Why are most of the muscular men right wing?

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May 5, 2018

There must be a good explanation but I don’t know what.

Most powerlifters and bodybuilders are conservative while skinny men who do nothing but cardio are mostly liberal (excluding old men who do it for their hearth).

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Title Why are most of the muscular men right wing?
Author 123undeuxtrois123
Upvotes 76
Comments 166
Date 05 May 2018 09:37 AM UTC (3 years ago)
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[–]modSlyGradient[M] [score hidden] stickied comment (1 child) | Copy

To be clear, TRP is apolitical, as it is amoral. We are leaving this up for the good discussion being had below, but keep it clean and no slap-fighting. Debate the ideas, not the person.

[–]newls207 points208 points  (28 children) | Copy

  • Lifting promotes testosterone, which has been shown to be correlated with right-wing beliefs
  • Lifting teaches you that everyone is equally shit to start with, and that everyone becomes great through hard work, not giving everybody a participation medal
  • Lifting teaches you that plateaus and declines are a natural part of life, and aren't always anyone's fault
  • Lifting teaches you that you and only you are responsible for your well-being, not government or society at large, or anyone external to yourself
  • Lifting teaches you to value patience and hard work. Persistence is always irresistible the face of every obstacle. This affords you untold power over your own life that no-one can take away from you

[–]TermiFaptor32 points33 points  (1 child) | Copy

The only speech MLK Jr ever needed to give

[–]newls22 points23 points  (0 children) | Copy

Alternate timeline with MLK stood proudly at the podium in a tank top with 23" pythons haha.

[–]blister33310 points11 points  (24 children) | Copy

Not everyone starts at the same level. That 6’6 dude who’s jacked as fuck probably has better genetics than you. Just like not everyone starts on the same Level socioeconomically. You also don’t or shouldn’t, be the sole person responsible for your health. Have you ever struggled with something diet or lifting wise? I bet you asked for help from someone or somewhere. Unless you made a break through in one of areas, you’re relying on someone else’s work. Doesn’t sound very individualist

[–]y_nnis45 points46 points  (7 children) | Copy

Never have I ever seen anyone being jacked effortlessly.

[–]blister33313 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy

Not effortlessly yet two different guys can follow the same workout plan and see different results. Genetics definitely plays a factor.

[–]y_nnis8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Definitely man! Both have to fucking work though.

[–]newls6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

Point to someone who is "naturally" big and I'll point to the same person who has spent years doing manual work and is generally not a lazy person.

[–]y_nnis1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Jacked is not only big though, right?

[–]Ricardo29911 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

How old are you? I saw some in high school, and knew some in the military.

[–]y_nnis2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Mid 30s. Saw no one ever. The strongest person I knew in high school was playing volleyball, but took stuff and trained every.fucking.day... he was carved out of stone, and you couldn't tell just by looking at him.

[–]mustardplug10 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Unless black

[–]RedPilledRoaster9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy

Are you liberal?

[–]blister3333 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

I’d say so, not particularly hard core or into identity politics and such

[–]RedPilledRoaster11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

Welp, you just proved the comment correct. Good job 👍

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Nobody "gets jacked naturally".

You're either lifting, playing sports, or on gear (and doing either or both of the former).

[–]lampshade28182 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy

This is true. One of my best friends and roomate from college never worked out and was crazy ripped. He lived off Taco Bell and McDonald's. If he even thought about going to the gym two new abs would pop up and his arms would grow and inch. I was always so jealous.

[–]iCeeYouP5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy

You cannot be ripped and never work out. That is physically impossible.

[–]Ibanezguitarrocks0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Actually, not necessarily.

I have a nephew that takes after his father, who is actually obese but has a very stocky frame.

As he's gone through puberty he's gained the kind of muscle mass you'd typically see on someone who works out except he doesn't (although he's semi-active he takes long breaks.)

He doesn't have a big chest but everything else is pretty well developed. When his body fat is low you'd think he worked out regularly. Admittedly he has worked out before but we're talking a couple months out of a whole year.

Some people are very blessed in that department.

[–]iCeeYouP0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Eating a lot =/= Working out. Like I said, it is physically impossible, no matter how much you try to hamster that it is, to have defined, chiseled muscles, and NOT put any effort into working them out whatsoever.

[–]Ibanezguitarrocks0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Not sure why you mentioned "eating a lot =/= working out" (never said otherwise). He's no couch potato but he doesn't workout regularly like you would assume if you saw him. No gym membership and no weights at home.

I'm just saying he's got a surprising amount of musculature without nearly the effort other men put into actual bodybuilding.

[–]SwoleyMoleyFrijoley0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Exactly, nobody accidentally turns out like a greek god. It takes work, no matter who it is.

[–]SwoleyMoleyFrijoley0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It doesn't take any talent or genetics to work hard and eat right. Sure, the Rock's and Chris Hemsworth's genetics are better than ours, but in the end they had to work for it. Eating right, is cheap (eggs, veggies, potatoes, whey protein, chicken breast, all affordable). Lifting, is cheap. Socioeconomic factors aren't a factor in work ethic. We have to work for it. If one truly maximizes their physical SMV (5-10% Bodyfat, white teeth, good hygiene, good haircut, lasik, etc), you're probably a 9 to their genetic 10.

[–]returnofthemackX 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Guess what kid, the world is unfair. Are you going to cry about it, or are you going to make it the best for yourself?

[–]blister3330 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

you can both realize its unfair and criticize it while still bettering yourself. its not one or the other.

[–]returnofthemackX 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

The effort is wasted since a perfect world will never exist as we are imperfect beings.

[–]blister3330 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

wtf? never said its perfect but we can make changes and agree that some things can/need to be fixed

[–]aslak1230 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Ok, but you could exchange lifting with running in all of these sentences and it would still sound logical.

[–]StrongAffordance 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

I wouldn’t say right wing but definitely right leaning. The right believes in individual accountability, which makes men push themselves to be better. It was one of the things that made me go conservative from liberal when I swallowed the red pill.

[–]GeuseyBetel9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yep, same here

[–]maxofreddit14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy

Jesus christ.. kinda when off the rails rambling here....

First off, I assume you realize that you're making a huge generalization.

Second, I'm curious to the reason for the question. It seems that you want to confirm your own bias.

Generally speaking, Jordan Peterson claims that political affiliation is as much tied to personality type as anything else.

Also very broadly speaking, conservatives tend to hold the individual's responsibility to themselves and society in high regard, while liberals tend to hold the society's responsibility to the individual in high regard. They obviously both have their place.

Chances are, you didn't have to personally build the vast majority of the roads, schools, clean water or sewer system plumbing in your area of the world, nor do you have to personally fight off any foreign (armed forces) or domestic (police and fire) threats. This is largely due to a liberal view that some things are better taken care of by society in general than the individual.

Then again, even though you were supplied all of these things (like schooling and such) is no guarantee that you will/are able to take advantage of every thing that has been offered you. Even in a small town, there will be roads you haven't driven down, or if you're like most, you'll never have to call the fire department. These things are still there, just in case.

The best of what liberal's have to offer is the desire to improve society so the individual can flourish. They care about a certain amount of safety net for all people, so no one is left out.

Conservatives are more concerned with how you are responsible for your own corner of the world, and that you are taking care of your own responsibilities and are "making the best of things" for yourself. At their care, they value a hard work ethic, as well as focus on self improvement.

The best of what conservatives have to offer is a desire to improve the individual so the society can flourish.

From this perspective, it can be easy to see how lifting (or any journey of self improvement) can seem to represent a more conservative view. Instead of saying, "I'm happy the way I am, and people should love me this way" (liberal), you're saying, "There are things that I need to improve about myself, and I'll like myself more (and probably so will others) if I work on those things myself."

Sometimes, society does, indeed, need to change, and things need to be addressed. We don't need to look to far back into our past to realize that the way we've treated our fellow humans has been appalling. Liberals have been key in this change, like it or not.

Bringing us amazing wealth and standing in the world, including things like keeping us safe during wars of the past, present and future are largely a conservative thing, like it or not.

Funny enough, if you talk to most people with empathy, you find that most of us agree on 90% of stuff.

Holy rambling... did any of that talk to your point, or am I just tired from my Cinco de Mayo workout?

[–]JourneyofDoves72 points73 points  (33 children) | Copy

Right-wingers accept hierarchy and competition, thus they center their lives around running with the competition, left-wingers focus mainly on egalitarianism and fairness, which can never be achieved to any true extent, so the best they can do is rely on degrading the culture and eliminating competition, thereby creating sluts and shattering the family just so they can gain access to the eggs to create more bastard children who will repeat their cycle. This is essentially what is devouring blacks in America, whom are so brainwashed that they have no idea what's happening to them.

Conservatives understand that man is a fallen creature and that the best we can do is instill a motor in the individual, which requires the stability of the family, which in turn requires that men go through the competition wringer to become a man, as to become worthy of a wife.

Progressives are quite literally spiritual cannibals, as they ultimate exchange the happiness and stability of posterity for a 3 second orgasm.

Folks, don't become slaves to impulse, there are some things that I consider worse than death and being a slave to impulse is one of them as it will ultimately lead to the cannibalization of the children in either one form or another. Abortion is really a metaphor for the sickness of the disease of progressivism "kill your children so you can become more of a slut for this deranged society".

[–]otter6461a12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

The absence of this point of view has done a lot of damage to our culture.

If this was the ONLY point of view, it would do a lot of damage to our culture.

[–]Ill_Will78 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Well written. Thank you

[–]dustman835 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is pretty good, but keep in mind some conservative values, such as strong religious focus and ignoring scientific facts seems contrary to the points you raised.

[–]otter6461a15 points16 points  (1 child) | Copy

Jesus fuck can we stop saying “libtards”? You guys sound like idiots.

Your arguments are strong, stop being babies.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy

You need some Pepe magic

[–]MGTOWMODSSUCK 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

“Worthy of a wife” wow this is why the MGTOW niggas have the true red pill. conseratives are basically everyone who misses the 1950’s. Sorry guys progress happens whenever you like it or not. Did it ever occur to you completion and fairness are not at odds? Communism sucks because it didn’t encourage unequal outcomes. Conservative’s wet dream of the free market doesn’t encourage equal opportunity. Speaking as a black Person you are right about dems but I’ll be damned if I ever support a conservative. The party of hypocrisy, (No one playing victim more than conservatives), whataboutism, religious bullshit,( having an imaginary friend makes you weak don’t care how big you are), believing a man-child to be some sort of ascended alpha, and I know far more conservatives than democrats who are the “I’m not racist but black people are shit and beneath us on the HIERARCHY” You guys are literally anti progress but keep telling yourself how much better you are because you lift heavy shit. Apes.

[–]KANYEEEZYFAN 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

The real redpill: average black iq in america is 85

waaahhh wahhh opression wahhh wahh when i commit disproportionate amounts of crime I make up a disproportionate amount of police shootings wahhhhh wahhhh

[–]mrninja10970 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Did you even respond to this comment?

[–]KANYEEEZYFAN0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

progress is transexuals, 4 year olds on ipads, and diversity.

[–]mrninja10970 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Welcome to society in decline

The real red pill: it’s inevitable and no one has a clue how to address the large problems of any society. That’s why I worry about things I can control.

[–]KANYEEEZYFAN1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

it’s inevitable and no one has a clue how to address the large problems of any society.

unironically end democracy

[–]MGTOWMODSSUCK 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

I’m black and I never took an iq test so I already know your getting that based off some bullshit sample size. And so what if blacks have lowest average iq? Doesn’t change the fact that conservatives follow an archaic ideology. Of course you don’t argue about that; you just attack black people right? Suck a dick and eat shit you fucknugget.

[–]MrQinDang 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

whom are so brainwashed

I dunno if it's the brainwashing.. maybe it's something called IQ. I mean, I don't know.. I'm just sayin'

[–]NewReligionIsMySong2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I wouldn't use the word brainwash, and yes, sometimes it is the result of a low IQ, but the best word for it is "indoctrination".

The idea that we are all equal is a faith based idea, not one supported by science. When the founding fathers wrote that "all men are created equal" they meant that "no man is divinely ordained to be a leader by a higher power"... in other words, it was a slant against King George who told people that he was king because of divine right. The founding fathers did not believe that all men were equally capable, or that everyone was equally smart, and it is a shame to this day that they failed to realize how their language would one day be used as a club to bludgeon those who can plainly see that not everyone is equally good at everything, or equally valuable to society.

I look at events like Google firing a white male engineer named James Damore for his contribution of peer reviewed science that was considered heresy by many at Google, in a conversation about the gender gap in STEM, as evidence that progressives are increasingly viewing the world through a faith based lens, not a scientific one as they tend to like to claim.

[–]aslak123-1 points0 points  (9 children) | Copy

You don't want to bring IQ into this.... The research suggests leftist have higher IQs than conservatives.

[–]MrQinDang 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

And you're liberal, i'm guessing.

See, I can read minds. Guess that makes me smarter than you /s

[–]aslak123-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy

Nah, Im a far-leftist, democratic socialist.

But averages have no effect on us as individuals, just because leftist on average have slightly higher IQ does not mean that applies to any specific leftist, as in me.

[–]MrQinDang 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

So you're saying you're dumb?

In reference to the second line, not the first.

[–]aslak1230 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I clock in at 133, top 2 precentile, according to a reputable but inaccurate internet mensa test.

[–]MrQinDang 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Considering that you couldn't spell correctly the first time around, I would say those results are HIGHLY inaccurate at best.

[–]aslak1230 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Dude I iz on mah phone. English is not my first language anyway.

[–]juliusstreicher0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Actually it doesnt. Latest research otherwise.

[–]aslak1230 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Where can i find this research?

[–]juliusstreicher0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Iirc, i read it on heartiste.wordpress.uknowwhat.

[–]blister333 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

That’s why we want birth control but cons keep trying to take that away. You really think most women are suitable to be the mother of your kids? Hell no. Abortion and birth control help us as much if not more than woman. If they act “slutty” because of it, big deal. I’d rather have that compared to unwanted kids

[–]MisterRoid-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

Cuckservatives are not much better. It's pathetic how they defend changes made by the Libtards of the 60s for example.

[–]buddahbusted0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This is a beta falling for a real alpha’s game. If you are at the top, you want everyone to think individual actions are all that matters. The last thing you want is a group of organized men taking control of their lives through a collective. If you were born into the highest class, then yes the status quo serves you great and must maintain control through myths that keep betas in line.

If you are lower or middle class, convincing you that you should rely on only your individual actions rather than creating a union or other fraternal organization to join forces with other men is their goal.

Abortion is a great metaphor. Nobody cares if the guy at the top pays to kill off his concubine’s children. Illegitimate children are a threat to those he really loves. It is only a sin if it was the child of one of his wives. It is the emotional hook to control the betas and below. It’s all about the money. The false morality play is for the rubes, to get them to act irrationally for your own benefit.

[–]Nergaal0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

, left-wingers focus mainly on egalitarianism and fairness

Why is fairness left-wing?

[–]Merwebb7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy


[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's more like a difference in perspective. Leftists wants fairness as defined by the outcome, right leaning people tend to want fairness defined by opportunities. This is broadly speaking of course.

[–]11-Eleven-110 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Fairness to them is you have a house I want so I'm going to burn it down so neither of us can have it. Even though they could work and both of them could have the same house.

[–]BizarreBlizzard5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

I don't think the act of lifting changes people's political beliefs often. But an interest in getting big might correlate with the type of personality that values strength which would lean right.

[–]Wrath_of_Trump5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

You are more likely to encounter the true nature of women and realize how quickly they can degenerate society if you let them.

[–]Nergaal5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

I am going to propose an slight alternative: right-wing means conservative, or keeping something that works. If you are in a hierarchy where you are at the bottom, anything is better, and liberalism promotes trying anything new. If you lift, you 1) you got there by yourself; 2) you had good enough genes to allow 1 to happen either with lots of work or with little work. You are kinda at the top of a hierarchy, so toppling that hierarchy is not in your interest. If you are a low-T male, no woman gives you attention and the best you can hope for is to end up a cuck. Those males want to throw up the system that for better of worse, brought them to the bottom of the pecking order.

[–]Endorsed Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil14 points15 points  (15 children) | Copy

Testosterone makes people more psychologically disagreeable. That and killing yourself in the gym while beta cuckwads finger fuck their I Phone makes you realize that people arnt equal and can never be equal.

[–]blister333-5 points-4 points  (13 children) | Copy

So you’re bigger than them? Big deal. We’re in the era of nerds. Betas have a lot of power these days and gym bros have been losing ground consistently unless you play a sport professionally

[–]Mr_Badass5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Nerd doesn't mean beta. Intellectualism is alpha.

[–]TheLegionnaire004 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

I work in cyber security and I go to gym. Why can't you train both your body and your mind?

Mens sana in corpore sano!

[–]Endorsed Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil11 points12 points  (4 children) | Copy

Your butthurt because you identity as a nerd and I hurt your beta fee fees.

[–]blister3330 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

What’s so great about your identity? Endorsed contributor in the mansophere. That’s a nerd right there

[–]Endorsed Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil12 points13 points  (2 children) | Copy

I'm a wizard who can summon Beta nerd buttmad. It's pretty magical.

[–]blister333-2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy

u DnD bro?

[–]LiveAFTSOV8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

You entered his frame when you said that. You're rebuttal about being a manosphere EC nerd was funny.

Shoulda said "ITT endorsed creative writing nerd pens litrotica about being an alpha wizard"

[–]MyDarkSideOfTheMoon4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy

Problem is a lot of these alphas that I know have low income earning jobs, usually manual labor.

[–]blister3336 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yep and don’t amount the shit. One of the most alpha dudes from my high school is a townie for life

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It depends what kind of manual labour.

I know guys that make more than me as an accountant doing carpentry. I also know guys making minimum wage shovelling dirt.

[–]Dabunghole1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Skilled manual labor pays lol. Go to the Midwest and plumbers, welders, carpenters, etc. are all making well into six figures. And it’s cheap as fuck to live here.

[–]MyDarkSideOfTheMoon0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Skilled yeah. Thats completley diffrent. I was talking about unskilled. Like me.

[–]Austinisfullgohome3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

They’re not losing ground in the bedroom.

The nerd look is currently fashionable and mainstream, yes. A pale, timid, 94-lb little shit couldn’t get panties wet with a hose. Literally the only thing that makes Zuckerberg’s greasy little face attractive is his bank account. He’d be posting in braincels right now if he hadn’t learned to code.

If betas have power they don’t know what to do with it. I mean, look at his wife. Ugh. That little weasel should have a harem of perpetually horny 10s. Hopefully for his sake she’ll stick around and won’t end up owning half of Facebook in ten years.

[–]FiveStarTendieDinner2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Right wing retards are no better than liberal crybabies. They both have no place in a red pill lifestyle.

[–]MisterRoid33 points34 points  (6 children) | Copy

Being physically weak correlates with being mentally weak. That's why skinny beta faggots are more likely to be Socialists and Libtards.

[–]blister33320 points21 points  (3 children) | Copy

Yea those skinny beta incels don’t seem very liberal

[–]SwoleyMoleyFrijoley2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's because they can't compete for resources so they want them to be given to them.

[–]Original_Dankster-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

But they are certainly leftist. They want equal distribution of sexual access without having to earn it. Replace sexual access with resources/money and you have basic marxism.

Incels and fat-positive females are essentially sexual marxists.

[–]MisterRoid0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That's true. I'm obviously talking about mainstream Libtards here. Being a Libertarian is respectable in my book.

[–]dustman837 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

No need to be a douche about it. Some of the most intelligent and mentally capable men out there are very skinny. They spend more time in research and academia than lifting. In a physical way, they probably are beta, but in leading their respective "tribe", are surely alpha. Steve jobs, Bill Gates, Stephen hawking, Prince. These guys were likely physically weak.

[–]blister3337 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Being physically strong has never meant less than today. The only time it’ll be worth less is tomorrow

[–]DntPnicIGotThis7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

liberal. conservative. does not matter.

above all.


[–]lord-denning6 points7 points  (18 children) | Copy

Once you start lifting, part of the wool comes off your eyes, and you realize the world works more like how the conservatives say it does.

Very generally speaking, the left deals with people as they ideally should be, and the right deals with people as they actually are. For example, a study asked rich and poor people whether a woman would have kids for the welfare benefits. The rich people tended to say of course not, the poor people tended to say of course or at least that a woman might care less whether she had a kid or not given that there were benefits to be had. Who do you think has a greater insight into the lives of fellow poor people and how they are likely to act?

[–]blister3336 points7 points  (17 children) | Copy

Eh cons also think minor tax cuts are a huge boost for working poor families. They dont have that much of an impact. Higher wages and better benefits would be more helpful to most lower or even middle class Americans. Not sure what wool you’re taking about. Atleast when I was growing up it was always about grades/hard work not the other way around

[–]jtjathomps1 point2 points  (9 children) | Copy

You think the government can magically increase wages and benefits? How?

[–]blister3333 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy

Well things like ceo limits on pay have done fine in Europe. Also minimum wage is decided by govt and state issued healthcare is another way. In terms of big picture, I think America needs to shift away from the dire need to always maximize profit. This usually comes at the expense of wages which have been stagnant for 30 years. Luckily more “conscious” companies have started to make headlines.

[–]jtjathomps0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

How do limits on CEO pay raise wages for the rank and file? If you reduce CEO wages and divide that by tens of thousands of employees - it means nothing. That's just wealth envy. So profits are bad? Where do you think the profits go? They go to the shareholders - most of which are just people with stocks or mutual funds in retirement accounts. You want people to have less money to retire? Weird ideas.

[–]blister3330 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Countries have implemented laws where ceo can only make X times what the lowest level employee makes. Most middle class people have little to nothing in retirement accounts as it is

[–]jtjathomps0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

You're just making stuff up now. 66% of Americans have retirement accounts. 90% of the middle class have retirement savings. If you don't think a large chunk of the stock and bond market is occupied by retirement accounts of regular people - I don't know what to say. It's just a fact.

[–]blister3330 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Half of America doesn’t have 1k saved

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[–]Planner_Hammish0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

By reducing immigration so that there is not a constant surplus of labour undermining wage growth while simultaneously increasing living costs.

[–]jtjathomps0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Except there is no surplus of labor - the unemployment rate is now 3.9%. LACK of labor is a bigger problem - look at what is happening in Japan.

[–]Planner_Hammish0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'm assuming that is from BLS official stats? Because their definition for unemployment keeps changing and excluding more and more types of unemployed, keeping the numbers looking good.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

that does help more.

[–]blister3330 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

What does, tax cuts?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

maybe not a lot, but tax cuts and tax incentives for the rich to pay workers higher wages is not a bad idea. hey if you pay your workers above x, you get this much of a tax break. the left refuses to acknowledge that in order to win, you have to give and take, and give mutual benefit.

[–]bobbydreddits4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yeah but this doesn't happen. The current workforce is extremely more productive then it used to be and wages have stagnated. I'm assuming you are American? The rich people in power sell that idea because it's passes as a talking point

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

the issue is we don't have proper protectionism in place.

[–]blister3330 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

definitely agree, you need to work together. thats whats missing most, forget the left/right shit all together

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

it does help as well as higher wages. the only thing is raising minimum wage causes inflation.

[–]frequentlywrong9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy

Self discipline and sacrifice are conservative traits.

[–]blister3338 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy

Hey women sacrifice fetuses all the time!

[–]Austinisfullgohome1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Oh snap

[–]zeromonster894 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy

I've seen these men. I think it mite be the only way they can have a male identity in a "girl power" world. They tend to be right-wing because most left-wing men who are "progressive" are also kissing up to women to get with them. Just look at male feminists, a lot of them have low status among men, they can only get attention from women by "supporting women". But Alpha males tend to be right-wing because even women today love a breadwinner. Just my opinion.

[–]blister3335 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

Plenty of people Are left wing and don’t care about feminism. They’re a loud minority

[–]zeromonster895 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

I'm a classical liberal myself. I'm also MGTOW. I think the feminists will make the left and free thinking movement die. Feminism is basically a cult, a religion.

[–]blister3334 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yea it’s definitely borderline cult at this point. The “with us or against us” mentality isn’t helpful on either side. Even the posts on here attacking liberals don’t really accomplish anything. We’ve been at each other’s throats for years and nothing’s really changed. Most people still feel left out politically, regardless of view point. I’d call myself liberal but my preference/focus is on how meaningless politics is in America. Until average peoples thoughts or votes really matter, then it’s basically all masturbation

[–]vizzzzion1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

*only reads title

OP, exactly.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I dont personally fall into this stereotype much but a lot of the drives that would lead men to lift fall under "traditional" masculinity, which is a bit more closely associated with right of center views.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

i don't truthfully care about politics one way or another. nowadays, the system is so corrupt that its better to check out and not play.

[–]FiveStarTendieDinner1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's better to take advantage of both sides and systematically destroy both the left and right wing establishments if the opportunity arises.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Discipline. Self reliance. Not being a victim. Working hard to get results. Not relying on others...no excuses.

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Because building muscle requires taking personal responsibility for the state of your body.

[–]TurnDownForWhat3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Because they know the benefits of hard work. Short and simple.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I really don't think that fitness has anything to do with political affiliation. I'm from America and in my country half of the 324 million people are overweight. A third of them are extremely obese. Some of those individuals who are fat and obese are my coworkers. They are not liberals by any means. Unless you can provide some sort of statistics or studies that were shown that people who lift are more X than Y I think it's better to not bother with such a useless debate.

This election season I was interested in the presidential campaign. It was my second time being able to vote for a president. After I got so wound up from all of it I realized how beta it is to give a fuck about the government and what they promise you. TRP is about realizing that nobody owes you shit and nobody is going to do shit for you. The government doesn't help you because they like you and want to suck you dick. All they want is your tax money. That is the only reason they protect us and nurture us. Getting caught between left and right is how they divide and conquer us.

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You can choose to dive deep into it all; that is unnecessary. From the simplest form of thought, you can see that a women’s way of thinking is that of the left’s talking points/principle. When you think about the opposite of that spectrum, you end up with “mostly” what we have in US politics, that being the right side, or what you call it, “being a right winger.”

[–]SelfActualize860 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Because "right wingers" are more inclined to embody traditionally masculine characteristics.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Liberalism is designed for women.

[–]Planner_Hammish0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Ignorant statement. Liberals currently pander to women, and break the social contract by increasing reliance on the State. Liberalism is about freedom, personal responsibility, small government, and merit.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Buzzfeed's Tryguys have T levels lower than normal 80 year old men and they are as leftwing as can be. Not a coincidence IMO. Just like how women are most likely to vote left, men with low T are basically women with penises.

[–]longjeep20050 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Pet Theory:

Driven and motivated men tend to work hard in the gym. Drive to succeed is essentially a quest for power; power to determine your own destiny, i.e. freedom. Right wing beliefs are more libertarian in nature, therefore powerful individuals tend to side with these beliefs.

However, one does not have to be right wing to be muscular/successful.

[–]RPAlternate420 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

There is a strong correlation between realism and the members of the political right. The right tends towards dealing with what is.

The left deals with what ought to be; idealism.

People well acquainted with the iron Temple know that only hard work and actual pushing will move the weight. It will not move itself and making it lighter because it's too heavy isn't going to move the heavy weight.

Realists know the weight has to be moved, so they do what is necessary to move it.

Idealists don't think that it needs to be moved and so it isn't; if it's hard, do something else.

Until Chad takes his girl over and over and over again. Until his female friends constantly telling him how hot some other Chad is or they openly discuss how Chad conquers them with each other while he sits just outside the circle of discussion with his chin down and his arms crossed.

Then he wonders if he can be Chad.

[–]aslak1230 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Do you have any research behind this or is it just your anecdotal impression?

[–]123undeuxtrois1230 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Actually there is a study done in a university that supports my thesis. It is about the correlation between biceps size and place on the political left-right spectrum.

[–]DarkMountain666-1 points0 points  (10 children) | Copy

Sorry but this sounds like the biggest bullshit ever. You need to start seeing the lifting culture and political ideologies as two separate things.

[–]2000inchbiceps2 points3 points  (9 children) | Copy

You need to see a broader view of why a person votes who he votes for. Personal values that are built up on hard work can correlate with political beliefs.

[–]blister3334 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy

If you vote, you’ve lost. You fail to see the big picture and how politics is in America. You have no voice

[–]2000inchbiceps-2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy

Voting does have an impact. Why do you think there's no national voting holiday where the majority is off work? Why do you think they try so damn hard to manipulate the votes? Why do you think they make it so inconvenient to get to a polling station? Why do you think the presidential election was on a Tuesday? If you really cared about doing something, at the very least would be to vote.

[–]blister3332 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

there was a study done by a political scientist from yale/princeton that showed even if citizens had a 90% consensus on an issue, there was a 30% that it could be turned into a new bill. if business didnt approve of that bill, there was an over 95% chance the issue would be squashed.

[–]2000inchbiceps1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy


[–]DarkMountain666-2 points-1 points  (4 children) | Copy

Personal values that are built up on hard work can correlate with political beliefs.

You can't figure out someone's personal values/political ideology by how hard he works in the gym.

Yes, he would've worked hard in that case, especially if his genetics are not in his favor. Anything else you want to extract from that is nothing more than baseless assumptions and generalizations that get you nowhere.

[–]2000inchbiceps0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Read better. I didn't say they "do correlate", but they "can correlate". There's a bunch of factors that can bring up a someone's political ideology. I'm not saying one factor means you can predict 100% someone's ideology.

[–]DarkMountain666 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Shut up. Don't want to read your shit.

[–]2000inchbiceps0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Lol I love it when people change the subject from what they quoted so they can win an argument. Really shows how meaningless arguing with them can be. Don't quote my shit if you're not going to stay on subject.

And again as always, read better.

[–]Avertus0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

There do exist white incels who worship tradcon thots like Lauren Southern and then get pissed off when said thots hook up with non-white men. You'd think it's the feminists who would label those white nationalist chicks as hypocrites, but no, the derogatory term "coal burner" is actually used by alt-right betas.

[–]laserdicks0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I think it all comes down to this one line of division: independence Vs dependence.

Conservative and liberal Right and left Built and soy Liberty and affirmative action (under the guise of "equality")

[–]blister3331 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Tons of fat conservative fucks down south. Come down and I’ll show you how pathetic they are. Most of them drive over sized trucks which are American made garbage

[–]econquest0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Once you're buff women don't want to hear that shit from you. Their skinny liberal friends are there to discuss that with them, while you're there to pound them.

This comes from the women, not from you. you don't really have a choice in the matter.

(relative beginner, take what I say with a grain of salt!)

[–]no_condoments-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Your question is backwards and assumes the guys aren't choosing to be muscular by dedicating time in the gym. The right question would be: why do right wing guys focus heavily on lifting?

Whether that's true and what the reasons are, I leave to someone else.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

I don't know but I can attest to it myself. When I started lifting, I had a literal metamorphosis take place in my brain. Went far left to far right. Chemical imbalance is all that I can think it might be.

[–][deleted] -4 points-3 points  (2 children) | Copy

i am a cardio guy and do a lot of martial arts. i tend to lean left on social issues and more fiscally conservative.

[–]123undeuxtrois1230 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

You know I don’t mean you right? I’ve trained martial arts too and have done tons of cardio.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

yeah i know that. i think that the idea is kinda silly is all. i think politics are separate from yhe weight lifting/exercise;

where you get the right wing type stuff, i believe, is most guys who exercise, train hard, and take care of themselves, tend to be confident, and self reliant. self reliant people have no need for a lot of the leftist narrative. because they can take care of themselves. i agree, that maybe there is a correlation, but its more due to the confidence and independent mindset it instills.

[–]cl3537-4 points-3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Nonsense assumptions based on small sample size. Most body builders are one dimensional and not too bright who cares what their political views are.

[–]123undeuxtrois1231 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I am not talking about IFBB Pros I’m talking about the average Joe who lifts and the average Joe doesn’t.

[–]cl35371 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

If it was mostly redpill men lifting (which it really isn't in mine or any other gym), than yes I'd assume most are Right Wing capitalists, working out is a means to an end and in a capitalist society you have the greatest potential to be rewarded for your efforts. The disparity between have and have nots is greatest in right wing society.

[–]TimPartendale-3 points-2 points  (0 children) | Copy

There isn’t a good explanation because the correlation is in your head. And I’ve yet to see any evidence to support your question.

This is equivalent to me saying, “Head and shoulders is blue. Why do libtards have more dandruff?”

I’m liberal and I lift. My friends are liberal (or very apathetic to politics) and they lift. Did I survey everyone at my gym? Nope. But I also didn’t make a reddit post saying, “my gym leans left - why is that?” And leave it to the dogs.

The responses in this thread are hilarious.

[–]ChiefRob615-3 points-2 points  (0 children) | Copy

How did you come to this conclusion?

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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