My Interview with Dylan Love of Business Insider

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So you've probably already seen the article which doesn't quite convey what the red pill is, or give it much of a fair shot. I'm actually surprised, he managed to keep a more level head than I was expecting, but I'm sad he didn't really present the points I gave him.. if anybody can explain the purpose of this sub I think I know what I'm talking about..

Anyway, thought I'd post up my interview, since very little got quoted, and some of it out of context.

  • I realize there's a lot to unpack here, but what are the ideas behind Red Pill?

Most of the ideas revolve around the idea that men and women are fundamentally different, due to evolution. Both men and women have different strengths and weaknesses. Men evolved traits that complimented women’s traits, and vice-versa. For instance, women have a 9-month gestation period, and can give birth. Men certainly don’t have that ability, but they have a complimentary ability. They developed larger muscles and can take care of and protect women during their gestation period. We can observe that today- men statistically have better upper body strength than women. We extrapolate on these types of known facts and theorize that they are just a few of many differences – both physically, but also instinctually and preferentially.

We call our group “The Red Pill” in reference to the Matrix movie. Cheesy for sure, but it’s an apt analogy. We see that most cultures today have deemed it politically incorrect to recognize or even discuss gender differences, with no regard for whether or not such differences actually exist. Our focus is accepting these differences, despite being told they’re politically incorrect.

A lot of people view this as sexism, in a malevolent way, and I think it’s important to point out that in fact we hold the principle of equal opportunity in high regard; it’s the desire for equal outcome that we disagree with- something that we strongly feel feminism pushes for.

  • I hate phrasing the question this way, but it's the way a layperson would ask it: Do Red Pillers hate women?

Delving into red pill ideas is sometimes a very shocking experience for some, especially for those who were raised to believe the politically correct ideals reflected nature. The road to our forum is paved with bad experiences, men who have never been loved, have loved and lost, men who have tried and failed, or men who succeeded and were taken advantage of.

So when they realize their failures were within their control to avoid, it can induce a bit of anger. They are angry, they’re upset that they feel lied to, that our society repeats lies and half-truths about the nature of attraction- and even about the nature of themselves! It’s a jarring experience.

I think that a lot of the men have a misplaced anger towards women. I wouldn’t say it’s hatred- no, they’re interested in red pill theory because they want to learn how to be better with women. But there is a temporary anger. We have examples posted every day of women acting contrary to what we’re told women would do… because in our culture, women are mostly regarded as the good sex, the one that does no harm. Our subreddit pulls back the curtain and says, “hey look, these women are human just like everybody else. It’s time to put away your idealistic views and embrace reality.”

A lot of onlookers think that means we hate women, or that we’re all very angry. I think it misses the point. We’ve provided one of the very few spaces where men can feel comfortable communicating openly with other men. The fact that we demonstrate women acting in these ways might look like we’re blaming women. It’s a subtle nuance that is missed by most onlookers- we’re not blaming them. We’re trying to understand them. Why they might act the way they do.

One of the major reasons we’ve grown so quickly was the moderation decisions we’ve made not to censor anger and bitterness. Instead, we understand it to be a natural part of the healing process. It would seem to me that society deeming these perfectly natural emotions as wrong is a big portion of why these men are seeking out a space like The Red Pill in the first place.

We take that anger and bitterness, and we try to use it to be constructive. Eventually the anger passes, and all that’s left is the future and the question: What are you going to do with this information?

Most guys take their new understanding of relationships and women, and apply it. They go to the gym, work out, get fit, and learn how to communicate with women in ways that produce successful relationships.

The understanding that we have is that a majority of relationship failures can be prevented by improving ourselves. That certainly doesn’t sound like we hate women. Most people are too blinded by the course language and hyperbole that is inherent in male communication to see past it- these guys just want to find belonging and love, like anybody else.

  • Do Red Pillers have a word or name that refers to the collective group? What about a term for Red Pill ideas/platform?

The Red Pill is a collection of ideas and theories encompassed by what we refer to as the “manosphere” which is a collection of blogs that focus on masculinity and personal philosophy for men.

We typically just call ourselves red pillers, though there are a lot of sub-groups in the manosphere. Men going their own way (MGTOW), puerarchs, married red-pill men, MRAs… to name a few. The major differences between the groups aren’t really ideological, but instead philosophical looking at their answers to the question: “what should I do with the knowledge I have?”

Some men use this information to make better relationships with women. Some men decide to avoid women altogether.

  • Does this ever go offline? Do people write Congress to urge for changing laws identified as emasculating? Meetups in the meatspace? Other stuff?

Currently, there isn’t much offline group activity outside of the men’s rights movement (which the red pill overlaps with in some places).

One major issue is that feminists tend to try to censor those they disagree with. One of the best tools we have with our community is anonymity. We’ve seen what happens when a feminist starts getting upset and making waves. People lose jobs, people lose families, people get death threats from white knights.. Adria Richards comes to mind.

Individually, however, we take this information into the world every day, and apply it in our lives.

We’re definitely a little different from the men’s rights movement, in the sense that we don’t seek to “fix” society or our government. In fact, a lot of us feel that things are beyond fixing. Sure it’d be nice if reproductive rights were equal between women and men, but nobody’s holding their breath about it.

A majority of our goals are personal and interpersonal improvement. Not really something to write your congressperson for.

  • In general, is there a "type" of person that ends up subscribing to Red Pill ideas?

I think anybody and everybody could apply red pill ideas in their lives and improve dramatically in their jobs, relationships, and families. Some people grew up already understanding these basic ideas. Some people have hit rock bottom and come to them with an open mind. When everything you try doesn’t work, you start looking for less conventional options.

A common theme among new-comer posts reflects that the ideas seem to “click,” and there’s always a little embarrassment that they didn’t come to these ideas sooner.

Some people think the ideas are so obvious that we must be social outcasts for not having understood these ideas sooner. I guess different upbringing makes a big difference.

  • Care to share a personal story (non-identifying is obviously okay) that affirms Red Pill ideas?

It’s hard to demonstrate precisely the changes I’ve made in my life and how profound of an effect they’ve had in a short story- but I can give you a glimpse:

Some of the basic skills I’ve learned include learning to be confident and learning how to pass what we refer to as fitness tests (shit tests). It feels a little unusual at first, doing and saying things that you’ve learned your whole life are wrong, but I manned-up and tried it anyway..

Sure enough I found myself being far more successful in relationships. Meeting women was easier. Women liked me more. And the best part was that I didn’t feel like navigating a relationship was like flying blind- I was confident in what I was doing, and it kept attraction alive in places where I’d otherwise kill it.

We get stories every day from husbands rekindling their marriages, guys being more successful meeting women, guys having more luck at work, and most importantly: guys feeling better about themselves. It’s absolutely amazing to watch some of these guys grow from being depressed and feeling helpless to becoming strong and confident. It’s a very rewarding experience, from my perspective.

  • How did TRP start? Offshoot of men's rights movement? Something else?

The red pill started when another fellow founded it- he has since left. He and I were in communication when he started it, his intention was to give men a place to discuss life as men openly. He was an avid men's rights supporter, and a regular contributor to the pickup forums. But the problem was that these places were starting to fold to appease the feminist narrative- they wanted to change their language to make it more palatable to feminist sensibilities, which took a toll on the very communication that was supposed to be taking place. They were afraid to appear as though they "hated" women, even though they didn't.

This is a common problem that we've identified, when feminism invades a space, they control it by controlling the language. Nobody wants to be politically incorrect, lest they suffer the scorn of the feminist movement.

  • What's the difference (if any) between TRP and men's rights?

The men's rights movement identifies and recognizes legal injustices. The Red Pill recognizes inter-personal differences. There is some overlap. I think that the changes the men's rights movement suggests could help all men, and it's an important movement. But it still doesn't really address the personal problems that we see today: divorces and relationship failures... these aren't necessarily legal issues, but they are real.

  • Fair to call The Misandry Bubble something of a TRP Declaration of Independence or manifesto?

The misandry bubble is a unique look at our culture, in economic terms. It was written long before the red pill forum was constructed, but has always been seen as a rather apt analysis of the problems we face today. For a lot of men, they're issues that we're told don't exist- so we almost feel crazy when we read it and it makes sense.

The red pill group is very loosely tied together, with a focus on reality and truth. So in that, I wouldn't say we have a manifesto, but if we did, that would be it.

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Title My Interview with Dylan Love of Business Insider
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Date 15 September 2013 05:05 PM UTC (7 years ago)
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[–]Modredpillschool[S] 74 points75 points  (8 children) | Copy

  • Has verbally sharing these ideas with others in your personal life ever generated an especially heated or productive conversation? Were women participating?

A lot of guys aren't ready for this information. I have personal friends who have run into relationship troubles, one after another, and they never quite grasp what they're doing wrong. But you can't exactly explain it to them. There's too much ego and pride invested in the ideals they grew up with. They usually have to hit rock bottom before they really decide to open their eyes and seek out the truth. Some may never.

I've had many friends that were women who have independently agreed with the core ideas of the red pill. Most women are at least somewhat aware of the red pill. There are a ton of similar reports on the forum. There are some very red-pill women who understand what's attractive to them.

  • If a woman adds no value to a man's life, e.g. a female coworker who rarely crosses your path or never have cause to talk to, should she take up any space in a man's mind?

I think it goes both ways. Nobody troubles themselves with people who don't provide some amount of value. Obviously it's uncouth to suggest that interpersonal relationships can be discussed like economics, but there it is. Women rarely give attention to men they don't find value in- it's obvious if you spend a few minutes at a bar. Men will go to great lengths to show value to women. Build muscles, wear fancy clothes, and drive fast cars. Some of these things effectively demonstrate value, some don't.

Men, on the other hand, are quite programmed to see value in women quite easily. This is something that can be abused, if you don't keep your eye on it. Women and men should provide equal value to each other, in a good relationship. The problem for a lot of guys that end up on The Red Pill is that they find themselves providing a lot of value (buying things for women, providing, being as good to them as possible), because they over-value the very fact that they're women. We theorize that women don't even like that!

[–]gmflag14 points15 points  (6 children) | Copy

This is confirming evidence that society sadly values feelings more than fact.

It's amazing how some of this journalism ends up more like an adult version of the game Telephone.

This was a contributing reason to me to quit watching TV and follow mainstream media for the most part.

[–]veggie_girl5 points6 points  (5 children) | Copy

society sadly values feelings more than fact.

It only appears that way, and primarily because women control the media. Hence this article. And there is more emotional bullshit in the media than ever before in history, more biased "reporting" like the BI article, and less neutral "real" journalism.

Ethical news agencies are NOT supposed to take sides in the stories they run, but it is very clear that Business Insider and just about all others have surrendered their ethics.

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primarily because women control the media. Hence this article. And there is more emotional bullshit in the media than ever before in history


[–]TheGoodBro2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

cf. Trayvon Martin

It's understandable that its come to this. They're businesses and can make more money stirring the pot than they can being neutral and simply reporting the facts.

A Fox news reporter made a statement about my college in regards to the Boston bombing. Some girl had been awarded something and the Mayor handed it to her personally iirc. Anyways the reporter said 'the Mayor was willing to address this student and give her the award but wasn't willing to talk about the bombing incident at all in relation to our school.' The girl took it as a personal insult and made a Facebook post about how she's tired of being judged for going to this school. She quite literally thought she was being directly attacked and that he wasn't just trying to point out something about the Mayor. This FB post had like 500 shares by noon. I was the only one to publicly call horse shit on her over reaction and a bastion of white knights arose before she even had the time to delete my post and delete me as a friend. Instead of discussing it like an adult she just ignored my opinion and completely removed me as an individual from her life. Some of her close friends also deleted me whereas others addressed me in person saying they also thought she completely over reacted. Was a real life example of watching someone turn themselves into a victim over nothing.

[–]veggie_girl5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Solipsism knows no bounds.

[–]no_game_player0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Ah yes, social media, where everyone can learn to be even more biased and shrill than the talking heads they've learned from. O Brave New World, that has such creatures in't.

[–]no_game_player-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's understandable that its come to this.

Further, it has always been this way. See also: "Remember the Maine". See Civil War journals, on all sides. See Revolutionary War presses. Whether it's for increased circulation or for their "side", non-objective journalism is the norm.

[–]ArchangelleFuckOff1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Sticky this thread instead of the crosslink thread. We're going to be getting lots of visitors over the next little while.

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[–]16 TRP VanguardTRPsubmitter20 points21 points  (8 children) | Copy

While very subtle and not explicit, I also thought he misrepresented the quote he took from me. He took a quote of mine in order to explain why we are "controversial" and "turn heads" (aka say naughty things). In fact, I was responding to a thread on /r/asktrp where a guy was concerned that TRP was making him bitter towards women:

Cognitive dissonance. You are hating women because you have the wrong expectations for them. Don't hate someone for something they CANNOT be. Women are, by nature, manipulative, attention-seeking, inconsistent, emotional and hypergamous. Accept this truth. Once you do, you can game women for what they are...not what you want them to be. (asktrp/comments/1k9jie/how_to_deal_with_the_fact_that_adopting_the/cbmptd0)

He also took a downvoted "rant" post from some other guy and used that as a representative of TRP. The original post was a wall of text that everyone downvoted, but he uses that in his article. It's not a quality representation of what we're about and he knew that. Seems like his subtle goal was to create controversy rather than explain it.

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Seems like his subtle goal was to create controversy rather than explain it.

This is standard journalism these days. The articles you read in major newspapers, especially those dealing with politics and world affairs, are more often composed of subtly crafted narratives meant to sway public opinion rather than objective analysis.

[–]16 TRP VanguardTRPsubmitter1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Well said. Shouldn't expect those on the outside who clearly buy into society's view to agree with TRP.

And it's important that /r/theredpill doesn't give into this concern trollish article and censor outsiders will be coming.

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[–]gmflag0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Remember, the Feminista army wants The Red Pill and Manosphere destroyed. They see us as a threat to their power because we are discovering truth. Truth can only be suppressed for so long.

I am not the biggest fan of Paul Elam, but he did get one statement correct. You may not be able to convince the opposing side; however, you may have convinced a few in the audience.

[–]rr_89760 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

But isn't that just a ridiculous idea that modern Journalism sees to hold to - this idea that collectives have some guiding force?

Your points above hint at this (we let people rant) but weren't explicit. I think you should have rammed that home. This is a place to rant in anonymity and, over time, come good. There is no guiding force here, this is a loose, un-censored outpouring, and the best way to understand the community is not through the one off comments that are said in frustration and anger, but the whole context of replies that follow and the changes that occur in individuals.

[–]no_game_player0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

"subtle"? Let's take a look at the headline:

Inside Red Pill, The Weird New Cult For Men Who Don't Understand Women

Oh, yeah, that's subtle all right.


[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

his name is Dylan LOVE. I'll be damned if he doesn't believe in sappy, romantic, princess stories. For all we know, he's reading all this wearing his tiara right now.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan34 points35 points  (12 children) | Copy

We just hit 16k subscribers so thank you very much for the additional push Dylan. Also, get an off server forum ready. More numbers = more hate from scooby and the gang.

[–]someotherdudeagain5 points6 points  (5 children) | Copy

What's the biggest subreddit that the admins killed so far?

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[–]TRP VanguardCyralea0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Wasn't jailbait killed because SRS threatened to doxx the owner? Not that it's any less reprehensible.

[–]sirpsycho31 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It was killed because Anderson Cooper addressed reddit as a place for child pornography on air

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I think gawker actually did doxx the main moderator

[–]no_game_player0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

No, it was killed for cp associations. There was a post where commentators were asking for nudes.

/r/knuckledeepinpublic was nuked for slanegirl, presumably.

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Also, get an off server forum ready.

You mean like a Puerarchy add-on?

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

Yeah something like that

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I like the idea, but I can't really get behind the "democratic voting system" of Reddit.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Well if it was off server it would be an independent forum software, like vBulletin or Invision or some shit.

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Right because most forums list by "most recently commented on"

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

True maybe there's a way to change that

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[–]Modredpillschool[S] 28 points29 points  (3 children) | Copy

He was doing an article on the red pill, either I at least try to give our perspective or I don't. I think the article would've been worse if I hadn't tried.

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If you hadn't offered direction for the piece he would simply have dug through and found the most unflattering snippets of inanity he could and used those. You can't prevent him from putting us in a bad light, but you at least steered where it went.

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Am I the only one who thinks this article wasn't so terrible? He quoted most of your main points, sure he quoted that rabid redpill-hating feminazi as a counterpoint, but she doesn't sound that convincing. I think it's a relatively honest article, he didn't distort what redpillschool said him in that interview at least.

[–]someotherdudeagain4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

It wasn't near the hatchet-job he could have been. The author kept a mainstream bias, but hey? What can you expect?

There were no deliberate lies or distortions or attempts to create false controversy and lots of direct quotes.

[–]someotherdudeagain5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

Business Insider recently fired their CTO Pax Dickinson for the proximate cause of arguing with feminists over what constituted "misogyny"

[–]no_game_player1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

To be fair, wtf is a CTO doing making the news?

Edit: Although:

Similarly, if you think talented female engineers are the equivalent of unicorns, as Dickinson has said in a tweet, that says more about your biases than the actual talent pool.

Hahaha, riiiiight. Someone is talking out their ass. And it ain't Dickinson. Perfect name for this too, heh.

Edit 2:

Let's end on a personal anecdote about being a woman in the technology field. When I wrote about a recent Sony gaming announcement this week, I received hate mail asking how much Microsoft gaming executive Larry Hryb had paid me to perform a sexual act on him (the sexual act was also misspelled). I bet Hanna Rosin ten bucks that my male co-workers would not have received the same sexualized hate mail if they had written the same piece.

Oh wow. So the proof of sexism in tech is that Internet commentators speak profanely, eh? Wow, what a horrible place that Internet is. Good thing it's representative of what the professional world is. Well, as long as we've got mis-spelt blowjobs in hate mail, we definitely need more affirmative action, eh?

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but I have a feeling it will just enrage the haters.

Let them rage.

[–]AboveAFC 7 points7 points [recovered] | Copy

I would normally agree, but I worry that the sheer numbers of keyboard feminists out there might push Reddit to get rid of us. I do quite enjoy the thoughts here and would like to see it unflooded and moving forward.

Could just be that I live in China and every single western chick I talk to is a raging feminist "in theory" which they will gladly proclaim to everyone. I can only imagine BI has more than a few of these as followers.

[–]5 Endorsed ContributorStayinghereforreal2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy

All feminists are such: only in theory. When shit gets real--i.e., there are actually consequences to their claimed equality--then there are exceptions and further discussions to be had. harrumph harrumph

Because bad outcomes from choices made by those claiming equality demonstrate not equality, but rather ongoing imperfect results from lingering patriarchy.

[–]Rienfleche1010116 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy

Bill Burr once said,

"There are no feminists in a house fire".

How many of these tattooed, skrillex-haired, feminists fighting for "equality" would stand back and let men out of the building before them?

[–]5 Endorsed ContributorStayinghereforreal12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

When I see brigades of women volunteers and draftees marching to the front of the firefight, to start populating Arlington and defend their nation, then we can talk equality.

Until then, it is just a bunch of upper middle class women demanding the same outcome for less effort.

[–]PIBagent1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I've heard something similar: There are no feminists on a sinking ship.

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[–]Miamiheat870 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I don't really care for the publicity. All I care about is that I found this section of Reddit and it has opened my eyes. I prefer there are less of us so we can better take advantage of this.

I haven't been able to go out for awhile due to limiting circumstances but I still feel a great hope that this is exactly what attraction is about in men and women relations.

[–]Deansdale15 points16 points  (2 children) | Copy

Red Pill isn't actually the other side of the gender relations coin, but a group of hateful, militant extremists

You know the group Femen? Yeah, the feminist group destroying christian monuments and disrupting various religious and sporting events. Their website have banners showing mutilated parts of men dripping with blood. Police have found a weapon and a grenade at their headquarters. Don't mind them, it's these guys at reddit, trying to understand women, who are the militant extremists.

[–]No_disintegrations1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Oh, the group founded by a MAN?

[–]Newthinker0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

She entirely misunderstands the implications of the word "militant."

[–]VodkaTankerSpill11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy

Thank you for providing transcript. I think this should be pinned to the sidebar or made a top post because these are the questions many newcomers might want to read when they find TRP.

[–]__var5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Especially if they came here after reading the business insider article.

[–]AlfredTheGreatest17 points18 points  (0 children) | Copy

No such thing as bad publicity. I think the article was stupid, but expect an influx in interest anyway.

[–]TRP19888 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy

Like I said in the other topic on this article, I'm pretty sure this article was just an attempt at damage control after their CTO was forced to resign last week.

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I'm surprised it wasn't more biased then to be honest

[–]5 Endorsed ContributorStayinghereforreal13 points14 points  (2 children) | Copy

I saw the article as typical agenda-journalism, where the reporter is pushing an op-ed viewpoint via "reporting." Facts have to fit the viewpoint to get included.

[–]AequitasExMachina8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy

Every guy has some Red Pill thoughts, it's just not something most will say openly, due to cultural pressure.

His article is basically denying that, to score some popularity points. Women have a habit of bestowing social value on anyone who tells them what they want to hear.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Unfortunately you can't cash in those points for vaginas.

[–]ekjohnson910 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

"Business Insider" is blog spam for trust fund babies and 1st year analysts. Who cares what they think?

[–]ChameleonMorgan8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy

I'm here because of Business Insider. After I read the article I signed up right away. I read in between the lines of the skew that the article took and I quickly understood this site to be a place I want to be part of. I'm sure I will enjoy it here. Also I'm sure the editor of the article felt the need to slant it the way he did just to save face.

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Glad to hear it. Hey maybe this is a good thing, only the people intelligent enough to spot his bias and think for themselves will come here! ;D

[–]zionController2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

"This user shares a field report of getting a "snowflake" to send him a nude picture by appealing to her "naughty side" shortly after meeting her and her boyfriend:

I ask her where her boyfriend is. She says 'You tell me! He's not here right now and when he is, he usually criticizes me.' I am so grateful for my luck. This woman is all emotional. Women go crazy when they're emotional. Time to make her doubt this bf and look at me for some sexual release."

I got a repost from Business Insider. Wow.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Do not worry. I read the article and it is as good as we could have expected. The important thing is that the readers can Google 'red pill' to get the real information.

[–]throwaway-o1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

The more of this blatantly defamatory shit is published, the less useful a Google search will be for people.

[–]Miamiheat874 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

I think it would be more accurate that women and men are different due to sex and not evolution. When you say evolution it implies we are evolving away from each other as a gender. Gender itself in our species is what makes us different.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Gender is what makes us different because we evolved that way.

[–]Miamiheat870 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yes and it's why we act differently than other life forms who multiply in various ways.

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A lot of onlookers think that means we hate women, or that we’re all very angry. I think it misses the point. We’ve provided one of the very few spaces where men can feel comfortable communicating openly with other men. The fact that we demonstrate women acting in these ways might look like we’re blaming women. It’s a subtle nuance that is missed by most onlookers- we’re not blaming them. We’re trying to understand them. Why they might act the way they do.

Do you hate the shark for attacking the seal? Or do you observe it and try to figure out what caused the attack, and how to avoid being in the seal's place the next time?

That is redpill. We're the guys watching the shark saying "Hmmm, that seal's in the wrong spot. I'm not going into that spot. That spot sucks."

[–]malignantbacon0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I've been on trp a couple times before and seen it discussed among peers. Many of them seem to think we're the ones watching the shark and trying to emulate that, and I doubt many of them will make the effort to understand the distinction. Subscribed, and best of luck to the sub in handling the incoming flood of visitors.

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[–]isandro-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

Is disagreement also an option, is are 'agree' and 'don't understand' the only options?

[–]lifesbrink1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

When one looks at facts and disagrees with them on some moral basis, they are free to do so, though it is highly impractical.

[–]selfsufficientnigga1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thank you.

[–]AndroidKim1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

We see that most cultures today have deemed it politically incorrect to recognize or even discuss gender differences, with no regard for whether or not such differences actually exist. Our focus is accepting these differences, despite being told they’re politically incorrect.

This is the essence of the Red Pill, elegantly distilled into two sentences. No perceived bitterness, "misogyny," or mention of jargon like "sexual market value" or the alpha/beta dichotomy. I like it.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy


[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy

Have you ever considered finding a media consultant?

You've gotten raped twice by news orgs, so i think you might need some professional help in this area.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 8 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy

There's nothing you can do to stop haters from hating. I gave him the information, nobody can force him to print it.

[–]throwaway-o-2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy

Media consultant. Will reduce the media rape. Listen to blush.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy

You make the mistake of thinking

  1. That I give a shit about the media's portrayal.

  2. That a media consultant will make us look good without modifying everything about the red pill.

  3. That the red pill desires to look good.

[–]throwaway-o-3 points-2 points  (0 children) | Copy

OK OK, have it your way.

[–]JohnPeel4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

An MSM website creating a false controversy by misrepresenting facts in order to get page hits? Who would've thought?!

Anyway to further our point, this stuff isn't actually new but rather "lost" knowledge. Neuroscientists have quietly been compiling the evidence for decades now. It's just that most of it is overshadowed by the overly vocal "soft" science community who advocate that nurture is everything. If you want a properly cited book then read "the female brain" by Dr Louann Brizendine. It's a short book because about 100 pages of it are nothing but citations by actual scientists.

It doesn't really help when arguing with Feminists because they are using their own incorrect sources for personal validation, not out of any attempt to find the truth as some people might naively assume. It does however help when discussing this thing with the average man.

[–]warrenz2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Great post! I am in a mens organization in the northeast and have been actively involved for the last 20 years. I can speak for this community that we agree wholeheartedly with the message of this TRP. There are 1000s of men I know who are part of this in an underground way - as you can of course understand why - and would love to hear more. I will be sharing. Thanks for this.

[–]rule_of_law0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

When ANY reader reads "militant extremists" when describing a group where "there isn't much offline group activity" they KNOW someone is full of shit.

That's one good part of this article. The Red Pill and the interviewer are the only ones left in the room looking halfway sane!

[–]rule_of_law0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

When ANY reader reads "militant extremists" when describing a group where "there isn't much offline group activity" they KNOW someone is full of shit.

That's one good part of this article. The Red Pill and the interviewer are the only ones left in the room looking halfway sane!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Any press is good press, we're not some militant wing of the mens rights movement and thats plain to anyone who wants to take the time to read the sidebar. Too high an influx of new users? people calling us bitter? use your downvote. Thats a great example as well, because what if...someone came here...and GASP they were in fact bitter? well maybe they rant and maybe we listen and maybe they lurk for awhile and maybe they learn something.

I think It was pretty level headed all things considerd, and yes they made it sound like we were going to warp the fragile minds of these 15 year old boys and get them to join our fanatic "cult" , I think a degenerate society that sexualizes younger and younger women promotes promiscuity and actively encourages the cock carousel on one hand while calling us "animals" and treating us like garbage with the other hand will and does do that just fine. Maybe these "concerned" men should go try to help young men to be better men themselves, or teach there daughters to have integrity, self worth and value instead of bashing on us from a keyboard.

As ever, the information is here for anyone to read.

[–]icallmyselfmonster0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Pax Dickinson, who was fired for misogynistic comments on his twitter account, recently did an AMA :

I have the feeling that there is a bit of an invasion of Business Insider in here of late. And they are astroturfing.

[–]troubadour14920 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I hate it when they mangle my interviews like this. One and only one time, they actually published everything I wrote verbatim. I was so happy! Usually they put words in my mouth, take everything out of context, and just make me look stupid.

(Note to self, this is a good example of the kind of bait Roosh talks about. I need to work dropping this into a conversation with some chick. Interviewed? Who ARE you? Heh, heh, heh. Although sadly it's all dweebish stuff that would go over the average girl's head. "Oh, you got interviewed for some computer thing. I like puppies.")

[–]lifesbrink0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This article needs to be spread, so that people see the lies of Business Insider.

[–]caius_iulius_caesar0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Is this being kept top of the front page artificially?

[–]Nitzi1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

All businesses want to sell much, you dont offer what nobody buys. And journalism is a business, it is obvious that he has to cut the parts nobody wants to read.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I would have preferred rollo or heartiste spoke for us

Not sure i agree with letting the media or a liberal chump like this author the honor of the red pill

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

He was going to write the article regardless.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

considering what it was, i really don't think the article was that bad. keep in mind, some stupid cunt feminist wrote as much as you did. there was an attempt to be fair and he still sided with you in terms of words. it's a win.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

If anything, I think you pandered too much; you were too soft in your responses. Well written, indeed, but you could have easily laid the hammer down on so many occasions. I felt as though I was reading something I would say of TRP if I was trying to get laid. He can't give you pussy, give him the hammer.

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