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How long do you think it will take for the white girls to have this conversation?

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Title How long do you think it will take for the white girls to have this conversation?
Author DestroyerOfCommies
Upvotes 422
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Date 06 June 2020 01:36 PM UTC (4 months ago)
Subreddit antifeminists
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/706241
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/antifeminists/comments/gxr43t/how_long_do_you_think_it_will_take_for_the_white/
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[–]mhandanna36 points37 points  (0 children) | Copy

Not sure why male vs female police figures are so radically different? Generally men do the riskiest jobs even when women are in the profession e.g. In Israel women serve in mialtry but even when front line, its not front line, they ar sent to quiet zones. Interestingly feminsit are very keen to degender roles such as firemen - firefighter (even though very few women, most services 0 women) and say service/soldier men and service women when 99.7% combat deaths are male.... BUT at the same time (cos I dont disagree with making gender neural name) they gender things like manspreading and mansplaining when women do it, often even more (femsplaining and nagging)

So picture shows civillians. Here is cops too:

https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/fbi-releases-2018-statistics-on-law-enforcement-officers-killed-in-the-line-of-duty

POLICE DEATHS (FBI STATS)

Felonious Deaths

  • 52 were male
  • 3 were female
  • 46 were white
  • 7 were black/African American
  • 2 were Native Hawaiian/Other Pacific Islander

Accidental Deaths

  • 47 were male
  • 4 were female
  • 39 were white
  • 8 were black/African American
  • 3 were American Indian/Alaska Native
  • 1 was Asian.

[–]Diogenes--22 points23 points  (0 children) | Copy

Unknown

IT'S MA'AM!!!

[–]luide5517 points18 points  (10 children) | Copy

Now show the race data.

Most people are running from the numbers but it proves there is no systemic racism coming from American police. It’s sad most people think there is.

[–]bsutansalt17 points18 points  (0 children) | Copy

From a pretty good facebook post on the subject. Author is a black cop who explains why we have the proportionality problem...

https://www.facebook.com/SaveMaryland/posts/3236466373052316

I remember the countless times I canvassed the area afterwards, and asked everyone “did you see who did it”, and the popular response from the very same family members was always, “Fuck the Police, I aint no snitch, I’m gonna take care of this myself. This happened every single time, every single homicide, black on black, and then my realization became clearer.

I woke up every morning, put my freshly pressed uniform on, shined my badge, functioned checked my weapon, kissed my wife and kid, and waited for my wife to say the same thing she always does before I leave, “Make sure you come back home to us”. I always replied, “I will”, but the truth was I was never sure if I would. I almost lost my life on this job, and every call, every stop, every moment that I had this uniform on, was another possibility for me to almost lose my life again. I was a target in the very community I swore to protect, the very community I wanted to help. As a matter of fact, they hated my very presence. They called me “Uncle Tom”, and “wanna be white boy”, and I couldn’t understand why. My own fellow black men and women attacking me, wishing for my death, wishing for the death of my family. I was so confused, so torn, I couldn’t understand why my own black people would turn against me, when every time they called …I was there. Every time someone died….I was there. Every time they were going through one of the worst moments in their lives…I was there. So why was I the enemy? I dove deep into that question…Why was I the enemy? Then my realization became clearer.

Complaint: Police always targeting us, they always messing with the black man.

Fact: A city where the majority of citizens are black (Baltimore for example) …will ALWAYS have a higher rate of black people getting arrested, it will ALWAYS have a higher rate of blacks getting stopped, and will ALWAYS have a higher rate of blacks getting killed, and the reason why is because a city with those characteristics will ALWAYS have a higher rate of blacks committing crime. The statistics will follow the same trend for Asians if you go to China, for Hispanics if you go to Puerto Rico, for whites if you go to Russia, and the list goes on. It’s called Demographics

Complaint: More black people get arrested than white boys.

Fact: Black People commit a grossly disproportionate amount of crime. Data from the FBI shows that Nationwide, Blacks committed 5,173 homicides in 2014, whites committed 4,367. Chicago’s death toll is almost equal to that of both wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, combined. Chicago’s death toll from 2001–November, 26 2015 stands at 7,401. The combined total deaths during Operation Iraqi Freedom (2003-2015: 4,815) and Operation Enduring Freedom/Afghanistan (2001-2015: 3,506), total 8,321.

Complaint: Blacks are the only ones getting killed by police, or they are killed more.

Fact: As of July 2016, the breakdown of the number of US Citizens killed by Police this year is, 238 White people killed, 123 Black people killed, 79 Hispanics, 69 other/or unknown race.

Fact: Black people kill more other blacks than Police do, and there are only protest and outrage when a cop kills a black man. University of Toledo criminologist Dr. Richard R. Johnson examined the latest crime data from the FBI’s Supplementary Homicide Reports and Centers for Disease Control and found that an average of 4,472 black men were killed by other black men annually between Jan. 1, 2009, and Dec. 31, 2012. Professor Johnson’s research further concluded that 112 black men died from both justified and unjustified police-involved killings annually during this same period.

Complaint: Well we already doing a good job of killing ourselves, we don’t need the Police to do it. Besides they should know better.

The more I listened, the more I realized. The more I researched, the more I realized. I would ask questions, and would only get emotional responses & inferences based on no facts at all. The more killing I saw, the more tragedy, the more savagery, the more violence, the more loss of life of a black man at the hands of another black man….the more I realized.

I haven’t slept well in the past few nights. Heartbreak weighs me down, rage flows through my veins, and tears fills my eyes. I watched my fellow officers assassinated on live television, and the images of them laying on the ground are seared into my brain forever. I couldn’t help but wonder if it had been me, a black man, a black cop, on TV, assassinated, laying on the ground dead,..would my friends and family still think black lives mattered? Would my life have mattered? Would they make t-shirts in remembrance of me? Would they go on tv and protest violence? Would they even make a Facebook post, or share a post in reference to my death?

I realized that they refuse to believe that most cops acknowledge that there are Bad cops who should have never been given a badge & gun, who are chicken shit and will shoot a cockroach if it crawls at them too fast, who never worked in the hood and may be intimidated. That most cops dread the thought of having to shoot someone, and never see the turmoil and mental anguish that a cop goes through after having to kill someone to save his own life. Instead they believe that we are all blood thirsty killers, because the media says so, even though the numbers prove otherwise. I realize that they truly feel as if the death of cops will help people realize the false narrative that Black Lives Matter, when all it will do is take their movement two steps backwards and label them domestic terrorist. I realized that some of these people, who say Black Lives Matter, are full of hate and racism. Hate for cops, because of the false narrative that more black people are targeted and killed. Racism against white people, for a tragedy that began 100’s of years ago, when most of the white people today weren’t even born yet. I realized that some in the African-American community’s idea of “Justice” is the prosecution of ANY and EVERY cop or white man that kills or is believed to have killed a black man, no matter what the circumstances are. I realized the African American community refuses to look within to solve its major issues, and instead makes excuses and looks outside for solutions. I realized that a lot of people in the African American lead with hate, instead of love. Division instead of Unity. Turmoil and rioting, instead of Peace. I realized that they have become the very entity that they claim they are fighting against.

I realized that the very reasons I became a cop, are the very reasons my own people hate me, and now in this toxic hateful racially charged political climate, I am now more likely to die,… and it is still hard for me to understand…. to this day.

Officer Stalien

[–]BenSchizkoske0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy

Oh, do you have a reliable source on that? I sincerely think there is, it could be the media too.

[–]luide553 points4 points  (6 children) | Copy

Yes,

Source showing white people are ten times most likely to be killed unarmed by a police officer than black people: https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fdluc09.pdf

Source showing black people commit almost 50% of the crimes in USA: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in-the-u.s.-2017/tables/table-43

You can also read a bit more in here if you want but the first sources are more reliable: https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-myth-of-systemic-police-racism-11591119883

Any reasonable person would agree that if 50% of the crimes come from black people, they should represent 50% of the unarmed people killed by police. Yet they are a much smaller part of it.

If anything, there would be systemic racism against white people in America.

You can have whatever ideology you want but numbers don't lie!

[–]Blanket999991 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I’m gonna use this more often thanks I’ve been in need of looking around for data to prove that systemic racism against black people doesn’t exist

[–]BenSchizkoske-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy

Interesting! The 50% figure is because black people tend to be poorer, and poor people are much more likely to commit crimes.

[–]luide552 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

Agreed!

[–]BenSchizkoske0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Where is the part about unarmed people being killed by police? I tried using search but I'm probably not looking for the correct keywords lol!

[–]luide551 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Search is not working properly there but you should read it all.

Anyway, here is another article from Harvard showing even more absurd data. Here (page 6, Table 1) they show that a black person have a 6% likelihood to be killed unarmed when comparing to a white person: https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/fryer/files/fryer_police_aer.pdf

If you want another great article about police violence in general, here it is: https://www.dolanconsultinggroup.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Dispelling-the-Myths-Surrounding-Police-Use-of-Lethal-Force.pdf

[–]BenSchizkoske1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Oof! You're right! Thanks for the info!

[–]Neveah_Hope_Dreams-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Ah ha!

I'm aware of this now. And I'm a white girl!

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy

I don't care about men

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Why not?

[–]Razorbladekandyfan0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

She is a feminist.



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