Churchians vs Christians

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June 26, 2020

Personally, I don’t know many people besides the widows or men/women who have experienced many hardships even in my church that are actually Christian based on their character and actions and have an active prayer life.

It seems many men and women are engaging in relationships that are actually unequally yoked.

What are some differences between the Churchians and real Christians we could watch out for as red flags?

I’m a 25M

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Title Churchians vs Christians
Author agoodcrayon
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Date 26 June 2020 07:31 PM UTC (9 months ago)
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[–]Deep_Strength6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

What are some differences between the Churchians and real Christians we could watch out for as red flags?

Churchians know the Christianese language, but if you look at their lifestyle they're more similar to the world than a Christian (e.g. obedience to Jesus' commands).

Some examples:

  • Are they living like they're following Jesus?
  • Do they have a solid spiritual life? Bible reading, prayer, using gifts of the Spirit, want to love and serve others, etc.?
  • Do they have a Godly mission? Are they discipling or being discipled?
  • Do they actively seek to understand what the Bible says about certain topics rather than parroting others or culture... and then live it?
  • Are they getting more sanctified over time (e.g. take off the old and put on the new) or are they always the same and have the same pet sins?
  • How do they spend their time and money? Are they good stewards?
  • Are they actively trying to grow in the fruit of the Spirit (love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, humility, and self control)?

[–]UpTanks2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

I heard someone say this but I can't remember who:

"As a Christian you're either growing or backsliding."

Going on what Deep Strength said, the fruits of the spirit, service, mission etc only manifest in a growing Christian. It's a great question you can ask people too, "are you a growing Christian?" Or "do you feel that you are growing in your faith?".

[–]Continuous-Metanoia3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Sounds like 2 Peter:

"make every effort to supplement your faith with virtue, and virtue with knowledge, and knowledge with self-control, and self-control with steadfastness, and steadfastness with godliness, and godliness with brotherly affection, and brotherly affection with love. For if these qualities are yours and are increasing, they keep you from being ineffective or unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. For whoever lacks these qualities is so nearsighted that he is blind, having forgotten that he was cleansed from his former sins."

[–]UpTanks2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Nice, also from the passage in John 15:1-8.

2 He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes so that it will be even more fruitful. 3 You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you.

[–]Willow-girl0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Ya know, everyone is at different stages in his/her walk. People are convicted of different things at different times (and some not at all). YOu can't go wrong concentrating on your own sanctification. In fact, I'd say the No. 1 thing that makes people turn away from Christianity is witnessing hypocrisy or other bad behavior in the church. Because if you look, you will surely find it somewhere! So, keep your eyes on the prize, and don't worry too much about what other people are doing (unless, perhaps, it has a direct bearing on your situation).

[–]PRW630 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

that are actually Christian based on their character and actions and have an active prayer life.

Character and actions don't make someone a Christian. They can be indicators, but nothing more.

A Christian is someone who has been redeemed by the work of Christ through faith and indwelt by the Holy Spirit.

A non-Christian is someone who has not been.

A non-christian can walk the walk, talk the talk, and even actually believe themselves they are a Christian when they aren't. A real Christian can live and walk in a way that a legalist thinks they aren't "worthy",...yet they are the real Christian.

It seems many men and women are engaging in relationships that are actually unequally yoked.

If they aren't married, then they aren't yoked. Dating is not Yoking.

What are some differences between the Churchians and real Christians we could watch out for as red flags?

Instead of worrying about "red flags" spend your time learning theology, soteriology in particular (Doctrine of Salvation/Redemption), so that you actually know what real is and how "real" actually works. If you don't have a good grasp of Biblical Theology (both technically and practically) then you are just practicing Churchianity yourself and will be subject to be tossed any old which way some "speaker" leads you if he happens to be "dynamic" in his presentation.

[–]agoodcrayon[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I see what you’re saying but I don’t think you have to be a theologian to be a Christian. Many theologians tend to have a “superiority complex” compared to the average Christian. I think the most important is not to get tied up in the technicalities and denominations but just have a relationship with the holy trinity who will provide all the wisdom you need throughout your life - insight, guidance, discernment, knowledge, etc.

For example, I don’t live any day without thinking about God and what He thinks of me since I came to Christ. The Holy Spirit never leaves my conscience. Majority of my actions are based off what I’ve learned from the Bible and nudges from God.

[–]Praexology0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Qualities I am very suspect of based on personal experience:

• If they are BPD

• High spiritualism over faithfulness

• Believing in "Energies"/stones, etc

• Justifying other people's overtly sinful behaviors, especially their parents

• Having a high tradition identity

• The wives of Churchian couples will be big time wine-os or pill poppers. If I say the phrase "When my wife is wrong I'll tell her." And all the women slackjaw and reply with "If my husband ever!" . . . The husbands will be simps, fat, or talk a lot about how their porn consumption is destroying their marriage.

• Anyone who drinks enough to get tipsy, smokes, or does recreational drugs.

• Anyone who really likes Ted Talks or listens to self help audio books/psychobabble books.

• Is apart of an MLM

• Very active on social media

Phrases or communication behaviors I hear that make me immediately suspicious of someone:

• "Everyone has their own truth."

• "I don't want to do [xyz thing that is the right thing to do] because it will make [person] mad."

• "The Bible says not to judge."

• Qualifying an apology

• Anyone who openly speaks poorly of their spouse.

Obviously this isn't a comprehensive list, and some of them are not intrinsically together with faith, but I have yet to meet someone of quality faith that does these things.

[–]agoodcrayon[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Lol that’s quite a list but I’d agree with every single point. Literally, a needle in a haystack.

[–]afterthe_fapocalypse0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

  1. You said it already: do they pray?
  2. Do you pray? Ask God about them. You may get an intuition, and if you know your intuition and your conscience, you bloody well should listen to it and should have been listening to it all along. Pay attention to your insides and your own emotions and thoughts around them. Because odds are they could be saying something important to you.
  3. Do they obey God? It's one thing to know, and another to obey.
  4. Is their obedience like a Chinese menu? IOW do they obey something in column A and another in column B? Or are they in a process of becoming obedient in their hearts to God no matter what He asks of them? Obedience to Him instead of to a rule here or there.
  5. Do they tell the truth about themselves or are they pretending? You will start to see this when you get closer to them. This takes spending time outside of church sometimes.
  6. Is their heart soft? Are they real? Are they loving? The Spirit of God is love. It was Paul or Peter or John who wrote that anyone who loves knows God. I accuse reformed theology here of creating a little checklist of principles to live by, the OSAS formulaic prayer, and other such algorithms that don't result in a changed core. It's not wrong to try to do good things, but to say that this is Christianity misstates the truth. What I'm getting at is look at the church you're in, because its teachings will generally be accepted at least conceptually by those people attending. And if they're heretical, then avoid it.
  7. Watch how these people are as just people. Cut out Church and God and all that stuff. Just judge them as a person. Are they harsh with their children? Are they mean to waiters when you go out? Do they alienate you as a person? It's necessary to turn our own church nice-guy blinders off, too, in a desire to look like a church person. Because the more we are like these people and red flags we have, we might not recognize them in others. When you believe a lie yourself, you think the people around you who believe the same lie are telling the truth.

[–]FrankTheCurious0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I dont know if it has to do with suffering, I know many good christians who have become who they are because something happened in their live, but I also know some people who have a mentality of improving naturally and search for the most truth. Churchianity is mediocracy.

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