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The 8-5 slog and how to escape it

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June 18, 2020

What's up dudes,

I just started my first corporate job as a summer intern, and while I like the work I'm doing, my god do I hate everything else. Only after 3 weeks have I realized that this cannot be what life is about. How are people okay with spending their entire days just working away to come home too tired to do anything productive in the little remaining hours they have left to themselves?

I realize that a rebuttal to this rant could be that I just don't like what I'm doing. I enjoy what I'm doing, I just don't like the company I'm doing it for because I don't care about or align with their mission.

I feel like this is why modern America is depressed and anxious. There's no way waking up every day at 7 just to go to a pseudo-tolerable job that pays your bills is worth the little free time and mediocre financial freedom it gives you. I'm only 20 years old, and so I want to set myself up now so that by the time I hit 30, I don't have to do this anymore.

I've been diligently studying every day after work just for myself so I feel like I'm already on the right path. However, I'd still like some guidance. To any of you who have escaped this slog, how did you do it and what advice can you give?

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Title The 8-5 slog and how to escape it
Author russian-jewboi
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Comments 118
Date 18 June 2020 01:07 PM UTC (8 months ago)
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[–]TheGoblinTurkey51 points52 points  (13 children) | Copy

Remote work my friend. I'm a software engineer, love the work, hate the 9-5 rat race office life. Been working remotely since the start of covid and it's changed the game for me.

Working remotely gives two main benefits.

  1. Time. Finding the time to get a workout in, work on personal projects or enjoy myself is so much easier when I don't spend 2 hours of my day commuting, getting ready for work. Also when you're stuck in the office all you can do is talk to the people in the office. Whereas from home if you're waiting for someone to call you back you can start cooking the dinner, iron your clothes etc. Saves you time.

  2. You can now live anywhere. Why not move somewhere sunnier and cheaper? Now you don't need so much money. Now you don't need to work so much. Think about how you would spend your life if you were rich, for me it would be travel + hobbies + girls. Oh wait a second, if I just work remotely then that dream comes true.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy

Just started WFH as a DevOps Engineer. It's made me love my job again.

[–]sefqef2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Man I need a bit of help. I want to know the job requirements for an entry level devops job. It looks like an interesting field. I'm 4 years out of college doing SAP automation and I fucking hate it

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Hi, I'd say if you have a back ground in development or sys admin you'd be fine applying for DevOps roles. I'm a developer that just happened to do some platform work building pipelines (Circle Ci, Drone CI, jenkins) and writing Infrastructure as code (AWS CloudFormation, Terraform). What sort of experience do you have (tech stack/industry)? Not sure what SAP Automation is to be honest

[–]russian-jewboi[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I'm going for SWE once I graduate. Who do you work for that allows you to work remotely? I may have to look into your company lol

[–]TheGoblinTurkey1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Won't name the company but generic engineering company in the south of the UK. My role isn't exactly remote by definition, but covid has forced everyone to work remotely, and turns out I can do that pretty well. There seems to have been a culture shift recently, everyone is waking up to the fact that forcing everyone to travel long distances to work in the same stuffy room isn't always a good use of resources.

[–]CSCodeMonkey0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

Hey im graduating end of the month. Currently learning react and node.js. Whay language are you working in? Any recommendations for a newbie entering the workforce? Cheers

[–]russian-jewboi[S] 3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy

I'm not the original commenter but if you wanna be stuck doing frontend development, then yeah keep learning React and Node.js, as well as some Python. I'd try to make yourself more well rounded, though, and dive into a backend language like Python, C++, or Java, that way you don't limit to yourself to pure frontend work.

Also work on personal projects.

[–]CSCodeMonkey0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Hey thanks! I have some experience in spring boot as well. In my last intership i was using react with sprintboot and mysql. I think I want to get into c++ next! What do you do?

[–]russian-jewboi[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

I'm a data scientist so I work primarily in Python doing ML and data cleaning. Probably should pick up SQL too since every good dev needs to know database management.

C++ is going to be a bitch to learn if you don't have a lot of experience programming, but if you're able to pull it off and get really good at it, the world is yours.

[–]CSCodeMonkey0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'm not amazing at programming yet. I took a hit this year becauae I took 15 courses in my fourth year to graduate. But i have my internship experience and some projects. Hopefully I can land something in this climate. Cheers

[–]TheGoblinTurkey4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Try and become a 'T' shaped engineer. Basically have a speciality but also be able to hop around and do different things.

Get good at interviews/impressing the people hiring. A lot of this just comes with time, the more you practice the better you get.

Most of office politics just comes down to being best friends with everyone. Isolate colleague's to 1to1 talks often to make everyone think you're their best friend. Don't get involved with drama. Put your ego aside, you can always get better.

Make a small project and put it on GitHub, doesn't matter what it is / how good it is so much, more that you can talk passionately about it. Make a presentation about it, print it off and bring it to interview. The more time in the interview you spend talking about how much you love what you do, the less time they can spend asking you questions where you might fuck up.

It's all just like any other skill, you'll suck for a long time before you get good. Then once you start getting good it all becomes much easier.

[–]CSCodeMonkey0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Thank you for your input!

[–]Powerfucking500068 points69 points  (15 children) | Copy

There's no way waking up every day at 7 just to go to a pseudo-tolerable job that pays your bills is worth the little free time and mediocre financial freedom it gives you.

Spend less money than you make. That mathematical equation always works.

I'm only 20 years old, and so I want to set myself up now so that by the time I hit 30, I don't have to do this anymore.

Cool. Start a small business. Check out The Sweaty Startup podcast. Lots of good ideas there.

To any of you who have escaped this slog, how did you do it and what advice can you give?

Setting up multiple streams of income is the rule of thumb. But you will always have problems no matter where you go and what you do. You're exchanging one set of problems for another set. Good luck.

[–]russian-jewboi[S] 16 points17 points  (13 children) | Copy

Thanks for the response. I'm currently working on a few startup ideas with friends, so hopefully something blossoms from that.

I do recognize that problems will always spring up, but I'd much rather have a life where I'm independent and get to deal with my problems in a way that I get to choose rather than having to deal with corporate bureaucracy.

[–]clickherebaby3 points4 points  (10 children) | Copy

Hey what do you do as an intern

[–]russian-jewboi[S] 3 points4 points  (9 children) | Copy

I'm a data scientist

[–]clickherebaby1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy

What background does that require

[–]russian-jewboi[S] 7 points8 points  (7 children) | Copy

Lots of programming and statistics/machine learning knowledge

[–]clickherebaby11 points12 points  (6 children) | Copy

Sounds like a great field to be in. Take it from me, a bank teller lol. Still im debt free and worth 40k+ a year after college. I invest as much as i can.

As long as you save 50% or more of your salary and invest in opportunities you believe in youll be fine.

[–]russian-jewboi[S] 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy

I agree, but I'm starting to realize that DS isn't what I want to do for the rest of my life. Ideally I'd like to be machine learning engineer (not the same thing) or backend software engineer at one of the big tech companies. The issue with my current company is I'm working on stuff that I really don't care about, whereas at the big tech companies, I'll (likely) be working on things that I use all the time and I feel like my work will have a tangible benefit rather than just me trying to find ways to reduce costs from some messy data (my current role lol).

[–]clickherebaby5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

Youre 20 right? Likely youre still in school so you gotta give it time. A mini retirement for you at 30 is not out of the question. Youll be at 6 figures by 24-25 if you keep moving up

[–]russian-jewboi[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yes sir that's the goal. I'm grinding away for interview prep after work every day so that I can land the best job possible out of college given the current situation. Graduating in December with a math degree.

[–]absolutelynp3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

careful there, big tech is also just corporate land with fancier colors. watch silicon valley. Its all the (awful) same. Ex semi-big tech here btw

[–]russian-jewboi[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

That's true. The thing is that with big tech, the money is much better so I can get out quicker. I realize that all of the big companies are corporate heavy, but with big tech, I can make much more than in non-tech, thus allowing me to retire earlier.

[–]bayfarm3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Sounds like you just hate that particular job. Not all 9-5 are soul crushing. Just remember you're not obligated to stay.

[–]russian-jewboi[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

The role itself I enjoy. However, I don't have much guidance and a lot of the people I'm working for don't know what the fuck they're talking about since I work as a tech person in a non-tech company. I also don't care about the company's mission. But you could be right.

[–]CivilianMonty3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

you will always have problems no matter where you go and what you do. You're exchanging one set of problems for another set.

Can't believe how true this is. The key is to pick problems you like solving.

[–]gotmilo1123 points24 points  (1 child) | Copy

Just started my first 40hrs a week .. I come home work out and it's already 7 o clock. Then I eat and relax it's about 8ish, 9ish.. then rainse and repeat. But like one person said, find a niche in the company, build an idea, keep it a secret and steal as much information from your boss, supervisor and co-workers that may benefit your business. And in steal I mean ideas, company structures and their weaknesses to make it better.

[–]BetterCallSaulsa11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

Exactly this. Very few people realize how many higher ups think their ideas are flawless because they’ve likely never set foot on the front lines and their understaff just love to lick the boss’s ass clean. Use that to your advantage and never call attention to those issues.

[–]FrankTM2618 points19 points  (1 child) | Copy

Man I feel you 100%! The corporate grind sucks. I've been at it for 8 years and I don't see it getting better, especially in the industry I'm in.

The best thing to do is to get the experience under your belt to get higher paying jobs down the line or learn a skill. Your income is your biggest wealth building tool and the more you can get, the more you can stash away and invest it so you can break away from corporate america earlier.

Never get stuck at a company for more than 3 years unless the salary is great or you get promoted within that time. Diminishing returns start to set in after that and your income potential goes down. It's always going to be a grind, but stay focused on your goals and know it takes time to get what you seek.

[–]russian-jewboi[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah bro I'm constantly teaching myself new things so I'm glad I've instilled that habit into myself early on in my career. The plan is to hop around jobs every few years to get significant raises, and hopefully I can use that money to start a business. Thanks for the insight, man.

[–]king_of_red_alphas10 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy

Sounds like somebody has a case of the Mondays.

[–]russian-jewboi[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy


[–]crazycoconut2470 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

No. No, man. Shit, no, man. I believe you'd get your ass kicked sayin' something like that, man.

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[–]Johnny_Monsanto7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Funny thing is that people think working for yourself means you won't have to do 40 hours a week. At the start you will probably work more than 40 hours a week but at least you are doing it for yourself. There is really no easy way out.

[–]violetmonstermunch7 points8 points  (5 children) | Copy

I feel you. You spend all your time, energy, intellect to make someone else richer. At MOST, if you are lucky, you have enough free time to go to the gym, eat well and sleep well. It feels like there is no point because you don't do anything that really has value and meaning to you through the day. The week-end comes and you have to clean, buy groceries, take care of paperwork. You go out with friends and drink to have a good night, but it only help you forget, and not improve your reality.

The answer I found was to aim for FIRE while trying to live correctly on the way there.

[–]russian-jewboi[S] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

Yeah exactly, man. This is all just to make someone above me more money, and I know I'm worth more than that and I know that I have what it takes to break away from that. I guess I have some pretty anti-establishment views which may not gel well with others' opinions, but it's just how I feel.

I'm a fan of the FIRE movement and actively read the posts on the FIRE subreddit.

[–]violetmonstermunch3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

The office for my first job was located in the countryside. Every evening, I had to take a 5 minutes walk to hop onto the bus to head back to the city that was 40 minutes away by bus. Guess what, on that 5 minute walks, I would be walking past one of the CEO's houses. It was a litteral CASTLE (I live in France). Everyday I would walk in front of it, and see them driving ferraris, enjoying life. I would see the kids wear expensive clothes and laugh, and love life. I would walk past that castle every morning and night, 5 days a week, and I would always think "I had a crappy day, spent all my energy and efforts so that THEY could live this dream life" and I would head back to my 20 square meters apartment. I couldn't comprehend why I would use all my strength and energy to benefit THEM and not me.

[–]russian-jewboi[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

If you can't beat 'em, join 'em. Wishing you luck, brother.

[–]violetmonstermunch4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks, you too.

[–]zachthrowaway3001 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

yep, well said.

[–]Psychological_Radish6 points7 points  (7 children) | Copy

Early this year I quit my job to go off on my own.

Yes, fantastic timing with the pandemic, but so far it's worked out. I spent over three years saving and investing most of my salary. My investments did very well; two of them more than doubled in value. I also built up a side business running an e-commerce store. My weekly schedule is to spend about 20 hours doing menial labor to pay the bills (Uber Eats deliveries and personal shopping), but with those jobs I make my own schedule. The rest of my time is spent working on my other business ventures.

As a single guy with no family, you actually don't need that much money to pay rent and maintain a decent lifestyle. The income from my online store combined with investment income and doing 20 hours of shit menial labor is enough to cover my personal expenses. As time goes on, I hope to eliminate those 20 hours of unproductive time making deliveries by generating income from other sources. I live in a very expensive city, although if I moved somewhere cheaper I probably wouldn't even need to be working for wages at all.

What is your goal here? To retire and live out your years in a beach town? To start a business? It's difficult to give advice when we don't know what you want.

[–]russian-jewboi[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Thanks for your input. My goal is to stop working by the time I hit 30 so that I can travel the world for a few years, and then work on my riskier ideas. I feel like I pick things up very quickly, and so I'd like to be able to have the freedom to just work on whatever my heart desires.

If you want a more concrete example, take a look at George Hotz. While I don't like to idolize people, I definitely look at him as an inspiration because he doesn't give a fuck about corporate America and does whatever the hell he wants, and he can do this because he's made enough money in his earlier years to now do whatever. Ideally I'd like to reach a point like that before 30.

In regards to your "beach town" point, I definitely don't want to just quit working once I have the means to do so. I feel like I'd go insane if I wasn't consistently using my brain to think critically and build cool shit.

[–]Psychological_Radish1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Well if you're looking to "retire" there's a forum called FIRE or something like that where they discuss strategies for this. But the honest answer is that most of these early retirement types pulled down $100k+ a year (probably closer to $200k) while working tech/engineering type jobs and living very modestly. There's no big secret.

That said, I'm not in tech and decided that I didn't want to spend the rest of my 20s doing 9-5 while the world rushes me by, so that isn't a path that I intend to follow.

[–]woke_wizard0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

America? how do you afford health insurance? This scares me from making the leap

[–]Psychological_Radish0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

My state provides health insurance through an exchange...not for free, but pretty cheap.

[–]tyalanm0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

You're that 26 year old dude who when he goes back to his alma mater/college campuses completely slays because you know girls like hot, fun guys, right?

[–]Psychological_Radish0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I must've made an impression on you

[–]tyalanm0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You most definitely did man. I remember reading that comment of yours and going "Man this guy's legitimately red pill and living the life" so I scoured your post history and just read. You bring good insights to the community so I'm thankful you post and share your thoughts/experiences.

[–]absolutelynp5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy

I realized that mid twenties but was too late, slaving away had already taken its toll, I needed time to recover and to kick bad habits. Then I deepened my knowledge in coding and started my first idea which failed, second failed too now Im on my third and can almost see the light. When you hate the corporate world and actually see how everything is, goind back is hard and its hard to keep sane. Its possible but its takes hard work. So if you can, stay away from it, working towards that is maybe the best thing you can do for yourself.

My suggestion would be to learn to code and then not pursue the big money topics like AI, Blockchain or whatever is trending now but to learn to write an end to and application with whatever you may fancy. And learn everything so you can work alone. (Use a web near language then you can utilize cloud services and web APIs this way you can build nearly anthing). Then you go out and help small to mid sized businesses. They may pay little at the beginning but you will see their needs and there wont be much (good) competition because its just small business right?

Also watch Office Space :)

EDIT: bro I just read you can already code...what are we talking about here? Go to small businesses, find out what they need, laugh at their pityful small problems, write the code and sell...

[–]russian-jewboi[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Luckily I already know how to do most of the stuff you described including AI stuff :) just a matter of finding a niche to exploit within, now

[–]absolutelynp0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

honestly man with the small to mid sized companies there is no competition. Once I was at a carpenter and he told me every company in their trade has a website from the same company just because they show news specific to the trade on the website...300 bucks per month...I mean what?? no competition there and there is plenty more stuff...make something with ERP/CRM for small businesses and you cash in too...there are few per se standards and they are getting ripped off to this day. To do something there was actually my idea 0 but it was "beneath" me. If I had pursued it right from the start, I would have been done by today easily (was 10 years ago). But you know how it is, techies are children that want to play so I moved on to cloud stuff.......

[–]russian-jewboi[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Hahaha it's funny that you bring up ERP/CRM because the two things I'm working on right now are CRM-esque softwares for small subdivisions of some large industries that require tailor made software that no one has capitalized on yet. Hopefully no one's caught on yet lol

[–]LeatherBoundWisdom3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy

I'm an intern, in the same boat, but I don't mind it as much. The slog keeps you busy. I get home, and instead of viewing it as too tired to do anything, I go lift, I'll read sometimes, cook some good healthy nourishing food, and have a beer or smoke a cig with a buddy. Then I sleep like a baby and wake up the next day like a baller.

Of course, work gives you a lot of stress but overcoming this and imposing by sheer will a pleasant and powerful disposition is a great challenge. At the end of these few months I know I'll make great gains mentally and physically. As far as doing this full-time, I don't know, but for a short burst of improvement I'm more than content.

[–]russian-jewboi[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Yeah I'm definitely spending my free time improving, and I know that at the end of this summer I'll be much more resilient. I just don't want to do this for the rest of my life lol

[–]LeatherBoundWisdom0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Yea, my ideal plan is work to build capital, competence, and connections, then go start a business doing whatever. I think running your own shit as a man is very beneficial.

[–]russian-jewboi[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yep exactly.

[–]SteveJobsIdiotCousin4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

I have the same thoughts. I finally negotiated one work from home day per week, but even that wasn’t enough.

Coronavirus actually saved me. Now we have multiple work from home days per week and it’s pseudo permanent. Much easier to have a life during the week when you work from home.

Other than that, life is hopeless. Maybe bust ass and build your own business once you have a good foundation w your regular job (ONLY then is it safe to try risky shit like starting a business or trying to be an artist or musician).

As for your job choice, I find the “do what you love” platitude to be garbage. Doing what you love still feels like work when you’re forced to do it for 40 hrs on someone else’s terms, and it leads a lot of people down a path of poverty bc they choose “fun” yet low paying career paths.

Find something you’re decently passionate about that pays well and that you don’t HATE - that’s the key imo

[–]russian-jewboi[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yep I agree with your sentiments. Also username checks out.

[–]W_O_M_B_A_T9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy

So what you're asking is for the social expectation of showing up at a given time in the morning, yield precedence to some other kind of performance goal.

So what happens when the person or people you're working for don't care about time constraints like that?

Well, then the expectation tends to naturally fall onto work, work, work, perform perform, perform. "We don't care where or when you show up as long as it's delivered by Thursday." In that situation you have to negotiate a lot harder in order to get personal time off and leave sooner than, say 7pm.

While it can be done, you have to be very good at time management and under-promising while over-delivering. You can't just say. "It's the weekend you'll have to wait X number of business days on that because that's how we traditionally run our business."

See: doctors for example. Sick people don't stop being ill on the weekends.

So you have to understand that the expectation of "I'm only working 8a to 5p" was created for a reason, and it's a relatively recent invention, if you know anything about the history of labor movements.

But, leave it to entitled kids who are new to the workforce, to think a hard-won privilege of only working 45hr a week is actually a chafing social restriction that's too boring for them.

[–]russian-jewboi[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Chill out bro

[–]BetterCallSaulsa2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

You don’t have to love your job but tolerate it. I hate my job but I’m great at it and do more work than those above me. Do your job and own it in every aspect. You’re there for money and to do your job correctly and not anything else. If you’re unhappy it could be the type of work you’re doing. Are you sitting down all day in front of a monitor? Are you moving around more than not? My job has me running from place to place daily so I don’t usually feel any crash until I get home and then i just go to sleep in 2 hours. What might be working for me is that i bust ass at the gym before work anywhere from 1-2 hours and it wakes me up and energizes me for the day. Ditch the energy drinks, soda, and coffee if that’s what you’re drinking that shit is terrible for you. Stay hydrated with water throughout the day. So many people forget water is necessary and we need it to keep bodily functions working so they feel fatigued if they don’t get enough. Most importantly if you work a high paying job be grateful you have one as thanks to the Chinese Government we have a 14% unemployment rate. You’re better off that a lot of people right now. Don’t forget that.

[–]RedPillD2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

You can always make more money, you can’t make more time. You’ve realized giving 5 days for a return of 2 days is a shitty deal.

Right now your income is tied to your time. That’s the way it is with every job. So what’s the solution?

Start a business.

I’m not saying to quit your job. You’ll need to fund your life and your new business somehow. Realize that if you are to break this cycle, you may have to work even harder until your business starts making some real money.

Unscripted by MJ DeMarco. Listen to this audiobook with every spare minute you have. It completely changed my trajectory in life, not too unlike when I first discovered TRP.

[–]russian-jewboi[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'll bookmark the audiobook. Thanks for the help man.

[–]oooKenshiooo2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Quite a lot of answers already.

Here is my take:

I never had a 8-9 job. I actually very rarely did a job for more than a year. I am 32 now. I have been:

  1. A wedding singer (5 years and going))
  2. A vocal coach (10 years and going))
  3. A music teacher (8 years)
  4. A tech journalist (3 years)
  5. A self defense teacher (2 years)
  6. A hypno- and regressiontherapist (1 year)
  7. A copy writer (3 years)
  8. A ghost writer (3 years)
  9. A burger cook (0.5 years)
  10. A delivery boy (0.5 years)
  11. A camp councellor (1 year)
  12. A cleaner (2 months)
  13. A business consultant (2 years and going)
  14. A music publisher (1 year and going)
  15. An audio engineer (3 years and going)

As you can see, there is substantial overlap - I am always working more than one job per week. At times it used to be a different job every day of the week.

Right now an app I am developing has been funded by an investor - so for the next 18 months I will be developing said app full time whilst being paid handsomely - and I get to cash royalties afterwards as well. What comes afterwards? Who knows.
I still retain a few side hussles though - some of them are easy money and it's always good to have a backup.

I don't care about having a career. I care about making money, not-being-bored and experiencing live.

So... what is my takeaway?

Rarely bored
Experiencing lots of interesting stuff
Experiencing many facets of live
Learning diverse skills and combining them in unique ways
Work is 90% fun.
If picked and combining smartly, jobs profit off eachother
Pretty much cryptonite for any woman looking for a stable guy

Lots of working hours, more than in an 8-5 job
Really, I am pretty much always working (not that big a deal, since I turned most of my hobbies into sources of income)
No security, health insurance can be hassle
complicated taxes
Bluepill HR people will take a look at your CV and think you are either a hobo or a criminal
Pretty much cryptonite for any woman looking for a stable guy

[–]russian-jewboi[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

This is the kind of answer I was looking for. I have a lot of experience with music/audio stuff so that's definitely an inspiration for me. Thanks for taking the time to write this out for me, I'll definitely be reading through it again in the future.

[–]oooKenshiooo2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Shoot me a DM if you need advice in the future

[–]DigitalDragonSlayer1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Yeah buddddy. I feel you on everything you advice I can give is to learn as much as you can about a niche—this involves spending time working for others. But work towards running your own business.

Especially in today’s culture there is nothing more I like than working for myself. Ain’t no one canceling me.

[–]russian-jewboi[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Lmao yes sir I'm definitely working on some side things, but I don't wanna be that guy who just constantly says he's working on a side hustle and then nothing comes of it.

[–]DigitalDragonSlayer0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Make goals, then you have something to work towards.

Use OKRs to help plan out what milestones you need to hit.

[–]russian-jewboi[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Gotcha. Thanks for the tip

[–]FrickOffAHS1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Make some friends at work. My last summer internship was a lot of fun just because I ate lunch with 10+ other interns and went out after work with them. Also when you get older, make sure you live within 30 minutes of your workplace, because time spent commuting can really add up

[–]russian-jewboi[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Haha we're all working remotely so that's not an option but thanks for the advice

[–]mr_Tobbor0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Ancient Greeks have spoken about doing your work in the community. If you don't do your job then you wouldn't get food. Put this aside. What is your problem? To have a new job?

[–]russian-jewboi[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Yeah I think I just don't like my job enough. However, I don't like the idea of doing working 8-5 every weekday for the next 40 years. I enjoy living a dynamic life. Am I being entitled? Perhaps. But I know there are plenty of people out there that share my opinion.

[–]mr_Tobbor2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

May be four days in near future.

[–]AuberyBitoni0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Find a job where you can work from home.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Lol 8-5. That’s if you’re very lucky. Find something that appeals to you that you can make money with. I’m tired in the evenings but I’d be a lot more tired if I wasn’t making a lot of money.

[–]russian-jewboi[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The pay at my job is pretty good, I just think it's matter of whether or not I'm getting fulfillment out of it.

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[–]russian-jewboi[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Currently in the works.

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[–]russian-jewboi[S] -1 points0 points  (6 children) | Copy

Haha no offense to the people who do those jobs but I think I can do better than that. I'm a damn good programmer and am about to graduate college with a 4.0 as a math major. Again, I appreciate the input and I definitely see what you're trying to say, so thank you :)

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[–]russian-jewboi[S] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

Nah man I 100% know what you mean, like I know that there was no way of saying what I said without coming off as a douche. I just mean to say that I agree with your sentiment and dropping my job to start a business is definitely in the plans

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[–]russian-jewboi[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Thank you man

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[–]russian-jewboi[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Damn that's kind of an astute observations, I'll have to do more research on that. Thanks man

[–]Dogeayy0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Sounds like you should read The Millionaire Fastlane

[–]russian-jewboi[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

The thing that I've noticed about these wealth self help books is that they're all extremely derivative of the basics (i.e. The Richest Man in Babylon). What does this book bring to the table?

[–]Dogeayy0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Basically the book shows you the equation to achieving wealth.

The equation of the slow lane is work Monday through Friday 9-5 for a set salary, an equation bound by time. No matter how much of a good worker you are by the time you invest penny pinch you wont achieve true financial freedom while you can enjoy it.

Whereas the fast lane is an equation where you aren’t bound by time and salary and dives into making money without being bound by times

It truly is a really solid read and has changed my perspective Towards money and jobs.

[–]russian-jewboi[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Sounds interesting. I'll listen to it during my morning runs.

[–]sir_shitfuck0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

I am working on my business which entails machine learning, stream processing, complex event processing (CEP) & quantitative finance. It's nearly done and once it's going it's going to pull big-time (ETA about 1-3 months).

I did this while working a shitty factory job on the side to save up enough to invest into it. Right now I am developing this full-time and loving it (12+ hours a day).

Never went to university. However have been programming since about 14 (so around 9-10 years experience).

Start your own projects on the side that you are passionate about even if there is going to be a steep learning curve, and just keep grinding until it's finished. Preferably projects that will pull enough cash to make you financially free.

Go monk mode for a couple of months to focus. Cut the social media for a while, preferably forever. Make it your purpose and you'll come out good, even if it fails you'll learn a shitload and be able to apply yourself for your next idea.

Get used to extreme focus and concentration. Take up a meditation practice, not new age but one where you drop away all conceptual thinking (Zen meditation). When you come across a gnarly problem your first instinct should be to take it head on, not escape and waste time on some other shit (i've been guilty of this many times).

Best of luck

[–]russian-jewboi[S] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

Machine learning plus quantitative finance? Either you're full of shit or you've found some crazy alpha that no one knows about. Go apply to Jane Street and your salary will be over a million guaranteed. Lmao while I'm giving you a hard time, thanks for the advice and best of luck in the future bro

[–]sir_shitfuck0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

The resources are all out there in the open if you're willing to do the work. If you're going to take this route you have to target markets with decent liquidity and have edges (i.e I don't target stocks, ETF's, forex any of that institutionalized shit run by HFTs). Obviously lame technical indicators such as RSI and MACD won't work so you need to look alot deeper. It's making money and I can scale up so as unbelievable as it sounds, it's possible.

Also I don't live in the USA so that's out of the question ;)

[–]russian-jewboi[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Ahh yeah makes sense that you're not in the USA. Lots of untapped financial markets outside America

[–]xxx69harambe69xxx0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

what is this, like micro loans in africa or something? Crypto? black market drug grand exchange lmao?

[–]sir_shitfuck0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yes, believe it or not there are other markets with high liquidity with many edges if you know where to look.

[–]Johnny_Monsanto0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Welcome to adulthood kid. Strap on its gonna be a wild ride.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Slack it my man.

[–]dark_rabbit0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Ah this is cute.

[–]OpenComparison0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Hey I'm 20 too! And hey I'm in comp sci too! I had the option of going into DS/ML/AI, but it wasn't for me (maybe I'll get into it later on in my career). I do plan on becoming a software engineer when I graduate though. Been grinding on leet code and building a personal portfolio (it currently has a hamburger menu and is responsive I am somewhat proud lol). I have the same dilemma as you I don't really want to be a corporate drone for so long, commuting back n forth, office politics, etc. Until I'm 30 I plan on budgeting, investing (IRA & index funds), and having an emergency fund with most of my money. During those 8-10 years I want to try building a business with shopify or getting into real estate. I don't know what it is about real estate, but I find myself just watching/reading so much about it. Anyways, since we're both 20 sometimes we just gotta take it slow, we can only do so much, who knows tomorrow you and I could both drop dead. It was cool seeing someone else my age thats kind of like me on this subreddit, take care and I wish you the best on your goals bro.

[–]russian-jewboi[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I fucking love and hate leetcode all at the same time. Currently doing a mock interview as we speak. I don't think I've stopped doing leetcode for the last two months lmao.

And you're right about everything else. Good luck bro, especially with SWE interviews (hopefully) coming up

[–]rockyp320 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Isk the thought of this hit scared me tbh. I’ve been my nkt to not have to work much. But im 20 and I need to dive into something. I had shit happen in my childhood I lost my dad and mom and got a awesome foster family but they wanted to hide me from the world. My foster mom just wanted me to not be sad and feel good so let me do whatever and now it’s biting me in the fucking ass hard. I wish I had fucking a harder childhood. I had the shitty moments without the fucking grind to make a come back moments. So I would get shit on and just sit in the shit so I never built confidence. But fuck man 9-5 sounds terrible

[–]ValorElite0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You have much to learn, young one.

[–]FKNay0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Affiliate marketing / e-commerce

[–]woke_wizard0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

It’s over saturated. Especially if you’re trying to start a Shopify store with products from China.

[–]FKNay-4 points-3 points  (1 child) | Copy

No it is not. We are generating 2m rev a month off one store.

[–]woke_wizard1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

When did you start the store? What kind of product? Drop shipping? Is your supplier in the the country most of your market is in?

[–]Sergelano-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Check forex trading man, it may take months to fully learn it.

But once you know what you’re doing you can make thousands a month from your home.

[–]Massap24-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy

I feel like this is why modern America is depressed and anxious. There's no way waking up every day at 7 just to go to a pseudo-tolerable job that pays your bills is worth the little free time and mediocre financial freedom it gives you. I'm only 20 years old, and so I want to set myself up now so that by the time I hit 30, I don't have to do this anymore.

I don’t know what you’re talking but plenty of people are perfectly fine with a 9-5, I’ve known plenty of people that could’ve retired early but kept working on different businesses. A lot of them worked more than your average joe, the reality is you aren’t satisfied with what your doing. For now I think you should try to work towards the highest salary you can, then you’ll have extra money to start investing into things that interest you. At least that’s how I played it I’m just now dipping into some real estate and looking into fashion retail because I’m really interested in that.

[–]russian-jewboi[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Yeah, that's the plan. In regards to your first point, that's not been my experience. Most of the people I know haven't really enjoyed the 9-5 but just say "fuck it that's life", and this attitude is what makes me think that it could have some correlation with depression/anxiety. To each their own.

[–]Massap240 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Fair enough, also some basic things make I’d recommend definitely start off with low risk, a good savings as a safety net and try to work with at least one person the knows what they’re doing. I’ve been working with a friend whose a real estate agent/investor and he basically kept things running very smoothly even during this fucked up pandemic, I’ve kind of just been taking notes lol.

[–]russian-jewboi[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Solid, thanks for the advice.

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