A woman is 6X more likely than a man to be divorced/separated from their spouse when diagnosed with a serious illness. How can this fit into the theory of hypergamy?

OutOfOranges · 2020-06-07T03:22:05+00:00

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wittypink · 2020-06-06T23:08:04+00:00

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sublimemongrel · 2020-06-06T23:30:36+00:00

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Barely-moral · 2020-06-06T22:44:44+00:00

Time to bring this comment again

TheBookOfSeil · 2020-06-07T00:43:08+00:00

The study states that men are more likely to divorce their sick wives, and women are more likely to stay with their sick husbands. If women were truly more opportunistic and hypergamous that men, why would they be much more likely to stay with a partner that can’t provide for them financially, emotionally, and sexually?

I can't speak for those men, specifically, but it seems like men don't develop an emotional relationship/bond to their wives to the extent that women do with their husbands. Men typically enter into relationships to secure steady access to sexual resources. If their partners become unable to provide sexual resources, the men become increasingly likely to have an affair or cheat because men's sex drives aren't sustained or satiated by tender emotions/romantic feelings for their spouses.

This is probably the reason that men leave and women stay.

CosmicBioHazard · 2020-06-07T00:43:49+00:00

I'll have a guess:

Most of the time these kinds of serious illnesses affect older people, who are past the sort of "child-bearing" age. The average woman with a sick husband, even if she's opportunistic, is already past the point of having anything to gain by leaving him for someone else; they've got savings, they've got insurance, and it's not like she can land some rich guy who's out to waste money on sugar babies.

Meanwhile, an opportunistic old(ish) guy with a terminally ill wife is in relatively better a position to take whatever wealth he has and use it to tempt some young trophy. It's not as big an obstacle that he's not young.

OutOfOranges · 2020-06-07T00:16:42+00:00

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wittypink · 2020-06-07T00:51:40+00:00

Women connect, vibe and ride for men emotionally than men, FACT. Women don’t judge so much on “fitness/sexiness”, more connection. Ultimately, women are more likely to be loyal to men because that emotional connection is paramount. Do the maths

SpartasBest · 2020-06-07T01:51:30+00:00

Just like anyone on this sub it’s mostly women who are femcels, or pink/black pilled feminist and FDS women who come here to state questions or studies to “prove” to themselves in a form of confirmation bias on certain studies to prove to them selves “the opposite sex is bad and that’s why I don’t want them” many black pill/red pilled guys and MGTOW guys don’t this as well and reality of the situation it gets us nowhere. And based on your post history you seem to be the in the FDS/femcel category.

So before I go into my “answer/response” let me state this. As some one who is “red pilled or purple pill or whatever” I always try to give the opposite “women” the benefit of the doubt. But also am not blind to female and male nature when it comes to the positives and negatives of each sex.

So,

hypergamy isn’t a theory it’s a term used to describe when one sex marries or enters a sexual relationship with a partner who’s superior to them in “x” ways for stability or other reasons.

Why these men are divorcing their wives more when they are sick and the women staying in the relationship can be chalked up to really anything as the study you linked did not go into any specifics as to why men do. The his study is also from 2009 so I’m certain within the last 11 years another study could have been done on this to see different results has marriages within the last 10 years have only gone downhill with women initiating divorce more often then men by more then half within recent years, so keep that in mind.

Now if I’m or some one else is supposed to link a study or something to counter this well I’m sure there are other studies but let’s go into this with a more practical way using ocams razor.

The only “reason” this study states is that women are more likely to rapidly commit to family burdens and the home

That was the only reason they stated.

So instead of asking men, why do you think this is/was happening? And what does it look like now 11 years later

Smoogs2 · 2020-06-06T23:57:22+00:00

It literally has nothing to do with hypergamy. Leaving a sick spouse has nothing to do with the desire for financial status.

peachsphinx · 2020-06-06T22:46:38+00:00

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peachsphinx · 2020-06-06T22:46:24+00:00

Per study by Harvard sociologist Alexandra Killewald:

For marriages formed after 1975, husbands’ lack of full-time employment is associated with higher risk of divorce, but neither wives’ full-time employment nor wives’ share of household labor is associated with divorce risk.

Expectations of wives’ homemaking may have eroded, but the husband breadwinner norm persists.

Which is bloody disgusting, shameful exploitation of men as

SLAVES

Any man agreeing to such disgraceful exploitation is a pussy BEGGAR, a sucker, dupe, falling for a flimflam shell game

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ifosfacto · 2020-06-07T00:48:29+00:00

To me it doesn't contradict hypergamy. While this studies older long-term married couples, when it comes to relationships that are not long-term yet or involves dating, women are more inclined to give the male with health issues the flick (from my observations over the years). Hypergamy at work when the woman is making her decision to select the guy or stay in a relationship (not marriage) with him. Many women will consider a man with health issues less masculine/less a man/less capable/less a provider. There are more knights out there than Florence nightingale angels when it comes to younger people. When you are then reviewing a 30-40 yr marriage its a different dynamic.

From memory reading this study or similar there was a high % of women with masectomies involved, which on top of weight gain/loss, loss of vitality, prior simmering tensions, age, is going to damage her sex appeal obviously to her partner. I'm not trying to justify the husbands leaving their wives. Its a double tragedy for the wives, and so much for 'in sickness and in health'. For better or worse doesnt worse doesnt quite work out for lots of husbands either with 70% of divorces being initiated by the wife. The age aspect is going to be a relevant factor here for hypergamy, the younger the woman the more options while its the opposite for the older wife with a sick husband, however I do feel a wife would be feel more guilty initiating leaving a sick husband then a healthy one, though it seems less so the when its the other way around.

Pastelitomaracucho · 2020-06-07T00:51:06+00:00

No one has ever denied that males are hypergamous.

maljo24 · 2020-06-07T02:00:47+00:00

All men are like that.

SaBahRub · 2020-06-07T02:16:50+00:00

Men are not caretakers, sadly

rubbooyuri · 2020-06-07T02:37:22+00:00

It doesn’t. It does, however, fit into the commonly expressed attitude that men only value women as affection/sex dispensers

TripleMaxor · 2020-06-07T02:38:07+00:00

Women initiate 69% of divorce according to a 2015 study, especially when men lose their income. What this means is men starting divorce is only 30%. Basically the amount of women getting divorced while sick is eventually small within the 30% of total. So in 1000 divorces 700 were women leaving their husband some while sick and 300 men leaving wife some while sick.

ResponsibleCharacter · 2020-06-07T02:38:39+00:00

Men are incapable of love, more at 7

Seriously though.

QS26 · 2020-06-07T03:23:03+00:00

This statistic has nothing to do with hypergamy. In this instance it doesn’t even actually happen.

HOLYREGIME · 2020-06-06T22:51:06+00:00

I’ll keep it simple. Men select for attraction and loyalty. Women select for attraction and resources.

For example, society accepts men cheating vs a woman cheating. The guy is suppose to leave her when she cheats and the woman is suppose to forgive him when he cheats. Generally speaking.

Now you didn’t marry him because he was loyal. You married him because he was a 8/10 and made 100k+. Seemed like a good partner. Also take into consideration the man is suppose to die before the woman. This is a potential inverse scenario.

Now don’t mistake him dying with a lack of resources. He has life insurance. His finances will go to someone and that’s often the wife and children. She’s not leaving, this is the moment she’s been waiting for.

DeepCrimsonPill · 2020-06-06T23:04:22+00:00

First of all - one niche instance of female loyalty doesn't change the facts of women as selectors, women preferring signals of high status, and women initiating most divorce. Men leaving when women are sick doesn't change women's fantasies for a werewolf pirate CEO billionaire who's kind of a dick.

Secondly, why should feminists care about this stat at all? Marriage is just a patriarchal institution meant to restrain women. Men are not entitled to a woman until death do them part anymore. So I think if a woman wants to end her marriage over dirty dishes, a man should be free to end his marriage in his wife's hour of need because her bald, anorexic body isn't putting out anymore. To say anything less is female entitlement. If women want freedom, give men freedom as well, and let everyone suffer the consequences.

Slyfer_Seven · 2020-06-06T23:46:09+00:00

Geez, this again. If it's the same study as all the rest then it says a man is less likely to divorce his wife when she gets sick, but a woman as next to no chance of leaving her husband.

The chance for divorce does not increase with sickness for either side...

Sid_Insidious · 2020-06-07T00:15:17+00:00

Well, had I listened to my friends and coworkers who raised eyebrows at my having a bit of a problematic girlfriend, I would have not married her in the first place. And not only did I not abandon my partner with ongoing physical and mental health problems, she fucking left ME the second she got well enough to do so. Afterwards, she said that I really didn't help her at all - but instead was simply enabling her.

Well fuck me gently.

These "men just run away from sick women" bullshit posts just make me throw up in my mouth a little.

Men: If she shows signs of past abuse, "trauma", mental health issues, ongoing physical health issues: Trust me. Just. Fucking. Run. There are no medals for "healing the sick" or tolerating a bat-shit crazy female. Tell her to date a doctor or a shrink.

A woman is 6X more likely than a man to be divorced/separated from their spouse when diagnosed with a serious illness. How can this fit into the theory of hypergamy?

LOL

Expectations of wives’ homemaking may have eroded, but the husband breadwinner norm persists.

SLAVES

LIKE THE PUSSY BEGGING SLAVES THEY ARE