eyes or in the eyes of others?

[–]Senior EndorsedVasiliyZaitzev0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It's a rule of general application.

[–]Taproot880 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I am 31 i had many problems growing up, like fighting bipolar disorder, incel rage ecc. O didn't amount to anything not because i was pkaying video games like BP guys but because i was treating my disorder ecc. Now i have my own house, my bipolar is colpletly under control, i am lifting, praticing guitar and singing ( i play in a small local metal band). But i don't have much money. Is it possible to get those 18-22yo girls or its too late if you dont already have your shit together by 30?

[–]Senior EndorsedVasiliyZaitzev0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

What I said is a rule of general application. Work on getting your shit together.

[–]Taproot880 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Ok thank you

[–]TheRedPillRipper19 points20 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm inclined to believe

The issue isn’t who you’re competing against. It’s why. In my teens I just wanted to hustle. In my 20’s it was a career. Now in my 30’s after an amazing few years doing work I loved, I’m close to returning to study cause I’ve found a new career path.

My competition? I don’t have any. If I compare myself to my closest bros I’m killing it. If I compare myself to my eldest bro; I’ve got a ways to go. In The SMP I don’t have to compete. I know my value. It doesn’t take long for others to realise it too.

Godspeed and good luck!

[–][deleted] 31 points32 points  (7 children) | Copy

Turning 30 in a few months, and this thought has crossed my mind after reading the rational male a while ago.

I’d say the issues you listed will be spot on. Out of shape, no game, blue pilled, and other various reasons.

I look at this from a bit of a different angle. I’m not looking to compete with guys my age because I feel like after 30 you’re automatically relegated to beta bux. I’m competing with the 23 year old whos in the best shape of his life. So staying in shape, skin regiment(insert Patrick Bateman quote), etc is important.

Unfortunately I’ve got a pretty tight window of what I’m interested in. 21 too immature to date after 27 they got bucked off the cock carousel and want to settle down(I will never be someone’s meal ticket). So 23-26 it is and throw in some 21 year old sorority girl plates.

I’ve accepted I’ll likely never marry or have kids.

Curious to hear some other perspectives.

[–]Tousen7112 points13 points  (2 children) | Copy

Eh. Dude you're only 29—soon to be 30. I'm in the same boat. I'm in an LTR but by no means do I feel like I'm at the lower-end of the market. I'm a good looking dude, I look young, and I'm in good shape. I can still pull hoes easily. 30 is nothing. It might be harder to pull young 20s because the maturity gap will be too large but anything in mid to late 20s is prime plating material. I'd say that's true up until at least late 30s.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

Like you, I was blessed with good genetics still look 24ish and stay in shape so I can still pull younger, but like you said the level of maturity with college aged women I can’t listen to them talk for more than 10 minutes. One year removed from college I think is the sweet spot.

The one thing I wish I could find at this age is other guys who are are on the same wavelength and level to be wingmen. My three closest friends all got engaged in the past six months never to be heard from again.

Lonely at the top I guess.

[–]Tousen712 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

That’s tough. I’d say find dudes through hobbies and activities (martial arts, sports, etc.). The ones that are active, have good jobs, and are single will generally be RP or naturally alpha.

I met a homie doing Muay Thai and he’s been a great wing ever since—even traveled to Europe with him to pull hoes at Oktoberfest. We’re both young 30ish with decent jobs, goals, and no commitments.

Keep searching. In the meantime hit up dive bars, comedy clubs, and small concert venues, etc. (basically live your life and have fun) and continue to approach when you get choosing signs—and have a few hooks in dating apps to keep your social schedule busy.

[–]alfred31114 points15 points  (1 child) | Copy

Same, cant stand talking to a 21 year old girl, but they are horny as hell, want to explore and try every sexual positions out there. As a 30+ dude they are always dtf to tick off their bucket list.

[–]Senior EndorsedVasiliyZaitzev6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Indeed. Welcome to my life.

[–]OverEasyFetus0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I’ve accepted I’ll likely never marry or have kids.

I'm exactly the same as you, 30 in a few months. What makes you think turning 30 and single means you'll never marry and have kids?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It’s not that being single at this specific number had an impact on my thinking. I always wanted to have kids, but the amount of risk of having my life utterly destroyed is not worth it.

Combine that with me not being attracted to women in my age range, this recent crop of 21-25 year olds being completely morally bankrupt/degenerates.

Biased family courts

I can go on and on

It’s just not worth it for a guy anymore I don’t want someone ever having that kind of leverage on me. Where the government can be her Bagman. Probably an issue I need to work. Zero trust.

You don’t really even choose who your kids turn out to be in the end(good thing I have siblings they can pass on the code)

I only have one life to live and with the current male female dynamic it’s a no win situation in my opinion.

[–]hockeyaddict8712 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

First mistake-believing a 30 year old women who’s not taken about anything

[–]His_Hands_Are_Small4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Historically, what worked better for society, and what structure did men set up before feminism?

Did the strongest societies of strong men get married at 40 so that you can sleep around?

Or did they work hard to improve themselves and their country and find someone to start a family with usually as early as possible?

Sleeping around, even for men, is blue pill. I know, it's the one red pill that this subreddit doesn't want to swallow, after basically becoming "pickup girls" instead of "the red pill".

It is absolutely essential that you know how to give women sexual energy and how to communicate with them and attract them. There is nothing wrong with learning about women and dating, and this isn't an abstinence post either.

But look at the questions coming from this sub "Is it lonely at the top?" (the answer is "no"), "My LTR left me after 6 months, why?" (because you're an assshole, not a leader, and there is a big difference), I see this question on this sub all the fucking time. A lot of this sub has turned into very short term, insufferable mentality, that yes, does work in attracting women in the short term, but also makes it unlikely that anyone would want to stick by you (men, AND women).

Older generations, men had plenty of friends. We knew how to mingle among each other, and we knew the importance of networking. It wasn't basically 100% about getting pussy. We didn't seek out degenerate sluts for fucking, we seeked out quality relationship partners. These days, over half the marriages do work, and honestly, if you're not retarded, you can dramatically increase your odds. Don't marry some girl just because of an unplanned pregnancy. 90%+ of women with tattoos are broken. Liberal women have to take the red pill before a marriage proposal.

Think about this, what exactly do you gain from sleeping with a lot of different women? You can't really show anything off from it. It's a nice mental victory, but in 20 years, that's it. Most of the women, you'll have forgotten. But in that time, you wasted started what the older generations all knew, a family, and a structure that is bigger than yourself. Those who don't truly love themselves are the same ones who don't love their children. If you're truly the prize, you'd want children, and this is a universal truth. I'll bet that all of your heros have kids. If you do it right, when you're 70, and some chores in life start to get difficult, a child is a lot cheaper and more reliable than the government or contractors.

This is the hardest red pill for "red pillers" to swallow.

[–]CaptainFajita3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Upvoted. Having reached the ripe old age of 60, I've pretty much viewed the situation this way for the past 30 years. About 99% of this sub's energy is directed at figuring out how to bang tattooed bar sluts, when there are orders of magnitude better and higher uses of your time, intellect and life to becoming a successful man in terms of purpose, accomplishments, love, responsibility, societal contributions and family.

[–]Fabulous-Craft5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Supply and demand

Single high value men in their 30s and 40s are busy fucking girls in their 20s. So demand for post wall women is low.

And with the growth of feminism, more women are waiting to get married, women are continuing to divorce, more women are riding the CC for longer periods... supply is high.

Low demand, high supply.

[–]GraphiteIsInPencils9 points10 points  (3 children) | Copy

There is definitely less competition. By this age men are single for a reason. Either they didnt want to commit(your only real competition), are losers, or are divorced with a kid.

[–]Tousen7112 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy

You're missing a category here. 30+ dudes in major cities (NYC, LA, CHI) that are comfortably successful (making good money and are financially stable) can still go out and pull hoes, easily. I know because I'm one of them. Sure, you'll slow down and pick up an LTR every so often, but the game never stops. I'd say the biggest dating change happens at late 30s early 40s—but much of that can be mitigated if your SMV is high.

[–]TheProfitMotive[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yes. I'm one of these guys myself. But guys who are both red + successful can't be more than 5% of the male population

[–]btrpb-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Hate to break it to you, but being divorced with a kid (as I am), rarely lowers your SMV. You've just got to own it.

[–]cydestiny6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

Don't listen to what woman tells you, watch how she did it, if she's looking in the same pot, of course she's getting the same type of guys.

Anyways, we human has the inclination of choosing only part of the story that makes us look good so the basis of your hypothesis is irrelevant.

But if you want observation (also without basis), high value 30-40 is looking for 20+ nowadays, so the competition is tight at that bracket 20 - 30 female for man, while for woman, it is post wall that the competition came to light, previously they didn't have to compete with other woman for man since they have plentiful option.

Of course that is just from the demographic, much often it is affected by cultural differences, religions, even personal choices. Man should have their potential peak around 30 - 40 but a max 5 is going to peak at 5 unless changes are made. 30 - 40 is the average amount of time for man to finally get it, i.e. showing flashes of Alpha Fucks and Beta Bucks at the same time. It's rare for man to be able to balance it out, else he would be a jackpot for woman as Rollo puts it.

[–]Tousen711 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This guy gets it.

[–]jm512 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Any guy who ticks all of your exes boxes doesn't want her. Not only does he want early 20s women, he knows how to get them.

The question she should be asking herself is: What age group of men would prefer to hang out with a 30 yo woman rather than an early 20s woman?

[–]IBETITALL4205 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy

no such thing as a high value BP guy

just because they have money but are still blue pilled doesnt mean they are high value

What you want to achieve is "Alpha Bucks", in which ur alpha as fuck and have money. THis is an extremely dangerous and powerful combination

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (3 children) | Copy

I was 11 when my parents divorced somehow dad got full custody and was the definition of alpha bucks. He was 31 and it was epic.

Playboy models, four cars, million dollar house, boat, pretty much everything besides the airplane.

He probably pumped and dumped over 200 women when I was in high school. Redpilled early.

[–]IBETITALL4201 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

damn dude....holy shit. WHat did he do for a living?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Owned a large civil engineering firm.

[–]bturner5340 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Woah, my man where did your bawse dad meet all these lovely ladies?

[–]FrickOffAHS4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Dude hinge in general is a shitshow

[–]flyinghorse11 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think getting laid is pretty damn easy at this age, but finding a similar aged woman for a relationship without too much baggage is quite hard.

[–]mrrooftops1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

She's only talking about those stories she wants you to hear. She's not going to tell you about the ones that she's fucking. Bad habits become more engrained as you get older so it sounds like she is referencing those guys to appease your probing into her love life.

[–]DucardthaDon0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

There isn't any competition between men so to speak, there's competition between women your ex knows this, 80/20 rule.

[–]Oh_Debussy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This is gold.

[–]Domebeers0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I think this post, translated from blue pill to red pill, reads as follows

"I'm still in love with my post wall ex, who uses me as an emotional tampon. She tells me about all her troubles dating, and I eagerly listen to it in the hopes that she will fall in love with me again. No, I'm not sleeping with her.

Anyway, she says the men she attracts, post wall, aren't up to her standards. She is pretty sure this has nothing to do with her, because, afterall, why would it? She's a unicorn!"

Listen hoss, I'm over 30 with some SMV...I don't talk to girls over 28, and even then only if I'm desperate. 18 - 24 remains the sweet spot. If you are on a dating app and you have your filter set to even see women over probably implies something.

So your girl is probably not quite the catch she thinks she is, but she doesn't want to confront that reality. Cognitive dissonance.

[–]workthrowaway123730 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It depends your location. Where I live prepare for the hunger games.

[–]alphakari0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

She's post-wall. Any of the guys who don't have that shit, even the beta dudes, generally want a younger woman than 30

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