Feminist Lead government in Finland Conscripts Men ONLY into the army!

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Title Feminist Lead government in Finland Conscripts Men ONLY into the army!
Author Razorbladekandyfan
Upvotes 196
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Date 01 May 2020 01:13 PM UTC (11 months ago)
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Link https://theredarchive.com/post/706608
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[–]Razorbladekandyfan[S] 48 points49 points  (31 children) | Copy

You might say they are regulating men's bodies.

[–]qemist8 points9 points  (20 children) | Copy

That's what a state does or it is not a state. It regulates its subjects' bodies, where they go, what they do. The Finnish state does so in a sexist way.

[–]Razorbladekandyfan[S] 10 points11 points  (18 children) | Copy

Oh? what do they do to regulate women's bodies in that forced servitude way? Nothing. Conscription is forced servitude.

[–]nacho-chonky0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Lol I think all the downvotes just misunderstood what your talking about

[–]PastMyBedThyme0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah I mean we all hate feminists down here but we don't want to become them. Im not saying we should suck it up and Im not really encouraging to fight it but this happens in other places besides Finland men in america go though the same thing although we dont go to jail for it but if we dont sign up for selective service we cannot apply for a driers license or citizenship. Youre just emphasizing it because its in a female led country.

[–]vetzxi-2 points-1 points  (8 children) | Copy

This is stupid This post and that video have taken the matter very badly out of context and the guy in the video is not a Finn and seems to have no idea what is happening and so do you. This conscription is a tradition part of our culture. This tradition is older than feminism and part of our culture. For years the talks have been going about changing it. Fact is there will be conscription and women should not be conscripted. This is a attack towards our tradition and culture. Serving in the army has alwayd been a pride. It's easy to serve and it's not regulating mens bodies it's protecting our sovereigny. Army is the best time of mans life and will be. Everything is taken care of and it's a golden memory. This post is stupid and ignorant.

[–]Razorbladekandyfan[S] 2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy

Army is the best time of mans life and will be.

I call bullshit. If it was so great, men wouldn't be forced to do it. Also " and women should not be conscripted" why? Are they levitating above men?

[–]vetzxi-2 points-1 points  (6 children) | Copy

I call bullshit. If it was so great, men wouldn't be forced to do it. Also Many of them aren't forced. It's nowadays hard to be accepted into the army. Every men just have to go to calligns. It is great. Many men see this as the height of their life. In the 9 month servive everything is provided. You don't have to worry about money or anything except getting out. It even doesn't need to be forced because nowadays men don't need to go to army! They can go massage the older generations feet for couple months!

[–]Razorbladekandyfan[S] 2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy

Why are only men required to do this?

[–]vetzxi-2 points-1 points  (4 children) | Copy

Simple answer is that it's tradition but then there is reasons why not to break this tradition. The reaaon is that the army is overflowing with soldiers (we can't equip half of the million reservist), the training is expensive and women are usually not as good soldiers as men.

[–]Razorbladekandyfan[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

If its overflowing then you dont need conscripts right? I keep hearing that the only way to have an army is through conscription, but now its overflowing. Its almost like you are playing both sides to make it so that women can be exempt.

[–]vetzxi-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

The thing is that it's basically a political statement. It means were ready to defend ourselfs. For all of our history we have been subjects of other nations and we need a good army and we must show that were ready to fight. If the conscription is stopped sooner or later we will drift into Russias sphere and we will become the next Ukraine. We don't technically need it but it's better to be safe than a Russian puppet state.

[–]Razorbladekandyfan[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Russia can invade any time they want, with our without conscription. The country has 150 mil people, Finland has 5 mil. Do the math.

[–]vetzxi-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Finland has 900 thousand reservists the same amount as Russia has active military personel. Most of these wouldn't fight. Finland has war time strenght of 280 thousand soldiers. Russias war time strenght is massive but Russia is so big country it can't use it's whole army just a portion of it. Usually it's accepted that Russia can Give 10% of it's military to attack Finland. If Russia used 10% if it's active personnel (Good troops) Finland would outnumber them. If Russia used reservists it wouldn't do much good. These are poorly trained compared to Finnish Reservists. The thing is that invading Finland would be too costly. All this has happened in winter war but this time Finland would have much better ground to stand on. The thing is that Russia can take Finland but Nato would intervene but if Russia could drag Finland into it's sphere no Nato support would come. This dragging would be easy if the conscription would be stopped.

[–]VestigialHead47 points48 points  (10 children) | Copy

Women should be facing the exact same demands as regard to conscription. Otherwise this is a blatant inequality.

[–]Razorbladekandyfan[S] 24 points25 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yes, either abolish it, or make everyone go. You can't have it both ways.

[–]fatlittlefreak88216 points17 points  (1 child) | Copy

Otherwise this is a blatant inequality.

Of course it is. But you never thought feminism was really about equality in the first place, did you?

[–]VestigialHead3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Not really. But every feminist I have spoken to online demands it is. So I enjoy pointing out the many ways it is not.

[–]vetzxi0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

This post and that video have taken things heavily out of context. The conscription is a tradition a tradition part of our culture and it has always been like this even before feminist movement was a thing. There has been talks regarding getting women in to the calligns. Women will not be conscripted because most of them can't survive the basic physical training. Conscription will not end. If the goverment would end the conscription there would be a Russian invasion and before that a revolution. Being in the army is the height of a mans life and gives great pride to the finns. This post and that video are stupid and ignorant.

[–]VestigialHead2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy

I am not suggesting that the conscription should be removed at all. I am saying women should be forced to do it at risk of criminal charges if they skip it. Otherwise it is simply inequality. Feminists are always claiming they are pushing for equality. Yet you do not hear of them pushing to be included in things like this that are physically hard or dangerous or uncomfortable. They want all the good rights but none of the responsibilities.

[–]vetzxi0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

That would be stupid. Most women can't pass the physical training and the army is overloaded with soldiers. We can't even equip half of our reserve. Women should get a training for Lotta activities and It is generally accepted that women without families would be made into a modern Lotta unit. Basically if the goverment would make the forced conscription for women the whole country would be in a open rebellion (including the army) before you could say just kidding.

[–]VestigialHead2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

Irrelevant. I could not care less if the women cannot handle the training. The fact is forcing men to do it and not forcing the women is simple inequality in a country that prides itself on being woke. So things need to change. Either relax the laws on forcing men into the army or make them equally applicable to women.

As for anyone not passing the basic physical training they will if they are forced to do it over and over until they become strong enough. Feminists tell me that women can do anything men can do.

[–]vetzxi0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

You are disrespecting our tradition you know that? The fact is men don't need to go to the army but they need to serve our country, without conscription our country would not be independent and the goverment doesn't have the money to train women and men.

[–]VestigialHead1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

So women are protected from this an should not have to serve the country? Okay fair enough - but they do not get to claim they do not get special treatment. They do not get to claim they are equal and can do anything men can do. They do not get to claim men have more rights and are oppressing them when situations like this exist.

Equality is equality - which is not present in your countries system. But that is okay - as long as everyone is aware of that.

[–]vetzxi0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yes they do but as this whole post and video try to say that all this is because of the new feminist goverment. The new goverment is not so bad or good but it didn't do this.

[–]MingSushi15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy

“Women are just as strong and capable as men, that’s why they won’t be drafted or have to join the military by government order”

[–]mellainadiba21 points22 points  (5 children) | Copy

Check out feminist response in Norway:

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Lets take one issues affecting men and specifcally see what feminism (organisations not just random individuals) had to say about it. I have direct statements and policies from the feminisnt organisations. See below.

So Norway has forced male only conscription:

  1. the ultimate form of slaverly, where men, regardless of their moral background or personality are forced to learn how to kill or face prison.
  2. This is one of the biggest manifestations of gynocynetsicm in society and of course proof that the hypothesis of patriarchy is as robust as modern flat earth theory. Yes men create systems to benefit men by getting men to do all the dangerous and hard things (93% of work deaths, and here the milatry)
  3. Many countries need conscription as voluntary private armies are too expensive for the nation. So it is needed. Of course the feminists know this and only want men to do it. Feminists when questioned often pay lip service, and say "yeah we support no draft, but if there is a draft women should do it too", as they know it won’t happen….. erm until it does. Norway passes both gender conscrtiption. Lets see what feminists flip flopped when shit it did happen:

Firstly one party voted against it in parliment. Many of Noways feminists organisations (NKF, IAW, WILPF) were viciously against it

Here is the feminists OFFICIAL STATEMENT LOL:

“The Norwegian Association for Women’s Rights (NKF) considers female conscription as a misunderstanding of the concept of gender equality and the intentions of the Law on Equality.

TRANSLATION: DON’T DISTURB OUR FEMALE PRIVILEGE. WE LIKE GYNOCENTRISCM JUST FINE THANKS.

GIVE US PUSSY PASS

“Gender equality implies first and foremost that women and men should have the same human rights and fundamental freedoms. Women should be valued and allocated power and resources on equal terms with men. But women and men do not have to be alike or do the same things to be equal."

TRANSLATION: DON’T DISTURB OUR FEMALE PRIVILEGE. WE LIKE GYNOCENTRISCM JUST FINE THANKS

GIVE US PUSSY PASS

Feminists wait what are you arguing for here with that statement? Are you saying that is why women should be stay at home moms, and not pursue careers in STEM, finance, politics??

“To ensure gender equality it is important in many cases that women and men are treated equally. But they should not necessarily be treated equally in all situations.”

TRANSLATION: DON’T DISTURB OUR FEMALE PRIVILEGE. WE LIKE GYNOCENTRISCM JUST FINE THANKS

GIVE US PUSSY PASS

“In some cases, the underprivileged gender must be favoured to be able obtain similar results.”

TRANSLATION: DON’T DISTURB OUR FEMALE PRIVILEGE. WE LIKE GYNOCENTRISCM JUST FINE THANKS

GIVE US PUSSY PASS

“Actual differences between the lives of women and men must be taken into account. “

What are you saying feminists? Women shouldn’t do STEM? Why would you say that? They should stay at home and rear children?

GIVE US PUSSY PASS

TRANSLATION: DON’T DISTURB OUR FEMALE PRIVILEGE. WE LIKE GYNOCENTRISCM JUST FINE THANKS

“Women make an important contribution to society by becoming pregnant, giving birth and breast-feeding.”

GIVE US PUSSY PASS

WTF? Femniists have literally spent generations shaming motherhood and downgrading its status. I thought this baby stuff is crappy low value work, and women need to get into the work force and be 70% of teh CEOs etc.

TRANSLATION: DON’T DISTURB OUR FEMALE PRIVILEGE. WE LIKE GYNOCENTRISCM JUST FINE THANKS

“Problems related to conscription must be resolved on their own terms, not by bringing in a new, hitherto outsider group.”

HAHAH yeah men need to solve this problem. Yep. Women should stay home feminists??

TRANSLATION: DON’T DISTURB OUR FEMALE PRIVILEGE. WE LIKE GYNOCENTRISCM JUST FINE THANKS

“women are not supposed to change the strictly hierarchical organization of the military, which is characterized by absolute obedience on the grounds, that the soldiers should learn to defend themselves, use violence and, if necessary, kill.“

LOL WTF so men alone are though? How dare you say women should not be in parliment

TRANSLATION: DON’T DISTURB OUR FEMALE PRIVILEGE. WE LIKE GYNOCENTRISCM JUST FINE THANKS

“Female Newcomers are integrated into the system and the prevailing culture…”

Errmm like men are?

and women are particularly exposed in such a male dominated organization.”

Ermm so women should not want to enter STEM etc according to feminisist?

“Over the past decades, women’s roles have changed significantly more than men’s. Thus values and practices that have traditionally characterized men’s roles, have been strengthened, while values and practices that women traditionally have taken care of, have been weakened. In the current situation, however, the challenge is to strengthen women’s power and influence and promote better care practices and values such as equal status.”

LMAO it was aliterally feminists who shamed motherhood, and demonised women who care for children. Now you want it?

So women joined the coscription... but guess what they still arent 50 percent and are favoruably treated!! LMAO

[–]Verbalicedtea4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

I cannot even fathom the hypocrisy here. This is so wrong. I do believe men should be the ones to go to war as they are better suited physically and mentally than women(for war) but seriously now this is not right, forcing men into war. Now let's start implementing a policy that women cannot leave the house and that they must just cook and clean. If you wanna go back to the old days we can fucking do it. Equility is a 2 way streak. They can't take all the rights and disguise it as equality, you can't have your cake and eat it. I don't want to go back to the old days I'm just making a point lols

[–]Razorbladekandyfan[S] 7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

In Norway they have a gender neutral draft since 2015. So thats not valid anymore.

[–]mellainadiba5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

EXACTLY the whole point was how much they viciously opposed it (see official STATEMENTS and POSITIONS in above post) once they realised it was coming. Prior to that feminists all say, ohh gee draft conscription so bad lets get rid of it, if we have it lets make it gender neutral.... OHHH SHEEEET, no no no, your doing that errmmm scrap that... err patriarchy. mansplaining, patriarchy, sexist air-conditioning aahhh.. LOL read the lines in their statement, its hilarious. They also voted against it

BTW its not gender neutral in reality in Norway as women are still getting p**y pass, fewer women than men still do it, they are given easier treatment. Israel is also cited, once again not actually gender neutral as men do an extra year, and once again women getting the p88y pass.... this same sexism is why women aren't taken as seriously as leaders... so sexism does work both ways, it benefits and harms you.

[–]RyansPutter1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's like Animal Farm. Some people are more equal than others, in their eyes.

[–]joker380 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

“Women make an important contribution to society by becoming pregnant, giving birth and breast-feeding.”

We excuse you while you're pregnant and while you care for the newborn. That's all! No more stamping men down.

[–]gusttuu6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

I'm sorry on behalf of us finns. We should know better

[–]Razorbladekandyfan[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm glad some finns know that this is discriminatory. Make sure you bring it up with friends this issue.
Thanks for commenting.

[–]PeonSupreme5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy

This proves that feminism is even more regressive than ancient societies. In those societies, only men were conscripted as well, but they were rewarded with educational opportunities and other means of social advancement. Under the feminist regime, men get all the burdens and none of the benefits of bearing them, while women get all the benefits and none of the burdens. I wonder how long men will stand for this.

[–]MRA-automatron-2kb3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

while women get all the benefits and none of the burdens.

I wonder how long men will stand for this.

I can't stand this on a daily basis.

[–]mellainadiba2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

This is what one person said and I didn't verify it. I think it was Austria, men are actually specifically not allowed to use their conscription to advantage them in the work place over females. So training acquired cannot enhance CV, courses done don't count etc

[–]PeonSupreme2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I wonder when the level of outrage over those sorts of measures will reach a critical mass, and what the nature of the response will be (i.e., direct action or perhaps the establishment of some sort of parallel, alternative societal structure to relieve men’s suffering).

[–]mellainadiba3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

And of course feminists have tried to regulate mens bodies. Thats why the invented mansplaining, man spreading etc:

Feminist are literally trying to ban men from peeing standing up:

Feminists are trying to ban men from peeing standing up in multiple countries and even teaching this rubbish in schools. LOL what? And BTW, they do realise women semi stand up/hover too right? I guess that would be fine even though it is extremely messy with pee all over the floor.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/10555436/Im-taking-a-stand-against-peeing-sitting-down.html

Are feminists actually salty that men can pee standing up? And no it isnt going to work. Once you pee standing up you aint going back.

[–]mellainadiba4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

And of course feminists have tried to regulate mens bodies. Thats why the invented mansplaining, man spreading etc:

Feminist are literally trying to ban men from peeing standing up:

Feminists are trying to ban men from peeing standing up in multiple countries and even teaching this rubbish in schools. LOL what? And BTW, they do realise women semi stand up/hover too right? I guess that would be fine even though it is extremely messy with pee all over the floor.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/10555436/Im-taking-a-stand-against-peeing-sitting-down.html

Are feminists actually salty that men can pee standing up? And no it isnt going to work. Once you pee standing up you aint going back.

[–]Mytriptorussia2018[🍰] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Same in Russia.

[–]averydankperson1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Is this your channel?

[–]Razorbladekandyfan[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Its not my channel. I just like the video.

[–]OneTrueLordOfReddit1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

On a brighter side even they know how incompetent and useless they are on the battlefield.

[–]DarkLaplander0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I support conscription, but I'm all for making it mandatory for both gender.

[–]Razorbladekandyfan[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Good luck including women in it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

who cares

[–][deleted]  (23 children) | Copy

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[–]mellainadiba5 points6 points  (20 children) | Copy

Its not draft, its conscription. It FORCES men for 2 years approx to join the milatry and pay is around 7 euros a day and they go to jail if they say no (and they actually do! its not suspended sentences for serious crimes e.g. burglary, this they actually send to jail) WTF?? I don't know hw stupid someone has to be to think that is not regulating your body? In fact it is the ultimate form of slavery. You are literally training people (well men alone) to kill and compelling them to kill regardless of their morality or personality

[–]Verbalicedtea3 points4 points  (7 children) | Copy

Exactly they don't give a fuck about what the men will suffer afterwards such as ptsd and the worse part is they will probably continue mistreating men even though they fought to protect their country, risked their lives so the women can go get their nails done in peace so children can be safe. So what are men now just something to use and fuck over afterwards.

[–]MRA-automatron-2kb3 points4 points  (6 children) | Copy

I've helped women throughout my life but they now decided I'm a misogynist so all the work I did to help women was worthless.

I hope younger men learn not to help women, as they will always hate men no matter how much we help them.

[–]Verbalicedtea3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

Here in southafrica I can say that a lot of the women are good to men. The retarded women are the ones that go to uni, lol I know sounds counter intuitive but uni teaches that joke of a subject called gender studies.

[–]Verbalicedtea2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm lowkey joking not all women at uni are retarded just the ones taking gender studies and learning that cool science fiction gender studies lol

[–]MRA-automatron-2kb2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

You are lucky men. I agree on your point about university.

[–]mellainadiba1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Dude calm down, feminists are the problem not women. Not even slightly. In fact a lot of women care a hell of a lot more about men then the other way round. And feminism isn't really even pro woman, its pro-feminist and anti-anything not feminism. Feminism has done women massive harm (and a plenty of good too). Part of why feminism exists is because it is an industry - female journalists, authors, media, university - they are doing their stuff to further feminism, not even to further women. Women are the fodder, and men too of course.

Women in antifeminism are best allies. Karen Straughan, Cassie Jaye, Elizabeth Hobson, Sydney Watson. Go on Twitter, Lisa Britton the author is literally posting MRA and pro mens original content every 2 hours I am not kidding. Fucking love her.

[–]vetzxi1 point2 points  (11 children) | Copy

In this case it's not what it looks like. This is how it always has been done and is now part of our culture and pride. Usually people serve only for 9 months. Women are very much encouraged to join.

[–]mellainadiba2 points3 points  (10 children) | Copy

women are encouraged to join LMAO. Yes and men are COMPELLED TO. And they only started to get women in when feminists realised that there were advantages to joining the army, so is great for women who want to pursue that!!

[–]vetzxi0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy

They have been talking about getting women in to the calligns for years years now.

[–]mellainadiba1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy

Talking.

Feminist have been talking about banning men from standing up to pee... doesn't mean they're going to do it. Although they did try (brainwashing young boys in schools, putting signs up) TBH you sound like either a feminist or if your a man, a man who would actually go along with this.

The only time they actually campaigned hard is in Norway when they tried to BLOCK it

[–]mellainadiba1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy

Not sure what callings is

[–]vetzxi0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

Calligns are basically the place every citizen go if they need or want to go to the army. There they are checked if they are fit for the job and basically told where to go to actually get to the army.

[–]mellainadiba1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

Is there an easy way out of the army, you could fake? p.s. typo feminists trying to stop men from peeing standing up

[–]vetzxi0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Generally faking to get out of army is not a good idea because you can get into legal problems. But it's actually pretty hard to be called. You must be able bodied so no massively obese people and disabled. Too mental health and health. So basically no diabetics, no people with heart problems, usually bad asthma can get you out and cancer. Mental problems are usually not sent home but still no people with szizophrenia, no people with massive anxiety but deppressed people are usually sent in (there is free therapy in army)

[–]vetzxi0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

And also remembered men don't even have to serve in the army. As we say: they can go massage the elderlys feet for couple of months.

[–]vetzxi0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

What does this even mean? Yes feminists suck but this whole posts problem has nothing to do with feminism more our fucking culture and don't fucking dare to disrespect it. Im a stunch antifeminist but this post is bs and all of you are talking about nothing.

They talking means the goverment the feminist goverment and all the old ones.

[–]Axleonder5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

It's regulating men's bodies.

[–]vetzxi-2 points-1 points  (12 children) | Copy

This for once this is not true. The feminist goverment is new and the conscription of men is as old as time. It's part of our culture. Yes it needs more women but this is not what it seems like.

[–]mellainadiba5 points6 points  (9 children) | Copy

Watch the video, yet they spend their time on trying to create a gender neutral pronoun but don't address the issue that men alone are conscripted. And look at Norway, of course it is a feminists problem. Norway feminists viciously attacked the idea of gender neutral conscription with the stupidest agreements you can think of... when they realised it would happen... when feminists think it won't happen they love the lip service, yea yea lets get rid of conscription but make it gender neutral if does have to exists.

[–]vetzxi0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy

It is a gender neutral proun and has always been. None of this is because of the new goverment. The conscription is part if our culture and will not go anywhere. There will not be universal conscription for women just like there has never been. If this is what the video tells you it's not telling the truth. It's not fun seeing your community debating such a stupid things.

[–]mellainadiba1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy

Why do women not do a period of civil service? Its a no brainer. Thats my main question. They don't need the milatry. Even teach them nursing skills then if you're so keen on gender roles?

How much do men get paid for doing this? If they are keeping it, why are they not doing things to make it easier for men to study, apply to university, or subsiding their housing or something? Why are their female only scholarships and bursaries when women outnumber men hugely in Finland? Your countries gender equality claims are literally a joke. They are currentlyg giving out female only loans to businesses as females startups aren't 40% yer. Wonder at what percentage will they start helping men to get into university? 20 men%?

It is contributing to men not going to university as much as females. Simple feminist hypocrisy. Pussy pass, female privelage. Rights not responsibilities.

[–]vetzxi0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

Why do women not do a period of civil service? Its a no brainer. Thats my main question. They don't need the milatry. Even teach them nursing skills then if you're so keen on gender roles?

This is being discussed and has been discussed since my birth.

How much do men get paid for doing this? If they

Military pays about 7e a day for everyone. All their needs are covered by the military.

Your countries gender equality claims are literally a joke.

The first country to give women voting rights? Yes the education system is biased but it's still one of the most equal countries ever.

[–]mellainadiba1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

"This is being discussed and has been discussed since my birth."

This is hilarious. It is being discussed? Yeah we are also discussing building a graphene ladder to the moon. It aint happening. So it is not a gender neutral country in the least.

So what is stopping it form happening? Even next year?

7 euros? Is that a joke? Why not pay what maternity pay is? Do they pay rent for your house if you have a place? or lost wages if you have a job?

The first country to give women voting rights? Yes the education system is biased but it's still one of the most equal countries ever.

Greece was the first democracy? How is the country remotely gender equal if men die earlier, suicide more, conscript and go to unveristuy at half the rate of women? Ahhh cos the only metrics are female ones. Again not a gender neutral county, and actually quite a backward one

[–]vetzxi0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

So what is stopping it form happening? Even next year?

Our culture. It has always been like this. It's a tradition. Boys will wait to get to army from the time of being a kid just like people fantasize getting married. This has always been like this. This was like this before feminism was a thing. And discussing I mean planning. They are still actively in goverment and the whole country talking about it.

7 euros? Is that a joke? Why not pay what maternity pay is? Do they pay rent for your house if you have a place? or lost wages if you have a job?

They pay your house. They supply your medicines. You can't legally fire someone when they are in army. They literalky tell you that worrt about nothing more than going through this training. EVERYTHING IS DONE FOR YOU. Many people say that they have never been so happy as in army. There is free fucking therapy.

[–]mellainadiba1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Thanks I want to hear different opinions. So if I had a house, now I am conscripted, they would pay my entire rent while I am away and I won't lose my house?

Did you do it? Is it fun/bad/good/useful/boring?

[–]vetzxi0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Haven't yet served but im waiting. Yes they pay your rent and paternity fees and basically everything.

[–]mellainadiba0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Its out culture? LOL imagine saying it is in our American culture to pay women less, and to have less female leaders, and less women in STEM so no need to change... lo and behold women don't actually want to go to STEM as you "egalitarian" countries prove.

[–]vetzxi0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

No you just don't understand patriotism or culture. You sound as stupid as Americans. The people famous for destroying cultures and not themselfs having one.

[–]mellainadiba1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Also you would know being a Finn, I can imagine there would be many men that would love conxriciption and the culture behind it, there will also be many who are pressured into liking it, or too afraid to say anything bad... kind of like how everyone just drinks in university but so many people aren't into drinking culture.... then those that don't like it

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

who cares

[–]mellainadiba0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Obviously feminists who are actively trying to control mens bodies and make sure this is a male only phenomena.... great example of feminists trying to control mens bodies for that stupid rebuttal men make laws on womens bodies.

Also makes it Finland d a none gender equal or whatever they want to call it country by far... and its run by feminists... so good example of feminism doing squat all for equality .

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

We need a civil war, it is the only fix this but too many men would fight against us.

[–]young_finn-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy

Its not just this goverment. Some form of conscription has been in effect since the civil war and you can join the civil service instead of the military.

[–]Razorbladekandyfan[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Women should also at least do some sort of civil service. They are not above men.

[–]young_finn0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I agree (or stop conscription all together) just saying its not only the current goverment

[–]Razorbladekandyfan[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Well of course, that goes without saying. But they are somehow not tackling *that* gender inequality are they. So thats the point of the video.



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