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Old plate owes me $20k, concerned about repercussions of suing her for it.

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December 2, 2018
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I know what you're going to say, "you're a fuckwit." Truth was this was before I discovered TRP.

A bit of context: I have inherited close to $2 million from my late grandmother and since my plate and I were good friends, she knew about this. Next thing you know her car dies, and she sees her dream car for sale in a car yard. She needs a $4k deposit, and I loan it to her. Because that was relatively easy for her, and the fact she knew I had cash savings PLUS a good job, it seemed like every second week there was some huge expense. It was always a loose conversation of "yeah I'll pay you back when I get back up on my feet", financially speaking. And since it didn't feel like anything to me, over the course of 12 months, it has added up to $20k.

Yes, foolish I know, but remember we have to learn from billy betas (my) mistakes to further our own life, and this didn't affect me really at all. The ironic thing is though, that since I had a bit of money and because she was living week to week, I would always reassure her that it was no big deal and she could pay back when she could. The kicker? I found out she fucked my best friend. Huge betrayal due to the fact we were good friends, and given how much I had helped her it really angered me. I never really cared if she paid back or not, but now, of course, I want my money back.

There's enough text messages to substantiate suing her for the amount in court, however I fear I come off as childish for doing so. I am in a real mental battle as to what I do. Please help.

EDIT: Legally speaking, I know I have an alright chance. I can always go through small claims which isn't based on hard law, but rather logic, if that makes sense. My main concern is that I live in a somewhat town, and if the word gets around I sued the arse off this poor person when I didn't need to when I have a fair bit which ended up destroying her financially, reputation may go down the shitter.


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Title Old plate owes me $20k, concerned about repercussions of suing her for it.
Author Itsupport4350
Upvotes 87
Comments 383
Date 02 December 2018 11:06 AM UTC (2 years ago)
Subreddit askTRP
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/69538
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/asktrp/comments/a2cf9e/old_plate_owes_me_20k_concerned_about/
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[–]2comment287 points288 points  (5 children) | Copy

A bit of context: I have inherited close to $2 million from my late grandmother and since my plate and I were good friends, she knew about this.

Here's a thought. Quit telling "friends", the internet, everyone how much money you have. It only brings the worst out in people.

Second, learn to say No. And not just on money.

[–]dgillz64 points65 points  (1 child) | Copy

Bingo. There is no way on God's green earth she would've found out my financial status just because we were "good friends".

[–]FrankVillain-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

Here's a thought.

I didn't read the part where he asks for your thought.

[–]dpgproductions5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

What was even the point of your comment? OP ended his post with ‘please help’. Does that not make it clear enough that he’s asking for help?

[–]FrankVillain-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

concerned about the repercussion of suing her for it

Not:

help me understand how I fuck up by judging me and answering question I didn't have

[–]Rkingpin160 points161 points  (53 children) | Copy

I found out she fucked my best friend. Huge betrayal

Brother you betrayed yourself giving this hoe money. This is beta bucks at it's finest.

You have the finances to get a good lawyer, get some self respect back and make sure she doesn't get away with this shit.

[–]NeedingAdvice862 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

The only chance he stands a chance of getting any of this money back that he gave to his GF in the relationship is if she is as stupid as he is......which I doubt as she was likely just throwing him a piece of pussy to keep the bank open.

She is a ho who doesn't value much throwing her pussy around....she doesn't place much value on sex or her pussy...it is just another commodity to be used to get 20K from a dolt.

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 13 points14 points  (51 children) | Copy

Brother you betrayed yourself giving this hoe money. This is beta bukcks at it's finest.

Thank you for your kind and yet wise words. Self respect? Absolutely.

[–]Morphs_25 points26 points  (50 children) | Copy

Consider this an expensive yet absolutely true lesson. You unknowingly positioned yourself as BB, and got treated accordingly.

I'm not sure if it's worth the hassle to get your money back. If she doesn't have an income it doesn't really matter if you win the case. And by lending her all that money you basically reinforced the idea that she can just pussy-pass her way through financial hardship.

A legal case will cost you a lot of time and money probably, and for what? Revenge? Would you take revenge on your teacher for teaching you a lesson in physics? Just something to ponder. It's just laws of nature at work here.

Treat your net worth with care. Don't waste it on hoes. Invest it in vanguard ETFs or something and enjoy your freedom. Never talk to anyone about your net worth again, no matter how awesome or proud you feel about it.

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 2 points3 points  (49 children) | Copy

Consider this an expensive yet absolutely true lesson. You unknowingly positioned yourself as BB, and got treated accordingly.

Trust me, I have learnt the hard way to never position myself as BB no matter what the situation is.

I'm not sure if it's worth the hassle to get your money back. If she doesn't have an income it doesn't really matter if you win the case.

She does, although close to minimum wage. I'm not particularly fussed as to how long it takes (as long as it's not 10 years), as long as I get it all back.

A legal case will cost you a lot of time and money probably, and for what? Revenge? Would you take revenge on your teacher for teaching you a lesson in physics? Just something to ponder. It's just laws of nature at work here.

No money, as she will burden the cost when I win, and it would just be the lawyer's time. Revenge? That's a difficult one. $20k is still a lot of money even if you are a millionaire, but I crave actually having my money back more so than pulling the rug out from underneath her, financially speaking.

[–]honorocagan6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

You’re sure you would win?

“It was a gift. He’s a millionaire and loved me. 🤗”

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

LOL.

[–]FrankVillain0 points1 point  (44 children) | Copy

She does, although close to minimum wage.

Think of it as an incentive for her to better her fucking self toward earning more than min wage.

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 1 point2 points  (43 children) | Copy

Maybe cuck boyfriend can help her.

[–]unique_user91 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Don't act like a beta bitch. Did you forget Awalt and its only your turn? You shouldn't have lent her money. And the problem is not you wanting money back. The problem is you wanting your money back after she fucked another dude. Shows all the beta behaviours when Chad fucks Billy's girl , and Billy wants revenge on them.

And she wasn't your girl. She was a plate. Plate's fuck around. Unless you had feels for her. I think you had feels for her..

[–]CodyCodeine1 point2 points  (41 children) | Copy

You're the cuck dumbass. You always will be.

[–]Itsupport4350[S] -1 points0 points  (40 children) | Copy

I fucked a bloke's wife the other night. Does that make me a cuck you pathetic basterd?

[–]CodyCodeine1 point2 points  (23 children) | Copy

I wonder how much she'll get out of you. I know your only pick up line "granny game me 2 mill"

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 0 points1 point  (22 children) | Copy

$0 cunt

[–]CodyCodeine1 point2 points  (11 children) | Copy

Everyone here knows you're a lil bitch

[–]Itsupport4350[S] -1 points0 points  (10 children) | Copy

lmao. i could fuck your mom with that money

[–]CodyCodeine0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

How's your dead end lawsuit going?

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

lmao

[–]CodyCodeine0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It makes you a piece of shit btw. I hope you don't believe in god

[–]Morphs_0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

She does, although close to minimum wage. I'm not particularly fussed as to how long it takes (as long as it's not 10 years), as long as I get it all back.

From a logical standpoint you have to consider a number of things. First is her mindset. She has a borrowing mindset because she 1) doesn't make enough money and more importantly 2) she doesn't have a saving mindset, but a spending mindset. To change number 2) needs a lot of conscious work.

I did this in the past and when I got 2) down, I eventually was able to pay off my student debt of 23k in 3.5 years. But it took me a lot of work and focus. It was hard to keep throwing money at it. "..and another vacation gone!" I thought at times as I saw another 2k gone. A person in a spending mindset will have too much difficulty paying such a big debt back by herself I'm afraid. If she's somehow forced to, then maybe... but she needs to make enough money.

Not trying to talk you out of it, but know what your chances are. If your main reason is that you want you 20k back, rather than revenging yourself, ask yourself: Do you really feel that missing 20k?

Good luck man!

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

thanks mate x

[–]NoPassengers212 points213 points  (50 children) | Copy

Ask a lawyer if you have a case instead of consulting the fucking mutants on here. You probably don’t but if you do, get your damn money. Stoicism doesn’t mean lying down and letting people walk off with your shit.

[–]GucciMarxist45 points46 points  (0 children) | Copy

instead of consulting the fucking mutants on here.

I figuratively died, haha, i wish i had more upvotes for you.

[–]nofilmynofucky8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Can we officially start referring to ourselves collectively as mutants because I am so on board with that

[–]HurricaneHugues40 points41 points  (0 children) | Copy

"Ask a lawyer if you have a case instead of consulting the fucking mutants on here."

Wow, that stings.

[–]Kenny_Twenty15 points16 points  (23 children) | Copy

fucking mutants on here

So fucking true. This sub is dominated by bitter betas. It's disgusting and Reddit is right for shitting on TRP. We should have policed ourselves better and we did not.

This place is now just the counterpart to 3rd wave feminism. Disgraceful.

[–]Xevalous7 points8 points  (16 children) | Copy

I agree. This is not the same TRP sphere it was years ago.

[–]Kenny_Twenty5 points6 points  (6 children) | Copy

It's little more than an echo chamber of weak men catering to their emotional impulse to vent about women, blaming them for anything they can. To many of these men women are literally sociopathic. Broadly. That's what a lot of them really think. And I believe the reason for it is that in this society men have lost their masculinity and it's causing them to act like pussies and then vilify the women who are (rightly) repulsed by it.

It's so hypocritical. Just like the 3rd wave feminists who, despite being the actual recipients of privelage, claim oppression. I feel like I'm the only one trying to be rational sometimes. Not that I'm great at it but I try to be conscientious.

[–]friendandadvisor4 points5 points  (5 children) | Copy

Holy shit, now it seems like an echo chamber of weak men pissing about the echo chamber of weak men!

[–]Kenny_Twenty1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

That's exactly what it should be until you guys are out of here for good. You guys need to be ostracized until you leave. TRP isn't for most people. You aren't wanted.

It's no wonder that the pussified men here who seem to be invoking disdain from women are invoking disdain from the non-pussified men in this sub. You guys wear your desperation-induced victimhood like an aura that precedes you wherever you go.

You guys are like the women who've been abused as children that seek out and re-create that childhood trauma with whoever you can find to oblige you.

[–]friendandadvisor0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

That's exactly what it should be until you guys are out of here for good. You guys need to be ostracized until you leave. TRP isn't for most people. You aren't wanted

Yeah, I figured that people that actually address issues and answer the question weren't wanted here. People like you piss and moan as if your being a bitch and acting all 'alpha' is actually helping people.

"Oh! Oh! Look at me! I'm so alpha that I won't even answer the question! I'm holding frame! I'll A&A you!"

You're just wasting space, and you say 'that's the way it should be'. This shouldn't be a mutual admiration society, but, you have made it into one. I'm willing to bet that you can't even remember what this thread is about-but, you can surely remember your bold statement of how nobody is as alpha as you!

[–]Kenny_Twenty0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah, I figured that people that actually address issues and answer the question weren't wanted here.

I don't know what that means. Speak clearly like a man. This is emotionally charged gibberish. I honestly don't know what it means.

People like you piss and moan as if your being a bitch and acting all 'alpha' is actually helping people.

That doesn't make any sense. You inferred from my post that I feel as though my criticism of this subreddit is helping people? That's a foolish inference, in my opinion.

"Oh! Oh! Look at me! I'm so alpha that I won't even answer the question! I'm holding frame! I'll A&A you!"

I can only assume that the reason you believe I think I'm alpha is because you actually consider yourself a beta and you're projecting your own feelings onto me. Either way, you're incorrect.

You're just wasting space

I'm sorry you feel that way.

and you say 'that's the way it should be

Are you referring to me advocating the act of ostracizing irrational men? I need you to communicate more clearly. Like a grown man.

This shouldn't be a mutual admiration society, but, you have made it into one.

No idea what you mean by this. Communicate more clearly.

I'm willing to bet that you can't even remember what this thread is about-but, you can surely remember your bold statement of how nobody is as alpha as you!

I'm just curious, could you please highlight the part that led you to belive that I consider myself to be alpha?

I feel as though you're just irrational but I'd need more info to confirm whether that's the case or not.

[–]isaiahexe0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Holy fuck, now it seems like an echo chamber of weak men complaining about the weak men pissing about the echo chamber of weak men!

[–]friendandadvisor0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

D'oh!

[–]Luis_McLovin1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy

I stopped following two years ago, its not the same place it was then.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen-1 points0 points  (6 children) | Copy

So why the fuck don't you fuck off for good then? I know, we will miss the heaps of high quality content you provided here, but that's a loss we are willing to take for your happiness.

by

[–]Luis_McLovin4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy

jesus christ take a chill pill mr endorsed contributor

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen-5 points-4 points  (3 children) | Copy

how about you go and fuck yourself instead?

[–]Luis_McLovin2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

god damn, imagine being this bitter

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Bitter? Fucking triggered about self-entitled little pricks and their retarded concern trolling really describes it better.

[–]Luis_McLovin1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Can’t argue there. You most certainly have been triggered.

[–]Xevalous0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

*Bye

The fact that someone of your mannerisms is a endored contributor only affirms what I said. Take care bud.

[–]Lambdal7-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Several years ago it was a cesspool of fake alpha sociopaths. It’s now so much better and balanced, no?

[–]SlappaDaBayssMon2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

I never made the effort to resub trp on mobile because I was seeing the same shit. The only reason I still lurk here (asktrp) is to help out some of these bitter young guys if I can.

Getting trapped in the anger phase is real, fuck, I did it at one point.

It's all a game. Trp teaches you the rules and some strategies, tips to improve, etc but it's still just a game at the end of the day.

Why u haf to be mad?

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen-4 points-3 points  (2 children) | Copy

I never made the effort to resub trp on mobile because I was seeing the same shit. The only reason I still lurk here (asktrp) is to help out some of these bitter young guys if I can.

Thanks. We will be fine without you though. by

[–]SlappaDaBayssMon1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Lol way to take a comment from an internet stranger personally, you big stronk alpha, you.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Lol lel top kek XD XDXD

[–]nofilmynofucky2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

This sub specifically has gone to shit since trp was shut down

[–]Kenny_Twenty0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

No. Long before. That's why they were right to shut it down.

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 4 points5 points  (21 children) | Copy

Please see my edit. Adds more context and it's just as I said, the repercussions of doing so which concern me a little. Reputation or money?

[–]9312528 points29 points  (15 children) | Copy

reputation or money?

What about your reputation if you let this bitch walk off with 20k? Stop being a vagina and rationalizing it. Honestly, you don’t even deserve your money back.

[–]superbad4life12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

Two points to consider from 48 Laws of Power:

  • Law 5: So much depends on reputation - guard it with your life
  • Law 15: Crush your enemies totally

If you truly have 7-figures, why do you care what anyone in this small town thinks? Either re-influence to make them like you, don't care, or move. Not to mention, no one needs to know how much you inherited (Law 12: Use selective honesty...). If it does come up, make sure you (or your lawyer) is ready to defend it.

To me this is a no brainer: use the evidence to re-coup the money.

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 0 points1 point  (13 children) | Copy

Well no one would really even know about it then if she walked off with it and nothing was said or done, would they?

[–]9312512 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy

But you would know and that’s the only person that matters.

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

I concur. Thank you.

[–]HurricaneHugues9 points10 points  (9 children) | Copy

I don't see what you fear about your rep here. This is money that BELONGS to you. $20,000 of it to be exact. That is not gas money. That's REAL money. What exactly are u afraid of? Sue the bitch and get your money back. The way you're thinking right now isbthe exact reason why she was able to get $20K out of you.

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 5 points6 points  (8 children) | Copy

Yeah. I need to get out of this cuck/billy beta mindset. When I am writing the email tomorrow I will think of these words. Thank you

[–]ChadFromColumbus4 points5 points  (5 children) | Copy

Don’t fucking email her dude. You think she cares? Talk to a lawyer and have him serve her with a lawsuit. Get it through your thick skull that communicating with her at all does you no good. You think she’d actually take your email and thrust to sue seriously? HahahHa

All it does is give her warning that she needs to cook up some counterclaim like rape against you.

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy

If you bothered to read the thread I have a legal background and could do the legal paperwork myself. Which would save me money, and I am certain if the email contained an attachment of the lawsuit she would take it seriously.

[–]JW_23 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Oh NOW you care about saving money. This whole thread is hilarious.

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

People are going on and on about principle in this thread. In this case, it is the principle of not wasting another dime on the whore.

[–]ChadFromColumbus2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

If you had a legal background you’d know it’s a terrible idea to do this yourself. And that emailing her is pointless. You are dumb as rocks. Talk to a lawyer and hope he talks some sense into you.

Dumb as fucking rocks. “Loans” a thot 20k but is too cheap to pay a few hundred for a lawyer or get a free consultation. Hell you don’t need their help - you are clearly smart enough to handle yourself. Just one email to her will do the trick since she respects you so much. Lmao. Pathetic.

[–]Itsupport4350[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Wow you are so invested in this story. Sounds like you are a billy beta yourself. You never told me why AN EMAIL IS BAD WHEN SETTLING IS ALWAYS PREFERRED FOR EVERY PARTY INVOLVED!! You are being such a cuck, that is the pathetic thing.

[–]HurricaneHugues4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

What fucking email you goddamn moron. GO SEE A FUCKING LAWYER. Go get actual legal advice. Stop contacting her.

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

ok

[–]HurricaneHugues2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I don't see what you fear about your rep here. This is money that BELONGS to you. $20,000 of it to be exact. That is not gas money. That's REAL money. What exactly are u afraid of? Sue the bitch and get your money back. The way you're thinking right now isbthe exact reason why she was able to get $20K out of you.

[–]sampson158 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

I'd be more concerned about the idea that she might claim you raped her just to get out of it. If you ever had sex while she was drunk or inebriated, or possibly even too tire to remember it, she could decide to claim you raped her. If she files a police report it could become a huge issue. otherwise you have to balance that against your ability to prove with receipts that you loaned her money (IE the down payment for the car that you made) versus how much it would cost you in legal fee's and against her ability to pay garnished wages... is it worth the hassle, For me it would be, but I'd have to know for sure that she wouldn't accuse me of rape in the process.

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

Every time we ever boned I always got messages from her in SMS that made it clear.. it was consensual. Difficult to claim rape and then be talking about a possible future together.. reasonable doubt if it EVER got to a jury.

[–]trp28287 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

You’re a fucking retard. 99% of women wouldn’t even consider intentionally falsely accusing anyone of rape

[–]vicious_armbar 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Sorry I'm going to be completely blunt here. Unless you're legitimately autistic you realized that any money you "loaned" a woman you're banging was a gift that won't be paid back. You even said so yourself:

I never really cared if she paid back or not, but now, of course, I want my money back.

That being said you're even more stupid for spending $20,000 on a plate that was fucking you for free anyway. Unless you're straight up paying for pussy from a prostitute your standard for spending money on plates should be: "Would I do this if my male friend asked me to do the same thing?"*

That being said you have a chance to reverse some of your stupidity. Take her to small claims court, get a judgement against her, and try to garnish part of her paycheck. It will be a pain in the ass to collect, and it's unlikely that you'll get the full amount. But at least you'll get something.

You better pull your head out of your ass, get a trustworthy financial adviser, and show some respect for the life changing gift that your grandmother gave you. If you play your card right you can invest your inheritance in low risk investments such as: blue chip stocks, municipal bonds, and AAA corporate bonds. Easily living like a king off of the interest or dividends and never having to work a day in your life again.

Or you can piss it all away on manipulative whores that see you as a walking wallet and respect you so little that they bang your best friend. It's your choice really.

[–]satellite7797 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

The amount in question is too big for small claim courts which have limit of $10k or less for local courts.

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy

Or you can piss it all away on manipulative whores that see you as a walking wallet and respect you so little that they bang your best friend. It's your choice really.

Thank you for this. She'll gladly accept a loan for a $4000 car deposit but won't loan $100 off me so we can go on a mini holiday together? The Red Pill saves lives, I am NEVER being "Billy Beta" again.

I plan to email my intentions to her tomorrow with a deadline or $150 a week for the next 3 years.

[–]HurricaneHugues22 points23 points  (4 children) | Copy

"I plan to email my intentions to her tomorrow with a deadline or $150 a week for the next 3 years."

Just sue her you fucking moron. She doesn't respect you. You think she's gonna pay your for 3 years without a contract. Dude, just give me your money. You're too fucking stupid for this world. The bitch does not care about you! Stop with the "imma be nice" bullshit. You need to blindside her real hard with a case, so she knows that you are not out here playing games.

[–]Itsupport4350[S] -4 points-3 points  (3 children) | Copy

Of course. I will tell her the case is filed with the judge. But you realise that if she agrees in writing (email, text) to pay me $150 a week for 3 years that's a contract in of itself right? Sick of these armchair lawyers on this sub.

[–]Christyan2213 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

Trust what the guys here are saying. Just sue her and let your lawyer talk to her. Not you. You shouldn't contact her or respond to her till the trial is over and a sentence is given...

[–]failingtheturingtest1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

"you realise this is a contract" "sick of these armchair lawyers"

Since you're clearly a big time lawyer, where the fuck did you go to law school that they didn't tell you not to loan some slut $20k in multiple loans without contracts and evidence of the ability to pay it back.

Your email "contract" will be completely unenforceable.

[–]Itsupport4350[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

I will update the sub with what happens.

[–]CodyCodeine3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Hire a financial investor. Swallow your pride like you've swallowed the red pill. You've proven yourself as too mentally weak to manage it all yourself

[–]vas_mhtro114 points115 points  (11 children) | Copy

Nigga you fucking high or some shit? Who cares if it seems childish that bitch owes you 20k

[–]primusinterpares121 points22 points  (23 children) | Copy

If this is how you spend/waste money that inheritance will be blown in a couple of years. Stop telling people that you're rich, get a good finnacial advisor and invest the rest.If people ask you for any more money tell them it was transfered into a trust and you can't access it. As for the money that your plate borrowed sue her, get the car reposssessed, sell it and take the balance of your loss as the cost of education.You've learned the hard way that money and 'friends' don't mix

[–]vicious_armbar 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

As for the money that your plate borrowed sue her, get the car reposssessed, sell it and take the balance of your loss as the cost of education.

Won't work if there's a loan on the car. I guarantee that loan is secured with the car as collateral, and the dealer has priority in the case of a repo. However he could:

1.) Sue her in small claims court (no lawyer needed).

2.) Garnish her wages until she changes banks

3.) Send her a letter in December of next year telling her that he's discharging the rest of her debt. Debt relief without bankruptcy creates taxable income in the amount of the discharge. Just the same as if you'd worked for the money.

4.) After April 14th send a letter to the IRS notifying them of the debt discharge along with a copy of the certified letter he sent her. Then tell them that he doesn't think she reported the debt discharge and paid income taxes on it as required by law.

5.) Collect 30% of any taxes recovered by the IRS. #ThotAudit

Alternatively once he wins in small claims court he could just sell the debt to debt collectors for a fraction of what is owed. Then sit back and laugh as they harass the shit out of her for him.

[–]primusinterpares10 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I agree, these are very good options

[–]Itsupport4350[S] -5 points-4 points  (20 children) | Copy

Look, I will glady pay my buddy 6 months' worth of rent upfront to help him a little financially. Do I ever feel he will take the money and run? No. A better saying would be "money and pussy never mixes well."

I look back on what I have done, I am disgusted.

EDIT: By paying 6 months in advance I mean I live in his house and pay him rent, so when I go 6 months upfront i am now guaranteed the joint for 6 months, but atleast he has the money there to pay with his bills.

[–]vicious_armbar 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Look, I will glady pay my buddy 6 months' worth of rent upfront to help him a little financially.

No, no, NO!!! If your buddy is behind on rent the correct response is: 'Oh that sucks man! If you get kicked out of your place feel free to crash at my pad for a while.' Stop letting people use you as an ATM. You should never 'loan' a personal acquaintance money.

Invest your money. If you're that much of a spender and can't help yourself then consult a wealth management company that has a: lawyer, financial planner, and accountant. They can set up a 'spend thrift trust' that will make regular distributions of passive income for you to live on. While legally preventing you from spending and thus wasting the rest of your inheritance.

If people look at you funny in your small town than move. Assuming you only get a 5% yearly return in the form of passive income; that's still $100,000 a year. More than enough to live in any city in America. Or go to Southern Europe for a while; which has a very low cost of living, and chill on the French Rivera, Isle of Capri, or Costa del Sol. Check out the Acropolis in Athens or the Coliseum in Greece. The world is much larger than your own backyard.

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

No, no, NO!!! If your buddy is behind on rent the correct response is: 'Oh that sucks man! If you get kicked out of your place feel free to crash at my pad for a while.'

As in, I pay him rent. So now I don't pay any for 6 months while he can get his bills paid.

Yep, I have visited a financial planner already and the money is on a no risk 4% term deposit which means $60k a year income. No work needed but I decide to do so anyway to keep sane so really I am set to earn $140k this year.

[–]HurricaneHugues0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Invest in real estate as well!

[–]SalporinRP3 points4 points  (8 children) | Copy

If you have that mindset you will be broke within 3 years.

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy

FYI I pay him rent.

[–]HurricaneHugues2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy

Dude, speak to a real estate investment team. Buy yoirself a house from people with delinquent taxes on their property. They'll sell it to you for dirt cheap, to cut their losses and avoid a tax foreclosure. Spend maybe $10K in repairs, and flip/rent the house. You're a millionaire, paying rent to his buddy.

Jesus dude, you're HORRIBLE with money. You may be rich but you are NOT wealthy. Go to Amazon or your local book store and buy the book called The Richest Man in Babylon. It's about wealth creation and management. You have money, but you have no wealth. You need to know how to manage your money!! Don't just rely on some accountant or investment firm. Take control of your destiny! That's how people got finnessed by Bernie Madoff.

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Yeah well part of the inheritance is the $600k property, but that is split with my sibling. So I am unsure whether to pay her side out or sell mine, but for the time being, $60 a week rent will do me which includes all bills.

[–]HurricaneHugues2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

In what state is this property? Square footage? How many rooms? Is it in a good neighborhood? Does it need any repairs?

Those factors are important in deciding whether or not to buy. Go on biggerpockets.com and ask for advice on what to do with the property there. It's a website for real estate investors to network, and they will be happy to give you advice.

[–]Itsupport4350[S] -3 points-2 points  (1 child) | Copy

lol

[–]HurricaneHugues0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

What's funny?

[–]ChadFromColumbus2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Why are you paying ANYONE rent? Buy real estate.

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Explained in another comment. Fucking chill out mate

[–]Leonrazurado2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

You obviously aren't fucking learning anything.

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Do you read before you post? I PAY HIM RENT. Week by week or 6 months in advance, makes no difference.

[–]JW_21 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

So you pay rent at two places?

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

No 1

[–]HurricaneHugues3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

"Look, I will glady pay my buddy 6 months' worth of rent upfront to help him a little financially. Do I ever feel he will take the money and run?"

But he will fuck your bitch

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Different room mate haha. Can you stop bolding whenever you quote text I feel it is the FBI trying to send me a message through my PC

[–]ding-dong-diddly2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Dude, when you hear about lottery winners losing it all in a few years, this is why

ACT EXACTLY THE FUCKING SAME AS BEFORE

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Read the edit.

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (10 children) | Copy

So your hooker adventures with this bitch cost you 20 grand until you found out she fucked your best buddy for free. Classic.

[–]Itsupport4350[S] -4 points-3 points  (9 children) | Copy

What? She was rooting me for free anyway.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (8 children) | Copy

Oh, it's okay then. How much money does she owe you again? Exactly.

There's a lesson here that I hope you've learnt by heart.

[–]Itsupport4350[S] -1 points0 points  (7 children) | Copy

$15k, with interest I estimate $20k.

[–]HurricaneHugues7 points8 points  (6 children) | Copy

So your hookee costed you $20K. While your buddy fucked for free

[–]Itsupport4350[S] -2 points-1 points  (5 children) | Copy

She was rooting me for free anyway before and after omg read the thread properly.

[–]HurricaneHugues3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy

How much does she owe you now?

[–]Itsupport4350[S] -3 points-2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Mate just stop

[–]HurricaneHugues4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

No. How much does she owe you now?

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Like $15k + interest

[–]TigerXtrm13 points14 points  (8 children) | Copy

  1. You're a fuckwit.
  2. Any and all patience you had with her should have gone out the window when she fucked your best friend. I won't presume to know how close you are with your best friend, but for me that would be not done for either of them.
  3. 20k is a lot of money, no matter of much you have in the bank. If you are able to get it back, get it back.
  4. Repeat after me: "I will never loan money to friends or family every again, for as long as I live, unless it is a life or death situation." Trust me, just saying no will do less damage to your relationships than having to constantly ask when you're getting back the money, and then realizing you're never getting it back.

As for the money, do you have legal proof that you loaned her this money? As in, could you go to a court and they would order her to pay you back? If yes, go seek legal council. Visit multiple lawyers and ask what they can do for you and how much they would charge.

If no, consider this a twenty thousand dollar lesson in what it means to be rich. If people know you have money they WILL ask you for stuff and they will be pissy and jealous when you say no. Learn to shrug it off, nothing good ever comes from loaning money to a bunch of freeloaders who then proceed to fuck your best friend. If you don't have proof for loaning her the money, just keep asking for it, but don't expect to ever get it back. Don't threaten with going to court unless you actually know you can win and are prepared to lose her as a friend forever.

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy

Legal proof? Well yes, bank transfer after bank transfer. The bigger thing that pisses me off is, whenever I would ask for it back at a reasonable rate, she would cry poor and then post all over Instagram about her new sleeve tattoo. Have you seen my edit to the post yet? I feel like an absolute CUNT saying "look, you won't be getting anymore tattoos or your nails done until you PAY ME BACK." I am very conscious of reputation in this town, because I had a close friend accused of stalking someone, and EVERY time we go to town to the clubs, he gets dirty looks from complete strangers.

Your post has probably been the most insightful yet. Do you believe I should put stoicism out of the way like a post has stated above? My money back over reputation?

[–]HurricaneHugues5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

You will get the reputation of a beta male bitch if you DONT sue her. She wont keep it to herself. She will tell all her girlfriends, her hair dresser, her nail person, her mom etc etc. And they will tell their girl friends, their boyfriends, their moms etc. You will be seen as a big ole beta bitch simp with no backbone who got easily finnessed for TWENTY FUCKING THOUSAND DOLLARS and cucked by his best friend.

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

You will be seen as a big ole beta bitch simp with no backbone who got easily finnessed for TWENTY FUCKING THOUSAND DOLLARS and cucked by his best friend.

Jesus mate it's terrible I'm laughing but it's the terrible truth. "no more mr nice guy"

[–]primusinterpares11 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Except he wasn't cucked by his best friend, reading between the lines he was FWB with the woman, no commitments were tendered or required.

[–]TigerXtrm2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

My money back over reputation?

Unless your reputation is worth 20 grand to you, yes. There is no clean way to get out of this, to be honest. Either you become a laughing stock who lost 20 grand to some chick, or you become the asshole who got his money back from said chick. Personally I'd rather be the latter. And unless there's something keeping you tied to that small town, I'd take that 20 grand once you have it back and use it to move somewhere where this sort of drama doesn't follow you until the end of time.

Well yes, bank transfer after bank transfer.

Bank transfers are not proof, though combined with her texts saying she'll pay you back, you might have shot in court. But check that with a lawyer before you threaten her with legal action.

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks mate.

[–]toothdude 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

The bank transfers show that you gave her the money. A documented loan with her agreement to repay on a schedule would be proof that you loaned her the money. And if you continued to give her more "loans" before she ever made any actual repayment on past balances, it reinforces that you were making de facto gifts vs loans.

I would expect her to play the card that the money was all gifted to her. And now that she stopped sleeping with you for you have become vindictive about asking for all of your gifts back. Even if she loses in court, this is how it's going to play out in your small community.

Lastly, I'll echo that you should stop talking about how much money you have. It's going to attract all the wrong people to you for all the wrong reasons.

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks toothdude

[–]wtfffffffff1011 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

No actual advice from me, but the way you talk about $20k like its nothing physically pains me.

[–]Senior EndorsedVasiliyZaitzev12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy

You're a fuckwit.

And go over to r-legaladvice and ask there.

[–]johnpayne101 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Haha!! Hope op improved after finding TRP.

[–]CharlesChadworth13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

If she knows you have more money than her, make it known that you are able to hire decent lawyers. That it would be beneficial for her to pay you the 20k instead of dragging this through court and really expensive court fees.

How is wanting YOUR money back childish. You didnt gift it to her, you LOANED it to her. With your reasoning my 600k home loan should be free and I shouldn't pay back my bank. It would be childish for them to ask me to pay 600k back.

[–]BonoboTreeClimber3 points4 points  (9 children) | Copy

You're a fucking moron for doing that but it's good that you understand that now. Don't ever "lend" women money unless it's family and you don't expect any of it back.

Secondly, some things in life are about the PRINCIPLE. Not even attempting getting that money back would be being a beta bitch. Find a lawyer and get it back. I don't care if it ends up costing 19k, and you only see 1k of it. Don't let her get away with that shit. Make her declare bankruptcy, repo her fucking car, etc.

Also, your best friend isn't innocent. Cut him out of your life as well. You definitely need to learn better money management skills too. Randomly dropping 20k loads after getting 2mil, "cuz it's nothing", is the way to blowing it all like a retard. Honestly, there is so much wrong with this post, I wouldn't be surprised if you ended up broke in 10 years. You need to take a step back and figure out exactly how you're going to use that money.

[–]HurricaneHugues3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

10 years? I say 5.

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

Secondly, some things in life are about the PRINCIPLE. Not even attempting getting that money back would be being a beta bitch. Find a lawyer and get it back. I don't care if it ends up costing 19k, and you only see 1k of it. Don't let her get away with that shit.

I concur. Feel a bit old school having to send an email about it given she blocked on FB and SMS, but at least with smartphones which I know she checks incessantly she'll see it almost straight away.

Also, your best friend isn't innocent. Cut him out of your life as well.

Absolutely. It's amazing how you can be besties with someone for 8 years, not even think about driving 1.5 hours to go see them after working 10 hours that day, and the second you find out they fucked the bitch you know they knew you really liked you cut them out, block them delete them whatever, and you don't even feel sad.

[–]HurricaneHugues1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

He was YOUR best friend. You weren't HIS best friend. YOU drove 10h to see HIM.

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

1.5 hours, but yes good difference you highlighted

[–]ChadFromColumbus0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

What do you think sending her an email is going to accomplish?

You are a total moron. Completely clueless.

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I have to communicate do I not? Fuck sake mate.

[–]D3athN0te1010 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

No, you don't. In fact, the element of surprise is crucial at this point.

You tell her you're filing a lawsuit, she'll do whatever she can to avoid it.

Few examples:

  1. She'll change her number and skip town, making it near impossible to legally bind her into showing up for court (She has to receive notice of a court date, among other things. At least here in Texas anyway. Might be more/less loopholes where your at).
  2. She'll file a false accusation against you, putting you in jail and effectively stopping you from doing anything.
  3. She'll get some guy "friends" to come kill your stupid ass. And trust me, no matter how strong you are, you can't fight 40+ dudes. My Dad is a Tai Kwon Do black belt, and he barely walked away after being in the hospital for a month. You? You'd be deader than a toothpick in a horses mouth.
  4. Or hell, she might even do all of the above + some unforeseen shit.

tl;dr: Don't tell her anything, you dense motherfucker *insert Incredibles meme here*

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

LOL at point 3. My coworker LOL'd

[–]icarebot-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

I care

[–]HurricaneHugues4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy

"The kicker? I found out she fucked my best friend."

Before or during when she was with you? How did you find out?

"There's enough text messages to substantiate suing her for the amount in court, however I fear I come off as childish for doing so."

So you think it's "childish" to sue an adult female for the $20,000 she owes you? I think it's childish that you only loaned her $20K. You should've given her $1 million for free. That's what adult men do. They give away all their fortune for free to thots.

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Before or during when she was with you? How did you find out?

The same night I fucked her. I remember she left my room to go to the longue where he was, and this was like 5am in the morning and I was tired so wasn't thinking fully at the time. But I had a gut feeling something happened, I confronted both and got admissions from each party.

So you think it's "childish" to sue an adult female for the $20,000 she owes you? I think it's childish that you only loaned her $20K.

I guess it'll just be viewed as one of those typical things where I had all the time in the world to ask for it back and I only did when she pissed me off/coincidentally got a BF. I mean, she always told me how she felt embarrassed that she had to rely on me financially as she would literally have $10 in her account most of the time (after having worked for 17 years), and so in a certain respect she may not even tell anyone/that many people because even though I look like a total BB, she looks like a dropkick having to rely on that money in the first place (even though some people will be like "hell yeah girl!!")

[–]HurricaneHugues1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

The same night? How many times did u fuck this chick?

Dude, you should DEFINITELY sue her ass. You should sue because not only was she using you for the money, but she BLOCKED you to avoid having to deal with you about it. Get off your fucking ass, GET IN CONTACT with a LAWYER!!

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

50 odd times over a year. And yeah same night as I said. I will tomorrow thanks for getting this in my mind.

[–]mrpthrowa7 points8 points  (3 children) | Copy

What a tool. I always wondered what people like you think

[–]Itsupport4350[S] -3 points-2 points  (2 children) | Copy

What are you going on about?

[–]HurricaneHugues5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

Hes saying you're a tool, and that he always wondered how you people's thought process was like, to allow people to finnesse you so hard. And he found out.

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I was a billy beta bro, so what. isn't that the reason we all swallowed TRP was to become better?

[–]BuckNekkid184 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

In a scale from 1 to 10, how high are you? 15?

[–]AstuteBlackMan3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Even at my most beta I don’t think I’d give a girl 20k just like that for nothing. Maybe a 1000 if i had your money.

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yes, and I am absolutely appalled with myself.

[–]F_Dingo3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy

This has to be the dumbest thing I've ever read on here. You claim that you didn't care if she paid you back but now because she slept around with a friend you want to sue to get the money back. Based off of everything in your post, it seems to me that you made a GIFT instead of a LOAN.

Sure, you can take it to some lawyer who will gladly accept the case even though they know it is a dead-end. Meanwhile the lawyer will fleece you for a few thousand just like the woman did. Like the others have said, this is one big STUPID TAX. Move on with your life and smarten up. I would highly recommend shopping around for a financial advisor because at the rate you're going, the $2M you inherited will be "loaned" out to friends and random women.

[–]CodyCodeine0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Best comment on this post. This dude is so dumb it hurts. He's got me worried about my 3k 😂

[–]Itsupport4350[S] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

What? She owes me irrespective of whether I cared if she paid it back or not. What are you acting so angry for? Read the full context of the story. Of course if someone pisses you off you'll make their life hell. My motive for this does not matter.

[–]F_Dingo1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

A lawyer would love to take your case and fleece you for a few thousand more to take the woman to court. Good luck trying to collect on your “loan” (gift).

My advice, along with the others who have a brain, is to take the stupid tax at face value - $20k. Don’t increase it even more with legal fees.

[–]BarackTheObama 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Send me 10 k and I will forgive you for your Beta behavior

[–]Itsupport4350[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Amount: $10,000 USD. From: William "Billy" Beta.

[–]frontyer00775 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Sue her. But ask a lawyer first. The laeyer knows best. Its 20k and she should pay it back one way or another.

[–]Glennus6262 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Appear needy to who? The plate who borrowed money from you without any intention of paying you back? The judge? Your lawyer? The friend that fucked your plate?

The bigger question will be does it appear worth it to spend thousands taking her to court, when you'll probably just end up with the car she will probably trash, or garnishing her non existent wages?

Never lend to a friend. Whatever you give should be a gift, so give only what you can afford to give, if you want to give at all.

[–]Itsupport4350[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

I have learnt that lesson now and I've been told the same advice over and over. I intend to send an email tomorrow. Will update this sub with results.

[–]kcxvi2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

What part of the game is giving money to a girl ur just banging?

[–]Itsupport4350[S] -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

"just banging"? We were good friends, also

[–]HurricaneHugues4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Good friends don't fuck each other's best friends and finness for $20K. You're a blind moron. She was never your friend.

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You think I don't realise that now?

[–]D3athN0te1012 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I found out she fucked my best friend. Huge betrayal due to the fact we were good friends, and given how much I had helped her it really angered me.

Your friend. Not your girlfriend. She didn't cheat on you.

You weren't feeling betrayal, you were finally realizing how one sided your relationship was. Her fucking your best friend was just the catalyst to this realization.

As for a lawsuit, provided you have evidence to prove these loans were made (receipts, contracts, voice recording of an agreement, etc.), then you should win with ease. If not, she only has to deny that any loan was ever made, and then she wins by default as long as she doesn't screw herself (for example, hint that it "might have happened" in some way, causing the judge to become suspicious.)

Keep in mind that lawyers aren't cheap, and might cost more than 20k in fees. Even if not, you won't break even. You'll still be paying money, to get money.

Also bear in mind that she will likely fight you in court several times, to try to get the case dismissed. Meaning you'll be hiring a lawyer again. And every time you'll be taking more of a loss.

I see 2 roads here:

  1. Easy Route: Take a 20k loss and ghost her.
  2. Hard Route: File a lawsuit, spend about 4 months of your life working around a court schedule, and MAYBE walk away with 10k of your money back. Then hope she doesn't call you back for a "payment readjustment". If she does, just dismiss it entirely. Trust me, if it happens once, it will become a monthly trend. And you'll be spending more than 20k before she gets bored.

There's also the chance that you'll win the case and she just won't pay you. And the judge will likely be totally cool with that.

Me? I'd take a loss, learn the lesson, and move on.

[–]DadOnDabs2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

This cannot be real

[–]Itsupport4350[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Unfortunately, it is.

[–]dickcomments2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Write it off. Let it go. Use this as a very, very expensive lesson. Also, cut all contact with her. Just move on entirely.

Further, while 20K is a lot to have just vanish (happened to me a few times, hate it when investments go bad) you have to change your mentality.

If you have 2M and you are worried about 20K you don't have the right mindset. You are coming from the position of lack, not abundance. This attitude is/will be pervasive in your entire life, not just about money.

It also means you need to work on your red pill theory a lot more.

[–]CodyCodeine2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

You're making the red pill look so bad right now

[–]CodyCodeine2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

I've never felt so much anger and second-hand embarrassment for someone on the internet in my life. I'm heated. I want to insult you and help you at the same time. Truly moving stuff

[–]Itsupport4350[S] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

Please help me, don't insult me. If I'm wrong, tell me, don't belittle me.

[–]CodyCodeine1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Lol you were so adorable

[–]As-You-Were4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

I’ve always found it strange that broke people think they deserve rich peoples money because “they have surplus”.

It’s business. You’ve got to have a business conversation. “I know we’re friends, and we used to have a thing but you owe me close to 20k. I know you’re broke, so you can pay me back 500 a month for 40 months”.

[–]HurricaneHugues0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

She's not gonna pay him back. He needs to sue.

[–]trpppp1233 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

How old are you?

You seem autistic.

[–]CodyCodeine1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

His silence is a resounding "yes"

[–]Velebit2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

If you sue her she might claim you raped her, you want meetoo protests over money you dont need?

[–]Iceklimber6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

text messages

Dude you need legally binding contracts. If you can spare the money lawyer up and get a restraining order against her before the domestic violence and raep accusations start

[–]Yashugan001 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Briffault's Law.

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Terrible but true.

[–]Ohboohoolittlegirl1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Did you even told her it was time to start paying? Doesn't sound like it. Instead, stop being Billy beta and tell her instead of being interesting here.

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Yes. If you read the comments I asked for money, she blocked.

[–]HurricaneHugues3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

She didn't block you, she finnessed you

[–]bakamoney1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Well outside of the the money;

Why did you feel "betrayed" if a plate was fucking someone else?

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Well we were very close friends and it wasn't just sex like we always spoke about being more one day but the timing isn't right etc.

You may think you have a good question but the fact I confronted the friend about it and they pretty much blocked me straight away goes to show that even he thought it was shit, even though he knew she was just a "plate"

[–]HurricaneHugues2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

He blocked you because you're a bitch, not because he felt bad.

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I agree

[–]Andgelyo1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

🤦‍♂️

[–]ChadFromColumbus1 point2 points  (11 children) | Copy

Get a good lawyer and sue that bitch! Obviously you are pretty fucking stupid. Anyone with a brain and self respect would have sued her the day after she fucked your friend. Tho to be honest, if you had any sense you would have never given her a dime.

Make that bitch lawyer up and declare bankruptcy.

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 0 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy

Sorry mate. I forgot how perfect "Chads" were. Us other humans make mistakes.

[–]ChadFromColumbus0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

See this is another benefit of having money. Lawfare. You can afford a lawyer and she can’t. Hell, if you actually do sue her I’d put it at greater than 50% chance she doesn’t even respond and you get a default judgment. Garnish her paycheck.

So the question remains. Are you going to sue her or are you too scared?

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

I can easily write up the paperwork just the idea of walking into court, asking to see a judge and paying what will be a $300 filing fee sounds daunting. But justice was never done without such effort.

I think the biggest problem for me mate is I would obviously prefer to "settle it outside of court", and it's just gotten to the point where like, if she was to send an email or an SMS I my heart sinks, as if I am too scared to read it, but I obviously gotta email her and let her know what's going on. I need to break free from billy beta mindset. would Chad be scared? no.

[–]underd0g-2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Dude what is wrong with you? You won't pay a $300 filing fee but you'll grably drop 20k on her? Break free from your Billy beta mindset and sue her. You are the definition of beta bux.

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Did Billy Beta get picked on in school?

[–]underd0g-0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Quit lying to yourself. You're as beta as they come bro. Hopefully you take some of the advice given to you and get it together.

Edit: typo.

[–]ChadFromColumbus1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

It’s total LOL that you think sending her an email is going to do you any good. You are completely delusional.

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

As I said, knowing she is getting sued might get her to agree to $150/week over 3 years and put this on hard paper so it's done and dusted once and for all.

[–]HurricaneHugues0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

How old are you btw?

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

early 20s

[–]HurricaneHugues0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Be more specific.

[–]yunhaila1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Psychologically speaking, people maintain healthiness by having two things in their lives, attachment and authenticity. By suing her, you become authentic to yourself and your own needs. However, the dilemma is that you may cause tension to the attachment you have with other people in your town.

As a developing child/infant, you need that attachment to your parents to survive, sometimes at the cost of authenticity. When you can’t be yourself, you develop coping mechanisms like pleasing people via various means like gift giving and making jokes. This helps in the short run as you maintain a better attachment to the parent, but as an adult you must realize that you no longer need to cope. You no longer NEED to depend on attachment to survive.

If you do not remain authentic and put yourself first, you will undoubtedly be repressing feelings of regret and anger. If you do not sue her based on your attachment to your town people, then you are isolating who you truly are from your closest people as well. Sure, in the short term it will make sure that there is no tension with your attachment, but in the long term it will make you sick. Repressing of authenticity and of your own needs lead to the increased risk of chronic diseases (look at Dr. Gabor Matè’s work on childhood trauma and repression of needs/ chronic diseases)

Your gut tells you to sue right? Your gut has a separate nervous system that communicates back and forth with your brain to show you the full picture. It shows you what you need for yourself. If you do not trust your gut, you are potentially putting your health at risk.

Ask yourself. Are you protecting yourself or are you protecting others? The only thing you have in this world is yourself. In the end, you’ll end up in a box made for one. You cannot bring the hopes, expectations, and dreams of others with you when you die. Of course, attachment is important as we are social animals. But everyone here at TRP is trying to put their own needs first. Because it is important for our wellbeing. And because you find out who your real friends are when you start standing up for yourself.

[–]xddm26531 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Hire the top lawyer in your county and sue the horseshit out of her. Have your lawyer do all the work so your daily life isn't affected; don't let up until every dime is paid or she somehow makes up for the betrayal

[–]hopscotchking1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Dude that’s a lot of money. Sue her for it. She clearly took advantage of you. You can’t let people walk all over you in life. Congrats on the 2 milly I guess but I have a feeling it won’t last too long if you keep telling people you have it. Dumb dumb dumb.

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

What's so clear about it to you? It's obvious, but she always says she didn't haha.

[–]cojohnso1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

The limit for small claims court is less than $20K

This might help - it’s a breakdown by state

https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/small-claims-suits-how-much-30031.html

Edit: Get a lawyer. A real shark of a lawyer. And honestly, a female lawyer may help your cause in court - female fighting for a man against another female, the judge may way your cause better. Especially if said judge is female!

Edit x2: just make sure the lawyer fees don’t add up over $20K b/c then you’ll actually be losing $ to get back what you originally loaned.

It’s best to have all your transactions made to her lined up (via bank statements, Venmo etc) by date of occurrence & totaled. Provide these documents to your lawyer upon 1st meeting to save you time & in turn, more meetings w/your lawyer, which = $$$!

Source: I’ve seen 1st hand how lawyer fees rack up

[–]Itsupport4350[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

In my jurisdiction it is $25k for small claims (no lawyer, logic rather than law). I can file in the proper court if I want to.

[–]FrankVillain1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Sue her and ask a lawyer rather than ask advices like that on a sub mostly filled with guys who can't act what they preach.

[–]friendandadvisor1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Let me see:

Desire to be liked v. 20 THOUSAND dollars....hmmm...hmm...

[–]friendandadvisor1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

My main concern is that I live in a somewhat town, and if the word gets around I sued the arse off this poor person when I didn't need to when I have a fair bit which ended up destroying her financially, reputation may go down the shitter.

If you don't sue her, you will have a new reputation of a faggot that can be clipped for 20K without repercussions.

THAT'S the whole fucking point of a reputation, not whether the fuck you are liked or not, dumbshit!!

[–]ArnoldBateman3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I don't know if you have a case but I would recommend speaking to a lawyer and if you do, get your money back. She was using you.

[–]Shoregrey 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Ghost, stop broadcasting your finances and chalk this one up to stupid tax. Suing while potentially lucrative is clinging to your desire to get some kind of revenge which means she still owns your emotions. Move on.

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 1 point2 points  (9 children) | Copy

"some kind of revenge"? It's my $20k for fucks sake.

[–]Shoregrey 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

It's just money and a whole lot more drama. Is it worth it? Then by all means. To me money was never that big of a deal and still isn't. Piece of mind is far more important.

[–]HurricaneHugues0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

$20K is nothing to you?

[–]Shoregrey 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Stupid Tax. If you don't know what that means then the short answer is Yes, money means nothing to me. It's a tool for survival, nothing else.

[–]HurricaneHugues1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Let me hold $20K then

[–]failingtheturingtest0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

No, it stopped being your 20k when you handed it to a personal acquaintance without a contract.

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

You realise written contracts aren't the only ones enforceable in court, right?

[–]failingtheturingtest0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

You realise they're the only ones that have physical evidence, right? That's why people who aren't stupid use them. "We both agreed to these set out terms." They're immutable, unlike memory.

You now have a fun game of convincing anyone that she not only intended to pay you back, but that at no point did you say "don't worry about it".

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I have messages dickhead.

[–]HurricaneHugues1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

What? That's $20K my guy. You can't let her get away with $20K. That's a LOT. She needs to be taken to court snd taught a lesson.

[–]packetdata 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Lawyering up etc will mean you get only 10-12k leave it,not worth the time when you have 2 mil.

[–]GandMeChattri1 point2 points  (9 children) | Copy

If I'm worth $2000 this is equivalent of me losing $20 on a plate.

Forget about it and move on.

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy

And if you're worth $100 billion, it's a billion to you. Poor logic, my friend.

[–]CodyCodeine0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy

Almost as poor as your frame

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

suck me beautiful

[–]CodyCodeine0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

You're still alive? How's your lil law suit going? You won't answer

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

lmao. Papers are being served on Friday.

[–]CodyCodeine0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

It isn't gonna work lmao

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

And.... DONE.

[–]CodyCodeine0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Done with what? Pretending you aren't a beta?

[–]Itsupport4350[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

yeah im a chad again, feels great. xx

[–]kril890 points1 point  (21 children) | Copy

Question have you even asked her when she is going to pay it back?

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 0 points1 point  (20 children) | Copy

Out of the $20k, she admits to like $4k of it (which I think she has because she is concerned about the power I may have in regards to her car) which she is paying back at $50 a week (no interest). I'm still $16k short, and there have been threats to even cancel that payment.

[–]kril892 points3 points  (19 children) | Copy

Even if you sue her and win she can just declare bankruptcy and then you have nothing. Just the headache of going through all that shit. So the lesson is here is that letting people borrow money should be considered more like gambling. The chances of you losing that money for pretty good. And at most you'll never see all of it again. So never give out money unless you are willing to lose it. Personally no one has ever given me money so why would I ever give it to anyone else?

[–]kril890 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Also go to a lawyer like others have said

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 0 points1 point  (17 children) | Copy

Well I think before I would get nothing they will go to your house and take all your shit and auction it off. She might have close to that amount in goods. And if you dispose of it knowing that's about to happen it's a criminal offence.

In regards to your question, obviously your risk assessment depends on your relationship with the person.

[–]kril892 points3 points  (16 children) | Copy

Judging by your story I don't think you even had sex with this woman. You just refer you her as a plate so we won't judge you as hard.

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 0 points1 point  (15 children) | Copy

Haha nah I definitely did. She loved a good ass licking I will divulge that much!

[–]kril890 points1 point  (14 children) | Copy

Well most do haha

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 0 points1 point  (13 children) | Copy

Haha.

[–]kril893 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

In all seriousness though. Talk to a fucking lawyer before you do anything else. Don't talk to her, don't email her, don't DM her, shit don't even think about her till you talk to a lawyer. And definitely 100% never ever meet this girl alone and not in a public place ever again.

[–]kril892 points3 points  (11 children) | Copy

In all seriousness though. Talk to a fucking lawyer before you do anything else. Don't talk to her, don't email her, don't DM her, shit don't even think about her till you talk to a lawyer. And definitely 100% never ever meet this girl alone and not in a public place ever again.

[–]Itsupport4350[S] -1 points0 points  (10 children) | Copy

Why so extreme? I know your mindset on the false rape allegation shit, but not talking to her unless through a lawyer or whatever is abit extreme, don't you think? I have a laws degree I believe I can just run these legal processes myself.

[–]actually-guy 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

I'll be the opposing viewpoint: let it go.

First, it's going to cost you another couple thousand in attys fees. Then let's say you win in court (without a contract, will be tough). Even if you win, she doesn't have this money.

So after not paying you'll have to sue again (with attys and court fees), and the court puts her on a payment plan. This is all your BEST case scenario and assuming that she stays employed this whole time. The result is either:

  1. She pays you $50/week for what, the next 8 years? She's going to be in your life every week for the next 8 years! And she is going to be a complete bitch the whole time too. So you just bought an 8-year subscription to having a spiteful bitch come around once/week. Plus, you know there are going to be hardships and weeks where she doesn't pay. In other words you just "won" 8 years of strife and aggravation.
  2. She declares bankruptcy and is now no longer liable for the judgement. You are now out $20,000 + $3,000 in atty and court fees.

Look, think of it this way: you just took a college level course in AWALT. The tuition cost: $20,000 learn from it and move on.

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

One of the main reasons I am somewhat keen to take it on is because I have a legal background and can do the legal work myself, so no fees. If I felt I HAD to get a lawyer, I know that if/when I win, she will be liable.

Without a contract? Mate if someone says they're gonna pay you back and it's in writing (phone) that's all there really is to it. I know it's not *that* simple, but you get my drift.

I assume the $50 a week will just be automatic, but you're right. Ultimately they may try to seize assets, but even if this, say, took 100 hours of my time, I'm working at $200 an hour here. Bankruptcy means she would have to sell all her assets too, which just isn't going to happen. I need to make this clear to people, effort is no hindrence to me.

[–]actually-guy 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Sounds like you already know what you want to do. Good luck, brother!

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

xx

[–]Sadiebb0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

She's only making in minimum wage, she can easily apply for bankruptcy. In CA (for example) you have to sell your assets in bankruptcy ONLY IF they are worth more than $600 or so apiece. And that amount is not what she paid for them, it's what they are officially worth right now. Which is probably very little. She can shelter her car up to $5000. And the proceeds are divided among ALL creditors, not just you. Any $$$ she is paying you now will immediately STOP when she files. It will cost her to file of course but some guy will probably front her the money. Good luck and spend $50 on a consult with a real lawyer before you get in too deep.

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Laws are different in AU but I appreciate your effort in this post.

[–]Trip-trader0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Write it off as a lesson learned and NEVER give anyone money, ever again. You only lost 1% of your net worth, you still have 99%, put your focus on positive stuff. This revenge crap will only add stress to your life and distract you. And if she is broke then you’ll be fronting lawyer fees to sue a broke person. That’s called a bad investment. Unless you want to pay $1000’s for revenge.

Invest that wisely you’ll be surprised how fast it will be gone without careful investing.

[–]bradtwo0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Well first you need to prove it was a loan not a gift.

If you have documentation stating this, even better if you have agreed upon terms then you should be able to officially request the payment back.

Take this to a lawyer, hide nothing from the lawyer in the conversations between you two. He may spot something that you missed which will help.

However, it will become very troublesome if you did not state this was a loan or did not state that she has to pay you back.

Not impossible, but more difficult.

Maybe this can be thought as a very expensive learning experience. People who inherit large sums of money, are often the target of scam, cons and beggars at every turn.

I’d personally recommend locking the largest portion of your funds away in some sort of federally backed investment, like a bond. You not having immediate access to it is, as odd as it sounds, a good way to ensure you don’t get scammed again.

Good luck brother, we are rooting for you.

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks bro. x

[–]Freedom__Fighter0 points1 point  (23 children) | Copy

You’ve learned an invaluable lesson, now go get your money back. Fuck this mooching hoe, she needs to learn a lesson in life too. Sue her for the $20k and legal fees. Don’t let her get away with a single penny.

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 0 points1 point  (22 children) | Copy

Thanks, this is the supportive community I came here for.

[–]Freedom__Fighter-1 points0 points  (21 children) | Copy

Yah bro, we all have made BP mistakes in the past, but part of our journey in life is growing a spine and not letting people fuck us over. You should not care what other people are going to think about you getting your $ back. It’s your money, period. Not giving a fuck is an essential attitude, especially in matters like this when someone does you dirty. Draw that line in the sand and now establish that the line was crossed. She certainly exhibited signs of classic AWALT and did not respect you. She did what she was allowed to get away with. Don’t let her get away with this. You as a man, an alpha demand respect. Respect is earned through hard work on yourself. As you continue to read, learn and work out, growing your body and mind you earn respect. Now go flex with a good lawyer and get that money back that she stole.

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 0 points1 point  (20 children) | Copy

thanks bro you one of the only few support in this thread

[–]CodyCodeine0 points1 point  (19 children) | Copy

You deserve it all. This is so bad, that we all feel immense second-hand anger and shame. It's actually tough love

[–]Itsupport4350[S] -1 points0 points  (18 children) | Copy

Haha stop you keep making me laugh at work.

[–]CodyCodeine0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Why the fuck do you work if you have 2 million?

[–]CodyCodeine0 points1 point  (16 children) | Copy

Yeah, stay quiet

[–]Itsupport4350[S] -1 points0 points  (15 children) | Copy

Mate, as I said in the original post I have a good job. Nothing wrong with earning an additional $80k a year you PATHETIc cuck

[–]CodyCodeine0 points1 point  (14 children) | Copy

I'm pathetic? You're the one who got played for 20k. Literally everybody here has been calling you a beta and believe you're autistic to some degree. You got a really easy path in life and you think you're the shit because granny gave you 2 mill... You also lack morals. Do you believe in god?

[–]Itsupport4350[S] -1 points0 points  (13 children) | Copy

It was a loan you stupid cunt. Perhaps when you wake up to $2.14 million in your savings account you won't care helping a mate. nahh

[–]TrimHer0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Write it off as a cheap lesson learned and be done with that slut.

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

LOL

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

lol you fucked up. The most I spend on a plate is a nice dinner. I wouldn't even loan a friend 4k. I'd rather him work for me and make the 4k. Stop giving money to people. This is what happens when you don't work for your money.

[–]BeeBopJoe0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Sue her, I don't see why ur being such a pussy.

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks for the support mate.

[–]iPattyR60 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I would have more respect for my friend if he sue’d to get his money back than I would if he just let someone walk off with 20k

[–]htowntrav0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Better get an attorney on your side. Hopefully you will keep this life lesson learned and never have to be schooled on it again. Anyways time to grow a backbone. Get an attorney ASAP get all your records and transactions squared away. It’s not about the money now. It’s about swallowing the red pill.

[–]scanfan20220 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Never ever loan money to your inner circle (friends, girlfriends, etc) if you want to help them give them the money as a gift with no expectation of being reimbursed.

[–]Hankjons0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

1) first things first, you can’t get mad at a plate for fucking another guy because you weren’t in a relationship with her and it just seems clingy and weird that you would get upset by this. 2) You’ll get your money back but you just have to be persistent about it and try and get into her life until she slowly gets it back to you. I would suggest some Machiavelli shit to do this. Dm me if you want to know how to Machiavelli the shit out of her.

[–]lnanek 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

I've been there, loaned $14k to an ex-wife who said she needed it to make rent years after we'd divorced. Collected about half of it back by calling/texting her every day for a couple years after, sometimes from burner phones, before getting tired of being her bill collector. She actually spent the money on freezing an egg because she's 37 and has no one else except a girlfriend right now. So her life is sad enough, I suppose. I remarried to a girl who never says no and is pregnant with our first kid, so I'm glad the debtor taught me what to look for.

I think $10k is the max for small claims. Your chances of getting a judgement in your favor for that amount are probably good. Law usually considers money transfer between unmarried individuals to be loans, not gifts, so as long as there aren't any receipts or other clear indication you didn't expect it to be returned, so you have a chance. Doesn't matter if you were dating/fucking.

I'd just make the required call to ask her for the money back, document it, file the paperwork to get your court day, pay the sheriff to serve the papers, then stop thinking about it. There's generally no more social interaction with the debtor after this. Keep in mind if the person is an international student or anything like that, they usually just skip town rather than pay anything. So keep in mind you may get nothing back in return for your time. Much as you'd like to get revenge or change the person, there's usually no change in the debtor's behavior, beyond hitting up different people for money instead.

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks mate.

[–]FlyingSexistPig0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

When you loan money to a woman, consider it, in your own mind, to be a gift.

That $20k is gone. It's not coming back. Even if you sue and win, you still have to collect. The court decision makes it easier for you to force the issue, but it's still a HUGE pain in the ass. If she doesn't want to pay, it's really hard to force the issue.

So, lending her money was a $20k mistake. Consider it a cheap one and move on with your life.

[–]failingtheturingtest0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

One never loans money to friends, family or acquaintances. They gift it.

It is extremely difficult in many cases to prove that there was an agreement to return any money. Even more so when there are repeated loans. There are reasons why banks and other financial institutions have to check what you currently owe and if you've got a history of paying it back. Because if they know you can't afford to pay the money back and loan it to you anyway, they're fucked.

You were very stupid. Talk to a lawyer, but make DAMN sure they know they can win. Don't accept a contract for 5k win or lose. That will just see you out of pocket for another 5k +.

Next time you want to spend 20k to get laid, message me. I'll give you some pointers and wingman you for 10k. You can spend the other 10k and buy yourself something nice.

[–]Itsupport4350[S] -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

If you're constantly told you're going to get paid back, that if a lump sum ever comes in it's yours, that establishes a pretty clear intention to pay back.

[–]failingtheturingtest0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Yet, if you loaned money after they still hadn't made any payments, you're now without a leg to stand on. Because you know they cannot pay back what they already owe.

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'm entitled to owe what I want, when I want.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Does she owe taxes on this money? Thot audit?

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

lmao no.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Have you heard about the thot audit movement? Neck beards are reporting Instagram and Snapchat hoes who charge for pics to the IRS. Idk if a personal loan or gift of money is taxable though.

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah I have. And no it wouldn't be

[–]Prysefighter0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Dude if you're rich why are you living in a small town? You get off on being the big fish in a tiny pond? Go live your life, not get involved over drama for 20k cause you're mad someone liked someone else more than you.

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's 200k population.

[–]SlappaDaBayssMon0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Simple question for you:

Which do you value more? Do that one.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

My main concern is that I live in a somewhat town, and if the word gets around I sued the arse off this poor person when I didn't need to when I have a fair bit which ended up destroying her financially, reputation may go down the shitter.

So... ?

[–]FiveStarTendieDinner0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Take the loss. Write it off on your taxes. Ghost this bitch because she will probably be flat broke again in 3-4 years sucking dick for drug money.

[–]CodyCodeine0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Proof that privileged kids are the weakest

[–]CodyCodeine0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Look man, I've been grilling you in the replies, but here's my actual 2 cents. You will fail taking the legal revenge route. You got cucked, which isn't illegal. You do however have enough money to get revenge in illegal ways. Do not hurt her physically, but destroy her mentally. She cannot get away with this. Stop being a pussy and look into more creative options. You've got the money to afford it

[–]Iwantmypasswordback0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

No question, do it. You’re well off enough to get a good lawyer and let them handle everything except your showing up on the days of the hearings.

You can sit back while she sweats it out and continue your life. The lawyer will probably tell you this but once you initiate these steps don’t respond to any of her correspondence. Please update.

[–]3chazthundergut0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That is a lot of money to spend on a very important lesson.

Lawyer up and make sure you never do something so stupid again.

[–]NoFaithInThisSub0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

My main concern is that I live in a somewhat town, and if the word gets around I sued the arse off this poor person when I didn't need to when I have a fair bit which ended up destroying her financially, reputation may go down the shitter.

you have ~$1,970,000 million dollars (-20k and guessing 10k on other useless things), you can move.

[–]mrpoopistan0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

My advice is that you suck it up.

$20,000 is a cheap price to learn a lesson of this magnitude.

[–]HectoSexual0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You’re worried about your reputation???? Are you fucking kidding me? How about financially smashing the face off of someone who betrayed you? How bout that for a reputation?

[–]AceMav210 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Well.... Run a cost benefit analysis and get some legal consultation. I’m dubious you’ll conveniently retain what left your hands after legal fees and time. Here’s a note ANY FUCKING PORTFOLIO OF STOCKS, BONDS, ETFS, and other LIQUID Assets paying out 2% dividends or yields would more than replace that in the same time a damn successful lawsuit wouldn’t. Shit. How’s she a plate if she successfully siphoned $20k from you. Shit I’ve never seen $20k in my life and you flush that. You could get top tier blue chip escort orgies every night for a month with that. Some divorces don’t even cost that much, and you call that a plate? Learn to respect your wealth from which it came. It wasn’t earned, it’s the monetary credit for the work your ancestors put in. There’s no reason it can’t earn for you though.

[–]Jay-G0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

This is funny. Did you have any TRP knowledge when you loaned this money out? Because if you did then don’t come here asking asking for advice. Just by analyzing this question I can tell you’re a beta. Do yourself a favor, read up on the sidebar, meditate on it, apply it to yourself. About your situation, don’t act on the money in retaliation. If she was still fucking your brains out your beta ass wouldn’t ask for a dime of it back. When you find out she’s a whore and swallowing your buddy’s load and kissing you then all of the sudden you want your money back, HA. Seems like you’re doing well off either way. Learn from your mistake, never lend money. If you want to get your money back don’t surprised by the backlash you will get.

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

No I did not. I made that clear in the post.

If she was still fucking your brains out your beta ass wouldn’t ask for a dime of it back.

Terrible, but true.

[–]Jay-G0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Don’t let it be true. Make the adjustments. An alpha takes what’s his. Be assertive and dominant, it’s your money, make her pay up. If you would prefer to be passive you wouldn’t be on here asking for advice. Be consistent in your actions and motives. That’s what builds character and frame.

[–]MajIssuesCaptObvious0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Consult a lawyer. It might cost you 20k in legal fees just to win 20k that she won't be able to pay back. At that point, you might just have to move on... But not before having the lawyer send her a letter saying she needs to start making payments or risk legal action. They'll make her sweat bullets.

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks mate.

[–]ArthurTheAstronaut0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

My main concern is that I live in a somewhat town, and if the word gets around I sued the arse off this poor person when I didn't need to when I have a fair bit which ended up destroying her financially, reputation may go down the shitter.

  1. So fucking move.

  2. Or do what you should have done in the beginning and stop giving a fuck what anyone else thinks. Jesus Christ.

  3. Shut the fuck up.

[–]YoungManHHF0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

yeah thats gonna be an OMEGALUL from me dawg

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You should be posting about this in the legaladvice sub-reddit and not here.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You think it's "childish" to pursue legal action in order to collect a debt? What the hell is wrong with you? You don't deserve to get your money back.

[–]1atticusfinch19731 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy

Unless you have a contract you're probably screwed. Text messages with her promising to pay you back won't hold up in court.

I'd cut your losses. If the car is in your name then you could repo it and sell it plus anything else you bought for her but otherwise chalk it up to a lesson learned to never lend money to anyone you expect to get back without having it in writing.

[–]HurricaneHugues0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Are you a lawyer?

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

I understand contracts are obviously the ideal situation, but text messages with the same elements are almost the same. Given how poor she is I imagine she couldn't defend the matter anyway which is what I am kinda hoping as it'll end in a default judgement then. You still sure you would cut the losses?

[–]trenrespecter8 points9 points  (5 children) | Copy

Don't listen to that fucking idiot, or anyone here for that matter unless it's an advice pointing you to talk to a lawyer directly. Theres a bunch of little children (like the boy you replied to here) thinking they know things about stuff they really have no clue about, autistists and children disguised as hobby psychologists and lawyers are swarming this sub.

Go talk to a lawyer directly about this, definitely do not give up pursuing your 20k.

[–]vicious_armbar 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

It probably won't be worth finding a lawyer and paying their retainer if she doesn't have any substantial assets he can seize. He can go to small claims court instead. In many states small claims court won't allow either side to be represented by a lawyer. Making the whole ordeal much cheaper.

[–]HurricaneHugues0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Are you a fucking lawyer?

[–]vicious_armbar 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

No, an accountant in the process of becoming a CPA. Obviously not the same as a lawyer. But one of the subjects the covered pretty extensively is debt, and the options regarding the collection of delinquent debt.

[–]HurricaneHugues0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

You're not a lawyer

[–]frequentlywrong0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Fuck no it's not childish. Anyone saying that is a retard who should be ignored.

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Please see my edit. Adds more context.

[–]HurricaneHugues0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Do you have $20K you can give me right now? Ill send you my PayPal account.

[–]flowithego0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Moderate this /r better or I’m leaving, this is getting annoying.

[–]look_up_there0 points1 point  (13 children) | Copy

What the fuck.... Go sort it out, why are you asking here. You know what we are going to say, so go and do it

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 2 points3 points  (12 children) | Copy

I thought this is a place where brothers can talk? As I said in the original post if you bothered to read it, I am torn mentally. This was a very good friend at one stage and even though we might have parted ways on shit terms, the second I send the email saying she's getting sued she loses every little bit of respect she may or may not have had for me.

[–]HurricaneHugues4 points5 points  (8 children) | Copy

"the second I send the email saying she's getting sued she loses every little bit of respect she may or may not have had for me."

She never had any respect for you in the first place. You think she blocked you because she's offended that you would ask her your money back?

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy

Well she literally did 10 minutes after I sent a FB message saying I was thinking of doing so

[–]HurricaneHugues2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy

You're a Grade A fucking moron. Good job telegraphing all your moves to your opponent. How do you even manage to cross the street and not get hit by cars?

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Telegraphing my moves? What's the fucking problem mate? How is her knowing of the potential of getting sued say.... a fortnight before I otherwise would beneficial? Jesus

[–]HurricaneHugues0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

A fortnight? Who even speaks like this?

Dude, you know what? Nevermind. I'm happy for you.

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

good

[–]CodyCodeine0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Autistic people

[–]CodyCodeine0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This is one of the stupidest people I've ever come across on the internet

[–]CodyCodeine0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You're still a beta. That line gave it away

[–]ziphias1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

I'm with you here, man. These responses calling you names are trite and to a point, unnecessary. We've all made mistakes with people, with life, with women. Sometimes thats in the form of money. I'm certain that there are guys here who are giving you shit that have given something else more valuable than money to a woman, be it their time, their love, etc and subsequently were crushed and ended up here.

Besides the whole "get a lawyer" advice that I'm glad to hear you're following, I would just like to impress one thing on you, that I'm sure you "know", but that I can tell you don't really get because of how you talk:

The world is an incredibly large place, full of other people, flavors, sights, smells, experience. There are entirely different ways of life, ways of living, out there. And even if you didn't have money, you could experience much of it. The point is, who cares about what your small town thinks? Who cares what people who would judge you without knowing both sides of the story, who probably have never gone far from their town, who aren't in your position and have never lived a day in your shoes, think?

Your decisions here are heavily influenced by the thoughts and feelings of the town, this girl, of people you may know. You're trying to find an outcome that makes everyone happy. I don't know the secret to success, but the secret to failure is trying to make everyone happy.

Good luck to you brother.

[–]CodyCodeine0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

He gave his time, money, energy, best friend, and pride to her. I wouldn't try to talk that down

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Never heard more epic advice. Thank you.

[–]NeedingAdvice860 points1 point  (11 children) | Copy

You aren't getting that money back...you paid 15K for a piece of pussy.

I would say lesson learn but I suspect that you have some mental issues and will like be dead broke in 5 years.

You aren't getting that money back...as soon as you relate that you were fucking this chick then it was a relationship and you were just giving your partner some money.

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 0 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy

Mental issues? What?

She made it very clear it was not a relationship.

[–]LonghornPride052 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy

If she made it very clear it was not a relationship, you really shouldn’t be upset with her fucking your friend.

[–]Itsupport4350[S] -1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy

Unless your reputation is worth 20 grand to you, yes. There is no clean way to get out of this, to be honest. Either you become a laughing stock who lost 20 grand to some chick, or you become the asshole who got his money back from said chick. Personally I'd rather be the latter. And unless there's something keeping you tied to that small town, I'd take that 20 grand once you have it back and use it to move somewhere where this sort of drama doesn't follow you until the end of time.

But still, when there's still something going on with us, with a good friend, on the couch in your own house? Seriously...

[–]LonghornPride052 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

You tried to wooh her by showering her with money when she made it clear she didn’t want a relationship with you. You thought your money would change her mind. Instead she used your house and couch (why does she even have access to that in the first place?) to fuck someone close to you. She never respected you. You let her play you like a fiddle. The fact that you’re so against getting a lawyer involved tells me you still have some naive dream that things can still be repaired with her. You still moronically believe you can save face here. You lost a long, long time ago. Sack up and do what you need to do to get your money back or just shut up. She is not going to take your messages to her seriously, nor should she. She had you wrapped around her finger; why on earth would she give you anything back? She knows you won’t do what needs to be done.

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

What? she's off dating chad, I have no intentions of fixing anything. I want my damn money back.

[–]CodyCodeine0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You refuse to get creative with your revenge. Such a low level thinker

[–]CodyCodeine2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy

Were you diagnosed with autism? Or are you undiagnosed

[–]Itsupport4350[S] -1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy

Stop.

[–]CodyCodeine2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Get over it

[–]Itsupport4350[S] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

I will fuk u up

[–]CodyCodeine1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Dude, you can't even get a dollar back from a bitch. You can only get women with money you didn't even earn. Pathetic honestly. I'm not scared of you at all, beta boy

[–]Blackhawk2479-3 points-2 points  (15 children) | Copy

You inherited $2mil but you’re chasing a “plate” for $20k that you gave her in the first place?

Bitch, please.

[–]the1pope5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Certain Betas are kind hearted like that lol

[–]trenrespecter4 points5 points  (10 children) | Copy

You're retarded, i'd make it my lifes mission to chase after it even if i had $20mil and she owed me 10$. It's the fucking principle and not the amount, even though 20k is a fuckload of money no matter if he has 2 mil or not, gtfo

[–]Blackhawk2479-2 points-1 points  (9 children) | Copy

You’re a fucking bitch too then. You’re actually suggesting wasting time and money on a lawyer to chase 1% of the inheritance?

Neither you nor OP should give a fuck.

[–]trenrespecter1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Enjoy living your life with a cock in your mouth 24/7, no principles like a little bitch. Does it taste good?

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Considering she would be liable for my lawyer's costs and it may end up being like, a few hours of my time liasing with the lawyer it isn't really that much of my time.

[–]Blackhawk24790 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

She’s only liable if you win, which you won’t, because you say it was a loan, she’ll say it was a gift, and you’ll have nothing in writing to counter her, so that’s the end of it.

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I have a gut feeling she won't even reply to the court serving, so it'll default to me anyway. And if it went before a judge it's pretty easy to show text messages with her asking/accepting the money and saying "i'll pay you back." Call me a cuck but $4k for the car for example was when she had a boyfriend, why the hell on earth would that be a gift? Not to mention the repayments she has made so far is kind of an admission.

[–]plenkton0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

1%

If the cost (including OP's time) is less than 20k, then go for it.

And if it's more than 20k to recover, and OP values making it right, then go for it.

[–]HurricaneHugues0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

It's about the principle, not the money. Simps like you are the reason why bitches even do shit like this. Because they know you spineless cucks will do NOTHING about it, and they will get away with it. $20K is a lot of fucking money. I would chase anyone to ends of the galaxy to get my money back or at least ruin their life. Even if I was a billionaire.

If you let shit like that go, it'll end up opening up a path for you to allow more disrespect from other people. If you can easily let $20K go and not punish someone who wronged you so hard, then what else would you allow someone to do to you? Where do you draw the line?

[–]Blackhawk24790 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Son, you don’t know the first thing about me, the “simp” here is OP for giving her the money in the first place.

Principles aren’t going to do shit for him now. He’s all riled up about it, making an emotional decision (like a girl) to chase her for it, likely throwing good money after bad, when he should just be enjoying his wealth and living like a fucking king without a care in the world.

You need to move on from the anger phase and take OP with you. Back in your hole.

[–]HurricaneHugues0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Real cute choice of words there, I bet you feel so fierce and empowered, CLOWN.

He needs to get his $20K back no matter the cost. The principle outweighs the amount. If you're gonna let a girl cuck you with your best friend, then walk away with $20K of YOUR cash, then you shouldn't have any problem with me spitting in your face on the street. You don't have any self respect and you have no boundaries. I should be able to spit in your face, and you should shrug it off. That's the message you send.

$20k is not a small sum. If you're okay with getting finessed out of $20K, AND get fucked by your best friend... Then where exactly do you draw a line?

[–]Blackhawk24791 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I draw the line at not lending bitches (or anyone for that matter) money in the first place. People don’t “finesse” me because I’m not an idiot, and I don’t struggle with self-respect or respect from others because I have my shit together and am a high value man.

I think you may have learning difficulties, so I’m not going to bother with you any more.

[–]HurricaneHugues1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Loaned, not gave. And you forget the part where she fucked his best friend.

[–]Blackhawk2479-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

AWALT - that’s why he shouldn’t have given her it in the first place.

Using that as further motivation to chase her for it is just childish bitterness - completely pointless when you have $2 million.

[–]HurricaneHugues1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You're a dumbass. Yes he made a mistake. But $20K is still $20K. Go ask Warren Buffet if he can give you $2K since he's a billionaire. Wait for his answer.

The bitch not only is trying to run off with the money, but she fucked his best friend behind his back. You don't let that go away. She needs to pay that large sum of money back. Spineless men like you are the reason why these hoes even do shit like this. Because they know you're all to weak and too pathetic to hold them accountable for their actions. They'll fuckbyour best friend, finnesse you out of $20K, and you would still say "Baby come back".

Honestly man, you fucking disgust me and I pray I never have to deal with or befriend any of your kind.

[–]deltron80-2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy

Can I have $5k?

[–]Itsupport4350[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

no

[–][deleted] -4 points-3 points  (3 children) | Copy

Literally everything you've described is literally some of the most BP shit ever, including your current though process, and I assume other people have now adequately pointed out how you don't give money to friends, you don't give money to plates or even wives, you don't get mad plates fuck other people because she's a fucking plate and you don't play yourself like Hitler and Russia.

Since you're looking at legal options, a bad lawyer will tell you to sue. I'm a good lawyer, but I'll still tell you to sue if I didn't care about you so that I could bill you for the good stuff. As a good lawyer that actually likes keeping clients around however, I will tell you:

A. Don't sue her and waste your time.

B. If the payments were as regular as you say, claim her as a dependent and get income tax benefits. Make sure to tell her to note the same.

C. If you can't do B, then, or under the table, get some benefits. Stop treating it like "unsecured debt" and treat it as something else, like a mortgage, and get some property from her in return.

[–]RichardChristyDiaper1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

You sound like a bad lawyer. Makes sense since one of your first posts says you’re a 22 year old student trying to make money with your restaurant management, insider sales, and legal research skills. OP I’d say ignore this jokers advice.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

I admire the amount of effort you took to get to know me. It feels good knowing you care. I wish I had time like you on my hands.

I have a varied and interesting past. I like to learn a lot about a lot of things. I'm also a damn good law student at the best law school in Asia. So he can either waste his time trying to sue, or he can make the best of a bad situation and get either tax benefits or something else in exchange in an implied contract. Either way I don't really care, since I'm not getting paid for any of this.

[–]RichardChristyDiaper0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

So you’re not a lawyer....it’s nice having this kind of time though. You could take a break from DND and describing your dick/looking for hookers online and have 30 seconds back to look and see why someone claiming to be a good lawyer obviously isn’t good or a lawyer.



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