I think I'm beginning to get sucked into the red pill mindset. Any Thoughts/advice?

zouss · 2020-06-22T22:29:55+00:00

Most people are irrational. Man or woman. Red pill chooses to focus on female flaws, of which there are plenty, while discounting the fact that men are equally stupid.

Spending your life stewing in bitterness about women will not bring you happiness. Look for the good ones and accept that there are many bad apples in both genders

Stargazer1919 · 2020-06-22T22:48:02+00:00

(I'm copying and pasting some of my opinion that I posted in other comments.)

Here's my issue with redpill. First, there's the fact that it's incredibly misogynistic and these guys act as if they know women better than the women know themselves.

I'm pretty sure a lot of redpill types don't believe in the human connection at all. That there's no benefit to just socializing and spending time with people and having common interests. Maybe they haven't experienced it themselves, so it must not be real?

This is what it seems like to me. They don't talk about things such as an emotional connection or common interests with others, it's all about wealth and power and sex. There's so much more to life outside of what they fixate on. They don't understand that, and they don't know what they are missing out on. It's a shame and it's really sad.

If they understood the value to life outside of money/power/sex, then maybe they would see the depth to human relationships and the complexity of people. And it would chip away at their misogyny.

People hate what they don't understand. People fear what they don't understand. And they insult and belittle others for being involved in the things they don't understand. Whether it be hobbies, lifestyles, ideologies, whatever.

Then these guys alienate themselves even more when they get involved in redpill and incel type groups. Because those groups have some cult-like characteristics. And apparently this whole ideology was started by some guy who basically wanted to create his own cult, and wrote a bunch of books about how he failed to woo women. Despite supposedly being all-knowing about women and gender roles and how to pick up chicks. Then he ditched the movement and became a religious nutjob.

Obviously there are differences between women and men, and how everyone approaches dating. But finding studies on people and interpreting them in a way to fit a misogynistic mindset is not the way to learn how to socialize. If you want honest, meaningful relationships with people, go talk to people in person. How do you expect to meet anyone by hiding behind your computer screen and not socializing? How do you expect to find a decent girl to date if you look at her like a 2nd class citizen? How do you expect to improve yourself when you are busy blaming your problems on the opposite sex?

But if you only care about sex, status, power, and money... if you are insecure and need to blame others for your issues... if you can't comprehend the fact that other people are also human beings and are complex with their own thoughts/ideas... if you don't care about ever making meaningful relationships with people... then redpill is for you.

Thank you for reading my rant today.

Carloverguy20 · 2020-06-22T23:48:21+00:00

The Red Pill is based on bs lies. All they talk about is "Hypergamy" "Women love Chad and Tyrone" "Don't date single mothers", "Feminism is bad", they call other men "Beta Cuck, simp, soyboys". Redpill is nothing more than a mere cope that attracts men in their teens and early 20s

brahmidia · 2020-06-22T22:43:09+00:00

One problem with seemingly objective scientific evidence about gender and sexuality and race is that first of all it's almost always white European male scientists doing the research -- sometimes with a certain personal or professional bias -- and second of all it's almost always one or two studies that sexists/racists are pointing to. Science doesn't work like that, it's incredibly easy to set up a study to confirm your biases, good science is done when other skeptical people try to reproduce your work and come up with the same result despite their desire to the contrary. A good scientist is looking to disprove their ideas, not validate them. (Reality is whatever's left over when you stop believing in it.)

A big chunk of "this demographic is like this and that makes them better/worse" data is more explainable by sociology and history (that is, culture and how people are raised or what they're exposed to) than genetics. If you make a generalization about women or men, you'd better be able to show that it holds across many diverse cultures and that the disparity is more significant than the overlap. (Butch women and femme men exist, computers are considered women's work in many times/places, men used to wear high heels, etc)

negative_energie · 2020-06-23T00:59:32+00:00

The article that drew me in was about women's solipsistic mindset and I have seen real life examples of what he's talking about, women talking about their own experiences instead of using objective data.

how the hell did you not catch the complete hypocrisy in your own statement?

SAHDJoe · 2020-06-22T23:55:20+00:00

He said women are more Solipsistic, and I knew he was right because of my personal experiences?

absolutebeginners · 2020-06-23T04:23:07+00:00

Just realize 99.9% of humanity has never heard of this dumbshit stuff and it works out fine for most of them. The losers that resort to trp suck at getting laid, hence the interest in it. Why would you take advice form a ideology for pathetic men?

forefatherrabbi · 2020-06-22T23:13:54+00:00

My thoughts, not scientific.

Humans are all pretty much the same. Society puts some pressure on us to go this way or that way, but it is all our choices to go where we want to go.

No 2 people are going to be the same. You have to learn each person. Sure there are assumptions you can make about people, like someone who likes star wars may also be into Dr. Who or someone who likes hockey may also be into football. But don't be surprised or hurt if these assumptions are wrong. Point being is that assuming things based off or people's likes and dislikes is at least based on that persons actual personality.

At the end of things, if you are looking for long term relationships, friends or romantic, you need to learn the individual. Whether they be male or female, it really doesn't matter. Red Pill ideas are not really a sustainable way to live. It's like caffeine when you really need a good night's sleep. Sure it could pay off some dividends in the beginning, but it is not going to get someone to like the real you. You are going to be stuck in an act, always having to be playing a part. Always trying to remember the rules and being some thing that others told you to be. It is exhausting to always have your guard up.

My recommendation is to lay a good foundation. You have passions for stuff. Embrace them, find others who do too. Growing a social group is the best way to meet people. Hobbies and activities are great "structured" interaction with people. Small talk sucks, but when you already know a shared interest, it really opens things up and makes conversations easier cause you always have a fallback topic if conversation goes stale.

End of the day, you want to find someone that is like you, but not your clone. If you don't want people playing games with you, odds are if you meet someone who likes the games played on them, it is going to be good for a little, but it is gonna be empty.

Wish you luck man. Love and respect outwards helps get that in return.

Fuzzy-Scene · 2020-06-23T10:14:38+00:00

I get a sense that you are looking for answers and looking to belong somewhere. This is usually how redpillers get sucked in. Most are looking for people to agree with their own perception rather than looking for a more objective viewpoint.

The fact you feel so uneasy of a number of things about this cult is telling you (intuition) that all is not well with the ideology. I could say anything about the opposite sex and I will find evidence to support that. That doesn't mean AMALT or AWALT. It's just a small example and I should remain open-minded that others choose to behave differently. You should take each person on their individual merit and allow people to do as they please.

Trying to second judge people, or just being incredibly judgemental of them is a form of control, which is not healthy. Life will become much harder when you start to look down on people, it will affect friendships, families, colleagues as well as any romantic liaison you have now or in the future. So imagine how awful it would be if people were immediately judgemental of you and started treating you as a lesser person because of some judgements they made about you which are incorrect.

Remember that a lot of red pill posters are part of the dark triad... Narcissistic, psychopathic and Machiavellian. It stands to reason that what they write will have an element of truth in it (which you draw on for evidence to ascertain if there is truth in what is said), that's doesn't mean it's 100% the truth and nothing else exists beyond that*. This is all part of indoctrination and brainwashing techniques. Look at ISIS and how they indoctrinate. They exploit young minds looking for a place in the world, looking for answers, looking to belong.

You become what you feed your mind. If you watch death and destruction all day long 7 days a week, you'll end up thinking the world is like that, but if you don't look around you and observe other things to find evidence of things beyond that then the world will become bleak. So, listen to people here they have good advice, look at people around you, take an interest in them, ask them questions, start finding out there are other things that exist besides what red pill is peddling.

Edit:* I forgot to say... Due to them being Machiavellian it stands to reason that the way they write is designed to mentally manipulate you. If you only look for evidence from the point of view "well I know an example of that" instead of looking for "well I also know the converse is true" then that's how they will hook you in. They know if they keep repeating "X, Y and Z are the truth" and you're not employing critical thought to extrapolate the opposite then they will convince you of their own truth. You're young so you will need to ask women themselves if what is said is the absolute truth because you won't have the experience to know anything other than what you've personally experienced.

brahmidia · 2020-06-23T08:33:58+00:00

Does this guy provide empirical evidence to support his hypothesis that women are more anecdotal?

If not, that's anecdotal evidence...

Inareskai · 2020-06-23T09:20:44+00:00

The thing with claiming that someone else has a solipsistic world view is that it's fairly irrational to insist that someone else believes something, especially when they say they don't. It's like an extreme version of putting words in someone else's mouth - instead you're putting a whole world view in someone else's head, and ignoring them when they say they don't feel like that. It's irrational and rude.

Personally I actively know I don't hold a solipsistic world view because I actively reject a lot of Descartes work and tend to lean towards realism (that is, believing that other people and things do genuinely exist). At the very least I'm a pragmatic realist - even if no one else actually exists and is a figment of my mind, it still matters how I interact with them especially as they can appear to be negatively influenced by my actions. This is an actively ant-solipsistic view because despite the philosophical possibility that no one else exists, I still wouldn't put my desires immediately above others, especially where harm could be caused.

Similarly, if this were true one would expect that women were generally not in caring professions or involved in charity work - why would they be? The argument from TRP suggests solipsism in relationships, but it's a whole world view so one would expect (rationally speaking) that women would show solipsistic tendencies in everything they do. But they don't. In fact most roles which involve actively caring for others (often underpaid as well, so not much financial benefit) are taken by women - nursery, early years teaching, nursing and social care to name but a few. I would add that I think this is mostly a socialisation thing - I'm confident men can be excellent in caring roles, but there is stigma around men for choosing to take those more caring positions (this, btw, is 'toxic masculinity' the form of social pressure that stops men feeling like they can be caring).

Using personal anecdotes is not particularly a 'sign' of solipsism. It's a sign of flawed argumentation, if they are making arguments based solely on a couple of personal experiences - but I highly doubt that's a gendered thing! Many people have pointed out that you use the same 'evidence from anecdote' thinking in your post, and many TRP arguments come from 'well I've never met a nice women' - ok, well amazingly you've probably only met a tiny percentage of the women out there, so not much data to go on!

There are ways to turn anecdote into valuable scientific data, but they usually involve sample sizes in the thousands, if not more. So unless the author of the rational male has conducted numerous studies with thousands of woman and found that they all display strong solipsistic tendencies (which I would doubt, given the genuine evidence of them working in caring roles), his argument doesn't hold much weight.

Tl:dr - It is irrational and frankly a bit rude to claim that other people are solipsistic, especially when they claim otherwise. Furthermore, the actions one would expect from someone who is solipsistic do not appear to be common in the general female population.

theprivateselect · 2020-06-23T05:50:14+00:00

I recommend reading Models by Mark Manson. It was the book that explained everything that the rational male says except 100x better and without the misogyny. Not gonna lie, if I had to point at one book that turned my life around it would be Models.

HaveNoIdeaWhatToPick · 2020-06-23T16:13:47+00:00

" I have seen real life examples of what he's talking about, women talking about their own experiences instead of using objective data " It's kind of ironic that you claimed women most of the time just use their own experiences while in the exact same sentence using... Your own experience. We see what we want to see most of the time ;) Our brain is good at cherry-picking.

MisterLionheart · 2020-06-23T06:23:39+00:00

Ex TRP here, married, polyamorous, 33m. Pretty standard demographic target, other than a total disbelief in monogamy for me. Got pulled in by the sidebar reading on TRP, particularly the misandry bubble and some divorce statistics.

The truth is, both men and women have a ton of systemic privilege, and even biological privilege. It's hard for a society to treat people equally when biology does not. (See: eggs precious, sperm cheap, men tend towards more mutations, more outliers, etc). However, it's still a worthy goal to achieve systemic equality, because physical feats notwithstanding, men and women can do just about everything more or less equally well. Even if the biological sexes or genders tend towards certain things, every single human is an individual and should be treated as such.

Right now in North America, the system is definitely biased towards women in terms of marital settlements. And unless a robot runs the world, that'll likely be present because we are hardwired to protect women (see: Titanic, women and children first). Same reasons most workplace deaths are men. These are realities of the world we live in, not something to hate any group for. As a man you're far more likely to be respected by your superiors, far less likely to experience sexual harassment, more likely to be a CEO, etc.

TRP also really espouses hatred for feminists. The hateful radfem voice has lost its steam. Most feminists are fighting for worthy causes these days, if they even put in effort beyond calling themselves a feminist.

At the end of the day, TRP teaches a way to become cruel, manipulative, and sexually successful. If you follow their script, you'll never be able to bond with a woman comfortably, you'll have less respect for people around you, and probably be less happy overall.

If you want success in the sexual market, follow the TRP actions without the script. Get a jacked body, either get great photos and tinder, or join social clubs. Ask for numbers, flirt, and be honest about what you're looking for and what your boundaries are. Plenty of women are willing to engage in ongoing sex without forming a relationship, and you don't need to trick them into it.

If you had the upbringing I did (invisible male; lost my virginity at 23), it might be hard to believe. TRP promises a specific life path that requires you to lose respect for half the human race, and enter into an incredibly selfish approach to life.

I left when the signal (useful actions I can apply to life) to noise (disrespect for others, stories about manipulation, bitching, questions about how to handle one off specific situations) ratio got fucked as it grew. It's a real cesspool now.

Anyway, if you have any questions, feel free to reach out. There is honestly a lot of applicable knowledge available from the TRP world that doesn't require identifying with them.

Lil-Miss-Anthropy · 2020-06-23T07:18:44+00:00

Your acquaintance has presented you with arguments you cannot seem to refute. Perhaps you might engage with other creative minds who can think of refutations to those arguments in your behalf, which means you're doing the right thing posting here. And then you might consider whether you can refute those refutations. What is really the most irrefutable here?

Further, is being rational the most important thing here? To present an extreme example, if I were to present you with an incredibly sound argument that justified slavery or murder, would I truly be justified, or is there an ethical line somewhere? I am reminded of a man I dated who legitimately made sweatshops and child neglect sound ethically justified. If you are not careful to ground your beliefs in feelings, common sense, and real humanity, that is the sort of thing that may occur.

Facts only get you so far - how will you use and express those facts within your life? There are significant differences between men and women, but how does that affect your beliefs? Does that make one inferior to the other? Or can you simply appreciate this fact and use it to live harmoniously?

Harmful ideologies can appear so rational, so logical, so sexy. You are right to think critically about it.

HateKnuckle · 2020-06-23T16:54:43+00:00

If you talk to enough guys, you'll see that they too are quite irrational. Sure, men may tend to use facts and/or logic more but that's not entirely the whole picture. There are a lot of people who don't fit stereotypes.

For instance, I have two brothers and a father who think with their hearts and less with their heads. I know only 2 other "facts and logic" people of all the people I interact with regularly.

dumsaint · 2020-06-23T22:55:40+00:00

Everyone who has ever ingested dihydrogen monoxide has died. Yet, even knowing a full 100 percent of people who ingest this liquid will die people still do and willingly. Why?

The above warning is meant to illustrate a simple truth: any truth can be altered to fit any narrative. You may know, but dihydrogen monoxide is water. I technically told the truth. But in the telling of it, as I did, I misrepresented its lethality and actually linked it to the deaths of billions, as opposed to the natural inclination of bodily entropy and eventual death.

Now my first suggestion would be: read more. Sure, read red pill if you want but read dissenting opinions as well and weigh each argument and counterargument with a mind that recognizes its own probable bias, with a knowing that implicit biases are also prevalent. And moreover, read better material. Usually, the more educated one is, with academic training and bearing, the more likely their material could have information that's less bias. Not to say bias doesn't exist in academia, but outliers exist in any field and academics are trained to exercise caution when doing research. It doesn't always work out of course, but some random individual on social media should be given less away; particularly if their views may be aligned with yours. Confirmation bias is a sickness that bleeds intellectual curiosity out the ears.

I'd also suggest some form of meditation. A deeper recognition of one's psychological needs will help address why certain information may seem worthy of attention while others might not. This is closely linked to exorcising biases, but also to a general exercise of opportunity to create a mindset of observation and calm repose so that emotionality and outbursts of frustration don't become the norm from which important decisions are made. Moreover, from my own experiencing and therefore bias, I'd place my meditative practice as one of the healthiest and practical acts I've endured. It's undeniably, to me at least, a remarkable entry to my life for its multiple benefits to my rational and emotional sides.

Now, if this so called rational male were truly rational his articles would be source and data driven to provide ample and clear information to buttress his hypothesis. I'm thinking it's not. From what I've read on red pill, as it relates to "female nature," it's a wonderment of pain and rejection looking for an explanation for their pain and rejection.

It would also be very easy for any woman to create the same article about men, and in particular about men who are players or abusive or whatnot and have red-pilled women speak to their experiences. Would they be right? Sure, maybe. But anecdotal evidence doesn't and will never apply to the larger population. In either case, their points could be true for a small percentage of people, and for all you know your material conditions are not conducive to interactions with these people, or if they are then it's not conducive to the greater interactions of most people, setting aside the possibility all red pill literature is just pure fiction.

Now, statistics are used and abused by the disingenuous to great effect. Nazis and racists do this with many criminology reports. But because their bias stems from a delusional but real suffering (I think hatred is a form of mental illness) they point towards these statistics that seemingly work in their favored bias when they in actual fact do not. Example: the 13/50 racist meme.

So, if a redpiller is willing to entertain the "race realism" argument then their entire concept of red pill is already predicated upon their concept of the blue pill. They believe in a lie and untruth propagated by racist scientists with dubious methodologies and evidence literally changed after the fact to align with their bias.

So, if a supposed redpiller is able to accept or discuss race IQ as an actual red pill element of society then it goes to show how any other point in their philosophy may be at best asinine and pure drivel, or a way to explain their pain and justify their thinking, and at worst another piece of "evidence" to cement their archaic thinking of gender, sex and relational opportunities in the 21st century, and at even worser worst it could be used to breathe calmly into their fog of misogyny and supremacy.

Now, if anything the red pill, incel and MGTOW groups may have some actual material issues that need to be addressed at a societal level but that involves a lot more systemic changes. And if my anecdotal evidence could be placed front and centre here, from what I've seen and read their concept of change is to go back to some male-dominant system like it was in the 50s or at least have women know their place in a relationship.

In the end, all of that was to provide a rational bed for red pill material to be comfortable on without tucking them in at night in some comfortable oblivion. In The Matrix it was all about the truth and lifting the veil of illusion pulled over our eyes. So, if there is a red pill do you think its truth is about the selfishness of women in the world being total, or about allowing bias and conditional aspects of our lives swaying our sight lines away from actual truth.

So, I think a healthy self-contemplative action is warranted here, and for anyone really, as well as reading more with critical thinking skills in the foregeound and natural bias and personal experience being laid on the wayside until you're comfortable in your own psyche to recognize inequities in your personal perspectives.

There are even some aspects of red pill that can be beneficial: working out, eating well... heck, they even think meditation is good. But this can show what I mean. I may want something and they may want something and maybe our starting position is the same, ie your general well being, but my end goal isn't to possibly poison your mind against half the population of the world. I think that's a good starting point on any journey: which path provides less suffering and more kindness and acceptance of truth devoid of as much bias as possible.

Be well my dude.

Edit: just realized how long it was. So TLDR: redpill will lead to a lot of issues if one's mind isn't bordered by rational internal discourse, recognition of internal bias, and action towards alleviating that bias through some self reflection or contemplation that has been shown to reduce psychological conditions that may negatively affect one's life.

Stargazer1919 · 2020-06-23T00:30:13+00:00

https://archive.vn/pkco4

thegrub_hub · 2020-06-24T01:30:56+00:00

Honestly, I’d recommend checking out some philosophy. Philosophize this! I believe has some good episodes, very accessible that address the hyper-rational mindset that the red pill mindset and other groups have. A rational argument doesn’t make for a correct or moral argument inherently. Most things can be rationalized with narrow views and limited data which the later is very often used I find in groups like red pill, but they are able to circumvent this by the is of good rhetoric and ‘logic’/‘rationality’ which is why I recommend philosophy. I have been skimming through philosophy on and off for a few years now and the concepts and methods of thinking really help me identify issues, potential flaws, holes in arguments, etc. and presented with new ideas and information but this is kinda long game advice I suppose haha.

Circuit_Strike · 2020-06-23T19:28:06+00:00

This is only focusing on one part of your post but people aren't rational in general. We have opinions that are largely determined by our chosen group memberships and base level intuitive pattern matching. Largely we make out minds up on a subject first then try to justify it. So when you're talking about men and women using facts and evidence vs. personal examples that's mostly just justification anyway. That's likely not what convinced them in the first place. Maybe more men are comfortable using facts and evidence to explain their opinions but just like anything they are skewed to support the ideas that the speaker wants to highlight. Maybe women in general are more comfortable using personal examples because they feel it's less confrontational. Women can be judged harshly for being confrontational. In my experience I see both men and women using both types do justification.

Read "the righteous mind" if you want to learn about how people make moral decisions.

justapopato · 2020-06-23T20:59:29+00:00

Just try to look at all sides and come up with your own conclusions through looking at who has more compelling logic and supporting evidence.

2020-06-24T06:55:54+00:00

You have a lot of huge comments here but I'm just gonna say this:

I read everything and talk to anyone and everyone and I take what I think is of value out of each group I meet.

There are things in The Red Pill that are beneficial for any man such as the mindset of working out, of being financially sound, of being honest (doesn't mean you have to be a dick), of taking care of your image and being attractive, of reading lots of books and improving yourself each passing day, of not dwelling on other's opinions, of having an objective in life, of understanding that working for yourself doesn't make you a bad person even if others are calling you selfish, of not being a Nice Guy and identifying traits of it in you (no one likes a nice guy), etc.

So what I've done is I've gone in there and I've taken out the positive and I leave the negatives and the obsessions for them. The obsession with women, for example, is frowned upon in that group by the ones who've been there for a long time as it wasn't the initial objective, but it happens because most men get into TRP due to very bad experiences with women in the first place.

It has turned into something else however and it's not in it's best shape now. But you can definitely take good things out of that sub if you're a man, you just need to be clear headed enough to detect bullshit, which is hard because you do learn some hard truths in there, but after a while you learn to separate the extremists from the things that make sense. Also, don't turn it into a full time thing. Learn some things and get the fuck out, after some time you can go back and read some stuff and you fuck off again, haha, that's the way to do it.

As an alternative to TRP, I recommend you listen to the comedian Patrice O'Neal in Youtube, he was the non official founder of this movement with Dante Nero as they started talking about the relationships of men and women while trying to help men out, but their way of thinking was different, I tell you again, TRP turned it into something else entirely. Patrice can help you out while making you laugh, and he is not extreme as the TRP sometimes is.

Tesrali · 2020-06-27T16:30:20+00:00

TRP is right about some things just like Christianity is right about some things.
Neither of them are built on empiricism though. They are built off of personal experience and emotion.

Good Christians and good TRP'ers both align themselves with empirical truths. I think its fine to read TRP stuff but you need to be wary of two things: 1. that there is actual data, not just logical argument. There's a saying in computing: garbage in, garbage out. If someone has false premises, then it doesn't matter if their argument is logical. 2. examine your own motivation. TRP is a lot about toxic self-pity. The good TRP stuff is all about self improvement.

This subreddit isn't perfect, but there are a lot of people here who decided to grab life by the horns and do it their way. <3 Rationality is a weaker form of truth than empiricism. And empiricism is incredibly hard to do. Hypergamy exists to a certain extent (our anscestors are 2/3s women and 1/3 men) but that doesn't mean that you're going to be in failure case. https://ethz.ch/content/dam/ethz/special-interest/mtec/chair-of-entrepreneurial-risks-dam/documents/Presentations/Cooperation_male_female_Boston28June11.pdf

EbullientEffusion · 2020-07-07T21:16:25+00:00

TRP is like Karl Marx. Trenchant analysis of what was and is, batshit crazy ideas on what to do about it. TRP isn't wrong about the issues that men face in the dating world, but their solutions to those problems are just awful.

zephenrage · 2020-06-23T06:57:17+00:00

So “the rational male” is just the name of his book. He doesn’t actually call himself that lol. He took the name from like a blog or something that some other guy had. (He got permission from the other guy. His name (a pseudonym) is Rollo Tomassi. His first book “The Rational Male” is often heralded as the the red pill bible.

Here’s the truth about the red pill. The truth about the red pill is that the red pill has truth in it. That’s why there are people in the red pill community. But the red pill community also has some bad actors, falsehoods and propaganda just like any other community united by knowledge of some sort. (Look at the “woke” community for example.)

You’re probably a smart enough guy. Take the truths you can from the red pill and keep an eye out for the grifters and the bad actors. Learn to discern. By the way, Rollo Tomassi’s YouTube Chanel is excellent. He’s a sharp guy.

Rollo also says that the Red Pill is and should remain only to be about intersexual dynamics. The red pill is amoral, apolitical and non religious. There’s a lot of people making the red pill about something it’s not. That’s a big contributing factor to the hate we get in the red pill community. Another reason is because sometimes people hate being told the truth when the truth is unflattering.

But in my opinion Rollo is a sharp, reasonable guy who has changed my life for the better. I think you’ll find that you agree with a lot of his schools of thought even if you don’t like a portion of the red pill community.

mr_Tobbor · 2020-06-23T18:09:41+00:00

In TRP there are are so many different opinions, like everyone has his own. So take only what you really like from there. Best thing I like here is the manly traits that boys need to have before become men. Too many emasculated boys in our days...

Title	I think I'm beginning to get sucked into the red pill mindset. Any Thoughts/advice?
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