CMV: 'Game' Is Easy for Psychopaths and Sociopaths

diffdedbed · 2020-06-10T16:05:20+00:00

Most psychopaths aren't like movie pyschopaths, and they end up having pretty shitty lives. You can only lie and gaslight so long before people figure it out.

Barely-moral · 2020-06-10T16:21:11+00:00

You are making the assumption that all psychopaths/sociopaths are both intelligent and charming.

Those are not advantages that come with anti social personality disorder.

The only "advantage" that comes with the condition is the lack of conscience and care about morality as others understand it. That and the fact that putting yourself first and seeing others as objects is the default state of your brain.

It is a considerable advantage because it allows you to lie, cheat and steal without any care because there is no conscience slowing you down.

But it is also a disadvantage because if you are stupid (and sociopaths/psychopaths can be stupid) you end up lying, cheating and stealing in a way that ends up having severe consequences for you.

The only advantage that comes with the condition that affects charisma is that you don't really care about lying. But it comes with a severe disadvantage. Lack of empathy and care about others.

Unless you practice A LOT you will always be the odd one. Unless you learn to care in some way about others you will never connect with them and that is a social negative.

Unlike the average guy, the concept of disappointment doesn't exist in this man's head.

Disappointment exists and it quicly translates into frustration.

Source: I am a diagnosed sociopath with years of therapy that keep me functional and mostly harmless.

BlackPorcelainDoll · 2020-06-10T16:57:06+00:00

Lol, just take a sales and marketing class. It's not even half hard to scam people.

DareyFathom · 2020-06-10T17:03:05+00:00

Read "The Wisom of Psychopaths" by Kevin Dutton. Very interesting topic.

HollowLegMonk · 2020-06-10T19:06:56+00:00

I read a study a while back about why women are attracted to “dark-triad” type personality constellations.

It said that ideally women are the most attracted to men who have a perfect balance of positive and darker traits. In the writings of C.G. Jung he refers to this as integrating your shadow, the idea that to be a complete man you can’t be too nice, or too mean, you need to be open to the darker aspects of your psyche just as much to the positive sides and use each in a accordance to the situation. If you need to be tough and stand up for yourself you do it without hesitation and if a person treats you well you can be kind to them. Basically in manosphere speak a “nice guy” and “bad boy” in perfect balance in one complete package. That’s what women are the most attracted too.

But it also said that many women if they can’t find a man in perfect balance will settle for a dark-triad who has narcissistic/psychopathic traits over a “nice guy” because at least the dark-triad is more exciting to date. It was a really interesting read it basically showed that the ideal is to be the best aspects of being a bad boy and being a nice guy but 100% bad boys (asshole players) usually win over the 100% nice guys because nice guys are too boring.

I just wish I learned these kinds of things in my teens I used to be all over the place because I was trying to learn from trial and error and it took me a while to figure things out, and I’m still learning all these years later. I was lucky though because I’ve always been a very altruistic person, so to my close family and friends I’m seen as a really nice guy, but because of my lifestyle and outward appearance for most of my life people who didn’t get to know me and just saw me from a far thought I was the typical “bad boy”. Back in middle school and high school I had a reputation as a bad boy and a guy who hooks up with a lot of girls. This made it easy for me to attract women to me because they thought I was edgy and mysterious, but if I dropped my guard and got into a LTR with them usually around the 1-3 month mark they would start to loose attraction to me because I was being too nice.

I remember so many times girls would say to me “I’m surprised that you’re actually a really good guy”. I would ask what they thought I was and they would say “I thought you were more of the asshole player type”. This always confused me because I had been raised blue pilled and was told being an asshole wasn’t attractive to women. In fact I often would ask them “if you thought I was an asshole player why would you want to date me?” They would say that they just found me really attractive (not looks but personality/self image) so they wanted to hook up and/or date me. It took me a long time to accept that those negative traits were attractive to women. I started to learn about integrating my shadow at a young age (late teens early 20’s) and when I started to have a good balance between the positive and negative aspects of my psyche I started to do even better with women. It’s always been my main technique and the best part is that it comes natural and isn’t a fake it till you make it thing because everyone has a dark aspect to their psyche, most just have either too little or too much of it integrated and once you learn this you can simply let more of the positive or negative naturally come out to balance things out.

Mimoxs · 2020-06-10T17:00:32+00:00

Everyone who thinks that women love socio/psychopaths or that they have it easy has never actually met one lmaooooo

They are nothing like what most of y'all think they are, and they're not all the same!. The ones who have charm and charisma are RARE. The rest are the most emotional, nasty, inept people you'll ever meet.

Yes many put on an act, but the thing is very few do it well enough to last. Most of them the act falls apart very easily, or they can't keep it up. The ones who manage to fool everyone all the time are exceedingly rare.

petechamp · 2020-06-10T17:06:51+00:00

Or for anyone with acting ability, or a rules based view of the world, and most of all those with a high degree of submission to authority on personal matters.

Physiologist21 · 2020-06-10T18:30:20+00:00

"Game" is just a way of saying social skills my dude. You don't need to be manipulative or anything and lets be honest womens default mode is manipulate. Men are not the covert gender.

TheBookOfSeil · 2020-06-10T18:17:34+00:00

"Game" is manipulation. Psychopaths and sociopaths are highly manipulative people. If anything, they wrote the book on it. Other guys have to learn it because they aren't inherently manipulative, and probably because their ancestors didn't have to be. These types of personality traits are heritable, so it wasn't their game that got their ancestors laid. Unfortunately, thanks to modern dating culture, people have to be manipulative if they want greater success. Manipulation comes across as attractive to women because it plays on their drive for attraction in a pretty direct way. Most women are fluent in manipulation, so manipulating them is like speaking to someone in their own language. On a primal level, it shows that you have the psychological ability to get what you want and/or get people to give it to you, which is asserting a position over them. Manipulation is the psychological equivalent of physical strength, and that's why it works so well in attracting others. People fear strength but willingly comply to manipulation.

Anyway, I don't necessarily disagree with you but you're putting the cart before the horse in your post title. Psychopaths and sociopaths are "game" personified.

2020-06-10T17:05:43+00:00

Depends.

If Game is something, you switch on at weekends or nights. Then sure.

If you become the change, then no.

crookedsummer2019 · 2020-06-10T18:00:15+00:00

American Psycho is a good example of a man who was able to charm women and get what he wanted from them, but was empty inside and struggled because of it.

Psychopaths lack the capacity for the range of human feeling and their interactions with people, while self serving, are often devoid of anything real and they often have anxiety because of that. It’s not just with woman they lack this, it’s with anyone, including their own children.

Game is easier for them in the sense that they have no Issues tricking women to get in her pants, regardless of the outcome for her up to and including significant emotional or even physical damage.

Most men don’t aim for a lack human emotions nor a connection towards others, so I’m not sure that the game of a psychopath is something that most men would be able to master unless they actually are psychopaths.

It’s not that they choose not to feel anything for others, they literally don’t have the ability to feel anything for others. That’s why it’s a mental illness.

Cobra_x30 · 2020-06-10T18:50:10+00:00

This is wrong. Game works best for men who can empathize with women, who have high emotional IQs, but who can switch that empathy off to get what they want.

Here is the thing, you take a woman who is has hurt lots of guys, then you game her and occasionally hurt her feelings in the process. That makes us bad guys, and we learn to live with it, but we never forget that we are playing with bad women who would hurt us with only the smallest twinge of guilt, because the female capacity for rationalization is so strong.

Bottom line is that you MUST be able to read people in order to be successful.

wtknight · 2020-06-10T17:01:25+00:00

It’s no easier because, if a man stops caring, he loses motivation to continue the game. Psychopaths do “care,” they just care about things that deviate from the norm.

Any guy who genuinely cares about women in a normal way can do just as well at game as a psychopathic person who doesn’t care about the woman at all and cares just about his own pleasure. All it takes is for a guy not to develop one-itis, find a woman who is into what he has to offer, and for him to not dwell upon his past failures and to learn from his experiences. There’s no need for a man to become a psychopath to become good at game. In fact, the most successful “Chads” are probably the ones that actually like women because they will appear genuine even to observant women.

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Maximedius · 2020-06-10T18:20:26+00:00

The psychopath or sociopath thinks differently. Everything is superficial. He isn't genuinely charming because he's dancing for her. He's putting on an act. And it's always easier to put on superficial charm because he's in control. He knows exactly what will work and won't work, and so instead of trying hard to dance for her, he's just faking a cadre of emotions in order to stimulate a response.

Am psychopath, can confirm.

Zippo-Cat · 2020-06-10T18:31:57+00:00

Psychopaths have great "game" because they just don't care. The whole list of TRP tricks that normal men need to learn and actively focus on doing is completely natural to psychopaths. That's why women love them.

Sudden-Double · 2020-06-10T18:38:58+00:00

i agree with this. story time... there was a guy i met while hiking. he is an EMT and ex-army, i wouldn't call him a Chad he was 5'7 and 180lbs. Also I am 25 and he is 38 with a kid. but anyway he told me he was into BDSM and the whole dominance thing. I told him i would be okay with trying it. so he came over to my apartment and we had sex BDSM style. it was okay a little scary since he wanted to hurt me at times but i told him my boundaries. afterward he tells me he "owns" me and now we are exclusively fucking each other.. anyway for the next 4 weeks this dude is everyday asking me for nudes. things like "take a photo showing me your asshole, then pee on yourself, then wear you're wet panties for me." um.. no comment and no i never sent anything because thats some weird requests. anytime he would send me these weird ass requests i told him... let's just hangout in person? Always an excuse on why he couldn't hangout... 2 weeks ago he got in a Facebook fight with one of his FB friends and thats when the dirty laundry was aired. So many girls commenting about how this guy is a psychopathy. makes unwanted advances on ladies. shares nude photos with other people . it was so bad that he actually had to delete his Facebook because now his true self was shown. Crazy man. I am not sure what his "game" is. This is the first time i've met someone more into nudes then having real life sex... really strange

Ascimator · 2020-06-10T19:03:05+00:00

That's like saying "people with dyscalculia have an easier time at maths because they just don't care about the numbers".

That's not how it works. People who are good at scams are people who don't have any moral qualms about scamming and know how to scam. A "natural" asshole is not necessarily a sociopath. A sociopath doesn't necessarily "know exactly what to say". For that, you need either intuitive understanding of social norms, or a lot of experience and/or smarts. A sociopath is that guy on a job interview who looks and sounds pretty normal, until he outs his total lack of understanding of basic social and professional norms by casually asking some kind of totally moronic question. It doesn't get him any results other than not getting hired.

SilentLurker666 · 2020-06-10T19:06:53+00:00

This is the classic example of causation fallacy. Basically one assume that because 1 out of 5 CEO are sociopaths, that being a sociopaths is a advantage when you want to be a CEO, when in reality there are probably as man Psychopaths and Sociopaths who failed in their careers, just as there are Psychopaths and Sociopaths that fails at "game".

The biggest disadvantage for Psychopaths and Sociopaths when it comes to "game" is their lack of empathy, as they can't tell a girl's feeling. This is determinatal because they don't know if their "game" is working or not and to assess how to proceed onward.

DubsPackage · 2020-06-10T20:43:28+00:00

"Not caring at all" is not good game, you have to care otherwise you have no motivation to seek out the interaction.

You can care about the girl, but you can't care about the outcome, in other words you have to be willing to let people (women) go in order to be able to attract them in the first place.

Ex : You like a house, it's a great house, but it's 50k over your budget, if you REALLY want that house, you have to be willing to walk away from the deal.

By contrast, good game is about being /very/ authentic but in a curated and attractive way.

/Some/ dark triad is helpful but you want to balance it with the good side, as someone else mentioned you want to incorporate the shadow into you, not to take over, but to augment and add-on to your nice-guy nature to achieve better balance.

I think firstly women are attracted to "balanced" guys, those who are nice as circumstances allow but can be ruthless as the situation requires.

Secondly, women are attracted to "bad boys" aka assholes, because at least they are more fun than the nice guy.

Nice guys, of course, finish last mostly because they are boring and there's no complexity to the flavor, but the most important reason why nice guys finish last is because they get too clingy and do not recognize that women also have their own agenda, that you are replaceable and that she is also replaceable, at least initially everybody is replaceable and that deep understanding of each other and great chemistry take YEARS to develop. You don't just cling to someone and say, "We gonna be besties for ever and ever." You don't know if that will be the case, and you are not prepared for the idea that both the woman has her own imperative, her own agenda, and that YOU should have your own imperative and agenda likewise.

Jakes1967 · 2020-06-10T21:28:42+00:00

'Game' Is Easy for Psychopaths and Sociopaths

You don't need to be either to succeed, apathy is far more powerful. Get hurt enough and you become apathetic, not psycho.

You'll be surprised how effective a weapon apathy is. It totally confuses most women, when you're apathetic to them. The more powerful/beautiful she believes she is, the more she craves validation.

Remove her validation and she has neither control, nor power. Women crave control and power.

petrichordium · 2020-06-10T16:21:21+00:00

The vast majority of the “sociopaths” you are talking about are just normal ass dudes with a cold shell who don’t let ppl see them “bleed” emotionally or socially in public.

This post is a big projection / excuse acting as if there’s a binary gulf between ppl who dgaf and those normal decent humans who do.

Some of us just front loaded all our humiliation early in life and learned how to roll with the punches. (Fun story:first attempt at asking a girl out in sixth grade was done under duress to prove I wasn’t gay to bullies. (She was actually my crush and had been for years). She said yes for a bit and then “no”, all mediated through ppl fucking with me.) Whole school saw, was laughing stock. When that’s your early experience and you don’t get off the horse ever, nothing some drunk basic bar betch could ever say will hurt you. That isn’t sociopathy, just adult growth.

BROWN-TOILET-PAPER · 2020-06-10T19:41:50+00:00

The psychopaths I've known, true legit ones, their 'game' is picking up and manipulating women with low self esteem. Because they can't fool anyone else, and they turn off everyone else.

tickledpic · 2020-06-10T17:11:49+00:00

The advantage goes to this person because he can pick out the right targets and knows what to look for and exactly what to say to get what he wants.

The mistake you are making is that you think that is is what is needed.

The best responses I've gotten from women have always been when I just said what the fuck I wanted. When I was not thinking of how she will receive it, but instead thinking of what I want.

For example: If I want to fuck her in doggy style, then I let her know that those are my desires. I do it in sexual seductive voice, ofcourse, but I don't care that she might have a negative reaction to it. And that's exactly when I have removed the best reactions.

So, no. It's not psychopaths and sociopaths who have it easy. It's the men who display high degree of confidence, balls and sexuality.

I've had sex few minutes after the initial dirty talking. Psychopaths play the long, manipulative game.

Sid_Insidious · 2020-06-10T18:35:28+00:00

Let's start with a perfectly normal person - at a job interview:

Everybody goes to a job interview and puts their best foot forward. It's just what we do. It's not really an accurate representation of who we are, is it? We all have strengths and weaknesses and good and bad days. You don't say at a job interview: "Sometimes I get terribly unmotivated, fall behind, then use that pressure to haul ass. I work in bursts." No, you say you're a veritable steam roller - consistent and organized.

Now let's talk about the ones you want to avoid.

There are three types of men women frequently encounter:

Narcissistic. These guys put on a show. They know how to put on a good act so people will like them. They do not believe deep down that they are great, but have an elaborate ego-defense built up to maintain the image of their false self. These guys usually sweep women off their feet and bathe them in attention and praise. But, it's mostly an act - to seduce the woman. Affection doesn't happen organically, and usually this guy's life is a shell - with very little real substance. His game is not living a real/full life but going through life acting to get false validation by tricking people into admiring him. Most people these days are a bit narcissistic, a few are VERY narcissistic and a small percentage have the actual condition "Narcissistic Personality Disorder". Google for the differences.
Sociopaths are manipulators, and use people to their own ends. The DO have a conscience, but it's weaker than a normal person. They feel little empathy for others.
Psychopaths have no conscience. They feel NO empathy for others and will use people like objects to their own end. The extreme version of these are serial killers, who show up in court showing absolutely no remorse for what they've done.

Most people put their best foot forward when going on a date. They might plan fun activities, but not do these things as part of their normal routine. They are doing them to impress this new person. They may act more polite, or put more effort into their manners and their appearance. They may try to listen better than they normally would, and engage in more enthusiastic conversation. But, if this is not who they really are, things deteriorate quickly in the relationship. The person she initially liked and started having feelings for is not the person she is with now. If the person slowly throttles down the act, the other person might even wonder what the hell happened.

It's important to be genuine in order to foster genuine connections organically. For people with low self esteem, or a mental health condition, this might not feel like a viable option.

In the "Dark Triad" personality, narcissism, Machiavellianism), and psychopathy, it's unclear whether the final trait could alternatively be sociopathy. Very often sociopathy and psychopathy are used interchangeably, but they're not the same.

Aaren_Augustine · 2020-06-10T16:20:08+00:00

I always thought it was designed as "how to be fun" training wheels for boring guys. The idea that their dancing monkeys has victim mindset stamped all over it.

You want to give women what they want! Dancing monkey! You're not really like that? Well women want a crazy fucker that'll love 'em or cut them up into pieces! Damn women, why you no like boring dudes, this is all your fault!

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throwawaynormalcy · 2020-06-10T17:28:10+00:00

I got targeted by a female on tinder for a crypto scam and ducked it. It's not gender specific, the person's end goals vary differently by gender of course, but both genders will be out for the almighty dollar from anyone if desperate enough.

TechnicalMight0 · 2020-06-10T18:51:42+00:00

Yeah, not much to disagree with here, and the same goes for all parts of life, such as the workplace.

Sniffing out psychos is a useful lifeskill and it can be learned.

jackandjill22 · 2020-06-10T21:37:46+00:00

siberiansummer · 2020-06-10T21:39:13+00:00

I’m sorry but why would you go on Craigslist to find a man 😱

sanrio-sugarplum · 2020-06-11T00:47:53+00:00

Well viewing relationships as a game is pretty sociopathic behavior, so I'm not surprised.

ontherailstoday · 2020-06-11T09:53:17+00:00

They end up lonely old men if they don't manage to die before the intellectual agility that allows for maintaining a facade abandons them.

Jou-Joestar · 2020-06-11T13:08:15+00:00

This post reeks of pseudo-psychology and strawman.

basedandredpilledboy · 2020-06-11T13:43:57+00:00

based psychopath. I want to become one, how to?

wtknight · 2020-06-11T17:00:46+00:00

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phalanxbg · 2020-06-12T02:00:47+00:00

The guys who are not rich and who have had the most success with women are almost all of the times just creating a facade without substance. When most of the humans aren't that intellectually capable, they do not strive for substance and, as it is with men, the majority of women do not strive for substance and/or cannot recognize it. Whether you call that facade 'frame' or whatever, Id say that this is an indicator that could point to what your are saying.

Jimmy-Turnchapel · 2020-06-13T01:32:40+00:00

I was a nice guy and a great actor :-)

GreenSatyr · 2020-06-13T14:12:51+00:00

You think people w/ aspd aren't disappointed when they're turned down? They are. They might hurt the person who turned them down to get what they want.

Psychopaths still are insecure and have self esteem issues just like everyone else. If anything the self esteem issues can be worse. The difference is that they don't feel the pain of other people, not that they don't feel pain in general. If you want to understand how a psychopath thinks just read trp, half the people there are on the sociopath/narcissist spectrum and that's why they advocate amorality. Aspd is not a cool mysterious thing it's a cognitive problem.

reluctantly_red · 2020-06-10T16:45:46+00:00

Lying to and trying to trick women is just way too much work. Game isn't about that. It's about walking away if she's not interested or is playing games. Ordinal guys can walk away almost as easily as sociopaths.

Title	CMV: 'Game' Is Easy for Psychopaths and Sociopaths
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